pvp

[limber relic]

Holy fk

The swap

[near delta]

That shit was amazing

[elfin surge]

shit w c

[limber relic]

Damnn

Its a shit awc ngl

But that was nice

[elfin surge]

all awc are shit

i never watch

[limber relic]

😂

"Warriors are op"

Watta joke

[elfin surge]

says a demo lock main

[limber relic]

😂😂

This guys a joke

[spice hornet]

ret paladin is a ranged spec

[limber relic]

I love how they boost blizo

Like

Helping him stick on the target

Something i never get in solo shuffle 😂

Gg

2-2

[limber relic]

Rip

[teal hedge]

Rip my fucking triceps bro

Bench only activates triceps, might be that my pecs are a lot stronger

[thick reef]

is Arms still better than Fury in arenas?

[teal hedge]

No

They're about the same

[thick reef]

O ok, thanks

[frosty nexus]

how wide is your grip

[teal hedge]

So fucking wide, I scratched my hands on the railing

[frosty nexus]

yea probably just muscle diff then

i never feel chest unless i go heavy

[teal hedge]

Might honestly just be that my pecs are comparatively strong

Buddy pointed out that my mind-to-muscle was good there seeing as I can individually flex my pecs

[frosty nexus]

like your pecs are always gonna be stronger than your triceps right its a bigger muscle

just gotta give your arms time to catch up if you only recently started lifting or whatever

[urban skiff]

Don't go too wide, takes technique to activat breast when your grip is super wide and it's going straight to your tris instead

[teal hedge]

Sounds fair

[frosty nexus]

yea i go

[teal hedge]

I can even notice my left arm not being as controlled as my right, but hopefully that will even out

[magic wing]

I hate benchpress

[frosty nexus]

just outside shoulder width

[teal hedge]

I've only been lifting since like late april

[frosty nexus]

im not gonna go giga wide to reduce ROM like some powerlifting mfer trying to get 1 inch movement of bar

[magic wing]

Can almost lift more on dumbell bench

[teal hedge]

And most strength I've gotten is legs

One mo0re annoying thing is eating the right stuff

I've managed to cut out sweets relatively succesfully, but I struggle eating the amount of protein I need.

[frosty nexus]

ok that makes sense

when i started lifting

[teal hedge]

I think I need around 100 - 200 g per day?

[frosty nexus]

i literally never felt my chest on bench

[urban skiff]

You need to focus on the standard grip width then.

[frosty nexus]

then when i got to a point where i added 30kg more

i started feeling chest

[teal hedge]

ALready do a pretty wide grip naturally, being wide, but you're right.

[limber relic]

Whaaz is just

Insane

[teal hedge]

I hit a 50 kg x 10 today and my poor triceps felt like they caught fire

[urban skiff]

if you go too wide, you can't use your lats to carry some of the weight

[frosty nexus]

i like to do close grip bench right after normal bench to properly stress my triceps

then skullcrushers

feels good men

[teal hedge]

Ah

[urban skiff]

You should try floorpress as a variation to close grip

[teal hedge]

Today I did bench, then military press, then flyes with dumbbells, then incline dumbbell press and lastly tricep extensions.

Military press feels bad man

Makes me feel so weak

(Seated dumbbell overhead press***)

[frosty nexus]

military press is goated i swear

its hard starting but

i have the opposite

i feel strong af lifting shit over my head

[teal hedge]

I switched to seated dumbbell overhead press though

I notice my upper back hurting a bit after each session

[frosty nexus]

need more space for that i got a shitty little garage gym kek

[teal hedge]

Like, right between my shoulderblades

[frosty nexus]

i have my bench / squat rack, a spot for deadlifting, then a motorbike and thats about it all in same area

[teal hedge]

I assume that's something that goes away after I strengthen my core and lats, but still

[urban skiff]

my gym is in my bedroom

[teal hedge]

But yeah, for a little while now two people I respect have been complaining about my potential, so I gotta get this down

[urban skiff]

haven't done regular OHP in like 2+ years because it's such a bother to take the bar out of my rack

so seated pin press it is

at least it's a proper simulation for parts of log press

[teal hedge]

I mean, even my dad when he was ill was really strong, no idea where he got it from

[urban skiff]

strength is equal parts muscle mass and adaption of the central nervous system

[teal hedge]

Yeah

I mean, I had to let my dad lean on me sometimes and I mean, I could still feel that he was stronger than me when I was 17

[snow rivet]

Good morning ! do you have good macros to advise for pvp warrior arm?TY

[urban skiff]

/use [@focus,harm,nodead] [] kick

[undone pumice]

is that why specificity is a thing

[urban skiff]

I'm not sure what specificity is exactly

But the reason you feel really weak after skipping training isn't a sudden rapid loss of muscle mass, it's because your nerves are less optimized for carrying the signals. Basically recruit less muscle fibers.

It's why static holds makes you lift heavier weights

[vapid tartan]

@stark reef still running haste pants?

[teal hedge]

My nerves have been all over the place, hence why my strength has been a little wacky

Grew a bunch and haven't been very physical

[undone pumice]

Specificity is training specifically, say you are a jumper as an athlete, so you do 1/4 squats instead of squats to depth since thats closer to jumping, i.e. your nerves get adapted more to that movement (jumping/shallow squats) instead of a learning a new movwment (squats)

[stark reef]

Not playing atm

[undone pumice]

is that theory correct

or is that how i get my degree in bro science

[spice hornet]

why is ret paladin still able to stall the game out

so long

along with being a ranged class

[mild thunder]

/camp

use this whenever you go to queue for solo shuffle for amazing results

[lucid walrus]

oh ok 4-set does have an animation

cool as fuck

[kindred abyss]

So as a Fury warrior is there any trick to doing solo shuffle when you are the only melee? i was top 2 damage both matches but still rough getting wins

[vapid tartan]

What cr?

[kindred abyss]

1200, im still bad lol

[vapid tartan]

Make sure you are ccing healer before big goes so damage doesn’t just get healed

Learn common defensives and don’t waste dmg on them

And try and keep healer position in mind, be careful when they are in cc

[lean burrow]

what animation?

[lean burrow]

leap is a defensive cd

enemies pop cds = you leap behind pillar

[lucid walrus]

talking about arms. there's a lil frontal shockwave that happens when you mortal after wounds procs the buff

[lean burrow]

i thought slam gets some animation

[lucid walrus]

so glad we don't have a slam tier set

[lean burrow]

isn't it current 4 piece?

crits give buffs to next slam

[lucid walrus]

mind you it's not much better

[lean burrow]

they changed it

[mild thunder]

bro has been asleep

it got changed like 3 months ago

[charred onyx]

so like, the tier sets for both specs are kinda meh in pvp ya

[lean burrow]

i'm asleep

[muted surge]

I stopped using arms 4p

It’s like 10k dmg per round

Rather get more vers

[spice hornet]

sub rogue is so broken man

[pale minnow]

wtf is this lying shit

I mean i got used to waiting 50 min but they lying 3 min? 😄

not even hope is up dude like f off with this shit

[mild thunder]

skill issue

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

im gonna come back to wow and main sub rogue

[spice hornet]

@stark reef

[weak wedge]

But what about bigger badder MS ?

[muted surge]

It’s not bigger tho, especially bcs we don’t go for crit

We don’t even get stacks

[mild thunder]

ooooh, 5% bigger ms

[frosty nexus]

i know 2s is a meme but

anyone any advice for fighting bm hunter hpal

mfs had basically perma freedom and i couldnt hit shit ever

💀

or is it just unwinnable

[gaunt scaffold]

You summed it up

[vapid tartan]

Any good rbg warriors that tc and stream?

[vapid tartan]

I think details shows 4p as the aoe only, and not the buffed ms damage?

Should be hitting like 32+ vers with 4set anyway

[muted surge]

I mean, yeah but look at the casts

Per cast you got 5%

Maybe it’s worth idk

[vapid tartan]

Yeah advantage is you can take 500ish crit from legs and put it into something else

Not sure if that’s worth more than 4p

[mild thunder]

dont you lose like 6-8% vers by taking full 4pc?

that's pretty large

ntm losing stat agency... just fullstack mastery as arms and pretend that it's WoD

[vapid tartan]

So we would drop shoulders and legs

Could def bump up mast by 4% then a couple more in vers probs more dam than 4p tbh

I’m sitting at 21 on arms

Oh but you lose some from dropping shoulders

[sturdy trellis]

Don’t run tier - except gloves. Play Frostfire Legguards of Preparation. Crafted strength proc boots too. As arms

[urban skiff]

It's a fact that the number 1 way to get good at something is to do that thing. Whether it's called specificity or something else is less important.

Using squats for getting good at jumping can work because it will

1. grow another type of muscle fiber than what you use for jumping
2. it will teach your nervous system to recruit them

which both carry over to "better jumping".

[undone pumice]

yea so basically, doing the movement helps not because it grows new muscle, it just reinforces it in your nervous system

[teal hedge]

I just checked the priest server out

It is SO MUCH more moderated than this server

[undone pumice]

lore friendly

[teal hedge]

What the fuck just happened

I waited in queue for 20 minutes only to get put into a game with 5 players on my team, and after like 15 seconds the game just stopped

No queue or anything afterwards

[teal hedge]

Sometimes I believe pouring acid in my eyes is more pleasurable than solo shuffle

Mage hit me wit da

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-beautiful-saturday-enjoy-the-day-gif-21833611

and hit me for 80k with a single arcane blast

[finite holly]

How is mage and fury warrior as 2s comp

[sharp meteor]

Awful. Terrible.

[dense arrow]

any world where SMF works? Havent unpacked my warr in a while

[muted surge]

No

[runic wharf]

dont think it'll ever be good as long as it costs talent points

[muted surge]

Talent points todo less dmg

[lucid walrus]

i'm not certain i know how you lose as sub rn

[spice hornet]

you dont

unless you take hands off keyboard

spec is unkillable

[river walrus]

2 vanishes, smoke bomb, cheap shot, kidney, blind, sap, cloak (could be renamed to pally bubble at this point) and evade

Did I miss something?

Rogues have way too much cc and defensives

[limber relic]

hey guys! im live doin 3s if anyone wna come ❤️

[teal hedge]

Is it worth dropping skullsplitter or nah?

[limber relic]

idk, i see alot of ppl doing it but

i stil like it

[muted surge]

do you mean sitting in q

[limber relic]

i was doing games then healer had 2 leave

:x

ended stream once he left cuz i cba

need to find a consistant healer

[muted surge]

maybe stop flaming your heal then .<

[limber relic]

xd

he left cuz he didnt like turbo 😦

[undone pumice]

50 min stream

and you call yourself a streamer

[teal hedge]

I got a level 68 disc

[twilit ridge]

Mud doesn't stream and we call him a streamer

[undone pumice]

no we dont

[teal hedge]

I'm so old, I remember when Mud was still alive....

[mild thunder]

We call him washed

[twilit ridge]

[mild thunder]

[lean burrow]

changing cloak into bubble would be a nerf

[mild thunder]

pala bubble is actually one of the worst defensives in the game with how easily it's countered

esp since it's been a constant priest meta since SL

[mental knoll]

FINALLY got 1800 the night before Blizz fixing inflation tomorrow

[wet scarab]

I don’t know I managed to get 1800 week 1

I went hard because I really wanted the mog

I’m usually trash and not comfortable with any of the meta arms builds

[sage raptor]

mind over matter

[woeful solstice]

i hit 1950 week 1 and havent qued since

still top 200

dead season

[cyan atlas]

best race for war in pvp?

human?

dark iron dwarf?

[digital rover]

is arms bad in shuffles/arenas at the moment? I'm having a bad time trying to climb rating

[fossil mortar]

Go Fury get all the rating

[sharp meteor]

It's probably Gnome.

Although most of the usual races are fine or good.

[mild thunder]

^

gnome underrated af

[sharp meteor]

Off-global root break on Arms in particular feels great.

[brazen dew]

Isn't the season deflated

[shell river]

Constant priest meta since pvp began

[steep inlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/14dirgg/some_numbers_about_rating_progression_3v3_eu_data/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[spice hornet]

sub rogue needs nerfs as soon as possible

[whole chasm]

they’ll probably get fucked in 1.5 when outlaw gets their change

[drowsy atlas]

is the pinned Arms guide still accurate? I see alot of people on ladder going Mastery as Arms, Guide says haste?

Or is it just better to stick to fury rn?

[muted surge]

Might be because they had mastery gear from fury

[errant bobcat]

Have I missed something here?

[whole chasm]

Just people saying outlaw is getting compensated

[mental knoll]

Yeh that's what I meant to say. I think blizz is fixing the mmr issue though with the next reset.

Just was hard stuck at 1600 rating for like 3 weeks as arms warrior. But switched to fury and was able to get up to 1800 in 5 days

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

no clue, i havent played the game since w1

just keep pinging @elfin surge for stuff like that

[elfin surge]

arms is dead

f tier melee

[mild thunder]

^

i concur

mud is only ever r1 when fury is meta

[elfin surge]

kekw

been r1 more as arms idiot

[twilit ridge]

[mild thunder]

reported to mods for bullying

byebye stormforged, idiot

[elfin surge]

[atomic orchid]

I’ve never seen mudcx as arms.

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge ? isnt that the oblivion streamer?

[elfin surge]

kekw nah

but skyrim owns

IV sucks

[mild thunder]

take that back

[elfin surge]

lmao

[mild thunder]

kids these days man

[mild thunder]

oblivion dark brotherhood is a goddamn goated questline

the contract where you get to go murder people in the house party

[elfin surge]

ye i just dont have time to really get into it

i think

[mild thunder]

quit wow fr

[elfin surge]

cannot

[mild thunder]

i honestly dont miss it at all

[elfin surge]

when i take breaks from wow

i miss streaming

more than wow

[mild thunder]

yea that's fair

imma come back for hardcore and that's it

[atomic orchid]

DF Classic Waiting room

[elfin surge]

lol

HC test realms soon!

no answer for a month

[green wyvern]

same

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

blizz too busy deleting 10.1.5 quests

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

hardcore will probably come out toward the end of d4 season tbh

if they're smart

[drowsy atlas]

So basically fury>Arms? Even tho Arms has 50% heal cut?

[elfin surge]

HC will tank pvp participation for a few weeks for sure

[green wyvern]

I dont think it matters tbh

[elfin surge]

both fine tbh

[green wyvern]

cant be tanked further

its dead af

[mild thunder]

all 3 retail pvpers will leave

[elfin surge]

im just waiting for tsg or kitty to be good

my two main comps have sucked all xpan

had to q turbo and become the best last ssn

[mild thunder]

real

dont think kitty will be good for a while tho

tsg might be with those wild uh buffs

[elfin surge]

i will say

it was fun playing disc turbo

but my enh quit

[mild thunder]

disc turbo with sks just seemed dumb

idk all the DF metas have felt aids imo

rpx s1 meta

ret meta

caster meta

[green wyvern]

I hope they rush out 11.0

we need it asap

need people to return

[mild thunder]

riot mmo waiting room

[onyx marlin]

not worth it for them, need more ppl wasting money on d4 first

[magic wing]

Blizz mastered the whale farming techniques

[mild thunder]

diablo is a cheaper and better game tho

the whales are anyone still gorging themselves on wow even though the game is in one of the worst states it's ever been in

[green wyvern]

true

[undone pumice]

no.

fuck riot

[mild thunder]

rare manof L

[teal hedge]

Common manof W

I don't dig their game-design

Valorant and league are both ugly games that suffer from same-face-syndrome

This is why WoW is my favourite MMO, it looks amazing and the artstyle is good.

[mild thunder]

wow artstyle is super hit-or-miss

it peaked in MoP, has never been as good since

[teal hedge]

So true

MoP was the shit

[mild thunder]

DF zone design is pretty good, esp azure span and ohnaran plains, but thaldraszusz is so mediocre

and DF armor aesthetic is garbage

[wheat jay]

I mean wod design was peak

Frostfire best zone

[teal hedge]

WoD was also cool

[mild thunder]

frostfire was good, but that's about it for wod imo

[wheat jay]

Yep

[mild thunder]

every mop zone hit the nail on the head

[wheat jay]

Suramar was best city

Also, noone knows anything about riot mmo yet

[teal hedge]

Legion had some nice aesthetics as well

[wheat jay]

And every game is hit or miss

Shit's subjective

[teal hedge]

When it wasn't all green

[mild thunder]

highmountain good, rest forgettable

bastion was visually really nice (except late at night)

[teal hedge]

Stormheim actually sorta sat with me

[mild thunder]

revendreth and maldraxxus both sucked

ardenweald was awesome at first, but it was the most boring and repetitive to travel through

[mild thunder]

no, my opinion is fact

[teal hedge]

I didn't even play shadowlands oir bfa

[wheat jay]

No you suck

[mild thunder]

dw, they both sucked

bfa had nice visual design on zones, but every zone since mop has felt too dense

or it's full of deceptive terrain that makes it appear bigger than it actually is

like maldraxxus being fucking 80% unscaleable mountains

[teal hedge]

Maan

I remember WoD releasing and me getting to make a pandaren for free

Back when I bought cata, I think

[mild thunder]

i remember being like 9 and leveling a worgen through gilneas for the first time

absolutely loved that zone

"get gabbin', or get going"

[teal hedge]

MY MAN

Exact same with me

[mild thunder]

to this day, ive never finished the goblin zone

even though i really liked the first half of it

[teal hedge]

Can't stand most horde zones tbh

Wait why are they adding night-elf warlocks

Feels like that defeats their whole stick of hating the legion and demons

[undone pumice]

riot (the games) are good, riot balance team and company are horrid

[mild thunder]

pretty much all big companies suck

[undone pumice]

their resource allocation decisions are so???

[mild thunder]

blizzard's been embroiled in ongoing sexual discrimination lawsuits, and didnt they recently up the sub price in Ukraine?

[undone pumice]

lmao

at least

blizz is one of the few companies that realizes CHF is worth more than the dollar

so subs are 12.50 instead of 15.-

[mild thunder]

subs are 20 here

[undone pumice]

yea cuz aud is third world country currency

[mild thunder]

shut

the fuck

up

[undone pumice]

[mild thunder]

[undone pumice]

meanwhile half of SEA is like

500 viet roubles for 1 dolla

[mild thunder]

but yea riot is the only company making an mmo that has the reputation and finance to compete with blizzard

mmo genre is dead af, at least they might make something decent

[undone pumice]

valve mmo

valve mmo

bottom text

[mild thunder]

corepunk looked really cool until putin decided to invade ukraine to stop its production

[brazen dew]

I take it fury has a better time than arms in rss

My main goal is that shadowflame illusion tbh.

[barren bear]

zzzz "sUbS aRe $20"

[mild thunder]

who?

[wooden grove]

Imagine not understanding currency exchange rates 😂

[teal hedge]

I've gotten repeatedly FUCKED by the fact that the swedish crown is so weak

Makes it painful to exchange into euros for online purchases

[spice hornet]

does arms use 4pc

[undone pumice]

i prefer 2p(a)c

[urban skiff]

Daily reminder we can buy sparks for bad vault tokens from tomorrow

[unique fox]

this arms 4pc is truly atrocious

what the fuck is this garbage

[spice hornet]

Yeah they keep making bad 4pc for arms

I feel like ret still has way too many answers for stuff on short cd

While being mongo brain dead dam

Literal ranged spec

[warm portal]

Odd to complain about ret when some other way more oppressive specs exist lol

[sage raptor]

no its not

Ret is cringe

tf?

because something is worse means we cant complain about something else?

[unique fox]

Everything in this game sucks to play against lol

because the game is bad

[sage raptor]

DKs are free wins

for now

[unique fox]

Even then its some cringe FDK pillaring until he has CDs again

[sage raptor]

well if theyd stop pussy footing dk tuning they wouldnt have to

[analog knoll]

4 pc or 2nd 450 2h gonnna be a bigger dam boost for Fury?

[unique fox]

Fury 4 piece actually seems good

Fully stacked hits the dummy for 200k crit with cds

[river walrus]

The problem is fully stacking it during arenas. It's a very difficult set up to stack it, then stun, spear, rampage and empowered bloodthirst

[unique fox]

Yep definitely takes a long ass time to get 10 stacks

[urban skiff]

is it just me or is pvp extra toxic tonight?

Like not the people, just everybody bunnyhopping away from me while I'm perpetually slowed?

Everybody got a better slow than me

and better range

and I'm all the way down to 1650 now

[muted surge]

you need to go up

not down

[urban skiff]

idk what's up with all the healers now

"2.4k xp" -> kites the 20% dps away from me while my cooldowns are ready and the healer is off in africa

and my intervene is ready*

This entire season just feels off

[muted surge]

people are trash

[urban skiff]

Starting to wonder if it's easier to level two warriors and just grind out 1600 for the last two pieces of transmog

[sharp meteor]

It's easier. Although as the season goes on and everybody gets pushed up you'll finish it without it ever really getting any harder.

Alt warrs are fun, though. New racials, new mogs, etc. Super quick to get setup now, too.

[drowsy atlas]

for fury in arena, is it better to go sophic on both weapons or to go shadowflame wreathe? Im Annihilator build rn

on retail it seemed to do good dmg the shadowflame one, wondering if other is more tho

Details*

[spice hornet]

i wonder if sub rogue scooby doo cleave would be lowkey sleeper OP

ret paladin alone makes it team nearly immortal

[urban skiff]

What is scooby doo cleave?

[spice hornet]

ret/rogue

[urban skiff]

Why is thar scooby doo?

[spice hornet]

sounds like rut roh

if you say it fast

[urban skiff]

Ooh

[spice hornet]

lmao

yeah

[obtuse musk]

does spore cloak count toward the 2 embellished items?

[vapid tartan]

Yes

[obtuse musk]

ah ok good to know

[supple galleon]

I really hate how balance druids dont have to cast a single spell and do more dmg than anyone else in the lobby lol

mf sf starsurge

[urban skiff]

changes coming mid july

[supple galleon]

oh I havent seen it

they on wowhead or something??

[mental knoll]

are people purposely trying to tank their MMR today? Just had two SS lobbies in a row where a player immediately dropped before the match began. 1 hour in queue for nothing lol

both of em being mages

[urban skiff]

overall changes:

[supple galleon]

sounds like a normal day

[urban skiff]

all warrior changes:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-fractures-in-time-ptr-development-notes/1587226

[urban skiff]

Not impossible that people are tanking mmr to easily build momentum

The fix to inflation won't do anything if you're stuck at a plateau; every match will go 3:3

[supple galleon]

what did they do to inflation

I've been under a rock this week

[urban skiff]

hang on

[supple galleon]

I dont see any changes to balance that makes me think they will be unable to continue topping dmg with moon/sunfire spam and starsurge

[urban skiff]

TLDR: blizzard's control on inflation is supposedly going to give us all a bump up. One big wednesday and smaller ones for the rest of the week. And then they activate the weekly artificial inflation

[urban skiff]

nono. The change is that they'll splat you in a full moon

[supple galleon]

lol

amazing

[urban skiff]

idk, I'm just not optimistic at this point about their changes. They seem really focused on making sure casters are always "melee+1"

But just one month until i can play my auggie

[supple galleon]

im just sick of being able to be on someone's ass an entire game and not making a difference

[urban skiff]

I wish I could be on an ass

[supple galleon]

cuz they dont have to cast !!

a caster that doesnt have to cast !!

[urban skiff]

Everybody kites and my slows are worse than what others have

[supple galleon]

still topping dmg charts

[urban skiff]

give me a full 30 seconds of uptime on a target and they're in trouble though

[supple galleon]

i feel like i do no dmg idk whast with me

[urban skiff]

4set? what build?

[supple galleon]

anni 2 set but i need 275 conquest and i have 4 set

will move to RB build

[urban skiff]

I enjoy annie onslaught the most but I feel like I can't play without the huge damage of OF/onslaught with RB and 4set now in 2s

i know 2s is dead but my mmr in 3s is just so fucked up

[supple galleon]

I just do 2s to cap my vault

[urban skiff]

and I'm waiting for inflation changes so I can take my SS rating to 1800 from 1796

[supple galleon]

tmrw?

[urban skiff]

will probably put warrior on break when that happens. My gear is already pretty much perfect

yea

maybe wait a day for the better players to rush ahead and the worse players to catch up to me

[supple galleon]

lmao true

im a trashcan

i played with some dude who just came back but claimed to be an ex 2200-2300 player

played like 40 games but he just completely clowned me every round

then escalated to yelling

its my first season doing pvp

made me feel like shit tbh

[urban skiff]

Don't get me started on "2.4k exp players".

They tanked my rating from 1750 to 1600 in 2s and now idk how to recover

All I want is the mog

And I'm always a 1500 hardstuck player and even I can spot huge mistakes they make

[vapid tartan]

damn fury 4p fully stacked chunks

[urban skiff]

The "#### xp" is a meme at this point, everyone (besides me) has a season where they hit a high rating.

[vapid tartan]

240k under reck ava

[urban skiff]

highest I've gotten in actual arena is 90k crit. If you're on dummy then you're cheating yourself

[vapid tartan]

yeah def not something youre gonna be achieving much

[urban skiff]

the dummy is bugged, use the one in SW/Org instead for closer numbers

Or duel a healer.

[vapid tartan]

yeah gonna test it further once i get home

[urban skiff]

I hate to be the bringer of bad news but it's just not exciting for me. I had a lot of games today where I could finally stack it up and try to chunk and it was just barely a rampage worth of damage

I'm going back to annie onslaught once I get my 1800 mog

[vapid tartan]

yeah I wonder how much dps it does

gotta play some arenas with it

[urban skiff]

It very easily drops off from a relatively short chain of cc + subsequent slows

get used to hitting pets

[vapid tartan]

what I wonder is if its worth more than two mast pieces

like if you craft them, then thats what a good 5%?

in place of legs and chest

or legs and hands

[urban skiff]

The math is easy enough. The crafted pieces will always split 50/50 rating. It takes 125 mastery to raise damage 1% before you reach first breakpoint

At first breakpoint you'll need 138 mastery per 1%

[vapid tartan]

how much is it after 40?

[urban skiff]

You have baseline 14%

in case you hadn't noticed

I have mastery in every slot but trinket/tier and this is as high as it goes

I'm only missing 2 sockets

[vapid tartan]

so swapping chest+legs would give 886 mast

[urban skiff]

I don't think it's physically possible to reach 40% mastery without doing something dumb like using 2x scalewarden weapons

886 is 6.4% so theoretically possible

Also raise vers by a lot

chest has a lot of vers sure but legs has very low

Oh right I think catalyst cloak also has higher mastery than vers

so that's another source

[vapid tartan]

not sure if it raises vers lemme do the numbers

[urban skiff]

conq pieces has very high vers mediocre other stat

at least jewelry, not sure main armor pieces follows that formula

[vapid tartan]

kinda the same tbh mostly vers heavy

[urban skiff]

So choice is between crafted and conq

for crafted it's a full 50/50 split so just take total stat budget and divide by 2

[vapid tartan]

ok so you gain 9 vers and 886 mast swapping to crafted chest and legs

[urban skiff]

takes 205 vers per 1% damage before DR. 226 vers per 1% in the 10% DR

[vapid tartan]

do you have numbers on 4p damage?

[urban skiff]

Wonder if 5-6% raw extra damage is better than 4set.

[vapid tartan]

yeah its looking tempting on arms too

have to do the numbers there tho

[urban skiff]

My number is "biggest hit" i've seen in arena today was around 90k crit, and it was bloodbath.

[vapid tartan]

i mean % across arena

[urban skiff]

I think it's difficult to measure

[vapid tartan]

might show up in details? ik arms does

[urban skiff]

but 9/10 you're going to consume the stack before it's high and without the target being in a killable situation, just because you might need the rage or heals

[vapid tartan]

imma check

yeah true

in opener you can probably get like 5+ stacks tho

[urban skiff]

It's why I prefer annie onslaught. It will never waste a stack of 4set

[vapid tartan]

couple rampages for the frenzy stack then go

into bloodbath

yeah been playing both, i like anni too, rb just has some real nice dam

[urban skiff]

build fury -> rampage -> reck -> rampage -> avatar -> rampage -> onslaught -> rampage -> OF -> rampage -> BB

[supple galleon]

finally

[urban skiff]

rb has nice dam but it doesn't frustrate them as much when i don't dro

drop

[vapid tartan]

yeah, guess if yk you have strong heals

[urban skiff]

after switching to sequencing my cooldowns instead of swifty macroing i find myself not using droar as much

if it didn't cost 4 talent points I'd like to go spear instead

[vapid tartan]

do you have the amount of haste and mast it takes per 1% on arms?

[urban skiff]

I don't have them on hand like i do fury

haste should be the same for all specs, mastery is I think 168

can't remember where i found it. It's the kind of info that should be in a class FAQ but isn't

[vapid tartan]

damn we need a pve'er

[urban skiff]

I shut the game down or i'd just unequip a piece and see how much the equipped % changes

[undone pumice]

open it up again

[urban skiff]

[rating] / [%]

[urban skiff]

man I'm playing on a 9 year old pc with a 970 GTX

[vapid tartan]

i remember you talking about this a few days ago i just cant remember when

[urban skiff]

if I want to open my vault tomorrow before work I gotta get up at 3 to turn it on

[vapid tartan]

or waht words to search lul

[undone pumice]

p sure a smartypants with the detailed stats page addon vould do a lil math and wed have it

but alas i am but a poor hc classic andy

[urban skiff]

I'm a project manager, I don't do actual work

[supple galleon]

193k crit bloodbath

[undone pumice]

gz

[urban skiff]

I've had 300k on dummy.

On players you'll see like 60k - 90k

[supple galleon]

and thtas without vicious contempt

[undone pumice]

dummy has like no vers or armor right

[supple galleon]

probs not

[urban skiff]

The DF pvp dummy is bugged, gotta go to SW/ORG dummies

[undone pumice]

and players always have some shit buff like devo aura for dmg reduction

[supple galleon]

so now how to I play with this and do I go anni or RB

[undone pumice]

the sw/org dummies only have 1 hp tho no?

[urban skiff]

Best dummy is to find a rdruid and duel them

[vapid tartan]

.

.

ok

here we go

[undone pumice]

i spent a few minutes whacking the org pvp dummy to test fatality in early s1

[urban skiff]

not sure, but I read a thread about UH DK changes weren't working properly on PTR until people figured out that the dummy is bugged

[vapid tartan]

sw/org dummies are bugged with ms

they will apply rend

[urban skiff]

well that's great lol

[undone pumice]

cuz the valdrakken dummy loses hp

[limber relic]

wha

[undone pumice]

so u cant out fata on them and u can always execute and vicious them n shit

[vapid tartan]

sw/org is somehow losing hp since its triggering rend on ms but appears full

[urban skiff]

168 was damn close to 163. gogo memory

[vapid tartan]

nothing just for info

[undone pumice]

gogo gadget memory

[urban skiff]

This is your isekai moment. YOU HAVE BEEN SUMMONED

[supple galleon]

what are the talents with 4 set? and rotation

[vapid tartan]

ok so taking arms, id say the pieces we drop are legs, not sure about the 2nd

maybe shoulders? since hands+chest should roughly cancel each other out

[urban skiff]

i don't think anyone really knows. I can't make it "work" but I just keep it equipped because it's better than spending a ton of conquest and not having sparks

[urban skiff]

shoulder doesn't have vers so it's a good choice to replace if you want a bit more

[vapid tartan]

so once we at 30% haste seems mast much easier to get damage on

[urban skiff]

I've said it before but even though crit is nerfed, going from 5% to 6% you'll see a 20% higher chance to crit.

[vapid tartan]

wait how

so just get a few gems with crit offstat?

[urban skiff]

Your crit chance doesn't become 20%. Going from 5 to 6 is a 20% increase

I think raising crit from 5% to like 8-10% bears some merit. It's a lot of spiky damage that forces healers to play a bit more carefully around you

But I'm no expert on it

Less for fury because baseline crazy crit during burst

[vapid tartan]

with 4p im 11%

on arms

[vapid tartan]

swapping to mast/vers crafted shoulders+legs = +334 mast +494 vers - 223 haste

so roughly 3%

probs better than arms 4p tbh lul

pve st gains for 2p and 4p

guess we can just cut it in half?

[supple galleon]

I mean 6.5% is still good

[vapid tartan]

its nerfed in pvp

[supple galleon]

yeah I know

half of 13

[vapid tartan]

its 6.5

in combat

[supple galleon]

isnt that what I said

[vapid tartan]

sorry im braindead thought u were talking ab 2p

[supple galleon]

lmao

if it makes u feel better I'm braindead in arena

[vapid tartan]

so what im getting is arms 2p+ crafted: 5.63% vs 4.54% on 4p

fury 2p + crafted: 8.1% vs 6.46% on 4p

got no clue if this is accurate at all

[supple galleon]

298k crit with 4 pc

holy shit

[vapid tartan]

@urban skiff this look right to you?

[spice hornet]

i started playing my warr again and ive noticed like every spec has some of passive cleave or multi target but not warrior, like every game where everyone has the roughly the same main target dam of say 4. everyone is around 4mil +- 500k. But every spec will have like 1-2m on off target dam whereas warr will have like 300k

[mild thunder]

Yea arms and fury both have zero splash aoe outside of big CDs

But sweeping is still one of the best cleaves in the game

Except against pets, then it’s useless

[spice hornet]

lol yup

so whack

[mild thunder]

We should get bane of havoc for arms… sweeping hits everyone in a 15yd radius

[dry bane]

How good is sidearm

as a pvp talent?

[wheat jay]

Sooooo

Legion sweeping?

Skills just hitting everything around

And it being passive

[mild thunder]

Yep

Warlocks get it

Why shouldn’t we

[mild thunder]

Useless, does like 0.3% of your dps

[dry bane]

Running this

[wheat jay]

Because it was beyond broken

[dry bane]

Not sure if i should go Odyns fury or onslaught?

[wheat jay]

Legit, FULL BROKEN

Arms in m+ was a fucking machine

[mild thunder]

Yes, I do want to be SS tier

[wheat jay]

Nazi tier?

[dry bane]

Hey guys if i have no tier pieces should i go odyns or annihilator?

[mild thunder]

Schutzstaffel tier

[wheat jay]

What i would like is sweeping not being on gcd

And cleave replacing ms if you talent into it

[mild thunder]

Cleave replacing ms would be horrible

[wheat jay]

Cuz its literally the same skill

If you talent into it

[mild thunder]

Nah

[wheat jay]

It literally is my guy

[mild thunder]

You would almost never take cleave then

Because you’d do 0 boss dmg

They should share a cd tho imo

[wheat jay]

I mean, have it do same dmg on main target, reduced on aoe

Easy as fuck for blizz to do cuz there's already skills that do it

And its literally the same shit

One is a mortal strike

[mild thunder]

I’d rather cleave just get deleted

It’s boring af

[wheat jay]

Other is a mortal strike in a cone

[mild thunder]

Arms aoe is so poorly designed

[wheat jay]

It used to be good

And fun

Even in shadowlands it was kinda fun

Depending on tier

[mild thunder]

Idk why the bonegrinder node is so weak lol

[wheat jay]

Cuz its boring too

Fuck it

Make cleave do bonus dmg when hitting more than 3 enemies, and make it increase ww dmg like in legion

[mild thunder]

The only thing I like about arms aoe in DF is storm of swords

[wheat jay]

Tclap is retarded get that shit outta arms

[mild thunder]

Nah I like tc

[wheat jay]

Either give it old panda animation or remove it

[mild thunder]

Our bleeds should do more tho

[wheat jay]

When bleeds do a lot people cry

[mild thunder]

With how many points we dump into bleed stuff, I wanna see a bigger return

Bleeds fun

[wheat jay]

Mehh arms imho should be all about buffing yourself for big one hit

Focused rage where?

[mild thunder]

Heroic strike when

Delete spear

Give me necro banner

[wheat jay]

Fam

Ancient Slap

[mild thunder]

Yes

[wheat jay]

Was the best

Not the strongest

But the most fun

[mild thunder]

It’s a shame that the most visually pleasing ability never stayed

[mild thunder]

S1 aftershock oneshots were so fun

[wheat jay]

Ye xD

[mild thunder]

TRoar is basically just aftershock tho… it even had a knockdown and trembles through most of beta

[supple galleon]

so now that I have 4 set I dont press BT anymore unless im going for the kill and have stacks?\

[spice hornet]

is that hpal recompense bug still in the gam

emy bud just got for a 300k one

in opener

[dry bane]

is there smth wrong

with my macro?

[supple galleon]

yes

you use thunderous roar after ava reck

and dont put odyns on there

they both have gcd

[dry bane]

right thts why it wasnt working

[supple galleon]

so move thunderous roar to odyns spot and delete odyns off there

and put /use 13 or 14 if you have an on use trinket

[dry bane]

nah dont

but thank you 😄

[mild thunder]

Skill issue

Qfiend would’ve beaten them anyway

Not this… natbabes impersonator

[spice hornet]

Who the Fuck are you

Need Roxi to come in here and put oyu in your palce

[spice hornet]

4 games in a row of sub rogue comps

reg 3s

[mild thunder]

I made you

I gave you the no-bladestorm build

[spice hornet]

made me play the no-bladestorm build

[mild thunder]

[spice hornet]

got my first 2400 cuz of that

ggs

[mild thunder]

You’re welcome lil bro

[boreal stone]

[vapid tartan]

Wouldn’t use that macro in general

[spice hornet]

i wish mud was as helpful as you

[mild thunder]

real

switching my sub to mag

[stark reef]

Bit bored in D4 atm - hard to find good challenges. Seems to be perma stat-checks

Just doesn't feel as though my gameplay decisions make a difference. All about maximizing the talent tree and gear, gameplay kind of just autopilot

Lv. 54 atm on World Tier 3, no change from Tier 2

[elfin surge]

ITS BACK BOYS

[stark reef]

For real?

[spice hornet]

Yeah right

I wish

[copper hare]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[stark reef]

I haven't played in 3 weeks, how should I know

Don't even have a subscription rn

[near delta]

Don't fuck with me mud

[spice hornet]

I miss the snare suppression so much

From banner

Can’t even touch a good frost mage now

Mage in general really

[mild thunder]

yea the biggest letdown is the "difficulty" of the game

it'll be better with the season, but still

[mild thunder]

bro even made fake choice nodes under it

[stark reef]

That's my hope - loving the class design, the aesthetic of the game might be an all time favorite, even putting some effort into my cosmetics, but everythign is a breeze

Gameplay is fun, to, just haven't solved the lag - might be a PC out of date thing

First game where it struggles

[mild thunder]

the only thing that makes the game hard is im a rogue, so i die if i get hit by literally anything

0 defensives, 0 passive mitigation

[stark reef]

Yeah, barb def struggles more than necro

[mild thunder]

nah that's 100% on blizz imo... everyone i know, even the supercomputer nerds, get fucked by the lag and stutter and stuff

leaving a region or town is so fucked lmao

[stark reef]

Mine was a super computer 2years ago

When everyone lagged out on mythic fights I was chilling with 20ms

So I am kind of doubting it's me

[mild thunder]

yea for sure

[stark reef]

This part - porting to main hub I have 100ms+

[mild thunder]

you can tell just by what time you're online

if im on late at night or like past midnight, servers feel way better

they gotta fix it asap too because it makes the game feel genuinely shit

[stark reef]

Agreed - especially with your core mobility spell being a dash

I lagg on that dash half the time so it feels super choppy

And the animation itself is already "laggy" since it has a bit of a delay built in

So if you actually lag it's just

[mild thunder]

i also hate the mount control on pc

[stark reef]

But the art-team - fucking A+

[mild thunder]

tying your run speed to your cursor placement is so fucking retarded lmao

[stark reef]

Yeah, it's horrendous

[mild thunder]

agreed, this my rogue atm

[stark reef]

Yeah, game looks incredible

[mild thunder]

and yea class design is mostly really good

[stark reef]

That's the barb - makes wow look even worse

[mild thunder]

yep, that's my barb

looks so goddamn fucking cool

[stark reef]

So yeah, hoping for just good landscape difficulty - I know there is a lv. 100 boss that's allegedly difficult but I don't want to play 500 hours to "play the game"

[stark reef]

Large MMO with this art-style when?

[mild thunder]

if you can push high nightmare dungeons, it can be pretty fun, but it's not really worth it

[stark reef]

Just started, haven''t really figured it out and haven't watched anything on it yet - but yeah, that might be it

[mild thunder]

if they tune nightmare dungeons to be harder and more rewarding, they'll be an awesome piece of content

[stark reef]

Yeah, I did see something like that in the interview they did the other day

To have them give more XP

[mild thunder]

it's basically just m+

which is cool

scaling dungeons with affixes

[stark reef]

I like that - I want a part of the game where I feel like effort makes a difference besides spreadsheets and gear-rolls

[mild thunder]

yea 100%

i havent tried the pvp yet

[stark reef]

PvP allegedly just oneshots - haven't even looked at it

[mild thunder]

i hear barb just solos everyone

[stark reef]

Could be nice on paper but no shot that's ever balanced

There will always be "that build"

[mild thunder]

yea, and given blizz's track record, i doubt they'll ever tune for it lol

[stark reef]

Way worse than wow pvp

Also not tempted by hardcore - playing 200hrs to die to lag or because I played tired that one evening after a busy day

No thank you

[mild thunder]

yea i died because i was looking at my map for a split second

[stark reef]

yeah, stuff like that, not a fan

[mild thunder]

was not happy

[stark reef]

I could see it on a seasonal server

If it's like "reach X part of game for Y rewards for your main"

I'd def play that

[mild thunder]

yea it's a fun idea

might give it another crack

im also really undecided on what barb build i like

bleed does a lot of dmg, but feels like you need a lot of legendaries and stuff to make it really pop

and everything else feels kinda slow and awkward compared to rogue

[stark reef]

I play something around Upheavel but only lv. 35 and just doing stuff that looks fun

[woeful solstice]

i have a confession

barb is boring as shit in d4

yay 3 shouts, a generator and a spender

i have pretty much bis for rend/rupture build

[royal rose]

Kinda wanna swap to gnome

[mild thunder]

it's not as fun as rogue or sorc imo, but there are way more fun builds than just shout and build/spend

[woeful solstice]

hotas is fun but it pales in comparison to rend/ww barb

all the fun barb stuff is so bad compared to the 2 meta builds

[mild thunder]

ww

no wonder you find it boring

[woeful solstice]

oh im not playing ww

[mild thunder]

fuck meta

[woeful solstice]

im running fields of crimson

18 ranks of rupture total

[mild thunder]

rupture super boring imo

[woeful solstice]

yeah dude

its all boring

[mild thunder]

the positioning is so awkward, and the idea is lame

i hated sks

i hate rupture

[woeful solstice]

barb kit needs buffs

[mild thunder]

i just dont like being completely tied down in melee as barb

compared to rogue with infinite mobility and a range/melee mix

[woeful solstice]

ya i think im going rogue for s1

[mild thunder]

im defs going rogue

and then either barb or sorc

[stark reef]

What do people care about in seasons? What's that process like?

(What can I shit-talk people about if I decide to go sweaty on D4)

[woeful solstice]

seasonal challenges/affixes, unique rewards

idk what d4 is doing

but d3 had a gimmick every season

one was like all legendary effects 2x

makes the game kinda fresh

forces new builds

[stark reef]

Right now it all seems "Listen, I'm so much more efficient at clearing dungeons."

[woeful solstice]

yea it is

[stark reef]

[woeful solstice]

currently

but also dont middle curve it

its the same as wow

get more gear to...get more gear

in a different package

man fuck this im gonna go install minecraft

[stark reef]

Yeah but wow pvp is not that gear intense once everyone has the gear

I feel like D4 you can always get better gear

[obsidian loom]

It's pretty much one shots

And there's a ton of lag

[stark reef]

[obsidian loom]

Barb: three shouts and ult

Smash hota

Collect red things

Zugzug

Until a lvl 100 Chad comes and thundercocks

[mild thunder]

i feel like rogue should be pretty wacky

unless someone has unstoppable

then it'd suck

[obsidian loom]

Barb devours rogue

[mild thunder]

yea barb has multiple sources of unstoppable

[obsidian loom]

Sorc fucks barb because if they ice block and your shouts drop you're dead

I only see barb sorc and rogues

I'm just collecting red dust for armors and never pvping again

Hardcore pvp has to be the dumbest concept possible

[stark reef]

🤣

[night condor]

whats priority for tier slots? Chest,legs,gloves,shoulder?

Arms bleed build

[spice hornet]

arms honestly feels so bad in this meta

sub rogue comps

spriest/demo/ele/boomy cleaves

[pure widget]

are yall using 4 piece for fury then?

[boreal stone]

4 set isnt worth the stats that are lost. 2 set is fine tho

[urban skiff]

I don't think we can just cut it in half. The set bonuses aren't nerfed by 50% results. They're nerfed by 50% raw numbers.

So 10% crit becomes 5% crit
25% increased damage per stack becomes 12%
2 rage per stack becomes 1 rage per stack.

Without being good at math I'd say there's no way out set bonus is just worth 50% less dps.

Warrior should have a talent that recharges Charge after coming out of cc. Bake it into Enduring Rage

[lucid walrus]

rework shadow of the colossus to that honestly

for arms anyway

2-4sec cdr on charge when coming out of cc, maybe ICD of 1min or something

[mild thunder]

the game needs less mobility, not more

[lucid walrus]

disagree wholeheartedly

mobility for me, not for thee

[mild thunder]

trueee

[lucid walrus]

obviously warlocks should be squishy and immobile dude

they're neither rn but ykwim

[mild thunder]

but yea DF talent trees giving every class all the mobility, defensives and utility they previously had to pick between has done irrepairable dmg to the game

[unique fox]

Imagine the tears if they gave warriors more mobility lol

[urban skiff]

it needs less kiting forever

[unique fox]

The arena should shrink like warzone

[urban skiff]

oh i like that idea

[unique fox]

So then they just have to stand in the middle and fight into our CDs instead of running like pussies

[urban skiff]

or pillars should shrink

[unique fox]

No drinking, no lining, just man fighting

[mild thunder]

no

less gimmicks, not more

[urban skiff]

PVP is a gimmick

No reason it can't be a fun one

just 3 weeks until I roll up as auggie and just enable some warrior to fuck shit up and cruise to 3k rating

[unique fox]

Ya cant wait to see what game breaking shit emerges from the new augmentation spec

Hopefully ruins the game for 2 months like rets did

[mild thunder]

some stuff - pillars, platformed maps, walls etc. provide a good avenue of skill expression in pvp by adding extra potential for outplay
gimmicks that ristrict counterplay/are governed by chance - shrinking map, shifting platforms etc. restrict skill expression and unfairly hurt some specs

[lucid walrus]

personally i think we should just bring back ring of valor and remove any other map from rotation

speaking of, completely forgot that maps are on rotation

[mild thunder]

the DF map they added to arena is super well-designed, IF you ignore the platforms at the entrance

they're retarded as fuck because melee cant engage properly

[indigo barn]

Wouldn't mind if they added a small gap to that map in the middle wall like in hook point

[urban skiff]

bro I'm going to be on the giving end for once, so expect nerfs to be swift

[urban skiff]

You say restrict counterplay, i say added difficulty that requires additional skill to navigate and people who adapt well are going to continue to do so while people who can't or won't change are going to struggle. That's great game design

[mild thunder]

that makes sense if everyone is on an even footing heading into that kind of gamemode, but they arent

fact is, some classes and specs would adapt SIGNIFICANTLY better to it than others

rogues/ferals not being able to restealth, casters not being able to run and kite, not being able to use displacement cc etc.

there's a reason that feature is a thing in cod, and not in wow

[urban skiff]

I disagree. Casters would have less room to run and kite but casters control the battlefield in every way. They decide where the fight happens. Rogues can always stealth and druids don't really need stealth to do big dam

Side note, what do we do to catch up on missing splintered sparks? Apparently I missed last week's on my evoker

[spice hornet]

sub rogue everywhere

if its not some sub rogue comp its some cringe ass demo/spriest/ele/boomy wizard cleave

[urban skiff]

in 3s?

because 2s is infected with warriors and meta specs only at 1650

[lucid walrus]

dehumanizing seeing some roleplayer on my server hardstuck 1500 for all of SL hit 2.4 bc sub is now insane