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wheat jay
Dmg > utility
ivory granite
what melee Damage has the best utillity
wheat jay
what melee Damage has the best utillity
Survi
scarlet flame
what melee Damage has the best utillity
feral druid
mild thunder
what melee Damage has the best utillity
blood dk
scarlet flame
sub rogue
mild thunder
mage
scarlet flame
prot paladin
ivory granite
deadass what melee spec has the best utillity
mild thunder
deadass what melee spec has the best utillity
dude we've all answered your 10 fucking question a billion times over this week
take the answers and stop
ffs
scarlet flame
ive been playing bg3 for like 2 weeks and haven't said a word here
ivory granite
nah im gettin trolled
river walrus
these "buffs" to warrior complete joke lol
mild thunder
this guy is genuinely what i imagine the average moistcritical viewer to be
wheat jay
nah im gettin trolled
Best utility, survi
scarlet flame
these "buffs" to warrior complete joke lol
the fury buffs are good
wheat jay
Done
river walrus
execute on fury is so bad
scarlet flame
no its pretty good
mild thunder
no it's not lol
fallen estuary
ignore tanda and chad theyre legit trolling at this point
ivory granite
Best utility, survi
how so tho
fallen estuary
warlocks in disguise
wheat jay
how so tho
Go to wowhead, check skills, talents, pvp talents, and you'll know
ivory granite
aigh
wheat jay
Easiest way
mild thunder
best utility? survi
best race? orc
best spec? fury
best mum? @teal hedge
scarlet flame
warlocks in disguise
i have 5 level 70s 3 melee 1 rdruid and 1 ele sham
wheat jay
Fam you sound like a rogue
scarlet flame
idk i like fighting warlocks on my melee
fallen estuary
wheat jay
Did you pass the bench check?
mild thunder
lil bro sounds like a retard
scarlet flame
warlocks fun cause they can't run like mages
mild thunder
scarlet flame
i got a fat nut just for your mum galachad
mild thunder
i got a fat nut just for your mum galachad
D:
scarlet flame
mild thunder
friendly fire
scarlet flame
mild thunder
violet fossil
how about them
scarlet flame
violet fossil
LOCK BUFFS
scarlet flame
the lock buffs are alright
mild thunder
turn-based 
scarlet flame
idk if demonbolt is even used
scarlet flame
turn-based <:deadge:900279927138578432>
its really fun
scarlet flame
im almost at the end but the game ends when you complete it
delicate parrot
scarlet flame
so ive been putting it off cause i like my character
fallen estuary
Fam you sound like a rogue
mild thunder
okay but
fallen estuary
scarlet flame
imagine being a ret-reroller
fallen estuary
bro i use him to fly up and die for pics i use in photoshop lmao
scarlet flame
sure blud
fallen estuary
ironic his names tupac but it is what it is
mild thunder
sureeeeeeeeee
scarlet flame
actual warlock main accusing others of being a warlock main
wheat jay
Okay so you're a lock
scarlet flame
ret-reroller talking like he gets to have an opinion on anything
wheat jay
Confirmed
mild thunder
he plays demo
delicate parrot
mild thunder
fallen estuary
LMAO yea so i rerolled ret cause it was a free set ngl i did do that
fallen estuary
jealousy singes hard in your words
mild thunder
🤓
scarlet flame
whats there to be jealous of
fallen estuary
me
scarlet flame
this guy im jealous of
wheat jay
Now, shuffle or 3s?
mild thunder
3s
scarlet flame
hes 1628 in 3s
wheat jay
No no, him
scarlet flame
slate gale
did i pick a bad time to not main ww
ivory granite
what melee class/spec has the highest damage
scarlet flame
did i pick a bad time to not main ww
yeah
wheat jay
Shuffle rating detected, opinion rejected
scarlet flame
ww is the best
mild thunder
ww is the best
fallen estuary
did i pick a bad time to not main ww
ww is 10x better than warrior LMAO
mild thunder
Shuffle rating detected, opinion rejected
valid and true
ivory granite
ww is 10x better than warrior LMAO
ret or ww
scarlet flame
you use cds and if the other team doesn't respect it they die
slate gale
ww is the best
i left ww pre buffs to broaden my horizons and this is what i wake to
fallen estuary
rets a caster but ww is a melee so yea ww
mild thunder
you're gonna suck at both, who cares
scarlet flame
this is the best because you know this guy rages in SS
fallen estuary
LMao im rent free
scarlet flame
i left ww pre buffs to broaden my horizons and this is what i wake to
WW is in a good spot
scarlet flame
LMao im rent free
im going to forget you exist in 35 minutes when i look away from discord and go back to playing bg3
fallen estuary
i post my toons and all you warlocks do is slobber over it
scarlet flame
lmao
fallen estuary
damn i feel special
ivory granite
ww is the 2nd highest dps in the fuckin game rn. arcane mage is even more insane
fallen estuary
you can thank bluray for that
scarlet flame
the only place and time you feel special is when people on the internet give you the attention your family doesn't give you cause you're a recluse retard irl
stfu bro
delicate parrot
ivory granite
my cock and balls are rotating'
scarlet flame
my cock and balls are rotating'
wtf
fallen estuary
the only place and time you feel special is when people on the internet give you...
projecting
scarlet flame
whatever words your therapist tells you to feel better buddy
wheat jay
Aight its boring now
scarlet flame
im sure you're paying them good money
wheat jay
Cya gnight
ivory granite
dk or ret what does more dps
scarlet flame
dk and ret do the exact same amount of damage
ivory granite
really?
fallen estuary
LMAO all you do is (say something counter to whats beint talked about) and you and chad kiss and tell eachother love stories and then you go ahead and say that about someone else and add in they are a retard LMAO
scarlet flame
yes
ivory granite
which is more tanky
scarlet flame
they are exactly the same amount of tanky
ivory granite
utillity
scarlet flame
believe it or not exactly the same
ivory granite
dk or ww who does more dam
scarlet flame
they also do the exact same damage
ivory granite
cap
slate gale
real talk bros is ww the low iq spec? its the only spec i can play naturally
ivory granite
ww is easy as fuck
scarlet flame
and its not arcane
fiery lily
So about the arms do we take that as a nerf or buff lol
fallen estuary
dont let tanda gaslight you hes just dumb as fuck. ww is the lowest of the low in iq
ivory granite
So about the arms do we take that as a nerf or buff lol
nerf its totally the most op spec
fallen estuary
last thing you want is a caster telling you whats good and not good
scarlet flame
So about the arms do we take that as a nerf or buff lol
its a buff to all of your damage outside of CS and avatar
fallen estuary
WW has some of the most busted damage available atm
flexible CC and move ment
20x better than warrior and also free DBTS every 20 sec
mild thunder
real talk bros is ww the low iq spec? its the only spec i can play naturally
it's pretty easy now because of how strong it is, but it's still not at warrior-level easy
pressing buttons in order is more than arms has to do right now
scarlet flame
there is more thought put into ww button presses than arms
scarlet flame
buff to fury yeah
fallen estuary
its a nerf
lyric violet
😢
slate gale
if were going to be honest i had a harder time with arms buttons because i thought they all were poo poo
scarlet flame
if were going to be honest i had a harder time with arms buttons because i thoug...
well arms all you wana do is hit ms on CD
so all you're doing is hitting buttons to make MS reset to press it more
the order doesn't matter at all you just hit ms and op to reset ms
slate gale
well arms all you wana do is hit ms on CD
i figured that out eventually but that mind fd me cause i realized the damage was that bad
lyric violet
imagine they gave us a bladestorm talent that made us parry everything during it
like fof
it wouldnt be as good but would be pretty dope js
scarlet flame
i figured that out eventually but that mind fd me cause i realized the damage wa...
damage with uptime is honestly not bad on arms
scarlet flame
i mean yeah the whole spec is designed around uptime
glass orchid
fof does more damage than our buffed bladesotrm
scarlet flame
yeah frost mage is dogshit into hunters
lyric violet
ik im just teasing you
fallen estuary
classes counter other classes cause they do 20x more damage than you, yea welcome to wow balance
scarlet flame
well if frost mage did a third of its damage it would still beat any warrior because of how the class is designed
unique fox
These arms changes look like trash to me, am I wrong?
fallen estuary
yea but with like 80% of its toolkit applying 70% slows and roots it makes it really unfair to play against as a warrior since you need atleast a pala with you to get a hit off
scarlet flame
you are not wrong
scarlet flame
yea but with like 80% of its toolkit applying 70% slows and roots it makes it re...
see thats where you're wrong
the mage just steals freedom
fallen estuary
yea fuck this game
scarlet flame
just play fury
the first time you crit some guy for 200k with onslaught you'll never look back
unique fox
I have been but its kinda boring
unique fox
True enough
slate gale
except when its garbo again
actually whats the recent track record? any time i come back its poo poo
scarlet flame
well its damage didnt get touched before
the only change they made to make it good was giving its defensives a buff
it always had the damage it just died in 2 seconds
spice hornet
I have hit a 140kish onslaught on a mage currently
100kish executes, 70-80k MH, 30-40k OH
Can’t wait to slurp these buffs
slate gale
I legit wanted to main arms coming off ww lol
unique fox
Buffs lol
limber relic
Onslaught damage is increased by 35% in PvP (was 15%).
Execute (Fury) damage is increased by 40% in PvP (was 25%).
ill take it
unique fox
RB build was already feeling pretty ridiculous
vapid tartan
What the actual fuck
limber relic
but
Onslaught damage is increased by 35% in PvP (was 15%).
Execute (Fury) damage is increased by 40% in PvP (was 25%).
ill take it
onslaught crit for 100k+
add another 20%
np
unique fox
Sudden Death should hit decently hard now as well
limber relic
feels like everyone got buffed
but
hey
now i can 1shot ppl faster i guess
Chaos Bolt’s damage increased by 75% in PvP combat (was 60%).
Stormstrike’s damage is increased by 60% in PvP combat (was 45%).
Lava Burst damage is now increased by 12% in PvP combat.
Rapid Fire damage is increased by 40% in PvP (was 25%).
vapid tartan
I mean we ain’t the squishiest class so probs an overall benefit?
Are the hpal nerfs gonna be offset in pvp?
They didn’t say anything about that
limber relic
i mean, ive been playing death wish in 3s
critting onslaught for like 200k
+20%
tyvm
vapid tartan
i mean, ive been playing death wish in 3s
Bro aren’t u qing into top 100 players how you get away with that
limber relic
Bro aren’t u qing into top 100 players how you get away with that <:keks:9362316...
🤷♂️
vapid tartan
Guessing we might end up playing hurricane more
limber relic
tbh
arms is walking away with a 0=/=0
Cs nerf by 10%
MS buff by 15%
guess more dmg outside of CS
vapid tartan
Yeah thought cs or ava was one of the thingies that would receive a buff if anything
limber relic
ava did recieve a nerf too
spice hornet
I was hoping for mortal strike and execute damage buffs for arms that’s it
limber relic
5% nerf on ava
limber relic
but for fury thats nothing tbh
vapid tartan
Earlier in the season they said that they wanted to reduce “unpredictable” damage on arms right
limber relic
Earlier in the season they said that they wanted to reduce “unpredictable” damag...
lets face it, blizzard is smoking some good shit
like non of these nerfs make ANY sense
limber relic
kekw
vapid tartan
but these changes feel like they go against that idea? Like cs and ava are obvious as fuck and clearly signifies a big go is about to happen.Buffing ms just increases the power of a random crit?
Lol happy about fury getting random buffs tho
limber relic
Use bladestorm for burst bro!!
but then "deals reduced damage beyond 8 targets" and proceeds to add 548285315721 pets
Bs will stil hit like shit with all the pets in the game
vapid tartan
Shoulda gave arms the fury exe buff lul
vapid tartan
Fr
cosmic oar
hello what is the best spec for warrior pvp im backing now on wow but i knew rotations
mild thunder
They want arms to be a sustained bleed damage spec
most specs are sustain-based now
it's not just an arms thing
limber relic
hello what is the best spec for warrior pvp im backing now on wow but i knew rot...
go fury
they are buffing fury
limber relic
that would've been a 210k
vapid tartan
man, i literally hit 177k onslaught in 3s today. sure i had death wish
Yeah, after the initial buffs it felt very nice
120k was pretty common
Never ran death wish tho
limber relic
have talents somewhere?
should be pinned? im not sure sadly
limber relic
cosmic oar
ty ❤️
limber relic
also ashen juggernaut and massacre can be swapped out too for whatever
but
since execute is gna get buffed i think itll be good
vapid tartan
Probs don’t run deathwish unless ur healer is cool w it
frank knoll
I hit a 125k onslaught in shuffle today and I’m in honor blues besides one of my 2hs
limber relic
i mean im hitting like 90k onslaught with 0 cds
frank knoll
It was on a frost DK
frank knoll
Btw I see you @steep inlet
limber relic
Btw I see you <@143764641649131520>
so smol
frank knoll
i mean im hitting like 90k onslaught with 0 cds
I had an augvoker on my team and I think he did something to me that made me hit a 125k onslaught, usually I hit like 80ish k
limber relic
I had an augvoker on my team and I think he did something to me that made me hit...
yeah
had that aswell
but i think i even crit for like 140k with an aug evoker
slap a 20% modifier on that
frank knoll
Is the 20% thing in effect yet?
limber relic
wednesday
limber relic
😄
limber relic
lol
limber relic
xd
it does
no worries ❤️
i did like 150k dps with deathwish today
was
funny af
XDD
fallen estuary
@sharp meteor bruh kennie went from 1780 to 1923 with 3 lobbies 5-6 and 6-6 for 2
zaaaaaaamn haste builds insane for prot
sharp meteor
ivory granite
feral druid or ret pally what does more DPS
fallen estuary
root speccing a melee lobbie makes everyone fucking go berserk
the monk was always caught mid roll in a root LMAO
fallen estuary
unhinged is nerfed by 60% as well
lone thistle
with spear ofc
fallen estuary
no its nerfed baseline
ivory granite
spear was also nerfed
fallen estuary
without spear
lean night
Oh I knew Dab would be in here.
lean night
Yeap I wanted to see what everyone was saying about Arms ‘buffs’
fallen estuary
it is u
oh were calling eachother idiots nothing to really see
but yea arms is dead now
thanks bluray
vapid tartan
What the cringe
fallen estuary
blizzards new name is bluray btw
lean night
I don’t think it’s dead, I just think we gunna have to stack haste to get fatal marks and pop people with them while going double storm for hurricane.
Its basically gunna be consistent damage till poo
Pop*
fallen estuary
thats bad when WW can just 1tap you out of seren
lean night
But I think if they want to do that, they should just rework arms back to 7.3 legion tbqh.
lean night
I wish I could play Legion Arms with df utilities would be so much more satisfying
limber relic
im playing fury and enjoying it
fallen estuary
try prot
limber relic
and waiting for the fury buff on wednesday
fallen estuary
100% better than both specs
glass orchid
I’m a ww main now
fallen estuary
its insanely hard to pin down howto play but it feels SOOO rewarding
slate gale
😢
fallen estuary
😠
they need to give us bfa s4 horde transmogs for the glad set
it legit perfectly matches the set
limber relic
they need to stop smoking that good shit
lean night
I just want legion arms back
lean night
Csmash resets execute hitting hard so good man
fallen estuary
they need to stop smoking that good shit
that cali crack they love smoking so much they cant put it down. pipes law is once you huff you never pipe down
limber relic
that cali crack they love smoking so much they cant put it down. pipes law is on...
i want whatever they smoking ngl
fallen estuary
just pitch a tent next to blizzard HQ and beg for change till they hire you ez
limber relic
they be hallicinating big time
fallen estuary
theyll make you head game designer
ivory granite
fucking shitty fury buffs on wednesday 😄
pally gets ANOTHER BUFF
wwait im looking at the wrong patch notes
can someone send me wednesday patch notes pweese\
candid citrus
ok im reading all these comments and the term "cracked" is being used. is "cracked" good or bad?
candid citrus
im being serious, when you say soemnthing is cracked as in the damage of blah blah blah is that good or bad?
fallen estuary
candid citrus
still no plain answer.
ivory granite
dh is getting fucked this tuesday
fallen estuary
i aint no plumber
ivory granite
Warrior
Avatar increases damage by 15% in PvP (was 20%).
Arms
Bladestorm damage is increased by 20% in PvP.
Mortal Strike damage is increased by 25% in PvP (was 10%).
Warbreaker and Colossus Smash increase damage taken by the target by 20% in PvP (was 30%).
Fury
Onslaught damage is increased by 35% in PvP (was 15%).
Execute (Fury) damage is increased by 40% in PvP (was 25%).
fallen estuary
0 prot buffs
candid citrus
you know dab its no wonder people were hating on you for hours. i ask a simple question and BS spews from your keyboard
fallen estuary
dawg you could legit just type it in google and it tells you it RIGHT THERE
they can hate for all the hours of the day
glass orchid
Isn’t dh getting buffed
candid citrus
i understand how websters is using it but i dotn know if you are using it the same way. THAT IS WHAT IM ASKING
slate gale
out of everything why doesnt dh just have a 1 sec gcd?
fallen estuary
candid citrus
so when you say "damage from something is cracked" are u saying its good or bad?
slate gale
like rogues were cosplaying for years
thick reef
out of everything why doesnt dh just have a 1 sec gcd?
Because as the SMF chads we used to be, they get nice things
candid citrus
like saying something is "busted" it could mean its so great it needs a nerf or its so bad it needs fixing how the hell are you using the term is what im asking
candid citrus
but how are u using the word lol
candid citrus
dcamn dude you cant even answeer a simple question without all your emogi bs tenor crap. is cracked being used as something that is broken good or broken bad? answer that simpel fawking question
fallen estuary
you should see me on the forums
candid citrus
fawk you on your forums and u still arent answering the question LOL
r u incapable of giving a straight answeer?
fallen estuary
candid citrus
fawking dopehead u literally are too stupid to talk to.
unique fox
post your prot war spec
candid citrus
that crackhead dope cant even answer a simpel question. i wouldnt expect anything legit from him about talents
unique fox
Yeah that looks about the same as what I picked minus Ravager
candid citrus
u arent worth a damned 1 star. when you cant even answer a simple question
fallen estuary
ravager is HUGE
but you gotta use it when you have em slowed or in your reach
it chases them but its so fuckn slow
its insane in melee stacked lobbies
ivory granite
ravager is good?
unique fox
How often do people shit on you for queing prot war?
ivory granite
whats the best tank in pvp rn
ivory granite
i dont think thats a tank.
unique fox
it basically is
glass orchid
It might not be classified as a tank but it functionally is
fallen estuary
dawg they shit on me 24/7 and proceed to go 0-6
ravager is selective in its op-ness
this was with a monk that bitched out and died in like 10 seconds after gate
6 hits btw on target
glass orchid
Are prots considered healer still in shuffle
fallen estuary
fallen estuary
Are prots considered healer still in shuffle
prots like the only spec that can somewhat catch mages but only barely
going root spec freaks mages out alot so they tend to waste their blinks like dumbasses
ivory granite
prot pally or prot warr whats better in pvp ;-;
fallen estuary
prot war, prot pally is just dead in the bracket
fallen estuary
brewmaster is the best tank
ivory granite
really?
fallen estuary
ong fr if you fought one you would punch a hole in your screen
luckily they are very few, as rare as prot warriors
ivory granite
but with prot u can spam ignore pain
fallen estuary
yea
ignore pain is the reason why people dont hard target prot
prot lacks most in damage but picks up with the defense and bolstering of your ally
and you keeping them alive
Demo shout - disarm - shockwave - intervene
fallen estuary
its a game of keeping the unlucky bastard alive
ivory granite
can you run tank healer and DPS in 3s?
fallen estuary
haste and somewhat a mix of crit and mastery
you could in 3s but it would be the same outcome of SS
you gotta keep 1 dude alive and thats that hardest part
ivory granite
but u can legit hold off the entire team
ivory granite
can u run tank-healer in 2s?
fallen estuary
yea
ivory granite
wtf
fallen estuary
unwise i tried some as prot around 1971 and fell to like 1920
but those games went into MASSIVE damp
lavish quest
Not a single dev plays war in pvp
fallen estuary
like unreal damp
lavish quest
I swear
ivory granite
what stats do u stack as prot in pvp
ivory granite
so haste
fallen estuary
i would recommend keeping your crit somewhat above 10% so you can atleast give some pressure
mastery is what keeps your shield slams slamming
ivory granite
can you give me ur talent loadout?
i might deadass swap to prot for the lols
cs fury does some of the lowest dps in melee anyways same with arms
violet fossil
friend of mine went up against 2 blood dks and an hpal
ivory granite
oh thats queer.
violet fossil
what’s queer is a feral Druid having precog to just get cyclones off
fallen estuary
yea its 100% required
4 set is actually insane for prot
ive had it spammed with shield slam for around 50k per landslide
spice hornet
Do people still get pissed if they zone into a prot lobby
ivory granite
what should my offense macro be
fallen estuary
yes
you should see the rage when a prot warrior and prot pally get paired together
spice hornet
I remember doing that last season and people@would be like “30min queue for this shit”
fallen estuary
and 6-6 a lobby LMAO
dude i qued into a prot pally lobby as a prot warrior and it was the most hilarious shit imaginable
spice hornet
I can’t believe that’s possible
fallen estuary
full melee lobby and the dude i was paired with NEVER died, went 6-6 and had the dk call me a fucking asshole for queing as a tank spec and ruining his rating
violet fossil
a dk?
spice hornet
Gonna do some tank troll queues soon
ivory granite
what talents should i use as prot
violet fossil
Was it unholy?
fallen estuary
i usually rock bodyguard and opressor but you can change em out depending on the situation
yea it was unholy
ivory granite
what is prot rotation
fallen estuary
spam these two
lyric violet
press revenge?
ivory granite
whats talent build
fallen estuary
unless archimtiros wants to give me a full wowhead page and i can write a whole damn article on howto play this unholy ass spec
you press revenge when you arent being targeted
ivory granite
can you copy ur talent loadout 4 me pweese
fallen estuary
but ignore pain since bodyguards going to be taking in some damage
fallen estuary
can you copy ur talent loadout 4 me pweese
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spamming thunderclap is the BIGGEST prior
since it refreshes demo shout which is kinda like your smash
but it can be used defensively
ivory granite
why funder cwap
fallen estuary
you ALWAYS keep the demo shout talent in pvp talents
ivory granite
is prot op in 3s
fallen estuary
thats to NEVER be changed or you are 100% guarenteed to be hardstuck 200mmr
never tried
fallen estuary
just use your burst when their defensives is down
when you go in and just start slamming them theyll pop cds
perf when defensives are down and healers suppressed you will burst
fallen estuary
avatar first then roar. you want as much damage exhaled onto them
then shield charge after demo shout
Last stand into shield slam spam
and tclap spam for faster demo shout
tclap does 50% mor edamage as avatars active
ivory granite
oh dang
fucking hell prot does a bunch of damage
mediocre as hell but its good in pvp
for sure
fallen estuary
you rely 100% on your teammate to pull the punches
your damage is mostly to force those defensives
fallen estuary
but your teammate usually does that first so thats why i recommend you do it after defensives
if you can get it to crit
ivory granite
whats pvp tals
fallen estuary
the 10% + crit is for your dots
as your dots will rot away your enemies worse than a feral druid
ivory granite
so rend is good?
fallen estuary
its not about generating rage
its about protecting your allies
the rage stuffs just for pumping ignores or revenges but its always going to be rage with shield slams
ivory granite
when do i use ravager
fallen estuary
burst window as prot on dummy
either when they are clumped together or in your burst window BUT use it when they cant move or severely snared
it chases them yes but at a snails pace
ivory granite
so thunder cwap then shred em?
fallen estuary
you spam tclap regardless before or after you just gotta keep up deep wounds and rend
revenge is for spreadding DW mostly
i gots to sleeps n stuff
but remember
its going to be a HUGE differance playing prot than fury or arms
ivory granite
shouldnt i use Sonic Boom?
fallen estuary
its about your team mate
ivory granite
gotcha.
ivory granite
haste or mastery
tulip sable
nerfing colussus and avatar while only giving small bumps to ms and bladestorm feels bad
didnt feel like things were all that bursty in the first place
ivory granite
arms is shit now
tulip sable
i mean it wasnt anything crazy as it was
ivory granite
beyond
lean night
sonic boom?
You should have it talented lol
It crits for 90-150k
And it’s guaranteed why wouldn’t you talent it?
fallen estuary
Rlly
lean night
nerfing colussus and avatar while only giving small bumps to ms and bladestorm f...
They need to just rework the arms tree tbqh.
fallen estuary
Gonna try it tomorro
lean night
wb and avatar nerfed to shit <:keks:936231610850897992>
such a strange change
sharp meteor
Are prots considered healer still in shuffle
No, just Protection Paladins.
Non-Paladins are slotted in as dps with a limit of 1.
sharp meteor
i should just push glad as prot fuck it
Uhhh, I think it might actually be decent with like Windwalker if auggie comps fall off a bit. Big concern is probably mage/lock, splay, etc.
ww/unh + prot/pres seems gooood into cleaves.
Them just nerfing Smash and Avatar I don't know. Maybe it'll be fine but those really weren't the changes I was expecting for Arms.
lean night
Them just nerfing Smash and Avatar <:keks:936231610850897992> I don't know. Mayb...
They're like
so out of touch and it shows
unique fox
The PVP dev has a clear vendetta against arms for what happened in Shadowlands
What do you think they main, warlock? Rogue perhaps?
lean night
I was just asking some of the pve warriors if they like current arms or would want to go back to csmash resets like legion; they chose the latter
sharp meteor
so out of touch and it shows
I'll need to actually try the changes but I feel like Arms is just super...underwhelming? Damage profile likely won't be threatening, so you have okay sustained damage in a meta where there's a lot of threatening stuff.
lean night
Tbh, I just think Arms needs a complete rework like ret got
sharp meteor
It's like back to Cosmic where Arms falls behind in the Arms race of damage.
And just kind of exists being low-mid tier.
Ehhhh.
lean night
it needs to go back to Legion style where csmash and have titanic might
sharp meteor
I don't know where the spec goes from here, yeah.
mild thunder
idk why people dont bring up Battlelord more as a major culprit... kinda hard to balance mortal strike around being a hard-hitting ability when we can spam it for 7 straight globals
the spec is too efficient, and they've had to nerf the numbers to compensate
sharp meteor
I just can't, man. I'll back to back execute a mage for like 100k on prot.
sharp meteor
idk why people dont bring up Battlelord more as a major culprit... kinda hard to...
Yeah, true.
It felt nice. Too nice, maybe.
So now Arms is doomed to just back and forth between Overpower/MS and they gut the numbers so they both do nothing because the interaction was too strong.
lean night
I just can't, man. <:keks:936231610850897992> I'll back to back execute a mage ...
This is so fucking backwards lmfao
mild thunder
it affects the rotation too... no matter how good of a button slam/rend is, as long as we can permanently fuel our rotation via ms/op spam, we will
lean night
idk why people dont bring up Battlelord more as a major culprit... kinda hard to...
Less worried about that than just not being able to finish a damn match
because execute
sharp meteor
This is so fucking backwards lmfao
Here's Brew.
mild thunder
whole spec needs to be nuked and rebuilt
lean night
doesnt hit for shit
lean night
whole spec needs to be nuked and rebuilt
agreed
sharp meteor
Just gonna press Tiger Palm and pretend it's Mortal Strike.
sharp meteor
because execute
Oh, yeah, juggernaut and sudden death.
Now execute itself can't hit hard.
Feelsbad.
mild thunder
because execute
and yea imo the major problem with execute is that spamming 1 button <35% on a boss is super boring, so they spread execute power over a ton of talents... EP, AJ, fatality etc. and now execute on its own is weak
i understand the reasoning in terms of raid, but it's a negative for pvp
fallen estuary
Man prots just the go-to spec now. I legit feel i have WAY more control of a match than arms
sharp meteor
Man prots just the go-to spec now. I legit feel i have WAY more control of a mat...
You can sort of trash physical lobbies.
fallen estuary
They wont focus me thats the problem lmfao. They can easily win if they either split dps or focus the tank
sharp meteor
My last lobby had a Mistweaver say he doesn't heal tanks and I said that's fine, and he ended up playing all the rounds out normally and I went 4-2.
Just came to peace with potentially going 0-6
dreamy moat
what site are you guys seeing any pvp changes
the only one I can find was aug 16 hotfixes
sharp meteor
what site are you guys seeing any pvp changes
dreamy moat
ty
fallen estuary
Yea most ppl cant play with tanks so their egos just kill em
sharp meteor
I haven't really had much pullback or negativity in my lobbies.
fallen estuary
"Man fuck you tank km way better than u" proceeds to go 0-6 lmfao
dreamy moat
is that all they fucking want for arms
fuck your burst dmg cunt, put bleeds and do nothing else for the rest of the game
sharp meteor
fallen estuary
I make fun of them all match cause i know theyre gonna lose
mild thunder
are we just bleed bots
idk why people are saying this... arms doesnt do a majority of its dmg through bleeds and they arent buffing bleeds
sharp meteor
idk why people are saying this... arms doesnt do a majority of its dmg through b...
No kill pressure.
You just kind of do pve damage until you lose. Or something.
mild thunder
yea but that's not an issue of us being a bleed spec
mild thunder
it's just a lack of ms modifiers, but ms/op are still most of our dmg
sharp meteor
Once you break that duelist threshold I swear games get easier.
1900-2000 is like nomans land
mild thunder
i just wanna pve, but somehow they've actually fucked m+ up even harder than pvp this season
sharp meteor
i just wanna pve, but somehow they've actually fucked m+ up even harder than pvp...
They just fixed keys, no?
dreamy moat
1900-2000 is like nomans land
1928 down to 1814 today
it's just ww one after another
lean night
and yea imo the major problem with execute is that spamming 1 button <35% on a b...
idk man, i was just talking to the pvers up in arms channel
they dont like it either apparently
sharp meteor
they dont like it either apparently
Good thing we're prot gamers now. 
mild thunder
this is exactly what i said the issue with augvoker was going to be... it buffs some specs more than others, those specs become meta, instead of addressing augvoker they nerf the spec that gets buffed by augvoker
fire mage in m+ without augvoker isn't bad, but it defs doesnt need nerfs
candid citrus
so you are either prot or not?
mild thunder
esp since it needs hardcore pull catering
waiting for 11.0 when they give up and turn aug into a traditional dps
sharp meteor
so you are either prot or not?
I have dabbled in it a bit.
dreamy moat
these fucking combinations I get in shuffle
ret pal and ww
who the fuck do i cc on burst when it's the same fucking time
candid citrus
sticking with the two great big two handers but gl with the shield and the one hander 🙂 any way to beat a monk these days?
candid citrus
nice. maybe ill equip/change spec when i see a monk
mild thunder
idk, if a ww is getting consistently globaled they're probably just bad
the spec doesnt die to burst dmg
karma, dampen, FoF and port all deal with burst incredibly easily
candid citrus
karma is the one that gets me
mild thunder
You can break most of their fists.
cap, FoF is like a 10s CD
sharp meteor
Shield Charge, then of course fear.
candid citrus
cockslap?
sharp meteor
You've got all your buttons to reduce cleave damage
mild thunder
pre sure shield charge and cockwave both get parried, no?
sharp meteor
then you give teammate 40% wall all game
DEpends on partners/healers and skill level but in general
prot feels good into ww
at least in shuff context
sharp meteor
mm gonna be the king of shuffle on reset
Eh, maybe.
Still probs gets ran over in melee lobbies.
sharp meteor
I don't know about that.
lean night
nah prot gets steamrolled by casters.
sharp meteor
Yeah, it does.
lean night
vs melee though you're a happy shield man
sharp meteor
I actually don't mind locks and shadow to an extent
Can't cope with mages usually though
mooners/aug also scuffo
lean night
I haven't q'd prot in a little bit think I did a shuffle last weekend when i was 10 beers deep lmao
mild thunder
I don't know about that.
idk literally everyone i know that plays multiple specs/based on my experience, it's never fun to be the odd one out in a lobby full of all-melee/all-casters
because you know you're gonna get trained and you know it's not gonna be fun
sharp meteor
I haven't q'd prot in a little bit think I did a shuffle last weekend when i was...
Just feels like you win the coinflip or you don't
my mood in shambles when I see the light blue class in my lobbies
they break my bg/vene and don't do damage then die and I can't protect team from them
slate gale
Whats the dif between heroic leap and monk port
mild thunder
i mean
one is a leap
one is a port
...
are you looking for a specific difference?
slate gale
im thinking theyre the same thing
sharp meteor
Whats the dif between heroic leap and monk port
Port doesn't require line, and you can take it back.
It's also usable while stunned if talented.
mild thunder
It's also usable while stunned if talented.
only on mw
slate gale
so what youre saying is that war is one heroic leap away from being monk
sharp meteor
WW certainly looking appealing right now.
mild thunder
like Fox said, port doesnt require LoS, you can double-port but it requires planning and is pretty easy to outplay
just drag a monk away from port or fight them on it
bam, you've canceled their best defensive
open glacier
Wtf are those PvP hotfixes, even less burst?
dense herald
Guys
We got a nerf
Sadge
Or well atleast in burst windows
Like
Mortal strike will now do same dmg as it did in burst windows but other abilities will not
dreamy moat
I'm so over it
Is ww the go-to solo shuffle class for at least 2100?
in terms of melee
bc I've never played a caster in pvp and would like to avoid it
teal hedge
best utility? survi
best race? orc
best spec? fury
best mum? <@21509505611202560...
This can't keep happening
teal hedge
What's a "gear update"?
steep inlet
Eso <3
hot solstice
Why can’t arms be this
wdym? arms is exactly that dude with an axe
sage raptor
https://tenor.com/view/eso-high-isle-elder-scrolls-online-gif-25911110
He pressed die by the sword
green anchor
Give Arms a 15% base parry chance and make it deflect spells too
(also a ''Nemesis'' passive, +20% damage to Mages)
magic wing
Yeah some buffs some nerfs
steep inlet
Fury looks really strong rn
fallen solar
That bladestorm buff is key
Imma have to get back on my lock too with those buffs
And my main hunter got some mor unnecessary buffs but I’m not complaining
mild thunder
overall an arms nerf
it's defs not a nerf overall
the extra sustained dmg is good, and the burst will only see a small hit
you kill outside of CDs a lot in current meta
undone pumice
-15% dmg on overpower and exe during burst isnt minor imo
mild thunder
-15% dmg on overpower and exe during burst isnt minor imo
it's also a pretty big mortal strike buff to compensate
and again, a lot of kills happen outside of burst atm... usually major burst CDs are just to bait defensives atm and then kill after
the swing away from burst to sustained dmg is pretty standard for every spec rn
regal swan
Fury pvp annihilator or No?
hot solstice
the swing away from burst to sustained dmg is pretty standard for every spec rn
It’s only 13,5% on mortal. Not eve 15. It’s already 110% in pvp
Just remember how much last 10% buff changed situation
mild thunder
Just remember how much last 10% buff changed situation
that's how specs become good a lot of the time... cumulative buffs over a period of time
if anyone's sitting and waiting for the magical midseason 100% arms buff, it isnt coming
hot solstice
“buffs”
mild thunder
we lucked out in s1 with a midseason rework, it's not happening again until 11.0 at the earliest
mild thunder
and in SL people asked for mortal strike to do good dmg on its own without needing modifiers
players will always ask for what they dont have
scarlet flame
i dont really care whats doing it
ms damage needs to be more than 80k crits, op shouldn't be doing as much as damage in breakdown as MS, bladestorm damage doesn't matter when 99% of the time you are using it to stay on someone, if you dont want us to have burst make us harder to kite
if we had 1 charge and leap was half range priests still couldn't get us off them so who gives a shit about them not being able to get away
mild thunder
ms damage needs to be more than 80k crits, op shouldn't be doing as much as dama...
none of these changes are gonna happen midseason
that's the reality
scarlet flame
yeah im not sayin they will or should
mild thunder
those are changes that need to happen on either a seasonal release or an xpac release
scarlet flame
im just saying either do something that matters or do nothing at all
last round, not these ones, were honestly pretty good
demo chaos bolts already hitting for 180k and they get buffs with no other tuning but arms gotta buff MS 7 times and line up all CDS to do the same damage with their iconic class ability
yeah its not the same cause ms can be reset 800 times in a row
except every class got instant casts that do more damage than MS they can also spam
mild thunder
except every class got instant casts that do more damage than MS they can also s...
i mean, this just isnt true but yea you're getting to the real point which is that under current design mortal strike really cant be a BIG ONESHOT ability
scarlet flame
dk and monk both have abilities that do ms damage or more that they can spam or reset
dcoil literally hits 130k
mild thunder
uhdk doesnt do dmg in the same way that arms does
scarlet flame
rsk does get reset with bok, it doesn't reset itself and its not as often as ms
mild thunder
and yea, classes that are designed to be glass cannons - like ww - do more dmg than arms
we shouldnt do ww dmg
instead we have insane team utility and are tankier
mild thunder
rsk does get reset with bok, it doesn't reset itself and its not as often as ms
yea ik how it works, it's not as often as ms
scarlet flame
but its close enough and does 80% more damage
mild thunder
if we want ms to be rsk 2.0 then they would have to remove martial prowess and EP altogether and half the ms resets
which would be fine by me
but i doubt most people would like that
scarlet flame
well if ms went from being literally OP but blue i would like that too
and i dont even care if they want to take away all our burst all together and make us just a glorified dot class with sustained damage
make it harder for us to get peeled off
the class feels like total dogshit 70% of the time when you're just trying to connect
mild thunder
i'd love for arms to go back to being a slower, CD-rotation spec where mortal strike actually has a cooldown and we have stuff to do/setup between ms hits
but that's too much brainpower for the average arms main now
scarlet flame
i dont even care about that tbh
frank knoll
Fury mains rise up 
scarlet flame
it just feel like total dogshit for your class to be sustainted damage and be cucked by basically half the other classes in the game
because they all do damage from range and we dont
scarlet flame
dk ret and surv can literally just kite us while still doing damage
frank knoll
Also MS was hitting people for half of their HP early season one and it got nerfed :/ because people cried about it
mild thunder
idk this is my hot take but right now i think of arms as the BM of melee - it's all well and good for it to be strong, but to justify it being better it needs to be more complex
scarlet flame
rogue and WW the only melee that have to be up with us to fight us and WW wins those
mild thunder
2 button, made-for-retard specs shouldnt be S tier
mild thunder
Also MS was hitting people for half of their HP early season one and it got nerf...
it got nerfed because arms was OP
and if you dont think arms s1 was OP you're on that medical-grade copium
frank knoll
It was OP when we got ignore pain back yeah
mild thunder
i was hitting 210k mortal strikes on plate-wearers
frank knoll
I’m fine with my class/spec being OP
mild thunder
280k executes with fatality
scarlet flame
dont want the class to be super op ret broken op
id just like for it to feel pretty good playing the class with how they design it
frank knoll
Why it’s fun
scarlet flame
because then you get cucked
frank knoll
Sometimes yeah
Unpopular opinion, I think frost mage is OP rn
scarlet flame
atm warrior just omega cucked by anything that can kite it easily, which is basically every class but like 4
mild thunder
Sometimes yeah
Unpopular opinion, I think frost mage is OP rn
omg, so brave
daring to say that in a warrior discord
bravo
👏
scarlet flame
and i dont think thats an unpopular opinion anywhere
i think the only people who dont care about mages are hunters cause they 2 hit them
mild thunder
i dont think anyone likes frost being meta because it's not even a fun spec to play
it's the fury warr of the mage world
scarlet flame
you know what i love the most about frost mage
mild thunder
it's only good when it's got some retard-mode gimmick to oneshot
scarlet flame
ring of FIRE is their second highest damage ability
frank knoll
I think it’s fun to play, now that you don’t spam frost bolt
mild thunder
I think it’s fun to play, now that you don’t spam frost bolt
you spam ice lance and ray instead?
wowowow
scarlet flame
warbringer did 80k crits and got nerfed by 65%
mild thunder
run around
ice lance
ray
win
scarlet flame
ring of fire does 15% of your total damage as a mage and its not touched at all
frank knoll
Arcane is actually more fun to play and takes skill
It’s fun if you like being annoying I mean
Last time I played arcane u kinda had to set up your damage instead of just unga bunga shatter ice Lance
mild thunder
i think arms mains would have a better time getting valuable changes if there were more consistency in what people asked for... but it genuinely does feel like people just want the spec to be giga SS tier with infinite mobility, 1shot burst, unkillable and all the utility
ngl idgaf about arms dmg, im fine with it being a mid/decent sustained dmg spec that's tanky and has a ton of team utility because that's what always made it fun
being the anti-rogue
not oneshotting rogues
if i want that, i can play ww or something
scarlet flame
not really anti-rogue anymore considering sub is 1 shotting anyone and everyone
and the other 2 specs are dogshit
i also dont give a shit if the damage is trash as long as you can't just ignore me all game because you can kite me forever
mild thunder
idk arms utility is still pretty good into rogue, but yea we have lost a fair bit from SL-now
but that's because we were oneshotting people while being unkillable
scarlet flame
arms feels really good when people aren't kiting you because every class in the game has ranged damage
frank knoll
i think arms mains would have a better time getting valuable changes if there we...
Deep down everyone wants that with their spec
scarlet flame
if i wanted arenas to be like bgs id just play bgs
frank knoll
You have x amount of time to play the game, why waste it not being broken Op
mild thunder
idk i definitely see it more in the arms community
i dont see sv hunters or ferals mald like these people do
scarlet flame
half the people malding in here are just trolls
mild thunder
cap, people just pretend to troll because if they try and give a real opinion people will realise how retarded they actually are
scarlet flame
see people in the dk discord malding about shit all the time too, the monk mains were mad it was fotm
still is fotm ig
frank knoll
Real talk I kinda liked when Arms was a bleed spec with some burst damage
frank knoll
Ehh frost DKs have it rough rn
scarlet flame
bleeds are great until you dont get to keep uptime on them
frank knoll
Queued into 2 last night, both times they went like 1/5 in shuffle
Frost just melts like paper
scarlet flame
dks in general melt like paper
mild thunder
uhdk does not melt like paper except into hardcore phys dmg like warr
shit's cringe af as survival
scarlet flame
well it would be weird if iw as talking about them dying to mages in a warrior discord
and considering i play warrior and WW they die pretty easily to me
mild thunder
scarlet flame
yes in general to the people of the warrior discord all dks will die quickly
mild thunder
i wouldnt say "dks in general" if i actually meant "dks in this particular scenario"
fickle forge
i think arms mains would have a better time getting valuable changes if there we...
I just want arms to hit fat numbers, be durable and have mediocre mobility and utility, it doesn't need to be god tier, as long as I get the class design of an actual gigs Chad juggernaut