pvp

[sage raptor]

Bro it's surv

They die to air lol

Connect better idk

[mild thunder]

stfu

we smacked their ass

[sage raptor]

So what's the problem

[mild thunder]

hey popo

guess what

[sage raptor]

I think u just a hater 💅

[mild thunder]

yes

[sage raptor]

Based

Here's some bread from belize

[teal hedge]

Fellas

I have ran into a new issue

For some reason, my grip just gives in when doing deadlifts

(I do 100 kg x 5) (220 lbs)

Also that bread looks fucking gas @sage raptor

[lean burrow]

carpal tunnel

too much wow

[whole quartz]

hand and forearm muscles are just tiny compared to what ure actually using to lift that weight
it is expected that they give in at some point, especially if youre not hook gripping
when i do a full overhand grip i cant even stabilize it after 100kg (like, itll "roll" out of my hand)

theres no shame in using straps or powder, and i would argue that people who state that using these tools is "weak" are simply not operating at their potential

[sage raptor]

It's from actual Belize

[teal hedge]

Yeah, thing is, I could do 100 kg no problems at all with an overhand grip

[whole quartz]

sure, some construction worker might have the grip strength for this, but assuming youre the average wow player, you dont and developing it takes a lot longer than getting your back and hamstrings stronger

[teal hedge]

Guess I need more farmer-carries

[lean burrow]

this is me

[whole quartz]

or 20 bucks for lifting straps 💀

[teal hedge]

Real

But overall, I dislike deadlifts, but I do them for my back

6'4 and really fat, got back like a buzzard

[whole quartz]

for full back development i can recommend bent over rows, on a smith machine if you want to leave the lower back out of it
depending on grip and angle you can hit any part of the back

[teal hedge]

Oh yeah

I do rows too

I mostly do squats and deadlifts for my spinal flexors

Otherwise I much prefer rows, rdls or pulldowns

I'm also trying to lose weight, slowly

[whole quartz]

a lot of online people will tell you DL is not good for development of any certain area of the body, but after some heavy DL ill realize what is lacking on my back
but i dont have them on my back day, if at all ill do them with my hamstrings

[teal hedge]

I do upper/lower

[whole quartz]

keep at it mate, been there
take ur time

[teal hedge]

Yessir, sitting at 155 kg rn

Used to be 160 kg

[whole quartz]

phew lad
keep it up 👍

[teal hedge]

Yessir

Aiming for 110 kg and then I'll be done

Pretty naturally wide

[whole quartz]

i thought id get down to 65 kg and then id be happy
lmao

[teal hedge]

Yeah, but it depends on your height and overall build

Being tall fucking sucks though

Can hardly get into squats, either my shoulders or elbows give out

[proud ether]

whats better in 2vs2 for arms thunders roar or spear?

[teal hedge]

Troar

Crits are pretty weak atm

[proud ether]

aw okay ty

[west mural]

ppl troll way 2 much

[lean burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-fat-fat-gigachad-gigachad-fat-chad-fat-gif-25194162

[teal hedge]

Real

Doing hip thrusts rn

Shit sucks

[lean burrow]

hip thrusts huh

[frosty nexus]

i had to take like a 5 week lifting break after surgery

did deadlifts yesterday and i feel weak as hell

[lean burrow]

[frosty nexus]

[teal hedge]

Damn shame

Yeah hip thrusts

For bigger glutes

@lean burrow you know what a hip thrust is?

[lean burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-dance-gif-23875943

[whole quartz]

bodybuilding is the only sport where being smaller is an advantage, at least initially

most short guys would sacrifice that for height tho i assume

[teal hedge]

Just finished lower day

Took 2 hours

Lower back, glutes, quads, hamstrings and knees are fried

Also, being tall lets me weigh a lot without looking too unfit, hence why I'm going for 110 kg

[mild thunder]

one was my ww rsk dmg at like 435ilvl, and one was the arms warr i versed...

idk how anyone can think arms dmg is too strong or even remotely viable

ntm my FoF ticks peaked higher than his ms

[wheat jay]

I think people make posts to spite mud at this point

[magic wing]

Be middle height like me lol 185cm

[teal hedge]

Real

194 has thus far only gotten me some observations and a lot of back pain

[magic wing]

Youre tall to girls but not some freakish slenderman

[teal hedge]

I don'

t intend on being tall to girls

[magic wing]

194 is still pretty good tho

[teal hedge]

But mostly it's just older ladies calling me big

[magic wing]

Yeah the younger are shy

[teal hedge]

I guess 194 cm is pretty tall when it comes to men

Generally speaking, I lift for myself

It's gotten rid of a lot of my back and knee pain

Besides, it makes me feel better about myself and increases my confidence

That + alcohol makes it easy to talk to guys at parties 😎

[spice hornet]

There are a lot of retarded trolls on that forum I’ve learned

[mild thunder]

arms dmg is good

[teal hedge]

What

Isn't warrior getting shat on atm?

[spice hornet]

Yes

[teal hedge]

Cancelled my sub, but I'll hop on next season

[spice hornet]

Good idea

[last turret]

pvp wars what we do against frost mages i just got shuffle and he was dominated couldnt hit him

[spice hornet]

Almost nothing you can do if they have 2 brain cells

As arms at least

[last turret]

altertime is so broken

and frost dmg is acutlly insane

[river walrus]

Honestly magaes have too much mobility and cc right now, so even fury warrior can't hit frost mage or arcane

Even fire mage rough to catch

[mild thunder]

skill issue

[mild thunder]

skill issue

[mild thunder]

skill issue

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

[last turret]

Did they nerf the crit in pvp? is it only for melees? bcs why is casters criting evertime time

was thinking about stacking crit on arms

any1 tryed it?

[vagrant gulch]

hey guys, its this time of the month again and i pulled out my warri from retirement, do we go 2p2p as fury or do we say fuck the old set, 4p or go home?

[scarlet flame]

yeah crit got nerfed

[scarlet flame]

what other 2 piece are you talking about, last seasons gear doesn't scale to 450 so you wouldn't use it

[vagrant gulch]

ye i mean the old 2 pieces, should i just remove them with honor gear or let them stay until i can upgrade them with conq?

because the old 2set isnt that bad right?

[scarlet flame]

i think the honor gear is high ilevel

so just use that

[vagrant gulch]

alright

i guess stats > 25% crit chance on execute

sounds good

Thanks!

[scarlet flame]

crit got giga nerfed

also you'll have less hp

[raw summit]

Compared to sl locks feel like squishy or am i just facing bad locks

[scarlet flame]

probably facing bad locks

[raw summit]

Still the usual nameplate fiesta though jfc

[opal acorn]

So at which elo do they start noticing death wish?

[scarlet flame]

locks?

[raw summit]

You cant really put numbers on stuff like that

Some random might just have a weakaura for it and then ur kinda fucked

[opal acorn]

It was a joke cause I feel its kinda mandatory lol

And I wanna climb a bit this season

[scarlet flame]

dont play warrior then

cause its 10x harder for no reason

i was doing some casual bgs on the warrior and it felt like literal garbage

i swapped to dk and it was totally a different experience

[opal acorn]

ok i had the impression that we are ok atm, but i just saw the stats hmm

[scarlet flame]

we are better than frost and outlaw 🙂

[opal acorn]

i guess i will play ret above 1950 then

[undone pumice]

did they break outlaw's neck finally?

[wheat jay]

@mild thunder fuck monks

disgusting abomination xD

[scarlet flame]

outlaw is probably the worst spec in the game

[opal acorn]

ah well

https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/solo-shuffle-stats/us

[upper valve]

Hey new here, sure this has been answered before so apologies for spam but can anyone link or tell me what's best for getting tier for an alt? really don't want to pve

[lucid walrus]

solo

[upper valve]

shuffle?

[lucid walrus]

mhm

[upper valve]

does tier drop in solo or we have a chance to get random pieces we can catalyst? Could i do 2s instead?

[lucid walrus]

bear in mind that your tier’s pve ilvl will suck if you’re doing it for that reason

you’d just need to farm conquest in any way you can

[upper valve]

nah i just want tier set bonus for pvp

[lucid walrus]

ah

yeah just play rated and buy pieces then. there are no gear drops

[upper valve]

conquest > catalyst

easy

thanks endo

[lucid walrus]

sure thing

[scarlet flame]

guys rets are still super op and boomkin and sp are clearly not broken classes

eu is even worse

[raw summit]

no such thing as good tuning for pvp

[slate root]

guess I'm rolling balance

[slate root]

judgement spam melts mages, ret is fkn ranged now

[wheat jay]

is that 2s or 3s?

[scarlet flame]

it just says df s2

[slate root]

I think it's all brackets, but wow leaderboard can let you check that

It should still be boomy ret spriest ww at tops

[slate root]

hahaha

wouldn't you know

[scarlet flame]

the graphs from before are solo shuff

this eu

couple of outliers dont you think

[slate root]

what's the last 7 days look like?

[scarlet flame]

damn eu hates warrior

[wheat jay]

oh wait its solo shuffle

xD

[scarlet flame]

the rest of the graphs are from 3v3

[lucid walrus]

devoker went extinct

ik it’s mostly people trying something new but i wonder what the long term ramifications are

[raw summit]

protpaladin buffoldile

[scarlet flame]

doesn't devoker just suck

you either 1 shot someone or do nothing

[raw summit]

am i retarded for playing double roar points in melee lobbies

should i just get wave instead

[tiny dagger]

if im coming back to pvp from a break since mid s1 whats the shit i need to know and how fast can i gear up?

[lavish quest]

Conquest cap removed so grind away. And warriors suck lol

[wheat jay]

Warriors are not the best now

Quite the contrary

Good luck

[wet scarab]

Would suggest playing a better class and sending conquest boxes to your warrior so it’s not a complete shitshow 😂

[sonic parcel]

Hi, as fury I want to know it's a mandatory talent the one that makes execute a generator and which can I can exchange for. I'm playing anihilator full bloodlust upgrading build

[rotund trellis]

Imporved execute? I find it useful. But to me Bloodbath > Execute during the rotation so..

[rain phoenix]

agreed, buff mages

[sonic parcel]

For sure, execute have less dmg and utility, I was thinking to switch it with te 15 % more enrage for blood

And get exec as generator, and gap closer against mages 😂

[lean burrow]

for lordaeron

for my father the king

me after rerolling dk

[wheat jay]

You look dehydrated

I rolled this

[hot solstice]

r we back?

[scarlet flame]

i can do that on dk from 30% hp

so no

[mild thunder]

who was that on?

im gonna say you definitely had some externals to hit those numbers

or that person had zero versa

[hot solstice]

Mw

Geared

Nvm

Game is piece of shit

Not only warriors

[mild thunder]

?

[hot solstice]

Never mind

[mild thunder]

?????????????

[west mural]

seems u can't force things to work in eu xD, people min/max in alot of games

[wet scarab]

what a tilting fucking season

[lyric violet]

Precog sucks

Overlapping procs it and solo shuffle were all monkeys

So perma precog lmao

[modest marten]

Warlocks are going to fuck us

PTR datamines is giving them some strong anti melee util

this has no pvp reduction yet

[scarlet flame]

what

[modest marten]

It’s a doomguard ability

I think doomguards are going to be a prio killtarget

[scarlet flame]

@elfin surge you're my pet

[mild thunder]

people that mald over ptr datamining

worse than mud

[spice hornet]

Still no pvp SF eh

Meanwhile we have 6 useless ones that don’t do anything anyway so I don’t see the harm in adding a 7th

[dreamy moat]

How are warlocks anyway, compared to mage? I don't wanna stay a one-trick pony with warrior so I wanna try delving into casters and starting with lock

[spice hornet]

Warlock is good

Not aff tho

[dreamy moat]

damn, that was my favourite class fantasy spec

but demo is fun, I will admit

[spice hornet]

Yeah I like aff too the most

[scarlet flame]

aff is good until people stop you from playing

[spice hornet]

It’s very badly designed rn tho, spriest is a better version of aff in every way

1 spell school, 2 mandatory pvp talents, damage tied to hard casting, refreshing dots very often

[lucid walrus]

groveling for pins every season is the new thing

[spice hornet]

Boomy is even a better aff at this point, moonfire/sun fire are way to east to keep and spread for how much Dam they do,

Easy to keep up*

[lucid walrus]

instant casts btw

[spice hornet]

Yup

[lucid walrus]

one of the biggest problems with balancing in both areas of the game is attempting to have niches for specs when some just do the job better than others

see: warrior vs ret, sp vs aff, possibly even ww vs sub

[mild thunder]

More like warrior vs ret, ww, dk, feral, dh

Arms is just a shitty version of half the melee

Arms’ niche used to be mortal strike and its utility… we now have a pretty mediocre ms, and pretty lacklustre utility into most specs

Intervene is useless into anything other than rogue I stg

[spice hornet]

Yeah losing the Dr conduit frin shadowlands for intervene has made it feel awful

[mild thunder]

And the rally conduit

We still have it ig, but the shittiest version

Idk why blizz has given every spec a mortal wounds, it’s so dumb

Feral, ww, rogue, dh, uhdk, demo lock, hunter, destro lock, sp, fury warr all have mortal wounds as good or better than ours

[lucid walrus]

you’re right, i wanted a dichotomy though

we really don’t do anything another spec doesn’t

[mild thunder]

No spec can match how low our dmg is

[lucid walrus]

and what leg up we have is offset by a lack of damage yeah

saw an arms in one of my games whose durability survived me

looked at meters and he was 2-3m behind bc he’d been sitting D all game

[mild thunder]

The only thing we’re good at is being durable into consistent dmg, but that falls off against casters

[lucid walrus]

made the mistake of playing brown class in the seventh month of 2023 moreover

[mild thunder]

Parry isn’t even that good when casters ignore it, rogues cc it, monk disarms it

The only thing, the ONLY thing warrior still excels at

Is we have the best motherfucking transmog options in the game

[scarlet flame]

true and real

warriors crit you for half your hp in s1 and its nerfed forever

boomkins crit you for 65% of your hp and its a skill issue

high winds

rogues turn your entire team into target dummies then 1 shot someone

melee get cucked the hardest from the most defensive CDS

warriors the most because its all phys damage

whos bright idea was it to make bop not work on magic damage?

rallying cry is the most dogshit defensive i hate using it

parry literally doesn't work if you stand behind me

ignore pain is okay, but id rather it be like mage bubble where its just a 100k shield or stops 100% of the damage dealt to me in the absorb

i think the only class with worse defensives is dk

and every class but warrior is ranged now lmao

[vapid tartan]

Anyone know if shadowflame wreathes still do more than Sophic with full gear?

[unique fox]

No it got nerfed pretty hard

[vapid tartan]

Just change eb to 2 charges of ms

[unique fox]

Playing fury war with an aug voker is pretty good so far

[mild thunder]

Ww still melee

[wheat jay]

Dh melee too

So is rogue

[mild thunder]

Melee+

They get extra range

Dh also has a lot of ranged abilities - beam, Glaive, hunt, felblade… I’d definitely say they lean a bit hybrid

[wheat jay]

Fair

Also tell me why doing dmg on dh is actually quite demanding

So many things to keep track off

Does dh play momentum in arena too?

Momentum would be fun tho

[lucid walrus]

we WILL look good at the bottom of the meters

that’s a promise

i wonder if i have the gold to finish my dread boots for the full set actually

[mild thunder]

the one advantage we will never lose

[wheat jay]

Dh is monke and jumps around

[mild thunder]

idk, you just listed all their problems and exaggerated them, ofc it seems bad lol

[wheat jay]

Warrior zero dmg, dies through defensives, roots keep you out of the game

One short stun

And negative range fear

If you want 3rd CC, it drs with storm bolt

[mild thunder]

they're no more cucked by roots than we are, they have reverse magic in place of intervene, darkness in place of rally, very high uptime on a ranged, aoe slow, 1 ranged stun and 1 aoe stun, a ranged, aoe fear, a ranged blind, good self-sustain, very good sustained dmg, strong burst with the ability to bait cd's with hunt fakes, extremely high mobility...

[wheat jay]

Big'ol bursties

[lucid walrus]

were dhs just made to replace us warriorbros

[mild thunder]

dh is literally just warrior with a more modern-wow class fantasy

[lucid walrus]

the side by side kit comparison makes that very visible

[mild thunder]

pretty much

hell, they even named the d4 barb resource fury instead of rage

[lucid walrus]

having zero magic dam is a very 2004 thing to do to a class, even if its whole thing is just using its weapon

[mild thunder]

ww is the only other spec that's all phys iirc

[lucid walrus]

hell, wod had that fiery weapon thing

[mild thunder]

ig ww has stomp, but that does like 2% of your dmg

[lucid walrus]

closest they get is stomp and xuen yeah

[mild thunder]

and tigereye, if we ever took it

but you literally cant rn lol

[wheat jay]

I feel like im gonna be losing a lot on dh:(

Since I don't know how they do dmg lol

But in raid its full monkey xD

[mild thunder]

build fury > spend fury

the pinnacle of class design

[raw summit]

Is it still like sl where i wanna kick/bolt/disarm eyebeam

[mild thunder]

just kick it

locks them out of doing any dmg afterwards

[raw summit]

And against owls i kinda just cry?

[mild thunder]

yes

[raw summit]

Cuz it feels kinda stupid how they dont take any dam

Permaclone too

[mild thunder]

clone spam is so dumb

with how quick they cast

i feel like i do a ton of dmg to boomkins on ww, just save your cc for when they're out of bear form

and they get pumped

[raw summit]

Incarn feels a bit like deathborne in sl

Kinda just dead if ur in it too long

Im just an elite set andy so imma just not get a boomkin in lobby and be fine

[mild thunder]

best solution icl

[raw summit]

Also been somewhat struggling with mm but i think that's a skill issue.

[wheat jay]

Fuck boomies

All my homies hate boomies

[raw summit]

🤝

[vapid tartan]

Playing fury/enh/disc into arms/unholy/hpal best option probably to just kill hpala right

ended up working but felt real messy

[mild thunder]

kill dk imo

can swap hpala on forbearance and sac

[vapid tartan]

yea that makes sense

[mild thunder]

but you gotta peel off if they're stacking on your disc... cant sit and let them hit all 3 of you

[vapid tartan]

Also, what’s good to drop for cleave with standard annhi build? Titanic rage and unbridled ferocity? Just ended up playing rb cleave bc I knew I wasn’t kt

[raw summit]

From a damage standpoint unbridled is a lot of throughput

[buoyant mulch]

Hi, im new into fury and most of my build is fairly standard, but idk about 4 things:

1. Should I use improved whirlwind and click whirlwinds in the arena? On RGB seems to make sense in big fights but in arena isnt it a waste of gcd and 1 talent point?
2. Should I use odyn fury or onslaugth, and why? On standard annihilator build.
3. Is shockwave needed? Because if u dont use whirlwind, the barbaric training again is 1 point wasted
4. I dont have t30 set, till i dont get it should I use cold Blood talent?

[vapid tartan]

yeah usually high up in dam, but only things I see are that and bt talents which you both want

Think I’ll just play rb build when I gotta cleave lol

don’t lose much doing it there

[mild thunder]

1. no, usually not. it slows down your rotation a lot to not give much in return
2. odyns fury for the avatar proc
3. yes
4. always use CSHB

[buoyant mulch]

Ok everything clear, expect odyn fury? If I would just switch Titan torment with the second one, clicking recklessness wouldnt give avatar also?

[mild thunder]

you only use recklessness and avatar together

[vapid tartan]

I tried playing without odyns fury doesn’t feel that good

[buoyant mulch]

Ok so when should I use odyn fury? In burst rotation, when im On The avatar effect and enraged?

[vapid tartan]

As a general rule any big ability should always be used while enraged

Since you get a big dam bonus from mastery

[buoyant mulch]

Okk and odyn fury with Titanic rage yup?

[vapid tartan]

Yeah

[buoyant mulch]

Ty

[modest marten]

do you guys take rebound vs mage

i get fucked without it

[slate root]

No, because it increases cooldown
Warlock has the same thing without the penalty

If you can run the mage to ice block, then shatter, then go in for the kill. You'll usually land it in that tight window
(I main mage)

By the time ice block has happened, they'll usually be out of alter time and only have 1 blink on cd

[opal acorn]

So u do get shutter?

I feel its useless

I used to be taking it but I don't anymore

[slate root]

In higher tiers, mages know this, so they'll run a different talent than ice block heal.
Or they will blink away before doing it

[slate root]

change builds depending on matchups

If you have a priest you probably don't need shattering throw cuz mass dispel

[elfin surge]

i hardly ever play shatter anymore

[opal acorn]

Ye same

[slate root]

Just run with a priest if you wanna mess up mages tbh

[elfin surge]

i find myself playing wrecking almost every game tho

[slate root]

priest can get rid of both AT and IB

And hpal if you're fury, because fury doesn't have bladestorm so they can just bop you

then train the mage

[opal acorn]

For some reason the hp in my team never use anything but on enemy they just spam bop in perfect rotation

[wheat jay]

Werent you playing ww or rogue now?

[elfin surge]

i main rbgs now

[wheat jay]

Ah yes

True pvp content

Where coordination is key

[opal acorn]

Rbgs are so fun when they are good

[slate root]

Rbgs are so fun when winning*

[opal acorn]

Y, but I had fun in some close loses as well. But when ppl are clueless and we getting farmed it's not that gr8

[elfin surge]

tru

[mild thunder]

shatter fucking sucks

[hot solstice]

first day playing ret

19-11 goes 1800

[random flare]

as a complete beginner to pvp would yall recommend arms or fury? Is one of them easier/more beginner friendly than the other or both pretty equal?

rn im running annihilator fury and i feel like im honestly pretty good when in BGs but i suck in arena

[mild thunder]

you wont find an easier spec than either arms or fury

literally the two most braindead, easy-to-play specs in the game

[random flare]

lol okay

[mild thunder]

nothing to track, no macro goals in the rotation, no real resource management

just press buttons as they light up

[random flare]

in that case for arenas specifically would yall reccomend fury or arms

[mild thunder]

they both suck, fury is a bit better but play whichever you prefer

[teal hedge]

Even at my lois I meg it happen

[vapid tartan]

About same difficulty but if you’re really lacking braincells play fury

[teal hedge]

^

Arms is more fun though

[vapid tartan]

I agree but that’s opinion tbf

[teal hedge]

It's the correct opinion

[slate root]

I feel like arms is easier cuz bladestorm zug zug

fury should have it too

[west mural]

bladestorm kinda meh, ye it gets u out of roots and good for cleave dmg

[lean burrow]

??? it shits on rogues and paladins completely

[west mural]

only thing that feels good is avatar to cs to mortal strike crit if buffed be4 into execute

who cares about rogues and paladins when all i see is casters

[lean burrow]

[west mural]

also u can just run away tbh or get saved

when u bladestorm u can't ast anything :(

storm of destruction bs is ok doe

if u talkinga bout melee comps in 2v2 skirmish then yes it's good

but that's not rly relevant

for example i go in shuffle at this moment i get ele/arcane/boomy

melees are rare

[muted surge]

But you can dodge cc

Which is huge

[spice hornet]

Anyone praying for tuning today?

[wheat jay]

lmao

as if

[spice hornet]

Am I in the hunter disc?

Nope, I’m in the warrior one. @wheat jay

[wheat jay]

no tuning

no buffs

no nerfs

maybe buff to balance

wouldn't surprise me at all lol

[spice hornet]

Yup

[west mural]

ye but isn't it sad to use your ultimate spell in the arms tree for somethign that nelf does for free with a racial...says alot, it just doesn't seem good vs casters

not as good as it should be

thoughts on best race for arms pvp in this patch? apart from gnome ofc

[muted surge]

wdym ultimate

[west mural]

i mean low down in the talent tree

[muted surge]

when was the last time BS did actual damage

Wrath ?

[scarlet flame]

yup

[mild thunder]

S1

Through unhinged

[muted surge]

so MS did damage

[sharp meteor]

You'd randomly kill people with it during Sinful.

[mild thunder]

You bladestormed and did dmg

Bladestorm really shouldn’t be a burst cooldown

It’s not fun to have to use it that way, and it’s dumb overpowered when you can

[scarlet flame]

but the BS wasn't doing the damage it was like skullsplitter triggering the dots

i like the idea of having BS do damage and having to get away from it

[mild thunder]

I mean, it’s the exact same thing

Who cares where the dmg comes from

You pressed bladestorm and it was your burst

[muted surge]

can aug still cc you in bs ?

[scarlet flame]

if you had a way to trigger unhinged with thunderclap you would, bs was just the button you pressed to get ms procs

you aren't pressing bs to do bs damage, you're pressing bs to do ms damage

[mild thunder]

I just don’t see how that matters… if the question is “when did bladestorm do dmg”, the answer is you pressed bladestorm to do dmg in s1

Bladestorm will never do good ST burst because it’s omega fucking boring in raid

[scarlet flame]

you pressed bs in wrath because it was actually a cd that did damage

[muted surge]

bcs yo uspend 2 points and not 1

[scarlet flame]

idk about sl tho

[mild thunder]

Hurr durr press button and afk

[muted surge]

just for more ms

the current BS doesnt feell good at all

remove unhinged, reduce time, buff dmg

[scarlet flame]

yeah i mean gala is right they wont change it because it turns it into a dumb pve ability

[mild thunder]

Trust me when I say having to trade bladestorm as a dmg ability is just not good

Makes using it for cc avoidance and root breaks and shit feel horrible

[scarlet flame]

i liked it in wrath when i could do damage to everyone around me instead of just being a cc immune retard

now i dont even care about it its just a 1 minute root break

[mild thunder]

Bladestorm is utility, not dmg… it could do literally zero dmg and I wouldn’t care because that’s not what makes it strong

[scarlet flame]

i think the issue is it went from not being just a utility button to just being a utility button

bs is an iconic button

its literally just a root break means nothing

[mild thunder]

Iconically boring… who wants to literally press something and afk to do dmg

[scarlet flame]

yeah but at this point its just personal opinions getting in the way

[mild thunder]

Play a caster at that point

[scarlet flame]

i dont personally care about the afk damage aspect

[mild thunder]

But this is also just… the button wasn’t “only utility” in s1, that’s what I mean

It’s not like you have to go far back

[scarlet flame]

i didn't play sl so i didn't experience that part of it

[mild thunder]

S1

Not SL

[scarlet flame]

sorry i missread the 1 as l

[mild thunder]

But yea SL too if you ran unhinged

[scarlet flame]

in s1 i was using it as ms button

[mild thunder]

Allg lol

[scarlet flame]

my point is that you didn't press it because it was bladestorm you pressed it because it had ms attached to it

but i think its just an opinion thing i can see where you're coming from

like if BS did zero damage and just proced 2 ms 4 seconds apart with no animation it would be the same as before right

[mild thunder]

I just don’t see why that matters. The original complaint was that it was boring because you didn’t press it for dmg. In s1 you pressed it for dmg

[scarlet flame]

the complaint was the damage wasn't coming from bladestorm and it was coming from ms in the bladestorm

and if you didnt' run unhinged you didn't press it for damage

[mild thunder]

And I distinctly remember a lot of people in here complaining about how ass it was to trade it as a dmg CD and not always be able to use it as utility

[scarlet flame]

yeah thats if its damage was actually insane like in wrath

using wrath bs for root break feels bad because it 4 hit people

i just wish it wasn't literally ignorable

[mild thunder]

It’s not… if you run unhinged

[scarlet flame]

i mean now it is

[mild thunder]

Well yes because everything arms does is ignorable lol

I also found another ability that ticks for more dmg on ww than ms peaks for on arms

[scarlet flame]

yeah dont post it

[mild thunder]

Xuen lightning ticks for 60-80k

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

Arms is so depressing man

[scarlet flame]

i think my point, idk about that guy, is personally id like the option of not running unhinged to do bs damage

[mild thunder]

I just don’t think it’s as fun as you think it is

Ntm it’s completely broken

[scarlet flame]

chasing after a caster who can't stop me from doing damage is fun

[mild thunder]

Also not that good… you’re not connecting on anyone with bladestorm unless you have spear or cc

“Hahahaha bladestorm on this mag- oh, he blinked”

[scarlet flame]

i will only speak from my experience in SS (no friends :)) there are a whole lot of situations i've been in where ive used bladestorm as a last root break to stay on the mage

idk about actual 3s so

maybe its different there

[mild thunder]

Yea, I just don’t have a problem with that

[scarlet flame]

what the no friends part or staying on the mage

[mild thunder]

Both

[scarlet flame]

maybe the mages are literal dogshit but i've been able to sit on casters with BS before

[mild thunder]

Yea they’re probably retards no cap

Unless it’s sp, that makes sense

[scarlet flame]

i try to use my shit after my partner forces them to use mobility

[mild thunder]

Imagine having your teammates force anything in SoloQ

[scarlet flame]

yeah i mean sometimes it happens

[mild thunder]

Not when I play

[scarlet flame]

sometimes i get the ret paladin that dies in 16 seconds

[mild thunder]

My teammates instantly drop 20 IQ when they’re on my team

[scarlet flame]

ss is so retarded because you can't play it like a real 3s match

i fucking hate it so much sometimes

but i like arena to much to not play it

[mild thunder]

SoloQ is the worst thing to ever happen for wow pvp

Real arena brackets will never be the same because of it

[scarlet flame]

i love it because it lets me play 3s without needing friends to play

no one i know likes wow pvp its dumb as fuck

[mild thunder]

PvP is already a small af playerbase, and now it’s spread across 3 casual game modes, and 4 ranked brackets

[scarlet flame]

but the issue with it is that its no coms and everyone knows better than everyone

[mild thunder]

So dumb

[scarlet flame]

also yeah i agree with the 4 ranked brackets is dumb as fuck

[mild thunder]

Delete brawls, delete SoloQ

Easy

[scarlet flame]

ill defend soloq cause i like it

i wont say its good or bad

[mild thunder]

I blame the streamers man

“Ohhh, the casual player base wants a SoloQ, blizz put it in, my chat always tells me how good it would be”

Venruki especially

Because he plays mage and looks soy af

[scarlet flame]

fuck mages

[mild thunder]

True

[scarlet flame]

mages counter warrior for 20 years and the second we can 2 hit them they bitch and whine and get it nerfed

[mild thunder]

Mages are irl cucks

[scarlet flame]

if you wear a dress in game you wear a dress irl

[hot solstice]

imagine surviving till 2nd spear just to see mage bugs out the spear with 2 insta blinks

[scarlet flame]

mages getting cucked with spear was so satisfying

those retards are so used to blinking away they used both blinks trying to get out and still had to IB it

[lean burrow]

maybe they are trying to bug it

[scarlet flame]

idk what the bug would be

the only bug i experienced was it not rooted someone in place even tho it hit them

[lean burrow]

you can get out of spear if you blink after getting pulled by spear

so either two blinks or running and blinking

i guess it's impossible with high ping

[scarlet flame]

i dont think i had that happen to me

[lean burrow]

you can do it even with a leap

[mild thunder]

leap, transcendence, shadowstep, blink, disengage, wild charge, glimpse... pretty much every class can bug spear lol

[stark reef]

Tbh, I miss playing solo-queue

Was a good time

Just currently cba to get back into it

[scarlet flame]

idk i dont take solo q to seriously because its rng

i like to think of it as practicing pvp mechanics

get some free ez xmog and conq

also its fun to pvp so

[stark reef]

After playing solo-queue in other games I need that RNG factor for a satisfying pvp experience

It’s not easier or harder than playing premade v premade, it’s just different

Having to adjust to different team-mates and opponents is a key one for me personally

[scarlet flame]

both have things that make it hard and it takes different playstyles to thrive in both

[stark reef]

Agreed

[scarlet flame]

cant play soloq expecting everyone to play it like 3v3 lol

[stark reef]

Had the same experience in M+ - even if you can clear higher keys with a premade, it’s always exciting to see what happens in a pug

[scarlet flame]

i wouldn't say exciting lol

[stark reef]

Well sometimes it’s attrocious but you also see people do new stuff you might not have seen before (good and bad)

Just feels “fresher”

[scarlet flame]

well i think in pvp there is clearly things that are wrong to do in every aspect

[stark reef]

I feel like with a premade you’re quickly at the point where you run your head into “the meta” - whether that’s true or people just cope

[scarlet flame]

in pve going one way or another doesn't cost you a run

you know assuming you aren't dying on CD and have 40 deaths at the end of the run

clearing 1 pack of trash or not doesn't cost you the run

giving a boomkin precog to fullmoon your guy could tho

[stark reef]

Not following actively but how has the esport version of solo shuffle done?

[fallen solar]

Are the servers down right now?

[scarlet flame]

they are not for na

[scarlet flame]

there is none lol

[fallen solar]

Im in na. I can’t log on!

[scarlet flame]

thats on u then

[stark reef]

Wasn’t there one? Where they had pros and people from the high end of the ladder play shuffle?

[fallen solar]

Down detector has a shit ton of outages at this time tho

[stark reef]

Or was that just a one off?

[fallen solar]

Just checked

[stark reef]

“Solo Shuffle Showdown” was the name

Might have been a one off though

[wheat jay]

@mild thunder bro

where good dh mogs?

wtf

shit's WACK

[mild thunder]

you can copy my ww mog

it's mostly useable on dh

and it's pretty sick imo

[wheat jay]

send

tho ngl raid monk set is pretty

i can get gauntlets from last boss O_O

[mild thunder]

old-school kinda set

[wheat jay]

mehhh

also im nelf

[mild thunder]

yea i actually really like the monk elite set this season... finally a monk set with real fucking boots

[mild thunder]

skill issue

[raw summit]

betrayed ur belf?

[wheat jay]

well

yes

shadowmeld poggu

[raw summit]

i just went human on my war cba be green

[wheat jay]

not much of a diff tbh

[raw summit]

racial's hardly usable but i look decent again

[scarlet flame]

meh? that set is clean

[wheat jay]

old

[scarlet flame]

so

[wheat jay]

OLD

thats all

[scarlet flame]

i keep forgetting you're a hunter main and therefore a retard

[mild thunder]

bayzed

[raw summit]

it never stops

[wheat jay]

ok GalaTard...

[scarlet flame]

you main a hunter

thats like a second grader telling me in an idiot, i literally dont care

[wheat jay]

and yet you're the Galatard while im Galartji

[scarlet flame]

sure thing kiddo ill hang it up on the fridge

[wheat jay]

please do

[mild thunder]

as the supreme GalaCHAD, i can confirm it's a clean mog

[scarlet flame]

its honestly not that old looking

[wheat jay]

i wish they reworked that mog

[scarlet flame]

its not a full set tho

[wheat jay]

some tiers deserve a rework

[scarlet flame]

im pretty sure only the boots and shoulders are part of a set

[wheat jay]

yep

and yet they stick out

[mild thunder]

the cool thing about ww is that you can use fake 2handers with your hidden fist weapon

gives you more variety

[scarlet flame]

isn't the focus of the set supposed to be shouldrs wep boots

[raw summit]

ww is neat for mog

havent tried mine in pvp yet - it seems like war but faster but idk

[mild thunder]

warr but actually viable

[scarlet flame]

you mean it seems like war but better in every way

[mild thunder]

the only thing warr does better is cc (kinda) and better durability outside of CDs

[raw summit]

guess i know to which char my boxes are going

[scarlet flame]

dude surv is fucking slept on tho @wheat jay that spec is so good

[mild thunder]

but ww defensives are actually so good rn

[wheat jay]

it is

[mild thunder]

karma actually being a useful button again

[wheat jay]

im just bored of it XD

[scarlet flame]

i hate seeing surv now

i dont mind seeing bm or mm

[mild thunder]

sv very strongo mongo

[raw summit]

surely theyll do some pve nerfs this reset n randomly delete moonkin from arenas while they are at it

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

dont nerf boomkin

buff warrior

to delete boomkin

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

both

[mild thunder]

he's here

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

[supple galleon]

this is the most useless I have ever felt on a warrior

[wheat jay]

bfa s4 was worse

you had worse utility, worse mobility, and dogshit rot dmg with bleeds

😄

[spice hornet]

Bfa s4 was indeed worse

This is definitely pretty close to that

Couldn’t even have any fun with gushing wounds

War needed boring ass vers stack only

[wheat jay]

Ye, to live xD

[spice hornet]

loved every 2s game going to damp no matter what

except if you fought a gusher dk or dh that just w keyd your healer

with mana rift

[wheat jay]

Lol ye

Stun mana Rift, dmg

Can't wait to become a retard dh and mongo forward

With rotation

And if it sucks, then warrior is another mongo i can swap to xD

[spice hornet]

survival was too difficult for artji 😦

too much power

[wheat jay]

Nah

Im fucking beast on survib

But sometimes one needs to relax

[sage raptor]

Survibal

[wheat jay]

At the start of s3 shadowlands I was like top 0.4% before I stopped playing

In 2s

Only playing against sub and other survis xD

[sage raptor]

Survisal

[wheat jay]

Yes

Now I added demon in front of hunter

[scarlet flame]

@wheat jay bro teach this retard how to play

[wheat jay]

Press bomb

[scarlet flame]

fucking moron trolled the entire lobby

[wheat jay]

How is he doing such low dps lol

Wait

Why is he not playing wildfire infusion?

[scarlet flame]

idk but he was dogshit

he died before turtle 3 times

[wheat jay]

Lol happens to the best

[spice hornet]

plot twist

that IS artji

[wheat jay]

And the worst

My hunt is called Survivartji

And im struggling with dps too recently

Doing like 35k dps only

Dont have conq accessories yet 😦

Part of the struggle is 2100+ mmr tho xD

Everyone is full gear, enchants, embellishments etc

[obsidian loom]

holy shit what did they do to arms

it does next to no dam

was it nerfed or something?

[scarlet flame]

ye

warrior dogshit

[spice hornet]

an aug giving me ebon might makes arms feel like its supposed to feel

[wheat jay]

Play fury with augmentation

Enjoy damage

[scarlet flame]

being able to actually climb on a class that fuctions is fun

from last match

this was the ww

literally double the damage

[wheat jay]

Was it double the dps tho

[scarlet flame]

well id rather have a 156k crit instead of a 76k crit

and considering rsk isn't reset 200 times a match id say its more impactful

it had basically half the casts and did 1m less damage

[spice hornet]

boomy is absolutely so broken

[wheat jay]

There arent too many oneshots now, so higher dps is usually preferable

[scarlet flame]

well its 2k less dps for something that is presed less so id say yeah its better

[elfin surge]

I'm doing like 0 damage right now, so I went to the gym to up my lifts to compensate

[spice hornet]

47 mortal strikes

[scarlet flame]

that guy also got a ton of value because of cleave

[spice hornet]

Wanna hangout? @elfin surge

[elfin surge]

yea

[scarlet flame]

i hit some moron for 100k overpower LOL

oh this was from a kotmogu ignore it

[hollow meadow]

what fury pvp talent to replce disarm with when against two casters

[elfin surge]

warrior buffs on tuesday

Warrior

Slam damage is now increased by 85% in PvP Combat (was 48%).
Arms
Developers’ notes: We’re increasing the damage of Bladestorm baseline and removing some power from the Unhinged talent, as its damage could be unpredictable for both the Warrior and their enemies. We’re also increasing the damage of Overpower to increase Arm Warrior’s consistent pressure.
Overpower damage is now increased by 30% in PvP Combat (was 20%).
Bladestorm damage increased by 40% in PvP Combat.
Mortal Strike damage increased by 10% in PvP Combat.
Mortal Strikes from the Unhinged talent are now cast at 60% effectiveness.
Fury
Developers’ notes: We’re increasing the damage of a few Fury Warrior spells we feel are not impactful enough in PvP.
Execute damage is now increased by 25% in PvP Combat (was 10%).
Onslaught damage increased by 15% in PvP Combat.
Ravager damage increased by 30% in PvP Combat.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-july-25/1636876

[west mural]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-july-25-1636876

lol beat me to it

[elfin surge]

i called it

did i not

[west mural]

wow they buffed bladestorm, who would have guessed it was only usefull as a gnome racial

[elfin surge]

@scarlet flame

@vapid tartan

[spice hornet]

They literally made our capstone even more fucking useless

Unhinged wasn’t ending any games

Even if it actually hit

[west mural]

it's a stupid mechanic imho

change it

[spice hornet]

Yeah it is

[west mural]

unpredictable damage eaten by pets

now it's useless

[spice hornet]

It’s like not having a talent there now

[west mural]

yea need to put it somewhere lese

[spice hornet]

Wrf we don’t even press spam

Slam

This is insane

[west mural]

it will feel bit better but still doesn';t seem good enough

[spice hornet]

Survival damage is literally getting buffed

[west mural]

maybe fury is ok

so the way i see it arms just got 10% mortral strike increase damage and about 7% to overpower compared to curent one and 1 talent point from unhinged

thoughts?

IF slam isn't being used ofc

bladestomr will still be escapable anyway

[vapid tartan]

I mean

Jesus

I was expecting worse tbh

[sharp meteor]

7% prot buff.

[vapid tartan]

unhinged def dead now lol, unless the bladestorm buff includes unhinged?

Wonder why they buffed ravager tho xd

[sharp meteor]

To make it...less unappealing?

[vapid tartan]

Yes but in what situation do you take it over options like odyns,onslaught and imp ww?

I like the exe buff def feels lacking in fury

Did unhinged feel unpredictable to y’all? Thought it was always 2nd and 4th tick

[scarlet flame]

wow id rather not have these changes

lol

[vapid tartan]

Don’t get why they r trying to make slam a button lol just buff ms or op more

[west mural]

idk after 10+ years slam is in the game when i come back, it's garbo

never like it, it's ass

[scarlet flame]

@elfin surge you did call it

i was expecting a bit more but

class still dogshit

dk it is ig

[vapid tartan]

He is one with the zug gods I guess

[elfin surge]

i know pvp tuning before they get posted

ppl who know pvp devs

tell me

[scarlet flame]

i am pretty dissapointed bro ngl

[vapid tartan]

so mud how u feel about unhinged now

[scarlet flame]

unhinged dogshit wym

[elfin surge]

was bad still bad

was bad even worse now

lol

[scarlet flame]

lol

[elfin surge]

they are worried

we might do

burst?

omg

[vapid tartan]

xd full moon

[west mural]

the last 4 talents under bladestorm are ass, they should be ashamed for making that branch

[vapid tartan]

Nah bro hurricane is great for the bleed pads in rbg

[west mural]

fine, not 1 of them is usable in arena, u can't shit on arms so hard that not 1 of your ultimate talents is usable

[vapid tartan]

I don’t understand why the unhinged changes or slam

Leave slam alone and give us old unhinged

Pretty nice

[west mural]

random dps counterable by mobs or a blink should not be so far down the pecking order

[vapid tartan]

like the ms it throws out isn’t anything major like a 300k full moon

I’ve hit like 160k ms maybe like 1/5 games? In 450

and I’m p sure those people weren’t fully geared either

[west mural]

bladestorm feels like it should be somewhere around skullsplitter

[vapid tartan]

Never thought I’d miss sks lol

[west mural]

ye u escape roots and force a blink or some low cd mobility spell

yay

[vapid tartan]

Overall tho atleast it’s something, guess just playing warlords and reg bladestorm most games now

[west mural]

and vs locks? :P

[scarlet flame]

just dont play warrior

lmfao

literally cucking yourself

[unique fox]

what fucking retard dev is still trying to make slam a thing

[elfin surge]

the same dev that thinks arms shouldnt have burst

[west mural]

u don't even have rage for slam if u are not a target

[unique fox]

Mud whens the first DK stream gonna be?

[west mural]

think arms should get either uptime on targets or big burst, obviously more than a caster wich has 100% uptime

[elfin surge]

I'm doing like 0 damage right now, so I went to the gym to up my lifts to compensate

[unique fox]

Hell yeah brother

[mild thunder]

I'm doing like 0 damage right now, so I went to the gym to up my lifts to compensate

[scarlet flame]

I'm doing like 0 damage right now, so I went to the gym to up my lifts to compensate

[unique fox]

real talk if you aint swole you aint shit

[elfin surge]

lol

[mild thunder]

damn bro, those are some good arms nerfs

[scarlet flame]

gz

[mild thunder]

compensation for the fact you'll never get another glad mount

[unique fox]

Anyone know what slams gonna crit for with this buff?

[elfin surge]

lol

[mild thunder]

60k

maybe

[elfin surge]

i always find broken comp with disc

somehowq

last ssn the best warrior comp was Disc turbo

everyone qn fistweaver and ret

[unique fox]

Wonder if it'll be possible to do big numbers with all the slam talents

[elfin surge]

im creating my own meta

[west mural]

bout fiddy smt

[mild thunder]

it wont

[spice hornet]

You know mud is down bad when he’s farming mounts @mild thunder

[mild thunder]

real

[unique fox]

I wanna know which dev thinks we have space in the rotation to press slam ever

Bring him to me

[elfin surge]

im doing t3 thing

randomly got mount

our new burst rotation

???

lets go slam buffs!

[unique fox]

Blizz will have us pressing slam if its the last fucking thing they do

[mild thunder]

i dont think they realise the problem isnt just slam dmg, it's that arms is omega gcd-locked

[elfin surge]

do they not know

we never press slam

with how high tactician procs are this xpan?

[mild thunder]

and battlelord

[west mural]

shhh, do u want them to nerf those to make us press slam instead of any other button?

next patch they make ms and overpower on 1min cd

[spice hornet]

Arms could never

[mild thunder]

idk why they're nerfing ww man

[severe skiff]

Guess mud's forum posts payed off, slam buffed, war fixed.

[mild thunder]

no cap tho, the arms buffs are actually so impressively misplaced and out of touch

idk what to say about it

slam buff = meaningless
overpower buff = decent, but incredibly minor
bladestorm buff = meaningless
mortal strike buff = meaningless
unhinged nerf = lol

[spice hornet]

I’m leveling the dk

[mild thunder]

mortal strike will do 77k instead of 70k

[spice hornet]

Sadly

[mild thunder]

wow guys

[spice hornet]

Throwin in the towel

[mild thunder]

ww/dk when

[severe skiff]

More notes on monday, I'm sure rend buffs will come in to sweeten the deal

[spice hornet]

Soon

[vapid tartan]

It’s a long term project to convert arms to slam spec slowly

Tbh

[mild thunder]

you're US right, @spice hornet

?

[vapid tartan]

Eventually sharpen will be buffing slam

[spice hornet]

Yup PST

[vapid tartan]

Just wat h

[digital rover]

warriors getting buffed : ) DK and Arms about to be best friends?

[mild thunder]

more like a rend nerf

[unique fox]

when are the spear of bastion buffs coming

1min cd 8s duration, give it to me

[spice hornet]

You didn’t see the ptr notes? Next patch spear is being replaced with necro banner

[mild thunder]

we bouta be best friends

[spice hornet]

We already were

[mild thunder]

trueeeee

pretty surprised uhdk wasnt nerfed tbh

they only do 350k globals

[vapid tartan]

real?

haven’t seen one hit that high yet thank god

[rotund trellis]

yo where tf is the conquest bar??

[vapid tartan]

Uncapped

[rotund trellis]

really?

ok

[west mural]

funny how many people put sub rogue in the same tier list as war while it can actualy burst vaster, be invisible, be extremly mobile and have tons of disable

do any of these people play war?

[mild thunder]

it's a bunch of pops in 1 global

[lucid walrus]

slam spec slam spec

0.1% dam buff

wait they buffed ravager LMAO

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet whatre you naming the dk

better be good

[spice hornet]

Mudjr

[mild thunder]

weak

qfiend is a good name for a dk tbh

makes more sense for dk than warr

[gritty halo]

so is fury or arms going to be preferred after the changes?

[mild thunder]

ww

[elfin surge]

wtf the boys doin rn?

[spice hornet]

I’ll name it Qfiend too

[elfin surge]

@zenith thicket

[mild thunder]

@zenith thicket

explain

[spice hornet]

Is that the stormforged weekly meet up?

[mild thunder]

Obsidian Gladiator Qfiend

gonna be the best walking dead cleave in NA

[radiant flint]

Is slam still a meme you think?

[scarlet flame]

ofc it is

[elfin surge]

ya

[scarlet flame]

lmfao

40% buff on something that does no damage is a meme yes

[elfin surge]

we just dont press it

always an overpower to press

[unique fox]

just run storm of swords and merciless bonegrinder with the ww slam talent lol

[scarlet flame]

this is nice to see

high winds nerfed in half

[unique fox]

damn thats a big ass nerf

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder

[mild thunder]

they also got pve buffs

that trickle into pvp

arguably a net buff

[scarlet flame]

true

@mild thunder yo i actually got my wish tho, 40% BS damage

fuck i jinxed it didn't i

[mild thunder]

and lost a ton of ms dmg

[scarlet flame]

FUCK ME LOL

[scarlet flame]

i love this reddit

[rotund trellis]

a compliment, iguess?

[severe skiff]

Pretending you don't know what scripting is, intervene script confirmed

[rotund trellis]

[vapid tartan]

Tried out slam talents on arms. Ofc dummy inflates numbers, but I think it could be good to press a couple times after ms during reck window since with talents itll have 60%+ crit chance. With current inc buffs it should do about same average dps as op and crit higher, but the amount of times in actual pvp where you have 0 op charges, ms on cd along with bleed and slows up is so little so idk if the points really worth. If they end up increasing the buffs on monday even more could actually be cool

[scarlet flame]

if full slam investment ends up with it criting for over 100k id play it but i doubt it

[vapid tartan]

swap tclap to slam talents on warr tree, and unhinged on arms

[scarlet flame]

yeah except these "buffs" aren't changing the issue with warrior

[vapid tartan]

doubt its doing that much with current buffs in actual pvp