pvp

[mild thunder]

dude, just play an arpg

fr

so simplify the spec even further?

and make it wayyyyy too global-efficient

mortal strike would have to do dogshit dmg on its own if it were applying rend

which brings us back to

what you're suggesting is just bad... it's too efficient and it would cause blizzard to tune our real, upfront dmg so low that it's even more meaningless than it already is

being a bleed spec also doesnt really satisfy what most people want out of arms

bleeds are an afterthought for our spec, it's never fun when they're front and centre

no you have to be playing dumb rn

juggernaut like darius =/= literally darius' kit

it's about trying to find the aesthetic and fantasy

then dont play it

bro what the FUCK is a juggernaut if not an unstoppable, unavoidable warrior?

https://tenor.com/view/juggernaut-xmen-cartoon-gif-23216778

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-running-speed-gif-16089418

too mobile

[violet fossil]

mop arms

[mild thunder]

just say you want wow to be an arpg

[violet fossil]

it shouldn’t

it should play like arms

[mild thunder]

how should it play similarly to ret? what are the key elements of how ret plays?

lots of utility? arms does that
resource management? nothing you've said helps arms with that
long-range? arms shouldnt have that
big slash

you just want arms to have wake of ashes lol

arms is bad because of one ability it presses every ~60s that you want on a toggle?

so you want arms to be dk?

so arms should have dk mobility but no way to actually catch people? sounds sick, dude

all i can say is thank god you dont work at blizz

another thing that doesnt make sense for the arms fantasy lol

i would be shocked if your IQ were positive

[spice hornet]

where do these creatures coem from

the warlock discord?

[violet fossil]

lost ark

[mild thunder]

it's not a clique

it's a cult

ffs

[violet fossil]

yeah it’s a clit

i like ur ideas I don’t agree with arms should be more like ret

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet @sharp meteor @teal hedge @wheat jay @violet fossil @lucid walrus @vapid tartan @lean burrow @undone pumice our numbers grow...

[violet fossil]

mop arms was peak warrior for me though

[vapid tartan]

1min lemme read this

[mild thunder]

i explained why all your suggestions either didnt work or didnt actually address the issues

because you didnt explain it bruh

[violet fossil]

what do u actually mean then

[mild thunder]

you havent really said anything about how to make arms feel more fluid besides adding rend to mortal strike - a colossally bad idea

and then you said mortal strike should be an aoe slash - another bad idea

[violet fossil]

well remember ret got the rework and it does feel better rotationally

a lot of specs could use some reworks

for sure

[mild thunder]

i explained why this was too global-efficient and would cause mortal strike to have to be tuned very low

you cant just have an ability do 150k upfront with a 200k bleed

[violet fossil]

you’d have to tune down ms or get rid of sks entirely

[thick reef]

Sounds beast tbh

[mild thunder]

so thunder clap?

[violet fossil]

Is rend on the gcd?

[mild thunder]

yes

[violet fossil]

i don’t remember if it was off gcd in mop

or had a way lower gcd

[mild thunder]

gcd was very different pre-legion iirc

or pre-bfa

a lot less stuff was on gcd

[violet fossil]

yeah

I miss that

[vapid tartan]

I lost braincells reading this shit

Wtf

[mild thunder]

real

[spice hornet]

Been happening weekly lately

In the warrior discord

In shadowlands we didn’t have as many cooked ass visitors

[mild thunder]

wdym bro? wow should be an arpg and arms should get spell reflect, dbs and cleave

and we should only do bleed dmg

bro i literally responded to all your ideas and you never really tried to explain why/how they would work

stop trying to pretend like you're some intellectual powerhouse when we're talking about a video game in a wow discord

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

it's not really my fault everything you suggested was either bad or incoherent

[vapid tartan]

Drop the checkpvp

[mild thunder]

it's also kinda weird that you say i have zero imagination/cant imagine arms being any other when, as i said multiple times, i've listed out how they could radically change warrior to bring it into line with other specs and make it more engaging

on top of that, i went through the cringe effort of making a mock-up reworked talent tree

[vapid tartan]

You talk about class identity, after mortal strike bladestorm is probs our most iconic ability

[mild thunder]

?

i actually, genuinely dont know what you're trying to get at lol

it had some badass nodes

[vapid tartan]

Imo I thought bladestorm s1 was pretty fair

Does feel wierd with the current iteration but I don’t think it’s overpowered or shit

How is pressing 1 button to do damage and make you cc immune for 5 secs high skill

…

I literally said

Bladestorm is easy to use

In what way is it not beginner friendly?

[mild thunder]

it needs a macro to cancel it

which isnt remotely a bad thing

again, just a part of games like wow

[vapid tartan]

I mean if you’re seeing bladestorm canceling as a skill problem you have larger issues in your gameplay as a whole

[mild thunder]

dont try and play sv hunter

[mild thunder]

nah, he's too good to be considered new bro

[vapid tartan]

You are saying that bladestorm is neither high skill nor beginner friendly?

Then what is it lol

[mild thunder]

remember her

[vapid tartan]

I said bladestorm is an easy to use ability, probs one of the most beginner friendly if I’m being honest

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/say-say-it-say-her-name-viper-oberyn-martell-gif-16421837

it's not unbalanceable tho lol

you have no reason to say that

bladestorm has been mostly balanced for 10 years

[vapid tartan]

Bladestorm feels very fair both this season and last season

[mild thunder]

because it's not, typically, used for damage in pvp

that doesnt mean it's not balanced

yes, correct

in wow you use abilities for utility

[vapid tartan]

It sounds like you’d prefer a moba

[mild thunder]

rather than... a toggle stance?

[vapid tartan]

To wow

[mild thunder]

which is what you suggested lmao

arms has some of the strongest feedback loops of any spec in the game

pretty weird for a spec with zero logic

[vapid tartan]

I mean you literally said arms should play like ret

Why not just reroll ret

Lol

[mild thunder]

ret presses 1-2-3-4 so it's well designed

i would believe the average person if they said this, but based on what you've said so far i actually doubt you

i think i could go up to a random person on the street and get a more valid opinion on wow than ive gotten from you

you've said bye like a dozen times but you keep coming back

[thick reef]

HAHAHAHAHAH

gala vs the world

[mild thunder]

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.

[vapid tartan]

Doubtful, you talked about arms identity as a sword wielding juggernaut, but then want us to use a crossbow/gun and a ranged kick

[mild thunder]

If there are millions of Gala's in Skyhold I am one of them. If Skyhold has ten Gala's I am one of them. If there is only one Gala then that is me. If there are no more Gala's, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against Gala, I am against the world.

[vapid tartan]

I’m sure shooting a dude with a gun fits class identity more instead of a melee juggernaut spinning around with a sword or charging to smack someone with a sword

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[vapid tartan]

Heroic throw buffs inc

[mild thunder]

dont tell bro about spell reflect and die by the sword

[vapid tartan]

I wonder if he knows about the sr talent that blocks two spells lul

[spice hornet]

You know what pisses me off about that talent is that it makes SR longer cd

Like

Why

Why is there a downside baked into it like that

[vapid tartan]

Agree

[spice hornet]

There are very few pvp talents that do that, only one I can think of is death wish?

PvP talents should always amplify, not add some weird downside

[vapid tartan]

I think we have a nerf or downside into most pvp talents at this point

[spice hornet]

He can reflect 2 spells now watch out

[mild thunder]

rogue? gets phys immune on cloak
warrior? can reflect 2 spells on longer CD

[spice hornet]

Lmao yup

[vapid tartan]

Has anyone played against outlaw Fr tho

heard it’s been good after changes

[mild thunder]

i love when a sub opens up with evasion into cloak with shadowblades + dance and i literally cant do anything

much fun

wow

[mild thunder]

it's okay, just play sub tho

[spice hornet]

Yeah it’s wild to me

Cloak immune stormbolt

Disarm

Like why did this class need even more training wheels

Like wtf

[mild thunder]

because

reasons

[vapid tartan]

I mean it’s only fair to buff rogues considering the insane damage warr does rn

[thick reef]

Because we are the big boogeyman to all the shitters everywhere

[mild thunder]

im gonna reroll to outlaw... i hear it's triple SSSS+++++ tier but only 200iq and up can play it

[neat plinth]

can we still not use CB with Battle trancew

[mild thunder]

nah it's been fixed

[neat plinth]

this setup alright for 2s?

and what do i swap vs immunities?

[vapid tartan]

You can take shattering throw into mage/ret but usually just better for someone to dispel it

[neat plinth]

what healer goes well with fury

cant see any info on it

[vapid tartan]

Would probably swap around the bt talents since you’re running rb,

Don’t think you really need the increases bt below 35%

[mild thunder]

for 2s, rdruid will be the best healer for pretty much everyone

except feral and boomy

[neat plinth]

which talents are they? havent touched fury for a while

[mild thunder]

prevo, hpala, rsham, disc are all okay

[vapid tartan]

Remove 2 points from vicious contempt and put it in deft experience unless you are playing 4p

[neat plinth]

i have 2p atm, so i shoudl swap those until 4pc?

[vapid tartan]

Yes definitely

[split spindle]

What build to play on solo shuffle with 4p?

[vapid tartan]

You only really want vicious contempt with annhi build or 4p

[neat plinth]

is annhi build the death wish cheese thing

[vapid tartan]

No

Annhi is where you drop rb completely

[neat plinth]

whats the difference between the two?

[vapid tartan]

And bt is your main button

[neat plinth]

more burst or less? more susstained or less? is there a case where id want to use one of the two into certain comps

[vapid tartan]

Annhi has more self sustain since you use bt way more, rb does more dam overall and is better to swap

[neat plinth]

swap targets?

[vapid tartan]

Yes

Rb build allows you to get battle trance up almost instantly while annihilator takes longer

[neat plinth]

rb okay in low rating atm? like 1400?

[vapid tartan]

If you’re getting trained in a melee cleave you might want annhi, I’ve been playing rb like 90% of games recently

[vapid tartan]

Both builds have been played to 2400

[neat plinth]

any stat changes for either

[vapid tartan]

Nah

Mast/vers is good for both

[neat plinth]

can you link annhi buuild

❤️

[vapid tartan]

There’s on in the pins

One*

BgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAQICkAERTKiQS0ABJSARSAJJJhkkEBRapkkASSAAAQABB

[neat plinth]

playing with a resto, does he take high winds if im running slaughterhouse?

[vapid tartan]

i would swap the whirlwind talent to slaughtering strikes, unless you are gonna play full cleave

[vapid tartan]

dont know off the top of my head, but I belive high winds is 15%? so would probs still take slaughterhouse

a better warr probs has more input on that tho

[neat plinth]

whats the play most games with rdruid? just play off clone stuns or fears

and with annhi do we play the same usual pvp talents depending on comp

[vapid tartan]

as fury yeah, youre very strong on second set of cds, would look for chain cc into burst once second ava+reck is up

[vapid tartan]

same talents for both builds in general, make changes based off comp

[neat plinth]

is it reck then av or other way around

[vapid tartan]

Reck into ava when playing odyns

[neat plinth]

is it a good idea to macro or seperate been having them seperate

[vapid tartan]

Ideally you press reck into rampage then ava but either is fine

[split spindle]

I play on macro reck,avatar,thunderous roar,it pops in a same time with proc odyn's with talent

So it's 4 spells plus blood fury and trinket on use

Seems to me as very good burst

[neat plinth]

wont you overcap rage tho

[split spindle]

Idk I get right away for rampage after that

Managing to pop everything plus rampage in a storm bolt stun

[neat plinth]

is a conq wep better than investing into 4pc asap

[limber relic]

4pc is not needed as fury

[limber relic]

.

[mild thunder]

mainhand is

just get a trophy of strife offhand and upgrade it last

[dreamy moat]

yay got my set

2100 push now

[teal hedge]

That shit look like the battlepass

[dreamy moat]

google, show me this guy's balls

[mild thunder]

google, show me this guy's bitches

no search results found D:

[teal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-cannot-continue-stinkbugs11number1smeck-fan-cat-cat-in-water-water-cat-gif-25921319

[dreamy moat]

queued into flarkness on his prevoker

flames me for losing even though the pally would break cc on combust

i called him some names but didn't know that was him on the prevoker until twitch browsing

now i just watch him rescue his low hp lock into enh and leg sweep

ok idiot

[teal hedge]

This is why you discriminate against healers

Literally this easy

[dreamy moat]

i was playing fury for the first time in a while in solos

he psts me "Maybe practice with questing first"

[teal hedge]

lmao

[dreamy moat]

he sounds like such a whiny bitch

[teal hedge]

You sound broke

Couldn't be me 😎

I'm a money engineer, a hustler's hustler

But you kinda deserve it for rolling fury tbh

[dreamy moat]

yeah it was awkward to play as

back to arms and got 1800 lol

[teal hedge]

Arms ❤️

[mild thunder]

shoulda called him more names after finding out

tell him to write another shitty ass warrior guide

[teal hedge]

I have no idea who this man is is he na?

[wheat jay]

Flarkness wrote warr guide?

The rbg cringe dk guy?

[mild thunder]

worst guide ive ever seen too

[wheat jay]

Smh

[pure hornet]

A question, for horde best race is still orc?

Or i can taureen?

[neat plinth]

you cant shattering throw hunter turtle can u

[wheat jay]

Can't

Its not immunity

[mild thunder]

shatter also only works against magical immunities

[vapid tartan]

Probs best to go orc, we use shockwave a lot rn

[pure hornet]

Ty

Rn? What is rn

[thick reef]

RIGHT NOW

IT MEANS RIGHT NOW

[split spindle]

😂😂

[clever igloo]

inflate mmr i don't have hands i dont wanna play against people with TWO hands

https://tenor.com/view/meme-angry-punho-fechado-de-gif-26104429

[steep inlet]

hey

how is the game rn ?

didnt play since months

except few solo as prot

[mild thunder]

The honest answer is that the pace feels really good, balance is in a decent spot compared to earlier in the season or end of s1. Only real issue it deflated rating and people still play shuffle

But everyone here will cry and tell you it’s a shit season because warrior isn’t S tier

[steep inlet]

hmm ok

[glacial shale]

As a total Beginner in PvP, starting from scratch as Arms, I'm near 2k in 5 days and having fun, warrior is fine too

Balance is alright, some comps are annoying, but it has been way worse in the past I heard

Nothing compared to bfa level of nutshell.

And you get gear fairly fast

[mild thunder]

How are you a total beginner but know what bfa was like?

[glacial shale]

I played a bit back then and quit because of ret and rogues

"a bit" is really a bit, like 1k6

In early bfa

Biased obviously bc I didn't play a lot or at a decent level back then

Felt unfair, quit

[mild thunder]

yea that makes sense, mb

[mild thunder]

when do we ever play at a decent level

[glacial shale]

I guess past 2k or smth ? imo

atleast past when you get the pvp illusion, when you start facing glad rerolls of rankers that are just bored and reroll again and again (in my mind atleast)

[charred onyx]

theres gotta be something wrong with me. after playing arms for a while, i came back to fury and i just cant kill people as fury now

[charred onyx]

oh. i had pve gear on still

[fallen solar]

[charred onyx]

now i know why my trinket wouldnt go off

[split spindle]

I found so much fun playing fury at least in random bg's and solo shuffle

[magic wing]

Game sucks play Baldurs Gate

[undone pumice]

this is why /use 13 and /use 14 are real bis macros

[charred onyx]

that wouldnt have fixed the fact i didnt have my pvp trinkets equipped

[undone pumice]

it makes you aware of it at least

also fix ur name

[charred onyx]

wdym

[vapid tartan]

[vapid tartan]

galapride or galaful I guess

[charred onyx]

oh

why

[vapid tartan]

+300 rating increase

[thick reef]

its true

[mild thunder]

it'll protect your mum from what is to come (me)

[vapid tartan]

[thick reef]

this makes me smile

[undone pumice]

[teal hedge]

Do not think adding "gala" to your name will spare you

[violet fossil]

It’ll protect your dad from me

[mild thunder]

[thick reef]

Gala really is him

[split spindle]

Is it rly necessary to play around bloodthirst build with 4pc set or even then should go rb? What in that case brings more pressure? Do I even need 4pc or should revert back to standard conquest piece because of maybe better stats?

[sharp meteor]

That'll do it.

[sage raptor]

yall are all so wrong

[teal hedge]

What

[thick reef]

I use 4pc, but I don't do the pve game with it

If I have the Ramp Buff cool, if not I'm still sending

[glacial shale]

Any tips against windwalker ?

as fury

it feels like an unfair fight, am I wrong to think so ?

[teal hedge]

Try to avoid their big combos

I forgot what it's called, but their channeling ability just wrecks you

[glacial shale]

Fist of fury

thing that blocks everything, slow you by 90%

and does gigantic damage

[teal hedge]

Yeah, those

[glacial shale]

that he has every 10 s or so

cool

[teal hedge]

Strafe, keep hamstring up

[wheat jay]

Well, ww is just better fury rn

[teal hedge]

Either that or, if you're desperate, you can just charge someone else

[wheat jay]

So ye you lose by default

Just gotta play better than the monk

[glacial shale]

Yeah thought so

annoying

indeed

[teal hedge]

Eh, it was the opposite last season

[glacial shale]

bet, but I didn't play last season

just taking it as it is,

thanks for the answer

[teal hedge]

Yessir, grind dat pvp

[limber relic]

ww is disgusting rn

[teal hedge]

You know what isn't disgusting?

Me; I'm fresh as fuck

[green anchor]

Outlaw is ballin

for the first time since DF launch

[ancient sonnet]

Save stormbolt and shockwave for when they're fistin ya. Stops their damage and allows you to get some counterpressure

[wheat jay]

Not rly a long time

[green anchor]

10 months?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[limber relic]

yo guys, why do people not use both crafted rings and just 1?

and why do people pref the conqest neck over the crafted one?

[green anchor]

aren't crafted rings unique-equipped?

[sharp meteor]

Depends on how much vers you want.

[sharp meteor]

Yes, but there's two rings.

Titanic Insight and Hourglass.

[fallen solar]

I actually don’t have a problem with them on my arms

[sharp meteor]

They're both 50/50 splits of stats whereas Conquest is more heavily Vers weighted.

[fallen solar]

MS goated

[sharp meteor]

WW seems like superior version of Arms.

[fallen solar]

Well I have come across some good ones. I’ve mostly played against them in world pvp and I’ve always outplayed them

The reason is is because the they get too cocky and aggressive

[sharp meteor]

In no galaxy should you ever beat a Windwalker 1v1 unless they're blackout drunk and/or in pve gear.

[fallen solar]

Or if they are a bad player

Cause it has been 3 of those options every time I guess

[wheat jay]

Cuz you can get two rings with best stats with only one crafted

[limber relic]

but why not both crafterd?

[wheat jay]

More vers from one crafted

[ancient sonnet]

As fury, what do you drop to pick up Shattering Throw vs Pally/mages or is it not worth picking up?

[charred onyx]

man i feel bad for some people in solo shuffle

this healer is on his like second match of solo shuffle at 86 rating and hes in a 1900 lobby and just automatically goes 0/6

[fallen estuary]

Daily reminder that arms is trash and needs a 50% damage buff

Chop chop blizzrd fix it

[sharp meteor]

Hopefully there's some tuning this evening.

[charred onyx]

50% would definitely be way too high

but it would be fun

just had an spriest power infusion me to kill the enemy healer. i love that much haste

[opal acorn]

why is ww elite set so disgusting

[charred onyx]

is that ina good way or bad way

[sharp meteor]

Monk set kind of underwhelming.

I don't dislike it, but it's not one of the stronger sets.

[gray iris]

Which Fury build do you guys prefer? Need something to start with for my alt 😄

[charred onyx]

ww gets a bad transmog set for being insane rn

but nah they just sometimes decide that they dont want good transmog for certain classes.

[sharp meteor]

Monk class fantasy is floating balls and an upside down fruit bowl on your head.

[mild thunder]

It’s not

[opal acorn]

u like it?

[mild thunder]

It at least has proper shoes

Unlike their last two tier sets

It’s a pretty clean set, better than anything warr has gotten so far this xpac

[opal acorn]

i think its terrible

especially on orc

[mild thunder]

I think you’re horrible

Especially on orc

[vapid tartan]

[opal acorn]

my tmog is amazing man

dont be jelly

[sharp meteor]

Both warr sets are pretty sick.

Although I prefer the mythic coloration.

[mild thunder]

I really disliked both warr sets so far

I feel like plate elite mogs peaked with Sinful and it’s been a steady decline ever since

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, Sinful is probably my favorite in recent history.

I've evern got it on in my profile picture.

I'd say Cruel or Demonic are sick but Legion was like 6 years ago.

[fallen solar]

Do outlaw rogues use swords?

[mild thunder]

very sad i didnt play legion 💔

[sharp meteor]

They can, yes.

[mild thunder]

i also loved the primal set... i know it gets a bit of hate, but i think the colours are really sharp and it looks pretty unique

[fallen solar]

I mean in order to use the skill dispatch

[mild thunder]

yes

[fallen solar]

You can’t use daggers apparently

[mild thunder]

they dual-wield any regular 1h weapon

daggers not included

[fallen solar]

Still kinda crazy an outlaw rogue took the championship lol

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, need 1h mainhand.

that isn't a dagger

[mild thunder]

awc plays very, very differently to what's on ladder, i wouldnt look at it with a "this must be OP" mindset

@sharp meteor you cant tell me it doesnt at least look clean

i would also break the geneva convention to bring back glaives and greatsword of the inferno

[sharp meteor]

It does look good on human.

And most of the standard races.

Glaives sort of goofy but

[glacial shale]

Challenge mode Timewalk but hard

Bring back old mogs

[sharp meteor]

I know I poked a bunch of friends to learn warr for that set

[glacial shale]

banger

[sharp meteor]

and they did

so we all red power rangers

[mild thunder]

i wish i werent unironically 11 during wod so i couldve actually pvp'd

but oh well

[sharp meteor]

Imo just let people earn 1 old elite set per season per class by playing games above 2100 in 2s or 3s

like 100 wins above 2100 = 1 token for an old elite set

[mild thunder]

i think the best solution is to continue to bring back recolors of old sets, like they did with SL mage tower

they can do the same with glaives and stuff

[sharp meteor]

Nah just bring it back with limitations and boomers can pound sand

[mild thunder]

i feel like my solution is a happy middleground :p

[sharp meteor]

call it a replica so they can have their "prestige" from being 2k 10 years ago

[mild thunder]

imma keep saying i also think m+ should get its own version of an Elite recolour of tier every season

for like 2500+ rating

[sharp meteor]

Ya agreed

been pitching that since

legion actually LMAO

Everybody I did cms with quit cos key rewards didnt exist

until end of bfa lmaooo

[mild thunder]

m+ singlehandedly carries wow endgame... it's consistently the most fun and popular content in the game

and it gets the worst rewards lol

[sharp meteor]

get ksm in like 2 key sessions

[mild thunder]

oh look! participation ksm mount wowowowow

[sharp meteor]

get 20s

done

rift between 20s and r1

lmaooo

[mild thunder]

portals are obsolete now too since dungeons reset on season

not that they were ever particularly exciting

[ancient sonnet]

Tbf 1800 is easy to get in 2 sessions too, so it'd be on par for rewards if they made a m+ elite recolor.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, but that's effectively where key rewards stop.

[ancient sonnet]

Ah yea good point. They def need a bigger carrot

[mild thunder]

1800 is easy af to get if you play pvp

ksm is easy to get no matter what

i think there's a bit of a discrepancy there, but yea the major issue is also just that ksm is the only real reward for most m+ers

[sharp meteor]

Is Arash in here

[mild thunder]

i got Arash on my dick after sleeping with @teal hedge mum last night

[delicate parrot]

[fallen estuary]

tfw im the only dabdaddy

@sharp meteor trying to recover from the double caster lobby as prot and the first lobby i get noone presses their defensives and 2-6 and lose 10 pts

like bruh there needs to be a bigass casino popup when they are low on hp to get them to use their defensives

\

like this is how they should be presing their defensives and life savings away

[sharp meteor]

Just remember it could always be worse.

[fallen estuary]

Gaw dayum

[scarlet flame]

probably one of the worst images on the internet right there

charged with warcrimes

[sharp meteor]

For playing a terrible spec? I don't know.

[scarlet flame]

for playing a tank

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, they're like 50-60% of a real spec.

[ivory granite]

does season 3 come out the week of september 5th or is that pre-patch for it

[mild thunder]

neither

[ivory granite]

10.1.7?

[mild thunder]

that's just another patch

we have no info yet on s3

[ivory granite]

?

fyrt ubcarbate

fury incarnate

holy

[mild thunder]

X.X patch - new season
X.X.X patch - just an update

[ivory granite]

atleast september 5th comp stomp is comin out

so i can gear my cringe monk

[fallen estuary]

Can they stop using that damn word like ffs

Incarnate incarnate incarnates

God its like they open a damn dictionary and find a word that sounds odd but menacing and slap it onto everything

Heres a new word for you blizzard. SOY incarnate

[sage raptor]

Lol

It used to be a cool word too

Shame

[unique fox]

We need MMR patch desperately

[mild thunder]

hopefully in 10.1.7

blizz kinda fumbling atm... pvp balancing and pacing feels mostly pretty good but the lack of mmr and over-bracketing makes it feel shit
pve content is really fun, current dungeon pool is really good and has been a solid raid but the balancing is nightmarish

[sharp meteor]

I don't imagine we'll get one.

The season still has a few months on it, though, probably.

Stinks to have to wait for number to go up but it is what it is.

[teal hedge]

How the fuck do I catch strays whilst sleeping

[candid citrus]

stray whats?

best heals to go with fury warrior these days? thanks!

[spice hornet]

i like how i get a shuff with a MW

first 3 rounds he plays fistweaver for some reason

loses them all

swaps to not-FW and wins them all when im not on his team

i hate this game so godd damn much

[limber relic]

@spice hornet typical 😂

[sharp meteor]

Just remember that it could always be worse.

[limber relic]

Or when a mage/hunter/sp doesnt block/turtl/disp

[spice hornet]

I have my main warrior sitting at like 2450 or whatever

And my alt warr just gets ducked over every time it touches 2400

[unique fox]

Goddamn bros 2's around 2k is painful

Hunters, rogues, hpals everywhere

Didnt fight a single other war the entire night across 25 games

[mild thunder]

had to do it

[teal hedge]

Ruthless

I got a job interview in two hours

[mild thunder]

all i see are uhdk

[teal hedge]

But I'm fresh as fuck

[mild thunder]

uhdk/mw, uhdk/rdru

cringe af

[unique fox]

Had a few of those too

It was a brutal night to say the least

[mild thunder]

it's not necessarily OP (it kinda is), it's just super boring to verse

games are always slow, they keep you perma chained, grip blurrrrrrr boring

[unique fox]

It's some whack shit to just get chains of iced and waddled away froim

[mild thunder]

and then you randomly get your cherry popped and die

[unique fox]

Yep dying out of seemingly nowhere

2's feels horrendous to play atm

[teal hedge]

Hasn't warrior always been kinda mid in 2s?

[mild thunder]

dk has way too much cc avoidance too... ams, ibf, deaths advance, lichborne etc.

it's so cringe for such an easy spec

[unique fox]

Lots of cringe in the game currently

[mild thunder]

it doesnt dominate it like feral and sv does, but it's definitely strong when it's in a good spot

but warrior really only excels with rdru in 2s

everything else feels so bad

[teal hedge]

Even shaman?

[mild thunder]

rdru > prevoker > everything else > priest imo

[unique fox]

I've been playing with an evoker and its been good up til tonight lol

[mild thunder]

prevo is just a budget rdru in 2s

[unique fox]

I was running RB build which I'm not sure is worth it in 2s

Might go annihilator next sesh

[mild thunder]

emerald comm = tranq
sleep = clone
wild charge = hover etc.

[charred onyx]

i dont play healer but from just looking at playing against the 2 classes

if prevo is a rdruid, it definitely seems easier for the general player to play it

[neat plinth]

we dont press slam with annhi build do we

[charred onyx]

you can, it still does more damage than a bloodbath

[mild thunder]

it's pretty much 2 buttons, ye

[teal hedge]

I'm so fuckin iced out for this interview

[toxic remnant]

50-

[teal hedge]

Interview over, baby

[boreal stone]

found a meld botter. if anyone didnt know what it looked like before, this is it: https://clips.twitch.tv/SourToughGarageShadyLulu-EoeEobhpJc38vQfk

[toxic remnant]

2nd day on war

rolled

[bronze coral]

Heya havent played warrior since shadowlands, are people liking fury or arms more?

[vapid tartan]

Both are pretty close in strength right now, probs whatever you have more previous experience on or enjoy more

[bronze coral]

Is swapping between the two hard?

Are the stats comparable? (Besides weapons obviously)

Also are the ques long on warrior’s, I literally havent played more than two solo shuffles that havent had a warrior lol

[north thicket]

haha stormbolted the air

report the mf-er!

is this common at high ratings? or they are quickly caught up and banned?

it's crazy and sad how a lock is happily tanking warrior dmg, w/e cds he has up

[mild thunder]

not really. both want mastery, arms just wants a bit more haste (10-20%, usually)

[mild thunder]

shuffle queues are pretty good, esp at lower ratings

[bronze coral]

yay might give it a try

Need to get to 70 first ._.

[split spindle]

Take boost to 70,it's pretty cheap and fast

[mild thunder]

dont do that

what a waste of money

[teal hedge]

Take the boost

[mild thunder]

your mum took the boost last night

[teal hedge]

Your money is worthless if you do not spend it

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-virtual-end-linkin-park-meme-gif-26296541

My honest reaction

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-tony-soprano-james-gif-19581887

[split spindle]

I mean in game boost for gold

[mild thunder]

still so not worth

60-70 takes like 4 maybe 5 hours

not like you make gold back from pvp

[split spindle]

Well, I am not allowed to give then advices because I leveled to 70 every class in game and for me is frustrating to lvl myself😂

[frank knoll]

What’s the best build prior to 4 set

[charred onyx]

ya unless you have just insane amounts of gold, better to just level yourself isnt that hard. or wait until 10.1.7 and get the huge xp boosts coming in that patch

[frank knoll]

When’s 10.1.7 is that season 3?

[charred onyx]

no

its the catchup patch before 10.2

will be in like september

[charred onyx]

why is the maintenance so long today lol

[glacial shale]

15 sec game lmao

I love when it's crispy like that

[bronze coral]

Id pay for a boost im so sick of leveling, just gold poor xd

[split spindle]

Is that with death wish stacked to 5? 😂

[glacial shale]

nonono

[boreal stone]

this was on my alt war, only like 2k. I dont rly see this happening a lot, but most ppl dont play night elf in the first place. The more common bots are simply just rotation bots that optimize dmg/healing output

[frank knoll]

my first ever queue of the season was literally instant
0cr with honor blues thrown into a 1780-1850 lobby though

[ancient sonnet]

Doubt it matters much honestly. But I'd probably go arms for the on demand sharpen MS and bladestorm with Storm of Destruction

[west mural]

what is the least verse u feel u can run with on arms war?

in ss

[hot solstice]

Blizo went crit on his arms

[teal hedge]

WHo is blizo

[ancient sonnet]

AWC war but that seems like an odd statement to make lol

[sterile grove]

if im 1.6k in 2s and 1.5k in 3s and i want to get 2.1k for the weapon illusion transmog before the new PoE league launch on Friday. what's the best way to do that.

i got glad in s2 shadowlands and like 2.1k in s4

i only pvp when i want a mog/mount

[sharp meteor]

Moderately deranged.

[ancient sonnet]

I'd think shuffle is still gonna be the easiest way to get 2.1. Unless you have partners already to climb with. LFG tends to be meta slaves and warrior isn't exactly meta atm

[sterile grove]

i tried SS a few times its 15min queue times

and i watched soda's video on MMR/cr formula and why its like near impossible to climb it

thats why i ask. i just get healers that go oom when other healers are at like 50% mana (same dps) or that dont know how to los or dont CC or whatever

[random fractal]

fury is really good aoe damage

arms good for single targets

[ancient sonnet]

Sitting LFG also has it's own queue time. If you can find partners that want to climb with ya and not bail after 2-3 losses than that'll be faster sure. But LFG is kinda a cess pool typically

[sterile grove]

maybe thats how i sit in LFG "2.1k before new PoE league gogogo"

[ancient sonnet]

Yea give it a shot. Doesn't have to be done before league launch neccesarily. Season will prob go for about 2 months. Can come back to finish the grind after your starter is geared up or whatnot

[sterile grove]

yeah true

ty for info

[ancient sonnet]

Or just queue up shuffles while mapping

[sterile grove]

bro. true

[ancient sonnet]

yes

[frank knoll]

What’s the trophy of conquest do

[upbeat violet]

Just a question here and maybe I am wrong and this is answered somewhere else so forgive me if so.

4 piece scalewarden gives a 60k shield every 2 minutes and 105 versatility for 2 piece.

At what point do you give that up to get tier 4 piece? I am not sure how well the fury 4 piece actually performs in pvp as it’s a stacking thing.

So I guess the question is. All gladiator with tier 4 piece out perform 4 piece scalewarden? Is it worth it?

I pvp just for fun nothing serious but want to perform the best I can in doing so.

Thanks for your help!

[west mural]

last i hear that 4 piece bonus doesn't work in arenas

heard

scalewarden one

[ancient sonnet]

None of the set bonuses from the scalewarden work in rated pvp

[upbeat violet]

Yes, so if just playing open world and random BG’s. Again my guild is a PVE guild so all my PVP stuff is just on the side for fun.

[boreal stone]

i dont think it matters what u do. worldpvp isnt competitive

[west mural]

the only reason people still wear scalewarden is for stats but since conquest cap is no more i don't see why not just buy the conquest or craftable gear at 450 ilvl for optimal stats

the only thing scalewarden is good for imho is to transform it into pve tier piece for set bonuses

the 2set bonus for arms is rly nice no doubt

[ancient sonnet]

The set bonuses may actually only work in wpvp. Not even normal BGs

[upbeat violet]

Yeah I wonder if that’s true. It very well could be. If so, then it’s a no brainer.

[west mural]

managed to get 30 mastery 30 vers, question is how much crit/haste is optimal for the rest of the stats, i still haven't seen a player anywhere say what is optimal, i've seen max mastery, max haste, max crit and also spread arround

[charred onyx]

first time trying a caster as a warrior main since MoP. i dont like hunters

[tribal wedge]

make your crafted stuff scale to 450 ilvl in pvp

[fickle berry]

i wanna try some fury pvp (Gonna make a new alt for it cuz why not) and i know gnome is BIS alliance and orc is BIS horde

but HOW BIG is orc really?

just cuz the concept of a tiny gnome shredding makes me laugh

on murlok.io it seems orc is chosen as the majority for pvp content regardless of 2s 3s etc

[west mural]

i play human and the bonus free trinket is nice but i don't recomand vs most comps cause pvp trinket is more valuable even for dps alot of the time

[fickle berry]

since we already can remove roots/snares every 20s

[west mural]

also, are u talking about fury or arms cause there;s a slight difference, i think gnome benefits arms more

[fickle berry]

fury

mb should have mentioned

[west mural]

i think it's more of a feel thing when it comes to races and u rly have to play alot and have a good sense of the game to tell the difference

but probably orc

[fallen estuary]

GUYS ARMS JUST GOT BUFFED MASSIVE

SLAM GOT ANOTHER 10% BUFF!!!!!

[sharp meteor]

Gnome kind of goated

Off global minutely root break is sick

[sharp meteor]

Don't need arms if you have prot

[spice hornet]

bait

was the develoer update hardcore shit only

[vapid tartan]

P sure they’re nerfin slam for 10.1.7

Lul

[elfin surge]

lets get some whirlwind and slam buffs

maybe buff hamstrings damage while ur at it

🙂

[hot solstice]

check this out

hunter had no chance

[sharp meteor]

[ruby temple]

I am a warrior and I am not dead, therefore, warrior is not dead. Ez as .

[fallen estuary]

Cool so you hit a lvl 12 in cloth with slam

[spice hornet]

ray of frost does wayy too much damage

[stable siren]

Take hamstring back off gcd plz

[wet scarab]

I think the highest arms warrior on alliance is a gnome atm in SS

feels like it shouldn't matter if your'e playing fury since if roots are such an issue you can just talent it in specific matches

it is nice on arms though

[west mural]

can they half the talents and spells and shove them up ther ass and give us a spell with a consistent 6 digit dmg

all i see is ass fury

[fickle berry]

Is that not a talent that arms has? I'm a fury otp so I didn't know

As for the races I just asked from a fury perspective

[wet scarab]

no it's a f ury talent

[spice hornet]

Have they done the developer update

[sharp meteor]

Was it the class hardcore thing? Lmao.

[spice hornet]

Was that it? Jesus Christ

[sharp meteor]

I hope not.

[spice hornet]

Should’ve mentioned that the update was specific to that

[mild thunder]

Why was rdruid nerfed? Lol

It’s only good in 2s

And not because of the healing

[dense herald]

I need a second warrior,i want a human but gnome so good

Well for root breaks

[wheat jay]

Baseless nerd

Nerf

[sterile grove]

the wowhead warrior pvp guide is giga-outdated right?

trying to figure out why it doesnt have shockwave

[spice hornet]

Pvp dev hpal main lost to an rdruid

[dense herald]

Its written by archimitros who does the pve guides but even then that might not be the reason cuz the pvo builds section still uses spear

[sterile grove]

the stickied build uses spear also im pretty sure

[dense herald]

Stickied?

[sterile grove]

pin message

in discord

bad terminology

oh nvm its the third option

[dense herald]

Yeah

Guys why are people using hurricane

Someone here told me its bad cuz u cant cancel it

But on murlokio top players using hurricane

[sterile grove]

ppl scuff their chars when they're on leaderboards like that fyi

equip retarded gear etc...

[mild thunder]

It’s just bad

Regardless of whether it’s current or not

[sterile grove]

yeah ok thats what i figured

in regards to spear tho, if u play with a healer that gets trained lets say 50/50 do u play spear just to use as a peel?

[dense herald]

Thry should revert all the nerfs n buff arms has got

[sterile grove]

against a melee or a ranged thats right on the corner its good

[dense herald]

I wanna play s1 spear build and oneshot ppl

[sterile grove]

i feel like

[dense herald]

😄

[mild thunder]

Nope

Pretty much every spec can escape spear

And you don’t kill in 6s very often

[sterile grove]

yeah i like using it as a peel more than anything

maybe im playing in pepega ratings but its rare that i see a spear escape

im a PvE'er playing at like 1.8k trying to get 2.1k before new PoE league

just NEED wep transmog

[sharp meteor]

It can be okay counterpressure but spear in general right now feels bad.

[mild thunder]

Spear should be deleted

[sterile grove]

ok makes sense

[sharp meteor]

I was actually gonna try it as prot to bait buttons.

[sterile grove]

so in most situations i run roar + skullspliter?

[sharp meteor]

Roar is good in general. Skullsplitter I'm not sure.

[dense herald]

Why

U want banner back?

[sterile grove]

why is roar good in general?

no F banner

stand down

[dense herald]

Banner was pog man

[sterile grove]

id take banner if it made u immune to slows/snares

[dense herald]

Only issue i have with banner is that its 2min cd while avatar is 1.5min

[sterile grove]

its np they just need to increase duration

keep it at 2min CD just increase duration to 40sec intead of 20sec or whatever

[dense herald]

Maybe bring back condem

Bring bac condemn and revert the nerfs to execute charge so it has no cd

Sl s1 gameplay les go

[sharp meteor]

Minimal counterplay and offers access to bleed damage increase talent.

Spear is eh, and you can grab shockwave alongside roar.

Shockwave upgrade seems good as Fury.

[sterile grove]

Ah ok ty

[unique fox]

just fucking lmao if you think they wouldnt give us some gimped shitty trash version of banner

[sharp meteor]

I think that one of the problems with banner is that it's similar to avatar in that it's just a damage modifier.

[dreamy moat]

What's the verdict for Arms and T30, 2p/4p worth it or what?

[wet scarab]

got utterly clapped by smexxin on his outlaw rogue

never been happier to lose so badly

[unique fox]

Cant wait for outlaw meta (im unsubbing finally)

[sharp meteor]

Praying for a triple melee lobby.

[sharp meteor]

Not a Mage in sight.

[spice hornet]

Damnnn as prot?

That’s rare

Going 3-3 as prot is like going 6-0 as a DPS

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, trying to get the old main ranked up. Somehow my turbo rat alts are the highest rated.

[spice hornet]

Don’t blame you, alting has been so fun and so easy. Very enjoyable

[sharp meteor]

It is a fantastic expansion for alts.

Now if only they'd buff healer mmr a bit so queues were a bit less scuffed.

[unique fox]

The very instant i crossed 2100 mmr in 2's just now i fought 5 DK's and 2 hunters in 7 games

Yep think im done for the night there

[opal acorn]

But u beat them right?

[unique fox]

Most of them but SV hunter seems a bit insane

[sage raptor]

What build you run?

[split spindle]

Suggestion to play fury in ss when not primary target with 4pc raging/crushing blow or bloodthirst/annihilator? Also odyn's fury in comb or onslaught? Which anyway comb in last talent tier is the best in that moment?

Is it maybe good thing to spam crushing blow with rampage so u don't have to press bloodbath for some time and then hit it when 4pc stacks are full for a big number?

[opal acorn]

I run 4pc rb build with odyns and os

And used bb when fully stacked

[mild thunder]

Sv is a melee dps rdruid

Built for 2s

Uhdk also just braindead easy and pretty strong in 2s

[mild thunder]

did we get anything in that dev update today?

or was it all classic stuff

[steep inlet]

classic hardcore shite

[spice hornet]

Where’s @coarse glenin

[mild thunder]

the same place as @ndogofury and @lukeypooky

[fickle forge]

Why did Ndogo leave for the 10th time

[mild thunder]

bpd

bro why are pve-ers so deranged

[undone pumice]

too many fire vapors from dragon killing

[wheat jay]

Oi

Im not

Fuck you

[fickle forge]

PvP'ers aren't?

[mild thunder]

everyone but me is deranged

[fickle forge]

Don't tell the valks they haven't restricted external stickers

They'll take it away like they did reacts and external emotes

[wheat jay]

after being in this discord for years

id say not as much

remember the tragedy of Arcana the Mitigated?

[fickle forge]

I think not, it's not a story the val'kyrs would tell you

[stable drift]

Mud i saw your stream last night , alot of 2s against surv/druids . Just wanna say i love the energy , keep it up 🙌

[fickle forge]

I love Mud's perma whine fury main energy as well

❤️

[mild thunder]

the soy in his blood increases when he queues fury

it's already at dangerously high levels

[fickle forge]

Tbf, he's one of the 2 R1 arms warrs rn

It's only @elfin surge and Laros that are in R1 range on arms worldwide

And Mud did it with a garbage comp

[elfin surge]

[elfin surge]

is that real

[fickle forge]

: )

Laros are the 3 others

[elfin surge]

laros is gaming

[mild thunder]

Laros:
Mud: 🤓

[fickle forge]

Eu be having 0 R1 arms warrs rn

We got Blizo on fury as the only R1 range warr

[undone pumice]

damn...

arms fuck bad fr fr

[mild thunder]

💔 D:

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-pyrocynical-reverse-gif-21542556

mud when he finally stops playing fury

[opaque canyon]

is fury viable in 3v3 on high elo? lfg to get glad achievment rn but not a lot of ppl accept my requests in lfg tool inside of wow and it feels fucked up

[fickle forge]

Warrior isn't viable on high elo

[glacial shale]

Should I bother using sockets on PvP gear, like realistically

it's not what will make win games sub 2.4k's right

[opaque canyon]

but is it possible to get glad achievment anyway? xd

[fickle forge]

Always, with any spec

[elfin surge]

war is just not great rn

[opaque canyon]

and what's the way to find viable group? cant increase rating in 3v3 cuz no group so in result noone applies me in party

[elfin surge]

fury slightly better than arms tho

[elfin surge]

could be because you're a warrior

or cuz lfg system is ass

[frank knoll]

Brothers
Raging blow build or Blood bath/annihilator build?
Also being told 4 set isn’t worth it for fury and only go with 2 set

[frank knoll]

Tier lists say both specs are A tier, with Sub being the best melee and frost DK being the worst 😖

[elfin surge]

show tier list with arms A tier

[fickle forge]

Frost DK lowkey trucks fat dmg

[wheat jay]

that 2s?

[frank knoll]

I was looking at their talents and abilities and I kind of want to level mine and start queuing b

[wheat jay]

that has to be 2s

xD

[frank knoll]

It’s all Rated PvP including shuffle which may skew it

[elfin surge]

what am i looking at

[frank knoll]

Supatease says warrior is good and he’s a rank 1

[elfin surge]

all healer specs are equal

all s tier including disc

???

[frank knoll]

This is the thing I check every week
Not sure where to find better stats

[elfin surge]

he played it then said "idk why i rated it so high this is awful" then suggested to bring back raging blow charge

[fickle forge]

Idk what source this is, but it's as close to pure propaganda you can get

[cunning river]

subcreation

[sage raptor]

Outlaw at A lol

[west mural]

talk is cheap, if people thought arms was great then more pros/streamers would play it, would be ez to find partners in search

[frank knoll]

Only propaganda I consume is truth social 🙂

So is warrior like C tier then

[opaque canyon]

is that pog?

or im missing enchantment

[fickle forge]

Tbf it ran through everyone at AWC

[sage raptor]

Yeah thats awc though

[violet fossil]

guess cause it’s played in awc mean it’s s tier

[sage raptor]

A tier

[fickle forge]

It's literally played on ladder too lmao

[sage raptor]

Literally everything is my guy. It's 10.1.5. Everything goes.

[violet fossil]

what ladder

[sage raptor]

It didn't magically get better after having light shown on it at awc. The 5% buff didn't do a lot

[sage raptor]

The collapsible one from lowes

[violet fossil]

lol

[sage raptor]

They're on sale I think

[violet fossil]

I mean if it’s 3s

[sharp meteor]

BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIEBAAAASSCJSk0SKJJpBRICkIUSS0AQSQDJRICEJAAAAAAAQEAQKaAgA

Ravvy is flex point.

[sage raptor]

3 ladders?

[violet fossil]

it’s trill

[sage raptor]

Damn

[violet fossil]

I mean best multiclasser

[fickle forge]

Only camping top spots on both regions

[sage raptor]

Sheeit I forgot I asked lol. Thanks.

[fickle forge]

AWC doesn't mean it's above C tier

[violet fossil]

yeah but those are like the best rogues

lol

[fickle forge]

Winning ladder and AWC with it still makes it mediocre

[frank knoll]

Yeah lol Whazz and Trill

[sage raptor]

Guys I'm telling you. It's the best spec if you're the best players guys.

[violet fossil]

yeah I guess the 2 best rogues being that high with it makes it s++++ tier right

[frank knoll]

Like seeing all of the Arcane Mages, when frost is better

[fickle forge]

Ah ye, beating out all the other best players in the world with an F-tier spec

Insane players

[violet fossil]

it’s not just then either lol

[fickle forge]

Sub established one of the best melee, but they choose to go outlaw, what a bunch of giga Chads

[sage raptor]

Well no one said F tier either

[violet fossil]

them*

its 3s

3 whole ass people

[fickle forge]

Arcane is way stronger rn

[violet fossil]

yeah nobody is saying it’s f tier either

lol

[sage raptor]

All the kill pressure was on the mage.

[fickle forge]

Give it a tier then ya'll

Place outlaw

[sage raptor]

B. Take it or leave it.

[fickle forge]

[sage raptor]

I genuinely don't think it's bad. I know it's overhyped

[fickle forge]

Shadowlands all over again

[teal hedge]

Outlaw in D tier

The brainrot spec

[sage raptor]

Mechanically dead

Kill slice and dice

Rahhhh

[charred onyx]

its a rogue spec, arent they like always a good class

i guess solo shuffle changes things a bit but like their regular 3v3 comps are usually good enough that even if the rogue did little damage, the comp would still be good a lot of the time

[mild thunder]

outlaw is SSS tier

you're just not high enough IQ

[charred onyx]

i didnt say anything bad about outlaw 😛

[sage raptor]

Not true. I have the most chromosomes in the world.

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/looney-tunes-coyote-chick-magnet-eyebrows-wiggle-gif-16848121

popo getting ready for the chromosomes to come

[sage raptor]

So true bestie

I always have room for more

[charred onyx]

your name makes me think of mr popo

[frank knoll]

Ehh I tried it last season and felt like it lacked in damage sure you’d get juicer crits sometimes but yeah idk what changed

[sage raptor]

More slice and dice casts

[violet fossil]

literally 8% damage buff

is all

[frank knoll]

I’d just switch over to assa and suddenly stuff started dying

[sage raptor]

That's what I'm saying. Outlaws problem is there's no real threatening kill pressure.

Which is probably why it ran with arcane mage

Because rm is tried and true

[violet fossil]

and boomy

[sage raptor]

And boomy

Boomy good with a lit these days

Good for them

[charred onyx]

boomy is so stronk atm

[frank knoll]

I tried to play arcane and im literally too retarded to figure out how to make it do damage

Stick with frost instead

[violet fossil]

Average warrior player

jk

[sage raptor]

Just press OP like a good warrior

[frank knoll]

Doesn’t arcane just one shot people

[violet fossil]

I’ve never played it either lol

[sage raptor]

It's really fun

[charred onyx]

i made a demo lock to mess around in keystones. tried it in some solo shuffle and even when i kill stuff, i literally dont know how they are dieing

[frank knoll]

Is demo still all about the Tyrant

[violet fossil]

I don’t think as much

[charred onyx]

how does a pet class like demo lock enjoy pvp. i like the feedback of instant hits knowing that it was directly that hit that did the damage

[sage raptor]

Speaking of tyrant. Here's another hot take. I miss pet unholy.

[charred onyx]

yea tyrant is still used

[sage raptor]

Taurine writing an essay over here

[mild thunder]

i miss disease unholy

why does blizz hate dot and rot specs

[sage raptor]

Idk what it is now but it's not unholy.

[violet fossil]

I like it more now than in SL

[mild thunder]

wdym? it's so unholy... it uhh, generically builds and spends arbitrary resource and sometimes spends them all at once for big dmg

so unique, very unholy

[violet fossil]

It is very pve oriented though

[sage raptor]

Idk. Meta build is a burst build that's very weird.

[charred onyx]

shit fury just builds resource to spam rampage over and over and its my favorite thing in the game

[violet fossil]

The doomburst one?

[sage raptor]

Yeah

[violet fossil]

it takes a bit of getting used to ngl

[sage raptor]

Like, why are we trying to go back to burst after everyone was wanting sustain for so long

[mild thunder]

build and spend is okay, but there needs to be some variance/complexity to it, like ww or feral... uhdk mostly just alternates festering wound and scourge strike/ranged ability

taurine still writing his thesis

[sage raptor]

Kill wounds. Ggez

Lol

[charred onyx]

hes editing it to respond to you guys talking about him

[sage raptor]

He's writing a strongly worded statement about his 8th favorite spec (outlaw)

[charred onyx]

your in for it big time

[violet fossil]

it’s not as burst oriented as it was, just now apoc does big damage every 45s and then the smaller chunks from doomburst procs

[sage raptor]

Oh golly

[violet fossil]

it does feel weird to play it though

[mild thunder]

he's writing an essay on how to rework arms (he wants it to be an ARPG class with fists of fury and a stance that makes you immune to all damage and cc)

[sage raptor]

Army is old apoc but worse. Fight me.

[charred onyx]

uh dk feels like they turned into a survival hunter with all their ranged attacks as a supposed melee spec

[violet fossil]

army is poopoo I agree lol

[sage raptor]

Well

Dang

[mild thunder]

with none of the fun or nuance, maybe

[violet fossil]

It should be lower cd

[charred onyx]

i just meant to play against it

watching it shoot at me from ranged and doing actual damage

[sage raptor]

The only fun part about unholy is popping wounds from 25 yards away

[mild thunder]

uhdk is way more egregious imo because their CDs are far easier to use

no positional requirements, dumb easy defensives, cant be kited etc.

such a retard-friendly spec

[charred onyx]

they are also more annoying because they can also kite you even better than hunters because they get a spammable 70% slow

[mild thunder]

give chains of ice a CD

[frank knoll]

I always thought frost was easier

[mild thunder]

or remove piercing howl CD