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in game?
unless thats another cassetto from icecrown, awks
lmao then it's me
I'm spending my morning updating omnibar, gladius etc. the most boring stuff
you need the pet?
inv me
you can get lot every 30 min, you'll eventually get everything
only bag and charger have different loot tables
why can't i trade?
damn will try again in 20 lol
lol gl
Ye kinda new so fury is the wave aha
enjoy it!
is the brawl bugged this week? every game ive joined has only put in 5 players on each team and the game ends before it actually finishes
I feel lost but ig thats learning a class ahaha
sub rogue is disgusting
feels worse than pre-patch in terms of ccs
so much for the nerfs
You are disgusting
Okay -- Arms w/ Bleed Build & SS, what's your opener? I'm thinking:
Stun
Warbreaker
Thunderclap (for Rend)
Thunderous Roar
Avatar (proc Bladestorm/MS)
Thunderclap again (reset Rend)
Skullsplitter
Yes? No? Trying to improve.
Where mortal stirk.
Doesn't the bladestorm apply deep wounds if talented properly?
Deep wounds =/= mortal wounds
And also you are now using storm of destruction if you do that

Oh, sorry, yes. That's what I meant.
Sharpen is the only mandatory talent tho tbh
So where would you add MS in there?
before Warbreaker?
Because less healing means your damage is better because its effectively more damage
Not sure what you mean by this.
Overpowergives you stacks
Of the overpowerbuff
Those increase mortal strike's damage
Ahh ok
Each stack lasts for like 15seconds
And it stacks up to 2 i think
So you can do that 40% + the warbreaker %
- sharpen blade %
Okay cool.
grats
Meanwhile my second season ever is going well. got a new personal best in 3s
steady climb, lots to learn still. 31 games played in 3s, 41 in 2s. I'm really proud
Starting to think the real reason we've got avg wait time 17 minute queues turning into 30+ minutes is because it shows average for healer + dps, not just for dps
PoV: The self defeatist man is finally starting to engage his Chad improvement mindset a lil'
when you hit rock bottom the only way to go is up
got hearthstone, pet, bag and some intel charms on my warr so far 😄 only mount to go lol
oh i guess banner , mount and backpack..
that's awesome man
those are really clean records if you're playing near your current peak as well. keep it up
you're 100% right. And I would say, SS is the WORST, most humiliating and frustrating way to get into PVP. It's ridiculous that it is the welcoming point for so many players. There's little to nothing to learn there, unless you're already a seasoned PVPer
See, man isn't dumb, he just lacked confidence
Thanks man! it means a lot, especially compared to how frustrating was SS. As a working guy, being able to net some wins in the 1 hour i have at night is really someting
Learning how to deal with casters slowly but surely
Both games I lost I chased and died losing... 
you guys run badge or insignia for fury btw?
@neat cedar was it you on the worldofpvp subreddit with the deathwish "secret teqnique" post?
lmao I thought it was 100% you
nah
some guy was claiming deathwish is op and no one knew/tracked it
it is secret tech though
he's absolutely right
people do not track it/swap
and even if they were, that would make it even better in situations where you actually run it
you use it when your team-mate is dying so whether they swap you or you just kill them, doesn't matter, jobs done
never use in even game, that's going to throw it very fast
you need a cancelaura for DW to be good
if that even works
if it dont it just seems absolutely garbonzo
no, you can't cance it but it's only 15sec
like i said, you use it when your team-mate is dying and you'd lose anyways - when you're behind on tempo, they train your guy and you're just hitting them not getting stuff done
and i barely use all 5, usually 1-3
5 is if my hunter is in turtle with 30% health and they stand around him like a barbecue fire
might aswell go out with a bang
i'm not advocating for it, i have thrown many rounds with it and use it only if i think there is no other way to win a round - it's just another tool, definitely not even close to "ideal"
is enh literally damage bot?
the only stun requires enh to not do anything else
the only cc requires to stop moving and cast as a melee
what is this spec 
is cap totem’s timer long enough to where they can use that totem relocating ability effectively?
for fury, when do you run odyn's fury or onslaught? is it just preference?
yeah
queued into sub rogue, destro, sp at 2130
1/5
all rounds super close but that was fkn pain
warrior really took a dip 
@mild thunder Joe Fernandes seems to be running unhinged ⁉️
@lean burrow you playing war rn?
It's not all that bad tbh
Definitely not meta but can win against anything
k
1 outlaw rogue lol
is SKP still worth?
arms>fury for the meta rn right?
yes 
has anyone played fury with tier yet tho?
might make fury better
new to pvp so sorry fro cringe questions do we just like never cast slam/Ww/cleave? or is situational
just so I know what to keep on my bars teehee
general rule is to keep everything on bar and binded
slam and ww are hardly used
but not never
Rend and tclap are better value then slam whirlwind
also, i swear fury is better than arms rn @fickle forge @mild thunder thoughts?
You can just sweeping strikes ms for more damage than cleave
cleave sux
whirlwind when enemy druid dazes you with leap to get them out of stealth mid leap and avoid stun

yup
Shut up weakling
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
i didnt q into a single arms warrior yesterday
That is because you didn't Q on my turf, aka EU
you own nothing.
Is Fast Footwork worth taking over Frothing Berserker?
if youre going into a match up thats root heavy
link the clip
Which one of em'
THE clip
I have the SS of your official ban reason 👀
Mainly see all ret pallys still and hunters
you guys think this is gonna get more expensive after the event?
Was actually an amazing night worth of content
guildboostnet spam in calendar
Always have been
Im not sure how to tell you this
How do I not get kited as badly as fury? Coming from arms, I just pop bladestorm and I can usually stay on target better
They have so many of those vs a warrior they basically always have one
Arms is dead spec
u shut ur mouth
Rogue/SP/Destro was worst lobby for me in days
Try using Bloodrage if you're up against people with a lot of snares
its a pvp talent
Thats the one that damages me to remove snares, right?
Be gnome
Mes has 4 set on his warr but haven’t been able to see yet how good it is rn
You give 5% health to remove all snares and slows, and gain 40 rage.
Coo coo, I’ll give that a shot
I don’t find kiting to be a major issue - damage is so high, even with lower uptime it’s fine. Not even running cc trinket.
I’m mostly doing rated bgs
So haste is our best stat even without SKS ?
I see
Dark iron into fury oneshot pop does some disgusting fkn dmg
Yes since we are still a bleed spec 
I just play shuffle but plenty cc there, to. But cc doesn’t end rounds. Damage does. So if 2 people want to spend all round cc’ing me, happy birthday. My team-mate will just kill someone
i want crit again :(
Ahhhh I gotcha
Been getting some fat 150k ish executes tho which felt nice
https://youtu.be/FeJzvdGsXtk
i miss unchained warrior 😦
Sweet Revenge after RMP one shots my healer through every cd. If i'm still alive, the game isnt over.
My healer dying wasnt his fault. Every rogue mage was just running at my healer and we were trying to figure out what our main healer does in the opener to survive. We figured it out after this game...
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Since I play rbgs, I also feel like wrecking and shattering throw are bait
I use that all the time
2-3% dam, don’t need to think about it
Oh, whoops
cant it break cc tho
It can but doesn’t matter
@elfin surge your bad 
I was thinking of the interrupt abil, but sidearm would be decent
Hit a 5x55kg bench
Nah, it’s also bait
Really?
But it didn't burn in the pecs...
Well I thought it also reduced the cd of pummel
By 1 sec

I used that 5% all season last season on arms lol
@woeful solstice pants are busted btw
Peaked rank 13 earlier
People die in opener a lot with 3+ stacks through odyns
oh fuck lmao
Getting 10 stacks every round
Random stuff like static totems, etc
If they don’t die it’s at least 1-2 major defensives right out the gate
ohhhh we play shockwve now, thats sick
Yeah, also helps proc pants
i havent done a rated 3s game since s1
still a little fried from glad push ngl
kinda wanna see where meta ends up at after catalyst before doing any serious gearing and pushing
There's going to be so many of them in circulation they'll likely be worth almost nothing.
Wheres the best place to see fury rotation? I kinda understand self heals but i seem to do no damage. Also do we take 2 2 handers? Or 2 1 handers
You think pants would do more for arms?
I really cannot tell
Since we don’t mind swapping as much
It procs of aoe
They seem real interesting tbh you get 10 procs into non pet?
Yes, can post some breakdowns later
Barely playing “Pets” lately but random roots, totems, observer, psyfiend, elemental, shuyen (?), mirror image - zoo galore
I’d probably run them on arms to over current embellishments
Don’t see the point of a 1-3% embellishment when I can get thousands of haste
Great stats, to. Rn at 31% vers, 49% mastery in pvp
If these are your questions id look at last season pvp guides from Bahjeera - explaining things detailed in this channel won’t help much
- i just didnt see many guides that dont expect you to already know rotation, or the questions i asked
You’re asking extremely basic things that don’t change patch to patch unless something crazy happens so rather watch someone actually break it down in a 30min video with visual references
Depends on the buold
Build
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But your basic burst is reck ava troar
You want to be mixing in rampage as much as possible
Sorry for asking such arbitrary questions questions, just kinda lost with it all hahha, appreciate the help ppl :)))
@stark reef in theory embelish pants for fury might be a solid play over tier piece but that means sacrificing vers in both pants and tier helm for a lot of haste later hmmm
For rn at least the primal mastery helm with blue silken lining seems to be pretty good
I don’t find lining to be beneficial for melees due to requirement to be over 90% hp
Chances are as warr you are not over 90 often
And if I had to put lining it would be on ring slot, helm would be armor patch or gathering storm..
At least with the pants you’re constantly 170-340 haste uptime
What pvp talents do i take as annhilator fury.
And if i need to take disarm what do i swap out for it
Trance, enduring rage, slaughterhouse
Do we not take the charge root anymore?
What abt bloodrage? Its so good for roots.
idk if trance got buffed, but it was awful for annihilator build
take anything else instead of it
Are the uses of the empower bloodthirst more important than using rampage at max rage? I assume not
I mean... I guess thats only in the crazy burst opener. Rest of the time I'm needing to press it to get the rage to hit ramp again
so I guess nvm XD
@visual river none of these are vs. pet classes - stuff like sub rogue, destro, mw, boomy, eli, etc.
We need someone with lining to post uptime
I play fury I don't use my brain, Imma press it on cooldown
lol
guys
when to take odyn and when to take onslaught?
Noone tracks that
Sneaky stacking
Easy win
Yeah, my advice is, only run into a game you think is otherwise lost - if you lose it, whatever, if you win even 1/5 of those games it's a plus
yep
everyone playing annihilator ?
not all but most, solid choice
if not when to use raging blow?
after using throwdown
holy fuck boomies are absurd
You can still use anni build with 4pc just not to its full potential however it is still a solid boost to the spec
Boomies are really strong rot right now but you can still train them down , they rely on their teammate to actually make the killing blow in starfall spec
had a boomie rage at me the other night cuz i was zugging a ret while an ele was blowing him up
now that i think about it the only classes that ever rage at me are druids
been away for work, hows fury been doing?
Feeling good man, trained the boomy most games and 6-0
nice.
ok, so i never really played stance warrior, how often in ss, arenas, whatever do you find yourself switching stances?
I’m noob and tied defensive stance to my bitter immunity , then tied berserker to my big cd macro
Defensive stance immunity is my oh shit button then I swap back to berserker when they lay off my and I have cds coming back soon
But I see arms pop it whenever they go sub 50 % and low on cds
Or even start rounds in defensive stance so people naturally target the teammate first
All the time
You have to stance dance
guessing it just comes down to experiencing it and figuring it out on your own on when you need to be in what?
Yes, it's a feel thing
Sounds like my wife, minus the sucky sucky amirite fellow boomers?
Roxi, you fury?
Yeah
Nice. made the mistake of thinking the rework for ret was actually gonna make the spec fun design wise again but didnt really change much, so looking to come back to fury warrior.
This was a close round - a lot of stance changes
One of us one of us one of us
I really want to run badge or something else but determination is so good
Best way to think about stances is tempo but that's also a feel thing - try to get a sense for when your team is ahead in the match and use stances to regulate pressure
stuff like your own CD's, cc on healer, HP bars, mobility, etc.
was a prot pally main for over 10 years and occasionally played dps, but changed to a dps main and rets class design just aint it
Does Fatality (Fatal Mark) work in pvp with 100% dmg or is this nerfed by any%? Especially in Arena?
ya just cut in half
Ah okay, 50% then, thanks
this is kinda why i wish they would just adapt FF14s job system so i can play prot pally and fury on one character.
Oh nvm
Ff14 warrior is so fun
I think wow is more alt friendly than ever right now, I geared a Druid to 443 in 3 days, but came back to my warrior this week
From level 1
i just wanna play on one character lol
Haha I know the feeling
ive never been big on alts, but i have too if i wanna play around with other classes. all of my toons are blood elves at this point except for the classes that cant be
and here soon that won be as much of an issue anymore, once shammys, pallys, and druids become available to all races
I wish arcane torrent still silenced, it was so good on dh and rogues
And ret
It was ‘too strong’ .. meanwhile humans free stun resist, nelf free meld, gnomes free root break
Honestly my biggest wish for what they would do with wow and its races and classes would have to be making everything playable with whatever race (except evoker i guess) and then just split all the classes into their own thing, allow one character to become whatever spec they want and go from there
then instead of coming up with different specs for a brand new class, they could literally just throw together 1 well planned out spec whenever the hell they were feeling like making one
oh, you want a blade master spec? here you go. You want a tinker spec? its coming later in this next patch
Yea but then players lose replay ability which means less time spent on wow which means less subscriptions
$$$
i mean you would still have to level every job as it was, and in reality, it could potentially cause even more play time
They’re literally making $2M a day on retards playing Diablo loot box simulator
And more with d4 soon
if they really wanted too, they could make it where you have to level each spec rather then the class, but i also see people having issues with that.
fuck sp btw,
Skill Issue, learn to Reflect
LOL
Remember when first week of s1 spriest could hit that
So busted
Get hit by a void volley, 103k mind games, 50k DP, 80k death within like .3 seconds
is any of the world pvp gear worth getting? Im new to pvp
all of it if you got no honor gear yet
This guy complete smurfs on the lobby, 1 round he plays with me he doens't block and dies
2/4
AAAAAHHHHHH

Dude has 5 mages
Why?!
It was a healer difff lobby but that game was ours
I think numbing is na best arcane mage
That’s him?
I mean he was good
I thought he’d have some r1s tho
But that block… 
btw there are no healers left in 2s
just pala/shaman
10 games, no healers. blizzard is a fucking joke lol
luiterally pumping out more heals than my healer
Using scalewarden offhand bracers and cape 447 this week feels good
how to lose 50 rank 101, AMA
He is good but he always plays some obnoxious ass comp
Which I guess he has to since arcane has been ass for awhile
Fight him in 2s playing warr healer into his arcane rdruid you can’t even play the game
Ur like 200 rating away
I got that the first 4 days of season

Lol def possible
Sometimes some matches as a warr are out of your hands
More than other classes imo
Tbh, has very few games that felt like that
Only lobby I couldn’t play was sp/destro/sub
That was actual cancer
And I didn’t play bad
Just absolute class-diffed
Yeah I played my lock for 2 weeks before patch got higher than ever on my warr which I played for years
Shuffle is just way easier on that thing
Ranged kick, spammable CC, infernal stun
Yeah he’s untouchable
Thing about fury though, you do not die
There has to be a lot of stuff going wrong for you to die
It’s really about if you can kill someone in time
Yep this one fury I fought in 2s when I was playing demo didn’t even bother to run from tyrant
He just stood in it taking max sams
Didn’t die
Fury back to being degenerate
They nerfed ir at beginning of Df for the same reason
This dude has to be a gamer
wtf are those achievements?

Probably the most decorated pvp Paul I’ve encountered so far

I MADE IT FELLAS:
They're buffing all three warlock specs
Are you fucking kidding me
Nice
🤣
Trying to get people moved over to d4
“Greetings warlocks, we’ve looked through the feedback —— buffs for everyone.”
brian plays it
Confirmed its a warlock main running the pvp department
Also explains why wars get insta nerfed
Jesus man
Affliction sucks
It does, yes, but now not so much
really glad i pushed early
It’s not like the other two specs are cooked
yes afflicion needs buffs:
can’t wait to play the full release of 10.1 in august
Just making sure the third one is also S+++
“Hello Players, we’ve noticed that destro and demo significantly outperform other dps in pvp combat. We hear you, this is not fair. So we buffed affliction to catch up.”
Tldr
death
taxes
multiple lock specs being S-tier at once
Affy also is mechanically unfun to play
Tell miradrake to press dispel on cd
Afflocks will dominate solo because no one knows how to not dispel ua
I can't wait to be yelled at by discs from Ragnaros about this
Weak
He’s busy casting mindblast

Time to unsub
Already have
I'll come back last week for enchant I cba
Whos rolling a barb for D4?

🤝
I am but no guides
If you arent rolling a barb get out of the warrior discord immediately
I wanna roll a monk but there is none 
Barb is monk
Barb was a lot of fun on beta
Crusader would also be acceptable if they existed
Unequip weapons
No
Get to the pala discord
Disgusting
No 
Thank god
Not unless you can corpse pop people like in D2
Smite PvP is good 
Youtube comment sections has good pvp
You just demonstrated you have no idea how Warrior works.
Before he warbreakers and tries to burst, he requires a minimum of 4 globals spent just on priming it beforehand
hamstring once in range
initial MS for Deep Wounds boost
Overpower
Overpower again
And this doesnt even mention spear/storm bolt/defensives he has to use to not die while on you and exposed to your teammate(s).
It isnt “he touched me and i died”. You let him sit on you and/or wasted your escapes before he Smash/WB’d.
You want to screw his burst window up every time without fail? Run roots. Fade when he uses Smash/Breaker to slip the string and start moving, then Root him. Breaker window is max 13 seconds. Every second he wastes getting back onto you is a second he isnt bursting. If he charges you and is running warbringer? Congrats, bolt is 1/2 DR which barely makes it a globals worth of stun eith Resolve.
If he isnt running warbringer? Fear him. Sure he breaks it, but thats valuable time ticking away during his burst window. Every global he ISNT on you is a global where time is on YOUR side, not his.
Suck it up buttercup, treat it like you would any other stun you can see coming. Its a short stun, not Mjolnir. Treat Spear like you would Smoke Bomb or Ring of Frost. Do you expect to sit in one of those for the full duration getting bursted on and survive without blowing a defensive? Are you that spoiled and entitled?
Start using your brain to think about things other than crying for people who arent you to get destroyed by daddy blizzard for forcing you to accept youre not a god.
Is this pasta?
It’s my daily diary entry
Hello,
I just rerolled Destro Warlock and it turns out, I'm actually really good at it. It just comes natural to me, my rating is climbing every game!
I've been struggling as warrior the last few years being stuck around 1300, but after playing lock for 4 days, I just hit my first elite! I'm even beating rank 1s and streamers!
I'm just happy I finally found the class that fits me and i'm naturally gifted at!
You see the cope after I posted it
Not once
So you're going by "Galachad" now nerd? Haha whats up douche bag, it's Tanner from Highschool. Remember me? Me and the guys used to give you a hard time in school. Sorry you were just an easy target lol. I can see not much has changed. Remember Sarah the girl you had a crush on? Yeah we're married now. I make over 200k a year and drive a mustang GT. I guess some things never change huh loser? Nice catching up lol. Pathetic..
Classic Tanner
200k and drives a mustang GT
guys im bad at math
when will the cap be high enough to be able to afford a full set
Is there a catch-up system in place for fresh 70s to get their shadow flame thing for crafting?
Maybe about 6-8k conq depending on your luck with vault and weps. You needed 12k for full honor gear from scratch
There is catchup mechanic for spark fragments , just go malicia’s PvP weeklies, the nifflem weekly and the all reputation weekly, it’s a chance in the reward bags
I think PvP bags from rated games also has a chance to drop. Worst case just go straight to nifflem place there’s a quest that gives you 1 full spark then you only need to do 1-2 weekly quests , catch up same week easy
audi rs5 here
hey guys I want to get into prot for RBG's for grand marshalls mogs, can anyone point me in the direction of resources to learn about it?
traitor
i know its probably super niche, but can prot work well in any form of pvp or naw?
Tanks take 50% more damage in PvP to discourage this due to prot pals and guardian Druid spam back in prior expansions
and im guessing they dont do any extra dmg either?
feel like it would be easy to tune the tank specs into essentially more dps specs for pvp
There is no burst with prot warr that I can think of, maybe heavy bleed but the only real time you might see prot warr is for rbgs to do some knocks or multi leaps with the flag but that’s gimmicky
never forget @steep inlet prot ✊
when u humen do u use dubbel dps trinkets or a Medallion?
🫡
singlehandedly getting a spec nerfed
respect
now do it for casters
i play holy priest :(
i would play my warrior but 45 min queue
i have no time for that fuck

:(
are warriors mid to bad now or have I just lost all my skill from last month
I think it's a combo of warrior getting slightly nerfed and casters being buffed
That and any smaller factors will make you lose
Are you even the slightest amount of tired? Focusing on something else for 1 millisecond? The loss is yours.
Guys how many haste do I need for pvp?
As fury
Then you've lost me
Like the start of SL
And the start of BFA
Locks are already giga strong, and getting buffed now
😴
Pve better than ever
Pvp is good too, just that y'all have to wait 45min in queue
I think they reduced Shadowflame wreather procs in PvP, procs way less then before
I don't get more then 4-5% out of it total
This is for fury
I don't know, games i've had last week have been 7-9% for sure
And now i don't go above 4-5
I feel if it's that low that sophic should edge it out easily
it's over, warrior bros
time to get long socks, skirts, chokers
and reroll mages/locks
b-but I don't like men, or boys
also pretty sure the boomies are the chad casters atm
yoooo arms > fury ? :ooooo
I don't know if I agree with sub being in S tier
Like yeah you annihilate people
But if an enhancement shaman looks at you funny you die
thats why enh > sub :>
Lol
I mean it's a pretty violent disparity
Or even rogue v arms, they kill me in the opener, or, I beat them until they're a small red stain on the pavement
Their burst being busted saves them
Otherwise theyd be b tier
just delete rogues
They're far from our biggest worry
Boomkin just rots your dick off with zero casting, while running around like a flapping retard
LMFAOOOOOOOO
That’s some funny shit made my morning
"we are unhappy with arms spike burst damage so we gonna nerf it" meanwhile enh doing 200k, rogues killing you in 3 seconds, destro locks being terminator
all good
That enhance and rogue burst is fucking retarded
Which weapon enchants as fury? Running sophic devotion and earthern writ atm.
would you spend 30k just to have 1% more damage than others?
or just 2k for sophic devotion and have almost the same damage
So x2 sophic devotion, not eathern writ?
Double shadowflame wreath doing 8% damage consistent 👌
Shadowflame armor patch 2.5-3%
Uptime is about 80% with two, meanwhile sophic devotion uptime maybe 30-40% with double
So Armor Patch > Thorns Helmet now?
Double shadowflame doesn't do 8% consistent, i don't get more then 4-5%
Armor patch is around 2-2.5%
Have you checked your overall?
I would say you are mistaken for that assumption
Yes it does
It 100% does 8%
Pretty consistent
I play the Annihalator/odyns fury build with full mastery, and i never got more then 6%
I’m using annihilator with onslaught and full mastery
Same 👆🏻
My enrage uptime would be higher than you too
This is from my last ss
Doesn't seem to calculate enrage properly since max uptime on battle shout is 77%, but enrage uptime is high
I don't see how you can get almost double uptime on wreathe then me
Your roar damage is quite low are you not hitting minimum 2 targets with it? Your odyns is good though
I’ll screenshot more in the games ti come but here was my most recent
Onslaught enrages you for 4s , 55% uptime on enrage is very low but I guess that’s a part of odyns fury build vs onslaught
it's not 55% uptime, max uptime is on battleshout which is 77%
don't know why it counts it like that
Oh the 30sexonds of preparations between each round maybe
yeah, seen it bug out few times
for roar i probably don't optimise targets, i just use it with everything
You should definitely hold it to hit minimum 2 targets, unless it’s a guaranteed killing blow
Like if they are 20% or something
Do you use 30 sec cd reduction with roar?
No I do not , I line it up with avatar reck
Yeah same, will try to get more targets
Basically if you and your team survives the initial 90s you’re second cd is maybe 80% win chance , just hold it and pressure them until they stand on their healer for help and make them regret
But yea I’ve seen very consistent 8% for my shadowflame wreath it was only 3% when I was 1 hand enchanted
What are you guys opinion on removing Bloodcraze to have a point in improved whirlwind in a cleave heavy matchup?
no
can be good, but it really doesnt matter too much tbh. fury is very much "train one target till dead, zugzug"
also, your whirlwind is like a 7 second cd with the annihilator build, so u lose value out of any whirlwind talent tbh
prob not worth taking at all
with that build
Oof.. so I can't use shadowflame if I want to go both arms and fury
u def can, but I would recommend jsut getting sophic instead at that point
Well arms and fury use diff 2 handers anyway but yes sophic for arms is better
the enchant isnt that impactful tbh. I feel like youre gonna do more burst if u get a sophic proc during ur avatar than if u get some 5k dmg ticks once in a while. I play double sophic and havnt had a single issue in terms of dmg
It depends on your sophic uptime , with 1 it’s only 30% or so, I am unsure about uptime for double
I also see Bajheera playing berserker's torment instead of titan. haven't tried it yet tho so I can't say
only time you should play that is in pve as far as im aware, since u get more recklessness with anger management. since u cant play that, it loses a ton of value
Man locks are broken
Def still does ~8% in most of my games
Some more examples of the pants vs. no pets:
vs. Ret/Fire/MW
vs. Disc/Eli/Fire
Would love to see someone sharing some uptime for Silken Blue Lining to compare
both games were approx. 3min long
Also, look at this massive proc inside arena with adjusted ilvl:
What's optimal boot enchant for arms? speed or stam?
I think speed might be superiour? Helps with catching up to ranged classes.
Yeah, that's what I ended up doing.
thinking of doing my second embellishment as legs (did warboots of impunity for my first). Is it best to just go with the Frostfire legs?
Or is belt the better way to go?
Double DPS as fury on any race imo
Macro active trinket into your burst with all CD’s and run passive dps trinket as 2nd
Nah, overrated imo
Haven’t used it since week 1
There is so much cc in the game, using a whole item slot to cleanse a 5sec of anything vs. deleting someone at random is not a trade I am willing to make
Would be more meaningful with less cc but rn trinket is a drop in the bucket
That’s at least my take
I know people rated higher than me think different but there are not that many left

Arms is different story since you can’t use dbs in stun - id probably still try it but definitely worse/more difficult to pull off
Think I need more mastery as fury.. got 26% atm
I have 49% in arena
Not sure what it goes up to in arena, haven’t checked it
Got about 20% haste and 31% versatility
Try to get as close to this gear as you can
I just checked, I have 40% to his 49% - so in arena he has well over 60% mastery
Gonna take a look at his gear once I get home from the gym, atm I think I’m more comfortable as fury than arms
Do I want to open up with my burst in solo shuffle or wait for a good window?
Always everything on CD
Only time you hold is if you have a 100% immunity like bubble or hop on the kill target
But I send full burst into anything else, pain sub, lock wall, karma, idgaf
Tempo
So straight in and unload the zug zug
Yep, my first CD’s are out 2nd or 3rd global every match
Charge, macro or charge, onslaught, macro
Recklessness - avatar - dragon?
Bolt healer or kill target after, rampage, odyns
So onslaught first to get the enrage?
Macro everything in 1
Yes, be enraged for macro
If you don’t run titanic rage you have to get enraged prior
If you do, just charge - macro
Been running onslaught over odyns fury atm
Ok, then onslaught - macro
Fury is all about tempo - so let’s say you macro, they see their health drop, use defensive about 4sec later
What happens is next time you have CDs their defensives are still on CD if they’re also 90sec
So over a longer round you get more and more windows where they cannot react to your burst
Another reason I send CDs early is because I don’t want people to get situated
Let’s say hunter runs in, traps, his healer is still on horseback
Now hunter is at 10% health, pops turtle, healer panics and pops a major CD as well
Round won right there
Do I write stopcasting in the macro? Or just cast recklessness - avatar - dragons roar?
I’ve posted mine in here plenty, currently not home
Can share later but sure others have a similar one
Would be very much appreciated!
Noob hunter
Happens all the time 
Onslaught to get enraged.. pop macro with recklessness- avatar and dragons roar. Those have global cooldowns right? So I have to press it several times
No, only roar does
If you press to fast you’re stilll GCD locked from onslaught so just make sure roar is on cd after but otherwise everything goes through
Also, do I try to ride up to them and start the smash, or do you open with a charge?
Depends on map - answer is again tempo.
If riding in means you get rooted, slowed, just charge
If you can los until you’re right on top of them and dismount, do that
But I charge 95% of the time
Except mages nobody can run you out of mobility as war
And mages if they go to no man’s land just swap and play 2v3 until they come back
Disarm into scatter
They bladestormed one?
Right, biggest pain is when there is x2 warlocks who keeps tping and demon gate all over the place
Well use 2nd one
They trinketed other, root
They avatar this one or bladestorm, root again
Freedom and run
And its easy as fuck cuz 90% of warriors are absolute retards with mobility skills
Vs double ranged always hit closest ranged

Wrecking throw with demolisher against warlock?
Used shattering throw the other game to fuck with a ret paladin
Using sidearm, so never wrecking throw then?
Wrecking over shattering
Never shattering
But I can’t run it between all the nodes in that part of the tree
Legit, I just run and they leap and double charge
That took me a long time to unlearn - chase a ranged instead of just playing 10sec of 2v3
Lock wants to gate on other side of map. Fine by me, now he has to waddle back whilst we pelt his healer and other dps

If i feel id lose ~6+ gcds i usually use mobility if i think enemy doesnt then have more than me
Worst part is if you chase hunter super far out and get frozen trapped
Now you’re so far away you can’t even charge someone

But i havent played in a while so it probably different
I could also see big difference between coordinated play and shuffle - shuffle those first few seconds are perfect to get ahead when people still apply their shields, hots, sit on horse, etc
Never wrecking throw, but sometimes shattering throw against palas then?
Right, never bubble/ice breaker
Nobody is going to let you cast shatter
I used it that shuffle cause a Druid kept whining at me for not popping the ret bubble
They’ll just cc you
Every class has 20 ccs. They’ll just throw one of them your way if you try and shatter
I got to pop his bubble twice that shuffle
So never shatter, but maybe wrecking? Or never either?
One warr chased me soooooo far xD
And he had 0 cds
Neither offensive nor defensive
@spiral elbowgo
Survival burst I still haven’t figured out
Where is bro
There isn't any really haha
Do you ever use wrecking throw or just zug zug their shields?
Explosive and death chakrams is the short cd one
Coordinated assault is 2min cd, allows to use killshot
Which is decent i guess xD
Depends, last i played you couldnt pop monk shield if they had stacks anyway, and lock shield got buttfucjed by demoliton + wrecking
Some have told me to only use wrecking throw against locks
Should really get gladius again.. removed it because I stopped doing rated in bfa
best choice for first piece of conquest gear?
The weapon is my guess
is it just subjective, or are fire mages in solo shuffle beyond broken?
They are strong for sure, but I wouldn't say broken, at least not as much as locks and boomkin
Fire mage does a lot of damage but they die easy if you get uptime
Locks and boomin do a shit ton of damage while being trained all game and they don't die
i find it very difficult to get uptime on mages, with all their shit
Yeah, boomkins will just jump around in bear form and still out dps everyone
The showtooltip didnt show up my Avatar because I wrote Avatard 
Hey guys. I wanna start to play PvP but i dont know where to start.
Which spec is good for with my Retri Pala friend ?
What should i buy with honor and conquest ?
What is the point of leveling up my gear if they are like "450 ilvl in pvp combat" ?
Thanks in advance 🙂
Urgh.. getting sparks in that stupid arena.. with druids hopping around doing 800 k hits...
Anyone tried using frostfire leggards of preparation for PvP ? Mostly battlegrounds
True fire mages aren’t op like demo and destro are
@stark reef
Is Battle trance worth using in solo shuffle? Since you tend to switch targets a lot.
What do we craft as fury? I did boots but idk what else
whats the second embelish we should take? see a lot peeps with mastery over 90% or dmg pants
als fury
Using them in arenas, I think it’s the best option for 2nd embellishment on fury
In BG’s should be incredibly good
That’s the big issue compared to fire, if you train fire their damage falls off a cliff - bommy you can train, they’re top dps and still have time to cast cyclone every 10sec

Fire just throw every cc in the book on the guy during combustion, that’s the only time they really pop off
Frost imo strongest mage with double block
Oh, so haste pants are better than the mastery helmet?
That’s definitely not consensus
I use them because I think they’re better but I am just one guy and I also haven’t seen the uptime of the mastery helmet
Well the helmet only works if you're above 90% health.
Doesnt take much AoE to push you down from that.
@stark reef Worth using battle trance in solo shuffle? Or do you switch target too much?
Yes, probably one of the best pvp talents
Biggest benefit of annihilator is that you can proc it
Check “healing done” after a match
It’s significant
Is the shadowflame patch bad now?
Any way to remove when blizzard shows the enemy team in solo shuffle?
Its sitting ontop of gladius showing the enemy team.
Definitely not bad - just very mid - 1-2% of total dam, sometimes close to 3% but usually lower
@stark reef I made the burst macro you spoke of.
Does it work?
Forced arms warrior to insta pop his defensives, and the healer to burst heal.
Then when it was ready again, I melted them from 40% health to 0 .
Yep, that’s exactly how it goes best case
#showtooltip Recklessness
/cast [nostance:2] Berserker Stance
/use Crimson Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/castsequence reset=2 Thunderous Roar, Rampage
It doesn’t matter I don’t either
I run Insignia.
Yeah, mine is simpler but that looks good - how does the cast sequence play?
I run determination
You press it twice?
Yep
Are you still liking double alacrity on human?
No, it actually doesn’t stack 
Lol
Damn that’s a shame
I run badge + insignia
Restored my 424 for nothing lol
Active and passive
Im using alacrity and medallion on human because of so much cc
@stark reef Also changed out some gear after that guy you showed. Up to 32% mastery out of shuffle now.
Perfect
Lol I just sit cyclone and brood.. prefer getting 70k Hp every minute as oh shit button
Nice man, you have lots of room. I’m at 44% in world
He’s prob best fury, also works for blizzard - can always copy his stuff and you’ll be set for a large majority of cases
Keep forgetting to check how much in arena but I should be over 50% right now
He's running Raging blow, but think I'll stay Annihilator myself.
Who? i missed it
Same even with 4 set I might just stay anni
Smexxin
It’s a minor buff but a buff regardless
Not best war but very committed to fury, always very high rated and also high in PvE so just a very solid guy to keep tabs on for anything new
He was almost 3k on fury in 3s last season when it wasn’t meta so he knows his stuff
But yeah, I simmed it, 40% uptime with both or just one - then checked details and same thing - I assume it just uses the higher ilvl one
Played with 1 trinket for 2 weeks

How do I make gladius show up outside of arena btw? Want to change it around a bit.
/gladius test 2/3, depending on how many units you want to show
Ah nice, do you know how to hide the blizzard default arena frames?
not sure, sorry
Do you ever swap in medallion for badge?
man so many double warrior shuffles lately 💤
I'm still getting my fair share of boomkins and warlocks.
I think smexxin is 100% on of the best warriors
Yeah, might be - definitely for fury
Yeh
Thing that is so good about smexxin is his awareness/game knowledge
But I think jellybeans is the most insane at that. Watching his 0-3k in blue gear last season is actually crazy
Wtf 19/19 on solo shuffle
You won 19/19?
Good to see he’s also gone titanic ring 450s (no embelish), that’s my move next week but I’ll probably put the well fed buff on it
The Smexxin warrior is 19/19 ss
Got 650 qonquest points.. should I buy something or save?
I’ve been spending mine on off pieces, ring, neck , etc
Btw this week you can get scalewarden 447 offhand , bracers and cape already
Next week you can also get 447 belt
Assuming you’ve been doing trophy of strife quest every week
Yeah I have, I got the offhand scale weapon, braces, and cloak
Considering maybe waiting for wednesday so I dont buy something I get in the vault.
Very nice
Hopefully it’s my last piece of tier next week..
Or else socket gahahaha
No one can change my mind about this - Bicmex is straight up the best player in the world, and if he touched warrior he’d instantly be better than any current r1
Especially better than @elfin surge
+1
Bicmex goat
mmkay
Dont worry you're still top warr
Cuz bicmex doesnt play any other class
doesnt bother me if he did
ill just come back the last two days of the season and push 400cr for r1
like i did last two seasons
EZ
Fair enough
Do I push for glad with KFC again?
Am I masochistic enough to do that again?
is there anyone with glad yet
Bicmex the kind of mf to play chess on his second screen while pushing r1
He's got his own discord
Ppl are cool there
Always some proper pvp survi discussions
Is arms or fury better for pvp
yes
Yes what? Yea you like to slob on some meat??
What gear? Chest plate or armor side?
That’s what happens you queue with petkick too much
BTW ROGUES ARE UTTERLY BROKEN
caps sorry
they're fucking disgusting
back to the usual I guess
overcompensating at its finest lol
??? i was in a random battlegrounds and been playing the whole way through havent left a single match wtf?
@stark reef have you tried smexxin's build with both onslaught and odyns?
i cant seem to get it to do more than just annihilator + odyns
Smexxin build = my sustain build I run 90% of the time
what matchups is enduring rage usually good for?
With the cheese burst build with DW for “lost rounds”
do you prioritize bloodbath over rb?
oh...
Also bloodbath/bloodthirst
Check the other load outs
happens, go next
no other comp in 2s right ow








