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frank knoll
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Zug zug

mild thunder
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both are incredibly easy tbf

frank knoll
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UH had alot of pet management last time I tried it

fickle forge
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Arms

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: )

mild thunder
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there's always going to be some degree of min-maxing for pet specs, but i dont think it's particularly mandatory for uhdk

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it's not like they lose a core defensive if their pet gets cc'd

charred onyx
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i usually dont follow the awc but i wish i had followed this one, i didnt realize cdews team had reached the finals and won. i thought they were kinda chilling after winning in bfa

sharp meteor
mild thunder
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someone ping me when taurine drops his novel

sage raptor
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He gave up

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No he didnt

mild thunder
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nah he back

wheat jay
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what did taurine do?

mild thunder
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he was pausing... he's like a discord george martin

sage raptor
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Type for an hour

mild thunder
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watch it be like one line of the most incoherent sentence you've ever read

sage raptor
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"I liek cheese :)"

mild thunder
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Feta cheese is so goated tho ong

sage raptor
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Is that the crumbly cheese?

mild thunder
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Yea the Greek one

north thicket
sage raptor
mild thunder
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Was hoping for a really dumb take to make fun for a while

charred onyx
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ive been drinking i can give you a dumb take if you want

mild thunder
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You don’t have to be drinking for that

charred onyx
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probably

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mhm

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no matter which rogue spec it is

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its always a good spec but is only considered bad because its compared to a different more op rogue spec

frank knoll
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Yeah that’s the same with warrior @charred onyx “always too OP with too much damage and mobility” -Mage discord probably

charred onyx
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dont mages counter warrior

fallen solar
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Yes

charred onyx
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feel like that would be the spirest or the warlock discord

wheat jay
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not rly, unless they're very good at kiting

fallen solar
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Frost mages

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Fire are east

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Easy

wheat jay
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fire easy

fallen solar
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Frost mages are annoying to deal with on warrior

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In arena sure you can fight with them

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But in world pvp good luck

charred onyx
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i guess mages would hate warriors though, i personally target low geared mages in bgs out of spite from facing frost mages in arenas

fallen solar
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Mages hate hunter

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I specifically target them on my hunter

wheat jay
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hunters hate warriors

fickle forge
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No they don't

fallen solar
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Every class got a counter and etc

wheat jay
frank knoll
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Mages always cry about warrior

wheat jay
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who else?

frank knoll
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And hunter moreso

fallen solar
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Honestly. I keep concussive shot on warrior and it’s gg

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Traps

fickle forge
fallen solar
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Disengage

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Traps

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Concussive

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They can’t touch you

wheat jay
charred onyx
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spriests i dont think ive ever lost a fight to an spriest solo

undone pumice
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galanze

fickle forge
wheat jay
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Galagish

wheat jay
frank knoll
fickle forge
wheat jay
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sub rogue kinda skill matchup

fallen solar
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As a hunter main. Any melee is tough but it’s manageable

wheat jay
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at least for survi

fickle forge
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Ye cause surv hunter has no losing 2s matchups

fallen solar
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Caster are easy to deal with

wheat jay
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no idea about other specs keks

fickle forge
wheat jay
charred onyx
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mage is like the only caster that can properly kite a warrior, boomkins can too i guess

fallen solar
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I play survival too and in 2s it’s a gg every game

fickle forge
wheat jay
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even in shadowlands sub was the hardest matchup for survi

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pure skill

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warrior is just annoying to play against

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infinite charges, kills my pets with sweeping etc

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sub i just gotta play well against

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warrior is just zug zug

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games against warriors are basically 2v1

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its me and my healer versus warrior's healer

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warr is just dps bot that's always on someone

charred onyx
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i wish we still had the ability to reflect spells on teamates

frank knoll
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We used too

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SL season one PvP talent but they removed it because Xaryu and Venruki cried about it

fickle forge
wheat jay
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excuse me

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2

fickle forge
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When we were Condoom charging

wheat jay
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and 3

fickle forge
wheat jay
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condoom was dumbest shit xD

charred onyx
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only way to make warrior less zug zug is to give more things to do besides zug

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so for now we zug

frank knoll
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I miss it, condoom looked cool

charred onyx
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you stil lget condemns animation if you use massacre

frank knoll
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Nice

frank knoll
charred onyx
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ya i dont mind the zug zug but sometimes it feels like warriors get blamed for their class being zug zug lol

frank knoll
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Yeah like if i wanted to play 500 iq big brain high skill cap I’d play sub rogue or survival or something

west mural
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let fury be zug but not arms

charred onyx
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i mean warrior in general has been a more simple class since release of wow

fickle forge
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Arms has had moments of complexity

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Been more CD and utility oriented

charred onyx
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ya back when every class had everyone elses utilities

fickle forge
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Or just early SL

charred onyx
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thats a bit of a stretch. arms was not a complex class in sl

fickle forge
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It was early

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But they nuked a ton of utility

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Overwatch ma babe I miss you

frank knoll
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Yeah thank Xaryu and Venruki for that

charred onyx
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fury had that reflect talent too

frank knoll
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And Supatease and all of the other streamers that cried about it

fickle forge
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Was lit to put reflect on my healer so he could cast Rep and tank the DK kick

frank knoll
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We still had the mass reflect legendary but not the same lol

charred onyx
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i didnt play in cata or wrath so may be wrong but MoP was probably the closest thing to a complex arms spec and it was still easier than most other specs

frank knoll
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Cause you had to give up a damage leggo
I’d only play it into like RMP

fickle forge
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Was only really worth into hunter comps

charred onyx
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anything before wrath, warrior was definitely a zug zug

fickle forge
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But arms didn't really have a lego until they buffed EB

frank knoll
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I remember using exploiter and unhinged early on in SL

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Then battlelord and EB

cunning hill
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Hey, I recently got my warrior geared in some honor gear, and now looking at these embellishment items; like the sporecloak. I'm just not really sure whats the best strat to get it crafted? Personal or public work order? Do I need a ton of gold for paying or tipping? Sorry for the stupid questions, but I recently hit 70 and haven't played in a long while so still learning.

undone pumice
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personal orders can guarantee good crafts

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public orders a bit of a gamble but for me have sofar also been good crafts

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afaik crqfting gear for pvp just gears u faster

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most things u can just get conquest gear i think

cunning hill
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Cool, thanks for the response. I will just give it a shot then, and see what happens. Gearing does seem quite smooth so far which is real nice.

ancient sonnet
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Are there any stat breakpoints for Fury or is it just stack as much Mastery as possible?

undone pumice
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technically after 30% u get diminsihing returns but its not meaningful

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and afaik there are NO breakpoints necessary

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mastery goated and for pcs u cant get mastery i think haste good crit seems turbo cringe

fickle forge
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Idk why Blizz added the breakpoints, we haven't even been close to breaking them since their addition

undone pumice
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30% u can hit somewhat easily if u gem for it

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but also like so little difference

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only way i think u can even scratch those super stupid breakpoibts is if u fully gem one stat, class buffs it + trinkets and enchants all going into a single stat

ancient sonnet
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Were the scale warden pieces just used until conquest was uncapped? Like why wouldn't you use crafted pieces for those slots instead. 30% vers isn't hard to get by any means

sharp meteor
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I think the only people using the bloody token pieces think the 2pc works in arena.

violet fossil
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gives mastery instead of haste

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haven’t gotten the crafted braces tho

ancient sonnet
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But why use those over crafting ones that are higher ilvl?

violet fossil
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only a matter of 3 ilvls lol

ancient sonnet
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Right but still. Could use engineering bracers that were just double stacked Mastery too

violet fossil
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that only gives stamina no?

ancient sonnet
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oh do they? No idea tbh

violet fossil
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I’m not sure either lol

ancient sonnet
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I think you use the tier bracers anyway since they give Mastery/Haste

violet fossil
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you can

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I’m using the non tier cloak which is haste/mastery too

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as unholy anyway

ancient sonnet
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Rocking the sporecloak as fury. Feels pretty squishy but maybe just cause I'm a bit undergeared.

opal acorn
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Yo guys, how many ss rounds you think will take me to hit 1800 with uh? Is it free?

teal hedge
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Honestly? Not that many if you keep a good performance up.

ancient sonnet
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Yea if you win streak early you can get it in like 4 shuffles

opal acorn
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Really

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I went 2 6-0 and 2 5-1 early on monk but it took me 54 rounds

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I had 0 cr tho, don't know if that matters

violet fossil
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0cr 1800 mmr

ancient sonnet
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It's all about keeping the MMR up. Should start around 1800 for a fresh char. If you win big early, you'll get like 4-500 cr per shuffle

opal acorn
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Wow nice

ancient sonnet
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Went from 1100 to almost 1700cr in one shuffle. Goes real quick if you win early

shuffle.jpg
fallen solar
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Where would y’all like the next expansion to be? I’d like it to come back to eastern kingdoms and kalimdor

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Would be dope

frank knoll
river walrus
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I get so much nostalgia from leveling in the Tauren starting zone

undone pumice
fallen solar
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It would be awesome if that happened

undone pumice
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(me last season)

fallen solar
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World PvP is great because you can expose people

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Unless they are in a group

ancient sonnet
green anchor
ancient sonnet
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Hey I play warrior too!!

lyric violet
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whats the new fury build?

fallen estuary
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There is no new build

B1AjPVg_d.webp
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Also can we take the time to laugh at the monk discord thats filled with fist shaped holes in the wall anger addicts that is the only discord that needs a phone number to enter like lmao

north thicket
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Keep it up, man! Enjoyed your stream too so I am following from now on!
Watching twitch stuff quite rarely so your stream must be really good - entertaining play, clean UI, clean voice.
Let's get those MS and Executes tuned properly by the dev folks so we can get more of this! xan

frank knoll
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Gonna get on my Frost DK alt once I level it and see how hard I can push I shuffle. DK discord says it kinda sucks we will see

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I am doing a thing where I push weird specs nobody plays in shuffle
I wanna do frost DK and then maybe like affliction lock after

teal hedge
fallen estuary
teal hedge
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The ilk

mild thunder
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logged back onto my warr for a few minutes to show my friend the condemn animation bug

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why does every ability still hit for 20-50k

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😐

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arms has gotta be one of the worst-designed specs in the game in terms of rotation

teal hedge
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What do you mean

mild thunder
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guys, did you know other classes' abilities actually do different dmg to each other? wowowowow soyyyyy

teal hedge
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It's so streamlined even a monkey can play it

mild thunder
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mongoose bite alone is more complex than the entirety of arms

teal hedge
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Inshallah I get the job and I can return to this game

mild thunder
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alhamdullilah, pray for the job my friend and allah will grant it to you

teal hedge
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But the interview was really short though

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12 minutes 💀

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But the employer told me she'd contact me by the end of the week after interviewing the other interviewees to tell me if I got da job

mild thunder
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i mean, depending on the job that's pretty normal

teal hedge
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Yeah, it's a smaller restaurant

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Still, this WoW sore has been itching real bad

mild thunder
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oh like in a kitchen?

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bro i didnt even interview when i worked at a restaurant... i showed up, he asked me if i wanted to be a chef i said yea and then i started working

teal hedge
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Kitchen, register, cleaning

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The whole package

mild thunder
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noice

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get ready to wash dishes

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thats what i did for the first month... washed dishes and helped prep

teal hedge
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Fast food baybee

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No dishes

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It's an inner city fast food place and I told them I'd gladly take weekend nights (shifts where drunks come in)

mild thunder
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ah okay, cool

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yea if you say you'll work bad hours, they'll probably hire you

teal hedge
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Let's hope

mild thunder
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this gonna be you

teal hedge
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But I came in fresh as fuck

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Looking just like my man gus here

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New cut, collared shirt and da big pants

mild thunder
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nice! no such thing as overdressing for an interview

teal hedge
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But yeah, really been needing to unwind and I think wow pvp is just the thing

lavish quest
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Obviously

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lol

teal hedge
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You guys actually struggle with pvp?

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Lmao?

sharp meteor
fallen estuary
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Yea tomorrow im going to work on something special for this saturday special

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You might like it lmao

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Or if i get it done by friday itll be friday

lavish quest
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Ye man, struggling out here tryin to figure out how to evolve from duelist monke to elite monke 😂

fallen estuary
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Just wait for the mage nerfs and war buffs

mild thunder
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shuffle? press buttons harder
arena? wait for inflation

lavish quest
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Eh I mean in general, I've never got up that high, I tend to get duelist then struggle pushin up. Not pushing buttons hard enough I guess lol

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Now just in solo cuase damn finding decent 3s hard af

mild thunder
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elite soloQ and elite 3s are not in the same world

lavish quest
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I'm aware, but gotta start somewhere

mild thunder
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but yea if you're duelist in shuffle and a decent player, just play more... just gotta grind out the games

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the difference in "skill" isn't huge

fallen estuary
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Solo elite ngl is prob harder than 3s

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Unless you are a fotm class

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Mages 😠

lavish quest
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Never fotm, only warrior

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Me zug zug till the end

fallen estuary
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When i win caster lobbies no joke i jump up and down and scream like a fucking ape

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We monkey here

lavish quest
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I just rage because instead of raging due to dealing with their BS, I rage that players that shit are at my rating because how do you lose to a warrior? 😂

fallen estuary
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Patch 10.1.5 Hotfixes for August 16, 2023 - Time Rifts and Solo Shuffle

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Link didnt carry but who tf cares

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Blizzard fixing shamans when they need to fix the whole damn mode

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Real question is how can a caster at 2ks allow a warrior in a caster dominated lobby win

teal hedge
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Just kill the shamans, literally this easy

fallen estuary
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Ngl i should legit ss every shuffle i get. Its legit mage-druid-hunter or some other ranged class in the mix.

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Yo gala LMAO where do you get one of those discord warnings on your profile LOL i want one

teal hedge
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Huh?

fallen estuary
lavish quest
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I did notice it

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o.O

teal hedge
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What the hell

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I can't see that

fallen estuary
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Saying you are a terrorist LMAO

teal hedge
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???

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@mild thunder You see this?

fallen estuary
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How tf did you get that?

lavish quest
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I mean, homie did just say to kill the shamans LMAO

teal hedge
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I literally can't see it

fallen estuary
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Are you in the warlock discord by any chance

teal hedge
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No I only play arms

fallen estuary
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LOL

mild thunder
teal hedge
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That can't be it

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But it's so weird, why can't I see it???

lavish quest
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'fraid she's true cap'm

fallen estuary
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Dude do i got one of those on my pf

lavish quest
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Because why would discord tell you you're a terrorist? lol

fallen estuary
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LOL

lavish quest
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No you don't

fallen estuary
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Damn

teal hedge
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I haven't gotten any communication from them???

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No idea what might've caused this

lavish quest
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Again, because why would they tell you? lol

teal hedge
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I mean, I guess that makes sense

fallen estuary
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So survival hunters are a no-go for you

lavish quest
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"Hey yo, discord here, just wanted to say hi to isis 👋 Have a great day!"

teal hedge
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Of course they are, I only play arms

fallen estuary
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LMAO

teal hedge
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Still, I haven't done anything to deserve this, I don't think

lavish quest
teal hedge
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I'm gonna justify my flagging

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I jest

lavish quest
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Woah woah woah

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Slow down there cowboy

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At least do it in the mage discord

teal hedge
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True and real

fallen estuary
lavish quest
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😂

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I wish I were that effective as a warrior

teal hedge
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Not to brag, but I hit 1,8k last ssn 😔

lavish quest
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As a warrior, that's the same as a mage glad. They might be impressed ❓

teal hedge
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Arms was the strongest spec last season though

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Brutal out here

fallen estuary
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1800 as a warrior is gladiator rn

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2600 for mage is 1230

lavish quest
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If only that's how it worked

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Then I could get it

spice hornet
teal hedge
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@lavish quest are you nordic?

lavish quest
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I mean... I got scotish and irish in me. Lot of germanic eruopean

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So probs

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I'm 6'4" and hairy af, so might as well be

teal hedge
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So true and real

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But nordic guys aren't that tall

lavish quest
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Shit sucks, who the fuck wants back hair to start in their early/mid 20s?

teal hedge
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All of my buddies are like, 5'11 to 6'0

teal hedge
lavish quest
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I'd like to imagine vikings were tall.

teal hedge
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Still, I'm like a solid 4 inches taller than them

lavish quest
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At least a lot of em lol

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Who's raidin villages at 5'3" amirite?

teal hedge
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Viking were taller than the average englishman, yeah, but they were sorta short from a modern standard

lavish quest
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Well everyone is short when you talking past to now

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Humans have just been getting taller over history

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Probably because of women's selection in breeding lol

teal hedge
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Or dietary restrictions, y'know :P

lavish quest
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Our diets are shit now tho, so we'll see how it holds up

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At least in the US I guess, other parts of the world aren't as jank from waht I hear

teal hedge
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What

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Compared to mouldy bread and one (1) potato it's much better

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So much protein, so much to eat

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Makes people tall

lavish quest
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Yeah but mccyD's is shit compared to actual food lol

teal hedge
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Well, yeah

lavish quest
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Another SS, another mage...

teal hedge
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But in general we eat a LOT more nowadays

lavish quest
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Sigh

teal hedge
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SS moment

lavish quest
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Which is still bad

teal hedge
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No eating a lot is good

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Being able to hit 2,5k kcals to 3k kcals is great

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Makes you big and strong

fallen estuary
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Yiu gotta move around and lift a ton of stuff along with that intake or youll be fused into the chair. Cant grow muscles with that intake by just 3k with no xsize tho

teal hedge
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Of course you gotta lift

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And aim for good macros

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But that's also another reason why vikings were "bigger" they were one of the first in Europe to actually bulk

lavish quest
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Pretty sure venruki is in this match too

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Fun

teal hedge
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Öh fr?

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Oh yeah he is

fallen estuary
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Venrukki i remember 1tapping him with a bladestorm last season in 2.3ks

lavish quest
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Mages are fun

unique fox
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Feels so fucking trash fighting Hpals in 2s constantly

sage raptor
mild thunder
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Wtf is stormform

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Did they mean ironform

sage raptor
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stoneform

sage raptor
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idiot

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dumb ass

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dumb of ass

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you eat popcorn with a spoon dont you

dreamy moat
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getting 200g of protein a day is getting easier

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and in good routine for chest/back legs/core arms/shoulder workout split

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dwarf physique inc

thick reef
glass orchid
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does 20% haste or 30% haste feel better for arms?

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hurricane build

undone pumice
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bigger haste seems better with hurricane to make bladestorm take less time

glass orchid
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ugh dammit i need 2 different sets then

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one with full haste for arms one with full mastery for fury

spice hornet
glass orchid
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idk why but when i play fury i do awful dmg vs melee cleaves

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like truely awful

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so i like to have both and queue depending on the teams quing

mild thunder
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Biggest bait of your life

glass orchid
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i jsut copy laros

mild thunder
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Laros must have copied the local retard when he made that build

glass orchid
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it pumps damage though

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ineffective damage but

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it does pump

mild thunder
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Idk, a 6sec damage window every 1min is so incredibly mid it’s not even funny

glass orchid
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its pretty much every 30 seconds

mild thunder
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Ig in shuffle it’s okay because people have apparently cut off their fingers and can’t react

glass orchid
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lines up exactly with warbreaker

mild thunder
glass orchid
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gathering storms talent

mild thunder
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Shit talent deadge

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But yea ig for shuffle it’s playable

glass orchid
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well yeah im only able to play shuffle

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since nobody would play with me in 3s xd

mild thunder
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Idk I just don’t see how hurricane is good… ~4 globals every 30sec (apparently) buffed at only 15%

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And one of those global is always cs

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Another one to stun

glass orchid
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with the nerf to the 2x mortal strike talent i think its ok

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the movespeed really helps to run the casters down during your burst window

mild thunder
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15% movespeed? That’s a literal non-factor

glass orchid
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30% isnt it

mild thunder
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No

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Hurricane is nerfed by 50% in PvP

sharp meteor
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I thought only the str was nerfed.

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Maybe it's both.

mild thunder
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Now that you mention it, I’m pretty sure you’re right

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Someone already corrected me on this before and I was wrong

opal acorn
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So every build is a bad build on arms?

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I tried hurricane but on low elo ( 1850) ss and it was ok. Big damage after bs that people didn't expect

glass orchid
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running hurricane at 2300 atm feels ok

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like sometimes i can actually hit a mage or boomy

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because of how often im immune ot cc

dreamy moat
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I love not being able to peel because I can't cancel a hurricane bladestorm

glass orchid
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but then again my arms lobbies are so shit

spice hornet
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Arms is bad

glass orchid
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get a bad shuffle lobby and go 1-5 all the time

spice hornet
glass orchid
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Hapigirl is also using that build afaik

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not that hes as good as any of the other warriors

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but he does have like 5 chars sittiing in the top for shuffle scores

spice hornet
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Those builds just pad

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I had rio in one of my lobby he was arms I was fury he lost on dam every time

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When when bladestorming a death knight and his army of pets

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Even

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Arms single target is sooo bad

dreamy moat
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saying more haste feels better to finish a bladestorm quicker doesn't sit right with me
the whole point behind going haste is so your dots tick faster
so whether or not you want to try 20/30% haste/mastery is up to you for testing

glass orchid
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i guess the alternative is

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what do you run if you dont run hurricane

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the other talents feel awul too since its so nerfe

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d

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honestly though with the nerf to crit blzizard really didnt need to touch skullsplitter

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now arms just hits like a noodle after crit changes

mild thunder
mild thunder
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just based on the fact that arms is (unfortunately) about shitting out as many abilities as possible

dreamy moat
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aye, I tried to balance between haste/mastery but gave up

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full haste/vers build lmao

mild thunder
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all our crit synergy is nerfed into the ground and our mastery is okay but simply doesnt scale very impressively

dreamy moat
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yeah, and though it doesn't increase their dmg taken by us at least we still have rend

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while on the topic of arms though

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do you know the verdict on t30 for arms?

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if 2/4pc even worth it?

mild thunder
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imo 2pc is okay because you can make sure it doesnt really affect stats anyway

#

4pc is a joke

frank knoll
#

Yeah people are saying just go 2p for fury atleast

#

The buffed bloodbaths from the 4p don’t even really do much damage in PvP from what I’ve heard

silver raft
#

hey whats opener look like on fury?

tribal wedge
tribal wedge
silver raft
#

also what build should i run if im returning

#

I got the annihilator build but no raging blow feels strange

tribal wedge
#

raging blow build deal more damage, annihilator build provide more sustain, but it seems that every body swap on the RB build now

frank knoll
#

If I know I’m kill target I play bloodbath annihilator

lone thistle
#

is it dumb to go full mastery on arms with unhinged?

ancient sonnet
#

When playing raging blow build with 4pc, do you build up to 10 stacks of Merc Assault and then try to line up CDs for big dam? Or do you just pve rotation and send after 6 stacks?

tribal wedge
elfin surge
#

Mastery good, would want 15-20% haste tho

frank knoll
fickle berry
#

do i call my warrior babyfeet or tinyhands

#

quick

#

its a gnome obv

thick reef
#

babycream

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tinyhands tho

#

between those two

fickle berry
#

ait i think

#

Im grabbing Noreach

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cuz im gonna get kited into oblivion

ancient sonnet
opaque canyon
#

what's meta build for fury rn?

green anchor
#

The one in pins

opaque canyon
green anchor
#

All 3 should be viable

#

it comes down to preference

lyric violet
#

frost mage makes me want to uninstall and unsub

#

legit dont get to play

#

ive never had a more obnoxious time getting 2100

#

ive gotten to 2050-2070 like 3 times now

#

only to que and get a 3 caster lobby and get dumpstered

#

i wish they'd fix mmr so i wasnt in a lobby with the other 5 people on glad mounts at 2050cr

fallen estuary
#

Dawg thats legit me rn. Hit 2100 with non stop melee lobbies and now i hover 2k to 2080. Then get 4 in a row caster lobby

#

Caster metas really fucking annoying. When a ms hits for 30k and a frost lance hits for 70-100k per lance its absolutely busted

lyric violet
#

i cant hit 2100 Lol

#

all my lobbies are multiple ranged and i just get dumpstered lol

#

1 warrior in top 100 rn also 😢

#

for SS

#

also i feel like WW lobbies suck also idk what to do they have die by the sword on like a 20sec CD essentially

fallen estuary
#

Only way to usually win against ww is to hope your partner doesnt dr stuns. Every fists of fury you gotta sb it or shockwave. It somehow works for me but they still do 3x more damage than me when im going apeshit on them chunking them for 20% of their health per 4 overpowers

#

200k instant rising sun

#

Lmfao

teal hedge
#

Playing warrior sounds hellish from the sounds of it

lyric violet
#

lol yea i feel like arnold terminator as warrior and WW is the t-1000

#

they do everything i do but better 😢

fallen estuary
#

Cause it is

#

You legit die in roots no joke

#

1 root and its over

lyric violet
#

well its also how wow is designed

teal hedge
#

Can't possible be that bad

fallen estuary
#

EVEN IN THE AWC A WARRIOR DIED IN A ROOT LMFAOO

lyric violet
#

if you arent the "Best" spec

#

you're the worst spec

#

if that makes sense

fallen estuary
#

The only warrior LOL

teal hedge
#

Yeah I only play arms

lyric violet
teal hedge
#

IF you play fury you deserve the caster-lobbies

lyric violet
#

i dont negotiate with terrorists

#

sorry

teal hedge
#

Yeah someone showed me this yesterday

#

No idea where this is from

lyric violet
#

👀

teal hedge
#

I can't see it myself

lyric violet
#

you on csgo discords?

#

talking about planting certain b words?

teal hedge
#

Nah

#

I'

#

I'm only in a swedish discord

#

Besides this one

lyric violet
#

that's what a terrorist would say tho

#

isnt it?

teal hedge
#

I don't know what might've caused it

fallen estuary
#

LMAO

frank knoll
ancient sonnet
#

You can still get Battle Trance with Annihilator

frank knoll
#

Yeah but isn’t it not as good

elfin surge
lavish quest
#

Doing 2s as arms.
Letting Vlad the Impaler have his way with me would probably feel better

ivory granite
#

all the sudden my game started fuckin freezing for a good 8 seconds

#

why

teal hedge
#

How's your ram/cpu?

ivory granite
#

well all i know is i have a fucking 4k gaming PC that costed 2K dollars which i got on christmas

#

im stuck at 30 fps wtf

opal acorn
#

2k dollars for a 4k pc?? Sus

#

Did u undervolt ur gpu 🤭

#

Serious question tho, do u have 2 monitors?

#

If u are stuck on 30fps I bet its the 2 monitors. Ur pc is confused and think wow is on background which is perma 30fps

ivory granite
#

yeah i got 2 monitors

#

ur right

#

hold on lemme fix my settings

frank knoll
unique fox
#

also make sure your monitor has its frames unlocked because I didnt for like a year lol

ivory granite
#

lmfao now my game never freezes

#

anyways i have a deadass question

#

is arms burst shorter than furys? because the damage dropoff happens around 7 seconds

#

bcs warbreaker ends

#

10*

lone thistle
#

haste or mastery for arms..?

ivory granite
#

haste

#

versa>haste>mastery>crit

#

also just tested it yeah the dropoff for arms is way earlier than usual cs 10 second haste buff

#

but its cool

fallen estuary
#

Guys look at this spider i seen on my google news tab

1692032724_kovDEn.jpg
#

Damn things acrually standing up and not hovering along the ground

steep inlet
#

guys

#

do you know if we can take out the embelishment on this ?

#

i cant

fallen estuary
#

Thats ur bis boot lmao

steep inlet
#

No im prot

fallen estuary
#

Its bis for prot as well

steep inlet
#

Not at all

frank knoll
#

How do Prot warriors do damage in PvP, I’m hearing it’s decent now actually

steep inlet
#

:)

frank knoll
#

I tried some Bg Shenanigans
Avatar into Spear into shield charge, only hit for like 70k

steep inlet
#

my biggest shield charge is 160k in ranked

frank knoll
#

I’m also not fully geared yet maybe that’s why

#

Prot probably goes full crit yeah? I’m in mastery gear

fickle berry
#

is death wish legit meme or actually somewhat viable in fury warrior arenas?

frank knoll
#

I wouldn’t play it, people will see it on their weakaura and focus u

magic wing
#

If youre Bajheera or sum then its viable

#

Otherwise youll get popped

fickle berry
#

flark made a slam build wanted to fuck around with it

#

xd

#

idk if i follow a youtube guide or murlok.io statistics

sharp meteor
steep inlet
#

thx

sharp meteor
#

I kind of wanted to setup a warr with mastery/vers but I've just done haste on all mine, but I guess it's bis into lobbies you win anyways.

#

And mastery/vers good for the lobbies you don't win.

sharp meteor
#

Not too many alternatives aside from shadowflame, I think?

#

Mastery requires one stay over 90% so if you can do that then that might be bis for burst.

#

because 760 mastery sort of crekked.

steep inlet
#

i play double mastery yep

#

760

sharp meteor
#

Yeah if you can sort of snapshot that with all modifiers

#

probs 1-bang people from 60% with shockwave and shield charge

#

and big shield slam

steep inlet
#

=)

sharp meteor
#

I'm too much of a sucker for haste, tho.

steep inlet
#

yeah matter of taste

sharp meteor
steep inlet
#

👌

ivory granite
steep inlet
#

a prot

#

likeme

sharp meteor
fallen estuary
#

I know those goggles from somewhere

fallen estuary
#

Haste is insane for really quickly refreshing burst windows

sharp meteor
ivory granite
#

is cleave a good talent in arms

#

the attack cleave

elfin surge
fallen estuary
#

Zaaaaamnnn

sharp meteor
elfin surge
sterile grove
#

is it viable to get 2.1k as arms w/ another dps?

#

i just need this stupid transmog so i can be done

#

like it basically has to be ret pally or shaman right?

#

maybe monk

sharp meteor
#

Queued into fury/prot at like 2150ish last night

sterile grove
#

oh wow thats crazy

sharp meteor
#

I'd recommend just playing with a healer, though

sterile grove
#

protPala?

#

i take it

sharp meteor
#

Yer.

#

They ran out of gas in like 90 seconds.

sterile grove
#

yeah but the one guildie who wants to pvp is an enhance shaman main and he made/leveled/geared a completely new shaman just to get sparks and pvp

#

so i was like maybe i can make arms/enhance work

#

we're both pve players and are 8/9M which is not great but like we're good at our classes and at the game generally so maybe we can eek it out, just wanted to gauge general consensus opinion

sharp meteor
#

Turbo is good if you find a healer

sterile grove
#

yeah we have trouble finding consistent healers

elfin surge
sterile grove
#

lol what. i dont get it

sharp meteor
#

I never got any playing Blood in 2s

sterile grove
#

explain?

elfin surge
#

qing with a tank is a big no no in the pvp community

sterile grove
#

ah ok

elfin surge
#

its almost like cheating

sharp meteor
#

Uhhh, maybe. Not really.

sterile grove
#

i would never he was just saying

elfin surge
#

you will get a lot of shit

sharp meteor
#

It's really not that bad, lmao.

elfin surge
sterile grove
#

heh

#

ok i get it ty for the info lol

sharp meteor
#

I don't think people mind now that most tank specs are bordering on unplayability.

#

If they were decent I'm sure there'd be more frustration.

sterile grove
#

u guys dont know the pain of protPally/discPriest in wotlk

elfin surge
sterile grove
#

the games would just be giant slogs

#

thats photoshopped

#

and a total grind

#

until dampening kicked in, but it took like 10mins or whatever for dampening to do anything real in wrath

boreal stone
#

Mud bouta start a riot over a guy tryna get his illusion in 2s bruh

elfin surge
#

sup dude

boreal stone
#

mud

#

im washed

#

what do I do?

undone pumice
#

what

sterile grove
#

oh i was uhh kidding or whatever

undone pumice
#

how in the what the how

sharp meteor
elfin surge
boreal stone
#

im not THAT down bad

sterile grove
boreal stone
elfin surge
boreal stone
#

smh

elfin surge
#

oh little atake

boreal stone
#

oh little mud

elfin surge
#

when will you learn

undone pumice
elfin surge
boreal stone
#

ur 5 foot 8 puny little ww scum ass will never learn

sterile grove
#

lmao@ all these wow memes with TCG tabards

undone pumice
#

mud post shoe size

sharp meteor
sterile grove
#

idk why that shit is so funny

sharp meteor
#

TCG tabards looking a bit dated.

boreal stone
#

Mud is a real life gremlin

undone pumice
#

i wobde rwhy

boreal stone
#

built like a male undead

sterile grove
#

they were made in like 1988 or something

undone pumice
#

mud got size 6 US shoes

elfin surge
sharp meteor
#

Rip bung
\

#

rip mortalx

#

no more cord melties

boreal stone
#

every aug needs to apologize to bung rn

sharp meteor
elfin surge
#

stunandbad

sharp meteor
#

Prot Pala actually had its legs blown off.

boreal stone
#

Magnuz would put Mud in the mud if they ever 1v1d real talk. Mud is an ok warrior but he’s not on the level of Bageeraz or Swifty talking about TBC / wotlk days. I find it hilarious that all thse zoomers look up to the current top warriors but trust if these warriors were to play vs old school warriors like klinda, swifty, baggeeraz, etc no shot.

#

Baggeraz

elfin surge
sharp meteor
#

Need Arms buffs more than ever.

boreal stone
#

188k tigerpalm lmfao

#

thats gotta be a bug

sterile grove
#

since when could gnomes be monk

sharp meteor
boreal stone
#

at elast they buffed slam tho haha

sharp meteor
#

Brew just snaps people in half from 40% hp

#

If casters didn't exist it'd be really good right now.

elfin surge
sharp meteor
#

rip arms unplayable spec

sterile grove
#

whats that clip from?

boreal stone
#

its actually wild that i can actually hit numbers comparable to SL right now

#

and we're in the fuckign second goddamn patch

sterile grove
#

SL numbers were smaller wym?

sharp meteor
boreal stone
#

could get 75k mortal strikes and 90k executes with necro banner in season 4

sterile grove
#

oh ok i didnt know that im a pve andy

sharp meteor
#

Bigggg.

boreal stone
#

and here i am hitting for 25k

#

dogshit game

fallen estuary
#

i feel u

#

not that way but the feel way

boreal stone
#

i jsut watched an old vod in season 4

#

raging blow was critting for like 20k

#

it averages 15k now

#

like wot

sterile grove
#

its that they nerf the shit out of pvp scaling

#

instead of just making 1M HP pools

#

like make the trinket bonus from pvp trinkets like give 2x HP

#

done

#

then u dont have to 50% throttle ability/spell damage

#

and then u dont have to worry about starting 11% dampening

elfin surge
sterile grove
#

👀

opal acorn
#

mud stop being delusional m8

#

ms his for 200k on 4sec cd

#

and it resets all the time

#

its op not like that weak ass rsk

ivory granite
#

sure arms does the least damage in all melee specs, but it has the most pressure, reducing healing by 25-50%, also spamming execute will finish them off. cleave also adds allot of pressure, as sweeping strikes helps out allot, making all abilities cleave.

#

fury does 2nd least dps

#

in all melee

opal acorn
#

"it has the most pressure"

ivory granite
#

i exxaterated that a little. not THE MOST but extremely good pressure and utility.

#

intervene+parry will save anyone

#

make a macro

#

2 of em for specific party members

opal acorn
#

"intervene+parry will save anyone"

ivory granite
#

which it uwu uwu usually will

#

paladin i would say could save people almost as much as arms can because BoP and max heal n such, but if tis bubble you can simple shatter throw it if ur against warr

opal acorn
#

"paladin i would say could save people almost as much as arms"

ivory granite
#

fury has less utility as ignore pain isnt a option, granting your -HEALER- less time to heal you, as you dont have a 50% damage reductor for a second. in that split second u can be saved. as soon as you get the enemy under 35% hp you most likely will end them if ur arms. fury u cant say as much

#

paladin enh shaman fury ww monk any other melee does more DPS, but much less utility.

#

which is why i love arms lmfao

#

i win so many matches but takes a long ass time

opal acorn
#

u trolling right?

ivory granite
#

no im deadass

#

intervene is goated

#

utility is fire

#

and its true that arms does the least dps of all melee

#

even fuckin dh for gods sake

#

the burst on arms feels super short cs collosus smash is only 10 second haste buff, after that ur usually slow as balls and have a HUGE damage droposs even if u still have avatar

ivory granite
#

hell ive seen pallys crit 210k with fucking final verdict, more than MS can say, but i dont think it has a healing deffect

opal acorn
#

it doesnt matter

ivory granite
#

but that 10 second goat burst for arms feels super nice. you do abt the same burst dps as fury but it ends too early

opal acorn
#

furys burst ends too early?

ivory granite
#

no cs u allways have consistent haste

opal acorn
#

do u macro every ability together?

ivory granite
#

yes

#

for both classes

#

im saying ARMS feels liek it ends too early

#

cs collosus grants 10% haste

#

warbreaker*

#

arms i main now, it feels so clean even tho it does basically the leas tdps in all melee specs

#

i just feel like the utility is just goated

#

beyond belief

#

intervene spell reflect parry ignore pain just feels AWHHH

opal acorn
#

wtf

ivory granite
#

huh?

opal acorn
#

ye ok lets have a break to admire my arms tmog ok

ivory granite
#

gotcha

ivory granite
opal acorn
#

the weapon + shadowflame dont fit but i dont care

ivory granite
#

yeah

frank knoll
ivory granite
#

depends on blizzard's mood

#

arms is still really chad rn. if they hit 35% hp the healer cant do nun. spam execute

teal hedge
#

Yeah, just stick arms and improve

ivory granite
#

the utility on arms cannot be compared with any other class. which is why i see a shitload of 2.3K+ arms

teal hedge
#

Uh huh

#

Worst time I had on arms was when ret was buffed into the strongest melee in the game

#

But even so, after a slight nerf arms was back on top baybee

fallen estuary
#

is there like noone online queing shuffle?

#

like what the fuck 1 hr as arms

#

i logged off

teal hedge
#

Yeah that was one of the big reasons I cancelled da sub in the first place

#

That and I had to focus on graduating 😭

fallen estuary
#

College?

vapid tartan
#

Maybe if ur super high up there’s just nobody playin at wierd times

fallen estuary
#

Im 1990 mmr at 4 pm est na

#

I just legit sat and watched youtube for a whole hour

#

And realised i sat in que with 0 pops

teal hedge
#

No idea how the US school system works

#

But high school is before, right?

fallen estuary
teal hedge
#

Huh

#

Either way my country calls it a "gymnasium"

#

Which I think translates to high school, in yankee-land

north thicket
# elfin surge

Is there a legitimate reason why multiple r1 players do not have an open communication channel with the pvp devs?
I assume Warriors don't but I don't know how it works. As far as I remember few of Baj's videos, he doesn't as he had expressed his disappointment on multiple occasions.

frank knoll
sterile grove
ivory granite
#

whats the best arms statline.. im confused now lol.

#

[Mastery: Deep Wounds]

#

says it does more dps to the target ur attacking

#

is it only with bleeds or

#

nah

teal hedge
#

I mean, I like a lot of haste on arms

#

Then I grab vers and mast

#

Crit is pretty dead, I think

ivory granite
#

haste>mast?

#

or mast>haste

teal hedge
#

That one is roguh

#

*rough

ivory granite
#

actually??

teal hedge
#

I just try to stack as much haste as possible

#

No idea, haven't been able to gear that much

ivory granite
#

alr then, Versa/Mast or Versa/Haste for arms, which is better???

#

gotta ask the entire population cs

#

its goated

tribal wedge
#

try both

#

conquest is uncapped anyway

ivory granite
#

i kinda need yk

#

crafted items

#

as they give u better stats

frank knoll
#

Frost mage good in shuffle?

hot solstice
#

still can lower versa to get perfect 30/30/30 on arms

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ivory granite
hot solstice
#

@elfin surge

#

human

#

2 insignias

elfin surge
#

HES COOKIN

ivory granite
#

alr then, Versa/Mast or Versa/Haste for arms, which is better???

mild thunder
#

r1 players have biases and gaps in their knowledge just like everyone else

#

does anyone really want flarkness telling blizz how things should be done? keks

hot solstice
#

Imagine if I lower mastery to 18 and make 40% haste

ivory granite
sharp meteor
ivory granite
#

but what is better of the 2 stats? cs im gonna try maining arms sine its utility is insnae

sharp meteor
#

Medallion has mainstat on it now.

hot solstice
#

badge is like 1 min

mild thunder
#

why would you run 2 insignias anyway? if you want 2 dps trinkets run badge and insig

hot solstice
#

2 insignias give u more uptime on buff

sharp meteor
hot solstice
#

according to Mess

mild thunder
#

or if you want 2 haste trinkets run insig and honor badge since it's haste + on-use anyway

teal hedge
#

But having to run human is demeaning

sharp meteor
#

But yeah, it could have potential.

teal hedge
#

Imagine not going for the race that looks the coolest

#

Couldn't be me

mild thunder
#

fem orc + fem nelf xeos

hot solstice
#

idk I just went Mess stream today

mild thunder
#

literally all my chars are fem orc or fem nelf

hot solstice
#

he was using 2 insignias on human dk

#

said they dont stack butt u have more uptime on buff

sharp meteor
#

DK diff because you have stun break.

mild thunder
#

^

sharp meteor
#

but yeah I could see that

teal hedge
#

Replace fem with male and you're good 😎

sharp meteor
#

also DK less vulnerable to disarm at least offensively

#

but you aren't as vuln in some comps

#

like offensive disarm on dk could be just inting

mild thunder
hot solstice
mild thunder
#

would be nice if they just swapped out the crit on badge at this rate... such a dogshit stat, literally no one wants it

hot solstice
#

but yeah

#

I guess it situational

#

but feels good to have 30/30/30

teal hedge
#

Maaan, the WoW heroin-abstinence is kicking in real hard 😭

#

But honestly, you guys feel like pve is worth giving a try?

#

Been hearing some good stuff about mythic+ etc, but congregating with other wow-players seems nightmarish

frank knoll
teal hedge
#

Overwatch was lost when they went F2P

#

Never ever have I seen a more missmanaged game

#

It's so solid! It covers every base of a hero-shooter

#

But the producers can't stop being greedy and shoving microtransactions in your face

north thicket
steep inlet
#

Galangus

#

They are talking about Warrior spell

#

Overwatch spell lol

sharp meteor
teal hedge
#

Oh

#

I haven't played since legion

north thicket
#

Is it a conspiracy theory that Venruki's main chars - mage and ww - are crazy good rn

teal hedge
#

Wait why have you dropped "gala"

sharp meteor
#

It got pruned because we had spell reflect apply to teammate with leggo as well so it was too much anti-magic stuff into a lone caster.

mild thunder
#

Even if you got an unbiased opinion, that wouldn’t necessarily lead you to making good tuning decisions. People can be wrong just as easily as they can be biased

north thicket
mild thunder
sage raptor
#

R1 players also don't have experience in game development so I'm not one to hold their opinions on how the game should be in high regard.

mild thunder
north thicket
#

You are simply overthinking it

mild thunder
north thicket
#

unsurprisingly they are

#

but they can deliver good feedback for this and that

#

have the comms channel open

sage raptor
#

They only care about what happens at the level they play at.

north thicket
#

Popo, let's not ovethink it

mild thunder
#

They can also deliver bad feedback for this and that. There’s really just no reason to give them a voice over any other player.

The game doesn’t need to appeal even more to r1 players than it already does. PvP needs to become more accessible and more playable for low rated players

north thicket
#

you can aggregate 100 opionions from each bracket

#

you can do a lot of stuff to get the most unbiased feedback

sage raptor
#

They all say rework dk

#

Getting it from r1s and streamers ain't it though

#

So idk

#

Basically this

Screenshot_20230817-102945.jpg
mild thunder
north thicket
#

X opionions from Challengers, X opinions from Rivals, X opinions from Duelists, X from Gladiators, X from R1s

mild thunder
#

literally me

mild thunder
north thicket
#

No, I didn't

#

You can start with R1s

#

They should start with R1s

mild thunder
north thicket
#

They can't communicate with everybody

mild thunder
#

You only said r1s should get a direct communication line to blizz

#

Now you’re just describing forums

north thicket
#

No, I didn't say "ONLY'

#

Pls don't tweak my words just for the sake of talking

mild thunder
#

I said you only said r1s

north thicket
#

You can start with them

mild thunder
#

Pls don’t tweak my words just for the sake of talking

north thicket
#

If you think that R1s know the game best

sage raptor
#

Pls don't tweak

north thicket
#

(supposedly they should)

mild thunder
#

No, I don’t

#

Not in the way that would make them more qualified for game development or tuning

sage raptor
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If there's a r1 player with actual game dev experience I'd consider their opinion.

north thicket
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So what do you get from these guys like Holinka with 20y of dev experience

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Ashran?

mild thunder
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20 years of dev experience

sage raptor
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Them understanding changes have a domino effect

mild thunder
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Ahh yea, the entirety of Holinka’s career can be boiled down to ashran

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Omg such true amazing wow soyyyyyyy

north thicket
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You don't need dev exp to know changes have a domino effect

sage raptor
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No but no r1 player does. It's always "buff x" and game is fixed

north thicket
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Maybe you know better

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I don't follow r1 a lot

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But I am sure some (most) of them want the game healthy

sage raptor
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At this point, after hearing all the takes r1 players have to offer, I think I do >.>

mild thunder
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That doesn’t make them qualified

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I want thing to be good =/= I can make thing good

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I am good at thing =/= I can make thing

north thicket
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If you knew how the wisdom of the crowd works

mild thunder
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I have spent 20 years making things = I can probably help you make good thing

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I’m not reading some boring ass philosophy article linked to me in Skyhold

north thicket
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Yeah, I think we are arguing for argue's sake

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I think you like that

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But I don't

mild thunder
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It’s a PvP channel, we’re pvping

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Don’t chicken out

north thicket
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Haha you are a real keyboard warrior

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Sorry, I am not

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Game over, you win

mild thunder
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Why give an opinion if you’re just gonna soy out when someone disagrees

north thicket
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I am not soying out (whatever that means)

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I respect your opinion

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But I don't want to argue about a stupid game more

mild thunder
north thicket
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Dear God...

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You are a big deal keyboard warrior

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:)))

mild thunder
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R1 opinion btw

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sharp meteor
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Kind of already the case.

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There's often 1-2 pve pieces that's bis and only used by like Trill or TR players.

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It's really not a big deal unless we go back to BFA status of 90% of bis being mythic raid or keystone rng loot crate.

mild thunder
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I mean, that’s pretty different to removing PvP ilvl entirely

lavish quest
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Warrior can't be bad

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I won a match

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violet fossil
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so there should be PvP gear enough to use in mythic raid?

ivory granite
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allways the dh stans

violet fossil
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dh main make sense

spice hornet
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Yeah sometbing gotta be wrong with you to main dh

mild thunder
fluid harbor
candid citrus
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no real warrior gives up his second great big two hander. those two strapped across a fury warriors back? sexiest thing in the game! Fury Forever!

ivory granite
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does fury have about the same utillity as arms?