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visual river
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cassetto i see you

rotund trellis
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in game?

visual river
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unless thats another cassetto from icecrown, awks

rotund trellis
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lmao then it's me

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I'm spending my morning updating omnibar, gladius etc. the most boring stuff

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you need the pet?

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inv me

visual river
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❤️

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got gold, just my luck

rotund trellis
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you can get lot every 30 min, you'll eventually get everything

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only bag and charger have different loot tables

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why can't i trade?

visual river
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damn will try again in 20 lol

rotund trellis
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lol gl

shell river
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Ye kinda new so fury is the wave aha

rotund trellis
pallid comet
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is the brawl bugged this week? every game ive joined has only put in 5 players on each team and the game ends before it actually finishes

shell river
elfin surge
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sub rogue is disgusting

rotund trellis
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so much for the nerfs

wheat jay
frank violet
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Okay -- Arms w/ Bleed Build & SS, what's your opener? I'm thinking:

Stun
Warbreaker
Thunderclap (for Rend)
Thunderous Roar
Avatar (proc Bladestorm/MS)
Thunderclap again (reset Rend)
Skullsplitter

Yes? No? Trying to improve.

undone pumice
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Where mortal stirk.

frank violet
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Doesn't the bladestorm apply deep wounds if talented properly?

undone pumice
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Deep wounds =/= mortal wounds

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And also you are now using storm of destruction if you do that

frank violet
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Oh, sorry, yes. That's what I meant.

undone pumice
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Sharpen is the only mandatory talent tho tbh

frank violet
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So where would you add MS in there?

undone pumice
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Well you are bursting right

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So probably the first gcd

frank violet
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before Warbreaker?

undone pumice
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Because less healing means your damage is better because its effectively more damage

frank violet
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Right

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or after because of extra dmg from Warbreaker

undone pumice
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Depends on op stacks imo

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If u haven't do before, if u have do after

frank violet
undone pumice
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Overpowergives you stacks

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Of the overpowerbuff

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Those increase mortal strike's damage

frank violet
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Ahh ok

undone pumice
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Each stack lasts for like 15seconds

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And it stacks up to 2 i think

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So you can do that 40% + the warbreaker %

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  • sharpen blade %
frank violet
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Okay cool.

stark reef
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Rank #13

rotund trellis
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Meanwhile my second season ever is going well. got a new personal best in 3s

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steady climb, lots to learn still. 31 games played in 3s, 41 in 2s. I'm really proud

urban skiff
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Starting to think the real reason we've got avg wait time 17 minute queues turning into 30+ minutes is because it shows average for healer + dps, not just for dps

fickle forge
visual river
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when you hit rock bottom the only way to go is up

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got hearthstone, pet, bag and some intel charms on my warr so far 😄 only mount to go lol

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oh i guess banner , mount and backpack..

lucid walrus
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those are really clean records if you're playing near your current peak as well. keep it up

rotund trellis
fickle forge
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See, man isn't dumb, he just lacked confidence

rotund trellis
stark reef
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Learning how to deal with casters slowly but surely

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Both games I lost I chased and died losing... sadge

mint pulsar
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you guys run badge or insignia for fury btw?

stark reef
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Both

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Never running cc trinket

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Dropped that week 1, never looked back

rotund trellis
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@neat cedar was it you on the worldofpvp subreddit with the deathwish "secret teqnique" post?

stark reef
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no

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I only shitpost on forums

rotund trellis
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lmao I thought it was 100% you

stark reef
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nah

rotund trellis
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some guy was claiming deathwish is op and no one knew/tracked it

stark reef
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it is secret tech though

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he's absolutely right

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people do not track it/swap

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and even if they were, that would make it even better in situations where you actually run it

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you use it when your team-mate is dying so whether they swap you or you just kill them, doesn't matter, jobs done

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never use in even game, that's going to throw it very fast

undone pumice
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you need a cancelaura for DW to be good

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if that even works

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if it dont it just seems absolutely garbonzo

stark reef
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no, you can't cance it but it's only 15sec

undone pumice
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"only"

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15 sec

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of

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50 fucking% increased dmg with stacks

stark reef
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like i said, you use it when your team-mate is dying and you'd lose anyways - when you're behind on tempo, they train your guy and you're just hitting them not getting stuff done

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and i barely use all 5, usually 1-3

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5 is if my hunter is in turtle with 30% health and they stand around him like a barbecue fire

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might aswell go out with a bang

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i'm not advocating for it, i have thrown many rounds with it and use it only if i think there is no other way to win a round - it's just another tool, definitely not even close to "ideal"

elfin surge
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played some Fury/Ele/Disc last night

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felt decent

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tho

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enh would be 100x better

lean burrow
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is enh literally damage bot?

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the only stun requires enh to not do anything else

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the only cc requires to stop moving and cast as a melee

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what is this spec keks

lucid walrus
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is cap totem’s timer long enough to where they can use that totem relocating ability effectively?

radiant flint
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for fury, when do you run odyn's fury or onslaught? is it just preference?

stark reef
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yeah

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queued into sub rogue, destro, sp at 2130

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1/5

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all rounds super close but that was fkn pain

lean burrow
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warrior really took a dip keks

teal hedge
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@mild thunder Joe Fernandes seems to be running unhinged ⁉️

stark reef
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@lean burrow you playing war rn?

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It's not all that bad tbh

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Definitely not meta but can win against anything

lean burrow
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i'm not playing as much critcake

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only alts to grind transmog first

stark reef
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k

pallid comet
floral mirage
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is SKP still worth?

worthy fern
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@lean burrow ground kick tremor roots slows lasso hex

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Lots of utility

kindred raptor
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arms>fury for the meta rn right?

elfin surge
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has anyone played fury with tier yet tho?

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might make fury better

kindred raptor
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new to pvp so sorry fro cringe questions do we just like never cast slam/Ww/cleave? or is situational

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just so I know what to keep on my bars teehee

elfin surge
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general rule is to keep everything on bar and binded

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slam and ww are hardly used

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but not never

vapid tartan
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Rend and tclap are better value then slam whirlwind

elfin surge
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also, i swear fury is better than arms rn @fickle forge @mild thunder thoughts?

vapid tartan
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You can just sweeping strikes ms for more damage than cleave

elfin surge
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cleave sux

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whirlwind when enemy druid dazes you with leap to get them out of stealth mid leap and avoid stun

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yup

fickle forge
elfin surge
fickle forge
elfin surge
fickle forge
iron fractal
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Is Fast Footwork worth taking over Frothing Berserker?

gaunt scaffold
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if youre going into a match up thats root heavy

elfin surge
fickle forge
elfin surge
fickle forge
fickle lantern
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Mainly see all ret pallys still and hunters

fickle forge
elfin surge
lean burrow
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you guys think this is gonna get more expensive after the event?

fickle forge
lean burrow
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guildboostnet spam in calendar

quaint ruin
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So

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rogues are now the tankiest melee spec

undone pumice
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Always have been

quaint ruin
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Not at all

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They were always dependant on CDs like evasion, vanish etc

undone pumice
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Im not sure how to tell you this

jagged yew
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How do I not get kited as badly as fury? Coming from arms, I just pop bladestorm and I can usually stay on target better

undone pumice
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They have so many of those vs a warrior they basically always have one

obsidian loom
elfin surge
stark reef
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Rogue/SP/Destro was worst lobby for me in days

iron fractal
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its a pvp talent

jagged yew
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Thats the one that damages me to remove snares, right?

stark reef
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Be gnome

dark sparrow
iron fractal
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You give 5% health to remove all snares and slows, and gain 40 rage.

jagged yew
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Coo coo, I’ll give that a shot

stark reef
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I don’t find kiting to be a major issue - damage is so high, even with lower uptime it’s fine. Not even running cc trinket.

woeful solstice
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Bloodrage and change to master race

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(Gnome or dark iron)

muted surge
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So haste is our best stat even without SKS ?

stark reef
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I see

jagged yew
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So getting a team with a druid and a mage

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Is major sadge

dark sparrow
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Dark iron into fury oneshot pop does some disgusting fkn dmg

dark sparrow
stark reef
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I just play shuffle but plenty cc there, to. But cc doesn’t end rounds. Damage does. So if 2 people want to spend all round cc’ing me, happy birthday. My team-mate will just kill someone

muted surge
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i want crit again :(

jagged yew
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Ahhhh I gotcha

dark sparrow
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Been getting some fat 150k ish executes tho which felt nice

elfin surge
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jagged yew
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Since I play rbgs, I also feel like wrecking and shattering throw are bait

stark reef
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Same in shuffle

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Just go sidearm

jagged yew
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I use that all the time

stark reef
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2-3% dam, don’t need to think about it

jagged yew
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Oh, whoops

muted surge
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cant it break cc tho

stark reef
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It can but doesn’t matter

dark sparrow
jagged yew
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I was thinking of the interrupt abil, but sidearm would be decent

teal hedge
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Hit a 5x55kg bench

stark reef
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Nah, it’s also bait

jagged yew
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Really?

stark reef
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5% Dan if you kick vs just free damage, take free damage

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Yeah

teal hedge
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But it didn't burn in the pecs...

jagged yew
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Well I thought it also reduced the cd of pummel

stark reef
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By 1 sec

jagged yew
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Ez

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Lol

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I got baited. Have to go rethink my class tree and life

stark reef
jagged yew
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I used that 5% all season last season on arms lol

stark reef
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@woeful solstice pants are busted btw

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Peaked rank 13 earlier

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People die in opener a lot with 3+ stacks through odyns

woeful solstice
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oh fuck lmao

stark reef
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Getting 10 stacks every round

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Random stuff like static totems, etc

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If they don’t die it’s at least 1-2 major defensives right out the gate

muted surge
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ohhhh we play shockwve now, thats sick

stark reef
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Yeah, also helps proc pants

woeful solstice
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i havent done a rated 3s game since s1

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still a little fried from glad push ngl

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kinda wanna see where meta ends up at after catalyst before doing any serious gearing and pushing

wispy drum
shell river
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Wheres the best place to see fury rotation? I kinda understand self heals but i seem to do no damage. Also do we take 2 2 handers? Or 2 1 handers

vapid tartan
stark reef
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I really cannot tell

vapid tartan
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Since we don’t mind swapping as much

stark reef
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It procs of aoe

vapid tartan
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They seem real interesting tbh you get 10 procs into non pet?

stark reef
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So odyns just gives you stacks right when you use it

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Same with shockwave

stark reef
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Barely playing “Pets” lately but random roots, totems, observer, psyfiend, elemental, shuyen (?), mirror image - zoo galore

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I’d probably run them on arms to over current embellishments

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Don’t see the point of a 1-3% embellishment when I can get thousands of haste

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Great stats, to. Rn at 31% vers, 49% mastery in pvp

muted surge
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What weapon enchant does arms use ?

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still sophic ?

stark reef
shell river
stark reef
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You’re asking extremely basic things that don’t change patch to patch unless something crazy happens so rather watch someone actually break it down in a 30min video with visual references

stark reef
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vapid tartan
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But your basic burst is reck ava troar

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You want to be mixing in rampage as much as possible

shell river
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Sorry for asking such arbitrary questions questions, just kinda lost with it all hahha, appreciate the help ppl :)))

visual river
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@stark reef in theory embelish pants for fury might be a solid play over tier piece but that means sacrificing vers in both pants and tier helm for a lot of haste later hmmm

near delta
visual river
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I don’t find lining to be beneficial for melees due to requirement to be over 90% hp
Chances are as warr you are not over 90 often

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And if I had to put lining it would be on ring slot, helm would be armor patch or gathering storm..

At least with the pants you’re constantly 170-340 haste uptime

uneven turret
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What pvp talents do i take as annhilator fury.

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And if i need to take disarm what do i swap out for it

tawny brook
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Trance, enduring rage, slaughterhouse

thick reef
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Do we not take the charge root anymore?

uneven turret
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What abt bloodrage? Its so good for roots.

lean burrow
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idk if trance got buffed, but it was awful for annihilator build

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take anything else instead of it

jagged yew
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Are the uses of the empower bloodthirst more important than using rampage at max rage? I assume not

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I mean... I guess thats only in the crazy burst opener. Rest of the time I'm needing to press it to get the rage to hit ramp again

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so I guess nvm XD

stark reef
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@visual river none of these are vs. pet classes - stuff like sub rogue, destro, mw, boomy, eli, etc.

stark reef
rotund trellis
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@stark reef I'm ready for tonight's arenas

stark reef
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Be careful with that death wish - goes both ways - can't stress that enough

rotund trellis
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I play fury I don't use my brain, Imma press it on cooldown

stark reef
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🤝

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At least games will be quick 😂

rotund trellis
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lol

dapper cypress
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guys
when to take odyn and when to take onslaught?

wheat jay
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Sneaky stacking

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Easy win

woeful solstice
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you cant cancel it

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so be careful

stark reef
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Yeah, my advice is, only run into a game you think is otherwise lost - if you lose it, whatever, if you win even 1/5 of those games it's a plus

woeful solstice
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yep

queen meadow
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everyone playing annihilator ?

stark reef
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not all but most, solid choice

dapper cypress
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if not when to use raging blow?

queen meadow
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even with 4pc T3?

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seems detremental 😐

lean burrow
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raging blow

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when you want to blow your enemy

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but with rage

dapper cypress
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hey i hate you but still sucky sucky

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but for real crushing blow> bloodbath?

runic wharf
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after using throwdown

woeful solstice
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holy fuck boomies are absurd

visual river
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You can still use anni build with 4pc just not to its full potential however it is still a solid boost to the spec

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Boomies are really strong rot right now but you can still train them down , they rely on their teammate to actually make the killing blow in starfall spec

runic wharf
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had a boomie rage at me the other night cuz i was zugging a ret while an ele was blowing him up

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now that i think about it the only classes that ever rage at me are druids

river trench
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been away for work, hows fury been doing?

visual river
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Feeling good man, trained the boomy most games and 6-0

river trench
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nice.

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ok, so i never really played stance warrior, how often in ss, arenas, whatever do you find yourself switching stances?

visual river
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I’m noob and tied defensive stance to my bitter immunity , then tied berserker to my big cd macro

Defensive stance immunity is my oh shit button then I swap back to berserker when they lay off my and I have cds coming back soon

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But I see arms pop it whenever they go sub 50 % and low on cds

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Or even start rounds in defensive stance so people naturally target the teammate first

stark reef
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You have to stance dance

river trench
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guessing it just comes down to experiencing it and figuring it out on your own on when you need to be in what?

stark reef
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Yes, it's a feel thing

tawny brook
stark reef
river trench
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Roxi, you fury?

stark reef
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Yeah

river trench
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Nice. made the mistake of thinking the rework for ret was actually gonna make the spec fun design wise again but didnt really change much, so looking to come back to fury warrior.

stark reef
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This was a close round - a lot of stance changes

visual river
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One of us one of us one of us

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I really want to run badge or something else but determination is so good

stark reef
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Best way to think about stances is tempo but that's also a feel thing - try to get a sense for when your team is ahead in the match and use stances to regulate pressure

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stuff like your own CD's, cc on healer, HP bars, mobility, etc.

river trench
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was a prot pally main for over 10 years and occasionally played dps, but changed to a dps main and rets class design just aint it

rotund ermine
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Does Fatality (Fatal Mark) work in pvp with 100% dmg or is this nerfed by any%? Especially in Arena?

woeful solstice
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ya just cut in half

rotund ermine
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Ah okay, 50% then, thanks

river trench
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this is kinda why i wish they would just adapt FF14s job system so i can play prot pally and fury on one character.

visual river
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Oh nvm

river trench
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prot warrior and prot pally class design are different

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oh ok lol

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all good haha

tawny brook
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Ff14 warrior is so fun

visual river
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I think wow is more alt friendly than ever right now, I geared a Druid to 443 in 3 days, but came back to my warrior this week

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From level 1

river trench
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i just wanna play on one character lol

visual river
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Haha I know the feeling

river trench
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ive never been big on alts, but i have too if i wanna play around with other classes. all of my toons are blood elves at this point except for the classes that cant be

visual river
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Haha that was me

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But I am loving human warrior

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Changed from belf

river trench
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and here soon that won be as much of an issue anymore, once shammys, pallys, and druids become available to all races

visual river
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I wish arcane torrent still silenced, it was so good on dh and rogues

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And ret

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It was ‘too strong’ .. meanwhile humans free stun resist, nelf free meld, gnomes free root break

river trench
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Honestly my biggest wish for what they would do with wow and its races and classes would have to be making everything playable with whatever race (except evoker i guess) and then just split all the classes into their own thing, allow one character to become whatever spec they want and go from there

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then instead of coming up with different specs for a brand new class, they could literally just throw together 1 well planned out spec whenever the hell they were feeling like making one

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oh, you want a blade master spec? here you go. You want a tinker spec? its coming later in this next patch

visual river
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Yea but then players lose replay ability which means less time spent on wow which means less subscriptions

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$$$

river trench
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i mean you would still have to level every job as it was, and in reality, it could potentially cause even more play time

visual river
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They’re literally making $2M a day on retards playing Diablo loot box simulator

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And more with d4 soon

river trench
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if they really wanted too, they could make it where you have to level each spec rather then the class, but i also see people having issues with that.

rotund trellis
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fuck sp btw,

thick reef
visual river
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LOL

rotund trellis
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BUT IT WAS SKILL, i OVEREXTENDED ON FADE

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caps sorry

spice hornet
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Remember when first week of s1 spriest could hit that

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So busted

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Get hit by a void volley, 103k mind games, 50k DP, 80k death within like .3 seconds

round holly
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is any of the world pvp gear worth getting? Im new to pvp

rotund trellis
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all of it if you got no honor gear yet

torpid roost
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Upgraded wpvp gear is good

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Hair under conquest

stark reef
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This guy complete smurfs on the lobby, 1 round he plays with me he doens't block and dies

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2/4

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AAAAAHHHHHH

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Dude has 5 mages

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Why?!

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It was a healer difff lobby but that game was ours

worthy fern
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I think numbing is na best arcane mage

stark reef
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That’s him?

worthy fern
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Maybe not

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No r1 titles

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That’s numbing yea

stark reef
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I mean he was good

worthy fern
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I thought he’d have some r1s tho

stark reef
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But that block… sadge

worthy fern
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Yea he’s def good

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R1 shuffle last season

rotund trellis
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btw there are no healers left in 2s

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just pala/shaman

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10 games, no healers. blizzard is a fucking joke lol

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luiterally pumping out more heals than my healer

visual river
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Using scalewarden offhand bracers and cape 447 this week feels good

rotund trellis
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how to lose 50 rank 101, AMA

spice hornet
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He is good but he always plays some obnoxious ass comp

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Which I guess he has to since arcane has been ass for awhile

stark reef
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@spice hornet catching up to your warlock

spice hornet
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Fight him in 2s playing warr healer into his arcane rdruid you can’t even play the game

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Ur like 200 rating away

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I got that the first 4 days of season

stark reef
spice hornet
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Let’s see where you are tomorrow

stark reef
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1700

spice hornet
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Lol def possible

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Sometimes some matches as a warr are out of your hands

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More than other classes imo

stark reef
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Tbh, has very few games that felt like that

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Only lobby I couldn’t play was sp/destro/sub

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That was actual cancer

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And I didn’t play bad

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Just absolute class-diffed

spice hornet
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Yeah I played my lock for 2 weeks before patch got higher than ever on my warr which I played for years

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Shuffle is just way easier on that thing

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Ranged kick, spammable CC, infernal stun

stark reef
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But yeah, def best mage mobility wise I’ve seen, that numbing guy

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Still went 2/4

spice hornet
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Yeah he’s untouchable

stark reef
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Thing about fury though, you do not die

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There has to be a lot of stuff going wrong for you to die

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It’s really about if you can kill someone in time

spice hornet
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Yep this one fury I fought in 2s when I was playing demo didn’t even bother to run from tyrant

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He just stood in it taking max sams

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Didn’t die

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Fury back to being degenerate

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They nerfed ir at beginning of Df for the same reason

stark reef
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This dude has to be a gamer

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wtf are those achievements?

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Probably the most decorated pvp Paul I’ve encountered so far

shell river
rotund trellis
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I MADE IT FELLAS:

obsidian loom
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They're buffing all three warlock specs

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Are you fucking kidding me

tawny brook
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Nice

stark reef
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🤣

tawny brook
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Trying to get people moved over to d4

stark reef
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Might be the play

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Barbarian PvP

obsidian loom
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Bro what the fuck am I reading

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Why is destro getting buffs lmfao

stark reef
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“Greetings warlocks, we’ve looked through the feedback —— buffs for everyone.”

rotund trellis
stark reef
unique fox
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Confirmed its a warlock main running the pvp department

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Also explains why wars get insta nerfed

stark reef
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+15% unstable affliction damage

obsidian loom
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Jesus man

unique fox
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I'm quitting this dogshit game lol

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Blizz gonna free me at last

obsidian loom
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They got all this because blizzard removed a spender

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One spender

spice hornet
stark reef
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It does, yes, but now not so much

lucid walrus
#

really glad i pushed early

stark reef
#

It’s not like the other two specs are cooked

rotund trellis
#

yes afflicion needs buffs:

lucid walrus
#

can’t wait to play the full release of 10.1 in august

stark reef
#

Just making sure the third one is also S+++

obsidian loom
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Afflock isn't underpowered

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It's just not better than demo and destro

stark reef
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“Hello Players, we’ve noticed that destro and demo significantly outperform other dps in pvp combat. We hear you, this is not fair. So we buffed affliction to catch up.”

obsidian loom
#

Tldr

lucid walrus
#

death
taxes
multiple lock specs being S-tier at once

spice hornet
#

Affy also is mechanically unfun to play

spice hornet
obsidian loom
#

Afflocks will dominate solo because no one knows how to not dispel ua

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I can't wait to be yelled at by discs from Ragnaros about this

stark reef
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He’s busy casting mindblast

obsidian loom
mild thunder
#

D4 waiting room

obsidian loom
#

Time to unsub

mild thunder
#

Already have

stark reef
#

D4 I promised myself I will not be sweaty

obsidian loom
#

I'll come back last week for enchant I cba

unique fox
#

Whos rolling a barb for D4?

obsidian loom
mild thunder
stark reef
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I am but no guides

unique fox
#

If you arent rolling a barb get out of the warrior discord immediately

stark reef
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Just playing with my wife, casually

mild thunder
#

I wanna roll a monk but there is none sadga

obsidian loom
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Barb is monk

stark reef
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Barb was a lot of fun on beta

unique fox
#

Crusader would also be acceptable if they existed

obsidian loom
#

Unequip weapons

mild thunder
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Get to the pala discord

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Disgusting

stark reef
#

Is Diablo pvp usually good?

mild thunder
stark reef
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Thank god

unique fox
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Not unless you can corpse pop people like in D2

mild thunder
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Smite PvP is good copium

tawny brook
#

Youtube comment sections has good pvp

mild thunder
#

You just demonstrated you have no idea how Warrior works.

Before he warbreakers and tries to burst, he requires a minimum of 4 globals spent just on priming it beforehand

hamstring once in range
initial MS for Deep Wounds boost
Overpower
Overpower again
And this doesnt even mention spear/storm bolt/defensives he has to use to not die while on you and exposed to your teammate(s).

It isnt “he touched me and i died”. You let him sit on you and/or wasted your escapes before he Smash/WB’d.

You want to screw his burst window up every time without fail? Run roots. Fade when he uses Smash/Breaker to slip the string and start moving, then Root him. Breaker window is max 13 seconds. Every second he wastes getting back onto you is a second he isnt bursting. If he charges you and is running warbringer? Congrats, bolt is 1/2 DR which barely makes it a globals worth of stun eith Resolve.

If he isnt running warbringer? Fear him. Sure he breaks it, but thats valuable time ticking away during his burst window. Every global he ISNT on you is a global where time is on YOUR side, not his.

Suck it up buttercup, treat it like you would any other stun you can see coming. Its a short stun, not Mjolnir. Treat Spear like you would Smoke Bomb or Ring of Frost. Do you expect to sit in one of those for the full duration getting bursted on and survive without blowing a defensive? Are you that spoiled and entitled?

Start using your brain to think about things other than crying for people who arent you to get destroyed by daddy blizzard for forcing you to accept youre not a god.

mild thunder
#

It’s my daily diary entry

lean burrow
#

Hello,
I just rerolled Destro Warlock and it turns out, I'm actually really good at it. It just comes natural to me, my rating is climbing every game!
I've been struggling as warrior the last few years being stuck around 1300, but after playing lock for 4 days, I just hit my first elite! I'm even beating rank 1s and streamers!
I'm just happy I finally found the class that fits me and i'm naturally gifted at!

obsidian loom
obsidian loom
lean burrow
# mild thunder It’s my daily diary entry

So you're going by "Galachad" now nerd? Haha whats up douche bag, it's Tanner from Highschool. Remember me? Me and the guys used to give you a hard time in school. Sorry you were just an easy target lol. I can see not much has changed. Remember Sarah the girl you had a crush on? Yeah we're married now. I make over 200k a year and drive a mustang GT. I guess some things never change huh loser? Nice catching up lol. Pathetic..

gaunt scaffold
green kernel
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guys im bad at math

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when will the cap be high enough to be able to afford a full set

royal rose
#

Is there a catch-up system in place for fresh 70s to get their shadow flame thing for crafting?

visual river
#

Maybe about 6-8k conq depending on your luck with vault and weps. You needed 12k for full honor gear from scratch

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There is catchup mechanic for spark fragments , just go malicia’s PvP weeklies, the nifflem weekly and the all reputation weekly, it’s a chance in the reward bags
I think PvP bags from rated games also has a chance to drop. Worst case just go straight to nifflem place there’s a quest that gives you 1 full spark then you only need to do 1-2 weekly quests , catch up same week easy

spice hornet
#

audi rs5 here

ruby temple
#

hey guys I want to get into prot for RBG's for grand marshalls mogs, can anyone point me in the direction of resources to learn about it?

proud breach
#

yo, what are the best craft pvp for destro?

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whooooops wrong discord Late

subtle imp
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traitor

proud breach
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xd

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just kidding ❤️

river trench
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i know its probably super niche, but can prot work well in any form of pvp or naw?

visual river
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Tanks take 50% more damage in PvP to discourage this due to prot pals and guardian Druid spam back in prior expansions

river trench
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and im guessing they dont do any extra dmg either?

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feel like it would be easy to tune the tank specs into essentially more dps specs for pvp

visual river
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There is no burst with prot warr that I can think of, maybe heavy bleed but the only real time you might see prot warr is for rbgs to do some knocks or multi leaps with the flag but that’s gimmicky

stiff merlin
#

bruh i was just about to start pvping as fury

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then i see this comment lol

mild thunder
steep inlet
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6 nerfs after :( i was 2200 mmr first week with it

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fuck

hard vector
#

when u humen do u use dubbel dps trinkets or a Medallion?

mild thunder
#

singlehandedly getting a spec nerfed

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respect

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now do it for casters

steep inlet
#

i play holy priest :(

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i would play my warrior but 45 min queue

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i have no time for that fuck

mild thunder
steep inlet
#

gala

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trimaz received this shit before nerfs HAHA

mild thunder
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tres bien

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the start of DF was so good man... why'd they have to fuck it up

steep inlet
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:(

torpid roost
#

are warriors mid to bad now or have I just lost all my skill from last month

teal hedge
#

I think it's a combo of warrior getting slightly nerfed and casters being buffed

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That and any smaller factors will make you lose

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Are you even the slightest amount of tired? Focusing on something else for 1 millisecond? The loss is yours.

umbral bobcat
#

Guys how many haste do I need for pvp?

teal hedge
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Many

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Go max haste/vers

umbral bobcat
teal hedge
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Then you've lost me

fickle forge
#

And the start of BFA

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Locks are already giga strong, and getting buffed now

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😴

wheat jay
#

Pvp is good too, just that y'all have to wait 45min in queue

wind ridge
#

I think they reduced Shadowflame wreather procs in PvP, procs way less then before

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I don't get more then 4-5% out of it total

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This is for fury

mint pulsar
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5% has always been average no?

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At least for me

wind ridge
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I don't know, games i've had last week have been 7-9% for sure

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And now i don't go above 4-5

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I feel if it's that low that sophic should edge it out easily

shell river
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I was too lazy to figure out how to use the new enchant

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So i stayed with sophic

lean burrow
#

it's over, warrior bros

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time to get long socks, skirts, chokers

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and reroll mages/locks

torpid roost
#

b-but I don't like men, or boys

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also pretty sure the boomies are the chad casters atm

muted surge
#

yoooo arms > fury ? :ooooo

torpid roost
#

I don't know if I agree with sub being in S tier

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Like yeah you annihilate people

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But if an enhancement shaman looks at you funny you die

muted surge
#

thats why enh > sub :>

torpid roost
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Lol

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I mean it's a pretty violent disparity

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Or even rogue v arms, they kill me in the opener, or, I beat them until they're a small red stain on the pavement

shell river
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Otherwise theyd be b tier

mint pulsar
#

rogues fine

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1 secret technique 411k

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on me with 444ilvl pvp so..

magic wing
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Retarded

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"We nerfed crit dmg btw" but only for arms warriors

torpid roost
#

SecTec is horseshit

#

Buff sub and either delete or completely change sectec

subtle imp
torpid roost
#

They're far from our biggest worry

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Boomkin just rots your dick off with zero casting, while running around like a flapping retard

subtle imp
#

that is true

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delete them as well

craggy geyser
#

That’s some funny shit made my morning

dreamy moat
#

warlock teleports like 20 of us out of alterac valley boss

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cool mechanic, dude

onyx marlin
#

"we are unhappy with arms spike burst damage so we gonna nerf it" meanwhile enh doing 200k, rogues killing you in 3 seconds, destro locks being terminator

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all good

lean burrow
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you've been OP for too long, warrior bros

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time to spread your cheeks

craggy geyser
#

That enhance and rogue burst is fucking retarded

onyx marlin
#

and lets not talk about boomy

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kek

iron fractal
#

Which weapon enchants as fury? Running sophic devotion and earthern writ atm.

lean burrow
#

would you spend 30k just to have 1% more damage than others?

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or just 2k for sophic devotion and have almost the same damage

iron fractal
#

So x2 sophic devotion, not eathern writ?

visual river
#

Double shadowflame wreath doing 8% damage consistent 👌

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Shadowflame armor patch 2.5-3%

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Uptime is about 80% with two, meanwhile sophic devotion uptime maybe 30-40% with double

thick reef
#

So Armor Patch > Thorns Helmet now?

wind ridge
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Double shadowflame doesn't do 8% consistent, i don't get more then 4-5%

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Armor patch is around 2-2.5%

visual river
#

Have you checked your overall?

wind ridge
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Yes, multiple games

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I think they lowered the proc chance in PvP

visual river
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I would say you are mistaken for that assumption

craggy geyser
#

It 100% does 8%

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Pretty consistent

wind ridge
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I play the Annihalator/odyns fury build with full mastery, and i never got more then 6%

visual river
#

I’m using annihilator with onslaught and full mastery

craggy geyser
#

Same 👆🏻

visual river
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My enrage uptime would be higher than you too

wind ridge
#

This is from my last ss

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Doesn't seem to calculate enrage properly since max uptime on battle shout is 77%, but enrage uptime is high

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I don't see how you can get almost double uptime on wreathe then me

visual river
#

Your roar damage is quite low are you not hitting minimum 2 targets with it? Your odyns is good though
I’ll screenshot more in the games ti come but here was my most recent
Onslaught enrages you for 4s , 55% uptime on enrage is very low but I guess that’s a part of odyns fury build vs onslaught

wind ridge
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it's not 55% uptime, max uptime is on battleshout which is 77%

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don't know why it counts it like that

visual river
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Oh the 30sexonds of preparations between each round maybe

wind ridge
#

yeah, seen it bug out few times

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for roar i probably don't optimise targets, i just use it with everything

visual river
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You should definitely hold it to hit minimum 2 targets, unless it’s a guaranteed killing blow

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Like if they are 20% or something

wind ridge
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Do you use 30 sec cd reduction with roar?

visual river
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No I do not , I line it up with avatar reck

wind ridge
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Yeah same, will try to get more targets

visual river
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Basically if you and your team survives the initial 90s you’re second cd is maybe 80% win chance , just hold it and pressure them until they stand on their healer for help and make them regret

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But yea I’ve seen very consistent 8% for my shadowflame wreath it was only 3% when I was 1 hand enchanted

iron fractal
#

Is that if you use it for x2?

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And is it worth using for arms?

rotund trellis
#

What are you guys opinion on removing Bloodcraze to have a point in improved whirlwind in a cleave heavy matchup?

boreal stone
boreal stone
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also, your whirlwind is like a 7 second cd with the annihilator build, so u lose value out of any whirlwind talent tbh

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prob not worth taking at all

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with that build

iron fractal
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Oof.. so I can't use shadowflame if I want to go both arms and fury

boreal stone
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u def can, but I would recommend jsut getting sophic instead at that point

visual river
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Well arms and fury use diff 2 handers anyway but yes sophic for arms is better

boreal stone
#

the enchant isnt that impactful tbh. I feel like youre gonna do more burst if u get a sophic proc during ur avatar than if u get some 5k dmg ticks once in a while. I play double sophic and havnt had a single issue in terms of dmg

visual river
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It depends on your sophic uptime , with 1 it’s only 30% or so, I am unsure about uptime for double

rotund trellis
#

I also see Bajheera playing berserker's torment instead of titan. haven't tried it yet tho so I can't say

boreal stone
#

only time you should play that is in pve as far as im aware, since u get more recklessness with anger management. since u cant play that, it loses a ton of value

umbral bobcat
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Man locks are broken

stark reef
stark reef
#

Some more examples of the pants vs. no pets:

vs. Ret/Fire/MW

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vs. Disc/Eli/Fire

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Would love to see someone sharing some uptime for Silken Blue Lining to compare

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both games were approx. 3min long

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Also, look at this massive proc inside arena with adjusted ilvl:

frank violet
#

What's optimal boot enchant for arms? speed or stam?

teal hedge
#

I think speed might be superiour? Helps with catching up to ranged classes.

frank violet
#

Yeah, that's what I ended up doing.

#

thinking of doing my second embellishment as legs (did warboots of impunity for my first). Is it best to just go with the Frostfire legs?

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Or is belt the better way to go?

stark reef
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Macro active trinket into your burst with all CD’s and run passive dps trinket as 2nd

boreal stone
#

should def play a medallion

stark reef
#

Nah, overrated imo

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Haven’t used it since week 1

#

There is so much cc in the game, using a whole item slot to cleanse a 5sec of anything vs. deleting someone at random is not a trade I am willing to make

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Would be more meaningful with less cc but rn trinket is a drop in the bucket

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That’s at least my take

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I know people rated higher than me think different but there are not that many left

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Arms is different story since you can’t use dbs in stun - id probably still try it but definitely worse/more difficult to pull off

iron fractal
#

Think I need more mastery as fury.. got 26% atm

stark reef
#

I have 49% in arena

iron fractal
#

Not sure what it goes up to in arena, haven’t checked it

stark reef
#

Outside I think low 30% but have to check

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34% or something

iron fractal
#

Got about 20% haste and 31% versatility

stark reef
#

Try to get as close to this gear as you can

#

I just checked, I have 40% to his 49% - so in arena he has well over 60% mastery

iron fractal
#

Gonna take a look at his gear once I get home from the gym, atm I think I’m more comfortable as fury than arms

#

Do I want to open up with my burst in solo shuffle or wait for a good window?

stark reef
#

Always everything on CD

#

Only time you hold is if you have a 100% immunity like bubble or hop on the kill target

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But I send full burst into anything else, pain sub, lock wall, karma, idgaf

#

Tempo

iron fractal
#

So straight in and unload the zug zug

stark reef
#

Yep, my first CD’s are out 2nd or 3rd global every match

#

Charge, macro or charge, onslaught, macro

iron fractal
#

Recklessness - avatar - dragon?

stark reef
#

Bolt healer or kill target after, rampage, odyns

iron fractal
#

So onslaught first to get the enrage?

stark reef
#

Macro everything in 1

#

Yes, be enraged for macro

#

If you don’t run titanic rage you have to get enraged prior

#

If you do, just charge - macro

iron fractal
#

Been running onslaught over odyns fury atm

stark reef
#

Ok, then onslaught - macro

#

Fury is all about tempo - so let’s say you macro, they see their health drop, use defensive about 4sec later

#

What happens is next time you have CDs their defensives are still on CD if they’re also 90sec

#

So over a longer round you get more and more windows where they cannot react to your burst

#

Another reason I send CDs early is because I don’t want people to get situated

#

Let’s say hunter runs in, traps, his healer is still on horseback

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Now hunter is at 10% health, pops turtle, healer panics and pops a major CD as well

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Round won right there

iron fractal
#

Do I write stopcasting in the macro? Or just cast recklessness - avatar - dragons roar?

stark reef
#

I’ve posted mine in here plenty, currently not home

#

Can share later but sure others have a similar one

iron fractal
#

Would be very much appreciated!

stark reef
#

Happens all the time keks

iron fractal
#

Onslaught to get enraged.. pop macro with recklessness- avatar and dragons roar. Those have global cooldowns right? So I have to press it several times

stark reef
#

No, only roar does

#

If you press to fast you’re stilll GCD locked from onslaught so just make sure roar is on cd after but otherwise everything goes through

iron fractal
#

Also, do I try to ride up to them and start the smash, or do you open with a charge?

stark reef
#

Depends on map - answer is again tempo.

#

If riding in means you get rooted, slowed, just charge

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If you can los until you’re right on top of them and dismount, do that

#

But I charge 95% of the time

#

Except mages nobody can run you out of mobility as war

#

And mages if they go to no man’s land just swap and play 2v3 until they come back

wheat jay
#

They bladestormed one?

iron fractal
#

Right, biggest pain is when there is x2 warlocks who keeps tping and demon gate all over the place

wheat jay
#

Well use 2nd one

#

They trinketed other, root

#

They avatar this one or bladestorm, root again

#

Freedom and run

#

And its easy as fuck cuz 90% of warriors are absolute retards with mobility skills

stark reef
iron fractal
#

Wrecking throw with demolisher against warlock?

stark reef
#

Neither

#

Sidearm

iron fractal
#

Used shattering throw the other game to fuck with a ret paladin

#

Using sidearm, so never wrecking throw then?

stark reef
#

Wrecking over shattering

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Never shattering

#

But I can’t run it between all the nodes in that part of the tree

wheat jay
undone pumice
#

Rat paladin

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Not ret

wheat jay
#

Bitch what you gonna do when i run faster than you?

#

Keep your hamstring up

stark reef
wheat jay
#

And maybe you wont be left in the dust 24/7

#

Ye haha

stark reef
#

Lock wants to gate on other side of map. Fine by me, now he has to waddle back whilst we pelt his healer and other dps

undone pumice
#

If i feel id lose ~6+ gcds i usually use mobility if i think enemy doesnt then have more than me

stark reef
#

Now you’re so far away you can’t even charge someone

undone pumice
#

But i havent played in a while so it probably different

stark reef
iron fractal
#

Never wrecking throw, but sometimes shattering throw against palas then?

stark reef
#

No

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Never shatter

#

It’s shit

iron fractal
#

Right, never bubble/ice breaker

stark reef
#

Nobody is going to let you cast shatter

iron fractal
#

I used it that shuffle cause a Druid kept whining at me for not popping the ret bubble

stark reef
#

They’ll just cc you

#

Every class has 20 ccs. They’ll just throw one of them your way if you try and shatter

undone pumice
#

Pop spell reflect and then shatter to reflect hoj

#

Broken

iron fractal
#

I got to pop his bubble twice that shuffle

#

So never shatter, but maybe wrecking? Or never either?

stark reef
#

Or he’ll just los you

#

The classic

#

And you just stand there hardcasting

undone pumice
#

Los abuser

#

Reported for wasd

wheat jay
#

And he had 0 cds

#

Neither offensive nor defensive

undone pumice
#

Bruin

#

Bruin

#

Bruin

wheat jay
#

So I onetapped him haha

#

Lol

undone pumice
#

@spiral elbowgo

stark reef
undone pumice
#

Where is bro

stark reef
#

Is explosive shot the big one?

#

Something sometimes just chunks super hard

wheat jay
iron fractal
#

Do you ever use wrecking throw or just zug zug their shields?

wheat jay
#

Explosive and death chakrams is the short cd one

#

Coordinated assault is 2min cd, allows to use killshot

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Which is decent i guess xD

undone pumice
iron fractal
#

Some have told me to only use wrecking throw against locks

#

Should really get gladius again.. removed it because I stopped doing rated in bfa

round holly
#

best choice for first piece of conquest gear?

iron fractal
#

The weapon is my guess

hexed pier
#

is it just subjective, or are fire mages in solo shuffle beyond broken?

river walrus
#

Fire mage does a lot of damage but they die easy if you get uptime

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Locks and boomin do a shit ton of damage while being trained all game and they don't die

hexed pier
#

i find it very difficult to get uptime on mages, with all their shit

iron fractal
#

Yeah, boomkins will just jump around in bear form and still out dps everyone

obsidian loom
#

if you take shatter you're a pepega

#

go hit the healer or something

iron fractal
#

The showtooltip didnt show up my Avatar because I wrote Avatard okayge

sudden cave
#

Hey guys. I wanna start to play PvP but i dont know where to start.
Which spec is good for with my Retri Pala friend ?
What should i buy with honor and conquest ?
What is the point of leveling up my gear if they are like "450 ilvl in pvp combat" ?

Thanks in advance 🙂

iron fractal
#

Urgh.. getting sparks in that stupid arena.. with druids hopping around doing 800 k hits...

deep parrot
#

Anyone tried using frostfire leggards of preparation for PvP ? Mostly battlegrounds

umbral bobcat
iron fractal
#

Is Battle trance worth using in solo shuffle? Since you tend to switch targets a lot.

shell river
#

What do we craft as fury? I did boots but idk what else

dapper cypress
#

whats the second embelish we should take? see a lot peeps with mastery over 90% or dmg pants
als fury

gaunt flume
#

hi

#

any PVP talent build for fury?

stark reef
#

In BG’s should be incredibly good

stark reef
#

Fire just throw every cc in the book on the guy during combustion, that’s the only time they really pop off

#

Frost imo strongest mage with double block

iron fractal
#

Oh, so haste pants are better than the mastery helmet?

stark reef
#

That’s definitely not consensus

#

I use them because I think they’re better but I am just one guy and I also haven’t seen the uptime of the mastery helmet

iron fractal
#

Well the helmet only works if you're above 90% health.

#

Doesnt take much AoE to push you down from that.

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@stark reef Worth using battle trance in solo shuffle? Or do you switch target too much?

stark reef
#

Yes, probably one of the best pvp talents

#

Biggest benefit of annihilator is that you can proc it

#

Check “healing done” after a match

#

It’s significant

tawny brook
iron fractal
#

Any way to remove when blizzard shows the enemy team in solo shuffle?

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Its sitting ontop of gladius showing the enemy team.

tawny brook
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Edit mode

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Uncheck enemy plates or whatever it has I think. My best guess

iron fractal
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Edit mode and under Arena frames, found it.

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No that was just moving it..

stark reef
iron fractal
#

@stark reef I made the burst macro you spoke of.

stark reef
#

Does it work?

iron fractal
#

Forced arms warrior to insta pop his defensives, and the healer to burst heal.

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Then when it was ready again, I melted them from 40% health to 0 .

stark reef
#

Yep, that’s exactly how it goes best case

visual river
iron fractal
#

That one looks better than mine.

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Yoink, and ty

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Except I dont have the badge.

visual river
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It doesn’t matter I don’t either

iron fractal
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I run Insignia.

stark reef
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Yeah, mine is simpler but that looks good - how does the cast sequence play?

visual river
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I run determination

stark reef
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You press it twice?

visual river
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Yep

tawny brook
stark reef
tawny brook
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Lol

stark reef
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Found out through sims

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Trolled by #1

visual river
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Damn that’s a shame

stark reef
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I run badge + insignia

visual river
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Restored my 424 for nothing lol

stark reef
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Active and passive

tawny brook
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Im using alacrity and medallion on human because of so much cc

stark reef
tawny brook
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Badge ok

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Why does that macro need to be pressed twice btw?

iron fractal
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@stark reef Also changed out some gear after that guy you showed. Up to 32% mastery out of shuffle now.

visual river
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Lol I just sit cyclone and brood.. prefer getting 70k Hp every minute as oh shit button

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Nice man, you have lots of room. I’m at 44% in world

stark reef
visual river
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Keep forgetting to check how much in arena but I should be over 50% right now

iron fractal
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He's running Raging blow, but think I'll stay Annihilator myself.

visual river
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Same even with 4 set I might just stay anni

stark reef
iron fractal
visual river
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It’s a minor buff but a buff regardless

stark reef
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Not best war but very committed to fury, always very high rated and also high in PvE so just a very solid guy to keep tabs on for anything new

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He was almost 3k on fury in 3s last season when it wasn’t meta so he knows his stuff

stark reef
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Played with 1 trinket for 2 weeks

iron fractal
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How do I make gladius show up outside of arena btw? Want to change it around a bit.

dreamy moat
iron fractal
dreamy moat
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not sure, sorry

tawny brook
craggy igloo
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man so many double warrior shuffles lately 💤

iron fractal
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I'm still getting my fair share of boomkins and warlocks.

shy aurora
stark reef
shy aurora
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Yeh

dark sparrow
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But I think jellybeans is the most insane at that. Watching his 0-3k in blue gear last season is actually crazy

visual river
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Wtf 19/19 on solo shuffle

iron fractal
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You won 19/19?

visual river
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Good to see he’s also gone titanic ring 450s (no embelish), that’s my move next week but I’ll probably put the well fed buff on it

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The Smexxin warrior is 19/19 ss

iron fractal
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Got 650 qonquest points.. should I buy something or save?

visual river
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I’ve been spending mine on off pieces, ring, neck , etc

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Btw this week you can get scalewarden 447 offhand , bracers and cape already
Next week you can also get 447 belt

Assuming you’ve been doing trophy of strife quest every week

iron fractal
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Yeah I have, I got the offhand scale weapon, braces, and cloak

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Considering maybe waiting for wednesday so I dont buy something I get in the vault.

visual river
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Very nice

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Hopefully it’s my last piece of tier next week..

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Or else socket gahahaha

mild thunder
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Especially better than @elfin surge

elfin surge
wheat jay
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Cuz bicmex doesnt play any other class

elfin surge
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doesnt bother me if he did

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ill just come back the last two days of the season and push 400cr for r1

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like i did last two seasons

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EZ

wheat jay
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Fair enough

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Do I push for glad with KFC again?

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Am I masochistic enough to do that again?

elfin surge
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is there anyone with glad yet

wheat jay
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No idea

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But I would have a team to push with

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Karbage and our healer

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Kargish*

mild thunder
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Bicmex the kind of mf to play chess on his second screen while pushing r1

wheat jay
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Geoguesser

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Or through fire and flames blindfolded guitar hero waiting for shuffle q

mild thunder
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Absolute chad

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I wonder if he’s active in trueshot lodge

wheat jay
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He's got his own discord

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Ppl are cool there

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Always some proper pvp survi discussions

vagrant thistle
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Is arms or fury better for pvp

elfin surge
vagrant thistle
elfin surge
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the answer to you question

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is yes

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arms or fury yes

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both good

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play whatever

vagrant thistle
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What gear? Chest plate or armor side?

mild thunder
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proof

spice hornet
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That’s what happens you queue with petkick too much

rotund trellis
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BTW ROGUES ARE UTTERLY BROKEN

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caps sorry

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they're fucking disgusting

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back to the usual I guess

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overcompensating at its finest lol

vagrant thistle
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??? i was in a random battlegrounds and been playing the whole way through havent left a single match wtf?

obsidian loom
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@stark reef have you tried smexxin's build with both onslaught and odyns?

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i cant seem to get it to do more than just annihilator + odyns

stark reef
noble reef
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what matchups is enduring rage usually good for?

stark reef
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With the cheese burst build with DW for “lost rounds”

obsidian loom
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do you prioritize bloodbath over rb?

stark reef
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The sustain builds runs anni and onslaught

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I don’t use rb for either build ever

obsidian loom
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oh...

stark reef
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Also bloodbath/bloodthirst

obsidian loom
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smex uses rb

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its really weird

stark reef
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Check the other load outs

rotund trellis
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lost 11 games in a row, please destroy me guys

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btw all rogue/mage + disc priest

obsidian loom
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happens, go next

rotund trellis
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no other comp in 2s right ow