pvp

[elfin surge]

literally everything that buffs mortal strikes damage has been nerfed in pvp

all of our talents that do burst are nerfed

[hot solstice]

whats point nerfing it if target is never in execute range

[elfin surge]

proccing exe then using it stacked with all cds

let big ms during burst

[wheat jay]

To stop mud from making new compilations

[scarlet flame]

bro hello how is that okay

9% in pvp

30% normal

???

[elfin surge]

yeah

its stupid

blizzard doesnt like us doing large mortal strikes

but 250k RSK is fine

actually buff ww

[scarlet flame]

i wont complain about dks cause i like them

[elfin surge]

they need more

KEK

[scarlet flame]

but how is it okay

a dk can do 120k SC from 30 yards

and MS from melee range is like 100k

SC from range isn't even counting the wounds popping hello

[elfin surge]

warbreaker just increases your damage per second for it's duration

there is no threat of a large ms or sks anymore

its so boring

[scarlet flame]

do you use an addon to show those pvp mods in talent tree or am i retarded

[elfin surge]

i just hit the pvp target dummy

changes tooltips

[hot solstice]

how do u like this dps rotation?

[scarlet flame]

oh okay thats cool

[vapid tartan]

make sure u got deep wounds applied

if you want to look at damage

[scarlet flame]

my favorite part is casters are literally never punished for spamming instant spells

[elfin surge]

all i want is to press avatar warbreaker with double OP stacks and see a fat hit and chunk hp bars

and execute to actually execute

[hot solstice]

dude uses 2 blinks to avoid kick

[scarlet flame]

if ice lance did 30k damage a hit but they kited warriors forever its worth more than trying to cast frostbolt that did 100k

[hot solstice]

still has displacement and knock back

[elfin surge]

a lot of ppl been telling me they are planning on buffing overpowers damage in pvp soon

[scarlet flame]

fuck overpower

[elfin surge]

???

yea

like

what

[vapid tartan]

Anything else tho?

[scarlet flame]

buff our filler ability we spam?????

[elfin surge]

i heard from a few ppl who know things

[scarlet flame]

who gives a shit about it

[elfin surge]

they plan to buff overpower and slam

??????????????????

[scarlet flame]

why slam

whats the point

[elfin surge]

clueless

we'll see tho

war prob getting buffs soon

[vapid tartan]

our ms literally does less why slam

[scarlet flame]

in before they make use use 1h shield again

[vapid tartan]

maybe they’ll change it to an ms buff like they did with tier set

[scarlet flame]

you know whats fucking crazy

is you can buff MS with everything including tier set

[elfin surge]

un nerf the multiple nerfs to our mortal strike modifiers

[scarlet flame]

and it still does less damage than moonkins starsurge

which doesn't need shit

[vapid tartan]

xd

[hot solstice]

I like how Baj and Mag started streaming on theris dks this week

[elfin surge]

they dont want warriors hitting large numbers

they just want us to be pve consis dam bots

[scarlet flame]

you can literally line up all your procs + buffs and do less damage than a on CD used starsurge with nothing

[vapid tartan]

give us 15% baseline crit

[wheat jay]

Doubt warr is getting any buffs

[mild thunder]

LEAVE MY WW ALONE

[wheat jay]

Small if any

[scarlet flame]

okay i'll take less burst, make it harder for me to get peeled off

you want me to be sustained damage make it hard to get me off

[wheat jay]

Roll sth with weapons, like dh

[scarlet flame]

you can't make me do no burst and easily peeled

thats bullshit

[mild thunder]

I have badass fist weapons

[elfin surge]

i like how

all a mage has to do is blink backwards

and is no longer a target

for war

[mild thunder]

Glaives look goofy on your back

[elfin surge]

kek

[wheat jay]

Depends what glaives you use

[hot solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/memeblog-gachi-gif-18207743

[scarlet flame]

you can grip bladestorm

how fucking stupid is that

[mild thunder]

I do not remember

[wheat jay]

I have the tank ones

Theyre nice

[mild thunder]

[vapid tartan]

Just play with ur own dk

ez

[mild thunder]

Tank ones look weird

I had the Venthyr ones, they looked kinda dope

[wheat jay]

I have some mogs actually lol

[mild thunder]

Castlevania style

[wheat jay]

Where is my new dh spec that's just better arms and uses polearms?

[lucid walrus]

baj on dk?

it’s so over

[hot solstice]

new scourge tabart looks lit....need to farm 3mil gold for t3 cause it fits so much

[wheat jay]

Baj played dk since wod or mop tho

Soooo ye

[mild thunder]

Bajheeroth 😈😈😈

When do we get Mudoth

[elfin surge]

baj and mag both playing dk

[mild thunder]

Still waiting for the mud ww stream

[scarlet flame]

this is what they did to sks?????

[mild thunder]

Rend is still also nerfed in PvP

[mild thunder]

WHY DID THEY EVER NERF REND

[scarlet flame]

how anyone can defend that i dont get it

[elfin surge]

warrior is dead

[hot solstice]

rend used to buff crit damage btw

[scarlet flame]

isn't this what happened to dk

like all their shit was garbage pvp mod and no one played it

and they gave shit like 250% damage in pvp

[lucid walrus]

this has been dk since 2012 according to them

[scarlet flame]

full moon got 100% damage buff

[mild thunder]

Dk players have the shortest memory spans

[lucid walrus]

though i sympathize. they legitimately have had it kinda rough for a couple recent patches

[hot solstice]

new moon and half moon can shot 200k

[scarlet flame]

new moon is literally a 1 second cast time

hello

[lucid walrus]

then again when they’re good the game sucks so fuck them

[hot solstice]

all 3 can rpock insta btw

[mild thunder]

I would be fine with uhdk being op if they weren’t a pet spec

FUCK pet specs

[scarlet flame]

my boomkin thats scales in bgs was critting for 80 with full moon

[lucid walrus]

lock and dk metas are harbingers of shit seasons

[scarlet flame]

80k**

[lucid walrus]

wdym “scales in bgs”

[wheat jay]

Imagine no pet survi

[scarlet flame]

you get scaled to 69

[lucid walrus]

i sure hope it does

[wheat jay]

Best spec in the gamew

[lucid walrus]

ah

[scarlet flame]

regardless of level

[mild thunder]

Tbf I mean mass pet specs like demo and uhdk

Who cares about single pet specs

[scarlet flame]

^

true

[wheat jay]

They suck

I hate micro managing pets

[mild thunder]

Why play hunter then

[wheat jay]

Used to be worse in shadowlands rgo

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

Tho

I mean

[thick reef]

Lone Wolf MM

[wheat jay]

Good question

[lucid walrus]

mm is barely even a hunter spec

[mild thunder]

Nice pfp

[wheat jay]

Im upgrading to a demonic one

[thick reef]

Gotta get that Alexstraussy

[scarlet flame]

im also so fucking stupid i swear to god, i thought this buffed execute damage

[mild thunder]

10% in PvP

[scarlet flame]

what i mean is i played with it before like it was buffing execute damage

and not ms damage

[mild thunder]

Retoid

[elfin surge]

exe rotation when we played that was exe exe ms

[lucid walrus]

exploiter condemn warrior

[scarlet flame]

its 21% in pvp but 70% in pve got it

[lucid walrus]

ouuuggghhhhh

[elfin surge]

so bad

[lucid walrus]

didn’t overpower’s buff get hit too

like out of anything the class has

overpower?

[scarlet flame]

this is with 3 piece trinket proc but no weapon proc from unhinged

with avatar and cs and sharpen

so with everything it would be like what, 180k 190k maybe

[hot solstice]

in legion same talent buffed ms for 75% per stack

could do 2.5 mil crit mortal

frmage arms ww augmentation lobby

[scarlet flame]

this with everything including warlords torment

[hot solstice]

dummy wont show real numbers

[scarlet flame]

yeah ik

i think the highest hit this season i've ever seen from MS was on a clothie and it was like around 190k

meanwhile i throw death coils for 120k at people from 40 yards lmao

[mild thunder]

I hit 250k last season kekW

Ntm like 250k executes

[scarlet flame]

does ntm mean nothing much

i think last season i remember hitting for over 200k a couple times in bgs and ss tho

i did fucking global 2 retards in SS with spear which was so much fun

[mild thunder]

Not to mention

[scarlet flame]

sometimes the peon brain doesn't help

[mild thunder]

Yea the first time I globaled someone last season was some poor fdk

[scarlet flame]

im pretty sure it was a dk and DH

and they grouped into SS spear unhinged MS

and they just died instantly

[mild thunder]

Always a good feeling

Now we uhhh

Tickle

[scarlet flame]

i ask them nicely if i can win a round 🙂

before i took them, now i have to ask

cringe

[mild thunder]

Can I pwetty pwease get a win mr boomy

[scarlet flame]

i am no longer the danger in the room

im the one whos scared of the knocking

[mild thunder]

I am not the danger, Skylar! I am in danger

[scarlet flame]

my plate armor is no longer to intimidate the dress classes and the stealth cowards

its now to protect me from the scary classes that throw planets at me and stab me from the back

im now that kid from the simsons on the bus

[mild thunder]

Arms is supposed to be the protagonist of WoW

[sharp meteor]

Please, sir. Just a crumb of CR.

[mild thunder]

Blizz is just setting us up as underdogs

[scarlet flame]

hows that work

battle hardened but i run away from combat all the time

[mild thunder]

Alms! Alms for the arms

[scarlet flame]

my mobility is easily countered by basically all ranged

and my strikes dont overpower anyone

just so i understand this is saying crushing advance is 50% and not 19% right

[mild thunder]

66% of 19% per stack

The proc hits like a wet noodle

So it’s a little over 12%… cbf with math

[scarlet flame]

okay just confirming what it means

ty

[vapid tartan]

Been trying 2p on arms ngl

[scarlet flame]

the 2pc is 2% crit and damage

[sharp meteor]

It should be 2.5%

Their tooltips don't show fractional percentages

[scarlet flame]

i dont think they can display half a percent

[unique fox]

arms set bonus is truly atrocious

[mild thunder]

So good

Our 2pc is about 1.5% dps increase for pvp

So good guys

[unique fox]

4pc needs to proc 100% on deep wounds crits

[mild thunder]

Wouldn’t matter

Would still be ass

[unique fox]

anything would help, at least youd have a juicy MS after Skullsplitter almost always

[mild thunder]

We don’t take sks because it’s also ass

And 15% mod to ms is hardly juicy

[unique fox]

Listen man im coping over here

I just want to play the game lol

its been 3 months

[mild thunder]

With every mod we have in our kit (MP, EP, tier set), we can get a whopping… 53% buff to ms

[scarlet flame]

is sharpen actually 15%?

[lucid walrus]

it used to be 15

in s1 and before that is. unsure if it is now. may have been changed when duration was nerfed\

[scarlet flame]

just asking cause tooltip says 15%

[mild thunder]

yea its 15

so that would make it 68 total

wowwww

[scarlet flame]

68% on 30k hits

https://tenor.com/view/cool-gif-24908377

[spice hornet]

Dk now has a better version of SKS

[mild thunder]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fortnite-boss-encounter-in-world-of-warcraft-334050#comments

les goooo

where we droppin boys 🔫 🔥 💯

@elfin surge @spice hornet @fickle forge we got the squad boys, ganggang

[west mural]

any pve trinkets worth getting atm?

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

[west mural]

not even Paracausal "Fragment of Shalamayne" for fury warrior?, 100k seems pretty good burst

[mild thunder]

you're trading off doing zero dmg outside of it and being a lot squishier

[spice hornet]

Roblox?

[west mural]

yea no doubt, that haste + passive str and 5% stam for pvp set is 2 good

[spice hornet]

Only the rogue god class gets to abuse pve trinkets

Pve trinkets have been bad ever since bfa ended

[mild thunder]

gonna be playing the fortnite song during that raid

💯

ong fr no cap on the stack

poppin penjamins with my man mr blinkerton

[west mural]

tbh i think gear should be totaly separate pvp/pve

always hard to balance when combined

also forces u to pve wich is not what pvpers do anyway

[spice hornet]

I knew you were 12

[mild thunder]

same age as mud

[spice hornet]

For sure

That’s why he never does Glizzy/face reveal

[mild thunder]

TRU

that's why he has a 12yr old taste in tmogs

[scarlet flame]

what mog you running on your monk gala

[mild thunder]

hol up, lemme log on

[scarlet flame]

it better not be cringe

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

if its basic bitch kung fu mog bruh

[mild thunder]

nah nah it aint

[scarlet flame]

you got the straw hat shit dont you

[mild thunder]

ive got 2 for male/female mogs

[scarlet flame]

low fantasy?

[mild thunder]

you'll see

[scarlet flame]

hey btw warrior pvp set is green

my point still stands

runny diarrhea colors for warrior sets is annoying

[west mural]

any thoughts on Allied Chestplate of Generosity?

[scarlet flame]

what is that

[mild thunder]

@scarlet flame

[scarlet flame]

okay i like the axe on the second one

[mild thunder]

2nd one is based because it's just a warrior

[scarlet flame]

put some real shoes on him bruh

the male orc one goes kind hard i like it

female orc one not doing it for me but thats personal preference i think

[mild thunder]

tryna farm 1-2 more pieces for this

[scarlet flame]

okay that one is nice

i dont like purple tabard but idk if thats one of those pieces

im always a fan of those swords

[mild thunder]

i have two red tabards but they kinda suck

venthyr and the black horde tabard

hopefully next season elite tabard is black + red

[scarlet flame]

the only good red ones i have are brute force and achiever

[mild thunder]

yea i have those, but they wouldnt match

[scarlet flame]

yeah you need darker for it

[mild thunder]

i dont hate the purple just bec it's a badass colour but yea it doesnt match great

[scarlet flame]

im looking through the tabard page and i dont see much that would look good

[mild thunder]

hellscream's reach could maybe go with it

i have that

[scarlet flame]

maybe that one

[mild thunder]

i dont like the gold

[scarlet flame]

idk if you can get it tho

[mild thunder]

these are the tabards i have

still quite a few easy ones to get as well

[scarlet flame]

that one not bad

this one too

[mild thunder]

yea i like the sunreaver one

[scarlet flame]

whats that one

[mild thunder]

hellscream's reach

[west mural]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=190519/allied-chestplate-of-generosity#transmog-with the versatility chest

[mild thunder]

cant remember how i got it, probably a rep grind

[west mural]

any1 play around with it?

[scarlet flame]

isn't that from last season?

oh ig its crafted

[mild thunder]

nah that's from last season iirc

[west mural]

it is crafted , yes

[mild thunder]

either way, 138 versa is shit

[west mural]

actualy

gives 382

[west mural]

to all party members

[scarlet flame]

528 is more than that chest isn't it

[mild thunder]

ye

your crafted pieces should be boots + sporecloak or the determination proc

[west mural]

here's a comparison for ilvl 450

[scarlet flame]

so you have higher vers basically all the time unless it procs

and its random

and less main stat

[west mural]

mainstat is identical

[scarlet flame]

the crafted one has 480

[west mural]

to onyx atleast

[scarlet flame]

those are 2 different numbers

[mild thunder]

that's because they're outside of pvp scaling

[scarlet flame]

he hit target dummy

[mild thunder]

but yea it's just a waste of an embellished slot

[west mural]

i am hitting dummy atm

they at 450

while doing so

ye i got sporecloak for shuffle just questioning :P

[scarlet flame]

lets talk about that mog bruh

that shit is horrendous

[west mural]

is what it is haven't played since 2010, mogs are not my thing atm xD

[scarlet flame]

smh mog is 70% of your dps as a warrior

[west mural]

idk seems to me my dps atm is pressing 10 buttons in a row without being interrupted wich is not happening

[scarlet flame]

can you name all 10

cause its like 3

[west mural]

i stacked everything i could and best i could do is a 145k MS

[scarlet flame]

yeah welcome to warrior bud

[west mural]

yea but that won't happen in arena, the moment u press that avatar they bubble/disarm/blink/cyclone u name it

[scarlet flame]

just macro in retal with your swifty one shot macro so they can't disarm you on your cooldowns

[west mural]

i don't know a normal sequence icludes a charge a rend a slow a mortal strike 2 overpowers colossus smash sharpen blade into avatar with roar and trinket into another mortal strike

more or less

[scarlet flame]

sorry its die by the sword now

[west mural]

now i am no expert

i was playing for 2 weeks and got to 1650 when this patch came and kinda ruined it xD

[scarlet flame]

if thats where you're stuck i think you have different things to work on tbh

[west mural]

no doubt, for starters i see every1 using addons

i wish they just deleted that shit from the game

[scarlet flame]

well the good news is you can get away with using like 3

[west mural]

well igot glad and omnibar

but not rly setup

kinda ruis it for new players to be honest

if some1 sees all them setups they just quit

[scarlet flame]

new players dont need addons to learn the basics of pvp

you have so much to learn before what those addons display is important to you

if you're brand new you dont even know how your class works

[west mural]

the difference i find between wow and other games is that wow pvp seems overwhelming and it shows u what u need be4 u can actualy feel competent , whereas in other games u just play not giving into gear/addons and other things u just find game and u figure it out by playing

ignorance is bliss for new people

[scarlet flame]

are you comparing an mmo pvp mode with mobas

[west mural]

mobas/ shooters/rts

[scarlet flame]

yeah those are different games

that have different learning curves

[west mural]

done them all, just saying what i feel is the issue is when seeing other people struggle or quit and why

[scarlet flame]

you aren't wrong in that getting into wow pvp has a learning curve but thats true for every game so

you can casually pvp with whatever you want

just like you can casually play a moba or fps or rts game however you want

if you build like shit in a moba you wont be good tho

and if you can't aim you wont be good in fps

same with apm in rts and build paths

[west mural]

thigs is it doesn;t overwhelm u , u just figure it out one step at a time

[scarlet flame]

go open lol shop and tell me it doesn't overwhelm you

cause its the same thing

300 different guns in any fps game

perks loadouts

rts game is the hardest game to get good at cause if you dont have 700 apm you're bad

[west mural]

i ain;'t bitching, just analizing things after many years of experience in different games, when i find soemthing rotten in a gmae i just stop playing, like for example forced 50% or rigging or dynamic difficulty adjustments in games like fifa, dota, or hackers in shooters

[scarlet flame]

you do the same thing with wow take it one step at a time

but its the same with every game of learning, the only difference is the content

steps are the same

[west mural]

u can actualy be diamond player in stracraft with under 100 apm, even saw masters it depends

[scarlet flame]

exceptions to the rule dont count when you argue points

either way its only overwhelming if you try to learn everything all at once

which is true for every game

[west mural]

it's true for everything, the key is to make people oblivious of what awaits them

for if u knew what u would have to struggle in life with, u probably choose not to xD

u just need to see the next step

that is enough

seeing the mountain is not for most people

[scarlet flame]

that makes no sense because you can just ignore "the mountain" and look at the next step lol getting good at any game is gunna take time and effort

[west mural]

in my experience with people, most quit if u tell them beforehand what they will have to do in detail, best just make the start and let the snowballing do the job

once you start something u don;t wanna lose the effort u've spent

uh , actualy 185k crit xD

[scarlet flame]

you prob dont try to be good at any game then

[west mural]

not talking about me

[scarlet flame]

so like your experience is from reddit or the forums

[west mural]

very funny

:D

[thick reef]

I just want my ms to feel like a real M S

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-los-angeles-lakers-lakers-dunk-gif-16216227

[sterile ferry]

so arms still struggin

[spice hornet]

arms dam is so terrible

[sterile ferry]

my hunter friend just rolled a ret and said arms is the biggest joke

rip

i thought the defensives were bad and dam was aight in the windows

[unique fox]

Just played some 3s with an augvoker using death wish, pretty funny shit

[opal acorn]

So I am reading in reddit that season is deflated af, its extremely hard to even hit 1800 etc. Do u guys agree?

[whole quartz]

only people that consistently outdmg me on arms are havoc dhs and they’re made out of paper so it’s whatever imo

[muted surge]

What

[mild thunder]

cap

[whole quartz]

am wood elo but is true
specced into bleeds

🤷‍♂️

[mild thunder]

gotta be versing some short-bus players fr

[mild thunder]

some retard crying in world chat because the time rift zone is pvp-active

BRO TURN OFF WAR MODE, VALDRAKKEN IS 2 SECONDS AWAY

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-disintergrating-meme-emoji-disintegrating-meme-gif-21239978

[solar breach]

any advice for beating a frost mage in 2v2s

if they are good sometimes it feels broken

[slate root]

frost mage hardcounters warrior, and warrior is weak af atm

[fickle forge]

I'm like ultra undergeared, but also don't see myself competing with anyone on dmg in this meta
I need the uptime the caster committee will never allow me

[whole quartz]

i think its an elo thing
so idk abt higher elo 🤷‍♂️

[fickle forge]

Idk what the ladder looks like atm
I came back to play on 2.2k mmr with last season's gear

[whole quartz]

haha im nowhere near that
that’s why i said im wood elo

[thick reef]

The ladder is like my asshole after Taco Bell atm

But yeah it's deflated across the board

[elfin surge]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rework-arms-damage/1634526
@fickle forge @spice hornet @sharp meteor @mild thunder

[sharp meteor]

Kind of curious about lack of adjustments to aug/balance.

Actually I guess aug will probably take another week or three to figure out.

[mild thunder]

kinda weird since they were so quick to nerf ret that they actually pushed same-day balancing

but for aug there's been no word, and it's almost just as egregious as ret was

[fickle forge]

That's definitely the worst deflation analogy out there

[sharp meteor]

Ret was more standard, and warranted hotfixes.

[fickle forge]

First comment captures it well, those nerfs just aged like milk

[thick reef]

My ass is super deflated after Taco Bell, what do you mean

All the shit got pushed out lol

[mild thunder]

never forget fire got buffs across the board, ele got a +25% LB buff to compensate for the crit changes and arms - one of the most crit-reliant specs in the game - got a slam buff

[elfin surge]

ive been told the higher ups shoot down a lot of pvp tuning request by the devs primarily for rogues over the last few years

good pvp devs bad higher ups

[fickle forge]

The button no one has bound

😎 👍

[mild thunder]

slam literally not even worth pressing to kill totems

you get enough ms resets to use them on totems anyway

[fickle forge]

DF arms is definitely garbanzo in terms of rotation

[mild thunder]

it was more fun in s1 because we at least had a bit more to track with EP mods, martial prowess being meaningful and the build variety

still braindead af, but anything is better than now

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it's odd how certain things are just kind of left untouched for as long as they are and other things are very reasonably adjusted within a week or two.

[mild thunder]

arms got nerfed pretty substantially only 1-2 weeks after our tree rework in 10.0.5

and we werent even that OP

[elfin surge]

unreal how boomy hasnt gotten touched

the pvp devs i know, know boomy is crazy

[sharp meteor]

Balance is unreal, yeah, lmao. 🦉

[elfin surge]

i hope now that microsoft took blizzard

[mild thunder]

it's unbalanced

[elfin surge]

things can change

some of those guys up top have no idea how the game works

[mild thunder]

no idea, or no care

[muted surge]

Why should anything change

[mild thunder]

?

[sharp meteor]

Little bit of column A, some of column B.

[elfin surge]

🤔

[mild thunder]

i mean, holinka is gone now

my hope died with him

he was far from perfect, but he was my perfect star ⭐

[mild thunder]

im sure the pvp devs are probably good and have mostly good ideas, because i straight up refuse anyone could possibly be this blatantly incompetent

it's impossible

[sharp meteor]

It does seem like a red tape thing.

[mild thunder]

all you need is a vaguely positive IQ to know how to fix this

[sharp meteor]

Because some of the people who work on pvp are quite good.

[mild thunder]

and when the pvp team does communicate, their communication is usually really good

unfortunately it's once or twice an xpac

[sharp meteor]

If nothing else I'm surprised they don't do more for the unranked community which seems substantial.

Maybe they just play regardless. I don't know.

They've been doing stuff as of late that affects very few people.

[mild thunder]

yep, no new bgs, no new epics, no real wpvp additions or anything

a new bg map is definitely overdue

[sharp meteor]

Mhm. I imagine any bg got pushed back after deepwind/seething backlash.

I still think warfronts should've been moba style bgs.

[mild thunder]

deepwind good

seething i used to hate, now i like

[sharp meteor]

Cozy panda map.

[mild thunder]

i definitely preferred old deepwind tho

was just more unique

mid fights were more fun

@scarlet flame thoughts on this sv mog?

[fickle forge]

Can't even be a fucking casual in this game man

Getting into any type of PvP takes longer than the actual match

[mild thunder]

i finally took a full look at the augvoker tree

bro

what

the

fuck

[fickle forge]

It's a fake spec

Blizz last expansion barely opened up for some minor external buff abilities, and now they release this shit

[mild thunder]

whose idea was this?
why did they come up with it?
how did it go live?
what were they thinking?

[mild thunder]

literally everyone hates PI in pve, so they decided to introduce a spec that does PI, but worse

[fickle forge]

We heard you guys aren't too big fans of external buffing, so we're introducing this spec that can buff 1 party size in 10 different ways

Not even raid wide, nah nah just 1 group

[mild thunder]

glad im not raiding anymore

would be omega cringe to just get shit logs because you dont have an aug babysitting you

was bad enough losing 6% dps w/o wft

[fickle forge]

Augvoker is just garbage to face

Sure love omega damp augvoker comps in 3s

May as well return double healer + warr at this point

[elfin surge]

Mw Unholy Fury feels decent

btw

was qn it yesterday

[mild thunder]

the real question is

why would an uhdk ever choose to play with fury

instead of boomy

or demo

or ww

or augvoker

or literally anything else

[elfin surge]

gold

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge dont worry, soon we'll play warr+dh

[fickle forge]

No

[wheat jay]

you have no say in the matter

[fickle forge]

You can tell me that shit when you outbench me

Which will likely be never ever

[wheat jay]

i can still outbrawl you

so i win

[mild thunder]

reroll dk for tsg

[wheat jay]

0 mobility sucks

and i dont like unhole

[wary heart]

@elfin surge

you're 18th? must be trash warr

tf is wrong with the forums

[elfin surge]

idk y he said that

what does that have to do with anything lol

[wary heart]

hes obviously wanted to discredit your opinion

but did it passive aggressively bc he's a weak willed pepega

blizzard should delete the forums, but maybe its just a containment zone

[wet scarab]

you should see how augvokers have become mandatory in m+ keys even by low key mouthbreathers, they are absolutely busted

but there is no way to balance them, just to release more support specs

maybe pvp modifiers for their buffs or w/e but fundamentally their dps vs dps contribution is actually quite balanced

the most ridiculous one probably is the ability that gives 16-20% vers buff after empower spells

actually not an ability, just passive mastery

they have 2 empower spells on 30 and 40 sec cds that give that vers buff based on their mastery

[mild thunder]

Shortbus rider

[wary heart]

it really is a low iq take, blizz forums attract the worst parasocial degenerates

[twilit ridge]

[mild thunder]

Where is heeeee

Anyone here play souls games?

[twilit ridge]

Yes

[twilit ridge]

He's rping

[mild thunder]

Why are people that play souls games the cringiest, most egotistical retards ever spawned onto the planet

Besides you, ofc ofc

[twilit ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gif-25869644

[twilit ridge]

Cuz they cringe

[mild thunder]

I wish I could find the YT short of some guy coping that the thousands of hours he spent in DS made him a “better human being”

Nah blud, you’re just a gaming addict

[twilit ridge]

LMAO

[mild thunder]

My Canadian military princess makes me a better human being

[wheat jay]

@mild thunder belf or nelf?

[mild thunder]

For?

[wheat jay]

dh

[mild thunder]

Nelf

[wheat jay]

fair enough

[mild thunder]

hops in place

😈

[scarlet flame]

I’ve never liked those shoulders but I like the mog overall

It really portrays mud hut dwelling hunter

[mild thunder]

Souls fans are on my hate list

Weebs
RMP mains
Souls fans
Kpop stans

[twilit ridge]

It's cuz they try hard PvP and cheese or are ass

[mild thunder]

Marvel fans

[twilit ridge]

Not as bad as marvel fans

Only thing worse is Disney adults

[mild thunder]

If you’re a grown ahh adult

And you obsess over superhero movies

[twilit ridge]

I remember some furry tried to cheese kill me when I got back from being afk

[mild thunder]

Take a moment

Look inside

And change

[twilit ridge]

I sat down and made him uninstall

https://tenor.com/view/havel-darksouls-gif-10190478

[mild thunder]

Have you ever heard of Sykkuno?

[twilit ridge]

Who

[mild thunder]

He’s some league streamer that’s kinda big

But bruh

He speaks like a fucking anime character

Unironically

[twilit ridge]

League

[mild thunder]

Hehe, I didn’t m-mean to do that ☝️😅

[twilit ridge]

I'd expect nothing less

[mild thunder]

Bro actually makes me violent

[twilit ridge]

All league players cringe

Except Tyler1

[scarlet flame]

how much you wana bet this guy didn't think ret needed a nerf and is mad holy got nerfed

warrior in a great spot being dogshit to these people

[mild thunder]

Dantes

[lean burrow]

Imagine being an adult and playing these kiddy games

Where you move some little orc with a sword

Pathetic

[hot solstice]

Comparing arms to ww consider that to do 100k crit mortal u need: 10%х2 overpower stacks + sharpen+30% сolosus+20% avatar while ww need 15% serenity buff to 200k+ srk

No imagine difference without mods

[ember totem]

Watching soccer is pathetic

[vapid tartan]

Doesn’t it get above 300k sometimes

[lean burrow]

True

I'm on sigma grindset

I watch wall

[hot solstice]

Like ww without cds is still Tony Stark while arms without cds is like captain America without serum

[spice hornet]

those two are known trolls

unfortunately the forums are filled with people who go on there specifically to troll

[scarlet flame]

oh i dont use the forums at all good to know

[mild thunder]

People who claim they’re trolling are just coping for being genuinely mentally challenged

[scarlet barn]

[wheat jay]

How are you razonko?

[scarlet flame]

can anyone get in on na?

[thick reef]

nope, let me log in before then i lagged out in valdrakken

[scarlet flame]

@thick reef i just got in on my dk

[thick reef]

same

[fallen solar]

I told my wife I don’t trust the trees in our yard. They seem kinda shady

[wheat jay]

Druids in disguise

[elfin surge]

why are these still nerfed

[slate root]

cuz peeps were making one shot vids :3

[spice hornet]

arms dam is so fucking pathetic

i finally had an all melee lobby and was getting outcleaved by ret/dk

ran the long SS one game and ret/dk were just sitting there taking it the entire time and check meters and ret has same damage and offtarget dam as me

[wheat jay]

mud complains about arms being nerfed while also being one of the reasons it is

[teal hedge]

Fellas

How much should da bench press improve in like 3 months?

Went from injuring myself at 45x10 to being able to hit 60x7 no problem

[elfin surge]

no

[teal hedge]

Well being a pro would make blizzard analyse your gameplay no?

[obsidian loom]

DK gets sks but we need sharpen nerfed

[lean burrow]

if you haven't gone bald then not enough

[spice hornet]

Is this in kg or lb

[teal hedge]

Kg

[spice hornet]

That’s a pretty good increase

[teal hedge]

This is from april to july

Hardest part is just eating the right stuff

[spice hornet]

Yeah diet is truly the hardest part

[teal hedge]

Like, how am I supposed to find 150 grammes of protein every day

[spice hornet]

You can lift hard af but if you’re eating like shit or not enough you ain’t gonna grow

[teal hedge]

And stick around 2500-3000 kcal

[spice hornet]

Eggs, chicken breast, yogurt

Peanut butter and milk

[teal hedge]

I eat cottage cheese

[obsidian loom]

Ricotta

Unsalted

[teal hedge]

They have these 1l tubs with 95 grammes of protein

[obsidian loom]

And fiber

Fiber is slept on by meatheads

[spice hornet]

One 8oz breast has 70g of protein so it’s not too hard to hit protein requirements it’s calories

[teal hedge]

True

[spice hornet]

That become tricky

[teal hedge]

I got a family that struggles a little with cooking

But hopefully it improves when I move out

[obsidian loom]

Cook yourself

[spice hornet]

Like they don’t like when you cook it?

Or they make you dinner lol

[open glacier]

2v2 is desperating ffs

[obsidian loom]

You can make chicken 10 minutes work

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I keep asking them to grt me chicken breasts and low-sodium sauces but they never do

[obsidian loom]

Get it yourself

[spice hornet]

You need to buy your own silly

[teal hedge]

No job

[obsidian loom]

Tf

[teal hedge]

Not yet at leasy

[spice hornet]

How old are you

[teal hedge]

19, I graduated a month agi

[spice hornet]

You’re just gonna have to live with it until you get a job

[teal hedge]

Real

Been applying to some places

[spice hornet]

Where do you live

[open glacier]

what is our best partner in 2s as fury?

[spice hornet]

So many places need bodies

[open glacier]

hpal? druid?

[spice hornet]

Rdruid or hpal or whatever healer is best

[teal hedge]

Also got into dream universitu

[teal hedge]

Sweden

But I'll skip a year and apply next year

[west mural]

warlord's torment vs blademasters, thoughts?

[spice hornet]

I would not skip. A year and just get uni done

[wary heart]

LMFAO they nerfed barb

hota fixed

no recompense for the quake bug

[teal hedge]

Uni is 5 years though, and trying to decrease my burnout

Got into the medical field 😎 (pharmacology)

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder how do people look like this and not feel embarrassed

[fickle forge]

.- The dude with a gnome pfp

[scarlet flame]

wtf is yours bro

pfp doesn't = in game mog

[lean burrow]

can you brew me flasks?

irl

[teal hedge]

Working on it

[elfin surge]

both good play what u like

[west mural]

issue with warlord is it's ezer to stop with cc, issue with blademaster is pets eat it

without all cooldowns and uptime feels shit, or if they don't make mistakes

1 defensive cooldown and they alive

[spice hornet]

Pop all CDs on boomy

He barks

Completely safe

Boomy does his go

Team needs to trade 2-3 CDs to live it

[scarlet flame]

@west mural i like warlords into teams im not using unhinged on

i also like the playstyle of warlords better than blademasters

[wary heart]

meirl

boomies whine theyre underpowered

[west mural]

i also feel like bladestorm is kinda counterable, selfdisabling and random dps

[scarlet flame]

you can grip bladestorm

can't you knock it back with mage shit too

[spice hornet]

burst being tied to bladestorm is terrible

this area is ass

it needs to be redesigned

so does this area

[wheat jay]

choice between cc and burst

[spice hornet]

like what kind of capstone is this

[last turret]

@elfin surge when you stream again ??? You have nice energi and nice content

[spice hornet]

muds washed

he wont show his face on stream until warr is broken again

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I don't get this talent at all.

Also wish they'd remove the modifier from hurricane so it were a bit less troll.

[last turret]

Buff bladestorm remove the modifier

[elfin surge]

nothing to stream

[limber relic]

ggs bois

i give up

i reroll boomie

ggs

after 10 years of only playing warrior

[limber relic]

u used 2 be able to disarm bladestorm way back xd

[elfin surge]

[limber relic]

rip

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[scarlet flame]

@limber relic i rerolled dk, and am leveling a boomie too

🙂

15 years of only playing warrior and this patch killed it

[limber relic]

like, every xpack where warr has been shit i just didnt play it

legion warr was trash, wod same, bfa same

i quit in SL cuz it was boring af and when DF hit and warr was good again i started playing. now its dead again and its either quit or reroll

[scarlet flame]

s1 df warrior was actually fun

you know what was great

i used spear and cds and a mage had to block or die

[limber relic]

and rerolling to hit 200k+ moonfire is just kekw

yeah spear was fun XD

[scarlet flame]

now i use all my cds and they alter time it

i dont even get insta disarmed on warbreaker by rogues anymore

i dont even get cc'd

nothing happens

[limber relic]

yeah

it tickles

xd

[scarlet flame]

they literally removed their disarm bot on warbreaker WA

cause before it was .5 seconds after i wb i get disarmed

now nothing happens they just tank my damage cause its the same but they have 700k hp now for some reason

[limber relic]

warrior of elune > warbreaker

[obsidian loom]

Yeah why is arms hp so low

It feels like a bug honestly

[scarlet flame]

my dk has 100k more hp than my warrior and both are 445 ilevel

[lucid walrus]

dks have always had a shitload of health passives

we get one or two but it’s the shitty like +10% stam from the node before shockwave

[west mural]

i leveld and geared 4 chars in 20 days xD but sadly nothing is quite like how warrior gameplay feels

even if bad

either way it's pretty good to do so cause u learn more about the other classes

[river walrus]

It is definitely a good way to learn more about other classes. I was always main warrior/dk. This expansion learned how to play shaman, monk and mage. Learned a lot about their rotation and cds

[mild thunder]

I couldn’t even leave the house dressed like that

[wheat jay]

Cuz you're a furry cosplayer

Btw

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-specific-weapon-and-armor-sets-may-be-coming-in-patch-10-1-7-334105?webhook

Those are MAD lit

[lean burrow]

still no pvp sword

new pennant is just blue

[wheat jay]

Mehh

Never cared for those

[wet scarab]

Really hope it’s the start of reviving the order halls

I want to hang out with my brothers in chad

[wheat jay]

Same

Order halls gave me that amazing feeling of playing a class

[mild thunder]

Show proof or I’ll report you

SMH

[wheat jay]

Dont need to

The word has been spoken

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

You're guilty until proven otherwise

[mild thunder]

Mud plays vulpera, not me

[wheat jay]

But you are vulpera

[mild thunder]

Actually, my fursona is catboy nahj

😈

🐱

[wheat jay]

[scarlet flame]

please no one play vulpera

you can't be chad and play vulpera

math doesn't add up

[wheat jay]

I used to play panda in legion

Rage whispers were amazing

It was like winning twice

[lean burrow]

"you can't be chad!"

[wheat jay]

Its not the race that matters

[mild thunder]

vulpera main spotted

[wheat jay]

Its the strenght of your arms that makes you a chad

[scarlet flame]

damn do you play vulpera

[scarlet flame]

okay the people who rage whisper based on race are racist irl

but if you play vulpera or gnome you aren't real in game

deserve no respect

[mild thunder]

literally me

[scarlet flame]

i dont play a gnome

this is a throwback to classic

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

and it was an alliance guy i made friends with while i was playing horde

[twilit ridge]

[scarlet flame]

its not cope fuck u

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

its a pfp stinky feet bitch

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[scarlet flame]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-spider-man-no-thanks-nope-nah-gif-17278765

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

i only play chad races

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/témauver-gif-19189315

"i only play chad races"

[scarlet flame]

im not the vulpera player here

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

mud getting called out

[scarlet flame]

or gnome

[mild thunder]

gnome kinda chad tho

[scarlet flame]

i disagree

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-battle-horses-gif-20597424

[scarlet flame]

your helmet is bigger than the rest of your body you look like a clown

just put yourself in a trash can at that point

also the logic of gnomes being melee fighters other than rogues makes no sense

[mild thunder]

no cap tho, a tiny little gnome destroying some giant ass orcs and tauren is more chad than anything

[wheat jay]

Y'all weird

[scarlet flame]

yeah but logically that wouldn't happen so its dumb

[wheat jay]

Still

[scarlet flame]

like how a gnome gunna stop a human let alone a tauren

[wheat jay]

Y'all weird as hell

[scarlet flame]

no one asked you bro

[mild thunder]

yeah but logically ☝️ 🤓

[scarlet flame]

shut up you can't tell me its not goofy as fuck

i dont play wow for goofy shit

[mild thunder]

you play wow for goofy shit, i play wow to escape the voices

we are not the same

[scarlet flame]

whats the addon to see previous games

[mild thunder]

reflex?

[scarlet flame]

yeah

its not on curse is it

[mild thunder]

nah

[scarlet flame]

google?

[mild thunder]

it's on wago.io

[scarlet flame]

whats it under

[mild thunder]

reflex

idk i just google reflex wow addon and download it

[scarlet flame]

oh do you have to download the app

[mild thunder]

gotta reinstall that shit everytime i ragequit wow and uninstall the game

[spice hornet]

aug support spec can literally out damage arms lol

[mild thunder]

i also love the new aug tank/support/dps/healer spec

it's so fun

[scarlet flame]

250k upheaval for some reason

[mild thunder]

blizz really outdid themselves on this one

[ocean hedge]

All my blue pvp gear is mastery while I was trying Fury. Will I be really bad off swapping to Arms now, or should I wait until i get some haste pieces?

[sweet grove]

What spec for 3s is best right now?

playing warr/spriest/rsham

[spice hornet]

Spriest

Boomy

[sweet grove]

I meant for warrior lol, arms or fury for spriest/warr/rsham

[sharp meteor]

They're both fine.

Although I feel like in general I see that with Arms.

But as long as you're not Protection it's fine.

[sweet grove]

Cool thanks

[mild thunder]

"Let me get this straight, you want Arms to be overpowered?"

"Yes, I do! And I'm tired of pretending I don't. Arms is the main character of WoW, Murray. Isn't that what they say? All of you, the twitterheads that cry so much; you decide what's buffed and what's nerfed. The same way that you decide what's overpowered or not."

"Okay, I think I understand you may have said this to start a movement? To become a symbol? To send a message?"

"Come on, Murr-ay! Do I look like the kind of 1800 pleb that could start a movement? I want Arms to be overpowered so I can kill casters. Casters are awful. It's enough to make anyone quit PvP these days."

"Okay, so that's it - you hate casters... That's your defense for wanting Arms to be overpowered?"

"No. They couldn't kite an Arms Warrior to save their lives... Ugh, why is everybody so upset about wanting Arms to be buffed? If it was a Subtlety Rogue crying on the forums you'd scroll right past them! I post here everyday and you don't notice me, but these guys wha-because Venruki went crying about them on Twitter?"

"You... have a problem with Venruki?"

"Yes, I do! Have you seen what it's like out there in the arena, Murr-ay? Do you ever actually leave your casual battlegrounds? Everybody's just crying and screaming for buffs and nerfs. Nobody beats casters anymore! Nobody thinks what it's like to be the other melee. You think caster-mains like Venruki ever stop to think what it's like to be an Arms main like me? To be a class they're not? They don't! They think that we'll just sit there and take it like good little melees! That we won't reroll and go wild!"

"Have you finished? I mean-it's so much self-pity, Mud, you sound like you're making excuses for wanting the game to be unbalanced. Not everybody, and I'll tell you this, not everyone is awful."

"You're awful, Murr-ay."

"Me? I'm awful? Yea, how am I awful?"

"Playing my oneshot clips... replying to me on the forums... you just wanted to make fun of me. You're just like the rest of them!"

"You don't know the first thing about me, pal! Look at the nerfs that happened because of what you did, what it led to. There are Arms rerollers out there, two caster-specs are dead and a third is in critical condition and you're laughing. You're laughing - someone was nerfed today, because of what you did, and you're laughing!"

"I know... How about another nerf, Murr-ay? What do you get when you oneshot an Arms Warrior with a 300k Full Moon? I'll tell you what you get - YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE!" 🔫 💥

[lucid walrus]

good post

[scarlet flame]

dk is just better than warrior

[fallen solar]

Not at survival though

Damage sure

[scarlet flame]

who cares about survival when you do zero damage

imagine if warrior had ret paladin damage

every ability just can crit 100k

avg hits for 70-80k

cds are actually scary

[mild thunder]

ret can also cast everything from 20yards

how does nearly every melee in the game have either a mix of ranged/melee dmg or a passive that gives them extra range on melee attacks, BUT warrior

HOW THE FUCK

does rogue

with their 2 little, tiny daggers

get extra range on their melee attacks

but me, with my giant, 10inch, curved sword

dont get extra range

[scarlet flame]

yup

[mild thunder]

actual retardo logic

[spice hornet]

I’ve had the same thoughts makes no sense

Lot of specs with slows baked into their rotation too

[mild thunder]

yep

and arms literally the only spec with no splash aoe

makes our dmg so low in comparison

also with the influx of pet specs

sweeping strikes kinda fucking sucks a lot of the time

[stable siren]

my guess is simply warrior is the base class that they build other classes off of

[scarlet flame]

i agree but i also hope its not true

[stable siren]

that and thats generally been the thing with warriors, were generally the balanced versions of other specs, and when we have funny 1 shot builds it gets pruned out and handed to other people

(me thinking back to mops heroic strike bombs)

[mild thunder]

okay yea this isn't true

[stable siren]

Hey 2 be fair im dogshit dont listen 2 me

if im wrong im wrong

[mild thunder]

im all for arms being overpowered, but we are definitely not generally the balanced versions of other specs

[stable siren]

no i was thinking the other way were the ones that specs build off off

[mild thunder]

arms has almost always had a kit that's just naturally suited to arena-type gameplay, unfortunately right now our utility has been pruned to the point of irrelevancy

arms has been high A/S tier for almost the history of wow

[stable siren]

am i wrong for saying a tiny bit antiquated also?

not as many shiny new toys

[mild thunder]

yea, our dps rotation is incredibly dull now

there's also just quite a bit of deadnodes in our tree

[stable siren]

yarg lots of filler

[scarlet flame]

6 of these abilities hit over 100k

[stable siren]

yeah rets fucking scarry and they use freedom so i just get to watch him sprint after our caster

or my ass

[scarlet flame]

yeah but ret has the same level of mobility as we do

but they do 10x the damage

and utility

[mild thunder]

not even just filler, just random dps nodes that are literally never viable like fervor of battle and improved slam

[stable siren]

i dont agree with the s/a tier but i am not a good pvp player so im going 2 defer to your judgement galachad

[mild thunder]

and then we have multiple talents that are really spread across 2+ nodes like skullsplitter and cleave

[stable siren]

i also wonder if our tree was built early on and then as they made other classes they got better at it

[mild thunder]

not really, we were toward the later releases iirc

at the very least, middle-of-the-pack

but we went through a TON of tree changes through alpha/beta, significantly more than any other spec

[stable siren]

yeah i remember that i thought they didnt really know what they wanted us 2 do

[mild thunder]

our tree was getting reworked basically every week

at one point dbs and rend were in the class tree for fury and prot to pick up, we had condemn, TRoar had cc, we had a group-utility banner, etc. etc.

[stable siren]

Yeah im so sad we lost banner

i was so fucking excited for skull banner again

[mild thunder]

it seemed like the warrior devs were trying really hard to decide what to prune to give us a balanced tree for release, while every other class threw the fridge at the wall and said fuck it

[stable siren]

bring back the totem that made us shoot lightning from our wepons 2!

[mild thunder]

why the fuck are Dance of Death and Fervor of Battle still nodes?

[stable siren]

can we get the dev that reworked pally 2 look at our tree maybe

or the one that made avoker

hook us up blizzardo!

[mild thunder]

we also have sooo many boring passive nodes

[stable siren]

wait ur telling me ur not excited for 10% more damage on slam

[mild thunder]

dreadnaught, exhilarating blows, massacre, IFtK, sharpened blades...

none of them change the playstyle

[stable siren]

all warriors sub brick intelegence need to make the numbers small and ez to read and understand

[mild thunder]

we also dont really have anything from pre-SL

[stable siren]

like utility wise? damage wise?

[mild thunder]

at all

[stable siren]

bring back hard hitting ms i hate that it tickles

[mild thunder]

the only pre-SL/new stuff we have is fatality, ToM, dance of death, storm of swords

and outside of fatality, they're all boring af

wtf are our capstones bruh - bladestorm? does shit dmg, it was only good because of the cc immune for pvp and merciless bonegrinder for m+

battlelord - boring AS FUCK