lol yeah you do
#pvp
spice hornet
opal acorn
i was 1787 last week. this week i am at 1700 stuck on 3-3 every game
i am losing my mind
also, arms doesnt go sks anymore?
undone pumice
You in the pic
opal acorn
almost
obsidian loom
arms can go sks or not
they both feel like shit
and arms isnt any more complicated than fury for natbabes up above
hitting ignore pain isnt any more utility
sks is a bunch more setup for same or less damage as s1 build
opal acorn
its cool but i just saw the top wars not running it
opal acorn
lmao
obsidian loom
you do this to yourself
thick reef
This season is absolutely scuffed lol
urban skiff
heard you like casters
thick reef
Bro, if I liked casters I wouldn't be a chad in plate beating people to death with my Unga Bunga Sticks
urban skiff
i'll be your auggie in 10.1.5
obsidian loom
augment furry dragon dogshit will either be busted or unplayable
there's going to be no balancing that trash
old disc priests were supposed to be augment dragons back in day
never worked
urban skiff
3s is going to be auggie + disc + whomever benefits most from buffs
stark reef
0/4, played 3 rounds, then healer left game
urban skiff
probably enh
obsidian loom
0/4, played 3 rounds, then healer left game
what was the damage?
dark sparrow
Wtf is that ui 
stark reef
Wtf is that ui <:xan:1094127979703062558>
It's the race-car UI
Comes with foot paddle and steering wheel
dark sparrow
The fact you have blank spaces between your icons and some shit just at random places doesn’t give me race-car vibes
stark reef
The blank space is so I see the game
dark sparrow
stark reef
You mean the gaps between skills? It's because there's other stuff there
dark sparrow
He’s NA I think since he said he’s from NYC
wheat jay
fuck
stark reef
Yeah, I'm NA
dark sparrow
Might me totally wrong tho
wheat jay
come EU and come play
stark reef
Hahaha, with the lag, I actually had a war on EU in SL
MS isn't too bad
Was 60 or something to now 32
stark reef
32 is normal, no?
undone pumice
i usually chill on 9ms
undone pumice
im in the future
stark reef
undone pumice
compared to you peasants
undone pumice
fibre
wheat jay
compared to you peasants
u glad yet?
stark reef
I think once D4 launches PvP will be completely barren
undone pumice
you have aliens visit your horse-farm?
my neighbors have horses
we only have crops
wheat jay
I think once D4 launches PvP will be completely barren
you mean more than now?
jesus xD
urban skiff
there's just no shortage of enh shamans that are very bad
dark sparrow
so, someone wants some kfc?
I’m on in 10 if you still wanna q some kfc
iron fractal
I see a lot of fury running the Zone of focus helmet.
But are you expected to be above 90% health that often to make it work?
tawny brook
buying first conq wep.. which one should i get?
Mastery 2h
tawny brook
Dont forget you can get a 447 mastery 2h for your other hand
torpid bridge
from?
tawny brook
Bloody tokens and trophies of strife
torpid bridge
ah ok
tawny brook
Malicia has the blue version
iron fractal
How do you craft the Primal molten helm that gives mastery?
winged ferry
Slaugtherhouse doesn't refresh its own timer? the 12 stacks fall off before new stacks start being applied? I just learned this and it seems weird, isn't that idiosyncratic for a WoW aura
unique fox
It used to, but they nerfed it to apply in that matter because constant 40% ms was too strong
winged ferry
ah ok, thanks, and bummer
urban skiff
"mglad lf similar note xp" -> guaranteed under 1500 CR sweaty
wheat jay
I’m on in 10 if you still wanna q some kfc
so you coming?
dark sparrow
so you coming?
yealogging now, you want arms or fury got both
wheat jay
whatever xD
iron fractal
@stark reef How do you get the Frosty/ Fiery soul to craft the pants?
stark reef
<@267069849723863041> How do you get the Frosty/ Fiery soul to craft the pants?
They're called frostfire legguards of preparation
They're a premade item
iron fractal
Dont you craft them the same way like with the boots?
stark reef
Yes
iron fractal
And the craft order says I need a Frosty soul and a Fiery soul.
iron fractal
They're a premade item
Are you the only one who uses those legs? Everyone seems to go for the mastery above 90% health
muted surge
And the craft order says I need a Frosty soul and a Fiery soul.
You need to catch a soul for that
stark reef
Are you the only one who uses those legs? Everyone seems to go for the mastery a...
yeah
muted surge
iron fractal
yeah
But do you get enough up time above 90% health for it to work over the haste buff?
urban skiff
And the craft order says I need a Frosty soul and a Fiery soul.
engineering
this season is just so wack
boreal stone
But do you get enough up time above 90% health for it to work over the haste buf...
play the mastery one. better to min max
youll want tier on ur legs
iron fractal
I do world pvp and bg's too.. so staying above 90% health is usually not happening for me.
boreal stone
then craft the lariat neck
the pants were good when skullsplitter one shot was a thing, but haste isnt that important for fury, esp when fury gets to like 40+% haste with just being enraged/rampage stacks
iron fractal
What does the lariat neck do?
boreal stone
iron fractal
So if I socket Mastery.. I'll get 330 mastery that lasts 5 sec, + 1 more sec for each gem.
boreal stone
it scales with ilvl, check the order hall
iron fractal
Wonder what the procc rate is.
boreal stone
"Elemental Lariat is a World of Warcraft necklace item WoW players craft with the Dragonflight jewelcrafting profession recipe. It has 3 recraft ranks that affect on the item's level, stats, proc chance and number of sockets. Elemental Lariat has a 34% proc chance and low cooldown timer – 2,3 procs every 60 seconds."
so it procs about 2-3 times per minute
lasting a maximum of like 12 seconds per proc
maybe more than that actually. 3 gems from neck, 2 from rings, 1 wrist, 1 belt, 1 helmet I think?
urban skiff
I realized there's one positive to all this rating deflation.
All the people in LFG are less picky about who they bring
iron fractal
Roused shadowflame isnt used?
boreal stone
its like 1-2% dmg
urban skiff
SHUFFLE POPPED GUYS WHAT DO I DO
boreal stone
I dont have a single shadowflame enchant or embellishment and I still top the meters. doesnt seem worth it to me
its some piss bleed compared to getting a mainstat or gem proc that actively increases your damage done
boreal stone
SHUFFLE POPPED GUYS WHAT DO I DO
take it
urban skiff
boreal stone
6-0 lobby if u play ur cards right
iron fractal
Oof.. the haste would turn me into a zug zug.. but a procc with a lot of extra mastery is quite delicious too.
Needs earth gems to make mastery procc..
muted surge
Dw, i will join you in ~ 4 months
iron fractal
"Elemental Lariat is a World of Warcraft necklace item WoW players craft with th...
You can add your own sockets to it right? So it has 3*?
urban skiff
6-0 lobby if u play ur cards right
1/6 most likely
boreal stone
if u 1-6 that lobby, its def a skill issue
muted surge
I still think ret is a hard matchup
muted surge
Together with lock or dh they can just randomly tap you
stark reef
if u 1-6 that lobby, its def a skill issue
I have skill issued my way down from 2269 to 2150 today
boreal stone
I have skill issued my way down from 2269 to 2150 today
LOL
stark reef
It all started with running death wish into DK/Lock
urban skiff
if u 1-6 that lobby, its def a skill issue
stark reef
Downhill since
stark reef
It's good in 10% of rounds, it's just difficult to tell in advance 
urban skiff
of course i did
boreal stone
DH is good
muted surge
Did you press your buttons tho
boreal stone
but I swear u can shut them down as war
urban skiff
thing is sometimes other players are just really good
boreal stone
so easily
urban skiff
my mmr keeps going down but at least my rating goes up even at 2/6
Not sure why the game thinks i belong with the sweaty 1600 people. Started me out vs 2100 or some nonsense
muted surge
What was your rating in s1?
boreal stone
s1 rating irrelevant when u change specs
i was almost 3.1k on my alt arms war, started at 1500 mmr as fury
boreal stone
I paleyd fury to 2.6k on my main last season too
jsut didnt care to after that, got busy pushing 3s
urban skiff
What was your rating in s1?
1800 almost sharp
urban skiff
i was almost 3.1k on my alt arms war, started at 1500 mmr as fury
i was fury in s1
stark reef
@boreal stone have you tried RB in shuffle, yet?
boreal stone
thats the only build I play
stark reef
Really?
boreal stone
every game
stark reef
How is sustain with that
stark reef
yeah, damage is fine with my build, to. Just not feeling comfortable dropping BT healing
boreal stone
PUSSY
just have to activate a couple more brain cells
and impend at the right time
use dstance
n such
if u played arms alst season, its not too different from that
stark reef
So you RB for dam and BT for sustain as needed?
stark reef
Yeah, I played that last season
boreal stone
also, playing nelf unironically makes fury feel tankier
boreal stone
yes
stark reef
And loadout 1 is your main build?
boreal stone
I think so?
lemme copy paste it
I need to name change that toon so bad
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@stark reef
boreal stone
I drop menace and pain and gain for shattering whenever its needed
stark reef
You actually play shattering?
boreal stone
no LOL
urban skiff
but youll press it more often with 4 set
do you track it or just press it naturally?
boreal stone
ppl always ask me what I drop for it tho
boreal stone
do you track it or just press it naturally?
I dont have 4 set yet, but ill prob make a wa for it or something
If I get gloves from vault ill have 4 set
my friend thiccbiscuit has 4 set. hes critting for about 120k with it in pvp
probbaly gonna end up using it like a second charge of onslaught
boreal stone
wdym gearing guide?
novel basalt
what are the best slots that dont interfere with future tier sets
urban skiff
what are the best slots that dont interfere with future tier sets
hat gives best stat distribution when you have 4set
boreal stone
ahh I see. Youll want infurious warboots and craft the helmet with vers mastery with the mast above 90% embellishment. OR u can craft the helmet without embellishment and craft an elemental lariat instead. youll also eventually want a crafted signet of titanic insight
this is if youre playing fury
urban skiff
ahh I see. Youll want infurious warboots and craft the helmet with vers mastery ...
in the long-long run ideally every piece besides shoulder chest glove legs trinkets weapons will be crafted
boreal stone
not true tbh
u will want like 34% versa still
you lose too much versa if u split all the stats equally
urban skiff
softcap for vers is 30%, why is 34% so interesting?
boreal stone
the diference between 30% and like 34%+ is noticeable
urban skiff
noticeable for what? damage?
boreal stone
wariors, fury esp, tend to take the most damage in shuffle (according to a post on reddit that analyzed like 3k seperate shuffles)
urban skiff
takes 200 rating to increase damage by 1% with vers and 125 rating with mastery to do the same.
urban skiff
what the fuck
boreal stone
fold every lock like an omlette
the destro + aff is gonna be sketchy as fuck
but ur demo shold have enough tools to take the destro out of the game
stark reef
so far so good, winning
boreal stone
W
spice hornet
Too many ape fury’s queueing
stark reef
Healer diff but we're gaming
Locks can't hang
TBH could have been 6/0
Was just nasty on the swaps sometimes but locks getting away with 7% health
urban skiff
Too many ape fury’s queueing
i miss the old days with arms everywhere
38+ minute queue and a healer left after 2 rounds
at least my mmr went down with rating going up
and I'm on 2/3 vault
capping this season is so painful compared to s1
elfin valve
hey can you not mage food in shadowmeld anymore? or am I blind and have a bleed on
wheat jay
You need to be out of combat and not have dots on you
quartz raptor
was doing threes and was getting yelled at for not running this build is it good?
BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICkAERTKiQS0ABJSARSCRSSSIJkESkWKhIBJBAAABEE
runing to bathroom super quick
river walrus
Healer diff but we're gaming
Danmmm 3 locks lol
rose spoke
Hello, any reason why you fury would play anni over onslaught in SS? Is it preference or tier related
visual river
You can play both anni and onslaught, did you mean raging blow?
rose spoke
Yea either AA build with anni or Raging Blow
visual river
Anni has great sustain due to main ability being bloodthirst
Raging blow takes away the sustain for more dps especially if you get 4set
rose spoke
Mmm so like for lower mmr where the healers can be more sus sustain could have more value
visual river
Until you get 4set, anni+odyns fury/onslaught is better
Once you get 4set it becomes preference , either stick with anni+OF/onslaught or change to hard dps with raging blow
Anni+OF is great for rbg or melee cleave matchups
Anni+onslaught is great for caster teams or 2s even
rose spoke
Haven’t played fury in a few expansions, noticed we can pick up 3 more dam abilities, almost dub the buttons.
What’s your initial burst rotation look like?
visual river
Depends if you take odyns fury or onslaught
Odyns fury gives improved whirlwind which makes your next two single target abilities also cleave
visual river
OF:
Charge, stormbolt, cd macro (avatar reck roar), rampage, bloodthirst, odyns fury, rampage, bloodthirst until rampages
Onslaught:
Charge, stormbolt, cd macro, rampage, onslaught, rampage, bloodthirst until rampages
rose spoke
I’ve been running Odyns with Onslaught, just going through all the 1.5 cds, dumping into Rampage, Odyns, Rampage, Onsalught > Crushing
visual river
I think once you get 4set getting both odyns and onslaught might be the play
Until then I’m still only 3pc and the sustain from bloodthirst is too good
Since you don’t need to rely on healer as much in low mmr
rose spoke
Yea I m going to revert to@your suggestion. Appreciate all the help, thank you
visual river
It’s also less buttons with anni so you can focus on surviving at low tier
stark reef
WTF did I just witness?
This enhance had to have bought a pilot
There is no shot that's a real person
I thought I was getting inted
worthy fern
@stark reef sometiems on my enh I forget to put my wf and ft weapons on for like first two rounds
fresh valve
obsidian loom
Kick his ass
obsidian loom
Sounds like my lobbies
visual river
stark reef
I have to say though, that guy plays clean af
spice hornet
He’s always playing
stark reef
Just other ladders?
lucid walrus
steep inlet
(It is not)
We are very solid Vs that
High armor self heal ignore pain etc
I played some fire mage alt trust me it’s 10x more paper
spice hornet
Fury is extremely durable
iron fractal
So how does the Zone of comfort work? As long you stay above 90% health you get mastery, but as soon as it dips under you lose it?
sharp meteor
Yep.
jolly lance
Let enhance have their moment. That spec has been dead for a while in the pvp scene.
Imo it still is.
muted surge
Nah fuck them
open glacier
One thing is to have their moment, other is to desintegrate ppl
muted surge
Can you win in 2s vs enh? Yesterday playing for the first time this season and I lost hard 3x against them :>
visual river
They have really good sudden damage, got lightning bolted for 140k
muted surge
Yea and the ascendenc proc shreds
vernal flax
Hi! I'm playing a fury warrior in pvp. I have a raging blow build. I would like to ask a few questions. Thank you in advance!
1.) What is the bis weapon? The pvp vendor weapon, some raid or dungeon dropped one, one handed or two handed?
2.) I read in some places that haste is the most or the second most important stat. I don't understand why? As a raging blow build I more or less use only raging blow and rampage continously, with or without haste. I don't understand how haste is useful for this build.
3.) I saw some ppl wearing raid set items with 450ilvl for pvp modification. How is that possible? I looked for it in crafting orders, but didn't find anything there.
opal acorn
I got both 2h mastery vers weapons, haste us generally good for flow and dmg, tier set comes from vault and one piece from hitting 1600
vapid tartan
Hi! I'm playing a fury warrior in pvp. I have a raging blow build. I would like ...
- Bis wep for fury is the mast/vers
vapid tartan
Hi! I'm playing a fury warrior in pvp. I have a raging blow build. I would like ...
- mastery is the most important stat. Haste is good because it reduces the time of your gcd so you can get more hits in
vapid tartan
Hi! I'm playing a fury warrior in pvp. I have a raging blow build. I would like ...
- There is an item called "Trophy of conquest" that can be used to make crafted pieces scale to 450 in pvp, you get two for free and you can purchase more with conq
vernal flax
3. There is an item called "Trophy of conquest" that can be used to make crafte...
Thank you! Yeah I got those already and I could make crafting order with a lot of different items with it, I just don't find the way to make a crafting order for the raid dropped onyx gear to enhance it with those stuff.
vapid tartan
you can only use those on crafted items
not raid gear
pvp tier pieces will be 450 automatically
vernal flax
But I saw YT videos of Bajheera and he weared onyx gear with 450ilvl in pvp modification.
vapid tartan
That’s not raid gear, that is pvp gear
You can get 450 onyx gear from great vault only, on june 13th you will be able to convert conquest pieces to pvp gear with catalyst
vernal flax
Thank you!
torpid roost
I'm way more worried about boomkins than enhance
An enhancement shaman has to get up in my face to do that damage (mostly)
obsidian loom
I'm guessing we'll see a tuning hotfix this week since ions under constant fear of revolt from staff and probably gave them memorial weekend off
spice hornet
Lol all the talent leaving cause the return to office stuff is aaa
elfin surge
im not playing until tuning
spice hornet
im not playing until tuning
What needs to be tuned
spice hornet
No
toxic hollow
hello , i'm starting pvp on warr, should i go arms or fury for solo shuffle ?
spice hornet
Survi needs buff
Survival is so lowkey broken
quartz raptor
What enchants people going with on fury ? Is the shadow flame wreath worth a slot ?
spice hornet
Muds too busy playing roblox
violet fossil
Buf dk
onyx marlin
Warrior isn’t fun to play in shuffle
somwhow i won 4-2
kek
somehow*
sp boomy destro
dense herald
Is bleed ms build viable
iron fractal
Ree, can’t decide what to get as a second craftable.
elfin surge
Muds too busy playing roblox
mmmkay what
granite basin
stark reef
How are these servers not up?
They need to squeeze through another round of warlock buffs?
violet fossil
Buf dk
teal hedge
Ohj man
obsidian loom
They'll replace him with Danuser and finish wow off
urban skiff
They'll replace him with Danuser and finish wow off
Why not the phones-guy?
vapid tartan
im actually scared now lol
stark reef
Fury mains deciding on which button to press next
obsidian loom
Fury mains deciding on which button to press next
Easy solution: don't take onslaught and burst only
wary heart
servers up? lock buffs incoming
warm portal
"Shadowburn - Damaged increased by 300%"
gaunt scaffold
Holinka is leaving blizz maybe we get some actual class balance
stark reef
servers up? lock buffs incoming
No, still down
wary heart
unpopular opinion: holinka was the only one giving us moderately balanced pvp because he's the last dev to actually play
we're now stuck with ion pve fun haus
i cant name another dev except him
that pvps
kaleiki left in SL
no clue who's left
granite basin
Mud for pvp combat lead
gaunt scaffold
eh warlock woundnt be so oppressing for the last 3 expansions if that was the case unless he plays lock
wary heart
i dont think holinka played favorites really, he was much more of a high level guy
there's 100% a devlock
somewhere
granite basin
I just remembered before holinka "played" like 6 or 7 specs
wary heart
they should hire mes as lead dev
or trille
crusader has the most game knowledge, but he's a liability
he's also make hpal the #1 healer
rotund trellis
Fury mains deciding on which button to press next
pftttt easy solution, deathwish
runic wharf
isnt sodah on the dev team, an awc pvper?
vapid tartan
Server up
runic wharf
i dont even know if i wanna queue ss this week
unique fox
Worthless vauilt this week GG
obsidian loom
i dont even know if i wanna queue ss this week
No reason to until inflation kicks in
pearl sleet
Wich one is better for fury?
vapid tartan
think i just grab the mast ring for arms here huh
atleast i got tier on my fury lul
stark reef
Had to take tier pants - which is nice, now i am 3/4 but I won't be able to use haste pants if it comes to it
But will come in handy later, might just make another 2nd embellishment to swap depending on what I get next week
Shard for solo shuffle
Lariat is nerfed in PvP, isn't it?
urban skiff
still need to sleep before i know what vault brings
urban skiff
Lariat is nerfed in PvP, isn't it?
nerfed but i think not dead
visual river
Why not titanic ring with/without embelishment
pearl sleet
@warm portal head then? Or socket maybe :/
stark reef
What would I put on ring that isn't completely negligeble
visual river
The 2nd embelishment is basically negligible
stark reef
Pants are good imo
visual river
Yet you got tier pants
stark reef
I had to because I have the other two items already
Was tier shoulders and I got those for token for 2set last week
And regular chest, which I also have
visual river
Does the pants reset in the same round of ss?
Or do you need to break combat ?
On paper it’s pretty good. Better in rbg
I’m making the ring this week , 650mastery and 650 vers. Assuming I don’t get belt in vault will also make 447 belt from trophy of strife
stark reef
I have posted 20+ screenshots of the pants on here - 331 haste/stack, 3 - 15 stacks per round
stark reef
Yes but that’s because you get the stacks early
So you have 1k haste for ~30sec worst case
fervent salmon
Getting back into my War. Whats the consensus here? What is better in PVP? ARMS or FURY? and which will benefit most from set bonus
visual river
Which do you enjoy playing ?
fervent salmon
Honestly.. Fury but there are so many button presses lol
visual river
Well then you’ll love fury because there is only 3 buttons right now
runic wharf
maybe ill try the figurine embellishment this week
fervent salmon
I mean spamming the same button constantly at lightspeed, not the ability amount
stark reef
If this is bad then I am a swahili attack helicopter
wary heart
tf is prepared time
visual river
It’s the pants proc
Crafted pants
Get 331 haste for 15s for each new enemy you attack
wary heart
hows that synergize with basically everything else fury incentivizes you do to tunnel?
also haste is kinda meh
stark reef
It's 10sec but they refresh each other I believe
wary heart
for fury
stark reef
You proc it with Odyn's, Shockwave, Roar, you don't swap targets
warm portal
<@114154593147027465> head then? Or socket maybe :/
Tier helm is prob the worst item in the set for fury so thats hard to say
wary heart
lmao is it busted with zoo cleave?
stark reef
And Haste is a good stat for fury - not sure why people here say it's not
wary heart
i can see this making you zoomy vs destrolock
stark reef
Everbody has 15 pets in this game
warm portal
Even boomkin got pets out now lmao
visual river
Well the second embelishment for fury is very in the air right now. It’s either:
- 1-3% damage with shadowflame patch
- 1-3% damage with gathering storm
- 250mastery IF you’re above 90% hp
- 330 haste that stacks
wary heart
this will get nerfed 100%
stark reef
Even boomkin got pets out now lmao
Getting 4 procs hitting shockwave on a mage with mirror images
visual river
If you get these pants you’d ideally get tier helm, the pants also have mastery haste which is nice but you sacrifice more vers you’d likely be sub 30% with 4set and pants
stark reef
Well the second embelishment for fury is very in the air right now. It’s either:...
Is the 250mastery adjusted for 450 ilvl?
Or is that the outside of arena number?
visual river
That was outside arena I have it in my hunter wearing 424 pve
stark reef
Because pants outside are also 254 so I could see this be 330 in arena for silken lining, to
visual river
Yea like it’s not bad, but damn how long am i ever above 90% Hp? Kinda feels waste
Extra 2% enrage damage when I’m at full Hp
IF I’m above
runic wharf
that haste from the legs might be beneficial with faster rotation to stack up the bloodthirst crit/dmg from 4pc
visual river
It’s only really big against demos and the initial 30-40s of the ss round
Still a good advantage though
runic wharf
id be curious to see how much bloodthirst hits with a x10 stack plus like 1-2 deathwish stacks
uneven turret
does the rank matter for this?
visual river
There’s 3 ranks, get the gold anyway lol i don’t think the price varies much
granite basin
I get all my pvp stuff crafted with bronze unless the others are cheaper
But I do no pve
urban skiff
I don't care that turbo is "the free glad" comp
fury + destro is just pure FUN
all i have to do is peel and stack ms and occasionally press swifty macro
visual river
I think pants honestly has more value than shadowflame armor patch
I already have tier pants as my 3rd tier piece
Pants will help blow through all enemy cds in first 30-40s of the round
iron fractal
And if you like to do world pvp and bg's too?
visual river
Well yea it has more benefit outside of arena
toxic hollow
for only playing in solo shuffle / RBG , should i go arms or fury ?
visual river
Fury
iron fractal
Right so I might go for the haste pants then.
visual river
I cleave 250k dps in the initial clash in rbgs, then my boomy teammates take over
iron fractal
It lasts 10 seconds.. does it reset for each hit up to the 5 hits?
royal rose
So you can only have 2 embellishments but you can craft as many pvp items with shadowflames as you'd like right?
visual river
@stark reef mentioned it resets to full duration . He seems to average 30-40s in his games of ss
Shadowflame is also an embelishment
stark reef
Let me test this rn on the dummy again just to confirm 100%
royal rose
I meant the shadowflame spark or w/e the crafting thing is called
visual river
You can craft without embelishments or craft the well fed one (which doesn’t count as embelishment)
Yes, basically once we get an overflow of sparks there are a few@pieces of gear you should craft to 450 instead of conq gear because some items like belt are locked to haste and crit only
royal rose
Does the warboots/allied chest count as embellishments because it has equip effects or only ones you actually had an embellishment to lol
iron fractal
Ah ok, so you hit a target, get 1 stack, hit him again, 2 stacks, and its back to 10 seconds?
stark reef
Ah ok, so you hit a target, get 1 stack, hit him again, 2 stacks, and its back t...
You absolutely do not play around this embellishment intentionally - you just play the game, as you hit targets you get stacks, if they happen to stack, nice, if not, also nice
iron fractal
My friend made the Shadowflame helmet, and I've told him to tell me how often it proccs. The 7 k hits feels a bit eh by the amount it hits.
stark reef
Your fail-case is getting ~1k haste for 10sec if you hit all 3 targets, there are 0 pets - but that's extremely rare
visual river
I have shadowflame helm, it’s avg overall 1-3% damage in ss lol
Made it more for the 450slot
stark reef
According to details this round I got 5 individual applications of the buff and a total of 12 refreshes - details also shows that I hit 7 individual targets so this might count both in refreshes?
visual river
What’s the R?
stark reef
stark reef
What’s the R?
Refresh
visual river
Ooh..
iron fractal
I am aiming towards the pants atm.
stark reef
But also, Wolfs are multiple targets under same name so chances are, it's in fact 18 total procs
Also, seeing tons of hits of sidearm on random stuff that procs this
So yes, procs through Sidearm, Roar, Shockwave, Odyn's
iron fractal
True, a lot more haste is a lot more auto attacks.
visual river
Man sidearm has been like 1-3% of my damage as well feel kinda waste going it. I put it back into the 20% chance to refund 20% rage on rampage instead
stark reef
Shamans have a lot of pets though, this was vs. demo, eli, enhc so that's your best case
iron fractal
I think I might go for the pants cause I do a lot of battlegrounds/ world pvp too.
stark reef
Worst case is 3 targets - stuff like ret, mw, arms
iron fractal
And there's plenty of targets there, not often you zug zug one person for any longer amount of time.
stark reef
But even priest have Shadowfiend, the root they do, etc.
stark reef
Man sidearm has been like 1-3% of my damage as well feel kinda waste going it. I...
Mine is always 1.8 - 3% - never swapping that out
It's too free
Prob ofc is that it's not prio damage
visual river
Well it works nice with pants
granite basin
SMH not full bleed build on arms cringe
iron fractal
Mine is always 1.8 - 3% - never swapping that out
How do you get the Frosty and Fiery soul to craft the haste pants?
Can't buy them at AH I've noticed.
unique fox
You need an alchemy item from the AH, zapthrottle something or other then go kill an elite fire/ice thing with it
iron fractal
So I need to buy two of those, and then go kill an elite.
unique fox
You just need one, its reusable
iron fractal
*Right thank ya.
urban skiff
I cleave 250k dps in the initial clash in rbgs, then my boomy teammates take ove...
do you change your build in any way to do rbgs? Maybe more cleave?
what is this garbage
tired osprey
I am trying to make the primal molten helm. What embellishment is that on murlock.io?
urban skiff
Your choices are gathering storm, shadowflame patch, blue silken lining
tired osprey
can i buy it off of AH
urban skiff
yes
tired osprey
what is the name for this one?
urban skiff
tired osprey
thank you
urban skiff
you don't need rank3 if you don't care about pve item level
dense lark
What are we using for our second embellishment fury bros/
urban skiff
look over the last 3 minutes of this channel
and a secret fourth option of haste proc pants
dense lark
I dont see any of the top guys using Gathering Storm. Just that shitty mastery above 90% and sporecloack
stark reef
I dont see any of the top guys using Gathering Storm. Just that shitty mastery a...
Gathering Storm is 1-2% of total damage
Extremely underwhelming
Sounds nice on paper but numbers are attrocious
stark reef
@elfin surge versed swifty, rio & yadiig yesterday
Swifty def best
Based on the 1 shuffle sample size
tired osprey
Just that shitty mastery above 90% and sporecloack how do i do this
stark reef
Also 2 more shuffles vs. Maxvila
Yadiig and Rio didn’t use intervene that well - often threw tempo to peel - Swifty only arms I played against where I was really worried about tempo as fury
Maxvila def best mage so far - insane damage every round
Took 2 rounds off that guy in 3 shuffles, won every time playing with him
twilit flax
it looks like skull splitter is actually really low prio in rotation
if your trying to burst in a short window its actually super inefficient
cause youre using global for thunder clap, then skull splitter , and skull splitter dmg isnt that good
plus you have to divide it by two cause its two globals
stark reef
I just don't think arms has good options for sgl target pressure, which you need in this meta in most cases
You cannot run cleave into pets, you will lose
Meele cleave arms is king
twilit flax
yeah arms doesnt seem to fit that well in the meta
you pretty much need to run with a ret or youre playing anakin low ground
stark reef
I've seen people pull of sks - it still works, just not as well
Definitely the "best" build i've encountered
Because that build actually allows you to kill stuff like locks and shamans
twilit flax
still though. my thunderclap with avatar is hitting for initial around 15k , and my skull splitter 45k
if youve got tons of procs just his MS and overpower, execute, roar/blade storm
use skill splliter as just w/e
you definitely want it, im just talking rotation prio
stark reef
yeah, that sounds right
just an extra button, since you're already heavy specced into bleeds
twilit flax
yeah
quaint ruin
torpid roost
Incorrect. Or I'm terrible at rogue despite having been very good at it previously
wary heart
we need a tuning pass & some cr inflation soon or the seasons going to be sitting cr
vapid tartan
Definitely the "best" build i've encountered
Which one?
stark reef
Sks
dark sparrow
Incorrect. Or I'm terrible at rogue despite having been very good at it previo...
Hate to break it to ya, this is a you problem
stark reef
Rogues are definitely the ultimate live-lords right now
dark sparrow
<@269709440146604032> versed swifty, rio & yadiig yesterday
Not real swifty sadly
stark reef
Not real swifty sadly <:deadge:900279927138578432>
No disrespect but if I’d see the real swifty in that bracket I’d eat a leather-sole on stream with chipotle seasoning.
The legacy lives on
wary heart
who's idea was it to hard-lock mmr
stark reef
It’s not really hard-locked
wary heart
its hard-capped
stark reef
Not really
wary heart
according to ven it is
stark reef
Ven is a content creator - he makes money from clicks
wary heart
there's been almost zero people climbing over 2400 since 2 weeks ago
we're at around 20 people in NA
stark reef
At what number is it locked according to ven? It isn’t. It’s just hard to gain rating if nobody is rated higher than you
It will expand over time but you need to beat people with at least similar rating or stomp people with slightly lower rating to gain rating
That’s not an easy feat north of 2.2k - specifically for warrior
But locks and rogues are leading the charge to 2.6k already
urban skiff
who's idea was it to hard-lock mmr
tbh it feels like blizzard forgot to check a box for this patch
vapid tartan
i mean at 2.4k queueing into probs 2.1-2.3 ppl you get like what 5cr for a 4-2?
stark reef
It’s 2.5k then but same thing, it’s not locked
urban skiff
why do I always get stuck at 1500-1600?
stark reef
At 2.2k you are queueing into people that have been rank one every patch since 3 expansions
wary heart
thats my point... lol
vapid tartan
ngl roxi u been grinding
wary heart
ive never had a season like this
vapid tartan
i see u on top fury leaderboards xd
wary heart
by now cata through today
wary heart
you've had people at or above 2200 in big amounts by now
theres 150 people, in all of NA
above 2200
stark reef
Tbh I don’t know, my first season in WoW, I just know that the mmr system relies on beating people with higher rating to gain more mmr
wary heart
something's for sure busted or they were dead serious about locking mmr in shuffle to LFG which is dead
torpid bridge
are there any "essential" pvp macros for fury
unique fox
The games just dead, everyone got their rating goals for the exp last season in shuffle lol
vapid tartan
i just hit 1.9 week 1 cba to queue into this shit
stark reef
If I lose to 2180 with 2270 rating I’m taking a beating on my mmr
wary heart
Tbh I don’t know, my first season in WoW, I just know that the mmr system relies...
if whazz is hardcapped 2600mmr, he gets no cr or mmr
vapid tartan
just doing rbgs for vault till uncap xd
stark reef
if whazz is hardcapped 2600mmr, he gets no cr or mmr
Isn’t he arguably the best player though? So he basically has to stomp other awc competitors to gain extremely little rating
wary heart
i think the issue is that LFG is dead, and blizzard said they're trying to keep LFG and RSS similar
stark reef
And if he ever loses it goes down real quick
vapid tartan
i wonder what the size of the ladder is now compared to end of s1
wary heart
Isn’t he arguably the best player though? So he basically has to stomp other awc...
right but they used to inject 20-30 mmr per week
vapid tartan
where can i check that?
wary heart
so he'd get capped and the mmr ranking system would flow through the system
wary heart
i wonder what the size of the ladder is now compared to end of s1
ludus labs used to do this
stark reef
right but they used to inject 20-30 mmr per week
I see - yeah, maybe they tuned it to much but it’s definitely not hard-capped
wary heart
but its defunct now
if you get 3 mmr a week injection? its de facto hard capped
im not queuing for 3 cr
stark reef
But if you’re 2.3k as war you queue into 2.2k destro locks and if you lose you lose 70 rating so it’s super hard to stay there
Which is why most people play to a rating and just stop
vapid tartan
so ur saying either giga inflate or nerf locks?
urban skiff
I see - yeah, maybe they tuned it to much but it’s definitely not hard-capped
it can still be hardcapped without being hardcapped.
Say there are X teams in the top. They all gain 10 rating for wins, they all lose 100 rating on a loss. They would need above 90% win rate to climb at that point.
urban skiff
As long as we don't take other people's rating it can cap out
wary heart
if they injected mmr this week
itd be 35 35 35 30 until the injection ran out
that's how it was last season
vapid tartan
they will probably ramp it up on conq uncap
i think a lot of people are holding off on qing till then
or when catalyst unlocks
stark reef
it can still be hardcapped without being hardcapped.
Say there are X teams in t...
Yes, there’s definitely a “throttle” on the rating but that’s the mmr system - if you outpace the competition you either have to keep stomping or wait until people catch up
wary heart
blizz doesnt throttle m+
stark reef
I am fairly confident that the season will end with people above 3.5k
wary heart
or raid for that matter
vapid tartan
m+ and raid and raid bosses dont gain/lose mmr tho
urban skiff
ELO systems have existed for like 100 years now and blizz still managed to make some ugly amalgamation that doesn't function properly
vapid tartan
thats a static encounter
stark reef
And it’ll likely be the same people that are 2.2k+ rn
wary heart
I am fairly confident that the season will end with people above 3.5k
because they'll have to do some SL S2 bullshit and inject 300 cr in a week
they fubar'ed SL S2 so hard its unreal, you got people on glad mounts that were combatants hard stuck
urban skiff
because they'll have to do some SL S2 bullshit and inject 300 cr in a week
100% certain they're going to take some kind of misguided measure that's both overkill and doesn't solve the root issue
only a question about when
stark reef
ELO systems have existed for like 100 years now and blizz still managed to make ...
Right, that’s the name - I just know it from league, they have the opposite issue since they have a rating and a number cut off
wary heart
im convinced blizz has a secret ELO behind MMR
urban skiff
Right, that’s the name - I just know it from league, they have the opposite issu...
it's not just league. It's what Chess players use. I think tennis and golf as well.
stark reef
So 5 years ago Grandmaster at 1k LP was top 400 challenger and now you’re not even top 1000 with 1k LP
So it’s the reverse - you need insanely high numbers vs insane competition to make the cut
vapid tartan
its still wierd tho bc theres. alot of m+io at 2.7k+
urban skiff
It's a "solved" system. And blizz diverted from that for no good reason
stark reef
I hear you
wary heart
current system makes sense if you want to max sub count, but they turned the dial off pretty hard
its almost surely because they inanely linked it to LFG rating
thinking it'd fix LFG
stark reef
I am not making excuses for blizzard - if someone is going to fuck over their player base it’s them
urban skiff
current system makes sense if you want to max sub count, but they turned the dia...
i loathe how well they've perfected the skinner's box
stark reef
Just to clarify
urban skiff
DF is the first time I focus on pvp instead of having to balance it with pve
and they fuck up the ratings part
stark reef
No, it makes total sense, blizzard and time-gating to maximize subscriptions whilst not providing actual fun progression that leads to people sticking around anyways is as old as it gets
vapid tartan
I’m ngl I thought week 0 and 1 were pretty fun for pvp
wary heart
tbh the mmr/cr debacle has been horrendous since the start of shadowlands and it started in season 2 because they had a massive exodus from the metoo stuff
urban skiff
Just raid at beginning of tier and cap vault
skipping raids now. I'm too old, have too many kids, reflexes aren't what they used to and I just can't put as much time into farming some stupid trinket from m+, a game mode i find so boring I need lethal doses of caffeine to stay awake through them
vapid tartan
skipping raids now. I'm too old, have too many kids, reflexes aren't what they u...
I feel that I like pvp and raiding but I literally fall asleep in m+
Like I’ve woken up on my keyboard multiple times
urban skiff
It was getting like that in raids last tier
Literally falling asleep midpull. Guild was using way too many pulls per boss and when the rest finally got gut I was so done mentally that I became the road block
vapid tartan
Haven’t fallen asleep in raid yet lol
urban skiff
what are we hoping to see in vault tomorrow?
Tier chest/legs > conq chest/legs > mastery jewelry > 2nd weapon > trinkets for me
vapid tartan
Taking socket since week 1
urban skiff
Hope the spark quest isn't too bad tomorrow
vapid tartan
You can also kill elites they will drop 8 sparks per kill
urban skiff
if i can just get legs/chest of any kind I can safely spend my conq on crafted ring and start dealing a ton of damage
yea it's the weeklies i meant. This week was skirmish and arena
might get epic bg + rbg or some nonsense
urban skiff
I don't, I can't figure out which side to play to win
urban skiff
AV is easy: Take their towers, find a way to delay them taking your towers.
isle of conquest is the worst: have to take hangar + mid to rush a gate. The docks for glaive is a dead tactic at this point.
Wintergrasp depends on attack v defense. If on attack you want to take sunken ring -> deny them kills + rake in kills for your team so you can build a ton of demos and take down towers. Then rotate around the map to deny their capacity to build lots.
ashran: idk kill the mage and kill them a lot.
vapid tartan
I think they should just give warr a caster spec tbh we can throw javelins and like scream from a distance
Imagine spamming heroic throw
urban skiff
Accept the overlap and make us barbs from the diablo series
frenzy throw, throw javelin, throw boulders
urban skiff
tbh just let fury play like devoker and give it 25 yard range
people can't kite us either way, might as well make it fun when they try
prime fern
Any idea when conquest is uncapped?
and to get the pvp 4 set is it only from vault or are there other ways?
urban skiff
somewhat close to 10.1.5
on the 12th we get access to catalyst which can upgrade conq pieces to tier pieces
urban skiff
450 ilvl pvp gear
prime fern
Any recomendation on what to craft?
urban skiff
depends on what you want to play
prime fern
Fury
urban skiff
boots are pretty strong first choice.
second choice is up to you and your needs. tomorrow reset we can get third choice
urban skiff
personally i crafted boots + hat and am going to make a ring tomorrow
muted surge
how much is the helmet ?
urban skiff
huh?
urban skiff
I made the molten hat, the one without a base embellishment
muted surge
ah
visual river
do you change your build in any way to do rbgs? Maybe more cleave?
I just take odyns fury instead of onslaught
Also enduring rage slaughterhouse battle trance
Sometimes I might swap out enduring rage for the improved rallying cry but yea enduring is mostly better
runic wharf
dang i feel like bloodrage is a must these days
visual river
Not for rbg
runic wharf
oh, i should learn to red
visual river
I swap out bloodrage for disarm depending on enemy matchup
Battle trance and slaughterhouse are my typical staples.
I really do like enduring rage but yea, blood rage is so damn good
quartz raptor
Asked yesterday and may have gotten a response but is this a good build ? got told to use it while doing 3s BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICkAERTKiQS0ABJSARSCRSSSIJkESkWKhIBJBAAABEE
kinda prefer the one mud put up but was told its the worst thing ever lol
twilit flax
games not dead, check activity
the games pretty dead
alot of the new player 10.0 hype left the game
rotund trellis
oooooooofff
shoulders i already have the very same, gloves is my second tier piece, cloak is crit
visual river
Easy choice , 2pc tier this week
rotund trellis
sorry, meant THIRD
tawny brook
Is it rampage>execute>raging blow>bt as priority?
obsidian loom
we're taking set gloves though, no?
visual river
If you’re crafting the haste proc pants then we take tier helm. If you’re making shadowflame patch helm then we take tier gloves
They are both viable tbh
See how your vault luck goes
I got tier pants from vault so I’m skipping the crafted pants
quartz raptor
just sat in a 42 min queue
twilit flax
blizz can never get it right man. they fix a few things and leave 30 doors open
wonder how many millions theyve left o nthe table over the years
a billion maybe
visual river
it happens man, typically i wfh and sit in queue whilst working lol
it's a lack of healers issue
quartz raptor
42 min and went 2/6 wanted to jump through the window lol
twilit flax
unless ur jobless or a kid
visual river
the good thing about soloq is that you can actually sign up to do other shit like group quests
twilit flax
or the average 22 year old at this point lmao
yeah they knew if they didnt put that in it would be even twice as dead
visual river
i only found out recently rofl, been either working in between queues or herbmining
twilit flax
yeah i farm mats or mog/mounts
and hit the training dummy usually
or i just go play an ult cause i dont wanna sit queu times
quartz raptor
not gonna lie @stark reef i thought for a second that was the trash bin next to bnet and was like he's right lol
quartz raptor
Don’t believe so
worthy fern
to craft a pvp item is the item just rng out of boxes? my main i feel like i got it instantly but havent gotten one on alt yet
worthy fern
@tawny brook yea thats what i remember but idk how
visual river
i got it on an alt from malicia's pvp weekly hoard
lost nova
visual river
4 set on fury, unsure about arms, probs 2
FUCK lol either take a 3ilvl upgrade on cloak or take socket
or hold non tier helm zz
Hmmmm leaning towards helm to convert to tier later then I can maybe craft haste pants too..
tawny brook
Have you seen the stats on the tier helm?
tawny brook
Good
uneven turret
what u guys crafting with 3rd spark?
craggy geyser
any idea how to get to forbidden reach with questline? I dont have the quest on this toon....
full raft
what are we thinking is best way to play with 4 set? Normal annihilator build and just get 1 or 2 stacks of the buff before bloodthirst, or a raging blow build that tries to stack the buff as high as possible before bloodthirst?
tawny brook
any idea how to get to forbidden reach with questline? I dont have the quest on ...
If you need it for bloody tokens you can fly there easily on the new drakes
It wont fatigue you out or anything
tawny brook
Is raging blow worth spending the extra couple talent points to improve it?
thick reef
what u guys crafting with 3rd spark?
maybe bracers. or i could recraft the items with embels i made before that were 437 to 447
rotund trellis
F omnibar is giving me SO MANY lua errors it's insane
tawny brook
what ru guys running for odyns fury.... Dancing Blades or Titanic Rage?
Titanic is better
spring ibex
Hey guys when do haste diminishing returns start on arms/what are the breakpoints?
tight dawn
For Fury I've got the haste conquest weapon, mastery honor weapon, and mastery 447 world pvp weapon. Am I better off using wpvp and honor weapons to stack mastery until I can get a conquest weapon with mastery, or is the dps increase from honor->conquest worth having the worse stat?
visual river
tough choice, i think ilvl is king for weps even if its only 3. it's about 3% enrage mastery you're missing out on though
obsidian loom
@rotund trellis were you just in my ret group for sparks?
dreamy moat
need an addon that audibly plays a "doink" sound effect when using skullsplitter
visual river
weakaura can do that
rotund trellis
<@454316580021731328> were you just in my ret group for sparks?
maybe, thank fuck I completed the quest
dreamy moat
weakaura can do that
i'm intrigued
river trench
debating on race changing my warrior from blood elf to undead or troll, what yall think?
dreamy moat
gotta pay the troll toll
but i mean
we already have a zerker rage for fears
incaps etc
troll gives nice haste
dreamy moat
oh 100% troll
like I said, we have zerker rage for what undead racial already does
less slow time as well with troll racial
river trench
guessing they share a cd? never been undead
is orc still top tier just for the stun passive or has the cc nerfs made them not as important to be?
hot solstice
is vault reset on eu?
stark reef
debating on race changing my warrior from blood elf to undead or troll, what yal...
I’ve you’re swapping for pvp go gnome, human, orc or dark iron
I guess Tauren and nelf work, to
river trench
i guess i should ask since i havent looked super far into it, what are the restrictions for cross faction? all my buddies are on horde.
obsidian loom
Why are you not Chad maghar orc
Fight for the true horde
You can't guild with opposite faction yet but it's coming
dreamy moat
You can't guild with opposite faction yet but it's coming
you can, I think you need to be bnet friends first
river trench
can you still not que with people for just regular dungeons or bgs and what not?
fresh valve
Fight for the true horde
horde died with mop
obsidian loom
river trench
just dont wanna run into a bunch of roadblocks if i wanna lay with my buddies on my main
visual river
cant directly trade with my horde buddies but i can send them ingame mail, dumb
river trench
Alrighty. think ill stick with the horde races then.
obsidian loom
Racials won't really win you many games
They're very minimal
Play whatever you want
rotund trellis
visual river
I am enjoying human, free stun trinket so I can use determination and alacrity instead
Lmao oof that’s unlucky . Can’t let MM free cast their aimed shots. Get free boosted arcane shots that way
The chakram increases damage you take also
humans also get 2% extra secondary stats from all sources its like a free enchant, sources like gear or even stat procs
tawny brook
Sophic/wafting vs sophic/earthen writ vs sophic/sophic
visual river
shadowflame/shadowflame
visual river
they got it early and havent changed probs
woeful solstice
why is pvp so dogshit this patch
woeful solstice
debating on race changing my warrior from blood elf to undead or troll, what yal...
go gnome or go home
im not kidding
caster meta is only going to get worse in which you are likely going to be snared
tawny brook
Idk. 10.0 other than the ret being busted segment was decebt
gaunt notch
so im not crazy right, i can use instead of..
this
for fury pvp
since its 437 in which the blue upgrades to
visual river
Yep it’s fine
thick reef
Until you get your Conq piece yes
gaunt notch
of course
visual river
For fury you have bloodrage on 20s cooldown , odyns on 45, avatar on 1.5mins I think you’re fine to not go gnome . For arms it’s viable since you only have avatar and 1min bladestorm a
Definitely struggling to connect onto boomkins right now even with two warriors training them haha
It’s good to take a break and come back sometimes, did a few games of ss so far today , 3-3, 3-3, 4-2
The 3s were all caster cleaves disgusting
Taking a break now
Actually the 2nd game was 3-0 cos the healer left hahahaha
urban skiff
conq legs in vault and tier i already had. What's the stance on using haste 450 over mastery 437?
gaunt notch
as someone who does pvp and pve.. im often sacricing getting pvp gear for the sake of pve gear, i hate vault
subtle imp
given pvp gear isn't viable in pve and vice versa, they should let you pick an item from both the pvp track and/or the raid/mythic track
that at least solves needing two characters for pve and pvp content
gaunt notch
then theres the spark issue
visual river
You’re gonna need the conq legs, eventually to craft into tier
Id get the legs ?
I only got a minor upgrade today too, 447 cape to 450 lol, but still better than a socket
subtle imp
I got fkn dogshit just like every other vault rofl
urban skiff
What a sad day, I'm on the leaderboard
visual river
Grats
pure widget
Is no one going annihilate or anymore?
woeful solstice
What a sad day, I'm on the leaderboard
bro im still here and i havent qued since the first week of patch
talk about fucking deflated good lord
visual river
Wow solo shuffle top 160 warriors there are 12 arms LOL
gaunt notch
every other warrior fighting with their feet
indigo barn
MMR cap
gaunt notch
also if you had MMR from last season it was super easy to climb
gaunt notch
i just want 1800 for the armor
indigo barn
Just let rank 1s finish there push in the first 2 weeks so I don't have to fight for my life in almost every game at 1800mmr in 3s
gaunt notch
with that said due to blizzards oversight and the omnitoken being able to get the elite pieces.. its just for the helm
visual river
You’ll get there mate
river trench
Have fury warriors been keeping on par with arms here lately?