all i hear is "fotm reroll"
#pvp
mild thunder
teal hedge
Real
wheat jay
XD
fickle forge
Don't make me roll out the trinket on solar beam
wheat jay
fam
mild thunder
wheat jay
that was as far from fotm reroll as it possibly could have been
teal hedge
Artji the type of goon to hop on Pally during 10.7
wheat jay
Don't make me roll out the trinket on solar beam
Don't make me bring out the leap>intervene on me when healer was in smoke bomb dying
fickle forge
that was as far from fotm reroll as it possibly could have been
"I don't understand why people dislike 2s, I think it's chill" - Artji the survival hunter during S2 SL
mild thunder
Artji the type of goon to hop on Pally during 10.7
wheat jay
"just play a 2s spec"
mild thunder
excuse the shitty phone screenshot
mild thunder
my favourite alt is not playing wow
fickle forge
mild thunder
wheat jay
You played Rep
cuz i forgot to swap taletns after doing mage tower
mild thunder
enh is a fun as fuck alt tho ngl
worthy fern
@mild thunder I’ve been having a lot of fun on mine this patch
mild thunder
ascendance > brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > dead
twilit flax
ret is a fucking blast
teal hedge
ret is a fucking blast
mild thunder
really wanna ping a mod to ban you but i'll get banned instead
twilit flax
its like old school excocism
mild thunder
teal hedge
Nah, highschool has been chill
twilit flax
those days are over
teal hedge
Biggest guy in my class, also, still in highschool.
I'll graduate in 19 days
What the fuck
fickle forge
really wanna ping a mod to ban you but i'll get banned instead
: )
teal hedge
Who puts a space between the colon and the parenthesis?
plain lynx
Cant figure out of arms is stronger than fur
teal hedge
Right now, fury is in a sweeter spot than arms
plain lynx
Right now, fury is in a sweeter spot than arms
Might try fury then, got a build for it? :p
teal hedge
I only play arms
But there are pinned builds
Ultimately, they are comparable in power and you should focus on playing the one you enjoy.
plain lynx
Ahahah that would be the one with less buttons
hard vector
i am in need of advice. i have 1900 conqeust, -> pve andy https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/tarren-mill/taskov
what should i buy
teal hedge
Weapons
hard vector
i have the crafted one end ashkunder is it wort ?
teal hedge
No idea what that is
mild thunder
i have the crafted one end ashkunder is it wort ?
what ilvl?
hard vector
teal hedge
pvp items are 450
hard vector
yea i know just wanted to check because im mixing it up with 4 set from pve also
mild thunder
fury or arms
hard vector
fury
gaunt dune
full haste in arms or mastery?
teal hedge
Haste above mastery
hard vector
can probs just buy non-weapon stuff tbh
that is what i was thinking
mild thunder
get an upgraded bloody token wep for offhand
hard vector
ashkunder does nice dmg tho with dot
mild thunder
othert stuff is just more of an upgrade for you
plain lynx
Is primal molten better than infurious?
tawny brook
Haste above mastery
For fury?
teal hedge
I don't play fury
tawny brook
I don't play fury
O i see the guy’s question now mb. I thought you were answering the fury guy
teal hedge
Oh nah haha
gaunt dune
Infurious helm or primal molten with embellished? for arms
iron nacelle
patent juniper
why is solo shuffle taking so long to find a game for dps/:
teal hedge
Nobody wants to heal
wheat jay
Cuz pvp participation is at an all time low
For every 12k lobbies a day there's 170k m+ keys a day
void dawn
I'm sure its been asked 10000 times, how bad have the arms nerfs actually been, i've been running the same build this morning and it still feels aight
patent juniper
Cuz pvp participation is at an all time low
it sucks tbh to wait such long queue times time is valuable forreal
but i get it
gaunt dune
guys, is it better infurious helm or primal molten?
teal hedge
Doesn't primal molten have a noticeably lower ilvl?
gaunt dune
With a conquest component you can reach 450 pvp
teal hedge
Even with primal molten?
gaunt dune
Any professions object
gaunt dune
Even with primal molten?
I made primal molten pants with a shadow flame patch 450 in my dk
vapid tartan
I'm sure its been asked 10000 times, how bad have the arms nerfs actually been, ...
Sks is still pretty good, nerfs suck a bit but can def hit some nasty bursts still
maiden oriole
Which build are u guys running for solo?
And which would you choose for 2s with a healer? (disc in my case)
sharp meteor
Doesn't primal molten have a noticeably lower ilvl?
Should be able to upgrade most stuff to 450
mild thunder
Just another reason you should be stormforged
gaunt dune
so is primal molten or infurious helm better?
sharp meteor
Dunno.
We get a spark every other week.
Although we're limited on the 450 trophies for a while.
We can however nab the honor ones.
I just crafted sephuz boots and then the mastery chest that gives vers to allies.
I'll probably whip up the haste proc legs for demo or unholy (lmao dk) teams.
bright warren
I ffed up and didnt use the 450 piece :(, double check you have all the right pieces
sharp meteor
I ffed up and didnt use the 450 piece :(, double check you have all the right pi...
Recrafting order.
You'll need a few more ingots or w/e but it lets you reuse/keep the spark.
gaunt dune
Isn't there some embellished list?
boreal stone
What the fuck happened in here lmfao
gaunt dune
What the fuck happened in here lmfao
It is the early bird course to learn new things
boreal stone
Did a bit of reading. Not sure why people give this much of a shit
woven falcon
For fury in regards pvp conquest weapon trying figure out if I should go mastery or haste first and off hand should same as main hand or opposite? If it helps atm my stats in non PvP is 23% haste 22% mast 21% vers and in PvP stats are 30% haste 25% mast 29% vers, still using 4 set conquest, I do have honor gear for new season figured tier was better then that I’m hitting point in solo shuffle where not sure what should be doing gear combination wise. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you. ☺️
near delta
For fury in regards pvp conquest weapon trying figure out if I should go master...
Mastery is generally better for fury. People are going full mastery as much as they can now.
near delta
For fury in regards pvp conquest weapon trying figure out if I should go master...
You're definitely better off dropping the old 4 set entirely for honor gear at the point
They nerfed tier in pvp by 50% so it's not worth losing all that stamina and main stat unless your specs 4p was insane last season
woven falcon
They nerfed tier in pvp by 50% so it's not worth losing all that stamina and ma...
Dope ty so much that helps a lot! Do u know mastery cap I should am for by chance or when it’s starts to not beneficial? Enchants should stick with sop and air one? I was doing double frost last season and seemed to pretty well.
urban skiff
Dope ty so much that helps a lot! Do u know mastery cap I should am for by chanc...
mastery cap is around 1,000,000 %. It never stops being good.
Mastery increases your damage by 1% for every 125ish rating where vers raises your damage by 1% for every 200 rating.
boreal stone
For fury in regards pvp conquest weapon trying figure out if I should go master...
You don’t wanna go over 30% versa, it has a diminishing return after that breakpoint. Full mastery is good for fury, can play a little bit of haste as well on the pieces u can’t get mastery on. Should just go for full honor gear, grab a couple WPvP pieces (like wrist for example, they are Vers mastery) as well to min max
Going over 30% mastery is completley fine as well. I think I’m at like 54% on my war, and I can still get a bit more
near delta
Dope ty so much that helps a lot! Do u know mastery cap I should am for by chanc...
Either sophic or shadowflame wreathe are good
urban skiff
i've heard anywhere between 10% and 25% haste to make the spec feel good.
near delta
Wreathe is better but it's absurdly expensive
urban skiff
Wreathe is better but it's absurdly expensive
It's down to 25k on my server
near delta
Damn nice
urban skiff
i bought 4 the other day at 30k, sold two when it jumped back up to 60k
urban skiff
regret not buying 10-20 ish but doubt I could move that many before it dropped again
green wyvern
3v3 completely dead
urban skiff
3v3 completely dead
how is 3v3 dead?
green wyvern
how is 3v3 dead?
idk check drustvar.com
see activity
5 - 6k games played daily compared to 30k that shadowlands s2 had at start
urban skiff
what does activity matter? As long as you can get the queue to pop it doesn't matter whether there are 100 people or 100 million people
green wyvern
ofc it matters
urban skiff
why?
green wyvern
what do you mean why
what do you mean "queue to pop"
first you need to sit in lfg
or browse lfg just to find only 3 group listings
urban skiff
I mean why does it matter how many people play 3v3? You can still get your queues, whether there's a million or a billion people with you in queue makes no difference to the result: You fight someone
green wyvern
they should delete pvp and invest everything into pve and open world
they would lose 0 money
and probably gain a lot more
urban skiff
I don't understand what the point of this talk is. Blizzard isn't listening in this channel
boreal stone
they should delete pvp and invest everything into pve and open world
L take, migrate yourself out of the pvp channel
clear sparrow
should i bind heroic throw?
thick reef
Kek
clear sparrow
what is it good for?
thick reef
When you are rooted
boreal stone
killing totems
thick reef
It's free damage
boreal stone
kkepng ppl in combat
urban skiff
popping rogues who hit stealth or getting in combat or landing killing blows
boreal stone
etc.
thick reef
Yeah, Wrecking Throw & Heroic Throw have closed out so many kills its not funny
clear sparrow
alr cool
urban skiff
Yeah, Wrecking Throw & Heroic Throw have closed out so many kills its not funny
especially vs rogues who got a cheat death proc
boreal stone
wrecking throw is an entirely different ability
clear sparrow
and is slam worth spending rage on when playing arms?
urban skiff
if you have no ms execute ignore pain and are about to cap then sure, slam away
boreal stone
and is slam worth spending rage on when playing arms?
never tbh
dense cove
Do I have to spend 525 conquest to craft Signet of Titanic insight? 😕
rotund trellis
Do I have to spend 525 conquest to craft Signet of Titanic insight? 😕
you mean for the trophy of conquest token? pvp wq awards them
they're in the chest
iron fractal
Arms with skullsplitter still viable in shuffle?
Or is there a more preferred build?
boreal stone
Arms with skullsplitter still viable in shuffle?
sks is still better than spear/other MS focused builds imo
umbral bobcat
Boomie op thoughts?
boreal stone
yes, very op
zinc willow
sks is still better than spear/other MS focused builds imo
I'm running the bleed build without SS. its runnin pretty good. is SS still hitting hard and or worth it? i may switch back but idk. enjoying tje build i have now
boreal stone
play what u enjoy, but skullsplitter is still good
iron fractal
So you apply rend first and then warbreaker, or warbreaker then rend then sks?
boreal stone
So you apply rend first and then warbreaker, or warbreaker then rend then sks?
u should have a rend roling ideally, warbreaker, mortal strike, thunderclap/rend, sks
iron fractal
Yeah but you should reapply it just before a sks right?
boreal stone
yes
clear sparrow
i assume spear of bastion is nerfed?
boreal stone
crit nerfs made spear even less relevant
boreal stone
a bad choice?
the embellishment is bad
mint pulsar
it was my first opinion but i see more than 1 top rated warrior run it atm
stark reef
This channel makes things up on the fly and completely ignores what top rated players actually play.
Don't worry about it mate.
plush hare
you wanna use shadowflame embel
stark reef
Feelcraft only 🤝
mint pulsar
i heard Mud say shadowlfmae does no damage
urban skiff
Shadowflame path is around 1.5% damage, gathering storm is around 1.5% damage.
it literally doesn't matter what our second embellishment is, they're all equally good
urban skiff
I'm a rage bar half full kind of guy
stark reef
I can respect that
stark reef
urban skiff
massacre talent changed execute animation to condemn animation
urban skiff
it's my number 1 reason to play massacre as fury
subtle imp
it's my number 1 reason to play massacre as fury
this, 1000 times this
urban skiff
idk what spec im gonna be playing
arms is like being a surgeon with a claymore
fury is like being a butcher with two claymores (and dynamite)
clear sparrow
does fury have bladestorm tho
urban skiff
no
subtle imp
until pet meta eats your unhinged
subtle imp
yes, everyone is a god
clear sparrow
is there arms better than fury rn?
subtle imp
I had a nice bout with mez and his r1 friends in my fkn 1600 3s game
it didn't last more than 5sec
subtle imp
is there arms better than fury rn?
fury fotm atm, generally has higher rating in 2s and solo shuffle (not sure about 3s)
stark reef
Arms is higher in shuffle by about 100pts
subtle imp
arms is still good though, I just feel like it hits like a wet noodle
stark reef
Very close, probably comfort tbh
clear sparrow
i thought arms was more bursty
subtle imp
Arms is higher in shuffle by about 100pts
according to murlok, top fury is 2642, arms is 2283
granite basin
I check top mmr on facebook
zinc willow
trying to figure out 2nd craft
bajheera has a vid out on how to make this helm properly if u wanna check em out
stark reef
highest fury is 2186
stark reef
I check top mmr on facebook
boreal stone
oh shit, i see myself lol
clear sparrow
also i never played melee before but do you ever even kite or LoS shit as a melee?
all i see is people just run in and spam their shit
boreal stone
into caster cleaves, u have to run. U can honestyly stay in most of the time tho as a war
subtle imp
war is good coz you have leap to get out
boreal stone
depends on what kind of dps is on your team ahnd how capable ur healer is too tho
boreal stone
doesnt matter if u die trying to do damage
with this meta, u have to be a pillar humping bitch sometimes
subtle imp
yeah this meta is rough
clear sparrow
yeah they're annoying asf ngl
boreal stone
u back out when u have to. its good to go in on your cds, but u shouldnt just run out instantly after your go is over, u can still have big pressure outside of it as long as you minimize the dmg ur taking
subtle imp
it was a general assertion, you are obviously correct
clear sparrow
when do you have to back out then?, when healer used his cds or something?
boreal stone
u cant script it that hard bro. you have to get a feel for it. sometimes you get so much pressure that you can just run people down. sometimes you do your entire go and their hp bar doesnt move
clear sparrow
alr
worthy fern
@clear sparrow all about feels
Some items pillaring is flat out bad depending on what the other team is
Have to hide at the right moments
Ideally make the decision before all the damage goes out, demo lock pops tyrant and before one demon bolt is cast your all behind pillar already is a good example or a mage with icy veins
clear sparrow
yeah makes sense, thanks
gaunt scaffold
so fury is the move?
lyric violet
can casters just like not
obsidian loom
are boomies busted or?
boreal stone
so fury is the move?
Personal preference. Fury good into casters, arms good in cleave scenarios. Pick ur poison.
boreal stone
are boomies busted or?
Yes
gaunt scaffold
gotcha
lyric violet
i actually unsubbed fuck it
i dont like fury and i dont feel like being the warlock/mage/boomy/ele training dummy this season Lol
lucid walrus
that's commendable
lyric violet
gotta vote with your wallet its the only thing blizz gets Lol
lucid walrus
i just mean from the perspective of having the maturity to step away from a game you don't like
that as well ofc. too many people who make me question why they sub anymore
gaunt scaffold
yeah the caster stuff has been wild lately
not sure why the classes that wear dresses are tankier than dudes in plate
iron fractal
First single shuffle in a few days.. only warlocks and boomkins.
k
nothing but warlocks and boomkins, such balanced game they've created.
The amount of x2 warlock teams I'm meeting.
Such creativity.
magic wing
arms this patch compared to last oh man, feels so shitty
might be gear but still.. the crit nerfs
iron fractal
Really losing interest in this game.
So much fun being perma cc'd while casters cleaves are lolling about
Can't remember the last shuffle I had that wasnt full casters.
scarlet sorrel
what is the second embelishment that we wanna craft for arms?
craggy geyser
Caster szn
craggy geyser
Now it's still A+
Where’s fury? I haven’t checked recently
magic wing
Mage/lock/boomer everywhere
iron fractal
And ele shamans.
mint pulsar
do armor patych have to be r3 for pvp? 😄
spice hornet
153 000 chaos bolt.. wtf is this.
Lol that’s nothing. WW hits 200k RSKs
iron fractal
Well, according to developers, skullsplitter is the issue here.
spice hornet
It was really strong
iron fractal
Something else must be really strong now cause I sit in 45 min queues only to end up with 3 casters.
torpid roost
warrior feels like shit now and I'm sure it's a skill issue but what the fuck
sks hits like a wet noodle 4/5 games
consistent pressure isn't really viable when you get rooted to hell and stunned by 30,000 mini-ccs
iron fractal
Ye.. I feel like I spend the majorty of my games waiting for cc to end.
lol another match with nothing but casters
Literally sitting perma slow and cc
yepp, so done with this game.
Fucking boomkin in every single game.
magic wing
Thats the arms experience
hazy isle
Why are rogues still busted
iron fractal
I feel like a retarded child just slowly walking back and forth trying to even reach anything.
And the amount of insta-roots frost mages have..
Didnt blizzard say they wanted to reduce the amount of cc?
tawny brook
Ye.. I feel like I spend the majorty of my games waiting for cc to end.
Gnome or that root break fury has helps. I almost want to just play old arms without sks but with all the increased damage bleeds and wounds
floral mirage
what are the bis embelishments?
iron fractal
Gnome or that root break fury has helps. I almost want to just play old arms wi...
Considering jumping back to fury since at least I'll have a chance to hit someone and not be perma-rooted.
And sks feels like crap.
boreal stone
what are the bis embelishments?
The infurious boots and shadow flame for fury imo. Could also play the mastery one if fury as well, but it doesn’t seem very good or consistent. For arms, I don’t think the second embellishment really matters that much tbh
magic wing
I feel like a retarded child just slowly walking back and forth trying to even r...
Yeah this
You charge, mage blinks while keeping you slowed+rooted
Really fun when burst are nerfed to shit and consistent pressure is king
iron fractal
Really fun when burst are nerfed to shit and consistent pressure is king
Didnt feel that burst nerf when the mage kept hitting me with 100-150k ice lance and frost bolts..
magic wing
Only warrior has to feel it cause SKS was SO broken right
quartz wagon
Is there a way I can turn off nameplates for all of the fucking pets that hunters and warlocks spawn?
My HUD is just full of imps
worthy fern
@quartz wagon there’s an option to turn of minions which will do the small stuff like imps
One of the options is for trash and the other is for real pets and totems I can’t remember which
lyric violet
i gotta say reading your guys thoughts
is making me feel a lot better
Im sure its a bit of a skill issue on my part also but ive just been getting turreted every game
mild thunder
Only warrior has to feel it cause SKS was SO broken right
It was
The sks nerf was completely justified
The sharpen nerfs were the dumb part
iron fractal
Im sure its a bit of a skill issue on my part also but ive just been getting tur...
I only managed 3 shuffles today, drained me completely of all energy after only getting into caster cleaves keeping me in almost perma stunns/roots.
Favorite was the double warlock who would insta-port away the second you attacked them.
shy flame
Should I use a spark to craft the infurious helm or just buy the conquest helm?
stark agate
I crafted infurious personally, I still think it's worth
fiery marsh
guys, shadowflame enchant on both weaps? and is the shadowflame embellishment worth it?
muted surge
I didn’t know Arms had two
mild mango
guys, shadowflame enchant on both weaps? and is the shadowflame embellishment wo...
been wondering the same thing man, i have shadowflame on main hand and wafting on offhand idk if i should use 2x shadowflame or not
shy flame
I crafted infurious personally, I still think it's worth
Cool cool thanks
stark reef
Nah, they’re all terrible
No good options atm for 2nd
Making pants next week because fk it
fiery marsh
yeah I saved my spark
sadge
I got set legs, I think im gonna craft the helm and buy other conq gear
stark reef
Yeah, I’d eventually make something for the ilvl and 2% dmg is better than 0% but it’s all looking very mediocre at best
obsidian loom
So if boomy and warlocks don't get nerfed I'll be back season end for my enchant because this isn't worth the sub
stark reef
It’s the blizzard carousel
obsidian loom
Templates fixed all this idk why people sperged out about this
obsidian loom
Can balance a class in a minute looking at data
lyric violet
fun fun fun!
stark reef
Change it enough to keep people paying and playing
stark reef
Some frustration, some euphoria, the occasional incentive to re-roll
lyric violet
be more sane
stark reef
iron fractal
That mage name is more creative than the caster matches you're getting.
lyric violet
iron fractal
I only did enough to get vault reward, sitting in 45 minutes queue to afk in CC or hump a pillar was enough fun for one day.
mild thunder
Can balance a class in a minute looking at data
Data doesn’t tell the entirety of the story. Warriors tend to always be well-represented regardless of strength for a ton of reasons. Some specs, like ele shaman, are underrepresented despite being very strong.
Even if data did tell you exactly what specs were strong, it doesn’t tell you how to nerf them
iron fractal
I'd start with pruning the amount of auto/mass aoe CC.. and maybe pushing down on the 150-200 k crits.
Cause getting hit by 150k spells you can't interrupt.. with 41% versatility is dumb.
obsidian loom
Data doesn’t tell the entirety of the story. Warriors tend to always be well-rep...
entertaining your thought: sure, there's non-captured datapoints but it'll be correlated with many measures and likely to a better job than the random bullshit +-5% spells we have now
mild thunder
entertaining your thought: sure, there's non-captured datapoints but it'll be co...
the best way for devs to understand how/why/what to tune is for devs to participate in that area of the game
and that's why pvp struggles with poor tuning
stark reef
They don’t want it to be balanced
They want it to incentivize as many people as possible to spend as much time/money as possible
obsidian loom
i believe roxi's hypothesis over anything else
ion's literally been on camera saying "everyone gets a turn" for pve
mild thunder
well that's the other thing, yea
perfectly balanced games arent as fun as fluctuating games
obsidian loom
if you wanted to outsource community feel, put a ban system in
mild thunder
people wanna be able to reroll to fotm spec #413 and roll noobs in bgs because that's the average pvpers' experience
obsidian loom
most banned classes probably need a look at
iron fractal
I found that a lot of top arms in shuffle now has dropped SKS, so I changed that up at least.
stark reef
Riot says the same thing - I quote “we design our game for people that play every day. If you take a break of two weeks you are behind. That’s our design philosophy.”
iron fractal
Not that I could barely get my sks in.. I got up to them, placed a rend and they were already gone by then.
lyric violet
I found that a lot of top arms in shuffle now has dropped SKS, so I changed that...
link
patent juniper
https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/solo
where can i find more sites like this this looks cool
rotund trellis
where can i find more sites like this this looks cool
why do you need other sites? murlok is already good
woeful solstice
murlok, pvpleaderboard, check-pvp, drustvar
all work
murlok is good because it aggregates top players so you can see what the top pick is as well as a few secondary options
fresh valve
https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/solo
that a fist weapon or is it cuz its ai art?
woeful solstice
thats a filter
fresh valve
mf got the doomfist on
spice hornet
Getti 2.0
mild mango
my shadowflame is doin like no dmg like 1-2% of my dmg am i doin something wrong?
elfin surge
Fury Warriors present a significant challenge in World of Warcraft PvP due to multiple factors. Firstly, their reliance on the rage resource requires careful management to balance resource generation and expenditure, necessitating a deep understanding of the class mechanics. This requires skillful decision-making to optimize damage output and survivability while maintaining a consistent rotation. Secondly, Fury Warriors have limited natural mobility compared to other melee classes, making it difficult to close gaps, stick to targets, and avoid crowd control effects. Successful positioning and effective engagement require strategic movement and anticipation of opponent actions, adding an additional layer of complexity to playing Fury Warriors in PvP. Overall, the combination of resource management, burst window execution, positioning, and decision-making makes mastering the Fury Warrior playstyle a challenging endeavor in World of Warcraft PvP.
rotund trellis
What you think about this build?
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twilit flax
Fury Warriors present a significant challenge in World of Warcraft PvP due to mu...
my guy trying to hit it
really wish arena and bgs would give flight stones
they only give the big ones
mild mango
man i feel like ppl are figuring out fury and im getting torn apart with cc's and cant even move
twilit flax
theyre for pve
fresh valve
fury is a good pve spec
twilit flax
tell me what the bad man did to u
tawny brook
Is primal molten helm bussin?
visual river
its better than nothing, bajheera has also made molten helm with shadowflame patch recently on arms
overall its still 2-3% in damage the last few shuffles i've done, same as shadowflame wreath on 1 wep
stark reef
🤣
Guy went 0/6 on blades-edge and lost his marbles
1950 bracket sure is getting spicy
fresh valve
whats the profit
mystic barn
mild thunder
i am a stormforged
i am a stormforged
i am a stormforged @mystic barn
(im schizophrenic)
mild thunder
breaking bad-tier transition
stark reef
Worst part about fury is queueing into arms and having to play double war
I have won 1 double war game today out of maybe 8
lean burrow
whats the profit
you provoke and ban that guy
stark reef
whats the profit
PvP is all about rustling jimmies
fresh valve
ik lmfao
stark reef
Serious question - as double war, do we just go meele if it's ranged/meele?
Losing so much fkn dam chasing a guy
uneven turret
so what gear am i supposed to craft this season?
stark reef
5/1 vs. destro, demo, bm
this meta is good training - kicks still absolute ass but positioning and situational builds coming in slowly
torpid roost
Serious question - as double war, do we just go meele if it's ranged/meele?
I look at it kinda the opposite way, stack on the ranged, shut down what you can, and if the melee wants to be on you he has to be next to you, allowing cleave
stark reef
Just losing 2 much dmg as double war chasing ranged
torpid roost
that depends on the ranged, I suppose
stark reef
Every escape is now double value
torpid roost
good mage or something
torpid roost
also split pressure is a thing, but if it's solo shuffle, lol, good luck with that
stark reef
i like split pressure more than training ranged
actually won 1 double war game vs. destro/eli with split pressure
but yeah, tough to pull off
torpid roost
maybe it's because I'm just getting into the 1600s right now but any kind of strat besides "KILL THIS GUY, MAYBE CC HEALER IF YOU HAVE A SPARE BRAINCELL" seems to backfire
stark reef
i think training the meele and taking them out of the game quick is the play
very few meele can just chill on 2 warriors so they have to pull back and lose tempo
stark reef
maybe it's because I'm just getting into the 1600s right now but any kind of str...
I've been at 1950 for 1 week straight
Every game is multi-glads and r1
stark reef
People flaming you with their crimson legend achievements
torpid roost
probably solidly 1500
stark reef
Yeah, deflation is real, but i like it, rating feels earned
torpid roost
I wanted Crimson Legend so bad
torpid roost
didn't start pushing until the last week of the season then had a fucking hard drive failure sideline me
torpid roost
not that I was good enough anyway, but, even if I were god I wouldn't have made it with those parameters
stark reef
Last season was nice for crimson legend because big inflation, rn, literally impossible - hard to tell how it plays out later but rn wars not even getting elite
torpid roost
Wouldn't it be Obsidian Legend this season?
stark reef
Yeah
torpid roost
and it's just... what, 100 games over 2400?
stark reef
Not sure if I will, either
torpid roost
might be able to scam my way into a raid to get that nelth sword mythic
stark reef
Trying but not sure - seeing people that are massively better than me not move in rating is a bit monkaS
torpid roost
you're probably underselling yourself a little
and I'm intentionally gear hamstringing myself waiting on vault drops
I'll probably spike a bit mid season
lean burrow
help me bros
stark reef
you're probably underselling yourself a little
I can do a lot of dmg, I don't think r1 wars play the rotation much better than me but the experience, the comfort with the different maps, knowing each comp without having to guess who to hit, clean swaps, clean kicks on key spells - that's not stuff you can just do in a few weeks of arena
torpid roost
I know how to set up hard switches and I'm rotationally.... competent
mild mango
ok im confused for some reason my Mortal Strike is now applying rend
stark reef
But yeah, I know how to do a lot of dmg so I got 2k first week but since than haven't moved
torpid roost
but yeah I still don't know who we should be focusing down
positioning is pretty okay
torpid roost
ok im confused for some reason my Mortal Strike is now applying rend
talent makes that happen under.... 30%? 35?
also I kick the wrong school of shit way too often
mild mango
oh shit i never knew that existed
torpid roost
it's new as of 10.1
stark reef
Another thing you have to learn yourself is playing with each spec
torpid roost
yep, another glaring weakness
stark reef
You can be as good as you want to on your class, at some point you have to know how to win games with each spec on your team
torpid roost
like I get the general, overarching idea behind most classes, but, specificity, and how to REALLY assist them? Not.... Not quite as much
I'm pretty much just like, slightly educated unga bunga zugzug now
instead of UNGABUNGA, it's I Unga, therefore I Bunga
stark reef
I'm getting better at it, i know for example when I need more burst and when I need to be tanky and absorb pressure but I frequently find myself not moving well with my team
torpid roost
that's much easier in 3's
usually have them on voice and the like
can communicate
stark reef
Oh yeah, comms fix that instantly
torpid roost
versus just kinda reading the room
stark reef
But I feel like the people I verse, at least some of them, don't need comms
Or at least they don't need comms for that
torpid roost
well some classes the visual design language is clear enough that like
you know when they're popping coolies
stark reef
Maybe more a caster thing, I think as caster you have a better map awareness since the game isn't right infront of you
And you think about terrain different with your gates and blinks
stark reef
As warrior I just see the target, my CD's, my charge charges, my HP bar
uneven turret
am i pressing rend at all
torpid roost
yes, unless you're blood and thunder
uneven turret
or slam
uneven turret
when do i press rend
torpid roost
realistically about the same
SKS is a button but it kinda simplifies the rotation just a bit
uneven turret
like holy moly now i got an extra button to shockwave
torpid roost
I run up, hamstring/slow (unless you have one on your team and it's already rolling), MS, rend, stack two OPs, CS->usuallysharpen->MS->reapply rend for pandemic timer to get it to 24s -> SKS
EP and other stuff would change that
torpid roost
just keep rend up all/most times
uneven turret
can i macro rend to anything
uneven turret
Thunderous Roar
uneven turret
i am playing the build in the pin. TR without SKS
torpid roost
I USUALLY pop that before CS but I'm starting to think that's not the play
rox/mud/somebody actually recently high rated would probably be better to ask that specific questio nto
uneven turret
Arms has a huge button bloat issue
uneven turret
lol, you can get more buttons
unless i grow extra hand no
torpid roost
If you're playing with a third that has a stun I find it redundant
which most classes do have a stun
uneven turret
If you're playing with a third that has a stun I find it redundant
a third?
torpid roost
I assume we're talking 3's or solo
uneven turret
solo
torpid roost
I like it more for solo
just because if you get a complete fuckwit
you can take on more of the burden of CC
torpid roost
lot of options
bitter immunity (another button, though) and blood and thunder are common
I like the overpower/pummel CD reduction too but it seems like nobody takes it so it's probably not actually good
torpid roost
there's other stuff you can get and you don't absolutely need it but that extra stamina is nice
and mezz/sap/whatever being cut down is an okay side benefit
vs the solo bracket of same
looks like most all the top warriors are taking shockwave, actually
lot of blood and thunder and TC
(which eliminates rend from your bar, but, adds TC to it)
subtle imp
(which eliminates rend from your bar, but, adds TC to it)
should you actually not have rend on your bar in that case? for single target the initial hit does more damage and can be used with less rage
not that being rage starved happens often in pvp
torpid roost
I do, but he's trying to play the minimum amount of buttons
subtle imp
oh right
uneven turret
I do, but he's trying to play the minimum amount of buttons
what build do u recommend for that
mild thunder
where can i move shockwave to
why would you drop shockwave?
uneven turret
also wtf is my second craft? i see some going infurious helm, some going regular helm, but what embelishment do u put on regular helm?
uneven turret
why would you drop shockwave?
button bloat.
lucid walrus
we have like 3 rn yeah
torpid roost
I don't know how/why people say that shit
subtle imp
yeah I have 12 * 4 buttons that I frequently use
uneven turret
its okay ill figure out a button for shockwave....but can u guys tell me about 2nd crafted? whats gonig on witht he helm
mild thunder
its okay ill figure out a button for shockwave....but can u guys tell me about 2...
there's no consensus
craft something
differences between them arent that big
torpid roost
leap charge rend pummel hamstring battleshout commandingshout ignore pain mortal strike heroic throw execute piercing howl bladestorm shockwave stormbolt CS/WB, trinkets, sharpen, disarm, duel, roar
23 buttons that are just like
absofuckinglutely mandatory
mild thunder
so either ugprade infurious helm, or this?
pick whatever you want
heroic throw? mandatory
bruh
subtle imp
ya warrior has a lot of buttons
uneven turret
pick whatever you want
well infurious helm has crit/vers
mild thunder
do you think the average warrior is using heroic to stop restealths?
subtle imp
that is not an exhaustive list
- then you have focus macro buttons
or arena 1 2 3 if u are a god
torpid roost
int shout, OP, shatter/wreck, yeah,arena macros
mild thunder
you also listed stuff that you also wont always have or plainly dont need to bind
torpid roost
if you think warriors don't have buttons you don't play warrior or you're 1100
what? Like.... Battleshout?
that's about the only one that you really don't need bound there
subtle imp
battle shout goes on my OPie ring haha
mild thunder
bshout, duel/disarm, hamstring (most ppl put it in a charge macro), heroic throw defs not mandatory...
lucid walrus
idk man give shift binds a whirl
subtle imp
I use all three lol
mild thunder
seriously tho, anyone that complains about warrior having too many binds, play sv for 5 minutes
torpid roost
I'm not the one bitching about button bloat, but, "hurr we have like 3 buttons" is a mongo take
subtle imp
alt and = is my heroic throw 😉
mmo mouse ftw
hunters have a lot of buttons just in general
lucid walrus
compared to any other spec in the game we get off easy
subtle imp
nobody is saying warriors have more
torpid roost
rogue has fewer, though not by a lot
mild thunder
annihilator fury just wreaked havoc on warriors' brains man
torpid roost
my priest has about the same amount except a lot of matches you just don't use a good number of them
mild thunder
nobody is saying warriors have more
my point is arms does NOT have a button bloat issue
subtle imp
I feel like my DK and DH have literally zero buttons in comparison to warrior
torpid roost
TBC arguments up in this bitch
lucid walrus
3 is hyperbolic but if you're running out of bind space then you're actually just missing fingers
mild thunder
not even
swifty is literally missing a finger
and still plays warrior
it's a skill issue
torpid roost
KEK
subtle imp
my point is arms does NOT have a button bloat issue
Who said arms has a button bloat issue? I don't think anyone did. Kahuna just said we have more than 3 buttons
mild thunder
Arms has a huge button bloat issue
here
torpid roost
I think every class has a mild button bloat issue
torpid roost
it's not nutty, it just seems asinine
mild thunder
mild thunder
I think every class has a mild button bloat issue
no
they fixed the button bloat "issue" in wod and it was horrible
mild thunder
arms is a utility spec, it should always have a lot of utility
torpid roost
going back to retardation is NOT my proposed solution there
mild thunder
the tradeoff is we have the most braindead rotation known to man
torpid roost
lmfao
mint pulsar
With the new talent rework in dragonflight, most classes saw a huge increase in binds geting access to more abilities. No class is close to SV hunter though, thats when we can start talking bind issues
mild thunder
With the new talent rework in dragonflight, most classes saw a huge increase in ...
sv and potentially enh are two of the only specs ive recently played where i'll have that conversation
subtle imp
sv really does have a fuck load of buttons
mild thunder
feral used to have bloat issues but now that spec is braindead
uneven turret
arms is better than annhilator fury in solo right?
torpid roost
if you wanted to take the "too few" buttons conversation, like, annihilator fury, yeah
that's a low amount of relevant buttons
mild thunder
you know what i hate about annihilator fury? that spec could have been so fucking fun if they didnt rework reckless abandon
subtle imp
it just loses out on rampage compared to non-annihilator though right
mild thunder
actually rotating your spenders and perfecting that rotation wouldve been so cool
subtle imp
like its the same amount of buttons, minus 1
torpid roost
actually agree on that point, could've been cool
uneven turret
Arms > Annihilator fury right? for solo shuffle
torpid roost
and a layer of cool WITHOUT "holy fuck, buttons!" being the "skill" check
check the .... menu on the bar
player vs player
solo shuffle
subtle imp
just play whatever you are more interested in
mild thunder
it just loses out on rampage compared to non-annihilator though right
and onslaught technically, since all but anni builds use it
subtle imp
which seems to be arms
mild thunder
vicious contempt also renders execute mostly pointless
torpid roost
currently arms is ahead but not by a margin that makes a substantive difference
uneven turret
just play whatever you are more interested in
i am interested in a ccompetitive solo shuffle build that has as few button as possible.
uneven turret
currently arms is ahead but not by a margin that makes a substantive difference
k thanks
torpid roost
anni fury
mild thunder
man, early DF beta fury was looking so fun when they had access to rend and a few more generators
subtle imp
if you want fuck all buttons, anni fury
mild thunder
then they neutered the fuck out of it
torpid roost
you could literally play it as a paraplegic
subtle imp
or just play a boomkin, run around without casting anything and top damage for 6-0
uneven turret
anni fury
i know i played it last season, but based on what i saw, arms has a clear advantage on the leaderboard no? for solo shuffle.
torpid roost
MOONFIRE STARFIRE LOL ROOOOOOT BEEEEAAAAM LOL CYCLONE I ARE GLADHEATER
subtle imp
i know i played it last season, but based on what i saw, arms has a clear advant...
but it also has more buttons...
subtle imp
for fury, I think raging blow/onslaught is the current top-end
torpid roost
arms is slightly ahead
mild thunder
but it also has more buttons...
arms verges on being a 2-button spec as well
torpid roost
~150pts overall last I checked
mild thunder
ms > op > ms > op > op > ms
uneven turret
for fury, I think raging blow/onslaught is the current top-end
better than annihilator?
subtle imp
better than annihilator?
I'm definitely finding it better atm
torpid roost
remove micro CC's
subtle imp
ms > op > ms > op > op > ms
for main rotation yes, it is very simple. But the overall amount of buttons when factoring in everything relevant to an arena match isn't particularly small
torpid roost
and unintentional slows
subtle imp
and fire mages
torpid roost
Like, yeah, dude, your target dummy rotation is braindead simple
imagine if it wasn't
mild thunder
remove battlelord
buff rend
make slam affected by storm of swords and make the slam buff talents baseline
easiest way to make arms cool
torpid roost
need a straight up galaxybrain to compete in arena
mint pulsar
I'm definitely finding it better atm
How do you prio raging blow over bloodthirst? I tried it on the pvp dummy and you can literally remove BT. RB procs so often
mint pulsar
Or, whats your prio?
mild thunder
why am I playing with literal mouth breathing retards
skill-based matchmaking
subtle imp
How do you prio raging blow over bloodthirst? I tried it on the pvp dummy and yo...
I don't use multiple charges of RB or the proc talent, so I prio it over bloodthirst but press bloodthirst way more
lean burrow
why am I getting ruins of lordaeron every fucking game
torpid roost
Or, whats your prio?
BT heals you. Just saying.
mint pulsar
Yeah fair
mild thunder
you know what'd be cool? arms getting enrage back
torpid roost
yes
and unrelenting assault back
the version that cut spellpower if used during casts
UA's had like 40 reworks
subtle imp
what the fuck is unrelenting assualt
torpid roost
and, us having enrage back would add a layer of play to druid/rogue countering warrior
old talent that's been reworked a shitload
the iteration I'm talking about made it so if you hit overpower while your enemy is casting it cut spellpower by 50%
used it as a sharpenblade before sharpenblade
subtle imp
jesus, that seems kind of busted given how often you hit overpower
torpid roost
wasn't the case at the time
it couldn't be 50% now
unless we wanted warriors to be downright oppressive (which.... I kinda do, but, no)
torpid roost
kek
alternatively just.... make roots less spammable and bullshit
have 16 root breaks, still end up sitting in them
subtle imp
wait, you don't like gladiatorLOSA screaming the same thing at you 60 times in 3 seconds?
torpid roost
I keep telling myself I'm gonna make a version of gladiatorlossa that's like, usable
just say the shit that you actually need to fucking hear
subtle imp
I've gotten used to it, I can't survive without that addon
I've subconsciously learnt to filter out the garbage
and pick out the important things
torpid roost
I got that way too but christ is it spammy
subtle imp
POLY POLY POLY POLY POLY POLY POLY POLY POLY POLY
I don't think it is a problem with the addon tbh, it is a problem with spammable abilities that warrant her saying shit
undone pumice
micro cc my beloved
lean burrow
why tf you don't just disable useless shit in glossa
torpid roost
no no that's micro pp
undone pumice
iove me a .3 second stun to interrupt any and everything im trying to do
torpid roost
^
torpid roost
why tf you don't just disable useless shit in glossa
that's a thing? I might reinstall it
that's basically the changes i wanted to make to it, lol
subtle imp
yeah you can customise what it tells you
torpid roost
oh
subtle imp
like completely
torpid roost
well then it might very well be super useful again, nevermind
mint pulsar
well then it might very well be super useful again, nevermind
Yeah i am using lossa for like, a handful of abilities. Just turn everything else off 🙂
torpid roost
yeah my bad for going off on it - I genuinely didn't know that customization was added
changes my opinion entirely
subtle imp
its had customisation ever since I started using it in SL
mint pulsar
Btw, if they havent fixed it yet. You cant customise abilities in LOSSa without changing the config file. Theres a line wrong. Its easy to fix
Surely an update has taken care of it. If not, look at comments on curseforge
Ill just post fix here since were talking about it
torpid roost
that might explain why I didn't know about it
seems like a mega-easy oversight to fix
uneven turret
is this viable for solo shuffle?
no shockwave, no BS, minus 2 buttons and gain 1 button for SKS.
subtle imp
both of those are good abilities though
ruby temple
Why wouldn't you take BS?
ruby temple
Well I'm sure the builds damage is fine but you are losing a free 6 sec unstoppable, and an aoe stun for what looks like very little
It's a caster meta right now and if you BS on top of a clothy they're going to panic defensive every time
torpid roost
much like being homeless - they don't know that you aren't unhinged
ruby temple
Wish unhinged would just hit your target so the million demo/BM/unholies don't make it a dead node on load in
torpid roost
Right?
twilit flax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCC1SVoCr1o&t=870s
dont use this build i tohught it was good but its not
check out my boy
harry is making gains why arnt u
torpid roost
alternatively just give the vulpera talent to everyone that gives us a 5%hp shield for every new attacker, lol
completely negates a lot of demo lock pressure
ruby temple
Wait is vulpera secret BIS
mild thunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCC1SVoCr1o&t=870s
TL;DR flarkness' warrior guides were horrible
check out bajheeras stuff if you want video guides
plus he lifts, flark has no shoulders
torpid roost
kek
mild thunder
never forgive, never forget
torpid roost
I was playing rogue and they had a DH FC and a monk escort for him
I wanted to suck off a pistol that whole game
"okay rogue your job is to harass the FC"
mild thunder
yea he literally doesnt play unless he's stacked with healers
torpid roost
well, gotta protect that ego and make content
if I had the option to always have stacked healers, frankly, I'd always have a healer stack
mild thunder
tbf id probably do the same if i was a streamer
but it's still cringe
baj just gets memed on for all the braindead stuff he's said, like the OP/IP macro
mild thunder
back in SL he made a guide where had an overpower + ignore pain macro
torpid roost
kinda like my full mongo CS-SB macro
mild thunder
bruh
mild thunder
bajheera is defs not a bad player, he does a lot of stuff super, super well... but yea he also kinda gets carried by the better plays he plays with
torpid roost
I mean outside of the AWC streamers I'd say that's most of them
mild thunder
which is fine - he's at a point with his content where he can choose to focus more on creation and his channel instead of constantly trying to 1-up other players
torpid roost
Swifty, he's very good, but I've crushed him in duels and I'm thoroughly mediocre
mild thunder
ngl swifty just... isnt good
torpid roost
baj, same deal (haven't actually fought him a lot)
mild thunder
anymore
torpid roost
but even during his heyday dude wasn't actually that good
mild thunder
🫡
mild thunder
he was just super entertaining and one of the pioneers of wow content
also somehow the least autistic gamer at the time
torpid roost
yep
kek
it was still a sweaty hobby
like, I went to blizzcon 07 and a couple more recent ones
mild thunder
everyone else was like asmon, sodapoppin or hotted and swifty was just the most normal/healthy and so he was a more respectable face
torpid roost
I got booth girl attention simply because I had recently bathed and was big enough/looked fit enough guys would stop bothering them for 5 minutes
also the smell at the anaheim convention center, jesus, christ
HOWEVER, that being said, it was a better convention at the time, and I'm not gonna back down from that
torpid roost
but I am glad that hygiene among nerds has uh.... gotten way better
I know some blizzard staff so I kinda go at a discount
can't go to the con for free but I get like, a spot to crash at and stuff
uneven turret
what embelishemnt do we put on helm? shadowflame-armor -patch? what rank
torpid roost
I honestly don't know the second embellishment we need
first is the boots with the CC = str thing
that's 100% the play
the other.... the shadowflame shit is like 1-2% damage at best
I'd almost go with a weapon with a damage proc or some shit
twilit flax
its negligible
you can replace the helm if u get a tier helm and then just craft whatever piece ur missing
hopeully its top half
the greater trophy
but u might not get another so id just wait
lean burrow
i misclicked and didn't choose the skip for forbidden reach questline
now i can't begin caverns questline on hunter
can't get spark now
torpid roost
oooooooooof
woeful solstice
meh no rush for alts imo
in like 2 months youll have unlimited sparks and a conq cap removed lol
woeful solstice
ya its kinda crazy
torpid roost
Rogues needed something to compensate for a few changes, but i don't really think this was the answer
uneven turret
you can replace the helm if u get a tier helm and then just craft whatever piece...
huh? and waste the spark?
lean burrow
in like 2 months youll have unlimited sparks and a conq cap removed lol
i'd rather grind alts to rival now
while gear gap is small
lean burrow
giga cringe trying to climb end season when everyone is bis geared
and i'm in honor gear
lean burrow
i don't play enough to get boxes
i'd have like 3 boxes that give 2 trinkets and bracers
twilit flax
with how dead the server is right now, itll be opposite come end of patch
they will all be at 3700
lean burrow
shaman and lock were ez rival in 1 day
twilit flax
getting elite mog will be like getting 1100
lean burrow
hunter is cringe
stuck 1.7k
this is third day playing this shit
going 4-2 then 2-4 makes me want to scream n-word
mint pulsar
shadowflame wreathe is at 25k, have we decided if its worth x2 or no? 🙂
over double sophic which i currently have
torpid roost
shadowflame wreathe is at 25k, have we decided if its worth x2 or no? 🙂
purely opinion/conjecture
but I say sophic 100%
twilit flax
how do u even get that many ques
twilit flax
oh yeah true
visual river
Hard stuck 1700 this week from 1800 week 1 sad times, hopefully better next week
torpid roost
what're the best tier pieces to have
*in pvp, arms
if we even give a shit anymore
mild thunder
as arms i wouldnt even bother with tier tbh
torpid roost
2.5% crit sounds useful, but.... not... worth sacrificing anything for
chest is haste/vers and a shitload of vers
hands invert that
mild thunder
still stuck 1.7k and ending the day:
you'll get there, king 👑
lean burrow
i'm not noob
mint pulsar
Cant wait not to fight r1s at 1800. Scrub 2s bracket but still. A few more weeks i guess