pvp

[urban skiff]

lol

[river trench]

i havent been able to play much with work the last few weeks. so an actualy answer would be appreciated

[visual river]

per my statement above

[thick reef]

arms warrior experience

[river trench]

Ah ok. Did arms just get nerfed that bad or were furys buffs just good?

[urban skiff]

both

[gaunt notch]

fury is just so much easier to play as well

[urban skiff]

top warriors still rocking as arms

they would also rock as fury

[thick reef]

+casters are butt chugging budlights and blasting me

[river trench]

yeah if i could play casters at all i might have switched but been playing melee for 16 years, no point in switching now.

[thick reef]

I was thinking of rolling lock tbh

affi just got buffed

all 3 specs looking good now

[river trench]

ive been leveling a mage as just a side project when im bored, but still trying to decide on my main at this point.

[visual river]

boomkin can run and cast 🤷‍♂️

[river trench]

only came back cause i heard paladin was getting a rework, which didnt do what i was hoping, so been playing different classes and i think im finally settling in on warrior.

tried enhance, and it wasnt terrible, but definitely a learning curve, rogue just isnt my cup of tea anymore, ww wasnt bad either but just wasnt as fun as i had hoped. DH and warrior are the only 2 left that im really considering

[lucid walrus]

enh? terrible?

i hope you mean in terms of enjoyability

[river trench]

oh ooops, lemme fix that

just didnt vibe with it as much as i hoped. still gonna play it but as like, my main alt until i get the hang of it some more

[lucid walrus]

gotcha yeah

it's not popular even when it's good so it's kind of hard to take notes on

[river trench]

honestly it feels a lot like how survival hunter feels, there is just so much to keep track of to do well with it, that you end up asking yourself why do all that when you can do another class

i like survivals bare bones class design, but it feels like performance has to be a ton more focus for not nearly as much in return and mistakes are super punishing

[river trench]

when is a good time to use wrecking throw? i get shattering, but havent used wrecking before?

[opal acorn]

I use it on warlock shield

I don't really know the pvp mechanics and other warriors I've seen don't use it, but I always pick it against locks

[river trench]

i guess a better question would be are there any bubbles or anything that it doesnt work on?

[opal acorn]

It doesn't work against buble. U go shattering against buble

[river trench]

ive been using it on stuff like dk bubble, priest bubble

sorry, wrong choice in word there lol

[lucid walrus]

i don't think it does anything to AMS, could be mistaken

[opal acorn]

Ams is a magic shield dotn know if it does anything ye

[lucid walrus]

doesn't seem like there's any reason for those two to interact so i've never tried it

[river trench]

was looking on murlok and seemed it was pretty favored, but i guess im jjust not sure when to use it lol

[unique fox]

Is crushing blow not applying Battle Trance intentional?

[spice hornet]

It’s a bug from shadowlands

[unique fox]

They fixed it in Shadowlands though

[spice hornet]

Yeah it came back

[sharp meteor]

Shadowlands spaghetti or something.

I think CB is also 20% nerfed in PvP.

[sharp meteor]

Absorbs. The big ones are Warlock Dark Pact and Mistweaver cocoon. There's shield of vengeance on retribution and disc priest shields.

[subtle imp]

I feel like WT on cocoon is a bait for the healing it gives, that shield is so big

[dark sparrow]

yea but why would you? it's the same ilvl, has vers on it + the pve hands have mastery (bis) while the honor ones have crit (wis)

[gaunt notch]

i was asking if it was ok to use the pve hands for pvp, just felt weird is all.. maybe there was some weird hidden stat or something iunno

[vapid tartan]

Only thing that’s absolutely required is pvp trinket set really, everything else is ilvl

[vagrant thistle]

why tf are queue times 30+ minutes long??

[dark sparrow]

because no healers can be bothered to play shuffle lmao

[inner steppe]

Healers work so hard to go 3-3 and get no rating.

[visual river]

damn thats annoying i cant recraft to remove embelishment without using another spark

[limber relic]

Favoured cuz locks everywhere

[prime fern]

What is recommended to craft with the sparks on a character full honor gear?

For Fury

[wary heart]

boots first, anything second cause theyre all bad

[prime fern]

Woudn't weapon be huge so no need to spend conquest on 2 ?

[wary heart]

?

you asked to craft

you want embellishments

dont craft a weapon

spending a spark on a weapon is not good value

[prime fern]

2x shadowflame then right?

[wanton siren]

lads, is there a haste minimum we want or is it just when we cant get mastery?

the people on murlok put haste/vers on the crafted helmet

[wary heart]

use conq for weapon

enchant with shadowflame

im currently using one, roxi uses two

mastery is straight damage increase similar to versa

no cap like haste used to have

[wanton siren]

So jut pump as much mast as possible right?

Right now I have 15% haste base and 42% with 4 stacks of frenzy

[wary heart]

i havent looked carefully but prio 4p over mastery

4p fury is decent

[visual river]

sitting at 46% mastery and 29% vers in world, should be about 52% mastery 33% vers in rated. 3 tier peices right now

fill up your off pieces with 447 scalewarden gear, notably offhand wep, bracer, back, belt

crafted titanic ring gives 631mastery and vers, should scale to about 700 in rated. it also gives a socket for bonus diamond about 60str+60mastery

the only piece of gear you cant get mastery in will be a couple of the tier pieces and your belt , but you can craft it to include mastery with your 4th or 5th spark

[agile aspen]

lol farie swarm?

[stable drift]

Do you ever use rend if u spec in tunderclap / blood and thunder

[prime fern]

what enchants do you guys run on weapons?

[opal acorn]

i wanna cry. terrible off set non tier set gear, wrong neck and boots on both my chars 😦

[limber relic]

No

[near delta]

Didn't they fix that in like season 4 and nerf battle trance to compensate for it lmao

[spice hornet]

They did

Battle trance just underwhelming sometimes tbh

[near delta]

Ah yeah that makes sense

[prime fern]

How do shadowflame patches embelishment fair in PvP ?

[sharp meteor]

Trance feels kind of horrific if you ever have to tab.

[sharp meteor]

Decent/good, I think? mastery above 90% gets knocked off pretty easily.

[stark reef]

That’s not correct - as long as you have high uptime trance is good

It feels horrific if your uptime is bad but as long as you’re hitting something trance is extremely strong

Obviously best if you can hit one target

[sharp meteor]

Takes too long to activate with annihilator

[prime fern]

So I made some confusing and spent the spark on shadowflamed boots instead of infurious

[sharp meteor]

That's fine.

[stark reef]

I look through all my logs, only time trance falls off noticeably is if I have uptime

Otherwise it’s always good

[prime fern]

Any advice on what to craft next before making another mistake

[sharp meteor]

Helmet is probably the big one.

[stark reef]

I made the haste pants, standing by that being current bis

[sharp meteor]

Keep in mind you can't put an embellishment on the engi goggles if you go for that.

[stark reef]

But that’s just my opinion

[sharp meteor]

The legs look good into pet teams

[prime fern]

with linen?

[sharp meteor]

They're already embellished

[stark reef]

Frostfire legguards of preparation but again. That’s just my opinion, there are plenty people better than me that made other items

I personally just think they slept on the pants and will realize that eventually but if you already wasted a spake maybe make a more conservative choice

[prime fern]

Well I have shadowflame patch boots scaled to 450

[stark reef]

[prime fern]

Problably will have to play with them untill later in the season

[stark reef]

Ok, yeah, your call, can only tell you what I did

[prime fern]

I created a 2nd warrior just for pvp this season to be able to use sparks for PvP just to fuck it up

feels bad

[stark reef]

It’s not the end of the world

Just have to wait a few weeks to optimize

[prime fern]

Yeah exactly

[stark reef]

But season will be long

[prime fern]

Skill > gear anyway

But still

[elfin surge]

[boreal stone]

I got 4 set last night

havnt actually got an arena que to test it

but i crit for 250k on the pvp dummy

and the tooltip shows it nerfed, so idk if thats accurate or not

[spice hornet]

Mud get back on roblox

[sharp meteor]

PvP dummy bad for testing stuff.

[elfin surge]

i once hit a 10.5 million mortal strike on a critter

arms is back

[boreal stone]

lmfao

bloodbath gonna hit harder than mortal strike LOL

fuckign awful game

[sharp meteor]

Hits for 100k if they're low hp.

[hot solstice]

did they mentioned change to spark of life quest?

its 50 instead of 100 now

[sharp meteor]

Because it's on the forbidden reach.

[unique fox]

Dont worry blizz will nerf bloodbath like theyve nerfed every other warrior ability this exp pack

[urban skiff]

I got conq legs in vault this week, have tier gloves + shoulders, it should be safe for me to use free tier token on chest now, right?

[vapid tartan]

Yup

Just double check you get the pvp version

[urban skiff]

shame conq legs are haste, i'll still put 'em on

So this week I got conq legs, tier chest, crafted vers mastery ring, conq mastery ring, strife belt

that's some nice ilvl upg right there

[wary heart]

the real winner will be the crafted pvp ring with mast

[urban skiff]

you can have both

[wary heart]

but until we fill slots with conq its better to use legs/helm

its not embellished?

[urban skiff]

no

[wary heart]

neat

i might use that for third spark then

[urban skiff]

there's even two different crafted rings

my third spark is going ring

[wary heart]

problem is conq

[urban skiff]

not for me

[wary heart]

[shy aurora]

I crafted ring with mastery lmao 450

[urban skiff]

I'll be at 1200 conq at cap this week. That's two rings.

[wary heart]

my vaults have been doody

2 weeks we get catalyst so im hoping to get one tier rng and ill convert the other

[urban skiff]

how much tier do you have so far?

on a side note; I'm enjoying fury and devoker so far, think i'll have fun on a DH?

[wary heart]

2p

got lucky with chest, token'ed the shoulders

[grand scaffold]

you guys fr playing with boomies this bad?

[wary heart]

...ndogo?

is that you

@elfin surge

[grand scaffold]

👋

[wary heart]

bro boomies are fucking horrendous

[grand scaffold]

how are you man

i heard

havent played but i hear its awful

[wary heart]

its like early SL convoke

[grand scaffold]

lmfao

i heard destro is like bm hunter now

never casts

decimates

true

?

[wary heart]

destro has some bufffed cbs

that just roll like miliseconds

crit for 200k

[grand scaffold]

is that high or low now

[wary heart]

pretty high

600k hp

[grand scaffold]

whats health pool

0_0

[wary heart]

600k

[grand scaffold]

so

1/3 of hp

[wary heart]

p much

[grand scaffold]

insta cast!!!!!

[wary heart]

nah

its a roll cast but its super fast

[grand scaffold]

is it like that s4 sl tier set thing?

cast really fast

uninteruptable

[wary heart]

i hit 1800 and left s4

[grand scaffold]

lmfao

i quit warrior in s3 and s4 and mained lock

😂

[wary heart]

disgusting animal

[grand scaffold]

hahahahaha

i played demo

[wary heart]

destro is busted rn

[grand scaffold]

dont worry

[wary heart]

demo is less so but still tough

[elfin surge]

[wary heart]

ndogo's back mud

arent you happy

he's maining lock now!

[elfin surge]

no.

[grand scaffold]

hahahahahahahahahahahah

happy to see you too mud

[wary heart]

if you want free duelist later in the season, resub in like 2 months

[grand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ahaha-no-haha-selfie-funny-gif-13893890

[grand scaffold]

lol

[wary heart]

they're butchering demo tho

[grand scaffold]

thats all good

[wary heart]

destro got a...buff

[grand scaffold]

if i come back still gonna play warrior

[wary heart]

in 10.1.5

warriors meh tier

its fine i guess

[grand scaffold]

yeah but i played fury last season

😂

[wary heart]

that's par for the course

[grand scaffold]

hahahaha

i thought arms is also nutty this season

[gray umbra]

It's good still just been nerfed quite a bit

If I'm playing 1x shadowflame patch on fury, would it be beneficial to run shadowflame wreathe on mh/sophic on offhand compared to the 2x sophic im running now? Or do you really gotta go 2x shadowflame wreathe to make it worthwhile?

[wheat jay]

@grand scaffold are you going to push legend again?

[grand scaffold]

if i decide to play then yes

atm im not playing

:/

[wheat jay]

Sadge

[wary heart]

i feel like legend is going to be harder than glad this season

vs last where glad was like 5 people

[stark reef]

I'd like to answer but we're playing a different game. Sorry mate.

[gray umbra]

LOL

That was good I'll admit

I giggled irl

[muted surge]

@grand scaffold how’s your workout going tho

[stark reef]

It's 2x Shadowflame Wreathe for fury

Enchant is extremely strong

[grand scaffold]

havent been doing too much got a lot of exams atm

over summer gonna get pumped tho

[stark reef]

Was able to match my squat PR yesterday after 2 weeks of mild injury - today I might just stay in the chair

[muted surge]

That’s why I don’t squat :(

[stark reef]

It's a mixed bag - if yu nail it legs feel very strong but have to respect the weight

I squat 2-3x/week since months now, best thing i've done for my legs so far

But I never max out - always 5x5 ATG

[muted surge]

Yea, just feels like either I don’t feel anything

Or I can’t walk

Maybe I just do it wrong

[stark reef]

Form is Nr. 1

[urban skiff]

ATG is for people who don't compete

[stark reef]

Ofc

I don't compete

[muted surge]

Atg ?

[urban skiff]

I fully respect people who choose ATG. I just feel like it's worth remembering that you don't get bonus points for passing the point of success

[stark reef]

Ass to Grass

[muted surge]

Ah

[stark reef]

In competition you just need to hit parallel

Can go much heavier that way

[urban skiff]

It's like the lifter's version of ATM

[stark reef]

[urban skiff]

sinful and fun

[stark reef]

I am working on muscle ups, very difficult but once I have those down and ATG squats I can finally be THAT GUY at the local gym

[vapid tartan]

Damn I need to start working out

[urban skiff]

I'm at a super weird point where I can probably do muscle ups but I worry too much about tipping over my rack

[muted surge]

It increases your dps

[stark reef]

“They don’t know I squat ATG and can do muscle ups.”

[vapid tartan]

yeah in physics class today I couldn’t reset this lever thing

[stark reef]

🤣

[vapid tartan]

Kinda sadge

[urban skiff]

The ultimate "THAT GUY" moment at the gym is when you zercher squat other people's DL max

[muted surge]

Can you do 1 arm pull ups tho

[urban skiff]

nobody can

[muted surge]

🦃

[stark reef]

I've seen some people but they're all 160lbs

[urban skiff]

Only strung out beanstalks who neglect legs to do tiktoks

[stark reef]

AMEN!

[urban skiff]

never skip tiktok day

[vapid tartan]

You just described me :/

Minus tik tok

and muscles

[stark reef]

Nah, no joke, I have a lot of respect for calisthenics - some real freaks of nature out there and it builds a killer physique

[urban skiff]

look up tom_haviland on instagram. He's my fucking hero

[urban skiff]

100% same

[urban skiff]

You're still worthy of love, king

[vapid tartan]

[muted surge]

That guy looks natural

[vapid tartan]

Not queueing shuffle till I have abs bois

[urban skiff]

He doesn't pretend to be natural.

[vapid tartan]

I will be a proper warr

[stark reef]

Yeah, that guy is in insane condition - I always enjoy the content these dudes put out but never intend to train like that. Maybe once it's time to hop on the sauce and shave bald

[muted surge]

Oh, one of the few

[vapid tartan]

U going trt?

doesn’t that shit shrink ur balls

[urban skiff]

didn't shrink mine

[muted surge]

It’s a face lift for your balls. Good when you get older :D

[stark reef]

Planning to in my late 40s, currently 30, got another 15years+ natty in the tank imo

[vapid tartan]

damn I’m 20 think I’m good for a while

lul

[stark reef]

Yeah, never ever touch gear when your hormones are at their natural peak, the earlier you use the more you need

[urban skiff]

dude 20 is like being on steroids with literally no drawbacks. Enjoy your youth

[vapid tartan]

yeah man it’s pretty fire

[stark reef]

Tbh, if I never need gear and can just be one of those 60 year olds that can still do pull-ups, that's the dream

[vapid tartan]

I’m kinda scared to get old

My prof was literally asleep in class

kinda fire job tho take a nap and get paid

[urban skiff]

we're all children in ever aging bodies hurtling towards oblivion

[stark reef]

This is my go-to leg-day motivation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ3GHXwOYiU&t=407s&ab_channel=SQUATSENPAI【山本俊樹】

[obsidian loom]

36 reporting in: it's fine so far

[teal hedge]

Been working out and ouch oof ouch my body

[vapid tartan]

Do y’all have kids

[obsidian loom]

About to in August

[vapid tartan]

nice

[stark reef]

Nah and no plans to

[urban skiff]

Two

On a good day I have an hour home with them before they go to bed

Work is death

[vapid tartan]

Same I think they’re cool from like 0-11 and 17+ but like I don’t wanna deal with a 14yr old lul

respect to the ppl that do tho

Balancing shit must be tough

[stark reef]

Oh yeah, absolutely - it's all about the setting

[obsidian loom]

I don't think it'll be that bad tbh

[stark reef]

If the setting is right it's the dream

[vapid tartan]

Wait till they get tik tok

[obsidian loom]

I was raised with no money and a pretty chill dad when I did stupid shit

TikTok will be banned

[vapid tartan]

Good parenting

[obsidian loom]

I'll harden the router

[urban skiff]

Unfortunately you'll be facing a choice between allowing stupid bullshit like tiktok or you're actively creating a social outcast.

[vapid tartan]

I think it’s timing

[urban skiff]

parenting is making dumb choices and allowing chinese spyware to make sure your kids stay social

[obsidian loom]

Nah that shit isn't as important as people make it out to be

I have a colleague who's Mormon and banned it

No cell till 16

With girls

They turned out phenomenal

[urban skiff]

not being on tiktok right now means a teenager will literally not get invited to anything

[vapid tartan]

Like the kids who’ve been on social media since 12 they’re kinda fucked but like I feel if you teach like decent skills with it first it’s fine

Like don’t be on the phone at the table type stuff

[obsidian loom]

Overstated from what I've seen, they'll be fine

Stay strong

Plus I got a decade so I'm sure it'll be some new shit

[urban skiff]

My 4 year old is billingual, forcing me and the wife to relearn german just so we can keep talking shit behind her back.

then my kid started counting in german and now we're scrambling to pick up a fourth language

[vapid tartan]

[obsidian loom]

Meirl

I knew a bit of Hungarian

But not conversational, just enough to talk to my grandma

[urban skiff]

look at that hp

[vapid tartan]

My water polo coaches used to scream in assorted Eastern European languages lul

Never understood what they were saying but it was more effective than English for some reason

Bois so it seems more efficient rn to spend conq on a trophy every time you have a free spark and craft a 450?

Like outside tier slots

[teal hedge]

Fellas

Whilst on the topic of being physical

My delts have been aching since sunday

It is now wednesday

They're nopt constantly aching but they sting then I press on them.

[stark reef]

Sounds like you're sore but you're also very focused on the weight you move as a new lifter which is a sure way to snap city.

[urban skiff]

yep

[obsidian loom]

I'm going ring this week I think

[urban skiff]

same

[tawny brook]

English is the only language that matters

[teal hedge]

Snap city? As in pulling muscles or breaking discs?

[stark reef]

[stark reef]

Whenever you feel like it's time for another PR attempt on your 2nd month in the gym please watch this video carefully:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLWn5UsdjA&t=48s&ab_channel=FailArmy

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I have a buddy to watch my back etc and whenever I feel pain I drop the weights, but it turns out the fucker has been a yes-man

I squated and I felt my spine being a little fucky, pain fucky, so I stood up and dropped the set.

And the guy didn't even tell me about my spine.

[urban skiff]

remember the angle of your spine during squat or deadlift isn't what gives injuries

it's unintended movement during the exercise that gives injuries

[teal hedge]

It needs to be straight, right?

[urban skiff]

Straight, bent, doesn't matter. What matters is you're so tight it doesn't move at all.

as long as it's tight your muscles are guarding your spine

[teal hedge]

Yeah, that's also a thing

I barely have any core strength, I think.

Which might be why I get constant back aches (overall, I can just go on a walk and my spine feels like it's burning)

[urban skiff]

Working your back and core is a cheatcode to getting stronk in squat and deadlift

taking it slow and building your foundation is the other cheat code

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I just don't know how to work my core

And yeah, I have been sort of scouting my foundation which is expedantly high?

Big guy at 6'4 and 160 kgs

~350 something pounds

[urban skiff]

bodyweight or squat?

[teal hedge]

That's my bodyweight

I could sorta do five front-squats with 40 kgs (85 pounds)

[urban skiff]

It's not unthinkable the high weight is doing a number on your spine.

[teal hedge]

Yeah

I mean, my form has been fine when checked out by others, but iunno

Very much scared of fucking my back

And I feel that 220 pounds isn't that heavy?

(We're talking deadlifts)

[urban skiff]

ngl, it's what my wife lifted 9 months into pregnancy

[teal hedge]

Exactly

[urban skiff]

but you have to remember something

your 220 pound feels the same as my 440 pound deadlift

we're fighting the same demons

[teal hedge]

That's fair

[unique fox]

Take a video of your lifts and post them here or DM me, I'm a personal trainer IRL

[teal hedge]

But still, I am so scared of hurting my spine

I've had spine pains since I was like 14 😎

[urban skiff]

And your 220 lbs is just as worthy of respect as your 440 lbs (once you get there)

[teal hedge]

I have been checked for scoliosis since I was born, basically, but the tests stoppped when I hit 18

[urban skiff]

what do the doctors say about your spine now?

[teal hedge]

A polish lady poked my spine and said "Hmm, no scoliosis"

Other than that, I'm tall and I've lived almost completely sedentarily

[unique fox]

What do you mean by 'spine pains' specifically?

Like nerve pain? Sciatica?

[teal hedge]

Burning pains and aches in lower back

Don't think it's nerve pain, it's mostly just a biproduct of my horrible posture?

[unique fox]

Could be, sitting is pretty much the worst thing you can do for your body long term

[teal hedge]

Working out improves my posture and forces me to stand straight, which might be the cause of my back pain?

Like, when I run / powerwalk my back starts burning

[urban skiff]

You run at 160kg?

[unique fox]

Weak glutes can often cause back pain and if you've been sedentary your whole life their definitely weak

[teal hedge]

Yeah

I run

Not for very long, but I could keep a 12 km/h going for a little over a minute

Managed 1 km under 10 minutes total

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I've been looking into glutes and hips a bit for support

[urban skiff]

50 conq until i can buy second ring

[unique fox]

What are you doing for glutes, hips, and core training?

[teal hedge]

Squats only

Don't really know how to work my core

[unique fox]

There's lots of options. Look up the P90x Ab Ripper X routine, pretty good and no equipment required. Even if you can't do all the movements pick your favorites and do them consistently.

Glutes and hips, I would recommend getting a hip circle (the bands that go around your knees) since this helps activate the smaller glute muscles that get neglected by a lot of people. Use it to do side to side crab walks, the laying down clam shell things, and hip thrusts.

I also have been fucked by back pain a lot of my life.

[teal hedge]

That's unfortunate

I think I've gotten it from being tall and having the worst possible back genes achievable

[orchid forum]

For finding your core, i suggest trying very low weight farmers walk, holding a dumbbell in only one hand at a time, bracing as if someone were to punch you in the gut while trying to keep your body in a straight and neutral position, not tilting to any side

[teal hedge]

Mother has scoliosis, arthtritis and a slipped disc

[teal hedge]

I have been bracing when doing overhead stuff

[orchid forum]

That good! And how good is your bracing when doing squats or deadlifts?

[teal hedge]

I mean, not very good?

I mostly just brace my back, but I cannot brace my core

Overall, I'm not very good at keeping my body flexed

Same goes with the bench press, I cannot pull my shoulders back with my lats consistantly.

[urban skiff]

alan thrall on youtube has a lot of really great videos on how to brace. You shouldn't feel like you're pulling your bellybutton in

[teal hedge]

It's more like taking a shit

[iron fractal]

wtf, 170 k Final verdict... and then another 120 k final verdict.

I got 40% versatility.

[teal hedge]

Lowest damage from a ret

@orchid forum Svensk?

[iron fractal]

So much fun to get hit by 170k when sitting in immune bubbles.

[orchid forum]

Japp

[teal hedge]

Finnemang

[orchid forum]

Kanske lite lättare att hjälpa på Svenska

[teal hedge]

Äsch päsch, man är flytande i båda 😎

[orchid forum]

Jaaa det är sant, men skriva brukar gå snabbare på svenska ändå tror jag

[teal hedge]

Färre ord, kortare meningar

[orchid forum]

Men du har alltså problem med att lyckas aktivera bålen när du tränar?

[urban skiff]

what's going on here? is it only vers going up when we pvp or is the distribution different for honor and conq gear?

[teal hedge]

Precis

Har en stor avslappnad magge i vägen

[urban skiff]

big yikes, that's a lot of mastery lost

[teal hedge]

Vers is still the main stat we're going for, though, right?

[urban skiff]

nah

I mean yeah we need some

but it takes 200 vers rating to increase damage by 1% while it takes 125 mastery rating to do the same (during enrage)

[dark sparrow]

Yea the stat distribution on conq pieces like neck/rings is kinda whack

[urban skiff]

we get some mitigation as well obviously but i'm not sure I'm a fan of trading that much mastery for vers.

I think it's to offset how tier pieces are vers-free

waiting for guildie to craft my ring and i'll equip both mastery rings at once

[teal hedge]

It's an arms-warriors world

fr

[urban skiff]

i'll live tbh

Arms isn't iconic. Arms is just ret / UHDK without the magic

fury is the only class and spec in the game that wields two two-handers

that's iconic

[fast meteor]

But Arms execute is the only one that when lands literally feels like u chop his head with them 120k crit

[urban skiff]

Wait for 4set

[fast meteor]

I love fury game play don't get me wrong but it's execute its lacking compared to arms

[rare fable]

fury BT's will be pumping with the 4 piece at around 9 stacks

270k crits

[urban skiff]

Right up until warlocks lose their shit and we get nerfed

[rare fable]

true

[fast meteor]

I have a 4p for pvm and I notice that it falls relatively fast for somereason

[woeful solstice]

yeah imo BT with 4pc is the new SKS

its a lot of damage, on demand

[teal hedge]

Yeah, arms feels so much meatier

[stark reef]

Just went 0/6 vs. Arcane Mage/Boomy/Ret - am I trolling or is this actually aids to play as war?

I literally cannot connect to anything

I guess I should have won with boomkin vs. ret/arcane

Not focused

Was also that Nokhud Proving Groudns map, which is probably my least favorite with Baldes-edge

Always everything LOS all the time

Can never close in on a kill without healer being somewhere nowhere

[fresh valve]

arms is just an execute spec in pve

thats about it

and unholy does it way better

[urban skiff]

gearing going pretty well

14 days until 4set, will also have neck by then and be able to craft masteryvers belt

[undone pumice]

What is bro wearing

[fresh valve]

🤓

[urban skiff]

GEAR

[undone pumice]

S tier name tho

[stable drift]

Are u guys still playing with skullspliter

[urban skiff]

Fury 4 lyfe

[runic wharf]

he rockin those weighted goku boots

[stark reef]

Boys, I have to record a 15min workout class for an audition. On a scale of 1-10, how much do I attempt and channel the Bloatlord?

https://youtu.be/PlaBlizeV7o

[iron fractal]

There's no gem that gives 70 mastery and 33 versatility?

[stark reef]

There is

Google all DF gems, scroll down

[iron fractal]

There it is, far down on the AH.

70 mastery and 33 haste or 70 mastery and 33 versatility?

[stark reef]

I’d take vers

[iron fractal]

Got it.

[iron fractal]

So I got the haste pants now, can they only proc once in a solo shuffle?

[stark reef]

Once per target per round

So you have 3 guaranteed procs + procs for each pet you hit - you can track the buff in details under “Auras” - Prepared Time

A = Applications
R = Refreshes

[iron fractal]

Oh.. isnt that a bit underwhelming?

[stark reef]

Why would it be underwhelming?

[iron fractal]

Since it only lasts 10 seconds.

And only works once during a round.

[stark reef]

The floor is a total of 1k haste either spread out or all at once for 10sec and the ceiling is extremely high into anything pets which is most of the meta

Eli, enhc, mage, any lock, sp, ww monk, unholy - tons of pets

I’ve had rounds with 1:30min uptime and over 18 individual applications

[iron fractal]

Whirlwind to get those procs or will I get it from sidearm, shockwave?

[stark reef]

Don’t play for it, just play the game - sidearm, shockwave, odyns, roar

You’ll hit everything that there is anyways

Only time where I would advice against this is in 2s

There only for very specific comps

Everywhere else just send

[iron fractal]

Never play 2's, or arena actually.

Only solo shuffle, bg's and world pvp.

[stark reef]

Yeah, track the buff but you'll have some nice games with those pants

[vast nexus]

got a quick question

is it worth saving up conquest for the weapon if I've already got ashkandur?

[quasi zephyr]

Yeah that wep is nerfed 60% in PvP

[vast nexus]

oh shit

well that's good to know LMAO

[mossy summit]

Is bloodthirst only used with regen in the rb build? (if u don't have 4set)

[teal hedge]

@unique fox Gonna have a real early push-workout tomorrow yet my delts are sore, any headers?

@stark reef You too

Googling the issue doesn't help, website just keeps telling me I'm FUCKED and that I have ULTRA SHOULDER DEATH DISEASE

[stark reef]

It's not rocket science mate. Don't injure yourself, if it feels like it's anything other than soreness and gets worse when you put stress on it don't push it.

[teal hedge]

That's fair

[stark reef]

Work around it, try to move it for some blood flow to accelerate healing, respect the signals your body gives you.

[teal hedge]

Just feels weird, I poke my delts and they sting a bit, almost like poking a zit or something

Oh well, you're right, might as well go low weight high reps tomorrow

[iron fractal]

Is there a way to make a macro that actives defensive stance, but doesnt deactivate it if you press it again?

[teal hedge]

Just bind defensive stance at that point?

[stark reef]

And here is another tip as a new lifter - don't post the weights you lift in random discords. Nobody cares. Safety first, don't ego lift to impress people you never met.

[teal hedge]

So true bestie

[iron fractal]

I got a keybind on defensive stance, but I made a macro to pop it if I need Enraged Regen too.

[teal hedge]

But that is sort of an issue, I want to grow stronger but I hardly know my limits

[stark reef]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance;!Berserker Stance

[stark reef]

If you want to get serious about your strength hire a certified coach.

[teal hedge]

Oy vey

[iron fractal]

Does that one switch from Berserker to defensive?

[stark reef]

Yes, it's a 1 button stance macro

You can spam it, it won't cancel the current stance

You should always be in a stance so you press it to swap between them.

Make a WA with a fat symbol to tell you which stance you're in

[muted surge]

But will you respect me if I don’t tell you that my pr is 400

[stark reef]

[muted surge]

Ngl you are just dumb imo. I can remember you saying „I lifted 100 after not working out for 2 years, and now my arms hurt“

[stark reef]

I’d honestly love a #lift-review channel

[muted surge]

You keep doing the same shit

[stark reef]

With proper video submissions

[muted surge]

Prob gets more used than the pvp review channel

[teal hedge]

I mean, I jumped into it a bit too fast but I also need to grow stronger?

[teal hedge]

Last time I hit the gym I hardly grew stronger regardless of the time I invested.

[muted surge]

Bcs you prob don’t know what you do

[stark reef]

And how much time was that?

[muted surge]

And everytime you injur yourself it sets you back a ton

[teal hedge]

And when do I know if the pain is good or bad?

[muted surge]

If you don’t cripple yourself it’s good

If you have issues it’s bad

Just listen to your body

[teal hedge]

That's true, I've no real regiment and sometimes my form is poor

[muted surge]

See

If you increase the weight

With a shit form

You just hurt yourself

[teal hedge]

But even so, as soon as I feel my form become poorer I decrease my weights

[muted surge]

And bad form = bad progress

How much time did you invest the first time

[teal hedge]

And it's hard to determine if my form is poor or not, I've sent several videos to friends that have worked out longer and the only thing they said about my deadlift was that I needed to flex my back a little more.

[teal hedge]

3 months, give or take.

[muted surge]

and you didn’t get stronger ?

[stark reef]

Bruh

[muted surge]

Your first bench was prob bar alone

[shy aurora]

Fungus: user is suspected to be part of a online terrorist org. What a joke eh?

[stark reef]

3 months as a natural lifter won't make a dent.

[muted surge]

Im just gonna report him for the luls

If enough do it he prob gets banned

[stark reef]

If that's the time you are willing to invest before you doubt your progress don't even start. Safe yourself the headache.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDxdArBBmIc&t=66s&ab_channel=Malinice

[muted surge]

That’s actually a good point.
If you want faster progress just use steroids

All problems solved

[stark reef]

Yeah, just use tren, no need to lift.

[teal hedge]

First bench was 40 kg

[shy aurora]

What do you guys think about kettlebell for strenght?

[muted surge]

Then you were 35kg stronger than me

[shy aurora]

Annyone tried it?

[teal hedge]

Yeah, that's the part I'm being all stupid about

[muted surge]

But how many reps tho

[teal hedge]

You have to have some strength in order to not collapse under your own weight if you weigh 350 lbs

10 reps at 40 was my first bench when I started

And I can do 5 reps at 55

[muted surge]

Oh you are obese af

Well then idk

[teal hedge]

I mean, I am 6'4 so it's not american-level

But nonetheless doc told me I got about 10 years before problems start coming up

And lifting is the silliest of sports

[frank violet]

I love kettlebell. Works multiple muscles, your core, cardio, etc. It's a great all-around workout.

I just need to motivate myself to do it regularly

[stark reef]

Right, so in this case I would seriously consider hiring a personal trainer that knows how to help someone become more athletic without risking injury because at 350lbs your bodyweight alone is a lot for your joints so I'd focus on becoming generally more athletic and cardiovascular health before anything else.

[muted surge]

And prob don’t listen to advise here, as people don’t expect that weight

[stark reef]

^This

[teal hedge]

That's true

Like, with squats and the likes I have been taking it pretty easy

And I use weights instead of y'know, my own bodyweight because I cannot carry it :P

[stark reef]

I would seriously urge you to not do unsupervised compound lifts as a novice at 350lbs bodywweight

[shell river]

Ive been there, well heavier. 400 at 6’4. Stay away from free weights as much as possible till a lower weight, many risks at such a high weight

[teal hedge]

I have been asking my friend to spot me, but as I said he's been a yes-man

Allowing me to break form

And I seriously cannot separate the good from the bad pain

[stark reef]

Work with a professional trainer - find someone that is genuine, motivating and has good knowledge working with heavier clients.

Address the situation through diet, training and overall lifestyle changes rather than just 1 of them.

Make sure you check in with this trainer frequently and have him monitor your progress.

[iron fractal]

Can you only wear two embellished items at same time?

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I used to work out with a more experienced guy, but his friends were sorta icky and the gym-seshes became two hours.

[stark reef]

About every gym has personal trainers that work with clients in 1 on 1 sessions.

That's what I am recommending. No gym bros asking you to "man up and keep pushing."

[teal hedge]

Also had a buddy check my form, and he works at the gym I work out at

And he said it was fine???

Shit's so confusing

But you're right, I gotta fix some stuff before I hit heavier weights in the gym.

[runic wharf]

oh good affliction gettin buffs so we can get screwed by all 3 specs

[iron fractal]

Got make -all- casters op, not just certain speccs.

[runic wharf]

i think frost mage is too

[river walrus]

They should just freaking buff every bottom tier spec instead of nerfing

Let everyone be op

[iron fractal]

Wonder how much that extra haste does in combat..

Hard to compare raw damage compared to the shadowpatch helmet

[stark reef]

I feel suqishier today...

Anything changed on Tuesday other than lock buffs?

[visual river]

lost 80 rating so far this week idk wtf is going on

gained 60 lost 80 lol

[pure widget]

tier leggings worth using for stats over blue vers maqstery ones for fury?

figured not since crit but aye

[visual river]

for fury you'd want to skip tier helm

[pure widget]

so i alread hvae 2 piece but the legs would make it 3 piece so i dont need them on right now, it would just be for stats

[visual river]

yep get them, i have them also as my 3rd pc right now

[stark reef]

I'm playing like shit but yeah, definitely feels off. Might just be me though, head not in the game

[iron fractal]

3-3 ... 0,0 rating.

[visual river]

Yea it happens

you're at the sticking point where you must win 4-2

[iron fractal]

How often does the shadowflame helmet proc?

[visual river]

1-3%

in PVE and PVP

tempted to change to the mastery when over 90% hp tbh its a tough choice

its like 3% mastery when at full hp

[iron fractal]

I got the haste pants.

[tawny brook]

I was my highest rating this season week 1 and now just hover in the same range. I couldn’t get enough arena season 1 but Im actually considering a diablo break

[visual river]

YEP fuck this week has been bad, taking a break now

lost 120 rating ugh

[iron fractal]

What's the difference using 1 or 2 shadowflame enchants on your weapons?

More chance for it to proc?

[visual river]

this is 2 shadowflames. 1 is about 3% tops, 2 is avg 5-10% random depends how many tagets you hit

[iron fractal]

Looks like that can be quite good, using x2 sophic devotion atm.

[iron fractal]

So you run x2 shadowflame yourself?

[visual river]

yep

[iron fractal]

How does it feel?

[visual river]

well i mean look at the chart lol

[iron fractal]

Only 22 k gold..

[visual river]

it does better when you run it with odyns fury, onslaught will do 5-8%. OF will do 8-10

i got them when they were 50ks

[iron fractal]

Using onslaught atm, it feels better for me.

[visual river]

its more pressure, the 45s between odyns doesnt feel good when you start going onslaught

[shell river]

Anni build ftw

[iron fractal]

Ye that's the issue I had. I could fit in 3-4 onslaught during one Odyns fury.

Also onslaught is a 20% chance for free Recklessness.

[visual river]

it also extends enrage

[shell river]

I usually play onslaught, but idk, odyns feels clean too

Less buttons ftw tho kappa

[iron fractal]

Ye, 2 extra seconds helps.

And it insta-triggers Enraged.

So perfect to use before a burst.

[visual river]

so i had 60% enrage uptime that SS

[shell river]

Yuh

Ngl, i hate ss rn as fury, not that its bad but caster lobbies are depressing

[iron fractal]

I know you can't sim pvp but raidbots says its a 2,3% damage increase.

Now to find the Incanation table.

[shell river]

Oh yea, what do you have to do for the new enchant

Was kinda confused

Ngl

[visual river]

i had a good start to the week but last 24hrs its been quite bad.. doing 2-4 and then just then 1-5 ugh

break time, rbgs

i was tossing up whether to stop ss altogehter this week so i dont dip 1800, end up dipping even harder fuck

[shell river]

I went 1-5 and 2-4…but tbf they were my first ever arena games as warrior

[visual river]

thats ok, still got some ways to go for MMR calibration

[iron fractal]

Finding this incanation table is being a real bitch atm

[visual river]

azura map is large harder to find, last week was easy

[shell river]

Damn, i wasnt expecting a nice response, so many toxic wow players ruined my head man😭

[iron fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/love-gif-25904467

[shell river]

Warriors the real chads

[iron fractal]

You should have seen my rage face when I went 0-6 against a full warlock/boomkin solo

I spend the entire game slowly waddling back and forth.

[shell river]

Had a triple lock lobby the other day on my hunter

Wanted to rage

[visual river]

its been hard to stay on targets lately, even MM is really elusive fml im just playing poorly idk

[iron fractal]

I did get revenge on a warlock today though.

Charged in, burst, he teleported, charge and I got him behind the pillar.

Took like 6 seconds.

[shell river]

Real

Even when i play my hunter i feel the pain

(Survival)

[obsidian loom]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-5-ptr-development-notes-class-talent-changes-mana-economy-and-hybrid-333251

lmfao

they nerfed hpal

again

[shell river]

Why

[iron fractal]

wat

[shell river]

They were the worst healer

[elfin surge]

cuz we dont have a pvp team

[obsidian loom]

lmfao

[iron fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-13031409

[obsidian loom]

bro pls

i want to play my hpal

[iron fractal]

Holy pala.. I can't remember when I even saw one in solo.

Its all priests.

[shell river]

And rshammys

[iron fractal]

And maybe a druid

[shell river]

Theyre still lurking

But often double priest

Tbh

[visual river]

yea been seeeing a lot of priest or vokers lately

[obsidian loom]

bro what the actual fuck are these changes

[visual river]

woah wtf double lock increases in a row

[shell river]

Lul

[obsidian loom]

dude

is anyone from the dev team playing this game?

[shell river]

Time to roll lock fr

They probs buffing destro at this rate

[obsidian loom]

i have a migraine from this

[iron fractal]

They nerfed skullsplitter because it was too high burst.. yet they buff the caster that is dominating solo shuffle.

I wonder if this was a last finger from Holinka before he quit.

[obsidian loom]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yJFeycRK2DB4c

[shell river]

Ok fuck off

Lmao

[obsidian loom]

good thing i was unsubbing anyway

see you last week of the season

[shell river]

We will miss you

[visual river]

fucking hell lol

might swap to boomy main zz

but im almost capped reputation on my warr D:

[shell river]

Be a chad and stay war

Tbh

I swapped from boomie to warrior, wanted some fun in my life

[iron fractal]

Been warrior since pandaria.

[shell river]

Pog

I started this game in sl

😦

So unfortunately this expac is an upgrade

[river trench]

Ive danced around 3 classes being my main since cata. Started with pally in bc, to cata then had a rogue and warrior i leveled and i have primarily swapped between those 3 since

[obsidian loom]

2004 chad

Send help

[river trench]

ive been playing forever, but for the first like, 2, 3 years i had no clue what i was doing lol, my mom and dad just had me tank and carried me through just about everything for the longest time lmao

i was like, 12 or 13 when we started wow after jumping ship from ff11

[visual river]

omg only gained 13CR on a win at 1600 rbg.........

[river trench]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-13134027

[visual river]

https://youtu.be/vj_rvLVpqg8?t=56

[novel basalt]

hey

where do you upgrade pvp scalewarden gear?

[stark reef]

Same upgrade vendor

[unique fox]

Am i reading this right that UA is getting a 35% buff in pvp

lol

[stark reef]

Can’t have affli hang behind the boys

That damage will be off the fucking charts now

[unique fox]

I'm done

[stark reef]

Remember - warrior is the brain dead class

[unique fox]

I'm not subjecting myself to this torment any longer

[stark reef]

It’s not the caster that does not need to maintain meele uptime with 8 shields, 4 ports, ranged cc and absolutely extreme damage numbers that punch through half of the immunities as the spells ignore parry and evasion

[unique fox]

Just gonna have to queue with a priest for the fade MD

[stark reef]

Saying it here - any ranged class is easier to perform on than a meele class. You’re literally standing around with your dick in your hand if you’re ever not trained you can end the game in a heartbeat

[spice hornet]

Cause aff sucks

[spice hornet]

Lol this is part of the problem of why aff sucks

Along with MW being meta

There’s a reason it’s getting a redesign

[unique fox]

The game is better when aff sucks

[stark reef]

Affli is rated exactly the same as fury and arms in shuffle

R1 is 2370

These buffs put it to 2450 with the boys

My main issue is how tanky casters are - being able to just take it is blizzard providing a literal wheelchair for ranged players

Play ADC in league and stand still - I double dare you

You can be 18/0/15, if that 2/3/8 Yone looks at you’re funny you in the fountain

You pay the ranged tax - do damage when others can’t, die when others can

Hitting a boomkin feels like hitting a prot warrior with disengage

[obsidian loom]

Have you tried chasing an aff

[unique fox]

Might unironically go back to playing Dota

[obsidian loom]

It's unreal

[unique fox]

instead of arena

[stark reef]

Being a ranged DPS player has always been about managing distance - in every single game

Except wow

[obsidian loom]

Wow dev

Cloth tankiest class in the game

Melee glass cannon burst mode

[stark reef]

I genuinely think training a boomkin is the exact same as training a arms or fury warrior

The only difference is, if you ever stop training a war the game isn’t insta-lost

[obsidian loom]

Thorns as well

[stark reef]

Because you’re healer is stuck in mid air for 30minutes

How is a windwalker monk dying 3x as fast as a fkn Druid in a dress?

Windwalker has to be more careful about positioning than most ranged classes except mage

Demo locks hardcasting going 4/2 with the mouse disconnected from the PC eating pringles

[obsidian loom]

[stark reef]

Walk to middle of arena, cast obelisk, spam pets, wait, win

[unique fox]

It's definitely retarded game design to have casters face tanking warriors and winning

[spice hornet]

if an aff is running form you that much then hes doing no damage because 90% of affs kit is hardcasted outside of agony/corrupt

[stark reef]

“I think my tyrant got this. If not, I’m already 3/0 so any extra rounds from here are bonus.”

Destro locks have 3 casts which would be shame if they didn’t also have precog proc from you and your team-mate CORRECTLY kicking the same cast

🤣

[spice hornet]

yeah destro and demo are disgusting

better than aff in every way

[unique fox]

I think maybe a 35% buff to UA is going to overdo it

[stark reef]

“You both kicked chaos bolt? To bad, here’s three more you can’t kick. Thanks for playing.”

[spice hornet]

it ticks for like 10k

[unique fox]

Look at this lock apologist

[stark reef]

At least have precog not trigger for 3sec after actually getting kicked?

Is it that hard?

[spice hornet]

and any good team is spam dispelling UA on CD since it hits 120k on 700k health pools

[spice hornet]

only for aff i already said destro/demo are disgusting

[indigo barn]

You forgot the part when you are paired together and he calls you a "no brain run it down melee"

[spice hornet]

aff is the worst caster

[stark reef]

That’s the best part of it all. “The brainless meele”

🤣

“You los’d healer?”

“Yes, some of us need to actually move to play the game.”

Best strat vs precog is legit to just not kick so they at least interrupt themselves trying to fake you out.

[unique fox]

Shockwave is my kick

[stark reef]

Thing is, it’s very clear how blizzard does balance but it’s also very clear why they have walkouts from people drinking breast milk out the company fridge

[spice hornet]

if you play caster (non-demo/destro caster) you will understand why they added precog. zug melee missing kick then just stunning you into another stun

[stark reef]

Next patch after everyone rolles lock arms will just get double MS and global people at random outside of CD’s

[obsidian loom]

Tldr yea

[stark reef]

I am half trolling - I have a lot of respect for a good mage, it is very dynamic and you can clearly tell who’s good. Big issue is really boomkin, lock and Eli. But like I said, next patch it’s another class that everyone buys tokens and game time to reroll for.

[obsidian loom]

Idgaf they have 2 viable specs that are S+

[stark reef]

And shadow

[spice hornet]

warlock players dont even like demo. its cancer to play and fight against

[obsidian loom]

Aff also being the worst (debatable) caster doesn't mean shit when they're all cracked

[stark reef]

Another drooler spec

[spice hornet]

demo**

[spice hornet]

which caster is debateabley worse than aff

[stark reef]

Arcane? Not sure here but def seems weaker than other two mages

[spice hornet]

aff has way too much setup to do anything esp. in fast paced meta

to even start burst you need to get ua on a target and hardcast malific rupture 3x to get the UA dam buff (which is what they are removing in the redesign because its ridiculous), then you need to redot everything (aka pray UA didn't fall off or get dispeled on CD during that time)

then when you get everything out MW just presses revival and aoe cleanses all dots fucking kek

[rotund trellis]

finding groups in the 1700-1800 range looks impossible recently

[spice hornet]

dead game

[stark reef]

6 days till D4 boys

[rotund trellis]

I just noticed that at that specific rank there's very few people, wondering why

[unique fox]

1800 is still sweaty as fuck is why

[rotund trellis]

you mean 20 hours

hour$*

[unique fox]

Only turbo nerds queing, no point for regular joes to donate rating to them

[obsidian loom]

arcane

frost

MM if you expand it to ranged

devoker is only burst, and dies like paper

i dont think ive seen a devoker in weeks

aff feels worse than it is because destro and demo are s+ right now

[spice hornet]

arcane and frost are better than aff, they don't lsoe to their dam being spam dispeled

healers dispeling UA 15+ times a game because it doesnt matter

[spice hornet]

no its mechanically awful to play that they have to redesign it

[obsidian loom]

lmao what lobbies you in where healers can dispell like that, you're going to get zugged into the dirt on gcds

corruption pumps hard every lobby i vs them

[spice hornet]

corruption isnt killing you

[obsidian loom]

in damp it sure does

legit cant get topped

[spice hornet]

what mmr is this? 1500? dispeling an affs dots means they are doing no damage, so why would a healer not dispel it

corruption dot literally ticks for 6k

[obsidian loom]

2k mmr

[spice hornet]

people have 700k health

[obsidian loom]

whats health pool matter when damps so high

we'll see what happens in 10.1.5 but 3 lock specs s+ tier is going to be awful

demo might be gutted though idkk

[unique fox]

Oh well ill just reflect UA for big dam

[spice hornet]

they aren't even making breaking changes they are removing the need to do some awful mechanical rotation and then doing some seed of corruption pve garbage

[unique fox]

The rotation does seem a bit fucked

[spice hornet]

raw UA dot without doing the proper setup ticks 5k

yeah its really bad

way too much to setup and maintain before you can start bursting

and then affs "burst" is all channeled stuff like drain life, drain soul, male rupture so every kick just goes into you at half decent rating. + the spam dispelling

and then too many MWers everywhere and that spec completely cucks aff

gut demo plz

[stark reef]

I feel like damage is fine, it’s just the tankiness on ranged that’s too much

[spice hornet]

it has too much annoying control

[stark reef]

You mean the micro cc?

[spice hornet]

being able to axe toss while stunned is dumb

yeah

[stark reef]

Yeah, it’s a lot, boomkin and shaman also in that boat

[spice hornet]

2 ranged stuns, coil, shadowfury (so essentially 3 stuns?), and fear

only problem with boomy cc is fast clone is stupid

[stark reef]

I mean it’s so much, the 4sec stun in bear, the knockback, the cyclone, the beam, the roots

[boreal stone]

I don’t think lock is that much of an issue for war specifically

If you know what you’re doing, you can reflect every coil

[stark reef]

Not for war but many comps with lock are

And reflecting coil is fine and dandy until you’re getting trained by more than one caster

[boreal stone]

I think rogue lock is some aids tbh

The amount of credit Myron that comp has is disgusting

Wtf is that auto correct

I meant control^

[shell river]

Looking at 10.1.5, makes me want to become a pver….that bad fr

[stark reef]

Rogue lock, sp, lock, disc with Pi and double void shift, fire mage destro lock, priest

[lost nova]

you think 2 piece is worth losing 2 pieces with vers?

got the offpieces helm and shoulder

[obsidian loom]

yea

[shell river]

Tbh its so easy to cap verse rn

You just dont wanna overcap

[boreal stone]

2 piece is prob worth it if you’re not losing a ton of mastery

[shell river]

I think i have my gear splits wrong but idk

[stark reef]

Also bomkin, disc, destro - another household classic

[boreal stone]

The helm has some really dogshit stats

The tier set one I mean

Ele destro is a nightmare

[shell river]

I crafted the helm instead tbh

F tier set head

[stark reef]

That and Eli demo

That is actually horror because it’s so much cleave

Put disc in for PI e voila

You’re getting pelted

[boreal stone]

I miss when I could actually have uptime against ele shamans

[stark reef]

I miss when they wouldn’t go in the ground for 6sec to come back out and oneshot my healer

[boreal stone]

WTB necro Banner more than ev

[obsidian loom]

i like the way mud says necrobanner

but i didnt like it when he used it vs me

[gaunt notch]

man since they put in the crest bag reward for world quests the times the pvp world quests gave bloody tokens is exactly 1 that ive seen.

[runic wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-childishgambino-donaldglover-community-anxious-gif-4582891

when i gotta go pp but been in queue for 25 min

[spice hornet]

lol i noticed that too

its rare

why cant we vendor these sacks for like 3g each or something

[vast nexus]

What's the verse cap?

[torpid roost]

softcap (diminishing returns) at 30%

drops in effectiveness 10%

[twilit flax]

man arms single tar dmg is doo doo

do like 1.5 the dmg with my ret

[torpid roost]

Yes, every melee is kinda in a better spot than us single target at the moment

[twilit flax]

na feral, dh is pretty comparable

pushing around the same numbers

tested on dummies all eek

[torpid roost]

That's kinda true but they have insane cleave and a touch more utility

I'd say we're tankier though

[twilit flax]

yeah it just feels like shite to play though enjoyment ise

[spice hornet]

lol

lol

double survival hunter rdruid

2.2k mmr regular 3s

[twilit flax]

doing arms things but ur not really dooing arms things

[spice hornet]

doing infinite dam

actually so stupid

[twilit flax]

its just unsatisfying

rip

surv dmg pretty wild too

[spice hornet]

yep they were both doing 60k dps despite running around half the game

both

survival hutner pet is now either their #2 or #3 dam overall btw

keeping seeing it

[pale minnow]

They should remove these dumb afk dmg incomes, like pet dmg, dots, etc literally 0 iq required to do dmg

[stark reef]

It’s the brainless meele

Now watch this tyrannt go brrrrrrr

“I just pressed Bestial Wrath. I’m gaaaaming.”

[spice hornet]

Yeah demo/bm

Fury warrior could arguably fall under an npc spec category though

[stark reef]

Warrior is a 2 button rotation until you’re out of range. Then you better know every mobility spell, and how it verses vs yours, the exact position of your healer, whether he has trinket in case he gets ccd following you

[torpid roost]

But you have to actually press those buttons, in melee, etc

They hit the button from Egypt

Then just watch their pet Tyrone welcome you to the prison showers and slap the soap out your hand

[stark reef]

They don’t even have to face the target

Half the meta literally plays like this:

/cast mass dispell