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#pvp
snow jay
snow jay
my main issue it macros and keybinds
fallen estuary
Good news its a abc 123 spec
Dont really need to worry about keybinds nor macros when you just spam bt and rampage
snow jay
yes but the stuns and extra stuff
snow jay
how should i gear for pvp?
fallen estuary
20% haste 40% mastery
Most the time i pvp im usually drinking but the mastery is huge on the windows for your burst
When im not drinking i can scale pretty damn high on ladder but them jack ds be calling my name
snow jay
so should i buy the pvp gear
fallen estuary
snow jay
the only reason i ask is because the stats are wierd on them
i cant get haste and mastery on them
ivory granite
20% haste 40% mastery
what typa gear do u have
fallen estuary
Im in bed about to pass out theres no way in hell im getting a ready loadout to post here. But ask mud or the other 4000 muds in the server i think he has the current setup
I have questing greens
snow jay
see i was told by a random that haste is the best for me
since the gear is either mas, vers and haste, vers
fallen estuary
50% haste from the 4 ramps n enrage is enough idk wtf theyre smoking
20 haste and 40 mas is the best to go. Haste is an afterthought and if you somehow have more stats to punch in go crit. As masterys at 40% and stat tax kicks in heavily
ivory granite
20 haste and 40 mas is the best to go. Haste is an afterthought and if you someh...
if ur fury NEVER get crit lmfao
verse>crit not even close
fallen estuary
Idk bro the pressures really good. But like i saod if you somehow have extra stats
Indont use the soy raging blow build btw
ivory granite
Indont use the soy raging blow build btw
why.. you do far more dmg
snow jay
i been using bloodbath
fallen estuary
Yea i dont trust the dumbass healers in the 2ks enough to run that build
snow jay
bloodbath and rampage
sharp meteor
Bloodthirst build feelin' kind of scuffo.
fallen estuary
I use anni build cause i gotta do the healers job for them. Like lmao ong fr what does a warrior gotta do for a freedom LOL
sharp meteor
is pvp still dead
What do you mean?
sharp meteor
I use anni build cause i gotta do the healers job for them. Like lmao ong fr wha...
Bloodthirst spam doesn't heal for much outside ER.
snow jay
so whats the best fury build for pvp?
ivory granite
so whats the best fury build for pvp?
ragin blow
fallen estuary
Stands in middle of map
Stunned and dps dies
"Bro why did you die like wtf"
Placements should start at 1k mmr fr
Me when the healer thinks hes the main character in the middle of the map thinking noones going to stunlock his ass lmao
Yea im tired, im going to sleep lmao
fallen estuary
so whats the best fury build for pvp?
For the love of god please try anni first before dipping into rb. Itll make your life 20x easier when you find out how furys intended to work in shuffles
snow jay
ragin blow
the mythic+ build?
mild thunder
"wowhead" btw
just click the "retail" button and you only see wow news
restive cobalt
What's the optimal arms pvp burst for rbgs, would it be war breaker, avatar, thunderous roar, then thunderclap?
ivory granite
Mastery/verse or Haste/mastery for fury whats better in 2s. (i meant to say in 2s before but forgot. im not trolling this time deadass.)
snow jay
i find that more haste is needed for bloodbath build
im able to heal alot faster
also should i replace my tierset with pvp gear?
severe narwhal
Seems like they really neutered arms when they nerfed crits to 150%.
Since crit is the best dps stat in pve
We should be rolling in with crit/vers builds in pvp, blizzard better fix that
Might have to join the fury bandwagon soon
snow jay
also should i replace my tierset with pvp gear?
?
severe narwhal
Aren't they one and the same?
mild thunder
Since crit is the best dps stat in pve
pretty sure haste outscales crit pretty severely even in pve
even last season when crit was unnerfed we didnt run full-crit builds
severe narwhal
From what I understand you definitely need both for dps, one without the other is a huge nerf, which seems like where we are in pvp
mild thunder
From what I understand you definitely need both for dps, one without the other i...
that's the same as every spec in pvp
no one runs their 2 favoured dps stats
severe narwhal
Yeah I get that, but what I mean is that for arms, our two favoured dps stats have a closer link because of how they interact with our talents and each other
Haste feeds procs, for abilities that are designed to crit harder than most
And crit feeds into wild strikes which generates rage for spamming abilities
There's no interaction like that for say, a warlock. Who just picks the two best stats for dps, but if one is lacking, like in pvp it doesn't really impact the effect of the other. So they can just stack haste and do great damage
restive cobalt
What's the optimal arms pvp burst for rbgs, would it be war breaker, avatar, thu...
Anyone?
mild thunder
Yeah I get that, but what I mean is that for arms, our two favoured dps stats ha...
yea that's literally the same for a bulk of specs, it's not an arms issue... people were running full haste/mostly haste builds last season and through most of SL. the issue is the overbearing pvp nerfs on all our ms modifiers means we literally do s1 levels of damage
mild thunder
ww was hit way harder with crit nerfs than we were... they use keefers/FoF to buff their crit chance on rsk that reduces the CD on FoF so they can get more FoFs to RSK more etc... the difference is that their dmg is actually good and ours is bad
vapid tartan
This is assuming you’re running hurricane
restive cobalt
The burst you do in rbgs varies a lot tbh
I know but for the optimal cool down burst I would assume Is the order I put it in, just wanted input. I just came back to wow for dragonflight 4 weeks ago
mild thunder
I know but for the optimal cool down burst I would assume Is the order I put it ...
depends on build
depends on how many targets
restive cobalt
I am running hurricane
mild thunder
depends on whether you wanna pad or actually be useful
vapid tartan
Ok in that case
You want to clap bladestorm, while buff is active hit your kill target, call a sharpen maybe, roar and spread more bleeds. Once hurricane buff at 1s or 0s ava bladestorm
severe narwhal
yea that's literally the same for a bulk of specs, it's not an arms issue... peo...
Not saying you're wrong, because I haven't played every spec, but the ones I have played don't have dead talents because they can't stack both of their best dps stats
mild thunder
TC to apply rend > bladestorm to amp hurricane > warbreaker > TRoar > ss to cleave > rotation/bladestorm if you're gonna get cc'd
restive cobalt
Went against a war who doubled my damage today and it seemed due to my tclap uptime, so trying to make sure im bursting properly
vapid tartan
Dmg in rbgs isnt evedything
mild thunder
Not saying you're wrong, because I haven't played every spec, but the ones I hav...
arms also doesnt have dead talents because we dont stack crit, we have dead talents because they're nerfed in pvp
restive cobalt
Got it sounds good, will give that a shot
mild thunder
crit just isnt the issue
vapid tartan
You can pad a lot as warr and not do shit
restive cobalt
What's most important is keeping MS up as a war. And keeping up pressure
spice hornet
i seriously cant believe aug hasnt received further nerfs
its a tank, dps, healer all in one
vapid tartan
What's most important is keeping MS up as a war. And keeping up pressure
P much
mild thunder
You can pad a lot as warr and not do shit
that's all bladestorm does
vapid tartan
You should also be going on their big dam casters
mild thunder
if you're bstorming for dmg in rbgs you're legit trolling
vapid tartan
if you're bstorming for dmg in rbgs you're legit trolling
You’d be surprised
half the warriors I see sit in mid and just clap + spread dw
mild thunder
"hurr durr me pad dmg" while they literally cant kill anything because they never press mortal strike
vapid tartan
What's most important is keeping MS up as a war. And keeping up pressure
Also you have very good slows, try and use them on cd
vapid tartan
"hurr durr me pad dmg" while they literally cant kill anything because they neve...
Na it’s bc they insta sharpen lul
restive cobalt
Gotcha, I'm trying to get into the rhythm of using P howl Everytime it's up and I'm in the middle of a group, as well as fearing heals or in the opener
vapid tartan
You don’t understand bro my 70k sharpen followed by a 40k op will surely kill thru def 
severe narwhal
arms also doesnt have dead talents because we dont stack crit, we have dead tale...
Impale, sharpened blades, wild strikes are all talents that most arms warriors spec into but they are getting minimal value without a proper ammount of crit
mild thunder
Impale, sharpened blades, wild strikes are all talents that most arms warriors s...
sharpened blades sucks because it's nerfed in pvp
wild strikes is an insignificant talent regardless
impale is still fine, gives us a bit of extra crit value that we still use
restive cobalt
To contribute to the convo when it comes to rbg pvp im seeing verse - mast - haste - crit in that order for most top rbg wars
vapid tartan
Gotcha, I'm trying to get into the rhythm of using P howl Everytime it's up and ...
If you’re fighting on mid flag in eots or a base then slows arent as important but on fc map you gotta slow everyone on cd
restive cobalt
Yea I'm usually on D for flag maps and peeling like a mf
mild thunder
arms dmg sucks because skullsplitter, sharpened blades, fatality, bloodletting, exe precision, unhinged, spear, martial prowess, ms, op and exe are all nerfed in pvp
it really has nothing to do with crit
it's the fact that every meaningful/impactful talent we have has been dumpstered
vapid tartan
it's the fact that every meaningful/impactful talent we have has been dumpstered
Slampremacy
mild thunder
arms dmg sucks because skullsplitter, sharpened blades, fatality, bloodletting, ...
also, what a depressing list
can frame this one alongside the list of all the cool utility we've lost since early SL
remove battlelord, replace with enduring blow
unnerf martial prowess and exe precision
add slam to storm of swords
arms would do meaningful but not absurd damage and would feel way more fun to play
nocturne pawn
hey guys whats a good video to watch for fury warrior?
mild thunder
flarkness fury warrior guide
spice hornet
gala has good arms builds
green anchor
but chicken legs builds
vapid tartan
hey guys whats a good video to watch for fury warrior?
Not sure ab videos but joefernandes, mud and laros answer questions on stream
mild thunder
i feel like if you want an actually good warrior to watch/learn from, Mag is probably your best bet in terms of creators
if you want entertaining but semi-informative content, just watch bajheera
if you want neither, watch mud
tribal wedge
mud is probably the most "learning friendly" war streamer imo
north thicket
also, what a depressing list
Indeed, depressing... When a player logins he would at least expect a fair game not some shit show with a very biased tunning.
There is no way they would convince someone that it's okay to have classes/specs like rogues/mages/priests/locks/paladins being S-tier in both pve and pvp for prolonged periods of time. You can throw in also moonkins or whatever, ubertunning these for many of the past seasons has made feral an obsolete spec. (I have always liked feral a lot, and played as an alt but it's a full-time job to master it so I didn't.)
Some classes/specs come up and down regularly, like warriors, dks, shamans, hunters. They are given second-rate class treatment, dead/ubernerfed talents, no grand 'reworks'. Why?!
As far as I know, there is a rogue rework coming in the next patch. Same story like paladins - holy was already S-tier in M+ before rework. It took several weeks of nerfs to bring them in line nowadays, and they are still S-tier in both pve and pvp.
If sub/outlaw is already great what should one expect from this rework? World of Roguecraft? Didn't we already have enough rogues in the AWC finals this weekend?!
Whoever (in the dev team) is responsible for pvp and to a lesser extend class design is driving a lot players off the game. It costs a lot of lost subs, dead seasons, dead expansions if you like, to Blizzard. He has to go, like right now!
WoW e-sports AWC and MDI would have been much more successful if there weren't so many dev mistakes. Maybe not the biggest like LoL or whatever other games there are but at least 3x/4x bigger than its current viewership.
From my PoV their mistakes cost me time and wasted efforts. I am limiting that in the past several years, playing a few months on and off, but every single time I end up being disappointed. I don't play many games, in fact the only other game I play is Football Manager in new seasons.
I really want WoW to be vivid, successful and very lively in both pve and pvp. I have played about 2 full months in the current season and it's already a depressing gaming activity. Guess why?!
still notch
soooooo, I played a bit of both arms and fury last night, bought a set of green gear on both
I don't understand the arms rotation xD
and fury im assuming you hit everything that lights up when it lights up
tribal wedge
I don't understand the arms rotation xD
press Exec when you can, MS when it's up, if not overpower, if not Ignore pain if you are focus or Rend. And maintain harmstring every time.
if you want to hit a """""""big"""""""" ms for your burst opening, you may stack 2 OP before MS.
still notch
I seee, does overpower have a relation to ms?
Legit all I've played on warrior is prot since donkies xD
tribal wedge
a talent make your overpower buff your next MS (overnerfed talent)
still notch
I see, awesome, do I always wana make sure i get 2 stacks of overpower?
or just MS on CD untill cooldowns line up then double with sharpen blade
west mural
think u ms on cd
tribal wedge
no u ms on cd
west mural
for the dmg and debuff, also for the fact that u never know when your target is near u or not
same with rend on slippery classes
tribal wedge
but, if you want to open with a big MS while you are about to burst, you can save MS and press 2 times overpower, burst then MS
still notch
yeah fair enough 🙂 still tryin to get used to it xD
Fury seems very spammy haha
im trying both out to see what Its like
DO i go for 4piece?
mild thunder
Indeed, depressing... When a player logins he would at least expect a fair game ...
cant tell if troll
in case it isnt, warrior has historically been one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp, and usually pretty good in pve
im just gonna assume this is a troll because otherwise it's the worst warrior crybaby mentality even though arms has dominated pvp for like 20 years lol
north thicket
I get the crybaby mentality argument
But it's working right?
Mages, paladins have had the crybaby mentality for like ever
It's working for them right?
It's not working for warriors to be okay with everything thrown at them
Am I wrong or
I clearly remember in Cata when we had Throwdown
Arms was a bit of glass cannon but that mechanic at least gave you a chance vs mages
It is gone
Because mages wanted it gone
mild thunder
Mages, paladins have had the crybaby mentality for like ever
mage was pretty dead during parts of s1 outside of frost mage memes
and im pretty sure literally no mage prefers playing 1 button frost over the more fun fire mage from SL
paladin was pretty on-and-off before 10.0.7
hpala hasnt really been that dominant for most of DF, even their rework got insta gibbed with nerfs
mild thunder
It's not working for warriors to be okay with everything thrown at them
and yea, warriors cry like fucking bitches when they get nerfs lmao
"okay with everything thrown at them"
warrior was strong through most of SL, dominated s1/s2 while fury dominated s3/4
arms dominated the back-end of DF s1
and you can trace arms dominance through the entirety of arena history
north thicket
I don't get this cry like fucking bitches
If anything warriors are probably the one of least vocal player
mild thunder
mf out here thinking arms mains are ancient greek stoics
north thicket
Yes, the mf is thinking more or less that
It is what it is
= Fuck that bro more, he is a chad he is a man he is Arms
Look, I get that maybe you know better and it's looking good on your side
mild thunder
pretty much all of the nerfs arms received through season 1 were deserved, the issue now is that they've accumulated with other factors and a massive meta shift and now we need to be brought back into line slightly
but none of the actual nerfs were remotely unfair
mild thunder
what official channels
mild thunder
bro mud posts like 10x a day on forums
north thicket
It's a NOT victim mentality to have your voice heard
sage raptor
Yall slow down so I can catch up
north thicket
And actually get some answers
mild thunder
providing actual feedback isnt complaining, but people that write on forums dont usually provide actual feedback
sage raptor
You need numbers and data
mild thunder
it's usually a "REEEEEEE WHY CANT WE ONESHOT WITH MORTAL STRIKE REEEEEEEE"
sage raptor
Not just an essay on feelings
mild thunder
or "WW DOES X DAMAGE WHY CANT WE DO IT TOO" while ignoring that arms has infinitely more defensive utility
teal hedge
You guys even eaten a fly amanita?
mild thunder
You guys even eaten a fly amanita?
amanita eat your mums ass
north thicket
Essays on feelings works well for other classes
sage raptor
Idk if anyone has done it with warr but Taeznak made a forum post about DK and their short comings and they provided lists of numbers, charts. Graphs, etc. Maybe someone could do the same for warr?
north thicket
Mud did
teal hedge
amanita eat your mums ass
fallen estuary
i did as well
mild thunder
yea but mud also shitposts too much to ever be taken seriously
north thicket
and some trolls polluted the constructive thread
still notch
how come there are more representations of fury than arms?
is arms terrible or something?
teal hedge
Easier spec
mild thunder
suffer, with a hard R
teal hedge
Literally this easy
sage raptor
suffeR
mild thunder
popo the typa mf to say Rawr XD
teal hedge
Rawr x3
sage raptor
Nuh uh (yuh huh)
teal hedge
I mean he did send that weird oreo image
mild thunder
popo the kinda mf to say uwu
sage raptor
I have owospeak on my vulpera
teal hedge
Yeah, and he has hazbin hotel saved
mild thunder
I have owospeak on my vulpera
@sharp meteor sus
sage raptor
It's only for memes
teal hedge
@sharp meteor You being gentrified
sage raptor
No don't get electrified. That hurts
mild thunder
arms mains are being gentrified by the rogue elite
teal hedge
So true bestie
mild thunder
fr fr ong no cap
sage raptor
None at all?
teal hedge
🗣️FAX 💯🔥
sage raptor
You know what? I can't believe I'm going to do it but, you made me play this card. I am now smh my head.
teal hedge
Bro is burning the food 🔥🗣️
sage raptor
My favorite kind of information
sage raptor
Give me that negative information. Take information out of my brain and replace it with zug.
sage raptor
Uhm, actually sweaty, it's called "The Goop" 💅
teal hedge
Go on the forums / this channel and complain instead
mild thunder
it was singlehandedly the least fun ive ever had while playing a game
i was also base-sitting tho tbf
defs didnt help
north thicket
Go on the forums / this channel and complain instead
Indeed, he has to go to the forums
Provide feedback why it wasn't fun
teal hedge
As if blizzard listens
mild thunder
i could write a based af essay on the problems with arms/how to address it and what their goals for the spec should look like
but cba
teal hedge
Such a small indie team, I wouldn't want to bother them
north thicket
This is not the right mentality
teal hedge
What is the right mentality?
north thicket
'Ask for it and you will get it'
teal hedge
Beggar grindset
mild thunder
with a hard R
north thicket
So wrong that I don't know where to begin with
mild thunder
im gonna go into the human trafficking business, make millions 💸 💯 🔥
teal hedge
You'll brokies don't get this 🗣️
north thicket
Yeah, many Europeans don't get the American 'hustle'
teal hedge
Fax my brother, spit your shit indeed
north thicket
She is only 21, living her dream in Manhattan, working for 3k but spending 10k
teal hedge
These broke, underdeveloped and foul-smelling mainlanders don't get the way we do things
teal hedge
Can you guess what is she hustling?
Hidden rare-fish enterprise
mild thunder
surstromming fisher
north thicket
Indeed, fishing with legs open
teal hedge
What purpose does this serve
I feel like fishing in a proper stance would be more beneficial?
mild thunder
i can tell you what purpose your mum serves
teal hedge
She's a preschool teacher
mild thunder
nah imma leave that
wheat jay
Important role
teal hedge
Yeah, they're understaffed rn
wheat jay
No wonder
mild thunder
i would teach high school, fuck primary/kindergarten
mild thunder
Y'all na too, right?
fuck NA
wheat jay
Its safer in military than in schools for americans
teal hedge
I jest, lest?
mild thunder
bro doxxing the ocean
mild thunder
bro doxxing the inhabitant of 84 dutton street
undone pumice
still notch
what are your predictions for warrior in 10.1.7
teal hedge
35% ms nerf
undone pumice
it will use a 2 handed weapon and do physical damage
i have inside sources at blizz
trust me on that one
teal hedge
Crit reduced to 100% instead of 150%
undone pumice
silence swede
undone pumice
mild thunder
what are your predictions for warrior in 10.1.7
probably nothing
arms already had its tree reworked in 10.0.5, fury doesnt really need any major changes
at best there'll be some more tuning
green anchor
I want Execute to work like Touch of Death
minus the fucking delay in dmg delivery lmao
sage raptor
it will use a 2 handed weapon and do physical damage
Nuh uh!
boreal veldt
I'm thinking they may nerf slam, feels too strong
green anchor
yeah what's up with that doing like no damage for years
green anchor
Rend
still notch
Aye if rend is already up
green anchor
Rend
still notch
Do you just hit it again?
green anchor
yes it does more damage than Slam
still notch
Oh right xD does the dot stack up?
green anchor
unless you're running some goofy ahhh Slam build lol
charred onyx
i think they relegated heroic throw to a ranged threat generator for tanks but kept it on dps classes. its only use from what i can tell in pvp is keeping a rogue in combat
green anchor
Oh right xD does the dot stack up?
no but it will increase the duration from the initial application
by like 5sec?
mild thunder
yeah what's up with that doing like no damage for years
it's not really supposed to do dmg
still notch
I seeeeee
green anchor
but why
still notch
XD yeah
mild thunder
because that would be too strong
it has a cd because it's a threat mechanic
it's based around prot, it's just flavour for us and to make sure we can do some ranged stuff in old content
that's really the only reason we have it
green anchor
😩
fallen estuary
guys new arms buffs just got posted
+10% slam damage
dev notes
Who cares anymore
mild thunder
mfw when misinformation
green anchor
teal hedge
I think arms needs a nerf, actually
mild thunder
yes
green anchor
wtf doomposting
charred onyx
really wish they would get rid of cheat death mechanics
switched back to fury today after messing around with arms. is it just me or does fury really feel like it does no damage half the time
tribal wedge
Hmm, i play rb build, i am half stuffed and deal tons of damage
Ofc it s matchup dependent, but Fury deals
sharp meteor
The duality of man.
sharp meteor
switched back to fury today after messing around with arms. is it just me or doe...
Fury seems to have pretty reasonable output for the whole game.
charred onyx
i had the wrong talents on when i switched back
also
please someone explain to me how the dragons nullifying shroud works
it seems like such a busted ability
sharp meteor
please someone explain to me how the dragons nullifying shroud works
Eats 3 ccs, 30 sec duration, 90s cd
It's meant to kind of help fix their susceptibility to cc because they have negitive range
charred onyx
ah i thought it was just once cc
sharp meteor
Three times but can be dispelled
or sapped off
but yeah first 30 seconds of game can sometimes mean no cc on healer
charred onyx
still hate that ability. i was getting super confused because i assumed it immune one ability so i would storm bolt and then fear a few seconds later but still immuned
thanks
what tricked me is that, it worked before but i think someone dispelled it after my failed storm bolt because in one of my matches that idea worked
im guessing hamtring wouldnt get rid of one of the stacks?
this is what i get for taking a break from pvp for so long. i dont even know what classes do anymore lol
thick reef
im guessing hamtring wouldnt get rid of one of the stacks?
Hard CCs only
charred onyx
so are they still immune to the slow during its duration or can they be slowed with it on
sharp meteor
Immune to slows during Hover.
thick reef
so are they still immune to the slow during its duration or can they be slowed w...
Hover fucks your Hamstring
sharp meteor
Yep.
green anchor
how often is it that Blizz buff a spec that's been underperforming for quite some time and it ends up being OP
fresh needle
Hi guys
I know you can spell reflect hunters trap as a warrior but is it possible to spell reflect ring of frost ?
teal hedge
Nay
vapid tartan
You can bladestorm thru
fallen estuary
you can spell reflect a shock field by shamans
if you didnt know
weekend games are always with the angriest of players LMAO
sharp meteor
I know you can spell reflect hunters trap as a warrior but is it possible to spe...
I think if you storm and immune the ring then it can't freeze you again. Can't reflect it, though, and as Dab asys you can reflect to walk out of static field.
thick reef
I miss Fury Bladestorm
spice hornet
I like how double warrior lobbies are pretty much guaranteed losses when the warriors are on the same time
Team
stable siren
Yarg
fallen estuary
somehow 1st match noone won matches cause me and the shaman died at the same exact time and the warlock is a bot thats standing in 1 spot not moving and doing perfect rotations
stable siren
when we get the melee loby we pray an extra time
fallen estuary
i got 2/6 and i lose fucking 40 POINTS
i want to reach through my monitor and you know the rest
stable siren
it is wild tho u just randomly find people at 2.1 that get there by not moving and pveing
super fucking easy to train
that or maybe im hitting the wrong target
fallen estuary
yea but you can super fucking easily die as well
stable siren
yeah 100% ur the liability kekw
fallen estuary
sure Lmao
i love taking a trip down root street 24/7 and being prevented from playing my class the whole game
stable siren
i hate that u can be knocked up drung charge and just burn ur mobility
been watching more joefernandaz and at first i was like man why is he always angry and now im like
i get it
fallen estuary
or tstorm back into a root totem while warlock amp slows you
north thicket
Many bad things can happen during charge :)))
stable siren
Or the one that is better spear of bastion and they throw u real fucking far away
or being slowed in ur bladestorm ;c
fallen estuary
i cant wait till they finally revert all the nerfs and just let us loose. its insane how casters have next to 0 modifiers on most their abilities and could just 100-0 you in just a root. let us free blizzard revert the nerfs
wheat jay
i cant wait till they finally revert all the nerfs and just let us loose. its in...
So in 10.2 when tuning comes
And meta shifts again
fallen estuary
yea i already got my rewards
im fucking done this season
que into a fmage duo balance lobby
0/6 it
frank knoll
Man is warrior even worth playing
fallen estuary
untill 1800
fallen estuary
thats when the fun ends
north thicket
ah I see
fallen estuary
i got to 2100 by chance before the dk rework by getting melee lobbies non stop
but casters WIDELY dominate 2k+
i got 1tapped by a ray of frost from 100-0. utterly insane. while my mortal strike hits for 30k
north thicket
I don't know what to say
Galachad was explaining earlier in the day that we are fine
and all the nerfs are/were deserved
and that we should man up and not complain :)))
fallen estuary
yea dont let the warlocks gaslight you into thinking we are strong
north thicket
well said
mild thunder
Galachad was explaining earlier in the day that we are fine
Bro is not being dishonest at alllllll
fallen estuary
yea yea yea summon imp all you want you are a liar
north thicket
Bro can't make up his mind if warriors are slightly weak, fair or whatever
mild thunder
Warrior is not as bad as this discord makes it out to be. It’s far from a top spec, but it’s still perfectly viable for most things.
fallen estuary
no, i did not agree to that
warrior nerfs were 100% unfair while mages and druids were left in their state for nearly 6 weeks after the patch was released
mild thunder
That’s cool bro, I wasn’t talking to you tho
fallen estuary
skullsplitter was our only shining hope in the sea of nerfs and they nerfed that but gave druids a 50% full moon buff
cool then state who you are talking to. i dont care you will listen either way
warlock
fallen estuary
Warrior is not as bad as this discord makes it out to be. It’s far from a top sp...
viable for pve
fallen estuary
arms is dead in the water in pvp. when 1 ray of frost can kill you through a dbts yea arms is far from being viable. when we are still in our S1 stats and scaling we are far from viable
sharp meteor
fallen estuary
i fucking hate monks
sharp meteor
I just pretend I'm pressing Mortal Strike. 
mild thunder
arms is dead in the water in pvp. when 1 ray of frost can kill you through a dbt...
Just kick the ray 4head
fallen estuary
sure ill line it as well while they channel it through the wall to be sure
mild thunder
I mean, if you’re gonna ignore the fact that WoW is a team game where you have other people doing things for you as well, I’ll also say some dumb shit like “kick the ray”
fallen estuary
im talking about the uncoordinated gamemode durr. i know that in the team brackets ray would be a prior but when the druid on your teams more focused on killing a healer than assisting a teammate theres nothing i can do about it myself to stop it. which means arms needs buffs. alot of them warlock
fallen estuary
Skill issue
for the druid
fallen estuary
Don’t play shuffle
cant make me
mild thunder
I don’t care about making you, but shuffle is a meme bracket idgaf about what’s good/bad in it
It’s about as meaningful as saying nerf rdruid because it’s strong in 2s
fallen estuary
then why are you talking then? its the most popular gamemode in which im talking about
mild thunder
What you’re asking for is essentially an elimination of class identity, because in order to not rely on your teammates to any degree in shuffle, every spec needs to be able to solve all problems for themselves
And that would fundamentally break arena and would be boring af
fallen estuary
wow its like paladins identity was ruined for a 60 yd verdict and is now a caster class. dks are now identifibly ruined cause htye have clawing shadows and dont summon a dead army now and is a caster class
wheat jay
Not meme ones
mild thunder
Get some fucking friends and play normal brackets
Only valid opinion
fallen estuary
its kinda like blizzard doesnt fucking care about identity anymore
sharp meteor
Just gotta have the right mindset for shuffle and it's a cozy time.
fallen estuary
give me a 60 yd pummel and a 100yd mortal strike
fallen estuary
everyone else has one
mild thunder
wow its like paladins identity was ruined for a 60 yd verdict and is now a caste...
You realise they’ve always been magic/melee hybrids with range, right?
Or are you legit a retard
fallen estuary
oh judgement is sooo caster
ooo death coils soooo caster
they now have full caster builds
wheat jay
Its ranged, not caster tho
mild thunder
They've both had ranged sources of output in the past.
Literally forever
wheat jay
They dont cast
sharp meteor
Instant casts.
fallen estuary
their fillers and primarys are now at a ranged while warriors are stuck hitting things at a melees range
wheat jay
Semantics i guess
sharp meteor
Can't be cast while locked/silenced. 
fallen estuary
ranged and caster is same thing. no caster hard casts anymore
wheat jay
Destro
mild thunder
Yea the magical melee have long range abilities and warriors don’t
fallen estuary
100% destro
mild thunder
How is that not the way it should be
fallen estuary
thats one ability
wheat jay
Arcane mage too
wheat jay
Balance casts quite a bit too now
fallen estuary
so they dont cast they channel
mild thunder
Ww, rogue, ferak don’t either
wheat jay
Spriest casts quite a lot as well
fallen estuary
ww and rouge and ferals a caster as well
wheat jay
Huh
fallen estuary
idk whats your point galawarlockgodx
mild thunder
Bro you’re actually deranged
fallen estuary
why are you against warriors getting buffs
mild thunder
Idk what else to say
fallen estuary
its almost like you want the class to fail
wheat jay
Cuz any buff warrior gets puts it in broken tier again 
fallen estuary
oh so IM the derranged one for pointing out the obvious that we have 0 ranged abilities
ok warlock
wheat jay
Literally every build got gutted because Mud was oneshotting poeple with it
fallen estuary
hes to blame mostly for nerfs ngl
wheat jay
Why should warrior have ANY ranged?
mild thunder
I’ve literally outlined how they could buff the spec to make it more viable/fix the rotation in 3 easy steps
Multiple times
wheat jay
Makes 0 sense for warr to have anything ranged
wheat jay
And you have oneshots again
fallen estuary
while on the side give us a 50% crit damage bonus as well
wheat jay
People doing 300k mortals etc
Wait so you just want to be meta again, not change gameplay or anything?
fallen estuary
if we are stuck in melee range we should HURT when we connect
wheat jay
You can connect tho
mild thunder
Wait so you just want to be meta again, not change gameplay or anything?
This is the mindset of most warrior mains tbh
wheat jay
Unless you use mobility like a monkey and charge weave like its pve raid
mild thunder
Actually so cringe
fallen estuary
why charge when every other class can easily escape you
just /walk the whole game
we need massive mobility buffs and damage buffs
we need a 3rd charge
wheat jay
Bro you aint serious now, are you?
mild thunder
It’s so cringe when people hide behind trolling because they’re genuinely too dumb to give a real opinion
fallen estuary
im 100% serious
wheat jay
Any of you remember warrior being the apex predator of wow in s2 shadowlands with one charge and one heroic leap?
And everyone else having more kiting tools than now?
fallen estuary
??? im supposed to take your opinion seriously when you dont even main a warrior gala? warlock
even mud 100% backs up that we need these changes
mild thunder
I don’t main warrior bexause I graduated from pressing two buttons
wheat jay
Cuz Mud is a oneshot montage creator
mild thunder
You’re not asking for a rework, blud, you’re asking to be SS tier
wheat jay
No class should be ss tier
mild thunder
It’s not like arms was SS tier… in s1 or SL
wheat jay
Anything that is deserves a nerf
mild thunder
Anyone remember 10.0.5?
fallen estuary
so we are just going to ignore druids, mages,warlock
north thicket
I don’t main warrior bexause I graduated from pressing two buttons
sorry mate but can we stop pretending that wow is a rocket science and that every other class has more iq that warris
wheat jay
They deserve nerfs, yes, noone is defending them lol
fallen estuary
sorry mate but can we stop pretending that wow is a rocket science and that ever...
👍
wheat jay
sorry mate but can we stop pretending that wow is a rocket science and that ever...
Dh has less i guess
Bm too
north thicket
Locks have phd in theoretical physics right?
mild thunder
sorry mate but can we stop pretending that wow is a rocket science and that ever...
Go play literally anything other than arms or fury. Are they rocket science? No. But you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think arms is one of the most straightforward and forgiving specs in the game
wheat jay
But tbh fury was kinda braindead easy to get 1800 with ngl
Dont need positioning
Don't need setups for burst or anything
Cc is just storm bolt kill target
Done
mild thunder
Chad rb user
mild thunder
Pre much
north thicket
Why did you shifted the focus from 'class needs some buffs because it's underperforming' to 'class is easy to play'
I am having a hard time following the logic
mild thunder
Because you brought it up…?
north thicket
I didn't?
mild thunder
sorry mate but can we stop pretending that wow is a rocket science and that ever...
Umm
north thicket
Scroll up read your 2 buttons message
wheat jay
sorry mate but can we stop pretending that wow is a rocket science and that ever...
Here
mild thunder
I don’t main warrior bexause I graduated from pressing two buttons
And yea I was explaining why I don’t play warrior
north thicket
I don’t main warrior bexause I graduated from pressing two buttons
here
do I have to quote it again?
mild thunder
do I have to quote it again?
Considering I literally brought it up already, probably not
north thicket
Cool
mild thunder
Smh galachad you press three now...
Actually I play fury of the eagle for an extra button 
wheat jay
Either way, warr doesnt need buffs, top shit needs some nerfs
wheat jay
Actually I play fury of the eagle for an extra button <:xeos:945501697847992341>
I did that last season too
Was fun
Wish it was doing more dmg
wheat jay
Hmm maybe worth a try again
wheat jay
It was basically a kill on dh or monk last season if they were below 35%
mild thunder
But still with chakrams rolling and explo ticking it works well
Chakrams > explo > fury > KS/flanking to finish them off
Feels good
mild thunder
Very cool
mild thunder
Spearhead kinda funny too no cap
wheat jay
Spearhead weak as fuck tho
mild thunder
Kite a dps to one side of map, spearhead their healer and be 100yd away lol
wheat jay
I don't like it
wheat jay
It is, still weak
Id rather see removal of burst from survi and return of flayed
To have unhealable dmg again
Unhealable consistent damage
mild thunder
Nah I love the chakrams, explo, flank combo too much
wheat jay
I don't xD
mild thunder
Tbf I don’t think the consistent dmg is remotely bad rn
wheat jay
I liked survi more in shadowlands
mild thunder
Esp with tier
wheat jay
Still, was more fun in shadowlands
mild thunder
Flayed was cool
wheat jay
Damage was just the same whole game
mild thunder
But the SL tier was boring and cringe
wheat jay
Ye later on it was boring
And almost every survi played like a pussye
Hiding behind pillar praying for tier procs
mild thunder
I miss sickle on my feral
wheat jay
Meanwhile I played it like warrior xD
wheat jay
Hated sickle xD
fallen estuary
List of demands
buff mortal strike 90%
give us an extra leap
give us 2 more charges
give us a alter time
give us a 50% more crit damage buff
give us a harder hitting heroic throw
give us shield slam dispells
give us MOP 2nd wind
give us enrage back
give us unnerfed mastery back
give us a 90% buff to ignore pain
give us heroic strike
remove slam
unnerf all mortal strike modifiers
if mages can have 8 charges warriors should have 8 charges
mild thunder
Only sane take you’ve ever given
fallen estuary
we need a ret rework scale of a buff
mild thunder
K redemption arc????
wheat jay
List of demands
buff mortal strike 90%
give us an extra leap
give us 2 more cha...
So, basically you want more damage
Cuz other things on the list dont rly matter xD
wheat jay
So, you just want to be meta
Why not just roll meta?
You can play unholy dk
Still plate
fallen estuary
cause i play warrior
wheat jay
Is the best plate dps spec at the moment
fallen estuary
i dont play other soy classes other than warrior
fallen estuary
well i tried it and didnt like it
wheat jay
Wait, gonna ask something okay?
You play warrior
You got 2.1k
You play shuffle only?
fallen estuary
yea
fallen estuary
List of demands
buff mortal strike 90%
give us an extra leap
give us 2 more charges
give us a alter time
give us a 50% more crit damage buff
give us a harder hitting heroic throw
give us shield slam dispells
give us MOP 2nd wind
give us enrage back
give us unnerfed mastery back
give us a 90% buff to ignore pain
give us heroic strike
remove slam
unnerf all mortal strike modifiers
sure im from E U LMAO
mild thunder
Learn Russian 4head
wheat jay
I play eu too, never had issues with lfg, even at low cr games this season
mild thunder
I place oce and I don’t have issues finding people to queue with
wheat jay
So basically how you play 3s long term is you lfg and when you find someone good or someone who you like playing with, you sens them invite to friendlist
mild thunder
You people have no excuse
wheat jay
Like 2 weeks ago
Took us like 10min to find a healer
And that's because my friend was picky xD
mild thunder
The issue with Lfg is people always wanting to blame the pug when something goes wrong 
There’s not actually as bad of a shortage as people say
mild thunder
Well we were on alts
Yea but I doubt he gets to say glad xp tbf
scarlet flame
cringe
mild thunder
Based
fallen estuary
thats insanely funny
last season i hit 2600 on SS and put that in my xp and joined some dudes 2k push and tanked him like 300 rating in one night
he had a mental breakdown cause of it
fallen estuary
i mean its not my problem 🤷 i got my rewards already
wheat jay
Smh that's why people hate warriors
fallen estuary
no thats why people hate me
fallen estuary
i had nothing else to do that season
had to do something fun before it ended
dont worry it was a resto druid
fallen estuary
s1 they were busted, i had no emotions
mild thunder
Smh i like rdruids
Real
fallen estuary
now in this season i que as prot, a new form of torture the masses have no idea what they are queing into
oh i told the dude "ok next one we got this"
and since i had elite he believed me
he was so damn sad LMAO
wheat jay
Least masculine warrior main Has been found
fallen estuary
i said dawg i had so much fun!
i mean making people suffer for being op is so fun
try it sometimes
wheat jay
Nah i prefer being the op guy
wheat jay
We're not
wheat jay
Cuz I dont main warr
fallen estuary
ok good so since you are here you do agree we need buffs then
wheat jay
Y'all can rot in the D tier forever
fallen estuary
perfect advertisement material for my political campaign to buff warriors
mild thunder
Arms ain’t even D tier bruh, it’s B at worst
thick reef
But what about the forbidden spec
fallen estuary
warlock moment when they change their minds
mild thunder
But what about the forbidden spec
Glad stance prot
fallen estuary
yea buff that by another 10% pls
thick reef
Glad stance prot
DONT GET MY FUCKING HOPES UP BRO
wheat jay
Hate tanka in arena
fallen estuary
you can thank the corporation known as warlock
wheat jay
Tbf I hate prot playstyle now, it’s so boring
In pve its fun imo
fallen estuary
for them not brining it back
wheat jay
I believe the corporation is called Blizzard
fallen estuary
that as well with the cali creatures they have employed as well
mild thunder
In pve its fun imo
cap
i think im gonna tank keys on brm next season
i cant decide on a pve main, help me @wheat jay
mild thunder
boring
im playing sv atm, feels pretty good
but gonna go back to either ww or feral, or maybe rogeu
mild thunder
💔
sharp meteor
now in this season i que as prot, a new form of torture the masses have no idea ...
Prot kind of flops and flips between being solid to unplayable depending on lobby.
It's the Warr doing most of the suffering.
mild thunder
K redemption arc ended very quickly
tons of abilities require stuff like /cancelaura macros, it's a part of playing games like wow
they could allow bladestorm to be more easily canceled by allowing you to toggle it off by pressing it again
but that would just require a different /cast !bladestorm macro because people spam their keys
fallen estuary
Prot kind of flops and flips between being solid to unplayable depending on lobb...
Yea i got 2 b2b caster lobbies and dropped 150 rating as prot. Caster lobbies are WAAAAYYY more butal as prot. Damn 70% inc damage kills you FAST
mild thunder
bladestorm is one of, if not the most, iconic ability for arms
they're never removing it and it would be a massive nerf if they did
sharp meteor
Yea i got 2 b2b caster lobbies and dropped 150 rating as prot. Caster lobbies ar...
Yeah, just kind of deadge with no damage.
sharp meteor
Hoping for another 5-8% aura dmg buff.
fallen estuary
Yea theres nothing to protect in those lobbies except yourself behind a pillar lmfao
mild thunder
no?
sharp meteor
I wll press on against all odds on this god awful spec.
fallen estuary
Same
mild thunder
you realise they wouldnt have to remove bladestorm to add that, right?
ntm bladestorm is pretty important for arms aoe
being a storm of weapons? yea, that's totally not fitting for a warrior class fantasy...
how is it clunky? lmao
and yea tbc, bladestorm has had periods where it does meaningful burst and it's just OP when it does
and less fun to play because you have to waste a major utility CD on dmg
yea i dont understand why you think they have to replace it
instead of just... adding something new
bladestorm is pretty vital to how arms plays arena, they cant really outright remove it
or arms turns into fury where it just doesnt have the tankiness/cc avoidance to use its own utility
what's the point of intervening if you're just gonna get kidney'd and die
yea that's not even remotely one of the issues with arena
it's not like bladestorm comes without restriction/downside... you cant stick to targets with high mobility, you're forgoing damage, you risk breaking cc, you're vulnerable afterward etc.
yea that's a rotational issue
the class is extremely dumbed down
because a lot of retards play it
there's a couple melee classes (warr, dh, dk...) that feel as though blizz has opted to turn them into retard-friendly specs
i kinda disagree with this, but the rage economy rn is really dumb... IP fundamentally isn't poorly designed, it plays really well into the idea that arms is a balanced, semi-tank spec
unfortunately rn we also dont have anywhere else to put that rage
the biggest issue is battlelord
it's not?
but arms has always been, and the class fantasy partially is, to be a balanced spec
that's not even slightly the class fantasy of arms lmao
if you want that, go play ww or rogue
fallen estuary
Arms should be like ret paladins. Killing you in a global from half way across the map
mild thunder
arms isnt, and never should be a glass cannon one-shot in-and-out spec
fallen estuary
Its a glass cannon without the damage rn
fallen estuary
Its glass lmao
Its no cannon its just glass lmao
We need a 100% ignore pain buff
Yea we should keep our teammates alive like prot
mild thunder
luckily it isnt
but the fact is arms needs to be tanky to get value out of the utility it brings
fallen estuary
Bring back intervene wall
mild thunder
and that's the role it has always tried to fill
fallen estuary
And mortal combo as well
mild thunder
you're advocating for a class fantasy arms has never had and other specs exemplify
literally go play ww
if that's what you're after
violet fossil
mop arms best arms
fallen estuary
Class fantasy doesnt exist
violet fossil
i miss it so much
fallen estuary
This is 2023 blizzard
mild thunder
also ironic that you left out "battle-hardened" which implies some degree of tankiness and/or resilience
unique fox
There's no real men working at Blizz anymore, which is why they don't know what to do with arms warriors
mild thunder
so... FoF?
violet fossil
this aint lost ark
mild thunder
you just said arms should get FoF
again
go
play
ww
everything you're saying arms should be/get, ww is
fallen estuary
Warlock telling warriors to play his hard counters LOL
mild thunder
why? what class fantasy is being fulfilled by arms somehow being immune to spells? we're warriors lol
unique fox
Didnt spell reflect reflect everything for like 5s in BFA
mild thunder
yea, very dumb
fallen estuary
Our fantasy is ripping you in half but ong fr blizzard made casters immortal so yea buff warriors
fallen estuary
Fuck casters
mild thunder
if people want 5s SR, it needs to be dispellable or something
fallen estuary
Its not magic durr
mild thunder
i think 2s would be okay tho
unique fox
With all the incidental and random garbage you reflect it feels so bad sometimes
mild thunder
so now you wanna play sv hunter?
unique fox
Reflected (Blazing Barrier)
mild thunder
or outlaw rogue
you keep saying "I want warrior to be X", but X already exists
they cant just delete or steal spells from other specs and infinitely add them to warrior
the niche that arms has historically filled in pvp is that of a durable, resilient melee that can deal strong damage and has great utility to keep their team alive and in the fight
we've seen that with abilities like rally, banner, intervene, ip etc.
i see no real reason for them to deviate from that very popular, very liked fantasy
the issue rn is warrior struggles to fill that niche
if you said you wanted stuff like iron maelstrom from d4, where arms swaps between an arsenal of weapons for an ability, that'd be cool
but you're asking for warrior to become some assassin-esque yasuo arpg character that it simply isnt
mild thunder
if you wanted a LoL example the closer one would be something like Darius
arms doesnt feel like a tanky warrior with bleeds and strong cc?
we even have heroic leap/execute like darius ult lol
arms cant really afford to have less mobility than it does now, or we would need a ton of stuff to make up for it (like DK/ret)
where?
the archetypal wow warrior are characters like garrosh, varian, varok, broxigar
and yea the burning blade is not anything remotely similar to yasuo
except they wear a robe lol
they're still big, burly orc warriors
they're not doing any fancy dash, ult port in/out shit
true, it's not like warrior has multiple abilities from the garrosh raid fight
actually i think we've lost a few 
charred onyx
imo arms playstyle feels better to play than it has since MoP purely from a design
mild thunder
could they do more to enhance the warrior class fantasy? absolutely, but that stuff is mostly aesthetic or flavour with some adjustments to rotation
arms is a juggernaut archetype... that's called being a tanky melee
tanky, unstoppable, good dmg
lapis storm
You forgot the part of being rooted every 10 seconds
mild thunder
standing still and slashing your sword around is more flavorful?
bro you're just saying random shit
lapis storm
Juggernaut hasn't played against a arcane mage supposedly
Give warrior a scorpion pull with a chain and I'll be happy
mild thunder
you're new to wow, right?
honest sundial
mild thunder
im gonna hit that with the /doubt, but anyway... what i was gonna say is that i just dont think you've played the game/been around long enough to have your opinion on class fantasy taken seriously
might sound toxic, but i'll stand by it
most of what you've suggested are just random arpg/moba mechanics that dont really fit wow
or they're things that already exist in the game on other specs
saying iconic abilities like bladestorm should be removed and that the entire class fantasy of arms that everyone has gotten behind/gotten used to should be radically changed to an assassin-like glass cannon only really proves my point
i've commented before on the issues with class fantasy for arms, but the difference is all your suggestions were bad
no it's like going to your friends house and when his mum cooks dinner you try and tell her what spaghetti and meatballs should really taste like
charred onyx
but its not really shitty. the class plays in a fun way imo
mild thunder
when they've had a family recipe for 10 generations
mild thunder
also clean mog o7
mud really out here imitating mud
idc if you doom, my issue is that all the problems you're pointing out arent the right ones and your suggestions are bad
im pretty sure you're the only one that really thinks of that as a real issue
that's just part-and-parcel with playing games like wow, it's not like macros are complex
charred onyx
its not that hard to make a macro and once its made, it feels the exact same as if the game did the canceling for you
mild thunder
it's not like using said macro is a 3rd party implement that breaks the game or feels any worse than if you were to do it manually
charred onyx
also the hurricane talent prevents even macros from cancelling it
charred onyx
arent you just wanting to play a frost dk then
mild thunder
and dh isnt really a monument to good class design
nor is fury
neither sweeping nor bladestorm really try to be that way, they've been in the game since wow was a very old-school mmorpg
charred onyx
like dks are this immobile class that is supposed to be scary if it connects, closest thing to the juggernaut your talking about ever existing on wow
although UH became a ranged poison class
your describing something that sounds extremely bad to play in pvp. low mobility, no way to catch the target
oh so easily killed and easily kited
because DH's are not anywhere close to being a juggernaught with wings
i mean anything thats low mobility with no grip and no ranged attacks, is dead in wow pvp
it might be a cool idea in dungeons and pve but casters would make such an idea just unplayable unless you made it super overpowered to overcome the lack of ability to catch anybody
arpgs also arent known for their long lasting good pvp design. have fun eating
mild thunder
what does "immobile but like DH" mean?
the core of DH is being mobile
this is just slightly-different bladestorm which you were complaining about earlier
also sounds ridiculously OP if it's something you can just toggle on/off
yea that's... still ridiculously OP
you mean cleave?
an ability we already have
mortal strike should be (insert cleave here)
no it's not
it's an aoe frontal slash
this is what i mean when i say i just dont think you've played the game long enough to have your opinion taken seriously
you just dont seem to know the class
nah everyonr hates sks
it's shitty design, anti-thetical to our mastery
and no one wants arms to be a bleed spec
yea nah
we've had that
surprise, no one liked it
if you wanna play arms bleed damp spec go find a bfa private server
yep, and no one really likes it
shock
synergy =/= good
arms has tons of synergy rn, doesnt mean it's fun/well-designed
what you suggested really doesnt change how we apply bleeds?
people dont like sks because it feels clunky to have to reapply rend and deep wounds and costs a ton of globals, and it turns the spec into a gimmick by removing power from mortal strike, execute etc.