pvp

[mild thunder]

exploiter? nerfed to irrelevancy for pvp, nice for pve

[stable siren]

i would atleast like 2 have hamstring off the gcd again

they put it back on in.....leegion i think?

idk it all blurs togethor

[mild thunder]

although, i gotta say

[stable siren]

or give us og peircing howl no cd only rage perma slow bot

[mild thunder]

with how much value we got out of exploiter in s1

i kinda wish i tried exploiter necrolord in SL

since it was completely unnerfed outside of venthyr

[stable siren]

yeah banner necro was nice

[mild thunder]

SL classic when

[stable siren]

no plz never again i dont want seed back

or convoke

[mild thunder]

seed was so dumb

[stable siren]

fucking i cried every time it got bopped

at the end of a long match and shatter was down cause used 2 kil

and no priest

although aftershock one shots was very funny

[mild thunder]

i unironically miss SL

[stable siren]

shockwave, full send, gg ez or gg leave group

[mild thunder]

i remember running aftershock/the hunt with dh/arms 3s

[stable siren]

i miss some of shadowlands i think s4 was good, s1 was ok if u didnt do keys or needed to ahve multiple specs, fucking keys was a nightmare as a prot warrior with venthr

[mild thunder]

both running the soulbind that gave us increased mastery for bieng near other night faes

was so fun

[stable siren]

oh yeah free stats

yeah the amount of stats from that tree was nuts

[mild thunder]

NF soulbinds were so busted lmao

idk how pelagos got nerfed so quick but niya was left untouched

[stable siren]

my guess is the outcry people smage that nerfing something that we couldent change super easily

like mage or tanks in legion

[scarlet flame]

[spice hornet]

Lol ran into him before

Seen an influx of offensive names lately that seem to be sticking around awhile

For example Gaysexcousin

[scarlet flame]

LOL

[stable siren]

WHERE?

i mean how gross

i cant believe its not gaysexdad

@mild thunder Found a vid of the perfect class balance

[scarlet flame]

yup i agree

1 shot mages

[stable siren]

mage blocked skill issue

[scarlet flame]

i can't crit 200k with mortal strike but mages can hard counter me for 20 years

[obsidian loom]

Why do I have less hp than my rsham

[scarlet flame]

why did i sit on a shadow priest for 4 minutes straight and do no damage

MS damage

[spice hornet]

Yup sounds right

[spice hornet]

That pic makes me sad

Are you full geared

[scarlet flame]

445

i was even using this

was damage i did for that arena

[mild thunder]

86k peak

38k average

bro wtf is this

[scarlet flame]

[stable siren]

was it against a lock cursing u or something?

[scarlet flame]

no it was a 3v3 skrim

and the rogue died in 2 globals because he had 290k hp

so it was me ele mw vs sp hpal

and i sat on sp for literally 4 minutes straight and did no damage

we won becaus the hpal went out of mana and gave up

[spice hornet]

ROFL

[spice hornet]

spriest defensives are ridic

especially with hpal

[fickle forge]

Maybe they should reduce Martial Prowess to 5% amp, this looks kinda broken

Kinda mega sad your OP outdamaged MS

[mild thunder]

we'd be better off if mortal strike buffed overpower at this rate

unironically

okay, first steps for them to fix arms in the 11.0 rework (they'll totally do it guys )

replace battlelord with enduring blow
replace mastery:deep wounds with mastery:deep wounds 2.0 - critical strikes do an additional x% dmg as a bleed over 6 seconds (burstier, less bland, synergises with crit instead of being a dead stat)
condemn choice node with enduring blow (alternate playstyles to keep it interesting, while ensuring we dont become too OP by giving us both)
replace double time with 12sec charge CD (less egregious, overall more thought required to use)
overwatch/safeguard choice node in class tree
delete skullsplitter - was polarising at best when it was good, but overall most people hate it
replace exhilarating blows with mortal combo - infinite ms resets feels retarded, MC had a more fun animation and audio
delete FoB, dance of death and replace them with real nodes that are both pvp/pve viable
consolidate slam talents so that it doesnt have so much opportunity cost to make our most basic dps ability remotely worth pressing
add slam to the storm of swords modifier
DELETE THE FUCKING MASSACRE ANIMATION

boom

warrior solved

and literally none of that is OP

[sage raptor]

Too long, didn't read.

But you're wrong

But I have a better idea

[mild thunder]

better feedback than i'd expect from a blizz dev

[sage raptor]

okay, first steps for them to fix arms in the 11.0 rework (they'll totally do it guys )

replace battlelord with enduring blow
replace mastery:deep wounds with mastery:deep wounds 2.0 - critical strikes do an additional x% dmg as a bleed over 6 seconds (burstier, less bland, synergises with crit instead of being a dead stat)
condemn choice node with enduring blow (alternate playstyles to keep it interesting, while ensuring we dont become too OP by giving us both)
replace double time with 12sec charge CD (less egregious, overall more thought required to use)
overwatch/safeguard choice node in class tree
delete skullsplitter - was polarising at best when it was good, but overall most people hate it
replace exhilarating blows with mortal combo - infinite ms resets feels retarded, MC had a more fun animation and audio
delete FoB, dance of death and replace them with real nodes that are both pvp/pve viable
consolidate slam talents so that it doesnt have so much opportunity cost to make our most basic dps ability remotely worth pressing
add slam to the storm of swords modifier
DELETE THE FUCKING MASSACRE ANIMATION

I think my idea is much better tbh

[mild thunder]

based + real + true + valid + thank you

[sage raptor]

🙏

[mild thunder]

did you see my joker copypasta?

[sage raptor]

I did not

Am I missing out on some pasta gold?

[mild thunder]

observe

most productive 20 minutes of my life spent writing that

[sage raptor]

Yeah thats pretty good lol

And accurate

[mild thunder]

i had a good giggle

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet feedback

andf then i post it to forums (i wont)

[hot solstice]

did they buff conq gains?

[wheat jay]

69lvl

nice

[lucid walrus]

massacre anim needs like 1.25x speed

i do just miss old execute's anim sometimes

[opal acorn]

Why

[gaunt dune]

which spec is recommended for ss, arms or fury?

[lucid walrus]

hit very hard in SL with no fancy animation

hits like shit rn with an intricate one. it’s odd

[opal acorn]

The animation is decent imo, I won't argue too much about the dmg.

[lucid walrus]

it doesn’t look bad at all don’t get me wrong

just feels sluggish and i think it still has that input delay that condemn did between when the windup starts and when the damage is dealt

[elfin surge]

about equal, both not great rn

[lean burrow]

I got better idea

give rootbreak from fury to arms

gg, arms S tier

[last turret]

really love casters meta omfg i cant fking connect to mage and sp so tanky

[lean burrow]

has anyone tried exitlag in wow?

[mild thunder]

@scarlet flame this is my like 430 ilvl monk

compared to your almost-full-geared arms

rip bozo

[mild thunder]

the animation looks cool, the problem is that it functions poorly

if you press exe and someone runs out of range mid animation, you'll lose a global

it needs to be a glyph or something if they want to keep it

[opal acorn]

This shouldn't be a thing tho cause the dmg is registered when u press the button. Animation shouldn't matter, its not a dps ability

[lean burrow]

it actually does lose a global

try on dummy, press execute and run out of range

[mild thunder]

yea it's definitely bugged, if you either just stand there using it you can see the damage is delayed to the actual hit

or test the bug

[opal acorn]

I am not saying it doesn't happen, I am saying it shouldn't cause this is not how dmg should be registered.

[mild thunder]

it's been bugged since it was released in SL

they'll never fix it because it's 1. not complained about enough and 2. doesnt really affect pve

[wheat jay]

Old bug

[opal acorn]

That's a different story tho. If it's a bug (it is) it's on them to fix it, and they should fix the bug not the animation.

[wheat jay]

Super annoying

[mild thunder]

they should

they wont

[wheat jay]

Been in the game whole SL

Even when condemn was #1

[mild thunder]

that's why there were those cringe bugs where your death sentence wouldnt charge you to the target

it'd just hit from range and fuck you over

[limber relic]

HAHAH

this class is legit a JOKE

why didnt i reroll sooner

[wheat jay]

Yep balance is broken

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-cringe-meme-cringe-imagine-gif-23477312

[limber relic]

blizzard is absolutly derp

[opal acorn]

So every melee outdmg us now?

[limber relic]

pretty much yes

[urban wind]

All we want is for warrior to be broken and win everything and never be “fixed” idk why that’s too much to ask for

[spice hornet]

I like how sun fire and moon fire each tick as much as ua/corruption

[limber relic]

• crashing star / shooting star

kekw

[lucid walrus]

had a boomy tell me “you do so much damage” on my ret when he was within 100k of #1 dam most times and ended up going 5-1 in the lobby

why is that spec like that

there’s just nothing missing from their kit

[mild thunder]

A triumphant roar echoes from atop the Seat of the Aspects as Nasz'uro, the Unbound Legacy is formed.

[wheat jay]

Mud bought glad confirmef

Did you buy it from Dekel?

Was he piloting your account!?

[mild thunder]

basedddd

[sharp meteor]

I think he got banned for a month on his other shitposting acc so he's just going nuts with this one.

[elfin surge]

continue playing those

[sharp meteor]

Moonkin/Shadow nerf waiting room.

Chill time to be collecting moggies in Naxx.

[last turret]

got 1 shot again from boomkin he went 6-0 haha

[mild thunder]

ok no cap

i dont think im ever going back to warr

ww is so much more fun

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

i will advocate for my arms bros

i will alt it if it's fun again

but it's just so boring and braindead compared to anything else

[wheat jay]

You leaving survi too?

Wack

[west mural]

any ideea what's the best ration between vers/haste/mastery/crit atm for arms war?

this haste prio for war seems ass

and the lack of crit seems even more ass

[mild thunder]

idk, it's kinda fun to jump fully into ww

[wheat jay]

Fair enough

Im going full dh next season

Already lvl 70 xD

[mild thunder]

fun to get to learn all the ways to use the utility, not knowing how to optimise everything just yet

[mild thunder]

nice

dh/warr with karg?

[wheat jay]

Assuming Kargish wants to

He's weird when it comes to comps

He hates zugzug, yet he played turbo with afro

Wants setup comps, yet he plays warr

[mild thunder]

setup comps in this economy

[wheat jay]

Played kitty where cat was the big brainer

Played KFC which was zug zug too, but with more CC, basically all about me not inting

He likes warr sp and warr mage which is fair, those seem fun on paper

But dh+warr will be almost like KFC

Similar kits

Just more straightforward dmg profile

[mild thunder]

i mean

true setup comps dont really exist anymore tbh

everything is either pve or semi-pve comp

[wheat jay]

Last time there were setup comps was rmp in early shadowlands

[mild thunder]

warr/sp is very fun, i can get behind that

warr/mage is eh

[wheat jay]

I understand Kargish doesnt want full zug zug

But if he doesn't want full zug zug comp, then warrior is not the class to main for it

[mild thunder]

truueee lol

best comps if he doesnt want full zug would be to just stick as kfc

maybe warr/mage

or reroll

is he even subbed tho

[wheat jay]

Sticking to kfc is not up to him tho

Like, I am doing him a favour by Rolling dh

Cuz first plan was to roll warrior

Since he said he's out

I'm making dh in case he wants to play

[mild thunder]

yea that's fair

cant blame him for wanting out tho

im only back because i took a break for ~2 months at the start of the season, so game is fun and fresh again

[wheat jay]

Its not that he needed to get out

He played shuffle with 0 gear

As arms

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

And decided game is trash

[mild thunder]

based if true

[wheat jay]

Ye bro, let me play some dh games with 0 gear

[mild thunder]

but shuffle locks you out <437

[wheat jay]

Ye he had literally that

[mild thunder]

that should be enough to not get omega-cucked

but also playing arms

is an L

[wheat jay]

He just decided to do dumb shit

Instead of playing KFC 3s and getting gear

For some fun games with homies

[mild thunder]

i might just spam rbgs

for gear

can get enough conq for alts too that way

[wheat jay]

Or play main

Buy conq boxes

[mild thunder]

my main is my ww

and still only 442

[wheat jay]

I need only accessories on survi

After that I'll gear up dh

Best thing is, if I change job before 10.2 I'll be in raid group again

[mild thunder]

i cant raid

i want to, but every time i try i burn out on wow in the first month

having to commit to specific times and headbang for 3 hrs/2 nights a week just isnt for me

[wet scarab]

the raid difficulty is pretty easy this time around, you can full clear heroic in less than 2 hours

[mild thunder]

i enjoy the actual content, but not the experience

[wet scarab]

like a month ago you could clear it that fast

[mild thunder]

if i ever raid againl, it'll be with a super casual, 1 night raid group

[wet scarab]

everyone is bis-geared in pve in like 3 weeks

[mild thunder]

on weekends

also

why does everyone wanna raid friday/sat nights

im 21, im not some boomer

i can go out on weekends

[wet scarab]

I dont know that many guilds that raid weekends tbh

we do tuesday/thursday until we get aotc, then everyone fucks off to other games or does m+

then they all come back for aotc the next tier

[mild thunder]

might be an oce thing but every guild i know is wed/fri, wed/sat

hit me up with a saturday or sunday lunchtime raid

i dont have to sleep early for work, i dont wanna go out

perfect time

[wet scarab]

early bird raid special 😄

[mild thunder]

i used to work really late shifts back in SL, so i raided with a singapore guild

was raiding at like 2-3am starts lmao

[wheat jay]

I raid cuz its my guild

Theyre fucking best xD

[mild thunder]

yea i really like my current guild

ive been in like a dozen from SL s1 - now

but this is my favourite, probably

[spice hornet]

A lot of raiders are people with families that don’t do anything on the weekends

[mild thunder]

real, boomers + kids

[spice hornet]

Imagine

[mild thunder]

i cant

[fallen solar]

Do server locations make a difference in ping where they are based at as well as you?

Like east coast and a east coast server?

[spice hornet]

Yeah

I get <30MS on a west coast server which I know they have in LA, I am like 1hr from LA

If I play an east coast it’s double

In Spain I was over 100ms when I stayed there a couple months

[mild thunder]

what was in spain?

[spice hornet]

Your mom

[mild thunder]

[spice hornet]

We had went on a 12 day vacation there in May and really enjoyed it and so we went for like 70 days later on in the year

[mild thunder]

absolute menace of an emote

[spice hornet]

Ass eating emote

[mild thunder]

dunno how that's an icon in the game

[mild thunder]

that's cool though... which part of spain were you staying in?

[spice hornet]

We were in Barcelona

It was sick

I highly recommend

[mild thunder]

i will go overseas

one day

[spice hornet]

Delicious food, much cheaper than a lot of other EU countries, nice people, weather, with tons to do

[green anchor]

40°C in shade

[mild thunder]

nice! i think i wanna travel to netherlands first tho

and new zealand - cant die without visiting matta matta

hobbiton

[spice hornet]

What do you wanna do there? 😏

Oh australias Canada

[mild thunder]

haha, nah my family immigrated to aus from netherlands post-ww2

[spice hornet]

I’m in Cali which gets as hot and hotter at times so not too bad I think almost everywhere in the world is hot

[mild thunder]

so wanna visit, reconnect to my imagined immigrant roots

[spice hornet]

That’s awesome, gotta check out the motherland

[green anchor]

Then I gues you're already used to it

[spice hornet]

I want to go to the Netherlands too I’ve heard good things

@green anchor where are you in Spain

[mild thunder]

i still have some distant family over there, but no one ive ever spoken to before lol

[green anchor]

I'm not in Spain lol but visited a few times

[spice hornet]

Yeah I wouldn’t speak to any Australian famiky@members either

[green anchor]

Portugal as well

[mild thunder]

yea, i heard a lot of stories and stuff as a kid

especially heard a lot about how there's no real spiders or roaches over there

unlike australia

[mild thunder]

[green anchor]

yeah those are not a thing in EU

[mild thunder]

name an animal and it's a thing in aus

[green anchor]

and in your house

[mild thunder]

im very lucky ive only had one spider in my apartment since living on my own

i cant do creepy-crawlies man

[green anchor]

get them all the time but they're small and not venomous

[wheat jay]

Nah, mine are clowns

[mild thunder]

oh yea, i get daddy longlegs and other small stuff all the time

they dont count as real spiders

[wheat jay]

Thus the guildname is Clown Town

[mild thunder]

i mean the big, hairy fuckers that stare at you on the wall

[wheat jay]

Bro you Australian?

[mild thunder]

yessirrr

[wheat jay]

Oof

I knew one australian

He was overusing steroids

[green anchor]

haha he gets the Huntsman spider's gazes

[mild thunder]

they just sit on the wall like

bro you aint paying rent, fuck off

[green anchor]

you need a 9mm for those

[mild thunder]

the only reason id support lifting aus gun laws

[wheat jay]

Get yourself a flameyhrower

Spider on the wall?

Burn the house down

[mild thunder]

very valid

[magic wing]

Huntsman is friend

[scarlet flame]

WW could be my next alt after dk

[scarlet flame]

yeah i mean i normal hit a sp with 700k for 38k on my main damage ability so i think it needs a nerf

[wheat jay]

That's why I dont kill

I move them outside

[gaunt dune]

XD are you everywhere?

[mild thunder]

another one joins the ranks of the gala army

@rich tiger

@lost jungle

@terse shuttle

@rigid goblet

we are many. we are legion.

[wheat jay]

Can someone change my name to Galartji here?

[scarlet flame]

what is this dumbass trinket bro

[mild thunder]

you can

[wheat jay]

Can't

Where save button

Found it

[mild thunder]

based

[scarlet flame]

you convinced me to join too

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

we will rise together

galamud when

[wheat jay]

Galaforged

[gaunt dune]

hahaha XD

What is currently the most appropriate build for SS?

[wheat jay]

Full moon i believe

[mild thunder]

whatever spriest runs

[wheat jay]

Mind spike insanity or sth

[scarlet flame]

i dropped a bit of vers for some more mastery i was at 33%

[lean burrow]

galaturd

[spice hornet]

It really feels like we only have any pressure when stuff crits. But the problem is our crit is extremely low since everyone is running haste mastery. But I’d drop mastery, our abilities will hit less

[mild thunder]

have you tried... getting good?

but yea, rolling ww makes stats feel so good

i dont care about haste because i get 50% during burst from alpha and xuen

[slate root]

arms?

[mild thunder]

i dont care about crit because i get 30% from keefers

so i just giga-stack mastery and oneshot

[slate root]

@spice hornet I ask cuz fury is better rn because of Slaughterhouse, still both aren't in a great place.
Pressure comes from maintaining stacks so your healer outlasts their healer

[spice hornet]

No, arms

[slate root]

swap fury for the slaughterhouse

[mild thunder]

fury

what's the point of rerolling if you're going from D tier to C tier

[slate root]

a C is passing

[spice hornet]

Not in grad school BUDDY

[slate root]

zug zugs don't go to college

Just get gud and use slaughterhouse

so you can actually do dmg

Use charge to maintain it on multiple targets

36% less healing per target on top of dampening

at 12 stacks

[mild thunder]

grad school? more like glad school amirite

[vapid tartan]

[slate root]

[scarlet flame]

i would never play fury in pvp

that shit is cringe

[vapid tartan]

Doubt playing fury for ms alone is a good idea lol, arms on use +50% sharp window

Highly doubt you’ll be cleaving to 12 stacks often

[slate root]

12 stacks is easy to get??
They should increase it to 4% and make it 9 stacks instead of 12 though. Would make fury smoother on swaps

[slate root]

keep doing no dmg then 🤷

[vapid tartan]

Yes but it’s not as fast or strong as arms ms in general

you can instantly swap into a 50% ms on arms

and hitting ms once on swap for 25 still a lot faster than taking the time to build slaughter stacks

[slate root]

I beat almost every arms in a duel bc of slaughterhouse and battle trance

I can't beat dh though, too much healing and burst

[vapid tartan]

I’m sure duels are very relevant to arena

[slate root]

when I say duel, I meant going head to head in arena. Arms zugs almost every time for a duel because you guys think arms is better than fury

and you do no dmg now

[scarlet flame]

you'll do no damage as fury too idk why you said that

[vapid tartan]

There’s really not that big of a diff lol

Btw more arms above 2400 than fury xd

[scarlet flame]

arms and fury both suck dick

[vapid tartan]

^

[slate root]

this is also true

don't disagree there

both need buffs

[slate root]

Healing reduc still brings value in a 3's, if neither can land kills, then at least helping the other guy land one is something

[slate root]

more players play arms

[scarlet flame]

arms is better for healing reduction that actually matters

your stacks can fall off more easily

sharpen is better than slaughter house

[vapid tartan]

You literally just explained why arms would be better when you want an ms lol

What is this logic

[slate root]

4 second duration right?

[vapid tartan]

False

[scarlet flame]

4 seconds of 50% ms and 25% always is better than fury ms

[vapid tartan]

3.8% fury and 3.3% arms in top 5000

Xd

[slate root]

slaughterhouse is like 20 secs

[vapid tartan]

2.9% arms above 2400, 2.3% fury above 2400

So how are there more arms?

[scarlet flame]

you have to stack it up

and it falls off after 20 seconds

this is on a holy priest

ms

[vapid tartan]

Looks like u need slaughterhouse bro

[slate root]

that's still not the distribution of arms vs. fury: arms is more popular than fury in pvp currently

your saying how many are at that rating, but I'm saying that's because more are playing that spec

[vapid tartan]

you can literally see fury has a higher representation across all brackets

meaning there are more players

of the top 5000 across all brackets there is a higher percentage of arms above 2400

idk whats hard to understand lol

[slate root]

I literally have wow leaderboards up rn for 3v3

[vapid tartan]

you said in pvp xd

so i picked all brackets

[slate root]

yeh ik what you tried to do

and it's fine

[vapid tartan]

then specify in the 3v3 bracket? lol

either way your argument of slaughterhouse being better than ms is still not true

[slate root]

20 seconds of healing reduc vs 4 secs

lemme just ice block when you sharpen

or turtle

or bop

or walk away

[lean burrow]

how do slaughterhouse stacks work?

I forgor

one rampage 8 stacks? up to 32 I think

[slate root]

press rampage, 1 stack of slaughterhouse 3% healing reduc, stacks 12 times for 36% healing reduc

lasts 20 seconds

and if they clear it you just go hit them again

can be on multiple targets

[lean burrow]

so 1 rampage 12% reduction

[vapid tartan]

theres also far more fury in shuffle xd which has more players so your point that theres more arms is still untrue unless you'd have specified in 3v3

[vapid tartan]

no

you get 3% every rampage

and it stacks 12 times

[slate root]

Shuffle skews fury
all other brackets of rated are popular for arms

[vapid tartan]

to a max of 36

[lean burrow]

no way

it wasn't that garbage

[vapid tartan]

lol

[lean burrow]

rampage is 4 hits

[slate root]

Used to be better but they nerfed it, still better than sharpen

[vapid tartan]

yeah i mean even then the numbers are still close lol

[vapid tartan]

itll take you what, atleast 10 secs to get slaughterhouse to even 24%? vs a gcd on arms

fury good but its ms being better than arms is not one of the reasons why lol

[slate root]

Slaughterhouse stays, that one gcd you just walk away from for 4 seconds

[vapid tartan]

so does ms???

[slate root]

sharpen healing reduc is 4 seconds

[vapid tartan]

you are aware we always have a 25% reduc right

unless its hard for you to press ms

[scarlet flame]

all this shows is either fury is worse than arms or worse than arms for 3v3

[scarlet flame]

it also is not better than sharpen

[slate root]

difference is, yours is one target

[vapid tartan]

Sweeping strikes, unhinged bladestorm, simply pressing tab for a gcd

[slate root]

MS and sharpen only applies to one target

slaughtering strikes can apply to two, if you go to three you can't maintain it

at least I can't, someone better maybe with a shit ton of haste

[scarlet flame]

so if fury is better, easier to play, has better ms

why is arms more popular

[slate root]

big numbers

[scarlet flame]

?

fury hits the same numbers

ive seen 100k bloodbaths

[vapid tartan]

in what rating are people stacking to let you cleave 12 rampages and keep them up??

[scarlet flame]

our numbers are also dogshit so idk where the big numbers is

[slate root]

If that were the case then fury would be better because it hits faster, arms appeal is big numbers

[scarlet flame]

there are no big numbers

???

[slate root]

then fury is better

[scarlet flame]

then why is arms more popular

[vapid tartan]

this guy has not played arms this patch

[slate root]

Because people want to hit big numbers 🤷‍♂️ , also you guys have bladestorm. Which does make you guys arguably better for surviving

[scarlet flame]

this is ms from an entire brawl with 447 ilevel

there are

no big

numbers

in arms

[slate root]

wen fury get bladestorm

[scarlet flame]

so im waiting on why arms is more popular if fury is "better" in every aspect

[slate root]

I have two blades, I should get twice the storm

[vapid tartan]

I just hope he shows his checkpvp

[scarlet flame]

you do more damage, more self healing, "better ms"

[slate root]

because if you google, it says arms is better for pvp because it hits harder

doesn't mean it's true

[scarlet flame]

so its not true that more players are higher rated as arms than fury

but fury is better for pvp

[slate root]

well it depends the bracket, if you ask yermal there are more fury in solo shuffle that are higher than arms

[vapid tartan]

that’s not what I said at all lol

[scarlet flame]

but you care about 3v3

[slate root]

correct

[scarlet flame]

which has double the amount of arms

than fury

so

[slate root]

Yeah so arms is better, but it does less damage

🤷‍♂️

[vapid tartan]

I said there’s more fury in shuffle, but there’s more arms above 2400

[scarlet flame]

but fury is better

[slate root]

fury is better

[scarlet flame]

but you said arms is better just now

[slate root]

we don't have bladestorm

[slate root]

correct

[scarlet flame]

so you're a retard

[slate root]

fury can reflect one spell

[vapid tartan]

[slate root]

arms can zug

and not get hit because of bladestorm

[vapid tartan]

What’s your toons name

[scarlet flame]

yes you are a retard

[vapid tartan]

I need to see this

[scarlet flame]

got it

[slate root]

warrior is my alt, I'm main mage.

[scarlet flame]

mage main

[slate root]

but my fury is fully geared:)

rating is mid

[vapid tartan]

Makes sense

[slate root]

I also play resto druid

🙂

[slate root]

ow my feelings are so hurt
almost as bad as mortal strike

[scarlet flame]

[scarlet flame]

fury is better but arms is better but fury is better but arms is better but fury is better

[vapid tartan]

U gonna let a 1600 fury talk to you like that @scarlet flame

[scarlet flame]

yeah cause the second he said the above statement idc what he has to say

[tranquil hemlock]

Fury feels better to me simply because of blood rage

I just came back yesterday

Only 2.1 player tho

[vapid tartan]

see now that’s a better reason lol

[tranquil hemlock]

Just my two cents

[vapid tartan]

Than slaughterhouse > ms

bloodrage gnome is nice

[tranquil hemlock]

I also like just holding w over having an actual rotation because I’m old and washed up

[scarlet flame]

arms doesn't have a rotation

[tranquil hemlock]

Let me rephrase I have to think more on arms than fury

For me personally

[scarlet flame]

think about what pressing one button that lights up over the other

op op ms op ms op op ms ms ms op op ms

[vapid tartan]

woah dude don’t forget we have to apply bleeds and press ip off gcd

On top of keeping them slowed

[scarlet flame]

good thing rend lasts 30 seconds

[mild thunder]

peak DF class design

dont worry guys, microsoft will save us

[scarlet flame]

i dont even care about the rotation

just do something

literal fly on the wall

if my class did damage i wouldn't give 2 shits about the rotation

[mild thunder]

ok but

what if

[scarlet flame]

i dont play pvp for some pve retard rotation

[mild thunder]

microsoft came in

and realised wow pvp is actually unique

and saved us all

[scarlet flame]

i would start to believe in god

[mild thunder]

can you imagine

[scarlet flame]

no

[mild thunder]

same

[atomic orchid]

[scarlet flame]

microsoft games are dogshit too

[mild thunder]

idk the last microsoft game i bought tbh

fable 3

[scarlet flame]

i dont think i've ever bought a microsoft game

i think i've played halo like 3 times

[mild thunder]

halo is goated tho fr

as is fable

[scarlet flame]

halo story was good

[mild thunder]

halo 1-3 + reach

[scarlet flame]

new halo pvp was absolute dogshit

aimbot for console retards while pc players got cucked by skill level

[mild thunder]

just 1v3d twice to secure my supply chest on ww

this class is totally balanced

[scarlet flame]

honestly

[mild thunder]

1v1 anyone in wpvp as arms and it's an instant L

[scarlet flame]

i think WW is balanced

i dont like some of its kit

cause i think its cheap

but a ton of classes have that

[mild thunder]

cheap?

[scarlet flame]

yeah like fuck karma

that shit is so annoying

[mild thunder]

karma is defs not cheap

[scarlet flame]

and fof being insta parry forever is dumba s fuck too

im saying it from a personal perspective

[gaunt dune]

guys what is the current build for SS? arms warrior

[scarlet flame]

and not objectively

[mild thunder]

it's a decently long CD defensive that you have to pre-use and is only good on 1 target

[scarlet flame]

yeah im not saying its good or broken or bad

[mild thunder]

and gets cucked by bop or diffuse and stuff

[scarlet flame]

im saying i hate it

[mild thunder]

i hate you

[scarlet flame]

thats ok

[mild thunder]

jk

❤️

[scarlet flame]

🙂

i think monk is in a good spot

you get heavily punished for disrespecting their CDS

[mild thunder]

FoF a little dumb icl

[scarlet flame]

they aren't immortal

they have good mobility and utility

their damage is good

[mild thunder]

biggest weakness is the long CDs on cc

sweep 1min

para 45sec

30sec

[scarlet flame]

yeah it just makes you wana play around setup

[mild thunder]

pretty much, yea

[scarlet flame]

which leads to bad monks being really easy to shit on

[mild thunder]

but getting that perfect go off

[scarlet flame]

you can tell a good monk vs one that gets by 1 shotting people

[mild thunder]

xuen > stomp > sweep > oneshot

orgasmic

[scarlet flame]

i really really hate how monks have dbts on fof

and i only hate it because i never learn from fucking up into it

[mild thunder]

it gets pretty hard cucked by anyone that cna stop it

[scarlet flame]

yeah i never use bolt on it cause im a retard

so its personal for me at least

[mild thunder]

kinda hard to bolt it consistently

since its so low cd

[scarlet flame]

what i mean is they are using fof and i attack into it like an ape

with bolt off cd

[mild thunder]

ahh yea

lol

ape

[scarlet flame]

so i use my 2 damage MS and go oops i should have bolted

[mild thunder]

tbf if ww didnt have FoF parry

they would get eaten by warr and rogue

[scarlet flame]

the amount of times i've used all my fucking cds just to have my ms parried

no yeah i agree

if i wasn't a clown i wouldn't mind it

like i said i actually dont hate facing monks

i honestly feel war isn't bad inot monk at all

and if i played better i wouldn't get cucked by their shit

[mild thunder]

true

warr v ww is interesting

ww has very little ways of doing good dmg to plate specs

[scarlet flame]

the more i think about it war vs ww is a pretty fun duel matchup

if monk fucks up they get globaled if warrior fucks up they die too

[mild thunder]

and then there's boomy

[scarlet flame]

[scarlet flame]

im curious what your guys tier lists would look like

[mild thunder]

SS tier = everything i dont like
D tier = everything i like

[scarlet flame]

lol

[wheat jay]

d tier boomy, cuz i like it

WHAT NOW!?

get checkmated

[steep torrent]

Onslaught (AM) and (RA) what does it mean? on fury pvp build?

AM and RA .. what is that?

[lyric violet]

Spec representation over 2.2k

Feels good we did it boys

(Solo shuffle)

[steep inlet]

i bring back Troma Prot in Solo

game is fast, i peel and dmg well

https://i.gyazo.com/ad0ffbf5b644997b66adc0e119773644.png

and look this idiot

heck at 1800 mmr

he didnt accept to loose vs me

[scarlet flame]

thoughts on supa tier list

[west mural]

been playing afli lock

dots are kinda ass

[wheat jay]

holy got nerfed hard

so probably not S anymore

holy nerf equals unholy nerf

so unholy gonna drop too

survi in A

or a+

[west mural]

i feel like healer tier list and dps tier list should never be mixed

comparing planes to boats

[wheat jay]

i mean, its overall list

i believe

frost mage i believe should be higher too

resto sham lower

preservation lower

mw higher

like, supa's tier lists are usually ass xD

[scarlet flame]

no shot you think resto and pres arent great healers

[spice hornet]

It’s good

Only question I have is why frost/fire are A but ele is A+

[fickle forge]

Warrior stronk

[scarlet flame]

because ele is good into casters

frost fire was that high because they were better than arcane

[worthy fern]

I mean in this game if you’re not S or high A tier you’re bad

Should just be good really good and bad tiers

[wheat jay]

Unless you go for glad then it doesnt rly matter

Or higher than glad

Cuz even glad is achievable with worse specs

[modest marten]

Yup lol

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Moon Guard/Gødzîllå

this guy 2300 in solos on veng

155 games

or wins

actually

[wheat jay]

I don't mean solo shuffle tho

Can't get glad in shuffle

[modest marten]

Yeah but it’s harder to quantify tank games in 3s

atleast we know this guy played solos as veng

[wheat jay]

Well, you can check how many players of each spec are above 2400 in 3s

There's all

[modest marten]

It’ll display active spec if they’re specced into something

Doesn’t necessarily mean they played the rating as that spec

In solos there’s a win counter for each. spec

[wheat jay]

Fair enough

[scarlet flame]

damn i never have to play my warrior again now

[wheat jay]

Gratz

[scarlet flame]

so for the elite pvp sets is it only for those characters you earned them on

or any class you make

[wheat jay]

??

I don't understand the question lol

If you mean like 2nd warrior

Then it should be available to them

Since its a warr transmog

[scarlet flame]

yeah that was my question

sorry i worded it poorly

[mild thunder]

True

Bring back the guy that was telling me supa has mathematically the most accurate and reliable tier lists

[wheat jay]

Supa 2nd account?

Man's a good commentator

Good player too afaik

But his tier lists are questionable

[stark reef]

Are we winning boys?

[scarlet flame]

no

[last turret]

Bommy 1 shot 4 ppl in shuffle WTFF IS THIS IN GAME

[west mural]

managed to get a 240k crit ms but gave up on 1/2 bloodborne for executioner's precision

still u need all them cds

planets also need to align

300k xD

[mild thunder]

Cap

[mild thunder]

His content is omega fucking cringe

“Let’s read the patch tuning notes, but I’ll actually misread half of it and give retarded commentary”

[scarlet flame]

yeah i dont think you crit 200k on a player

[mild thunder]

^

[west mural]

it's on pvp dummy

[scarlet flame]

yeah that doesn't count

[west mural]

• verse and armor

[mild thunder]

Grabbing EP doesn’t give you 150k more dmg

[west mural]

i mean that's the number i saw on screen idk why

been playing 20 days

[scarlet flame]

thats fine

[mild thunder]

Dummy is omega inaccurate

[scarlet flame]

target dummy is not player

so numbers dont transfer over

[mild thunder]

EP not worth

Bad

[scarlet flame]

target dummy is basically pve

[mild thunder]

Even on dummy 240k sounds way too high

[scarlet flame]

ep = 21% ms damage

its not

[mild thunder]

Some mods may not be working

[scarlet flame]

on target dummy i've hit over 250k with all buffs

its basically pve with pvp scaling for your gear

[mild thunder]

I hit 250k on players in s1 lul

[scarlet flame]

take me back

[mild thunder]

It was so fun while it lasted

[scarlet flame]

imagine being a threat in pvp

can't be me

[mild thunder]

It’s me

On ww

[scarlet flame]

TRUE

do i que ss on warrior for conq

[mild thunder]

Do I queue ss on ww for conq

[scarlet flame]

yes

[iron fractal]

Blizzard has such fun diversity in their bg's where everyone and their mom is a caster.

Oh and a rogue.

[mild thunder]

Me tryna respect casual bgs as real PvP

[iron fractal]

So edgy.

[scarlet flame]

do you uhh...think bgs is like important pvp?

[iron fractal]

Nah, I know nothing else matters by those solo ratings.

[scarlet flame]

huh

[mild thunder]

Huh

[scarlet flame]

is this nerfed in pvp

or just dogshit

[severe skiff]

got nerfed in pvp

[mild thunder]

Hey ork

[sharp meteor]

It's nerfed by 60% in PvP combat.

[scarlet flame]

i can't replicate massacre damage not working out of range

im so far away

okay i did it

its hard tho

damn so if someone jumps at the same time you exe you just do no damage

[scarlet flame]

ofc it is lol

[slate root]

sets spam jump macro up on my mage

[scarlet flame]

its not spacebar jump

its blink

or one of your 200 knockbacks

[slate root]

acktually 201

[scarlet flame]

or if you root and walk out of range

[slate root]

presses slow harder so they go slower

[west mural]

u can test it, works quite fine, repeatable, don't know how i got the almost 300k doe

but there's also dmg reduction talents, armor and verse on players

so probably won't go near that number

even if target lets u press all your buttons, wich he won't

also, to have 2 op, trinkets, avatar, CS, and 2 executes be4 u mortal strike is not rly doable in 3v3 matches

the moment i avatar they blink disarm bubble teleport or get saved

[scarlet flame]

tractor man do you find pvp enjoyable

[coral oar]

anyone can link a pvp build?

[mild thunder]

pins

[coral oar]

someone

[scarlet flame]

the dk discord

[coral oar]

arms

[mild thunder]

yep, there's 3 arms builds in pins

[coral oar]

tnx!

[scarlet flame]

this got nerfed by 60% for what reason

[west mural]

yes and no, i just have periods of making stuff work in online games and testing stuff, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, we all got to get our dopamine from something

it's all a trick, everything , just play along

[scarlet flame]

you're just as weird as that guy who says fury warrior was better than arms but at the same time arms was better than fury

[west mural]

different kind of weirdness, i don't have cognitive dissonance, well, much less than most people

[mild thunder]

🧢

saying you arent affected by cognitive dissonance, or are much less affected than other people, certifies that you've been heinously victimised by cognitive dissonance

[west mural]

"'ve been", once u understand things, u kinda change

or u can not be aware

[mild thunder]

?

everyone thinks they understand things

[west mural]

it's small steps, improving

or the illusion of

end of the day not much of a difference between u and an ant from certaint poitns of view

[mild thunder]

the easiest step to improving is not saying dumb stuff like "im immune to X problem"

[west mural]

as u can see from my wording, tweaked it, much less

read

to the end

guess u get dopamine from contradicting people and trying to prove something :P

[mild thunder]

yes

and you worded it pretty clearly - im not affected by cognitive dissonance, at least much less than other people

[west mural]

yes, u are right, i am wrong, enjoy it

[mild thunder]

cmon, if you're gonna say something that dumb, at least be willing to argue about it

[west mural]

nah, i came here to learn about warrior, i can argue with friends live forever, this is much less rewarding i learned my lesson

[mild thunder]

we're a warriorpvp + shittalking channel

[west mural]

ah, i see

[celest aspen]

is fury or arms better rn in pvp I haven't played in a while

[mild thunder]

both suck

but fury is better

[celest aspen]

ok thank u lol

[thick reef]

Galachad

You from perth mate?

[spice hornet]

Aussies

[mild thunder]

nsw

[mild thunder]

americucks

[scarlet flame]

if you play temple of kotmogu you can do damage sometimes

[mild thunder]

hey, that's almost as much as my ww

[scarlet flame]

how many blinks can a mage have

i know shimer is 2

but this one used 3 blinks

• altar time

[thick reef]

Thank fuck

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

temporal displacement?

[lucid walrus]

either evo buff or he's just a beast

really hate how there's simply no gold income from arena other than boosts

[scarlet flame]

idk he wasted a blink into me so i thought i was gunna win

but then he blinked 2 more times and alter timed and ice blocked

no buffs btw another bg

uptime 100% on people it was a wsg stomp

op

my favorite part is using all my CDS on a mage with CS up and my entire burst is soaked by his fucking shield

[mild thunder]

i just hit a 150k rsk with a 70k thunderfist in 1 global

still not even full-geared or have tier

[scarlet flame]

im playing bgs with my brother

and i literally dont want to play this class that does no damage

im in mogu again

i had like 90% increased damage

and didn't 1 shot a mage with CS and avatar unhinged ms

this class is so dogshit and not fun to play

[thick reef]

shoulda used every consumable possible and maybe you coulda done half the bar with a ms

[gaunt dune]

Somewhere where I can see the current build for SS?

[scarlet flame]

here or the druid discord for boomkin

[scarlet flame]

bro the more i play warrior the more it pisses me off, if this is how dks feel/frost still feels i sympathize with them even more

[mild thunder]

@scarlet flame new ww mog dropped

if i had sargeras blindfold i might use that

with cursed vision of sargeras

idk, there's a lot of helmets that could go with it

[undone pumice]

leather classes

in muh plate wearer discord??

[scarlet flame]

cursed vision is goated tho

i think that looks great

amazing xmog no complaints

[dreamy moat]

1600 on arms ss

not long now 🙃

[mild thunder]

❤️

[mild thunder]

fuck arms

blizz hates it, why shouldnt i

[undone pumice]

because muscles

[mild thunder]

goku doesnt have muscles?

baki doesnt have muscles?

[undone pumice]

i never said this

[mild thunder]

monk is the way

[undone pumice]

also baki = monk

???

i think u mean retsu or smth

[mild thunder]

he brawls with fists and kicks

so

monk

[undone pumice]

swinging a weapon is just making your arm longer

[mild thunder]

cope

[undone pumice]

so warrior = monk

[mild thunder]

baki is a monk

[undone pumice]

who even knowsw

hes an imaginer

imagine mantis to train

10000 iq

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-fight-anime-kick-gif-17476839

bro is literally using rising sun kick

[undone pumice]

damn

good point

[mild thunder]

plus my ww mog is so cleannn

[undone pumice]

cvos l tho

i do NOT like cvos

[mild thunder]

cvos?

[undone pumice]

blindfold

[mild thunder]

ahh

[undone pumice]

cursed vision of sargeras

cvos

[mild thunder]

there are a lot of other helms that go with it too

still deciding

[undone pumice]

sunglasses is upgraded cvos

[mild thunder]

nahhh

cvos is goated

on the sauce

fat stacks

no cap

[undone pumice]

cvos is for irl goat animals

ruminants playing wow

herbivores

[mild thunder]

what about the hood

[undone pumice]

kinda wack too

just circumsise the head tbh

[mild thunder]

[old trail]

Gonna be doing the pvp journey soon. Whats easier to hit 1.8k with fury vs arms?

And then would those be easier to hit 2.1k with compared to an uh dk?

[wheat jay]

go for unh dk lol

unh is easier

[mild thunder]

easier

funner

better

[old trail]

and then for 1800 to get the war mog?

Prob arms still right?

[severe skiff]

either or for 1800, just pick the one you're more comfortable on

[old trail]

kk

[mild thunder]

survival hunter is a cuck spec

i take back everything i said @wheat jay

if you play sv, you're a chromosome-infested, short-bus riding, incest-born mongoloid

[wheat jay]

lol

what happened

[mild thunder]

just spam fucking cc'd against sv/rsham

because of their totally not retarded non-DR roots

[wheat jay]

xd