some ppeople are running sks again prob because TR no SKS build dam is pathetic
#pvp
spice hornet
lyric violet
never forget
weak wedge
some ppeople are running sks again prob because TR no SKS build dam is pathetic
that might be it
It helps for closing some kills
spice hornet
i dont know how much more sks is better though since the nerfs
like if its only 5% better overall, 5% on top of dogshit already isn't worth the SKS rotation headache
i swear having this instead of unhinged would make warrior instantly feel a lot better
scarlet flame
yeah that looks great
iron fractal
Does running out of reinforcments in Ashran not count as a win?
wheat jay
nerfs to broken specs would be better than buffs to arms
lyric violet
Nah i just wanna be op also
iron fractal
Horde ran out of reinforcments and we didnt get qonquest or count as a win for the weekly quest.
scarlet flame
nerfs to broken specs would be better than buffs to arms
i feel like an aug evoker but worse
i buff my teammate with 50% ms and some dots
maybe some cc reduction if banner gets value and intervene is a worse rescue
even fuckin aug evoker critting over 150k all the time with uphev and living flame lmao
what if ms hit 150k 
thick reef
as warr, should I be doing focus target keybinds?
scarlet flame
yeah
thick reef
i guess i should right, just feel like im running out of keybinds 😄
what u bind them to @scarlet flame ?
scarlet flame
what i bind them to is only relevant to me
thick reef
true but i just have no idea
scarlet flame
cause what i use as binds might not be what you like
thick reef
yh ik
scarlet flame
well ideally its a bind you can hit thats not annoying
focus bolt is pretty important so something you aren't reaching to far for
thick reef
yh and most are taken up 😦
scarlet flame
can do shift modifer in a macro but i dont use those so i can't help you
thick reef
do u just do focus123 and then focuskick focusbolt etc?
scarlet flame
i use arena 123 for bolt and focus bolt
thick reef
yh fair, makes sense
thick reef
np thanks for the help anyway
hot solstice
nice ray of frost ticks
meanwhile^
126k biggest mortal on frost mage
they lost btw
wheat jay
almost all are crits tho O_O
digital rover
I haven't played fury seriously since MoP and i seem to be doing a lot better with it than Arms. Does being enraged still cause you to take more damage? I think I remember that being a thing way back when
elfin surge
I haven't played fury seriously since MoP and i seem to be doing a lot better wi...
Fury sucks and being enraged makes u take less damage now
digital rover
Fury sucks and being enraged makes u take less damage now
why is Fury bad? I've seen it crank for a while now
elfin surge
Both specs of warrior are struggling rn
digital rover
oh. thats fair i suppose
elfin surge
casters just destroy
digital rover
As a main dk i understand that fully
elfin surge
our best comps are with the fotm casters which other melee can play better
digital rover
but i just wanna finish my 1800 so i can go do pve with my warrior
elfin surge
Both specs are about equal tbh
so play whatever
arms is prob next in line for buffs
torpid bridge
what is gear priority for conquest pieces
vapid tartan
our best comps are with the fotm casters which other melee can play better
Stream pls 
mild thunder
Both specs are about equal tbh
Bro what happened to those buffs
Mage nerfs are okay tho
mild thunder
Stream pls <:Late:1111578256697729055>
I’ve been watching a bit of bajheera lately
Bro exudes positive energy
vapid tartan
I thought he’s on d4 rn?
vapid tartan
I’m just playing rbgs rn arms always feels nice there
digital rover
is this kinda close to waht people are running. i just copied the build code during the beginnings of 10.1
vapid tartan
Hope we get those buffs tonight
Tho idk what buffing slam would do
Have we pressed it all expac other than on annhi fury?
vapid tartan
is this kinda close to waht people are running. i just copied the build code dur...
Yea people are running that or rb build
mild thunder
Tho idk what buffing slam would do
Nothing
It needs a 200% buff to be useable
And even then, it just doesn’t work with our kit
When do we press slam?
vapid tartan
Hm what do you think the changes we need are?
mild thunder
The only way slam could fit in our rotation rn is if storm of swords affected it
mild thunder
Hm what do you think the changes we need are?
Full rework ngl
digital rover
are you talking about arms?
mild thunder
DF arms is so fucking ass, burn the whole spec
vapid tartan
I feel like either we need stronger bleeds or more burst
jus feels like I barely do more dam than in .07 lol
maybe buff our crit nodes? Idk
wheat jay
DF arms is so fucking ass, burn the whole spec
I mean, its fun
mild thunder
Unnerf everything they nerfed in season 1
mild thunder
I mean, its fun
It is not
wheat jay
But why not make it like in legion again?
mild thunder
Now is the worst iteration of the spec
vapid tartan
thoughts on 10.05 arms?
mild thunder
thoughts on 10.05 arms?
Was decent, but only because it was strong. The spec was still poorly designed
mild thunder
This is a short list of everything arms has lost since s1 SL, mostly utility
The spec needs the fun back
Just give us back overwatch, safeguard, banner
wheat jay
Okay okay listen
Overwatch was broken
Safeguard was dmg reduction from intervene?
That was nice
mild thunder
Overwatch wasn’t broken
Overwatch and misshapen together was broken
wheat jay
Aoe reflect was dumb
mild thunder
But we don’t have misshapen
wheat jay
1min rally was dumbo too
Banner I am partially responsible for, I apologize
Fuck banner
mild thunder
Overwatch is a pretty significant trade off to lose intervene to try and reflect one thing
It’s fun, but it’s not op
wheat jay
Fleshcraft was annoying as fuck for everyone, but for warr would be nice
Also, fleshcraft wasnt most value for warr
mild thunder
Almost most value for warr
wheat jay
It was most value for any healer that played necro
Warr wasnt even in the discussion lol
mild thunder
Yes?
wheat jay
Value for warr was one more thing that stopped cc
mild thunder
Being able to int > fc entire go’s was pretty strong
wheat jay
Or gave you small bonus dmg
It was strong
But healer getting cc immunity from it was more valuable
mild thunder
Who gives a fuck about healers
wheat jay
Which is absolutelt fucking dogshit compared to shit I lost
Dmg reduction on feign should return
It was like 20% iirc
Or 10%
For few seconds after feign death was used
And flayed shot should be back
Survi is not burst class, it should be consistent dmg again
vapid tartan
Y’all think fatality worth for rbg maps like eots where we just spin mid whole game? See lots takin eb but doesn’t seem like much value to me
rotund trellis
warrior is shit btw,or at least feels like casters are fucking pumped
wtf happened with the patch???
it feels horrible playing melee
btw last arena:
spice hornet
Warrior dam is bad
spice hornet
Yep
rotund trellis
and i trinketed
I can't push past 1895
resto druids are also ridiculous. I don't understand. for blizz a class is either trash or obv broken
spice hornet
.
rotund trellis
can they fucking balance their game lol
wheat jay
resto druids are also ridiculous. I don't understand. for blizz a class is eithe...
Iirc its hpala that's stronger now
And ye casters are strong now
rotund trellis
Iirc its hpala that's stronger now
I'm playing with a resto
sorry hpal
we got to 1895 and hard stuck against rogues and locks/resto
rotund trellis
2s
rotund trellis
locka I'm fine, it's druid perma kite, hpal bof, rogue/mages combo i struggle with
I mean, locks are CLOSE, but manageable
it's just that cyclone is fucking cancer right now
lol
sharp meteor
Yeah, that's some excellent progress.
spice hornet
Damn no arms tuning 😦
That is good progress for a bracket that’s dominated by rogues, ferals, and hunters
It gets very sweaty past 1800 especially
mild thunder
Damn no arms tuning 😦
there's still a few hours 
spice hornet
Surely the devs will add the arms fixes
mild thunder
watch ww get nerfed now that im playing it
mild thunder
opinion rejected
amber heron
not just because of holy paladin but
dk is just better then me
boomie is better then me
sub is better then me
really is not a warrior meta rn
time to reroll i guess...
ill be back in the next patch
mild thunder
@spice hornet
spice hornet
Average FOTM wow player activities
mild thunder
spice hornet
I’m glad I don’t know who it is
rotund trellis
That is good progress for a bracket that’s dominated by rogues, ferals, and hunt...
Thanks, it really means a lot. From not being able to get out of 1500s to almost 1900. I am beyond happy
mild thunder
@spice hornet endorsement for stormforged
spice hornet
I would be eligible but the powers above will cherry pick a time where I called things retarded and use that against me
Can’t let any PvP only mains into the club, have to be 100th percentile on a scripted pve fight
mild thunder
I would be eligible but the powers above will cherry pick a time where I called ...
still funny af that you actually got kicked
after we asked for a SF
if Late was in charge we'd have a SF 
scarlet flame
what is sf
elfin surge
We'll see
mild thunder
mud, i think you've lost sight of the fact that blizzard doesnt care about us
spice hornet
You know warrior is bad when mud isn’t really playing
thick reef
Thanks, it really means a lot. From not being able to get out of 1500s to almost...
ledgendary stuff
swift folio
did they change something with solo shuffle i get pretty much insta ques as dps
sharp meteor
did they change something with solo shuffle i get pretty much insta ques as dps
Bad and/or unpopular specs generally have shorter queues due to the system attempting to avoid matching duplicates.
ruby temple
finally have time to begin my PVP grind and IK a few weeks ago people said to just roll my 441-444 pve gear in the meantime as I earn conquest but feelin a lil sused out with only 24% vers in pvp combat XD
I'm sure it'll be fine just gonna play super annoying
sage raptor
mud, i think you've lost sight of the fact that blizzard doesnt care about us
dont care about melee*
lead game designer plays lock
vapid tartan
looks good for fury and matches up with our cds
No pve trink is ever really worth
green anchor
random flare
is wrecking/shattering throw worth taking or should i just go bitter immunity for arenas
muted surge
It’s worth if needed, it isn’t if not
mild thunder
is wrecking/shattering throw worth taking or should i just go bitter immunity fo...
wrecking very worth
shatter bad
sharp meteor
is wrecking/shattering throw worth taking or should i just go bitter immunity fo...
The sole use of bitter seems to be to rip off an amp curse on your go.
Wrecking is great into absorbs.
Shatter feels inefficient.
(and unreliable)
mild thunder
by the time you get shatter off into any decent team, the player is full hp
usually
sharp meteor
Pressure is usually gone.
Colossus Smash, Sharpen, Slaughterhouse, thunderous ripped off.
Teammate has already tabbed.
mild thunder
arms is so good at swapping anyway
sharp meteor
Mhm. Just tabbing feels like the play most of the time, I think, at least in the context of shuffle.
mild thunder
id say even in 3s shatter is a waste
if a priest can MD, stay on them
other than that, swap imo
sharp meteor
In a match where you could've wrecked 5 times you could've instead just played shatter and had it stopped the single time you tried to use it.
Even if not into cocoon/pact it feels nice into discs (rip)
mild thunder
yea shatter is so easy to LoS/outrange/disarm etc.
sharp meteor
Rets with their shield
Idk just feels like a decent button
Oh, and of course into Mages
mild thunder
pre sure it works into karma too
mild thunder
what's going on
fickle forge
arms is so good at swapping anyway
: )
random flare
Is there a comprehensive pvp guide/website out there anywhere? I’m primarily a pve player so my go tos are wowhead and icy veins but the pvp sections of those guides are barely anything
scarlet flame
fiery lily
Is there a comprehensive pvp guide/website out there anywhere? I’m primarily a p...
Try murlok.io, not really a guide but you will see what top/most players gears and talents.
random flare
Try murlok.io, not really a guide but you will see what top/most players gears a...
yeah i did find that, thanks. guess ill just have to learn from playing
magic wing
Shatter when it works is sooo satisfying tho
lean burrow
yeah i did find that, thanks. guess ill just have to learn from playing
youtube
lots of guides
#810664169140518947 read advice that others got, everyone probably makes the same mistakes
zinc willow
how do i work on the set bonuses? i see all the top pvpers with set bonuses but not sure how to start working on em..if anybody has a sec to explain?
muted surge
get a possible tier piece ( chest leg hands shoulder), drag your ass over to the catalyst and change it to a tier piece
get 1.6k rating in any bracket and you also get a tier token
lyric violet
holy shit man warrior jsut fucking sucks now
doesnt help i get put in these lobbies where people just forget to hit their defensives really tilts me
scarlet flame
yeah warrior is dog
last turret
warrior meme spec now sadge
lyric violet
straight up not having a good time.
about to be a ret main 👀
lets flaming sword go burr
lean burrow
buffs soon
lyric violet
i'm just in the lobby so the hpal can ge 6 rounds
i want a main character rework mid season
wheat jay
warr won't get a rework
or anything close to it
best you can hope for is some dmg buffs
lyric violet
5% damage buff
wheat jay
ye
lyric violet
😢
wheat jay
because warr is a solid class
its got everything it needs, just burst isnt as high as it used to
lyric violet
warrior is still designed like its 2008
wheat jay
everything is designed like its 2008 because the game is from 2008
lyric violet
that's a fair point
river walrus
Only classes not designed for 2008 probably DH and Evoker since they are fairly new
wheat jay
well
ye
dh just got more skills that dont require targets
similar to good old cleave
and augmentation is the 1st one thats actually NEW
lean burrow
give arms bloodrage talent
spice hornet
I think what he means is that warrior kit is primitive. Nearly our entire kit is identical to classic/tbc except that we have stormbolt and leap. Like in cata we had an aoe interrupt shout, mop we had banners that do different things etc. all pruned. we still have to manually apply hamstring and many specs have their slows baked in etc,
lean burrow
gg, perfect spec
wheat jay
I think what he means is that warrior kit is primitive. Nearly our entire kit is...
fam, my spec got reworked in legion and its still a 2008 spec lol
spice hornet
Rogues for example didn’t have abilities like smoke bomb, duel, vanish used to be unreliable and now it has healing/shields baked into it, etc
wheat jay
as if warrior needed more shit in his kit O_O
spice hornet
I@ just saying it’s the nearly the same kit since 2005
wheat jay
let me surprise you, most classes have same shit
they had for years
open your talent book
for any spec of warr
and you'll see a fuckton of new stuff
or stuff thats from 2 expansions back
scarlet flame
mortal strike should be like old dk ability and heal me for the health it prevents
im also so fucking tired of seeing aug evokers every single game
i can't stand those lizard shits
makes the other dps do 30k+ more dps and still can crit this like why is this even a thing
thick reef
Can anyone help me which spec and build is the better one if I just want to play random bgs? Fury or Arms? Also which spec in the pinned posts?
thick reef
I find Fury still has more survival on its own?
I'm fury main since 2014, no idea about the state of arms
sharp meteor
It has more dueling potential, I think.
thick reef
That's what I'm thinking yeah
sharp meteor
You press Enraged Regen when on stun DR and just full heal.
thick reef
All I'm looking for is messing around in bgs and world pvp
sharp meteor
I just think the biggest difference is whether or not you play with others.
thick reef
No rated stuff
sharp meteor
Solo warrior in bgs isn't great.
thick reef
Never really was
thick reef
You press Enraged Regen when on stun DR and just full heal.
DR?
sharp meteor
Diminishing return. Once CC'd you'll be affected less by future CCs.
Get stunned, come out of stun and heal to full.
Fury is neat like that in wpvp/bgs.
thick reef
Yeah I just tried Fury and Arms back to back and definitely Fury feels better for me
Can do more on my own
elfin surge
They're both fine.
They're both trash
wheat jay
They're both trash
Skill issue
Can't get boosted by uglybaldbaby, cant get boosted by Chadkick
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> maybe play with augmentation evoker?
tank comp lol no thanks
fallen solar
Yeah I just tried Fury and Arms back to back and definitely Fury feels better fo...
Yeah fury definitely has alot of healing
I like arms though
MS is so annoying to healers
Arms has good damage too.
I hit over 100k MS when they crit of course. Only when buffed properly
Fury has the better tier set too
So when it’s all said in done. Fury
I climb easier too
mild thunder
I hit over 100k MS when they crit of course. Only when buffed properly
cant tell if being ironic or not
100k is not good burst
that's lower than our s1 burst
s1 we were critting for 150k - 200k+ during burst
mild thunder
fam, my spec got reworked in legion and its still a 2008 spec lol
this is also so cap
artji with the terminal Ls today
river walrus
MS is so annoying to healers
Slaughter house when fully stacked is better than mortal strike. All around fury is better than arms right now
spice hornet
artji with the terminal Ls today <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Def cooked
supple galleon
so I have a question, if a slow is a slow, and a root stops you from moving completely, wtf is a snare?
supple galleon
okay how the fk am I supposed to do anything against frost mage
spice hornet
so I have a question, if a slow is a slow, and a root stops you from moving comp...
snare and slow are the same
supple galleon
snare and slow are the same
then why do they not just say slow instead of snare? smol indie companie
spice hornet
i think snare is technically for ground effects
like old ice trap
earth bind
but people just mainly use slow as the main term
either you are slowed or rooted
@mild thunder i think i know what it takes to be SF @elfin surge
bright stream
wait Mud reckons warrior dead
what's been happening team
@mild thunder
(had to brb a month to get IRL achievements)
mild thunder
<@589020053748449300> i think i know what it takes to be SF <@269709440146604032...
aight, where do i send my proof?
how about we all send them to each other and then i'll send them to the right person
mild thunder
Im playing warr again
still a bad take
arms is magnitudes more basic and dull than more modern specs like sv, ww, fire mage etc.
arms has virtually nothing going on besides ms > op > ms > op > ms > op
and rage is a joke of a resource
in the entirety of s1, i may have looked at my rage bar once or twice during an arena game
once or twice total, not once or twice in a game
@spice hornet @elfin surge back me up
wheat jay
arms has virtually nothing going on besides ms > op > ms > op > ms > op
Class is not just dmg rotation lol
What do I have, mongoose which is just better slam, bomb that's just a dot, Serpent sting that's just like rend, except its nature dmg not bleed
Kill command which is closer to overpower
Death chakram is worse collosus smash
Did I miss anything?
mild thunder
What do I have, mongoose which is just better slam, bomb that's just a dot, Serp...
???? sv has twice as many buttons, more intricate minor CDs (explo, chakrams etc.) a dynamic burst rotation (i.e. co. assault periodically alters your rotation instead of giving you a flat 20% boost), all the while you get to mix-and-match your rotation to play in and out of melee
arms is also one of the only specs left in the game with no splash aoe outside of bladestorm
wheat jay
Ye, twice as many, but most is utility
mild thunder
Class is not just dmg rotation lol
sv also has more utility than almost any other spec in the game
wheat jay
Dmg is not intricate at all
mild thunder
Ye, twice as many, but most is utility
i hadnt even gotten to utility yet
arms literally uses two dps buttons, ms and op
and sometimes execute
mild thunder
KC, MB, bomb, sting
wheat jay
Cuz you're talking out of your ass
wheat jay
Op ms rend
mild thunder
rend is barely worth even keeping up
wheat jay
Its still dmg
mild thunder
then when you get into minor CDs, sv has explosive, chakrams, flanking and fury of the eagle if you take it (it sucks icl)
arms has... cs
another flat buff
mild thunder
im not talking about whether it's good or dispellable
mild thunder
im talking about what you have to make it fun
mild thunder
Chakrams is worse collosus
TRUE! the 40yd range chakrams that persist out of LoS are totally so much worse than CS that gets insta-disarmed
so true bro
wheat jay
Also, warr should have gotten aftercocke
wheat jay
TRUE! the 40yd range chakrams that persist out of LoS are totally so much worse ...
10% buff to physical
mild thunder
ARGUMENT OVER
mild thunder
again, cs gets immediately disarmed or kited
sv
does not
because disarms are useless and the spec cannot be kited unless you're a fingerless moron
wheat jay
Disarms are not useless lol
wheat jay
Seeing how much shit arms has ppl can barely kite it too
wheat jay
Barely
mild thunder
bro has not played on blades edge
wheat jay
Not never
mild thunder
Seeing how much shit arms has ppl can barely kite it too
this would be a fair argument if every caster/ranged spec in the game didnt also get more mobility/kite potential from DF talents, if not moreso than arms
wheat jay
Double charge, heroic leap, 2 root breaks, if you Play with hpala which is now meta you cant get kited as warr
They can bop disarms too
mild thunder
if you're consistently bopping disarms, you're probably versing fingerless retoids
mild thunder
Double charge, heroic leap, 2 root breaks, if you Play with hpala which is now m...
even if you dont get kited as warr, who cares
the spec literally does s1 dmg
LESS
LESS THAN S1 BURST
wheat jay
That's why there's still quite a few above 2400?
mild thunder
because warrior will always be a popular spec because of how iconic and braindead it is
not because it's still particularly relevant in the meta
wheat jay
And because its always strong with its kit lol
mild thunder
the kit that has been continuously pruned, especially over the last two xpacs?
wheat jay
warr wasn't rly pruned going from SL to DF
you lost banner
done
some classes do more dmg, done
mild thunder
3 seconds on intervene
overwatch
aoe spell reflect
safeguard
1min rally + half the power of rally
necro banner
2 seconds of duration on spear
45 seconds of cooldown on spear
sharpen blade nerfed
condemn charge
all the utility arms lost through the course of SL to now
that i can think of
and yes, it got some stuff to make up for it here and there - shockwave, impending, double time
but that is a tough trade
wheat jay
out of all those what was not deserved?
because some stuff was just BUSTED
beyond reason
mild thunder
and the power on rally
wheat jay
rally is arguable, but okay lets say it should be back
mild thunder
just another modifier that led to oneshots
because long pve fests are so much more fun
wheat jay
what do you not understand about "oneshots"
roll some old mud clips lmao
"okay guys he doesnt have trinket, ill use storm bolt and 100-0 in two globals"
"im so good man, he used trinket lol"
mild thunder
it can also be balanced around... y'know, not oneshotting
instead of just removing it
wheat jay
yes
mild thunder
that's not balancing it
mild thunder
the decision to remove it also had nothing to do with balance or whether it was bad
it was never picked up in pve
simple
wheat jay
it was bad tho
sage raptor
Yall are all wrong
mild thunder
covenants that were pve relevant stayed, pvp ones didnt
wheat jay
its purpose were to oneshot
wheat jay
covenants that were pve relevant stayed, pvp ones didnt
spear wasnt rly the best in pve
mild thunder
????
wheat jay
only for half of a patch
wheat jay
and for tanks in m+
mild thunder
what are you on
wheat jay
ye, which was half of a patch iirc
mild thunder
as soon as cov leggos came out, spear was the go-to for all specs in m+
wheat jay
so noone played it
mild thunder
aftershock never saw play because of the hard cap
mild thunder
even in raid spear was more popular because it was easier to use as arms
wheat jay
then in s2 for bosses it was best
mild thunder
aftershock was better in m+ s1 for fury
1 season...
wheat jay
s2 for arms it was best
wheat jay
so you're just talking out of your ass
mild thunder
aftershock was great for season 1
season 2 we got cov legendaries and spear became a lot more popular (as well as its conduit scaling better)
aftershock cov leggo sucked because mobs needed to sit on the dot
that's why it fell so far behind
and the conduit was ass
mild thunder
NATHRIA WAS SEASON ONE
wheat jay
sanctum was both kyrian and nf, nf being better because it did MORE DMG
mild thunder
MYTHIC PLUS
wheat jay
now sepulcher was mostly kyrian, with many still playing nf at the top
not sure you can check older m+ seasons on raider.io but many still played nf in later patches
kyrian was more popular except for s1
when nf was broken
also, later in the patches you could have just swapped
first patches you couldn't
mild thunder
for raw single-target fights, NF was okay, but if it only fulfills one niche and barely, while kyrian massively beat it out in m+, i would think its fair to say it wasnt particularly relevant
mild thunder
one niche being single-target fights with little-to-no movement
wheat jay
which was every single fight there lol
mild thunder
and the dmg difference was negligible and mostly a result of the overpowered NF soulbinds
wheat jay
ye it was about soulbinds same in m+
wheat jay
in s1 it was purely soulbinds
mild thunder
NF arguably had better m+ soulbinds with korayn
wheat jay
crit chance on new target was broken
mild thunder
also to be clear, aftershock technically did make its way to DF
it got renamed and remodeled into thunderous roar
mild thunder
fulfils the exact same function with none of the major positional downsides
wheat jay
its a fury skill renamed
mild thunder
thunderous roar is nothing like dragon roar
it shares the same icon and animation but the functions are completely different
mild thunder
aftershock - 90sec aoe burst with a dot
TRoar - 90sec aoe burst with a dot
DRoar - 30sec mostly-ST burst with no dot
mild thunder
TRoar had a knockdown right until the end of beta
wheat jay
did
mild thunder
but point is, it contributes a nearly-identical dmg profile
with none of the major downsides
wheat jay
not rly
knockdown in pvp was the big thing
cuz it was the only part of it that was useful there xD
wheat jay
as if they ever did lol
mild thunder
which is why pvp-relevant covenants didnt make it to DF
wheat jay
spear did O_O
mild thunder
because it was dominating pve...
wheat jay
wheat jay
Galafish 
mild thunder
spear was also barely relevant by the end of SL
every spec figured out how to bug it and make it useless
idk man, ive already said how they could fix arms a thousand times
they'll never do it
wheat jay
i said the same about survi, they never will either
11.0 fix waiting room lol
im just waiting for Chrono odyssey now anyway xD
mild thunder
i said the same about survi, they never will either
difference is sv is a fun, dynamic spec
your proposed changes turn it into another generic hunter spec that bicmex would hate
weak wedge
im just waiting for Chrono odyssey now anyway xD
Not the kind of Chrono something I expected 
mild thunder
cuz of dmg
sv consistency isnt even that bad
it just has better burst now instead
tryna finish lvling an alt and getting farmed by 3 lvl 70s 
of course they're all terminally 1400
mild thunder
old trail
How's arms is pvp? Easy to hit 2.1k with decent war/pvp knowledge? Or would something like an uh dk be easier to do it
muted surge
Uh
gaunt dune
arms or fury for SS?
lean burrow
Galafolks
thick reef
This okay for bgs?
muted surge
everythings okay for bgs
thick reef
I guess
pale harness
I am at full honor gear and have 1800 conquest should I be buying a weapon or 2 set first? I'm fury btw.
spice hornet
<@160879799672373248> <@269709440146604032> back me up
Is Artji over here claiming survival is a worse version of arms
mild thunder
Is Artji over here claiming survival is a worse version of arms
yee idk, if you think sv is poorly designed or not enjoyable idk what to say
spec is extremely fun, esp in pvp
arms has so few buttons that we spam an off-gcd defensive that costs rage
elder island
What tier and crafted are we running with for arms pvp?
wheat jay
Is Artji over here claiming survival is a worse version of arms
never said that
just said arms is not a 2008 spec, because everything except dh and evoker is a 2008 spec
mild thunder
just said arms is not a 2008 spec, because everything except dh and evoker is a ...
several specs have had massive overhauls since then and now have almost unrecognisable kits
you gonna tell me outlaw, fire mage, ww, sub, sp, ele, enh are all 2008 specs?
wheat jay
as much as arms is
spice hornet
Arms is the closest to 2008 version of the spec than any other
wheat jay
you played bm?
mild thunder
as much as arms is <:keks:936231610850897992>
idk how you can be this cooked
mild thunder
you played bm?
bm is a meme and extraordinarily braindead and it still has more going on and more to keep track of than arms, and plays very smoothly
mild thunder
actually having buffs to maintain, while the spec interacts with itself in a meaningful way that you can optimise
mild thunder
arms is literally just proc-fishing between 2 buttons with no regard for resource management and near-infinite CD resetting
mild thunder
what buffs, its literally only barbed shot
barbed shot, yes
scarlet flame
why this guy in skrims bro
wheat jay
barbed shot, yes
which is rotation
its like saying you need to keep track of deep wounds
mild thunder
im not arguing that bm is difficult or complex, but the fact is that it does require some rotation-optimising to maintain its buff properly
mild thunder
its like saying you need to keep track of deep wounds <:keks:936231610850897992>
no, it's not
wheat jay
im not arguing that bm is difficult or complex, but the fact is that it *does* r...
doesnt rly
mild thunder
you do not generate enough thrill stacks to keep it up perfectly with no effort
hence bm needs to dump barbed stacks before bestial wrathing
and then fish for procs and fire off early to maintain stacks
so yes, it's a "part of the rotation", and that part of the rotation is optimising your buff upkeep
wheat jay
it literally comes from just doing your rotation
you dont need some 5head logic and skill to do it xD
mild thunder
can you read?
wheat jay
either i can't or you're spitting bullshit
wheat jay
better to be a hunter with L than warrior with W seeing how y'all bitch every time you're not predators of the ladder
mild thunder
either i can't or you're spitting bullshit
i mean i said this, and then you said you dont need 5head logic to play bm, so im gonna say you struggle to read
wheat jay
some bitch more, some bitch less
mild thunder
every class bitches all the time
bro is literally in here all the time crying that sv doesnt do good consistent dmg anymore
scarlet flame
not even close to true
mild thunder
scarlet flame
how many ret-ards did you see non stop crying about getting nerfed after being the most op class the game has ever seen
how many hpals do you see defending themselves now that they're also broken
or boomkins or sub rogues or mages
literally every class bitches the same amount about their class
i see supa hard defending moonkins like the moon spells aren't totally overtuned garbage lmao
teal hedge
Warriors truly are the brian griffins of the classes
scarlet flame
is that some huge iq joke that if you're a retard you wont understand
mild thunder
Warriors truly are the brian griffins of the classes
warriors are closer to meg these days
teal hedge
Meg would be like, hpal
mild thunder
Meg would be like, hpal
paladins are this kid
scarlet flame
mild thunder
warriors are peter griffin, ww monks are tyrone and lois is all the fun we used to have in arenas
mild thunder
rogues think they're stewie, but in reality they're also the helmet kid
teal hedge
Rogues when I beat them to death (irl)
lucid walrus
mages are stewie fs
mild thunder
nah stewie a lil warlock no cap
lucid walrus
actually
scarlet flame
stewie is moonkins
lucid walrus
yeah i could see that
scarlet flame
get away with the most disgusting shit
mild thunder
stewie has gotta be warlock because he's a pet spec
lucid walrus
dude has the class fantasy down
scarlet flame
man im in the vale of eternal blossums and im mad they kept this place ruined
mild thunder
<@&257983573498265600> can we get this guy banned please? idk how he keeps getting back in here
also can we get @spice hornet as SF
while you're here
spice hornet
scarlet flame
i sure do seem to see way more surv hunters than warriors these days
scarlet flame
this mage gunna die instantly
you can't tell me hunters aren't more popular than warriors rn this is back to back
wheat jay
is there a site that shows class popularity after a certain patch?
cuz checkpvp is only popularity above X rating xD
scarlet flame
idk this is just skrims and ss i see way to many hunters
magic wing
Complete opposite of season 1
scarlet flame
the amount of people in BGS who are never give up retards astounds me every time
dudes are down 1400 points in arathi and say never give up
stark reef
deft wharf
it's a good thing they kneejerk tuned based on ppl at rodent mmrs in season 1
sharp meteor
why this guy in skrims bro
Skirm quest week.
scarlet flame
Skirm quest week.
its been there for a week why rudar in skrims on a sunday
sharp meteor
Because Sunday and Monday are the "oh shit I gotta warp this up" days.
Although in the case of the weekly spark fragment I don't think it matters.
sage raptor
You're not playing with the hpal?
teal hedge
I unironically lift more than I play wow now
wheat jay
i am playing with the same person i did in all the other seasons
man's playing all healers
sage raptor
I'm so confused. I'm assuming you're the surv hunter which would imply the hpal is on your side given the color coded bars. And there's only one healer I see and its top heals
sage raptor
i am playing with the same person i did in all the other seasons
I have no idea who that is lol
wheat jay
I have no idea who that is lol
well, my healer
he plays all healers
ohhh you were legitimately asking
i thought you meant to shame the hpal reroller
sage raptor
Oh no lol. My gf plays hpal tho
wheat jay
its conflicting for me not gonna lie
cuz i hate hpal's design 😦
but man's a treasure so I don't mind it
sage raptor
Same tbh
sage raptor
It's great and all until you push in pvp and you get a bunch of weird excuses as to why you died lol
sage raptor
Yeah I just learned to roll with the punches.
Like when I put down an amz and she runs away from
wheat jay
lol
sage raptor
It just be that way lol
wheat jay
it is what it is
i just play chill games with him
some 2s, sometimes 3s
he's got some team for main 3s now
sage raptor
Hell at least we have people to play with. A lot don't even have that.
wheat jay
cuz i can't play cuz of work, kargish can't play cuz he a pussy
sage raptor
Boooo
wheat jay
if i was to play SS i'd kys
sage raptor
The highest ive ever gotten was around 600
That was the worst experience wow has ever given me
wheat jay
ss is annoying
scarlet flame
@wheat jay fuck you surv does dumbass damage for no reason
wheat jay
very
wheat jay
<@291636646225379328> fuck you surv does dumbass damage for no reason
want me to worsen it?
check this
sage raptor
And the waiting just to queue into specs that hard counter you is so aids.
scarlet flame
no i already konw hunters are stupid
scarlet flame
fuck hunters who want more defensives
wheat jay
you do know what spirit bond is, right?
scarlet flame
splits damage with pet you can heal forever
wheat jay
and 50% of its healing goes to hunt
wheat jay
splits damage with pet you can heal forever
bruh
sage raptor
LMAOOOO
scarlet flame
in 1 fight that lasted 30 sec hunter healed 600k with it
wheat jay
that sir, is impossible
sage raptor
Imagine getting hammered by a hunter and blaming it on its mastery
scarlet flame
well the surv hunter that just beat my face in that healed himself to full hp 3 times says otherwise
wheat jay
sorry, 7min
wheat jay
well the surv hunter that just beat my face in that healed himself to full hp 3 ...
i call BS
sorry
thats impossible
scarlet flame
wheat jay
was it survi or bm?
scarlet flame
damn wish i had a 300k heal
wheat jay
thats less than half of hp bar
sage raptor
+damp
sage raptor
I need to see this unicorn
scarlet flame
you are seeing it
wheat jay
no way it was 30s game
XD
because it literally doesn't work like that
i sent you 7min game
scarlet flame
i just tried to kill this man and he full healed 3 different times
wheat jay
where it did 511k
scarlet flame
explain
sage raptor
Was this in an arena or wpvp?
scarlet flame
it was bg
wheat jay
scarlet flame
just me vs him noone else around
scarlet flame
the whole time until i died
wheat jay
which lasted how long?
scarlet flame
30 seconds
fallow wagon
Hey there ! Little question about gearing ! I'm actually buying conq stuff, and i was wondering if i should replace a honor helm or ring / neck over my hands / pants that i actually have on PvE tier set and turn it onto PvP tier set
scarlet flame
i joined late
wheat jay
i dunno then
scarlet flame
prob 2 mintes
wheat jay
cuz that's impossible
scarlet flame
minutes
wheat jay
and him healing to full without healer is also impossible
wheat jay
Hey there ! Little question about gearing ! I'm actually buying conq stuff, and ...
what ilvl is your pve tier?
cuz generally you want bigger pieces first
if its heroic, then imo go ahead and buy big pieces first
if its mythic then you can keep it because iirc its 447
which is a small diff
then buy smaller pieces
priority is weapon > helmet/chest/legs > shoulders/boots/gloves > back/wrist > accessories > trinkets
fallow wagon
Yey, they're on 441, so ima gonna buy the rest of the tier set at 450 !
scarlet flame
priority is weapon > helmet/chest/legs > shoulders/boots/gloves > back/wrist > a...
you dont think alacrity is worth more than rings/wrist/back
wheat jay
fair point
that one could be better
but then again, rings give more vers
and wrist is main stat
scarlet flame
true
wheat jay
id still buy them last i think
scarlet flame
i buy escape trink last most of the time
yeah ig alacrity is only like 100 main stat diff from honor to conq
wheat jay
not worth it
upper snow
In a general sense, does arms have more survivability than ret? It feels night and day playing the two and I feel like paper on my ret compared to arms.
wheat jay
Not really
Warrior is super durable, with a healer
Without a heal arms flops
Whereas ret can live a bit better by itself
upper snow
Ty Ty
mild thunder
In a general sense, does arms have more survivability than ret? It feels night a...
Arms has better constant mitigation, ret has better defensives
umbral sleet
arms or fury for pvp?
spice hornet
Neither
spice hornet
Both DPS warrior specs are really bad rn
If you had to pick one probably furycis slightly better
umbral sleet
ofc warr is bad when i come around to reroll it xD
thick reef
What's a good rating for SS to assume you aren't a shitter anymore
lucid walrus
What's a good rating for SS to assume you aren't a shitter anymore
3600xp 4x shuffle r1
if you want a real answer then there isn't one imo
spice hornet
Depends on spec but for warriors 2300+ is pretty good rn
thick reef
Anyone else having trouble logging in?
Alliance Tich
lyric violet
yeah
thick reef
Ah yes
thick reef
OK not just me
thick reef
So annoying. Got the kids to bed SUPER early for once and have some time to wait for solo shuffle ques. And I can't play lmao
lyric violet
yeah sucks
lyric violet
What's a good rating for SS to assume you aren't a shitter anymore
people's answers will vary but i think if youre top 1000 NA atleast then you're probably ok
thick reef
people's answers will vary but i think if youre top 1000 NA atleast then you're ...
I'm not top 1000, excuse me as I rope myself
mild thunder
Fury with augmentation could be very good
Anything with aug will be good
Doesn’t mean Aug will choose you
I love that they heard everyone cry about how annoying PI is for pve
So they decided to make a spec based around doing exactly what PI does
lyric violet
I'm not top 1000, excuse me as I rope myself
haha i mean per spec
thick reef
haha i mean per spec
I'm not Top 1k in my spec
sage raptor
am I high or was Necro Banner in the talent tree at one point?
mild thunder
am I high or was Necro Banner in the talent tree at one point?
high
sage raptor
well poo
maybe when they cull rotational abilities from the trees in 11.0, they'll think about adding stuff
mild thunder
maybe when they cull rotational abilities from the trees in 11.0, they'll think ...
arms needs bigger changes than that imo
sage raptor
yeah fs. im just saying it'd be nice to have cool abilities like that again
mild thunder
we had skull banner that gave 4 allies 30% crit dmg for a few seconds
mild thunder
yea, kinda happy it didnt stay
it looked kinda undertuned and was in a really awkward position on the tree iirc
i want enduring blow back instead of battlelord, it's so boring
sage raptor
yeah :/
why did blizz bring all the boring cov abilities into DF?
and why did warr only get spear?
mild thunder
i loved full-healing my team at 1% mana while almost oneshotting the entire enemy team
mild thunder
it was a great "oh shit" button
sage raptor
gg2ez
I wonder with the abscence of borrowed power if we'll ever have fond memories of crazy abilities again with "new blizzard"
mild thunder
well technically we still have tier and embellishments
but they're a lot less interesting... DF tier sets have been omega dull so far
sage raptor
and tbh I've never heard anyone say "bro remember dk tier in t27? that was crazy bro"
I think the dull abilities were on purpose because the trees are still new
mild thunder
does anyone ever say any iteration of dk was crazy besides its release?
sage raptor
new for an evergreen system I mean
sage raptor
no but it was the class I was thinking of because it had one cov ability in DF and it got nerfed pre-season
mild thunder
i legit dont even remember the other dk covs