pvp

[scarlet flame]

like arms has no impact solo

fury also

you need your partner to do dps for your damage to matter

its boring

[mild thunder]

yea, the thing is slam doesnt have to do just "good" dmg... it's costing you 4 talent points AND it's majorly fucking up your rotation to use

[vapid tartan]

wait till you get slammed 3 times in a row bro its over for you

[scarlet flame]

no burst, cds mean nothing, cc is short

also what gala said

[vapid tartan]

yeah

[scarlet flame]

if they turned slam into what the 4 piece was it would be interesting

like make slam a rage dump type thing

[vapid tartan]

i mean hey they changed 4p from slam to ms, maybe theyll do it here too xd

[scarlet flame]

make slam a CD that does 250k damage like glacial spike or full moon why not

[vapid tartan]

just see no way you press slam unless its like melee cleave reck window with no op or ms

[fallen solar]

Should I be stacking mastery or haste on fury?

[vapid tartan]

mast

[fallen solar]

How much haste is fine?

[mild thunder]

20% is plenty

as arms

oh wait, fury

[vapid tartan]

tbh just get as much mastery as you can on fury

[mild thunder]

10% is fine

[fallen solar]

I got 28 haste and 25 mastery lmao

[vapid tartan]

drop that haste for mast

[fallen solar]

I got full conquest gear too

[scarlet flame]

i think im running to much haste on my warrior, not like it matters now tho

[vapid tartan]

def more haste than you need since you get tons from frenzy stacks. Can just go mostly mast and get something like this

[mild thunder]

yea i think sending mastery is the way th

tbh

for both specs

[scarlet flame]

i have 32% haste

tbf i haven't tested at all because it feels bad to play

maybe i should send more

[vapid tartan]

Started running 22% haste 30% mast ms just feels like a noodle without mast

How big of a nerf are the sp changes? Look nice for us

[fallen solar]

👍🏻

[west mural]

i don't like how haste feels for arms either

any1 mess around with more mast/crit?

[mild thunder]

@scarlet flame

look at that juicy RSK

[scarlet flame]

sheeet

avg crit 149k

remember when ms did that

i do

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

whats the serenity nerf gunna do to you guys

[mild thunder]

not much since we're getting other buffs tbh

[scarlet flame]

ahh ig you are getting some good buffs

damn thats crazy

5% serenity nerf but buffs across the rest of your damage outside fof

i bet warriors not getting damage buffs because you can crit 300k in pve

[lyric violet]

War buffs

[mild thunder]

yup, it's pre good

[lyric violet]

Bladestorm 40% buff

👀

[scarlet flame]

warrior nerfs

actually

[mild thunder]

we probably lose a touch of top-end burst, but get more sustained

[scarlet flame]

unhinged 60%

they want to buff our sustainted damage but our sustainted damage is dogshit without someone who can actually do damage to the target

our cds mean nothing

we sharpen and our teammate does 90k dps

[mild thunder]

arms sustained means even less

[scarlet flame]

we dont matter at all

we are a walking sharpen

literally frost dk

[mild thunder]

what's the point of sharpen if i can just onetap with rsk in the global it takes you to get a sharpened ms off

[scarlet flame]

im gunna level a monk

[mild thunder]

fair

[scarlet flame]

you guys think i can hit 2400 shuffle on the dk faster than the class i've played for 15 years

[mild thunder]

yes

[scarlet flame]

ive gotta achieved all the goals i've set for myself this season so far

last season i wanted 2100 on warrior but i got suspended for saying fuck me and then ret got op so i quit

maybe this is the season i make friends and q 3s

[thick reef]

just do solo shuffle and GET OUTTA UR MIND

[scarlet flame]

i like solo shuffle because its easy to q

but id rather play 3s and get better at 3s

[thick reef]

yea shuffle is fun but probably not the best place to improve

[scarlet flame]

i think its a great place to learn the mechanics of pvp

[mild thunder]

it is not fun

[thick reef]

Idm it if it’s not a lobby full of casters

[scarlet flame]

the wrost thing SS did was give people an ego for getting ratings they've never got before

assuming your xp in ss translates to 3s is embarrassing

[thick reef]

Hahahaahahah ego in dead mini game wow players are the funniest

[scarlet flame]

its what puts me off from trying to play 3s lmfao

[undone pumice]

bros been gaming warrior as long as ive been breathing

[ruby temple]

They really want us to use slam in pvp huh

[scarlet flame]

sheesh im not that old

[thick reef]

LFG life tbh, nah youll meet some ledgends out there you just gotta go thru all the nonces first

[scarlet flame]

i like 2s a lot

[ruby temple]

Need to just trick some friends into playing with you until 1400. My arena partners took this season off and when I was trying to put with 0 rating it really put me off

Lotta meta playing converts with mega brain plays zzzz

[scarlet flame]

i found a priest im on a 6 game win streak with thats prety cool

when we're done i might ask to be friends 😄

[thick reef]

100%

[ruby temple]

Damn that's forward af 🥰🥰🥰

[scarlet flame]

im foward like that 😉

[ruby temple]

I made a priest friend last season but I've never seen him again 😦

He said "I don't pvp that much just for fun" and then disappeared for 3 months now

[scarlet flame]

😦

i have good news

we went 8-2 and he added me to bnet to play 3s sometime

we also gained 120 rating lmfao

[vapid tartan]

Just say yr mglad old acc got deleted and if u lose gaslight them into thinking it’s their fault

[scarlet flame]

thats not me i cant do that

[opal acorn]

So they buffed us a bit

But pepega buffs eh?

Like buffing ravanger lmao

[scarlet flame]

execute buff is nice for fury

[muted surge]

Let’s go slam!

The buffs seem useless, and are you even taking unhinged anymore?

[scarlet flame]

i mean what would you take other than that

i dont think you run blademasters anymore

[opal acorn]

Ye slam buff too 🤭

[muted surge]

Idk anything else

[hard vector]

so we will replace Unhinged after next reset or

[scarlet flame]

hunters really didn't need a damage buff

[wheat jay]

Thanks Blizzard

[scarlet flame]

how did this guy go from 41% to 13%

[wheat jay]

Hp buff ran out?

[scarlet flame]

i didn't see any but maybe

[hot solstice]

blademaster tornment useless?

[scarlet flame]

did impending victory get nerfed

nvm

[mild thunder]

still rerolling?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge can you SR karma application?

[fickle forge]

Bladestorm suddenly an ability now

[opal acorn]

If it not enough u got slam to use, it got buffed🤭

[last turret]

wtf is this buffs to warrior?? hahaa slam??

[scarlet flame]

it almost feels like s1 again

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet your dk 70 yet? im waiting

[mild thunder]

add another 100k and you might be at s1 lvls

ok but

[scarlet flame]

those were wrong chat

sorry

[mild thunder]

you also need to stack 2x op for that dmg

[scarlet flame]

it was also on a rogue

and i had avatar up

and cs

and a trinket proc

[mild thunder]

i can just rsk > BoK > rsk

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

and they all do >150k

[scarlet flame]

i beat this monk too btw

its so shocking

[mild thunder]

bro that monk sucks

no cap

[scarlet flame]

how much of a loser

you feel like on a warrior

oh yeah ik he sucks

it was like 1700

[mild thunder]

why was bro not critting

[scarlet flame]

but he almost 1 shot my shaman healer like 5 times

[mild thunder]

he must be goofing his rotation

[scarlet flame]

yeah he was actually awful

i disarmed every serenity

like dude trained my shaman all game and lost hard for it

but the fact this guy could play like shit and i have to try so hard to win lmao

i feel like i can't do anything on the war, compared to the dk i feel like i can do anything

i can range kick, i can grip 40 yards away, i can do damage from range and melee

my burst is scary

i just wanted to fuck around with mastery and its some more damage but i actually tilt on warrior and on dk its all chill idgaf

[mild thunder]

ye warr

is ass

no caop

cap

you just cant control or dominate games

literal passenger spec

[scarlet flame]

just butthole

i hate it

[mild thunder]

very real

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

i mean imagine bladestorm criting 90k

[mild thunder]

except bladestorm also parried all abilities

and had like a 10sec cd

[scarlet flame]

guy in dk discord said 40% bs buff is great

40% on 12k ticks

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

bladestorm isnt even good in keys

you just use it for merciless bonegrinder lol

[scarlet flame]

it did 79k damage to a 0 vers priest

total

[mild thunder]

omg broken!!!???

[scarlet flame]

it would do 100k damage ot the same priest with 40% buff

100k over 5 seconds with nothing useable

1.5m cd btw

[scarlet flame]

this guy is pissed btw

[mild thunder]

i would be lol

94k ticks on FoF

is dumbbb

[scarlet flame]

imagine a 200k rsk after

how come monks have so many gap closers btw

i feel like i can't peel them

are they good into casters

[mild thunder]

keefers makes them basically unkiteable

it's condemn charge but better

[scarlet flame]

what fucking world do these people live in

[mild thunder]

dueling someone with 0 vers probably

[scarlet flame]

i got baited by people playing spear build

saying ms doesn't crit for 70k

[mild thunder]

it might crit for like

90k

with spear build

lul

[scarlet flame]

im straight up being trolled

[mild thunder]

what stream is this

[scarlet flame]

i get baited to easily from this day onwards ill never be baited again

mes

[mild thunder]

i wanna go talk shit

aight bet

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

bro why is this guy crying so hard

[scarlet flame]

i dont know i just said he was wrong and hes bitching like crazy

[mild thunder]

"stop being so defensive"

• the guy crying because he was told he's wrong

[frosty nexus]

bro i fully removed slam from my action bars now i gotta find a bind for it again

god damnit

[scarlet flame]

no u dont

its trash still

[frosty nexus]

unless it still does 0 dmg after a 37% buff

thats still possible

[mild thunder]

people falling for the slam bait

maybe this is the buff that'll make it good

[scarlet flame]

one day it will do damage

[scarlet flame]

he came in said he crit dudes for 250k and i was asking him how he can magically do 250k damage to people when my 447 ilevel warrior can't crit over 120k

when i kekw's the "warriors are so nuts after tuesday"

then he said the i can crit 250k in a duel just trust me bro thing

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

"play builds that are objectively worse to make mortal strike do damage" was his point

you literally can't make this up even if you gave AI 200 years

[mild thunder]

bro is retarded

[scarlet flame]

these gotta be the guys from like reddit and the forums who play like random ass builds to buff shit that doesn't work and hates abilities like rep because "i can't get casts off"

s key behind pillars and wonder why their bars are blacked out when they're disarmed

[modest marten]

these new changes are nuts

[scarlet flame]

yeah nuts we didn't get more

[modest marten]

warriors are going to be stupid strong

wym

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

[modest marten]

execute ashen juggernaut onslaught fury

frost mage is the only spec that fury gets fucked by

[mild thunder]

77k mortal strike instead of 70k mortal strike

[modest marten]

and nobody will play it anymore

they buffed frost bolt that’s irrelevant

[scarlet flame]

no its not

[modest marten]

mages don’t cast frost bolt not because it doesn’t do dmg it’s because they just get frost locked

they still won’t cast it

lol

[scarlet flame]

you gunna come back in here on thursday asking why a mage can free cast frostbolt in your face for 130k aren't you

[mild thunder]

[modest marten]

i’m fury not arms

[scarlet flame]

that literally doesn't matter

[modest marten]

no issues with mages

death sentence anger management buold

[scarlet flame]

yeah those bg mages really aren't an issue

[modest marten]

execute charges

well in solos all specs are not an issue except for frost

[mild thunder]

fury buffs are equally ass... onslaught still shit for anni build, ravager never touched, execute still mediocre for anni build

[modest marten]

if they can cast frostbolt more that’s awesome

they will be frost locked

[scarlet flame]

what rating you at that frost mages let you kick them

[modest marten]

biggest issue is all their dmg is instant

cant lock them

[scarlet flame]

i wana go there

[modest marten]

they don’t cast frostbolt

so i can’t

at 2.3

[scarlet flame]

damn i gotta climb 200 rating so mages stand still and let me beat their face in huh

[modest marten]

lol

fury is going to be insane juggernaut death sentenfe build

anger management

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

sure ill hang it up on the fridge

lmk when awc calls you up

[mild thunder]

totally, a 15% buff to execute is going to make it good, even though it's worse than the actual execute tier set we had last season where it was still ass

[modest marten]

when you are fury and get 2 free cast execute procs per minute with juggernaut max stacks and execute charge with death sentence. yes

[scarlet flame]

what you gunna do when they blink 2 times

[mild thunder]

yea nah

[modest marten]

Execute them again

[scarlet flame]

but they got 2 blinks

[mild thunder]

s1 tier gave fury an SD proc every ~10s

[modest marten]

15yard range

[mild thunder]

it still sucked

[scarlet flame]

how you getting out of all their roots

and the knockback

[modest marten]

Execute is a charge

[mild thunder]

idk why you'd be running ashen jugg either

you dont stack it

[scarlet flame]

they can nova your charge

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

dw bro, warr is fixed

[scarlet flame]

new fury build just dropped from fang

[modest marten]

I’m a ret main and on my alt i already felt like fury was dumb easy lol i’m gonna main it after jul 25

[scarlet flame]

im about to climb r1 with it

[mild thunder]

ret main

[scarlet flame]

ret main

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-twitch-gif-18862714

[fickle forge]

Why ever drop ret for anything when it is what it is

[scarlet flame]

i respect the cope you're huffing man

that shit is working so well

[fickle forge]

I wonder if healers are good rn

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder this one of those guys who said war was gunna be nuts and when i called him out went on to change it to WW

[hot solstice]

Unhinged nerf - more disarm s incoming

[modest marten]

My ret is 2450i play warr when i don’t want to sweat

[scarlet flame]

i think all healers are pretty good until you get to disc which is not so good

[hot solstice]

no real dps windows vs rog/hunt now

[scarlet flame]

but your warrior is 2300 you said

so how is that not sweating if its within 150 cr

[modest marten]

2300 and 2450 is an enormous gap

Prolly more than 1900 to 2300

[scarlet flame]

no its not

[fickle forge]

That is the fattest

Literally the same rank

[mild thunder]

[hot solstice]

do discord allows such nicknames?

[modest marten]

No, you’re queuing into 5+ teams at 2300 and at 2.5mmr you’re queuing into two, one who counters you and the other who dodges you

[scarlet flame]

but you said this is in shuffle

[tropic pagoda]

Idk

[modest marten]

shuffle is a meme

[scarlet flame]

but you are talking about your shuffle cr

[modest marten]

I’m not 2.3 in shuffle on my war

I’m 2.3 mmr

2048cr

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

so whats your rets 3s rating

[hot solstice]

1600 cr 40% wr but 2300 mmr

[mild thunder]

i have the BEST soloQ rating

0

because i dont touch that shit

[modest marten]

i’m r1 on jubeithos

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

okayyyyy bro

jubeithos has like 2 people

on the whole server

[scarlet flame]

who even is that

[modest marten]

It’s a full realm

Lol

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

whats ur characters name

link profile

[mild thunder]

such a full realm that i walked in and got names like Geralt, Jojo and Tyrael

oce pvpers are all on frostmourne, some dreadmaul

[scarlet flame]

you're the type of dude to get glad in TBC at 2100 and then say you're a glad player now

[mild thunder]

saying r1 jubei'thos is beyond meaningless

and im on jubei'thos

[thick reef]

Barth is pvp oce no?

[mild thunder]

barth is horde pvp

[thick reef]

mb

[mild thunder]

oce realms super segregated

[scarlet flame]

oce always second class

you either play with no one or on 200 ping

[mild thunder]

pretty much every non-barth realm is 9:1 alliance to horde, and barth is just reversed lol

wpvp is so cringe

[scarlet flame]

im still waiting for him to come back and link his characters

[thick reef]

yea if ur oce basically gotta play with oce or lags gonna be fkn ass

[mild thunder]

bro i dont think he coming back

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

yea thankfully i got an oce team

[thick reef]

loving it mate, all my mates are pvers

[mild thunder]

just gotta convince my feral friend to reroll boomy

for ww/boomy

[thick reef]

oath

[mild thunder]

yea honestly oce pve population goes so hard

and then pvp...

[scarlet flame]

yeah everyone i know doesn't like pvp i have to start toughing it out in lfg to find friends to game with

my own biological brother doesn't like pvp

[mild thunder]

💔

[thick reef]

everyone loves a good ol random BG but i think arenas are way too hard for fresh players to get into

[mild thunder]

i used to smash low lvl bgs with my brother back in mop/wod

life was good

[scarlet flame]

yeah he'll do bgs with me and its fun

but no arenas

[mild thunder]

we used to just make alts over and over

abuse stuff like double disc in bgs

or double brewmaster

[scarlet flame]

hunter at level 10

1 shot aimed shots

[mild thunder]

yup

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

and that was pre much all we did

now low lvl bgs are just lvl 70 cringelords abusing scaling to farm low lvls

and it's ooooooooooooooooomega cringe

if you do that

please

[scarlet flame]

you can do that?

[mild thunder]

unalive yourself (in a game)

[mild thunder]

yea i cant remember the specific rules

but been a thing since SL at least

[scarlet flame]

so i can go into low level bgs on my warrior and feel powerful again???

[mild thunder]

that's how you hit the big mortal strikes 🧠

[scarlet flame]

if i have to get bullied at max level the low levels have to get some too

all im sayin

[thick reef]

i just take all the consumes i get + berserking and maybe if ur lucky youll 2 shot someone

need salt potion as well

those marks of honor gotta go somewhere

[mild thunder]

i was doing rbgs on my ww yesterday, and had a ToK match

was so fun just playing assassin and kamikaze-ing to kill orbers

[scarlet flame]

doing ashran on my dk with 40 yard grip is the funniest shit

i grip a guy from their group to my group and he gets 1 shot

[magic wing]

Just heroic leap back

[scarlet flame]

second grip

[magic wing]

2 leap talent

[scarlet flame]

okay u got me

[cerulean ibex]

against pet classes what do i swap unhinged to? do we go hurricane or something else?

and will the unhinged nerf mean that we never take unhinged?

[scarlet flame]

can take the exe ms buff talent instead of unhinged

idk unhinged might be okay for normal BS but its kinda dogshit after tuesday

[cerulean ibex]

is hurricane nerfed in pvp combat? isnt a fully stacked buff into TR skullsplitter strong?

[scarlet flame]

skullsplitter got nerfed pretty hard

i honestly dont know if its nerfed in pvp but its pretty dogshit either way

[fickle forge]

Fast game

[scarlet flame]

[cerulean ibex]

G-pie? or chaos bolt

[fickle forge]

Boomkin

[cerulean ibex]

lol

[fickle forge]

Can't even say it's broken since he oneshot himself

[scarlet flame]

actual giga chad

[mild thunder]

enjoy it

that's the most dmg arms will ever do

[scarlet flame]

funny how his rend is higher damage than ms too

[fickle forge]

Apply Rend -> Get CC'd -> Give off the vibe it's your top dmg

[scarlet flame]

yes

[west mural]

and who from blizz thought it was a smart ideea to make warriors use 40 rage on a no damage thunder clap in order to consistently apply a 30 rage rend(wich requires you to be melee) to other 2 people, since when do casters come close to each other warrior for you to do so, ateast make them low rage spells

[west mural]

if u think arms will be strong after patch, i don;t think you been playing it so far :/, idk about fury

[scarlet flame]

shouldn't respond to him, he said he was 2450 then didn't respond to linking his account requests

[west mural]

also this bleed think they tried makes u use 6 talents points for meh dmg dot wich isn;t even 100% uptime

now slam

https://www.twitch.tv/trillebartom

interested boomy play

just saw him doing 250k dmg in less than 2seconds

340 now actualy xDS

[hot solstice]

wtf is this? is it even usable in pve? like...what idiot had a thought we had a reason for thos talent

[west mural]

probably pve

[hot solstice]

I doubt they use it

with how fast u can cdr colosus

[west mural]

lot of meh talents

for example all the talents under bladestorm and 7 of the talents on the right side of arms seem uselss or very bad in pvp

[scarlet flame]

they dont use it in pve either

that talent is dogshit

half our talents are dogshit

i love all these people talking about slam buff like we dont have to invest a ton of talents to buff it

[scarlet flame]

hurricane is 50% in pvp

trinket + wep enchant proc + cs + avatar dont worry guys 40% damage will make this ability not dogshit

• all the talents to buff it

[mild thunder]

is that on dummy?

[scarlet flame]

yes

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

the only good thing about slam is the high crit chance

[scarlet flame]

yeah its crit chance is nice

[mild thunder]

hooly, you lose so much

[scarlet flame]

i didn't try to make it good

i just took the talents

[mild thunder]

fair

so it'll average around 80-90k crits after the buff

wowzers

on dummy*

[west mural]

with cds

[scarlet flame]

with CDS + trinket + weapon proc

[undone pumice]

warrior fuck bad?

[scarlet flame]

second test

[undone pumice]

time to level baki?

[scarlet flame]

with trinket wep cs avatar

[undone pumice]

@mild thunder

[mild thunder]

yessirrr

[undone pumice]

but hes a vulpera

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/meditate-monk-taichi-rock-gif-9580191

[undone pumice]

female orc = baki?

[mild thunder]

makes sense

[undone pumice]

got booba like him

[mild thunder]

unironically closest to baki physique

female orc

is peak physique

[undone pumice]

i know

[mild thunder]

no cap

[undone pumice]

ztroll is skinny yujiro

[mild thunder]

kul tiran male is also peak physique

gnome is irl physique

[undone pumice]

kul tiran is that sumo guy

idk his name

honoo

[mild thunder]

there's a chance, a chance that the slam pvp mods arent correctly applying to dummy and it's doing less than intended

WDP for monk is the same

[scarlet flame]

im trying to get someone to let me test on them

but these guys are retards

[mild thunder]

what does tooltip say when you hit dummy?

[scarlet flame]

33k

up from 18k

[mild thunder]

yea nvm

so ass

[scarlet flame]

its not applying correclty on dummies

this is with just trinket no weapon proc

on a guy]

hes 2200 in ss so hes got some vers gear it was an enchance shaman

[muted surge]

Is that after the slam buffs?

[scarlet flame]

no

one sec testing some more numbers

on the same guy i made sure to have deep wounds for mastery buff

no weapon proc on the other one or this one

the guy itested on has 28% vers

[scarlet flame]

this is on current patch with all talents + alacrity trinket proc + cs + avatar + deepwounds for mastery on a mail shaman with 28% vers

i didn't wana ask this guy to wait 5 minutes for me to get weap proc too lol

[muted surge]

Idk seems low af, even with the slam buff it’s gonna suck

[scarlet flame]

i have somewhat low mastery with 23%

so lets say with everything its like 92-99k

[muted surge]

But is the 28% vers pve or pvp

[scarlet flame]

its in a duel

[muted surge]

Then its low no?

[scarlet flame]

wym low

[muted surge]

Don’t you have like 35 with full gear

[scarlet flame]

i think he is full gear

[muted surge]

So another 3-4% reduction

[fallen solar]

So how exactly does rating work? Cause I got to 1600 and now I’m going like 5 rounds winning and getting a plus 3 rating

[scarlet flame]

hes 2200 in ss

[fallen solar]

Tf is going on

[scarlet flame]

your CR is based on your MMR

if you have higher CR than MMR you wont gain points

if you have higher MMR than CR it gives you points to match your MMR

if you win more games at equal MMR and CR your MMR goes up and you get points

[fallen solar]

Explain MMR because im dumb

[scarlet flame]

MMR is just your match making value against other players

im pretty sure baseline is 1500

if you win a ton of games the game says you're skill level is higher than 1500 it gives you points to make you play vs other people who have the mmr values similar to yours

the game tries to balance your CR and MMR

so if you're bad and lose a bunch you dont stay at high skill level games

[fallen solar]

Okay I was wondering lol cause I was winning and going nowhere lol

[scarlet flame]

it just means you lost a bunch before hand

and you had to get the mmr back to make your cr go up

[fallen solar]

Yep lol.

Well im glad I understand now

Thank you!

[scarlet flame]

np

[scarlet flame]

just with these retard numbers it would give slam low balled 30k damage for me personally

so it would be 100k~ after buffs

but this is with all procs

so

[muted surge]

What’s winning for you tho? I assume you talk about SS, and only 4:2 or more is a win

[muted surge]

So same as ms, yay

[scarlet flame]

worse than an ms cause it does nothing but damage

and it only does ms damage if it crits

and this is full talent investment

ms also crits about the same so the 10% damage buff is like another 8k damage to it

op also has like 7-8k damage added to it because it was also buffed by 10%

[muted surge]

Okay but overall

Nothings gonna change

Bcs the small ms buff, loss of unhinged burst, won’t make us any more viable

Unless the BS buff is noticeable (it won’t be)

[scarlet flame]

it will be noticable tbh

but its not impactful

you'll notice BS do like 25k damage instead of 17k

[hot solstice]

I believe slam crits will hit harder than overpower crit after reset...but still overpower also does dreadnought

[scarlet flame]

but who cares its a rend dot

i dont think it will

you take 2 talents to make op do the same as 4 of slam

[buoyant mulch]

Guys for fury, whats the Best embelishment besides infurious footwraps? And whats the Best weapon enchants?

[scarlet flame]

am not a fury guy sorry can't help

[scarlet flame]

all of these had warlords torment so a bit extra crit chance

[fallen solar]

Winning 5 rounds in solo

[scarlet flame]

someone be my target dummy for 5 mins

[mild thunder]

yea, the dmg itself may be decent, but it's still only 110-120k max crit during CDs

which begs the question, why press slam over mortal strike and op

[scarlet flame]

there is none

other than the fact you can boost its crit chance super high

so you could maybe kill someone at low hp instead of using execute

[mild thunder]

it crits harder than mortal strike, no?

[scarlet flame]

i mean more in line with reliable crit

[mild thunder]

unbuffed mortal strike

[scarlet flame]

also are you asking about exe or slam in your question

[hot solstice]

on pvp dummy slam crit does 10k less than overpower crit

I know its dummy but still

[mild thunder]

dummy doesnt apply slam pvp mods properly

[boreal veldt]

They really trying to make Slam a thing lmfao

[north thicket]

Feels wrong to slam over execute and ms

[scarlet flame]

i can see it maybe being good for the execute button at low hp because of how high its crit chance is

[hot solstice]

3k diff on tooltip in pvp mode\

450ilvl need last 1 socket

[scarlet flame]

your mastery is also going to somewhat buff its damage

[boreal veldt]

Take Execute off bar, replace Execute talents with Slam talents huehue

[mild thunder]

slam also does like 20% more crit dmg

[hot solstice]

will see on reset

[north thicket]

So r u guys positive about these changes or?

[scarlet flame]

changes are dogshit

this just cope we're huffing rn

[hot solstice]

so now we will have to actualy refresh rend instead of spaming it as filler

[boreal veldt]

They killed unhinged so now it's useless in PvP and PvE

[scarlet flame]

wut why

[hot solstice]

if slam is a thing

u will slam as filler

[north thicket]

Unsure why they did that to Unhinged

[scarlet flame]

when do you have filler

[boreal veldt]

I get why, but 60% is absurd

[scarlet flame]

i dont get why

we had no burst even with unhinged

now we have even less burst

and its 40% nerf not 60%

semantics but

[boreal veldt]

Mortal Strikes from the Unhinged talent are now cast at 60% effectiveness.

[hot solstice]

the thing with unhinged is u cant get ccd on ur burst

[scarlet flame]

which is a 40% nerf from 100%?

[north thicket]

On the very positive side

[boreal veldt]

Oh wait

Math, nvm you right

[scarlet flame]

i did the same thing dw

[north thicket]

They buffed Ravager for Fury

[boreal veldt]

lmao

[north thicket]

Imagine these buffs...

[scarlet flame]

who gives a fuck you can walk out of it easier than bladestorm

you can't even move it

[north thicket]

Exactly

[hot solstice]

ravager=new chill streak

[north thicket]

Showcases that actually none of these interns at Blizz is playing warr

[scarlet flame]

they want us to be a damp class

do no burst win late game with MS and bleed damage

which is fucking stupid

[mild thunder]

i think a return to either EP or skullsplitter will be most likely

[boreal veldt]

Just gonna go full MS braindead and wait till dampening and Fatality stacks get high enough

GL my healer

[scarlet flame]

we aren't a real class we're a cuck spec like aug but worse

[mild thunder]

if slam had a capstone that could give us a reason to press it instead of battlelord spam, then it could see use

but

it doesnt

[scarlet flame]

we are literally another classes dot and MS that can move

i mean yeah that would be cool and interesting

[mild thunder]

and we cant drop battlelord because it gives us massive overpower dmg

[scarlet flame]

so clearly blizzard wont do it

[mild thunder]

they should add the WoD slam as a capstone

basically mongoose bite

[scarlet flame]

i think it was monday they would announce further changes

but i dont see us getting shit

[mild thunder]

ive been trying to think of a way to make a slam build work, but it just doesnt. everything in our kit - battlelord, fatality, strength of arms, EP, EB etc. encourages us to spam ms off cooldown

[boreal veldt]

They gonna revert their Slam change thinking it's too much lmfao

[scarlet flame]

they want us to be a spammy class so our abilities can't do huge damage numbers

and the issue is we literally suck dick into wizards

[mild thunder]

i play ww - a spammy class with huge numbers

[scarlet flame]

i see their class design but its stupid as fuck because it doesn't work into other damp classes

other classes have a ton of ways to prolong games

we have an empty shit bucket

[mild thunder]

arms used to be the king of dampening

[north thicket]

Don't worry man

[mild thunder]

how times have changed

[north thicket]

Warriors are getting a rework in 10.3.7

[scarlet flame]

being a damp class is for bitch wizards

not warriors

arms is never getting a rework bro thats hard cope

[mild thunder]

microsoft will fix us

[scarlet flame]

bliz is happy with us shit stomping dogshit players at 2 mmr and getting farmed by anyone with eyeballs at higher ranks

[north thicket]

Yes, Microsoft will fix us

for real

[scarlet flame]

fucking tired of seeing these 1200 shuffle retards saying arms does giga damage cleaving bleeds onto 200 pets

[north thicket]

the teams that aren't doing their job properly will get axed

starting with the class designers and pvp teams

because of them the game is bleeding off subs

big time

[scarlet flame]

pvp is a minigame they wont axe that team bro

[mild thunder]

[north thicket]

A minigame that has always had a huge potential but wasted in 90% of the seasons

[mild thunder]

i dont think the game is bleeding subs at all

pve is in a great state, has been all of DF

and whatever subs leave because of pvp are negligible anyway

[north thicket]

I wouldn't call pve great at the moment but say decent

Most of the pvers are done with 2.5k-3k whatever their target is midseason

If you want to keep them in-game

Let them do some pvp

But a decent one, make it a fun minigame

for all clases, not wizards and lizards only

[fallen solar]

Did I hear something to where we can send conquest points to our alts now??

[scarlet flame]

yeah conq boxes

[fallen solar]

Oooo

[mild thunder]

this just isnt how those kinds of people approach wow for the most part... they'll always be the kinda people to push hard at the start of a season and then leave, that's just how they approach the game

[fallen solar]

What about honor?

[mild thunder]

people wanna play other games outside of wow

or play no games

[mild thunder]

pretty sure this has been one of the most liked raids in recent expansions (although a bit too easy), m+ design is pretty much a consistent W, gearing changes with s2 have been great across the board, megadungeon dropped that has been pretty good, plenty of casual pve content (rifts, loamm niffen stuff etc.), and for the most part class balance has been in a good spot until augvoker came in

there's really not much to genuinely complain about

[north thicket]

You are right, maybe not only decent but say good

Class balance could have been better however

Without these scripted meta shits which are annoying as hell

I personally would like to see some incentive to push beyond 20s, maybe 25s (unsure if I am good enough for 25 tbh)

The M+ season lacks a bit of spice also, without a seasonal affix (not the shit in s1)

I am happy the raid is liked, looks good (I did only casual stuff therein so not competent to discuss maybe)

Blizz raid design team is doing well, they manage to come up with interesting stuff after all these years with rare fails

[mild thunder]

class balance is almost always fine, it's the community that makes it seem like X spec is "unplayable"

[mild thunder]

we can all criticise this, but it was a direct result of players crying for it through most of SL and s1 of DF

i agree that >20s need better rewards... imo ksm mount should be swapped for ksh to be a bit more presitigious because ksm is a literal joke

if you have fingers, you can do 20s at least

[north thicket]

Yes, ksh mount

On the other 2 points - we can't really blame the community

Blizzard have to have a better decision-making, they own their decisions not the community

[wheat jay]

Pve is doing amazing now

Good gearing is the big reason for it

Raid is great and gives good rewards, including best mount

[west mural]

keep in mind also that blizz cares about PVE not PVP

or atleast pve>pvp

[opal acorn]

Raid gives good rewards if u got a guild. If u pug u get nothing basically. I've plugged for a month now, almost all bosses every week, I won once against 1 player for some tier shoulders, but I traded cause I have elite.

[west mural]

i pugged 3 days after i made my char and finished the contet just to see how it is and also got 2 tier pieces, it's cool but not my thing

i find vanilla and tbc pve more satisfactory as it's a social team effort

being part of something

wow today is more like a solo moba thing than it was in 2006

[undone pumice]

wtf does moba even

mean

[west mural]

it's interesting how in 20 years everyone has gone from being very social and together to beeing alone cring and selfish

even in eastern europe

all part of the plan xD

Multiplayer online battle arena - Wikipedia

u que u press your buttons and u treat your teamm8s like bots

demuhanize everyone

dehumanise

[opal acorn]

i dont think this is a wow thing, rather than player thing

[west mural]

it's not a wow thing

it's a social tendency

[opal acorn]

y

[west mural]

i think

high coruption, high quality of life, high independency, high competitivity and emancipation of women even

leads to selfishness, loneliness and many other issues

but it's my belief, i may be wrong

it's just how i see things have evolved

online and IRL

in the west and east

games just reflect it

also think about the mobile game industry it's booming

also the fast paced 10 minute games that instantly make u feel good without putting in effort

when i started wow my expectation was to obtain something in 5 months

not 10 minutes later

one of the reasons counter strike is still a thing and has not died

like hundreds of other good games

[onyx marlin]

what plan bro stop smoking shit

go to sleep

[graceful ginkgo]

Emancipation of women Leads to selfishness? Maybe crawl back to the MAGA hole you climbed out of

[onyx marlin]

[west mural]

the hate xD

[graceful ginkgo]

Asshole take deserves hate

[onyx marlin]

now now take your pill and go to bed eduardo

you sound like some kind of schizo freak

[opal acorn]

lmao wtf happened here

so women getting freedom is the reason i am not getting any fkn loot?

[onyx marlin]

apparently

[west mural]

well if that;s what u understood, i mean...

[wheat jay]

Yes

Feminism fucked up loot system

[north thicket]

Can someone more experienced explain to me like if I am 5y old what's the logic behind this buff? If mages are already in the pvp meta

[opal acorn]

fk that, i wanna know about the plan

[last turret]

blizzard like venruki and he says mage are bad so they buff them

[mild thunder]

who let bro cook

[onyx marlin]

[north thicket]

So pvp is supposed to be Venruki's minigame

[onyx marlin]

guy already took his pills and is in the bed

the plan bruh

[mild thunder]

you know the plan

their plan

by them

[opal acorn]

well u attacked him b4 he could tell us about the plan

congratulations

[mild thunder]

that's always what happens

when you talk about the plan

you get attacked

[onyx marlin]

[mild thunder]

🤯

[north thicket]

There is no plan

[mild thunder]

im planning on shoving my balls in your mouf

[opal acorn]

btw @north thicket i am more confused about this

[north thicket]

Well you may try but they are going to be unhinged

[north thicket]

That's a clear one: here, guys, have these buffs on your unimpactful spells so that you have no right to complain anymore

What's this, the Fury buffs might total to 1% dmg increase overall

Meanwhile just one of the mage buffs is 2% vers increase - assuming 33% uptime on sheep

Not to mention other bonuses and stacking effects

[lyric violet]

I guess if im not a wizard i should just go kill myself this patch

[opal acorn]

Retri dk and monks are doing good tho

[lyric violet]

Ret kind butt in a hpal meta tho

For solo atleast

[opal acorn]

better than war

[lyric violet]

Yeah idk i think im gonna dust off my dk whos been riding the pine since pre season1 lol

[mild thunder]

all the melee except warr are fine

ive realised it's not even a caster meta

everyone here just thinks it is because we play warrior

ret good, dh good, dk great, ww great, sub great, enh really good, sv really good, feral decent

[near delta]

LOL came back to skyhold for the first time in like a month to see what people thought about the changes

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[thick reef]

Fury
Developers’ notes: We’re increasing the damage of a few Fury Warrior spells we feel are not impactful enough in PvP.
Execute damage is now increased by 25% in PvP Combat (was 10%).
Onslaught damage increased by 15% in PvP Combat.
Ravager damage increased by 30% in PvP Combat.

Uh...

I mean, I enjoy the Execute buff, but why the fuck do they want me going right side when we need to be hitting CSHB

[modern pilot]

is arms back

[thick reef]

Why do people like mud buy their glad wins

Boggles the mind

[wheat jay]

Cuz he's bad and buys them to get viewers on Twitch

Easy money

[thick reef]

My thoughts too

[river walrus]

Mud is bad? Isn't he better than most of us?

[thick reef]

He buys glads. So no

[wheat jay]

Mud boosted by petkick and uglybaldbaby

[scarlet flame]

Shut the fuck up

[elfin surge]

im a glADiAtoR

[elfin surge]

#3 feral NA

btw

[elfin surge]

cdew does too!

[scarlet flame]

should have just given them the gala treatment and said suck on my balls

[river walrus]

They trolling by calling mud bad?

Or u guys friends? Lol

[elfin surge]

idk who that is lol

[scarlet flame]

guys new to the discord and first thing he says is mud is bad ofc hes a troll

dude has 6 toes irl

[elfin surge]

i am bad and buy my gladiator!

[past latch]

A silly question

How do I start out on PvP? I see people walking around with 800k dps which is insane? how am I supposed to fight such giants?

[elfin surge]

https://youtu.be/RsErbBwEsE4

[wheat jay]

He tried to buy one on EU from me but with his lags it was unplayable

Sadly

[elfin surge]

i mortal strike healers in traps

[wheat jay]

He fucking does

Who, if not a boosted ape does that?

[elfin surge]

^

[scarlet flame]

i do it to fuck hunters

🖕

[thick reef]

This is known

[thick reef]

Same, gotta show them who the real alpha Chad is

[north thicket]

How is the slam party going on? Are we celebrating?!!! 🥳 😆

Monday we get another +5% pvp buff to Ravager

Unstoppable

[vapid tartan]

Yes sharpen no longer buffs ms and now is on slam

The change I really need

[north thicket]

Venruki approves

Mages are so bad right now F- tier in pvp and pve

Nerf sharpen buff mages

[urban wind]

anyone know of any kazzak pvp guilds?

[vapid tartan]

Can try looking at realm leaderboards

[frail badge]

is fury still best in solo q? i took a break for a good while since the current season started

[river walrus]

Even fury is kinda sucking right now in SS

Mages hunters evokers have way too much cc and mobility for both warriors specs

Had a lobby against frost mage/Aug evoker and basically could not touch them

[west mural]

can't take any content creator serious anyway, maybe cdew

[sage raptor]

Cdew, partwaffles, and shadenox. That's it.

[teal hedge]

MUD

[sage raptor]

Okay mud

[frail badge]

i just want the 1800 transmog, i got up to about 1700 at start of season then felt i could not push any more but i here the fixed the rating stuff by now i think

[teal hedge]

Our streamer

Truly the peoples' man

[river walrus]

They dis

Did

[fallen solar]

I climbed pretty easy with my fury tho. I got hate mail from casters cause I wouldn’t get off them lol

Pressure gods

[spice hornet]

Warrior is so fucking bad

[mild thunder]

you're a dk main now

embrace the void

[boreal veldt]

but dk cant spin >:[

[sage raptor]

dk cant go "WeeEEEeEeeEEeeEee"

[tender swallow]

Hmmm is there anything i can do about frost mages or windwalkers?

[honest sundial]

nerf warrior this class is disgusting

[scarlet flame]

dude i wish i had as many dick riders as mud has

[scarlet flame]

ww is okay matchup, frost mage you just get cucked unless the mage is worse than you are skill wise

for WW the best you can do is not use buttons into fof, you can really fuck with monks with disarms

[tender swallow]

yeah frost mage has been cancer to fight against

it's crazy that it's got like 5 dashes

[scarlet flame]

i have 2 blue items still

[scarlet flame]

mage has historically hard countered warriors so its going to feel like our worst matchup

[undone pumice]

this is why gnome bis

[gray umbra]

^

[undone pumice]

escape artist the root

but id rather die than play alliance because im too lazy

i just wanna zug and zug

[scarlet flame]

i like pressing tr

i cant wait for this to get 10% damage

[vapid tartan]

Oh boy ms hits for 50k now

Surely we will start 1 shotting everything this is outta control

[scarlet flame]

idk how it happened but at one point i crit a mage for 149k so clearly ms damage is fine guys

1 out of 75 total mortals strikes crit for over 100k in a rated bg ms damage is fine 10% buff is huge

im pretty excited for monday, im huffing so much cope that warrior gets some more stuff i think my lungs are going to explode

[mild thunder]

bro's moved on from copium to copaine

[scarlet flame]

[lucid walrus]

reroll

this isn't healthy

[mild thunder]

warr mains all look like asmongold

[lucid walrus]

this is true

[undone pumice]

no i am inverse asmongold

all the hair

all the fat

[mild thunder]

all the clean kitchenware

all the non-mouldy bedrooms

[undone pumice]

actually yes

[muted surge]

All the empty bank account

[undone pumice]

yes..

[lucid walrus]

no fucking way

soypog

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-switch-baahh-tada-hi-gif-12601447

@ndogofury

[lucid walrus]

cursed lobby

[faint pumice]

Will you guys swap vicious contempt to execute talents after execute buff?

[sterile ferry]

so we like fury rn?

I took a few weeks off, not sure whats up

[scarlet flame]

all warriors bad rn

better than literal dogshit classes like fdk and outlaw but bottom tier for sure

[muted surge]

What about prot

[sharp aurora]

gearing an arms warrior for pvp. what should I spend conquest on first - weapon, crafting trophies or tier?

[sterile ferry]

i vote wait til tues for weapon chance from vault, its an unpkeasent incentive to wait to spend points

i am no expert tho

[scarlet flame]

he probably doesn't have enough honor earned in ranked games to get vault if hes asking that

generally wep > main sets> wrist back waist > rings > trinkets

can make crafted boots and rings

[sharp aurora]

gotcha, thanks

[buoyant mulch]

Which spec work better in pvp in current meta?

[undone pumice]

the spec that uses their feet

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

man why are so many rdruids so passive in 2s

i stg they just run and let themselves get tunneled into the ground

[hot solstice]

is this realy bis for human warrior? I mean badge doesnt realy fit with avatar cd while medalion is like +5% to consistent damage

[mild thunder]

just swap badge on matchup

sometimes you wanna trinket non-stuns

sometimes you want emblem

a lot of times you get away with badge

[hot solstice]

ye I know, I just wonder whats is better damegewise

[mild thunder]

well two dps trinkets will always be better than 1 dps trinket if you're talking about dmg

you can always use badge independently of avatar

if you only have a cs go but you think you can push for a kill

using avatar for rootbreaks etc

[lost nova]

Does fury pvp run 4 set

[whole tulip]

Going against Dk Hpal? Would I start hpal? Start dk? Should I fear Army of the dead? Or save fear to create pressure?

And what pvp talents should I run besides sharpen blade?

[mild thunder]

fury or arms?

[whole tulip]

Arms

[mild thunder]

take disarm, banner

try and banner the grippy hands go

[whole tulip]

ye I'm like stuck 1900-2k in 2v2

[mild thunder]

disarm first frenzy, can disarm apoc inbetween or offensively to stop death strikes

[whole tulip]

Goccha

[mild thunder]

fearing AotD a waste, it legit doesnt do that much dmg compared to their frenzy pop tbh

fear is also hard-capped

[whole tulip]

AH goccha

[mild thunder]

and imo just train hpala as hard as you can

[whole tulip]

Yeah I trained hpal but my rsham died to the dk

[mild thunder]

best you can do is keep him disarmed and slowed... a lot of our cc is mitigated by dk abilities

you can send bolts on dk and save shockwave for hpala

[whole tulip]

Ye Goccha

would spell reflect intervene be worth while against a dk? Stop death coils? Or is interenve enough

[mild thunder]

intervene>reflect doesnt do anything

reflect should mostly be saved for death grips and hojs

try and intervene the frenzy pop

[hot solstice]

dk dont care about disarm aswell

[whole tulip]

You stop death strikes tho

[hot solstice]

Like he uses ones

[mild thunder]

it's not amazing, but in the grand scheme of shitty pvp talents arms has, it's better than any other option

it also has a lot of offensive utility

and it does slow their burst by preventing wound generation

[hot solstice]

its bad to go pala cause u r perma slowed/griped and pala has freedom

[whole tulip]

Like I'm just finding it hard to pre reflect?

To reflect grips

[hot solstice]

he has 2 anyway

[whole tulip]

and slows I mean some of it is pretty scripted

like he pop's limb and I know he's going to grip

[mild thunder]

didnt he say he had an hpala too?

[hot solstice]

For me hpala dk is about surviving till late damp while getting 2 bops from them

[mild thunder]

ok yea mb then

hpala on the brain