tanked 200 rating in 2 days between 3s and 2s
#pvp
stark reef
Just checked - I think it’s now his load out 4
The one with onslaught and fully talented bloodthirst
stark reef
Yes but that’s just 1 point
obsidian loom
oh shit im dumb
stark reef
I don’t think you can skip that one
stark reef
The key ones are vicious, gushing wounds, etc
Nw
But yeah, he had that one during the climb from what I saw
Rb is more dam but all sustain gone
I haven’t tried it in a long time but that’s monkaS
obsidian loom
onslaught, avatar, reck, then ramp?
stark reef
Yeah
rotund trellis
I tried. blizz said no.
15 games lost in a row in 2s. tanked from 1750 to god knows how much
lmao
obsidian loom
you can also get perma'ed for saying ions a bad dev in trade chat
unique fox
I'm not a big fan of the raging blow build
perhaps ive just forgotten how to press more than 2 buttons
visual river
State of pvp, roll it with or take a break and come back
Week 1 easy 1800, Last week I was hard stuck 1700, this week easy 1850 again
tawny brook
State of pvp, roll it with or take a break and come back
Week 1 easy 1800, Last...
Complaining is part of the video game experience
“These idiots don’t know how to balance this piece of shit game” and then log on again tomorrow to get mad again
vapid tartan
State of pvp, roll it with or take a break and come back
Week 1 easy 1800, Last...
Doesn’t even feel worth to push past 2.1 rn bc no elite sword
tawny brook
I dont get mad but
vapid tartan
I hope they add the blue ashkandur tint soon
tawny brook
I feel like maybe im missing out on getting mad at vidya. Is it fun?
vapid tartan
Would look nice with dread gladiator alliance set
obsidian loom
im not pushing until i find out wtf happens with locks in 10.1.5
torpid roost
Plz nerf
visual river
All specs buffed
stark reef
im not pushing until i find out wtf happens with locks in 10.1.5
Another round of buffs for affli
visual river
Destro void portal was also buffed
Basically all specs have a few spells up to 15% buffed
stark reef
“Affliction warlock is still underperforming the other specs so we decided to do something experimental and gave it divine protection, blessing of protection & blessing of freedom. We are monitoring the situation closely and will adjust as needed.”
visual river
Doesn’t matter can’t cast spells if being tunneled by fury lol, insta break wall
obsidian loom
afflock damage is wild
i dont think they know what theyre doing
i get its boring to play
but so is arms
stark reef
They just lack the damage to kill someone in a specific window but instead they rot all 3 players super hard
So if you swap a lot, everyone is usually low health if you have an affli with you
Just can’t train a guy the way a destro can
obsidian loom
let me tell you how bad i feel for lock mains
that their third spec isnt s++ tier
😢
tawny brook
Just have to laugh about it sometimes
tawny brook
Destro is easy even while getting focused every round?
visual river
Destro is easy even while getting focused every round?
A good lock will abuse the terrain and portals so they can kite and cast. Get screwed if you try to tank it
It’s like 30s cd to port and 2 min for the gate
They have some ability that gives them move speed when they port too it’s so annoying
I’ve definitely died a few times charging after a lock that ported far away and getting out of my healers range haha
Instantly regret charging
visual river
Omg
thick reef
lol
arms hits so damn hard
give it a try if you haven’t yooo
i put that shit off for 10 years but damn
it’s great
lucid walrus
“These idiots don’t know how to balance this piece of shit game” and then log on...
dude for real
been thinking abt this post a lot
stark reef
been thinking abt this post a lot
People need vices - video games do not cause any harm other than consuming your time so unless you lose control it is probably one of the cheapest and least damaging vices out there.
lucid walrus
People need vices - video games do not cause any harm other than consuming your ...
i think this is talking about people who have been/are NEETs for years
if you have a job and/or set schedule then this is a self-resolving issue
stark reef
Yes, becoming a turbo neet is extremely destructive
lucid walrus
my brain frequently attempts to censor the fact that those savants who have 5-figure numbers of hours on paradox games are real people
stark reef
At that point you’re better off smoking or casually drinking or buying tinder premium or gamble with your disposable income
lucid walrus
i doomed myself to manlet status as a kid by being sucked into shooters and shit tbh
unique fox
I cant fucking wait to no life the shit out of Diablo 4
lucid walrus
hence strong opinions on the matter
stark reef
I’ve always played games, as a teenager it was out of control but as an adult it’s just what I do when I am not busy
unique fox
I took an extra 2 years to graduate university because of TBC lmao
stark reef
I don’t take big vacations, I don’t go out, I just work, lift & play games
unique fox
Yeah i got giga swole at least
stark reef
Lifting and gaming is such a good combo because you can properly rest in the gaming chair with the tendies in the bowl
lucid walrus
i was big into rock climbing in high school and i've been back in my gym since like february
feels phenomenal
stark reef
Lifting + going out sucks - no sleep, alcohol, sore af
obsidian loom
Lifting is life
tawny brook
Lifting is life
Ive been doing squats and changed my diet. Going to look at benches tomorrow. Down 60 so far. This whole fat acceptance thing is what made me want to lose weight. Don’t want to be associated with that, plus fat chicks are gross so it isn’t fair to be a fatass myself
torpid roost
Another round of buffs for affli
affliction probably actually needed it
obsidian loom
Finding a gym partner keeps you honest too, even if your reps suck it's still worth going
Best gains of my life was with a regular that kept me from sleeping in
undone pumice
Ive been doing squats and changed my diet. Going to look at benches tomorrow. ...
Big chad
obsidian loom
If you want to add cardio without running, try rowing
undone pumice
Started losing weight a few months ago, down 100lbs
obsidian loom
I have a C2 at home it's a wonderful machine
undone pumice
If you want to add cardio without running, try rowing
I like yard work as cardio
undone pumice
Pulling out weeds, splitting wood and other shit
obsidian loom
Splitting wood is 
undone pumice
I gotta if i want to not freeze to death in winter
stark reef
Pulling out weeds, splitting wood and other shit
Whenever I have to do manual labor I just look at it like that, have a coffee before and it’s a good time
undone pumice
I always forget my coffee after lwaving ot to cool down so i usually get energy drinks
tawny brook
Swimming is my favorite
undone pumice
Less healthy but gets the job of waking me up done
tawny brook
I can do that shit all day
undone pumice
And with friends you can also do waterwrestling which is fun af
stark reef
Fkn shit city
tawny brook
And doesn’t your body try to regulate temps around you the entire time so you burn crazy calories
stark reef
Swimming is also super good for joints compared to other cardio
undone pumice
I hop in the cold pool befofe workout usually
stark reef
Lots of pro athletes do water based training to save their joints and still get their muscles working
undone pumice
Water is also resistance
stark reef
George St. Pierre was big on that
undone pumice
Swimming = gains
tawny brook
Losing weight gets addictive, especially if you are really big where 20 pounds doesnt show
stark reef
Yeah if you actually go hard swimming you’ll get pretty wide - most swimmers look like Doritos
tawny brook
Looking over at a mirror and being a couple inches less thicc is peak comfy
undone pumice
Losing weight gets addictive, especially if you are really big where 20 pounds d...
Making hwalthier choices and chiseling your body out of the fat or skinniness it was is fuckijg amazing
Looking in a mirror passing by and seeing actual muscle definition was the biggest jumpscare i had in a long time
stark reef
Buggenhagen 
My goal is to be able to lift my wife the way he can lift his
🤣
The wife-lift videos are the best content
tawny brook
undone pumice
My goal is to be able to lift my wife the way he can lift his
How he has not decapitated himself is a mystery
Garlic + honey + cat puke towel is his pre workout before doing the most ridicilous zercher lift to mog the snakes in his backyard sandbox
stark reef
No, he’s deadlifting one a skate-board
tawny brook
I can’t consider myself a true man until I can bench press my own weight
That should be bare minimum
stark reef
This right there
It’s the hardest part, to, because there is nothing on any given day you can do about it. Just have to show up over and over again.
Most people can go hard a few times a month but going several days a week for months and years is what really makes the difference
Started when I was 16, now I’m 30, it’s second nature but there’s always a reason “to just not go today” but that’s what makes the difference over time. Those days where you know you should but your head tries to chicken out of it
visual river
30 eh? This is where everything starts going downhill 👌
unique fox
No you still have until like 33 or 34, THEN it starts to go downhill
woeful solstice
lol the whole "30 is downhill" is pure fucking cope
its downhill if you dont give a fuck about your body and accept being a medicore fucking dork
if you are a slob then yeah man, it's downhill
stark reef
Definitely feeling better than ever and I feel like once you actually feel like things go downhill you can just hop on TRT and go strong for another 20 years.
vagrant thistle
i keep getting absolutely wrecked in pvp, anyone have any fury warrior pvp roation/build guides?
stark reef
Bajheera just released a video 2 days ago, I’d check that first for basic stuff
woeful solstice
Definitely feeling better than ever and I feel like once you actually feel like ...
bingo
visual river
His suggested rotation / priority is weird
Also he’s still in arms gear in his vid and explanations , I glanced it quickly without sound lol
mild thunder
His suggested rotation / priority is weird
How so?
visual river
So his video’s rotation was different to his actual rotation and he recorrects himself later in the vid
He explains to open with charge, whirlwind, big macro, onslaught , bt , rampage
Forgets to roar in the rotation
But recorrects it later in the vid without cds / gives a different rotation
He did this before in his arms sks video also, explains one thing then recorrects himself later in the vid lol
Not sure if he was taking clips from his stream or something which is why it wasn’t a polished vid , just imo
lean burrow
He did this before in his arms sks video also, explains one thing then recorrect...
i remember that video
he names three different rotations for sks
"mortal strike, rend, warbreaker, uuh, skullsplitter, mortal strike"
and then icons on screen appearing in different order
visual river
That was a fucking long video too , hate those “in-depth” guides videos where it’s mostly babble, just get to the point correctly, Show 1-2 extra examples, done . good vid
Nope here’s a 40min video so I can slot in a yt ad every 3mins fuck you
Extra points if you add chapters to the vids so people can skip to the section they actually need
spice hornet
30s is the new 20s but with money
lyric gyro
Am I supposed to space out odyn's fury with avatar/titan's torment or does it stack?
lean burrow
think it should stack with 2 seconds left on debuff?
inner elbow
visual river
When you avatar you cast odyns fury which gives you an improved whirlwind proc on 2 next single target abilities you use therefore you should space out avatar reck and odyns fury by two gcds
Basically avatar wreck (and roar) macro, rampage bloodthirst , then use your odyns fury, which will give you another 2 improved whirlwind procs to use on likely another rampage blood thirst
Sometimes people try to root you during the two gcds in between avatar macro and odyns fury so it’s a free root break also having spaced the abilities apart to use up your whirlwind proc
tawny brook
30s have been the best years so far
mild thunder
Am I supposed to space out odyn's fury with avatar/titan's torment or does it st...
Yes
Iirc it’s like 1.4s left for pandemic duration, so just wait out to about 1s left on the initial bleed and then pop OF
Ramp > reck/avatar > ramp > TRoar > bt to ramp > OF
Basically
wanton siren
Fury seems to be pumping a lot harder in 2s and 3s vs shuffle where you often see it go 0/6
I got a 15 win streak in 2s with it it was hella fun
shy aurora
Wtf is it with shuffle. Im 1798 rating play 3x lobby where i go 4-2 all. I gained 2 rating on all those
Then i went 1-5 and lost 82 points
torpid roost
this game fucking hates me
still at 1400mmr.... this alt has been at 2400-something ffs
visual river
fury is most definitely not doing 0-6 in shuffles lol
very odd you're gaining 2 rating with a 4-2, typically if you're gaining 0s with 3/6 you're only gaining about 20-25rating per win over 3, maybe its worth waiting for the ratings to inflate a bit before you try again
or the vault reset the very least
shy aurora
fury is most definitely not doing 0-6 in shuffles lol
Yeah i was very confused
fickle forge
fury is most definitely not doing 0-6 in shuffles lol
Average fury player victim mentality
undone pumice
Lmao what
wispy drum
Swimming is also super good for joints compared to other cardio
I'm super late to this conversation, but I've been using swimming as my main form of physio (lost almost all muscle due to being bedbound for over a year) and it's fucking amazing. Went from being unable to walk, to now having muscle definition in my calves and arms.
I just wanna hype it up. It's great.
thick reef
I'm super late to this conversation, but I've been using swimming as my main for...
that’s huge 💪🏻💪🏻
frank violet
What are people using for their embellishments for arms?
obsidian loom
Average fury player victim mentality
Meirl
obsidian loom
What are people using for their embellishments for arms?
Use whatever they're all trash, I have helm with shadowpatch
obsidian loom
We should be more like locks
Literally screetch any time anyone says something bad about warriors
undone pumice
how is positivity = loser mindset
fickle forge
Locks, mages, rogues and fury warrs all share the same level of victimhood mentality
obsidian loom
Demand buffs
undone pumice
karg do me a favor
become a philosopher and write books about the machinations of your mind
love to read them
fickle forge
obsidian loom
Modern Diogenes
fickle forge
I'm talking about the guy saying fury often goes 0-6 in shuffle though
Lmao
Not the guy I actually replied to
obsidian loom
He shit posts from under the bridge
copper hare
that arena "map pool" thing might be the worst idea they ever had
bright stream
whats arms dam like atm? I'm barely playing but it seems kinda meh
stark reef
I'm super late to this conversation, but I've been using swimming as my main for...
Wow, that’s amazing! Well well done!
torpid roost
The usual, if we make contact and they're not under a cooldown, we're fairly oppressive
iron fractal
So what's a good item to get after the Infurious boots?
fickle forge
whats arms dam like atm? I'm barely playing but it seems kinda meh
It's good if you can actually connect
median shuttle
Play gnome it helps :3
The dam feels solid but definitely not quite on the same level as a lot of the meta specs rn
Thats more a case of those specs being busted than arms being bad
rotund trellis
well balanced class
shy aurora
How does 3s feel now? Full og rank1 on 1600?
rotund trellis
I lost 200 mmr in 2 days across 3s and 2s. from 1750 to 1660ish
on both ladders
i don't know wtf is happening, it's probably me sucking, but it felt rough last couple of days
obsidian loom
current meta of the meta is to hit 1800 and afk for 2 months
rotund trellis
yeah I can see that
obsidian loom
why go insane fighting boomy/lock
rotund trellis
I won't hit 1800 even this season though, if it keeps going as it is going now.
round holly
should i just macro sharpen blade onto MS
round holly
yeah fuck it,
too many buttons, I play fury in pve and arms in pvp and im easily confused and can't read good
muted surge
should i just macro sharpen blade onto MS
No
boreal stone
should i just macro sharpen blade onto MS
absolutley not, wtf
rotund trellis
🙌
stark reef
Time to hit the weights and then it's time to gun for Rank 1
muted surge
2.2 rank 7, mhm
muted surge
No, it’s not about believing you my dude
stark reef
Oh, I see
magic wing
Retarded blizzard forgot to nerf boomkin
muted surge
I just feel discouraged that r1s are at 2.1-2.3 in ss and 3s
stark reef
But yeah, wars struggling - still no solo 2.4k
muted surge
Feels kinda pointless to play atm
stark reef
1 war 2.5k in 3s but that's it
rotund trellis
so you're telling me that top 1000 in the world starts from 1847? in 2v2? wow
magic wing
But ofc warrior was the most broken class, gotta dumpster it
magic wing
so you're telling me that top 1000 in the world starts from 1847? in 2v2? wow
No reason to pvp atm
stark reef
so you're telling me that top 1000 in the world starts from 1847? in 2v2? wow
That's why you shouldn't get too tilted of losing a few points - if you're playing in the 1600 - 1800 range you're playing vs. solid players
muted surge
And without that we are but a husk of our former self
rotund trellis
3s are a little bit better startin around 1950ish
muted surge
But ngl I don’t think I will play ss this season
stark reef
Whilst 3s is certainly very legit it rewards things past the class - a good team probably can pull of 3-5 comps and dominate
muted surge
20-40 min queue for hardly any points
stark reef
So swapping in and out a war won't really make or break a r1 team
unless the class is total ass, which it is not
their set-ups are still crisp, they have strong synergy and a good gameplan
I'd say shuffle is best place to gauge actual class strength on it's own - ofc that can also change if you're in a comp that enables you
Looking at locks in shuffle 🤣
top 10 is 2.3k+
Eli also super cooked
karmic dawn
hi!, im mostly pve player, but i want to get into pvp, the thing is I dont have any honor to start buying equip, and when i enter skirmish to try and farm, people have like the double hp I have. my question is how can I get started in pvp if i cant even win a single skirmish ):
karmic dawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchOyg4UnXQ&ab_channel=SkillCappedWoWGuides
thank youu 
❤️
iron fractal
Is Leeching strikes worth using?
vapid tartan
The 5% leech?
iron fractal
Ye
vapid tartan
If you can take it
But don’t change up the tree over it
Gives you a bjt more sustain
iron fractal
Trying to find a fun build for fury when doing bg's.
past silo
fury vs arms for pvp rn?
stark reef
They’re equal
iron fractal
They’re equal
The haste pants for my second crafting?
stark reef
Yeah, I recommend it
It’s a minimum of 1k haste/round with a max somewhere in the high 3k’s
People can’t heal through that
boreal ridge
if this isnt the place for it feel free to remove, but lf a warrior to push rating with on my enhance feel free to send a message 2.1k+ xp
teal hedge
Turns out I can do 90kgx5 with deadlifts.
stark reef
@elfin surge
wheat jay
teal hedge
Knock knees sounds heavily disturbing to live with
It's a defect I inherited from my epic dad
No idea if there's a way to fix it
craggy geyser
hi!, im mostly pve player, but i want to get into pvp, the thing is I dont have ...
Do normal BGs......
vagrant thistle
are furys just bad in pvp or am i doing it wrong
i feel like im doing it wrong and im just bad tbh... i keep getting wrekd
stark reef
Yeah, it’s the later
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032>
stark reef
wheat jay
Retail is pve game now
stark reef
Retail is pve game now
visual river
Fury has been amazing rbgs, people still not expecting 200k dps roar rampages off the bat lol, insane cd usage when you charge into 3 healers and the lock in the back line
stark reef
People not inviting fury because it’s not meta was reason I quit retail last time
Mmr based match-making for M+ could be fun and would actually let you play your class/spec
Penalize people for leaving group before 15min
Can vote to ff
Any system that allows me to flame my healer and still get to play works for me
🤝
obsidian loom
I got chat banned once for asking the healer if he was always that bad or he had a stroke
I didn't bother appealing
tawny brook
Which healer does the most damage currently
obsidian loom
None
lucid walrus
disc maybe
obsidian loom
No healers should be doing damage
tawny brook
No healers should be doing damage
??
lucid walrus
lemme see if some still take stormkeeper
obsidian loom
I die so many times to discs getting lost in casting mindblast
tawny brook
Ive seen discs do a significant amount in a round
obsidian loom
It's like 6k dps
stark reef
I got chat banned once for asking the healer if he was always that bad or he had...
Lmao, last guild I was in the other warrior always sperged out at the healers between pulls
His name on details was “mental boom” and he’d always lose his shit
🤣
He got genuinely upset as if someone pissed in his cereal whenever he died
obsidian loom
I'm pretty patient but man
lucid walrus
was taking my 1600 peak irl bud through 2s on his disc. this 2700xp monk decides to fistweave into an arms warrior for some godforsaken reason
couldn't help myself w/ questioning his thought process after the game
stark reef
He always muted himself 15min into raid night
Healer dies to spikes on painsmith - discord dead silent - he just goes: “are you serious?!”
-> mutes himself
lucid walrus
lmfao
obsidian loom
I asked a guy during EN prog who was parsing gray if he had keybinds sarcastically
lucid walrus
raiding has always felt like meme content to me
lucid walrus
we had this ret who was like 40something doing heroic w/ an old guild of mine. he's barely doing more than autoattack dps
the first thing he says an hour into the raid is "i think this edible is kicking in"
obsidian loom
stark reef
the first thing he says an hour into the raid is "i think this edible is kicking...
🤣
Another classic - after prog we’d always sit together and discuss. As we wipe on last pull the warrior goes “is it that hard to play the game?!” -> leaves discord
Logs out, comes back 2hrs later, sits alone in other channel
Hahaha
stark reef
He was definitely a good player, learned a lot from him but he tilted so extremely hard
teal willow
stark reef
man what's the point
He had to make sure people know he’s technically available but not in the mood to talk
wispy drum
Fury has been amazing rbgs, people still not expecting 200k dps roar rampages of...
I've been playing death wish on D and they can't really do shit without duo healing O lmao
obsidian loom
I miss guild drama, most guilds are just hasty hearth buffs
visual river
Haha so true , I’m in one of the largest PvP guilds in my server they host multiple core rbg teams. Literally crush them with yolo teams without discord so I’m only there for the hearthstone cd
There has been a couple of standout players though (a guild crafter and a gentleman who gave me a free shadowflame wep enchant)
undone pumice
Scrumptious
tawny brook
What class can just apply dots and run for their lives?
mild thunder
What class can just apply dots and run for their lives?
Feral
visual river
Are ferals still popping in and out of cat form to cyclone 5pt people?
stark reef
dvoker, pvoker, boomkin, shadow, disc
what a fucking dogshit lobby
they just oneshot each other randomly...
lucid walrus
Are ferals still popping in and out of cat form to cyclone 5pt people?
pretty sure
seen em do it in 2s anyway. the shuffle ones seem to go balls to the wall
obsidian loom
magnus streaming 2k rss as fury rn
2 locks and an arms
its brutal
destro/aff just eat arms/fury
1-4 so far
tawny brook
Healers got tankier recently didnt they?
elfin surge
little man mag?
obsidian loom
yeeah
elfin surge
5'4 mag?
elfin surge
KEK
obsidian loom
was a rough 2-4
stark reef
1-4 so far
Mans probably running medallion like a doofus
obsidian loom
max crit
stark reef
Only one way to deal with this wizard mania:
This will also be my honest reaction when I take R1 from the blizzard employee.
obsidian loom
how many buckets of sweat does it take for R1
stark reef
it's fine, just all casters now
the occasional ret going 1/5
haven't seen a warrior in 300 pts
boomkin/shadow/destro/eli
every lobby
obsidian loom
pretty much
i dont think ive had a shuffle without boomy/destro in the last 2 weeks
maybe one or two
stark reef
last one was so tilting - 2 games ended with oneshot in opener
boomkin vs. dvoker
was healer diff but still went 2/4 because the one game my sp couldn't find his wall in time
so boomkin + dvoker just deleted him on horseback
stark reef
checks out
stark reef
so yeah, those mages at 2200 aren't "insane" - occassionally someone is clearly very good like that maxvilla mage or numbing on arcane but most just play the broken spec and often actually do some real stupid stuff
stark reef
2200 on destro is top 70 or something
so the real destro mains you won't see below 2350
stark reef
yeah
the only thing i noticed in the last 200pts is swaps are cleaner but tbh, i almost find that easier to play because just hitting what you can wins you games
obsidian loom
destro mains literally cannot fathom they're op
stark reef
at 1800 you HAVE to kill the kill-target because someone on your team will die otherwise
stark reef
at 2200 they roll defensives better so you just hit what's close, chill in dstance, make sure they hit you over your mage buddy, whoever bullies you mage you hit and pray
Tuned into stream - lmao
🤣
Fkn warrior mains
tawny brook
Based open relationship judger
stark reef
I will never understand why people obsess over e-girls - on the street they're completely mid
obsidian loom
imagine paying women on the internet
stark reef
Literally sit at your local Zara and see who's shopping and you'll see someone every 30min that runs circles around anything on twitch
Or just go to the beach
every lobby
tawny brook
Oh yea. Media and entertainment women aren’t nearly as attractive as just going out in public. Whoever does the scouting for 10s on tv needs to get fired
stark reef
#showtooltip Recklessness
/use 14
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/cast Thunderous Roar
stark reef
Badge
lucid walrus
i cant believe theres only 16 arms above 2200
lots probably stop at 2100 rn
unique fox
Blizz needs to fix the way they handle inflation between seasons
stark reef
Yeah, it's all casters above, 2 lobbies now super aids to play just class wise
unique fox
So whack that we just dont queue for 3 months lol
stark reef
Sp, Affli, Demo..
SP started talking shit like he has any idea what it's like to play war into a lobby like that 🤣
stark reef
Yes
torpid bridge
i see in the pin there is 3 diff fury builds
are they situational or just preference
lucid walrus
pretty much preference
lucid walrus
if you're fresh to the spec there's no reason you'd know that
the creativity is neat
lucid walrus
anni build is pretty straightforward yeah
obsidian loom
lots probably stop at 2100 rn
yeah but same with other classes
obsidian loom
Glad they're helping out Affli locks
i wonder if blizzard actually tests anything
or just see "huh no one plays afflock but plays the other two, maybe it needs a buff"
obsidian loom
So whack that we just dont queue for 3 months lol
its pretty fubar but idk a better system
they could add rating decay but people would lose their fucking minds
obsidian loom
meirl
stark reef
After that SP started talking shit it got personal
obsidian loom
lol my firend's discord is titled saltmines
all washed wow players wondering why i do this to myself
stark reef
Sp called me a "hardstuck 2.1k warrior with shit damage" - all I needed for this next lobby
obsidian loom
ask him how many funko pops he has on his desk
stark reef
Hahaha, I somehow can't cross-server dm people unless they dm me
I have to make an alt on their server
But after this lobby I might just do that, check in with the man, see what's up
obsidian loom
one time i told a guy raging at me in dm's im playing with a controller
he got so fucking mad he told me to plug in my keyboard
i said "no" and didnt reply after that
he lost his mind
especially after i won the next round
vapid tartan
Hope we get more melees once conq cap removed
stark reef
Time to check in with the man
vapid tartan
You can cross server dm
obsidian loom
Hope we get more melees once conq cap removed
stark reef
idk why i can't, probably better
vapid tartan
You have to add -(server name)
After their name
Like roxi-tichondrius for example
vapid tartan
Ya
stark reef
Ez
vapid tartan
Doesn’t work cross faction tho
vapid tartan
Fuck these caster cucks
How does the tempo of those games feel
stark reef
Bad, very bad - my damage is extremely low, i get pelted every round and it's mostly about mobility
eventually they los so you stun healer and rush the guy
Literally just tanking
But 13 procs on pants
But yeah, if you leave dstance at the wrong time you're just dead but once they start running around you can get a few hits in zerker before swapping back - got more comfortable in later rounds, this was first one
obsidian loom
yeah my shuffles over 1800 i just basically wait till healing doesnt do anything and burst the softest target without defensives
like a rogue without stealth
stark reef
Yeah, that's best way to put it
I still send all offensives on CD but it's just to soften targets, swapping on defensives, trying to get another one in the same window
Hitting closest wizard is key mantra now
vapid tartan
Hm so with that uptime battle trance kinda useless huh
tawny brook
Blood rage and occasionally disarm if a good melee ever shows up
stark reef
Hm so with that uptime battle trance kinda useless huh
True - great call
Didn't even think about that
vapid tartan
I fucked around with death wish in bgs
stark reef
Prob will just run DW on that slot yeah, even if I don't press it every round, having the option helps
vapid tartan
It’s pretty ridiculous scared to try it in arena cause healer might not be expecting it
stark reef
You'd never use it in a situation where your healer is in control in the first place
You use it when everything falls apart
stark reef
There is usually a moment where you think "oh shit, this might be it - that's when you use DW" - the sooner you recognize this, the better though
vapid tartan
for sure, I think it could be useful in later rounds where 1 person has been getting focused all game and they’re on your team
stark reef
It is really nasty in the meta though because they do so much cleave damage
vapid tartan
Get a surprise burst if they play too greedy
stark reef
Using it into affli/eli/dvoker, even demo, they don't actively have to focus you to get rekt
I'll mess around with it - other option is Warbringer, the CC is always neet if anything
Death Sentence also ok
But I think DW is the play, second set of CD's you usually get away with it at a low risk, at least 1 stack
vapid tartan
I’d be scared to run it into other melee
stark reef
Feeling more comfortable there, at least you know exactly when they do dmg
vapid tartan
How are we feeling about enduring rage? Hasn’t felt super useful
stark reef
don't run it into cleave but perfect into meele/ranged if you train ranged
stark reef
How are we feeling about enduring rage? Hasn’t felt super useful
One of my favorites
Very good
Tons of free reck
vapid tartan
Hm I’ll try and keep track of procs ig
stark reef
If I get an isignia proc and reck it's almost like i use avatar/reck out of nowhere
stark reef
Hm I’ll try and keep track of procs ig
Check uptime with and without
vapid tartan
I’ve been going slaughterhouse/bloodrage/fill
stark reef
I don't need bloodrage as gnome but it's good
would run otherwise
But yeah, check this out
Vs. high CC lobby
vapid tartan
Yeah it’s also nice 40 rage on demand
stark reef
This just kills wizzards because you're always a threat with reck up
stark reef
This was into double lock so that's the most cc you'll get but yeah, won that one
6 applications, 7 refresh
Buff is "Prepared Time"
Over 1min on buff at different stacks
vapid tartan
Yeah that looks real good tbh
Are you going out of regular rotation to whirlwind adds and stuff for procs?
stark reef
Even the fail case is 1k haste, feeling confident to recommend it
vapid tartan
Or is that all from odyn and roar
stark reef
Are you going out of regular rotation to whirlwind adds and stuff for procs?
Never, playing normal game
Odyn's & Shockwave are the main ones to proc it
But never thinking about it
Roar, to, right
So yeah, plenty
vapid tartan
Yeah lookin really convincing I’m really curious how it will do with arms
stark reef
Probably similar/better, even more cleave on arms
stark reef
Only downside is mastery isn't as good but that's just 1 stat
vapid tartan
Haste mast is fine I think
stark reef
Yeah, i'd def run this on arms over current options
vapid tartan
we Alr going mast after haste
stark reef
I see
vapid tartan
Arms 4p just feels so meh for arena
like you’re pretty much always hitting ms on cd not much time to let 3 stacks without sks
obsidian loom
What's our fury 4p
Are we taking helm?
Shoulders and chest are correct itemization but the rest are shit
stark reef
Are we taking helm?
Helm is worst piece which is why a lot of people made molten helm
But yeah, I'll have to take helm since I use legs for 2nd embellishment
obsidian loom
Yea I did embellishment for helm
stark reef
Yeah, that's all g
I am sure over time you'll have a few pieces you pick as you see fit for specific rounds
That's what I plan on doing
tawny brook
Is fury going 4p?
stark reef
Definitely
indigo barn
I think we are going to see someone pull a 250k bloodbath this season due to 4 set
stark reef
Everyone is looking to run rb but my first thought is to keep the build and take each boost individually - don’t see the point of stacking it 4 times
We will see
indigo barn
I was running smexxins/mags fury build where they run hack and slash over triple RB charges and could rampage at least 5 times before I'd come to any issues with needing to hit BT
stark reef
I have to try it for sure
I feel like it’s better in 2s and 3s but shouldn’t comment on things I haven’t tried
And those guys are obviously miles ahead
unique fox
Dont worry im sure if the fury 4pc is too strong blizz will waste no time nerfing it
urban skiff
Dont worry im sure if the fury 4pc is too strong blizz will waste no time nerfin...
to distract from the lack of nerfs to rogue, mage, destro, boomie, etc right?
do i go with conq haste/vers belt or should i craft mastery vers for fury?
stark reef
Once you have enough conq I’m p sure the play is full mastery
urban skiff
with haste?
urban skiff
Ah yea
next reset we'll have our third spark
that's two vaults and 1200 conq in two resets
We get first catalyst on third reset from now, so that's guaranteed 4set, and 1750 conq where 875 has to be saved for buying a tier pants / chest if none drop from next 3 vaults
also have to save another 525 x2 for next two crafts: belt + finger
if my next two vaults aren't complete shit I'm almost full geared by the time we get catalyst
lucid walrus
yea ditto
missed a week of trophies but got 2p last week so zero reason to complain
copper hare
is the 2.1 enchant already out this time? worth pushing quick or?
visual river
you can get scalewarden 447 belt next week too since they are both haste slots only, can probably turn it into molten mastery vers belt when you have spare sparks
can get titanic ring with next spark as well as conq mastery ring
green wyvern
is the 2.1 enchant already out this time? worth pushing quick or?
doesn't look that good
copper hare
which one is it, the fire one?
green wyvern
red one
ye
shadow flame
red/purple
it has the same model that all other primal enchants use
copper hare
primal earth and primal air are also in the game and available to inspect I see
green wyvern
it can be decent, depending on the weapon
urban skiff
you can get scalewarden 447 belt next week too since they are both haste slots o...
with nothing else to spend strife on i suppose i can use it for ilvls until crafting belt
visual river
yep, assuming you have done Sparks Quest these past weeks you should have enough for Offhand, wrist, back and then belt next week at 447s
urban skiff
sitting at 650k health already feels unreal
visual river
wrist being the only one you dont replace at all, unless you change it to molten as well later with a spark
yea its amazing haha 50% mastery and 34% vers right now
urban skiff
thinking about swapping off of determination and grabbing the mastery over 90% instead
visual river
determination trinket ?
urban skiff
no the embellishment
visual river
oh the gathering storm
visual river
im using shadowflame patch, as melee i dont feel like we're 100% hp often
if you're ranged maybe
you're better off crafting the haste pants, at least you're guaranteed 170 - 340 haste by attacking and cleaving 1-2 targets or even 5 targets in rbg for 5 stacks of 170
urban skiff
sometimes we get flat out ignored
urban skiff
you're better off crafting the haste pants, at least you're guaranteed 170 - 340...
apparently it doesn't reset during arena
visual river
hm, even if you keep changing rounds?
if not then you can probs only get 30-45seconds of it tops in a 3v3...
im gonna craft titanic ring without embelishment (well fed buff is not embelishment) with my next spark, 450 titanic ring is 650 vers and mastery
visual river
patch is still 1-3% damage for me, its ok... im getting 6-8% on shadowflame wep
boreal stone
I was running smexxins/mags fury build where they run hack and slash over triple...
there is no noticeable difference, jsut kinda what u prefer. if u can get a ton of rampages out, then hack and slash prob better. play whichever u prefer
urban skiff
patch is still 1-3% damage for me, its ok... im getting 6-8% on shadowflame wep
gathering storm is also 1-3 % for me
it's so "meh"
visual river
please test mastery uptime for me hehe, it's cheaper than me testing with my flame patch
urban skiff
at least gathering storm crits after a long while has a chance to add a lot of oomph once i connect again
visual river
but i know for sure in RBG blue linnen is largely wasted, im frontliner
visual river
most people hard stuck 1600-1800 in rbg right now, im at 1620? gaining 15 rating a win right now lol
lose 7 though so thats ok
urban skiff
i'm at 1650 2v2 and haven't really bothered in solo shuffle until the sweaty people made it either up or down from my MMR
visual river
i've had a great week for SS, maybe its the gear curve
urban skiff
fury always behind though
visual river
last week was horrible
not this time, since we have scalewarden gear to offset missing conq
not as much? lol
urban skiff
casters this week will have offhand + pne extra piece and like 500 conq ahead as well
so 1½ - 2 pieces ahead
visual river
i took a break from warr a few days to play boomy, came back to warr and climbed 1700 to 1850 so was happy with that
ah fair enough, i am seeing a few 445s in rbgs right now
im 444
urban skiff
i'll probably stop at 1800 warr and focus on evoker entirely
visual river
but most are still 440 marks
urban skiff
so i'm savoring the time until 1800 and not rushing it
visual river
plenty of time in the season
urban skiff
when i get 4set i'll make the push. i enjoy being ahead
because i'm too bad to go anywhere on a level playing field
visual river
2 set is really good already 5% buff in PvP to rampage
The 4set is a minor upgrade to anni build unless you go raging blow build which will make us lose a lot of our sustain
vagrant thistle
noooo i accidently spent my only 700 conquest on the trinket 😦
is it still a good investment or did i accidently just waste my conquest lol. i got critical strike aswell
woeful solstice
rip
visual river
All good just 1 conq week behind , make use of it
muted surge
But tbf
You are trying to buy the cheap items
And get the expensive shit from the vault
So not a huge loss, unless you take vault for pve
vagrant thistle
i take vault for pve
my ilvl is only 418 right now i usually push keys mainly but im going for elite set this season
urban skiff
What effects do you guys think Aug evoker will have on the meta?
urban skiff
You have access to sharpen so by design it wouldn't make sense for you to have the same damage as everybody else
That said, boomie and UH both do a lot of pokes/splash damage that just looks good on meters but doesn't assist in getting kills
muted surge
i guess
visual river
Omg that heal got 4-2 and only gained 11 rating disgusting
lost nova
dreamy moat
undone pumice
Bajheera
dreamy moat
it grows
undone pumice
Bajheeraeera
past sleet
Guys which enchant on weapon for pvp?
stark reef
Shadowflame Wreathe
swift folio
are the crafted pieces you need the same as last season ?
swift folio
which embelishment do you use ?
stark reef
Infurious boots and frostfire legguards is what I use
Fair warning - others use other embellishment for 2nd. Do your own research
boreal stone
are the crafted pieces you need the same as last season ?
If you want to min max, make the helmet and boots. Make sure to craft the helmet u can pick the stats on, probably add either the mastery above 90% or the shadow flame patch as embellishment. Also worth holding off on a second embellishment in case lariat is better than the mastery one
The boots are the same ones from last season, the extra main stat is good
teal hedge
Ion even have any time to play rn
10 days until I graduate
And all of my classes have to be finished by this friday
But then the grind is on
fossil mortar
Gl Fungi 
wheat jay
"Ignore the war, just CC, has no trinket"
In my case it would be "retard has no trinket, fucking nuke him"
But hey, pugs be pugging xD
stark reef
In my case it would be "retard has no trinket, fucking nuke him"
🤣
I feel like such an ape with my set-up but if it works it works as a wise man once said
wheat jay
True
wheat jay
Y'all seen venruki's new video about pvp and mmr/rewards?
Man's spitting facts like a machine gun
wheat jay
66 rating to Rank 1
at what cr?
stark reef
R1 is 2334, I am 2269 rn
Def feels like I can run right through 2.4k with current set-up but also won't be shocked if I eventually run into people that don't just get run over by a total chimp
wheat jay
stark reef
Thing is, I went 4/2 back to back, got +24 each playing vs. R1 shadowpriests...
Whazz at 2401
🤣
urban skiff
What are some 2v2 and 3v3 comps that aren't destined to be R1 mglad potential but are just SSS+ tier fun to play?
I know i should find enh if I want it easy but there are so many bad ones and i don't feel like i get to mindlessly zug around as much as i should at 1600
woeful solstice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2AwZYpJmqw
despite the clickbait
he's entirely right
i am literally fresh off s1 glad and am not bothering pushing for s2 glad until prob the last 2 months
stark reef
1/5, -60 rating vs frost DK - can't win with, can't win against....
I think I have to target DK, can't ignore in this meta
wheat jay
i am literally fresh off s1 glad and am not bothering pushing for s2 glad until ...
i don't think i'll push at all
cuz its just so annoying
wheat jay
to wait for ladder to sort itself out
and when its sorted and i have all the gear and shit
woeful solstice
if it was just slightly better balanced like dota or something id be much more enthused
woeful solstice
and when its sorted and i have all the gear and shit
nerfed
wheat jay
i probably will be so out of practice and out of time that i won't knock glad in 2 weeks
or a month
woeful solstice
i just dont want to start now
assuming szn ends in like what, december?
prob good to start oct
wheat jay
ye
meanwhile if it was good to go from the start
i'd have what, half a year to get glad?
woeful solstice
yea
wheat jay
and that's manageable
and i dont play meta
far from it even xd
kfc never meta
and it would be arms/survi
woeful solstice
wheat jay
so ye
id play from now on literally
to get glad
if i didn't have to wait for it to be possible without having to play at awc level
xD
stark reef
Gaining +24 rating for 3x 4/2 and losing -60 in 1 bad game definitely is a good time
But unfortunately that's how mmr works
stark reef
Idk, I feel like it's fine but I also haven't played prior seasons
woeful solstice
yea its bad rn
roxi
100%
havent seen the early season deflation this bad
its like they cant find a happy middleground
SS deflation is good but rated is bad
ss NEEDS deflation, fucking 3k dorks with inflated egos finally getting a reality check
stark reef
I just got reality checked running Death Wish into DK/Lock
I definitely like the idea of SS having lower ratings than 3s and 2s, I think that's organic because you can infact "play at a higher level" in coordinated play
I think rating should reflect that
woeful solstice
exactly
imo for a solid pvper, it should be harder to climb in ss not easier lol
you make SS the crack hit for arena
not the replacement
woeful solstice
imo for a solid pvper, it should be harder to climb in ss not easier lol
this sounds weird but im stating it within the context of someone who doesnt pvp at all and ques SS versus an experienced arena player
premium arena experience is behind 3s
stark reef
I mean SS rewards good individual play but 3s require a lot more than that to achieve the same ladder standing so I think the number itself should reflect that
woeful solstice
exactly
lean burrow
wasn't playing for 2 weeks, how's inflation in ss now?
wheat jay
btw
were you guys bothered by s2 glad and s4 bfa glad being easier to get than lets say shadowlands s4?
wheat jay
fair enough
stark reef
<:okayge:917646812519739433> wasn't playing for 2 weeks, how's inflation in ss n...
Non-existent
Still no war at 2.4k
Boomkin 6/0 lobby
lean burrow
giga cringe
stark reef
stark reef
Man I was so close to R1 and now it's just aids lobbies, might also just play bad now
Demo/feral/boomkin - no comp has enough damage to kill the boomkin
torpid roost
I scream internally every time somebody wants to go on the boomie
stark reef
I always go boomie because otherwise it’s over anyways
torpid roost
You off-cc/kick them
stark reef
I mean the guy ccs everyone and does most damage by a mile
Root beam healer, atomic bomb you and your team-mate
torpid roost
Or focus them if it's boom melee because you can just cleave the melee
stark reef
Their cc doesn’t even dr itself
It’s all different stuff
4sec stun, 6sec cyclone, perma-silence
stark reef
I think into these super meta comps you have to run a sustain build w/ death wish as 3rd talent to close out kills because what happens with my burst build I can't stay in and with my sustain build I don't have kill-pressure
Giving this a go
Dropped Enduring Rage for this - it's not enough pressure imo into a boomkin or lock
lean burrow
opal acorn
so, into those full caster lobbies all we can do is suffer?
green anchor
woeful solstice
r/worldofpvp is just a stream of constant copium holy shit
reeeee i cant get my elite appearance it was so ez last season!
urban skiff
I think rating should reflect that
i think rating should be removed or based entirely on a ladder
urban skiff
Roll back to vanilla and calculate positions once per week
and remove cap on gains/losses of rating
if we have to keep ratings
and also also make it zero sum rating transfers. Literally take rating from the people you beat
urban skiff
I'm surprised how well i deal with moonkins and destros as fury
definitely easier than on my devoker
stark reef
Yeah, things that really piss in my cereal are dvoker and dk, just because i can't play the game the way i usually do
Bad targets, random oneshots, inconsistent af
DK is good target but everybody is a mage so then it's bad
urban skiff
I just cannot get the classic devoker damage out
urban skiff
stuck at like 1300 solo shuffle where rounds are won almost entirely because i stand near healer and chain kicks sleeps and knockups/backs
while my healer does everything
can't wait to get augoker (?) so I can just do that shit fulltime and let others worry about damage
stark reef
Games bad when fury is good
Why would you say so?
I feel like fury, enhance and rogue are just varying degrees of burst/sustain/cc
urban skiff
something fucky is up with arenas in general. I'm seeing cross cc and peels at 1100 3v3 mmr lol
stark reef
Deflation
urban skiff
that's not just deflation
stark reef
1100 is the old 1600, maybe 1800 if people haven't played much
urban skiff
like that's completely unheard of at that rating
spice hornet
its a mongo 2 button rotation even more braindead than demon hunter because at least DH has more utility like darkness, glimpse, cage, reverse magic, all you are meant to do as fury is pve damage (self healing passively while this happens) and maybe disarm or fear? it rewards bad gameplay and zug mentality, nothing to even think about
spice hornet
something fucky is up with arenas in general. I'm seeing cross cc and peels at ...
there are no more casuals who play arena
urban skiff
I'm a casual
urban skiff
1100 is the old 1600, maybe 1800 if people haven't played much
I don't believe that, had no trouble getting to 1600 in 2s on my warrior and I've always been a 1600 player
like hardstuck 1600
always and forever
lean burrow
something fucky is up with arenas in general. I'm seeing cross cc and peels at ...
wow is dying
SL s1 and s2 was most popular with giga inflation
spice hornet
arena has been out since 2007, nobody is going into the store randomly, purchasing wow for the first time to play arena. there are very very few pvp new players playing.
lean burrow
deadguh
urban skiff
the biggest source of new pvp'ers are pve'ers who can get upgrades from pvp
stark reef
arena has been out since 2007, nobody is going into the store randomly, purchasi...
Yeah and even if people are newer to wow arena they come in with 10+ years of pvp in other games
urban skiff
always has been
stark reef
The concepts are the same everywhere
stark reef
Wasn't it just rets before?
spice hornet
the ret paladin rework
then al l you queued into was ret/x or demo/ret or fistweaver ret/war
stark reef
I def pref the caster meta over ret meta
Ret meta you just had people die 10sec in, didn't feel worth playing
spice hornet
yeah and the team with the ret never died
stark reef
Now you might lose but after 2min of gameplay
crystal harbor
tbf i was a pvp andy until SL now I just get 1800 for mog and bounce
urban skiff
tbf i was a pvp andy until SL now I just get 1800 for mog and bounce
as soon as i get 1800 on warrior i'm just going full evoker until next season
crystal harbor
That said I also just get my 20s done, do HC and no longer push rating or mythic so I guess I'm just a filthy casual
urban skiff
might be hardstuck at 1000 rating on my evoker but at least it's fun at that rating
stark reef
At 1k I would probably lose my mind
(more than I do now)
spice hornet
yeah that bracket is something else
crystal harbor
That's it man, I just want to chill and have fun. No place for that in any of the tippy top content
stark reef
I used to watch "Wood Division Adventures" religiously when I played league actively - one of the shoutcasters would spectate Iron games on stream and commentate - best content ever
stark reef
He tried to explain the plays
urban skiff
yeah that bracket is something else
at least you get variety in people at 1k