pvp

[mild thunder]

wow doesn't have to be a daily thing, bud

[vapid tartan]

you need time management xd

[twilit flax]

right

[mild thunder]

virtually everyone i know in this game is a happily married man/woman with kids, successful and budding career and still gets in their m+ pushes and what not

[twilit flax]

na

if youre streaming like bajerra than i guess okay , thats his job

but still , i get to spend more time with my kid than he does, and hes home 24/7

[twilit flax]

ur forgetting a million other things here tho bro

[vapid tartan]

bro it sounds like your friend circle is exclusive neckbeards living in their moms basement

[twilit flax]

meal prep, clean ur ears, shave , wash the gouch ,

clean the floors

take out the garbage

work on side hussle

[tribal holly]

Why wouldnt that be possible with wow?

[twilit flax]

all those things go by thge way side to the lord azedroth

azeroth

i can do a daily break down if you want , i love this stuff

[vapid tartan]

have you considered that not everyone has an unhealthy addiction to wow

[twilit flax]

1 hr comute to work , 8 hour work day, 1 hour commute back. 10 hours. 8-9 for sleep

so u now have 5-6 hours left

[tribal holly]

10 hour work day

[twilit flax]

okok

4 hours left

just spend it all on wow, well do laundry next month

[tribal holly]

If you spend 2 hours a day on commute move closer

[twilit flax]

i gotta give it to blizz tho, the new gearing makes time in game alot less than it use to be

[vapid tartan]

you can literally spend 2 hours a day 5x a week and be a good player xd

probably less if youre already experienced

[twilit flax]

but in turn.. people just make more alts

so ur not really getting any time back out of that

[twilit flax]

theoretically, with this gearing system, you definitly could

especially since finding people to play with is easier

but this is assuming you have buddies that play at the same time as u and they arer reliable

also

we forgot the gym

and the commute to the gym as well

[tawny brook]

Is this priority right?
Rampage>execute> raging blow or should raging blow be above execute?

[old moat]

@twilit flax

i got 35% mastery thats without the two weapons to go still

[mild thunder]

there's technically some stuff you can do to min/max dps, pressure and burst but yea that's generally right

[stark reef]

R1 rogue madge he lost to no trinket fury

🤝

That madlad tried to kill me because no trinket in the opener - blew his cds on a warrior in dstance whilst getting pelted by MM hunter. ty for playing

[vapid tartan]

was it bc you were playing human

[stark reef]

nah, gnome

[vapid tartan]

based

[stark reef]

playing no trinket gnome since last week vs anything

[vapid tartan]

arms has felt a bit nicer into melee cleaves, fury for everything else ime

[stark reef]

agree

[vapid tartan]

still trying to decide between sks or no sks

[stark reef]

meele cleave def the worst part of fury

ret/arms/ww for example sucks big time

but i like locks

[vapid tartan]

i really like putting the points in fatality+ ep

not sure about ep/eb/unhinged as the last point with no sks build

[stark reef]

Into meele cleave i'd 100% run unhinged

so free

[vapid tartan]

swappin around unhinged and eb with pets anyway

[stark reef]

Yeah, that's the way

[vapid tartan]

idk everytime i try eb out on the dummy i hit like 3x ms in a row and take it

and never happens in arena lol

[elfin surge]

fk

[stark reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twS9e4LUy7E&ab_channel=MotivatedVergil

Gn lads

Is arthurjlol arthi?

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Tichondrius/Arthurjlol

This guy?

[twilit flax]

blizzard is a company remember, they are therre to make money

[stark reef]

I just played him, he went afk the first round with me and second round ran Bladestorm into a demo lock and did 500k dmg

Felt like rating assassination

[slim saffron]

let's make one thing very clear

• it means less than nothing to me

[stark reef]

You guys won’t even share the pasta with Archi?

[slim saffron]

It's ok, I don't really care

[twilit flax]

blizzard purposly fucks up pvp for character development

so u go to the gym

[slim saffron]

the game already has plenty of 🍝 for me as is

[twilit flax]

think about how little the prizes for wow tournies are. and theyre probably being generous. Pvp makes them negligible money

plus the staff underpaid

[vapid tartan]

i mean you could say that about wow esports as a whole no?

but yeah pvp is prob a small % of that anyway

[near delta]

💀

[twilit flax]

yeah thats why i said they are generrous

they about the equality

lol

in reality pvp should be alike a 5 k prize

from a monetary stand point

[mild thunder]

go off sis 💅

[vapid tartan]

tate lookin rough these days

[mild thunder]

the matrix is getting to him

[twilit flax]

tate the duke of romania

when he says ppl argue about the world of warcraft

he say na fam

sees*

that aint it

do some push ups

[mild thunder]

spitting straight facts tho... @sharp meteor for stormforged so we can actually not have a full-retard channel

[sharp meteor]

It has been a bit of a fiesta.

[twilit flax]

just take ur creatine brah

u slackin

[sharp meteor]

It is difficult what with how things are always changing and evolving.

[twilit flax]

even thrall takes his creatine

[sharp meteor]

Even just week to week with tuning passes.

[twilit flax]

he makes shamanistic gainz

[sharp meteor]

Or as people try new things.

[slim saffron]

ah yes, occasional trolls like

really making a strong case for yourself there, sport

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

[slim saffron]

Right about needing moderation - perhaps I should start with you

[vapid tartan]

0.0

[sharp meteor]

Unrelated but aren't you a Warlock main now, friend

[slim saffron]

ok bye

[vapid tartan]

you guys should 1v1 in front of org to decide it

[slim saffron]

!kick @spice hornet literally asked for it

[mild thunder]

rage-banning people that give reasonable requests >>> listening to feedback

[twilit flax]

ew warlocl fotm rollers

[sharp meteor]

I wouldn't blame anybody for playing a bit of Warlock right now, it's good and fun.

Not to mention the set looks great.

[twilit flax]

warlocks have no gainz

[stark reef]

Deserved ban.

[slim saffron]

first of all, he didn't ever actually make a request
second, he started raging at me after I answered a simple question - you may note I didn't say anything about not making anyone SF

[twilit flax]

yeah they are fun and have good mog

still tho

[mild thunder]

the request has been made in general - by several people - for weeks now, and this is the most response we've ever gotten about it
that's a pretty low bar for raging, but yea whatever

[slim saffron]

and third, badgering mods/admins whether you agree with them or not is not going to go over well for you, ever

[vapid tartan]

whats the reason for no pvp mod tho? genuinely asking

[mild thunder]

and has been mentioned, no badgering would be necessary if we had our own stormforged

[slim saffron]

I don't know why you think I'm "raging" - he asked to be moderated, so I moderated him

[fresh valve]

get mod'd

[mild thunder]

because your version of "moderation" is banning people that ask for a change in moderation

[stark reef]

@spark cloudbabes

[slim saffron]

no, I moderated him because (after pointing out numerous instances of his acting like a clown) he said "so I'm right, kick me then"

[mild thunder]

nothing nat asked for was unreasonable

[slim saffron]

he didn't actually ask for anything, other than to be moderated

[near delta]

He's been making request in here about a pvp SF for the past couple months since the signal to noise ratio has gotten super bad lately. But yeah not the way to go about it.

[stark reef]

He was a warlock main. That’s enough ground for a perma.

[vapid tartan]

[mild thunder]

i cant tell if you're a manchild or actually just this dumb

[fresh valve]

destro's killin it bro

[slim saffron]

I could ask you the same question, since you're clearly twisting the portrayal of events

[sharp meteor]

Felguard is like a little warrior that's also tankier.

Their mortal strike also lasts longer and is a frontal cone.

[fresh valve]

fuck demo they lost insta dogs

cuck spec

[mild thunder]

several people request an update in moderation due to off-topic discussions, trolling and inability to do stuff like update pins
request is ignored
first moderation we see in months is you raging and kicking someone for sarcastically asking to be kicked

[slim saffron]

again, not raging, and he asked for it

[mild thunder]

yea he totally wasnt being sarcastic bro

[stark reef]

“It’s just a prank, bro.”

🤣

[vapid tartan]

i mean while they arent going about it the best way have you given them a reason for there to be no pvp mod?

[slim saffron]

I don't care if he was or not, but you're also conveniently leaving out the part where he started going after me after I posted what was obviously a joking meme

[slim saffron]

and like I said previously, badgering mods/admins whether you agree with them or not is not going to go over well for you, ever

[fresh valve]

yea bro it'll end bad

nightmare shit

[mild thunder]

maybe he was "going after you" because there's a general consensus that the mods just ignore this channel and pretend it doesnt exist, and having people occasionally come in here to post memes about it is a little dumb

[slim saffron]

I don't really care

[mild thunder]

yea i think that's kinda my point bozo

[fresh valve]

damn

[slim saffron]

also the mods mostly ignore this channel because the vast majority of you act like complete and utter clowns, whether there's moderation or not

if I could find a single one of you that I would trust to be a moderator without still acting like a clown, I might be inclined to give them that power

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor

[slim saffron]

but so far it ain't happened

[mild thunder]

which has been requested multiple times

[slim saffron]

and pissing and moaning about it aint' gonna change that

[sharp meteor]

Nah, I don't think it's me, at least not right now.

[slim saffron]

frankly yall have come closer to having this entire channel deleted than you have to finding a worthwhile moderator

[mild thunder]

bro is literally him

[fresh valve]

me I deserve the power

[stark reef]

Mate you’re trying to tax the fucking stock market.

[fresh valve]

cuz im smart

[stark reef]

You need a supervisor to leave the gaming chair

[fresh valve]

my supervisor is your wife

[mild thunder]

maybe if this sort of mindset toward this channel changed, then the channel itself would change

[slim saffron]

also it ain't that hard to just ping a mod when you need something... the problem is yall routinely ping mods over your own stupid trolly bullshit

[stark reef]

She’d fucking bend you over like a stick and beat you till the cows come home.

[slim saffron]

like "I'd like to report a racism" because someone said "australian"

[fresh valve]

kinky

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

Crikey.

[slim saffron]

like even yall know that you're fucking jokes

[mild thunder]

yes, i am aware that my joke was a joke

[slim saffron]

so act like reasonable human beings and maybe you'll start getting treated like them

[fresh valve]

bloody ell mate

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

maybe treat/moderate the channel properly and people will be incentivised to not troll the server so hard?

[fresh valve]

dingo's took me girl again

[slim saffron]

I did moderate the channel properly - I answered when pinged (with the true answer tbh, we don't take "mod applications") and then when someone with a history of disruptive behavior decided to start causing trouble, they were moderated

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[mild thunder]

maybe instead of having a discord mod moment, you could've read the context of what was going on and actually taken the chance to communicate the current approach to this channel and any planned changes going forward

[fresh valve]

we need "Get Moderated" on a shirt

[slim saffron]

maybe instead of doing the exact same thing that led to his getting moderated, you could take a step back and realize that he started badgering me in the first place, not the other way around

[fresh valve]

cant you just ignore him lol

[slim saffron]

I mean the man's first comment was to cry about rank 1 multi glad not being as important as dragonslayers

and then he started pinging me with more whiney bullshit

he clearly didn't want to have an adult conversation

if you do, I advise you to bring it up in that manner, not in the way he decided to

[twilit flax]

i have a solutions, get a gains check bot

[mild thunder]

were you responding with an attempt to have a conversation, or were you posting a meme in response to an ongoing request?

[twilit flax]

check on everyone make sure gains are being made

[fresh valve]

if you ignore this part of the server as much as they say you do ignoring him shouldnt be hard lol

[mild thunder]

it has been - multiple times

[twilit flax]

and hydration and creatine are consumed

[slim saffron]

my meme was accurate, we don't take mod applications

[twilit flax]

the mod life choose u brah

[fresh valve]

mod life!

[mild thunder]

maybe then proceed to talk about how this channel could get proper moderation instead of banning the person that was frustrated at being ignored

[stark reef]

@elfin surge post the pasta

[sage raptor]

Ooooo pasta?

[slim saffron]

If he was ignored, we wouldn't be having this conversation

[twilit flax]

only beef bolognaise in the house of gains

[mild thunder]

a conversation people have been asking for for months

[sharp meteor]

Which one?

[twilit flax]

and only medium ground beef

[slim saffron]

Rome wasn't built in a day 🤷‍♂️

[mild thunder]

so yes, he was/they were being ignored

[twilit flax]

no lean shi

[fresh valve]

rome lmfao

[mild thunder]

is replying to a moderation request as complex as building a city?

[stark reef]

The one related to server moderation, dragons-laying and playing 3s

[fresh valve]

lolol

[slim saffron]

depends on the city and/or the moderation request, but I don't think any mod that's been pinged has ever failed to reply to said moderation request either

not promoting the person you suggest is not the same as not moderating

[mild thunder]

you know what a great solution right now would be? unbanning nat with a conditional apology, and then having a discussion on how this channel could get proper moderation so that it's not the wild west and people feel like it's an appropriate space

[slim saffron]

firstly, he's not banned

[stark reef]

[fresh valve]

get jabaited

[vapid tartan]

[slim saffron]

second, I have nothing to apologize for - he asked for it
he was also badgering me in the first place, so if anyone deserves an apology, it's probably me

[fresh valve]

sowwy

[mild thunder]

i dont think it's an unreasonable or bizarre request for warrior pvpers to want the warrior pvp channel to feel like a warrior pvp space with warrior pvpers that keep it in-line

[stark reef]

You don’t even play the game

[slim saffron]

and third, like I said - when and if we ever find someone who we think is up to the task, we might promote one - until then it's not really hard to simply ping mods when needed like in every other channel

[fresh valve]

demon hunter pvp chat is better

[slim saffron]

you know most mods here don't actually hang out in the channels all day chatting just waiting to mod people

[twilit flax]

i think the druid one is the chillest

[stark reef]

This guy is rated 1500 and talks about warrior pvp

[mild thunder]

you've literally said yourself that mods ignore this channel and dont care about it 💀

[slim saffron]

For example, I was watching a movie when I saw and responded to the ping

[elfin surge]

wtf is going on

[fresh valve]

what movie

[twilit flax]

cause its all chicks

[stark reef]

@elfin surge post the pasta

[mild thunder]

smite > s2

[slim saffron]

in the context of not hanging out in the channel, yes
that doesn't mean we fail to moderate it when requested (as evidenced here today)

again, most mods don't hang out in the channels all day; it's not exactly a job requirement

[mild thunder]

nat got kicked

[twilit flax]

instagram out here making u thin kthe girls are the problem lol

[elfin surge]

lmao

[stark reef]

Mud you have a real shot here. Post the pasta.

Trust me

[twilit flax]

its the bitter dudes with egop and pride

[sharp meteor]

Executed for high crimes (playing Warlock).

[twilit flax]

and stubborness

[slim saffron]

The Tomorrow War - it's pretty bad tbh

[fresh valve]

we win u dont

[stark reef]

The pasta!

[slim saffron]

• Acting like an asshole while playing Warlock (which TBF I think is almost a prerequisite)

[elfin surge]

which one

[sharp meteor]

You don't have to remind me.

[stark reef]

About 3s and dragon slaying

[mild thunder]

asking for a moderation request = being an asshole

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

that's not a copypasta bud, it's something you literally said

[stark reef]

2.4k rated, revvezz, server moderation

[slim saffron]

again, he didn't actually ask that - he just started raging at me over past perceived offenses

And I get it, maybe he felt ignored after campaigning for awhile, but given that this was (as far as I'm aware) his first time ever actually talking to me directly, he probably should have been mature enough to recognize that maybe raging because of what he might have thought had happened in the past wouldn't be as effective as bringing up his grievance in a more mature manner

[elfin surge]

Stormforged arent really mods right

[slim saffron]

no, SF aren't mods

[elfin surge]

We're asking for SF pvper

[slim saffron]

I am aware

[mild thunder]

you can make excuses and say he should've "been the bigger guy", but you're literally the moderator. aren't you the one that's supposed to be a significant member of the community? maybe you should have been the one to understand the context of what was being discussed and said

[elfin surge]

cuz we have nobody

[mild thunder]

you already know you're a fucking joke

[sage raptor]

Yall have me <3

[elfin surge]

lmao

[slim saffron]

you're the one making excuses, so lemme break it down barney style

• I responded to a simple question with a simple answer
• he got upset and started acting out, taking his issues out on me, despite never actually raising those concerns with me before
• I pointed out that he's had several actionable offenses worthy of moderation
• he said that proved his point and to kick him then
• I obliged

If you wanna ping a moderate for something, feel free
don't ping a moderator because you want to bitch at them, however justified you think you may be, it's not going to end well for you

I get that he was frustrated, but that's not my fault or frankly even my problem, and his attitude towards someone he'd literally never interacted with before was not kosher

[stark reef]

Why would you say something like this @mild thunder?

[fresh valve]

mans was put in a real self defense situation

[stark reef]

At least you gave credit to the PvE gamers but that was a hot take…

[slim saffron]

I mean this kinda sums it up tbh

[mild thunder]

again, he wasnt actually being serious - he was just being sarcastic because of how frustrated he was at the situation

And I get it, maybe you felt angry after being badgered for awhile, but given that this was (as far as I'm aware) his first time ever actually talking to you directly, you probably should have been mature enough to recognize that maybe raging because of what he might have said in the past wouldn't be as effective as responding in a mature manner

[vapid tartan]

clearly didnt go to detroit urban survival training

[sage raptor]

Did you?

[slim saffron]

I don't care if he was being serious or not, man started harassing me on my day off, over some shit I've never been involved with

[vapid tartan]

yes and i can now disarm a man pointing a gun at me

[slim saffron]

he can go fuck off straight to hell for all I care, I'm not here to make all his hopes and dreams come true

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

harassed?

bruh

[slim saffron]

yes, when someone starts pinging me several times with several-sentence long tirades, I consider that harassing

stop acting like I just decided to come in here and shit in your cheerios

[elfin surge]

LMAO

kayy bruh

[vapid tartan]

[mild thunder]

bro is acting like natbabes doxxed him and threatened his family because he made a joke

[elfin surge]

yeah

Archi chill my bro

ur going off into some sketchy territory

[slim saffron]

his comment about asking to be kicked may have been a joke, but the stuff he said before that was obviously not

also he was kicked not banned, stop acting like it was some irrevocable slight

[vapid tartan]

nicotine does wonders

[mild thunder]

the irrevocable slight is the general approach to this channel and you coming to call everyone a fucking joke because we asked for a pvp stormforged

[slim saffron]

you could just as easily say my kicking him (after he asked to be kicked) was playing into the joke

[stark reef]

I thought it was appropriate

[mild thunder]

unironically the "it was a joke" defense

[fresh valve]

huh

[mild thunder]

💀

[elfin surge]

Archi is giving off some "im better than all of you" vibes rn

just me?

[slim saffron]

wasn't that your initial line?

[elfin surge]

i feel like im being talked down to

[slim saffron]

I'm not even talking to you

[sage raptor]

Jokes on yall I'm better than all yall

[elfin surge]

Indirectly insulting me and my warrior brothers

[slim saffron]

you haven't even said anything specifically to me this whole time

[mild thunder]

🫡

[stark reef]

Natbabes was a warlock main.

[slim saffron]

I mean yall know you act like clowns in here, it's been well established

yall play up the joke constantly

[elfin surge]

maybe

cuz we're unmoderated

[sage raptor]

honk honk

[slim saffron]

kinda hard to now get upset for calling that as it is

you can't really play both sides like that

and you're not unmodderated - every time a mod has been pinged for something, a mod has come in

you may not have a mod hanging out hawking this channel 24/7, but that's fine - you don't need one and most channels don't have one either

[mild thunder]

how about some general oversight/in-house moderation that understands the community?

[mild thunder]

most channels arent as segregated as this one

[slim saffron]

I fail to see what special requirement PvP has that needs understanding for proper moderation

moderation is extremely simple, if requiring some degree of trust

[mild thunder]

it's a completely different community

[slim saffron]

the rules are still the same

it's still part of the same discord server

[vapid tartan]

time to secede bois

[slim saffron]

the PvP channel doesn't get any special rules or privileges to act differently simply because they focus on a different part of the game

[mild thunder]

that's literally not what anyone is asking for bro

[stark reef]

Galachad just wants to ban people that call him out on his outdated pins

[slim saffron]

nor does that different part of the game have any impact on the prescribed rules of the channel

[slim saffron]

as Late has told him, he can simply ping a mod if he wants something new pinned - you don't need a "channel specific mod" for that

[fresh valve]

galacuck for Theorycrafter

[vapid tartan]

do u need a data science degree to become theorycrafter

[elfin surge]

DK cord has rank 1s who regularly talk in there ranked to indicate they provide some form of trustworthy information.

Not even good rank 1s too

[mild thunder]

i dont know if you write the rules for moderation or whatever, but generally with moderation there's a purpose of wanting to cultivate a certain attitute and culture within that community
having a stormforged that understands the pvp channel and the people in it would help for moderation to achieve the desired goal

[slim saffron]

also yall keep going back and forth with this, because now you're asking for a specific moderator, whereas a minute ago you were "only asking for an SF"

[mild thunder]

no one is asking for a full-on mod, that's just me using mod/SF interchangeably

[fresh valve]

give joefernandes mod

[slim saffron]

PvP is not going to get any special allowance WRT "attitudes or culture" simply because they focus PvP instead of PvE

[stark reef]

Can you describe this “culture” you’re trying to “cultivate”?

[elfin surge]

blizzcon winner is unranked

[slim saffron]

What I read out of that statement is "we shouldn't be moderated for talking shit, because talking shit is a part of PvP" and sorry but... no

[mild thunder]

then reread it

[slim saffron]

or how about you better explain your vague statement if that's not what you mean?

it's not on me to understand what you're trying to say, it's on you to explain what you mean

[mild thunder]

@stark reef

[stark reef]

🤣

[elfin surge]

@mild thunder you just dont get it man, we're pvpers. Pve'ers look at us the same way the wow devs do, we're simply not worth the time and are lesser players. pretty simple.

[mild thunder]

im being vague because im not aware of the specific community that the mods here are trying to cultivate

[slim saffron]

the same one as the rest of the discord server

[mild thunder]

which is?

[slim saffron]

the pvp channel is not a unique community

[slim saffron]

summed up? don't be assholes

[fresh valve]

wow pvp is ass

go play league

[mild thunder]

it literally is a unique community, it's almost entirely different people with different goals and different reasons for being here

that is literally unique

[dense spear]

ofc its a different community?

[slim saffron]

it's still part of the same discord server

and still subject to the same rules

[mild thunder]

and it is a different, unique community within that server

[slim saffron]

that's like saying the Arms channel should have different rules from the Fury channel because Arms one-tricks are different people than Fury one-tricks

[mild thunder]

which is why there should be an in-house SF that obeys the rules of the server but understands the community

[slim saffron]

also SF are not moderators - you are once again conflating the two

you're putting a lot of emphasis on this "we're unique" deal... and I'm sorry to say but you're not, you're players just like everyone else and subject to the same (fairly straightforward and lenient) rules like everyone else

it's giving off serious "not like other girls" energy and it's just kinda weird to act like PvP players are some wholly different breed of WoW player or general user of the internet

[dense spear]

with an example like that you're obviously not going going to agree to anything anyone here says. waste of time really

why bother

[slim saffron]

if you can find a way to explain to me what makes the PvP channel so special and unique as to need different moderation rules than the rest of the server - maybe I'll change my mind

[mild thunder]

bro you are just ignoring what im saying now

[slim saffron]

but again, SF =! Moderator, you keep conflating two different things

[mild thunder]

it literally is a unique community, it's almost entirely different people with different goals and different reasons for being here
that is literally unique

which is why there should be an in-house SF that obeys the rules of the server but understands the community

[slim saffron]

no, I asked you to explain what you mean and you didn't do it

you just generically said "they need to understand the community" which is not descriptive in any way

[vapid tartan]

dont think theyre asking for diff rules they want someone from the pvp community to get moderation powers whether thats mod or sf

[slim saffron]

SF do not have moderation powers, and the PvP channel does not need a dedicated moderator - any one of you can ping a moderator when needed, just like every other channel

[mild thunder]

understand when discussions are/are not on topic
understand when discussions have gone too far
understand sarcasm
aware of who the prominent members of the community are

the list can go for a while

[slim saffron]

we do not mind being pinged for legitimate issues
we do mind when you ping us (as yall frequently have) for dumb bullshit

[slim saffron]

all of those apply to the general discord server at large, so again not specific to PvP

[mild thunder]

we mind being called fucking jokes, being ignored and having the mods kick us for being sarcastic

[elfin surge]

I think all we were asking is for 1-2 stormforged ranked pvpers, either because they are highly ranked (rank 1s) or useful by writing the servers pins and guides for pvp.

[dense spear]

okay so moderation aside is there already a SF who is part of the pvp commuinity? i.e. knowledgeable / respected?

[slim saffron]

you might be, but Galachad has repeatedly been asking for something completely different, as I pointed out several times

[mild thunder]

no

[elfin surge]

I think gala is using the word mod for SF

[slim saffron]

and I'm sorry, but you're not going to get it

no he's specifically referring to moderation

[mild thunder]

cant be, that's a crazy concept (i didnt literally clarify earlier)

[slim saffron]

everything he has said has been about moderation

[mild thunder]

it doesnt have to be a literal moderator for someone to be able to guide the general attitute of the channel

[slim saffron]

ok then, you agree with what I said earlier - there's nothing about the PvP channel that is so unique as to require any specific moderation or different rules than the rest of the server

in which case you can simply ping a mod when you need a mod, like everyone else

[mild thunder]

yep, that's exactly what ive said from the beginning

[dense spear]

dude

[slim saffron]

well that's not, but ok

that's literally the opposite of what you said

[elfin surge]

So a no to SF pvper? I still don't understand why you guys are so against having a pvp SF.

[mild thunder]

second-class citizens fr

[slim saffron]

that's not what I said, I was specifically referring to a moderator, as that was the topic of discussion

[mild thunder]

pvpers are the most oppressed minority

[vapid tartan]

gamemodeism

[fresh valve]

literal thinking

[elfin surge]

Okay ignoring moderation, i've tried multiple times (without being annoying or rude) to ask how someone could be SF with no answer.

[woeful solstice]

we're pvp pauls bro

it's over

[elfin surge]

Pretty sad even playing the same class there is still a disconnect between pve'ers and pvpers.

[mild thunder]

arms bros are supposed to be better than this

[woeful solstice]

id take any pve players ass in a 1v1 no cap

[fresh valve]

apartheid state

[dense spear]

Yo don't worry about semantics, I think its cleared up that they don't expect a seperate moderator or unique treatment from the rest of the server. Just open to an SF that understands pvp i.e. respected / knowledgable. (kudos to you so far though, probably feels like pvpers are coming at you atm xd)

[sage raptor]

Neither side is better than the other I see

[woeful solstice]

inb4 #pvp gets another nuke

[sage raptor]

The fact there are sides in a class discord is crazy

[slim saffron]

that's not what's happening here - there's simply no reason to have a dedicated PvP moderator because nothing about PvP is distinct enough from the rest of the server as to require unique moderation

[fresh valve]

SF

[elfin surge]

Who keeps bringing up mod

[mild thunder]

you're just choosing to ignore what people are saying now

[slim saffron]

literally the guy I responded to

[elfin surge]

We're asking for SF

he clarified he meant SF when saying mod

[fresh valve]

banned

[vapid tartan]

f

[stark reef]

I mean SF just give helpful answers.

[slim saffron]

no, you are asking for SF and I'm trying to respond to that
but at the same time, other people are still commenting on moderation and I'm also responding to them

like the one I just responded to

[mild thunder]

HE DID NOT SAY MOD IN HIS MSG AT ALL

[woeful solstice]

MUD 4 PRESIDENT 2024

[dense spear]

Hey dude our Zug brains collectively agree on SF

[vapid tartan]

i mean with the amount of trolling we have someone with a rank whos commonly in this chat would help

[fresh valve]

respond to the SF thing then lol

[dense spear]

lets not worry about mod anymore brutha

[fresh valve]

stop beating around the bush

[stark reef]

SF help new players. We already do that.

[woeful solstice]

I'll settle this right now

[stark reef]

We’re welcoming.

[woeful solstice]

POAST BENCH

[slim saffron]

weren't you the one talking about context this whole time? I explained why I was saying no to what I was saying no to

That does not mean I was saying no to an SF

[dense spear]

Lets just make it simple; Are they open to a PVP oriented SF and if so how does do they get one

[elfin surge]

thats body shaming u cant do that anymore here

[mild thunder]

everyone shut the fuck up and let archi speak without being trolled

[woeful solstice]

twig confirmed

[elfin surge]

got a problem with that?

[sage raptor]

Yes

[mild thunder]

dekel is built like a femboy ngl

[slim saffron]

I was literally typing a response to Mud about the prospect of a PvP SF, but yall won't stop trying to pile on and talk shit long enough for me to get a response out

[slim saffron]

ok new tactic

[woeful solstice]

rip

[fresh valve]

ouch

[elfin surge]

With reason tho

[slim saffron]

if you just wanna talk shit and get disruptive, I will just ban you

cause this has dragged on long enough

[slim saffron]

no, it's not with reason

[dense spear]

Archi don't worry mate its just the zug life, non-stop button mashing. No one actually talking shit to you except when they feel like you are still talking about mod when its now just simple question about SF

[slim saffron]

after all your bitching about nobody listening to you

[fresh valve]

can u finally answer about SF already

[slim saffron]

I've been in here for the last 2 hours listening to you and trying to address your myriad complaints

[elfin surge]

I have a better shot at being ranked in the mage cord than warrior cord

KEKW

[slim saffron]

but some of you just want to talk shit, troll, or otherwise just pile on because you're not getting the answer you want fast enough, or just because you want to be disruptive

[mild thunder]

watch pikaboo join this cord and instantly get SF

[elfin surge]

Illmindofboo goes hard

[stark reef]

I mean he’s getting paid to play so…

[slim saffron]

so here we go - you wanna have the conversation, we'll have the conversation

[woeful solstice]

mud carries people for shekels buddy

[slim saffron]

but if anyone else decides they wanna jump in and just act like an asshole... this is your only warning

[woeful solstice]

dont get it twisted

[mild thunder]

okay - how do we go about, and what is the likelihood of this channel getting dedicated SF's appointed to oversee and help the community?

[stark reef]

SF just writes useful info. Sense for example always has the reflects from the test realm

[slim saffron]

I explained why I said no to what I said no to (a PvP specific moderator, which is what was asked for several times - despite the fact that some of yall aren't asking for that)

That does not mean that I was saying no to what I wasn't saying no to (a PvP specific SF)

[fresh valve]

can we get another SF?

[dense spear]

I think everyone mostly agrees from a moderation point of view ofc. no special rules are needed in a pvp channel.

its all standard stuff really no racist etc etc

[slim saffron]

you say that, but it was being argued several times earlier, which is why I clarified

[stark reef]

But gala wants to “cultivate a culture”

[slim saffron]

getting bent out of shape because I'm clarifying is frankly... just fucking weird

and some of yall need to calm the fuck down

[dense spear]

but in saying that.. a discord should be just as open to a moderator who pvps

[slim saffron]

I don't know what that comment means

[elfin surge]

Some of the things you've said about us (pvpers) could be taken as an insult, which is why many were shit talking.

[slim saffron]

We're not against moderators who PvP, we just don't happen to have any

some of our moderators don't even play Warrior anymore lmfao

[sage raptor]

Lol rip

(Rehire)

(Me)

[dense spear]

well what I mean is anyone can be a moderator right, given they are the right person.

[sage raptor]

I'm a good boy

[mild thunder]

@slim saffron can you respond to this

[elfin surge]

That sounds like a problem then, a problem worth fixing?

[slim saffron]

Some of the things you (pvpers) have said about us (pvers, moderators, me specifically) could be taken as an insult, which is why I kicked someone in the first place

[slim saffron]

no and I fail to see why it's a problem - there's nothing distinct enough about PvP that requires a PvP specific moderator

[fresh valve]

wuh about stormforged

[slim saffron]

the server rules are very simple

we can talk about stormforged, but yall need to stop jumping back to moderation

[elfin surge]

I mean right now I don't think anyone is asking for a pvp mod, we're asking for SF. When @mild thunder said pvp mod he clarified he meant SF.

[slim saffron]

because every time yall do it, you then get bent out of shape about me responding to a comment about moderation

[dense spear]

Lets not go down that rabbit hole again for now. This discord is open to new moderators (who can may or may not be a pvp player). Back to the SF talk tho

[slim saffron]

I mean you literally referred to a pvp mod right here in your last comment

get your shit straight, please

[elfin surge]

Yeah it is a problem

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge get owned

[slim saffron]

and there have been many more people than just you and Galachad talking in here, some of them specifically about moderators

[elfin surge]

If u cant see why then idk

[slim saffron]

you haven't explained to me why it's a problem

[elfin surge]

clearly we're not getting a pvp mod which is fine

we're asking for SF

[slim saffron]

well you were kind of asking for both, but again - you need to explain to me why you think you need something or why it's a problem if you want to get it

[mystic barn]

noobs

[slim saffron]

not just bitch until you get your way

[mild thunder]

can we please just graduate from the conversation of asking about asking about stormforged and start talking about stormforged?

[sage raptor]

What would having a pvp SF hurt?

[elfin surge]

Wouldnt it be good to have a pvp informed active moderator in the channel that is ignored by everyone else?

[sage raptor]

Omg hiiii

[slim saffron]

I don't think it'd hurt anything

[mild thunder]

[slim saffron]

the channel isn't ignored - no mod has ever failed to appear when pinged

including when you pinged earlier, that kicked this all off

[elfin surge]

Mods have told us they ignored the channel before

[sage raptor]

That is true tbh

[slim saffron]

we don't hang out in the channel, that's not the same as ignoring moderation requests

most moderators don't hang out in any channel, they still show up when summoned

[twilit flax]

why be a mod when u can just make gains

[dense spear]

shit here we go again

[mystic barn]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[slim saffron]

yep

[elfin surge]

Either way, mod is for another day, right now we're asking for SF.

[twilit flax]

if no gains, then y mod

[fresh valve]

stop bringing up mod it makes him immediately sidetrack

[sage raptor]

Should be able to bench at least 250 to be a mod

[slim saffron]

well I had a longer response typed up earlier, before yall started losing your shit again, but the short version is that when/if we find someone we think would be a good fit for SF, we'll consider making an SF

it's not a requirement to have SF, nor is there a quota for them

[elfin surge]

But nobody reads the channel unless pinged, you said yourself.

[mild thunder]

what about @elfin surge? he's a multi-r1 that is respected in the community?

[mystic barn]

you guys havent found someone fit since 10/11/2021?

[slim saffron]

moderators don't need to actively read a channel in order to moderate it, they can simply show up when summoned

[elfin surge]

no bro

im saying

[slim saffron]

none of the channels have dedicated moderators that hang out in the channel just waiting to mute/ban someone

and they're not going to

[elfin surge]

how is someone going to be put in SF

if u guys dont read the chat

unless pinged

[mystic barn]

@elfin surge 10/11/2021

[slim saffron]

just because we don't hang out in the channel doesn't mean we don't know what's going on in it

[mystic barn]

almost to the 2 yr mark

[elfin surge]

This is why we need a pvp rep

[twilit flax]

mods are just their so they feel special

[dense spear]

I suppose in the end we are going to reach a point where we cannot find a suitable SF who 1. the channel wants as SF and 2. the moderators agree. You can just foresee based on this conversation.. 🥲

[slim saffron]

we still look over the channel, we still respond to pings, we still read requests for XYZ to become the next one

[twilit flax]

make gains and ull feel special

[fresh valve]

so we're supposed to ping you to get a new SF

[slim saffron]

you can make recommendations, and we have read them

[mild thunder]

but how do you know who should be next SF if you arent aware of the community, prominent members, respected people etc.

[slim saffron]

no offense, but this channel is neither so active nor the conversation so high brow that it's that hard to follow

just cause I don't sit in here all day reading PvP doesn't mean I don't look through it on occasion

[sage raptor]

Like the pve channels are any better tbh

[slim saffron]

they're not at all lol

I've threatened to nuke both Arms and Fury several times because people start acting like clowns

[elfin surge]

pvers are better than us

we deserve nothing

[mild thunder]

and yet they have really good SFs

[slim saffron]

I've also threatened to do the same to PvP

[fresh valve]

just quit wow pvp smh

so bad

[slim saffron]

not the ones acting like clowns, no

[mild thunder]

and the ones acting like clowns shouldnt be SF here

[sage raptor]

It just be like that for the past 20 years. And prolly for the next 20 🤷

[fresh valve]

wrath pvp > retail

[mild thunder]

and that's not who we're asking to be promoted

[elfin surge]

[slim saffron]

kinda limits the pool though, doesn't it?

[sage raptor]

Yknow, we don't get cool appearance glyphs because of pvp.

[mild thunder]

no, not at all - we dont need 10, we need like 1-2

[sage raptor]

I'd argue 1

[slim saffron]

I don't disagree

it would be nice if yall had one

[sage raptor]

cough

[fresh valve]

@elfin surge

[slim saffron]

@sage raptor congrats, your hired

[sage raptor]

Yayyy

[slim saffron]

not really

[mild thunder]

then why can we not get that process started? there are at least a dozen people that could get it

[sage raptor]

Yeah I figured. I'm too qualified.

[fresh valve]

@stark reef

[slim saffron]

been there

[elfin surge]

i gave up trying while ago

[woeful solstice]

here comes that "better than you" vibe again

[slim saffron]

it's not really a formal process

[elfin surge]

i got ignored by everyone i tried asking

[mild thunder]

then can we get it informally started?

[slim saffron]

tbf you never tried asking me, and also fwiw, a lot of times you would ask in one post and then meme on the idea in the next

[fresh valve]

isnt it just a few clicks lol

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge he's not wrong

[elfin surge]

i mean

ive asked the owner

on how to become SF

[slim saffron]

and no offense, but yeah it's kinda hard to gauge intent when yall frequently act like clowns

[elfin surge]

and was ignored

I asked multiple mods how to be SF

[slim saffron]

and that really isn't meant to be offensive or specific to PvP - a lot of people in the PvE channels act the same way

[elfin surge]

was told no or ignored

[mild thunder]

then how about mud and i give you like 5-6 people to consider and you consider at least 1 of them for SF

[dense spear]

bro im a mage and i feel talked down to

[sage raptor]

What's wrong with being a silly little guy?

[dense spear]

how do you type this way

[woeful solstice]

big dragonslayer energy

[slim saffron]

or honestly, much worse - be glad yall don't have some of the PvE clowns in here

[slim saffron]

feel free

[elfin surge]

Maybe we need a pvp specific rank

[stark reef]

We have @mild thunder

[woeful solstice]

i mean

we do have one...

[stark reef]

That’s enough “clownery” as one user put it.

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-awkward-smile-sad-smile-gif-25342548

[vapid tartan]

Just add a gladiator rank problem solved

[woeful solstice]

^

[slim saffron]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but you can't ask something with the presumption of being taken seriously in one post and then meme on the idea in the very next post... and then get upset that you weren't taken seriously

[woeful solstice]

gladiator rank solves a lot tbf

gives pvpers a sense of who knows their shit while not being high up like sf

[mild thunder]

headache duck
mud
varughh (not sure he'd want it anymore)
magnusz
@elfin surge give me 2 more

[woeful solstice]

cause apparently sf is too prestigious for us lowly pvpers

[slim saffron]

the title itself is irrelevant

[elfin surge]

All i've gathered was a pvp SF will be added when they find someone. But mods (and @slim saffron) said they ignore this channel unless pinged therefore a pvp SF will never be found.

[mild thunder]

it would have to be r1 to be meaningful tbh... ive seen a lot of degen takes from s2 SL glads

[slim saffron]

You know yall are the only people who have even remotely expressed this notion, and yet here I am for the last three hours now of my Saturday trying to address the issue

[slim saffron]

also see previous comment

[elfin surge]

@mild thunder @fickle forge @untold fjord @winged thistle @sharp meteor

[mild thunder]

yea i legit couldnt remember kargish, thanks

[dense spear]

give them all a pvp title that would be sick

[stark reef]

@spice hornet

[slim saffron]

like yall are determined to sell this narrative that you're second rate citizens who get no attention from mods, while a mod has literally been sitting here trying to address your concerns

so how about you get over the cry baby bullshit and focus on the problem you want solved instead

[dense spear]

i mean i understand you are frustrated but a mod has been typing down to me like im a 12 year old in school again

[elfin surge]

HAHA

[winged thistle]

why are a bunch of pussies cryin and taggin me n shit

[slim saffron]

well when you act like it, it's kinda hard not to

[winged thistle]

buncha fuckin victims

who gives a fuck about a damn discord

[elfin surge]

sup little bro

[woeful solstice]

[winged thistle]

dont tag me in this shit til u guys find ur fuckin nuts again

[mild thunder]

okay im rescinding my vote for magnusz

[spice hornet]

[elfin surge]

mag for server owner

[slim saffron]

Yeah, definitely a good voice for the vaunted unique "PvP community" right there

[winged thistle]

u talkin about me big dog?

[stark reef]

@elfin surge wouldn’t even link the pasta when it was called for. Not SF worthy.

[dense spear]

you can't take a few people having a go at you to heart and then type for 3 hours like the whole pvp channel is against you. it's just entering a conversation in bad faith

[slim saffron]

no when I'm in here wasting my saturday night to listen to you bitch and moan, after someone else tries to pick a fight with me over some shit I'm not involved with - I most certainly can

[stark reef]

Man I was hoping it was a perma.

[dense spear]

look through my convo history

tell me where i bitch and moan

[spice hornet]

I’d anyone who deserves a permanent it’s you

[slim saffron]

and having a conversation in bad faith is yall trying to jump on me for referring to an answer about moderation because now you want to focus SF, despite simultaneously talking about moderation

[mild thunder]

okay, just ignore everyone except me and @elfin surge

[spice hornet]

And I’m not a warlock main dumbass I’ve been in this disc since 2018 0
Problems

[winged thistle]

wait theres no way u guys are unironically arguing in a class discord rn

holy fuck

[slim saffron]

@mild thunder well your attitude has already disqualified you, so put that dream to bed

MUD I'm still about 50/50 on

maybe 40/60

[mild thunder]

my attitude?

[stark reef]

Last I checked you got timed out for being a toxic member of the community. Deserved, tbh.

[elfin surge]

what about magnusz

[fresh valve]

this guy knows whats up

[slim saffron]

frankly it doesn't seem like any of you really want it in the first place, because everyone who has been recommended keeps saying some variation of "fuck no"

[mild thunder]

bruh i just want duck to get it

[dense spear]

Mate you need to sub in a new moderator hey?

[severe skiff]

Dekel 100%, He is the chosen one

[elfin surge]

@slim saffron

[spice hornet]

No I got timed out because I asked, remember?

[slim saffron]

so again

[urban skiff]

vote for me and i promise to ban anyone who plays arms

[fresh valve]

[stark reef]

It’s your attitude, tbh.

[elfin surge]

where do i send my application 😎

[dense spear]

poll

xd

[mild thunder]

fuck it, just nuke the server @slim saffron

[slim saffron]

if we could find anyone who seemed like they actually wanted to do it, with enough seriousness of intent to actually do it well, and not perpetuate a community of similar shit talking scumbags, then I'd be happy to make a PvP SF

[dense spear]

archi no way you talk like this irl

[slim saffron]

but literally every single one of you who has been recommended has said no

[sage raptor]

Im right here. Unironically.

[slim saffron]

feel free to buy me a drink at BlizzCon

[fresh valve]

[dense spear]

how many drinks for sf

?

[slim saffron]

I don't think you have enough money or liver for that

[sage raptor]

Is that a challenge?

[slim saffron]

sure why not

[elfin surge]

I would like to apply

[slim saffron]

I've woken up in ditches before

[sage raptor]

That's my dad

But less orange

[spice hornet]

Unironically @elfin surge or @sharp meteor or @fickle forge would be good pvp SF but hey what do I know posting here since 2018 with 9k+ messages

[stark reef]

Says “joined March 21st, 2023”

[sage raptor]

Amateur hour over here

[stark reef]

Idk man

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor is the least problematic person in this cord that also knows stuff

[winged thistle]

i still just cant believe i got tagged in a cord to read ppl arguing over moderator in a discord

or whatever the fuck a SF is

[slim saffron]

wow, 9k messages? that's cute

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-donald-trump-head-shake-eye-roll-unbelievable-gif-14330090

[spice hornet]

How many of that is in the PvP channel

[slim saffron]

who has also expressed their disdain for the idea lol

[elfin surge]

@winged thistle for server owner

[spice hornet]

Probably like 23

[dense spear]

embrace it mag this is gamers life

[fresh valve]

@winged thistle only one with swag here

[slim saffron]

idk, how many of yours have not been in the PvP channel? 😄

[woeful solstice]

@winged thistle for server owner

[winged thistle]

u guys need to get a hobby

[mild thunder]

the greatest leaders are the most humble ✊

[tribal holly]

[woeful solstice]

brother we all need a hobby, we play wow

[slim saffron]

there's a difference between humility and disdain

[elfin surge]

wow is hobby

[winged thistle]

nah but like theres a diff between playing wow and just

[slim saffron]

a fairly pronounced one

[winged thistle]

spewing cringe shit in a discord

at some1 who prob doesnt give a fuck

[fresh valve]

yea this shits embarassing

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-hacker-mmi-grenoble-hackerman-gif-11287448

[mild thunder]

im just trying to stop anymore cringey race realist/political/trans or whatever debates in this cord bro

that's all i want

[woeful solstice]

when was the last time that happened

[mild thunder]

like, 2-3 days

[woeful solstice]

fuck em

[spice hornet]

Been happening almost everyday this year

[slim saffron]

without wading into the discussion again, those are moderator issues more than SF ones - anyone can report them and shut it down real quick

[fresh valve]

/pol/

[spice hornet]

Actually ever since @stark reef started posting here shits been really bad

[woeful solstice]

yeah ban roxi

[mild thunder]

unironically true

[woeful solstice]

fucking fury dork

[vapid tartan]

[stark reef]

C’mon man.

[elfin surge]

@stark reef for perma ban?

[spice hornet]

[stark reef]

Ain’t no way.

[spice hornet]

+1

[mild thunder]

+1

[elfin surge]

[woeful solstice]

dudes over here jerking off about fury constantly

+1

[spice hornet]

[fresh valve]

but he's a shuffle god

[urban skiff]

wdym???

[fresh valve]

"shuffle takes more skill than 3's" - @stark reef

[woeful solstice]

LMAOOOO

[vapid tartan]

bro this cannot be happening

[stark reef]

I’ve been an upstanding participant in this discord. Nothing but kind, well mannered adult, talking game theory.

[slim saffron]

ok anyway, yall come up with any more suggestions of substance, I'm happy to listen and take it under advisement (which does not mean it will necessarily be acted on immediately)

otherwise, I'm going back to my movie

[sage raptor]

Same but I'm for real

[dense spear]

ur movie shit

[sage raptor]

My worst offense is playing prot in arenas

[elfin surge]

[dense spear]

xd

[vapid tartan]

get him out

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-handshake-gif-10358416

[elfin surge]

@slim saffron could you at least discuss the possibility of having a pvp SF with the other mods?

[slim saffron]

I never said I wouldn't

[dense spear]

will u

[slim saffron]

look, here comes one now

[dense spear]

just say yes pwettypls

[elfin surge]

Okay

[vapid tartan]

who will be our paul in chief?

[tribal holly]

Honestly i think MUD would do fine as SF hes generally been helpful in this chat and even if he memes around its not any more than rest of the SF

[dense spear]

you never answer stuff ):

[mild thunder]

late is a goated mod tho ngl

[elfin surge]

😎

[slim saffron]

I said I'd take it under advisement, which would involve other moderators and admins, yes

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

it's happening, boys

[dense spear]

grats

[tribal holly]

Would also probably help keeping this channel more up to date

As going over the pins theres some fury prio for 10.0

[slim saffron]

and yet nobody ever pinged you to have them updated 🙃

[mild thunder]

@undone pumice fix your shit bruh

[tribal holly]

This is also true

[slim saffron]

I mean that to me is the telling part

[spice hornet]

holy shit they did it. they actually fkn did it

[sage raptor]

Yayyyy

[mild thunder]

[elfin surge]

natbabes spreading misinformation

[mild thunder]

it's bait

[sage raptor]

Awwww

[stark reef]

[tribal holly]

Like idk anything about warrior pvp so i have no clue if that is correct prio or not for fury

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-fake-news-gif-11382583

[stark reef]

This time let’s perma him

Fake news

Perma

He’s a warlock main

[mild thunder]

oi, dont come after my pins bro

[elfin surge]

fury stat prio is Mastery > Vers > Haste

[tribal holly]

You had 10.1 it checks out probably

[sage raptor]

See? He can fix it now

[slim saffron]

It's not really a big secret - if you wanna be an SF (or really shoot for any kind of "job promotion in the real world either for that matter), the trick is to just start acting like it - do the work, put out the materials, ask the proverbial "boss" to disseminate your information

Show people that you want it and are willing to do it

[dense spear]

do you still run SKS?

[mild thunder]

[slim saffron]

but meming around the fact that you haven't gotten it, just because you (or someone else) asked for it isn't really the same thing

[stark reef]

[dense spear]

is the 10.1 pin still upt o date?

[slim saffron]

and I'm not saying MUD or anyone else suggested hasn't been helpful, but the state of the pins are kind of a good example - Late specifically said "feel free to ping me if any pin needs updating" and nobody did it since 10.0? (for fury anyway)

[mild thunder]

i think the problem that mud has run into, is that even though he has put in effort to being a prominent member of the community, the channel itself isnt observed enough for it to be noticed

hence asking you

[sage raptor]

I can provide prot builds for pvp

[tribal holly]

Nah the pin itself was confusing and it included both fury and arms

[slim saffron]

I mean again, Late specifically brought that up

and it was never followed through

[tribal holly]

But nobody asked to remove the older one

[sage raptor]

I got one cooking rn

[elfin surge]

u wouldnt believe how many people DM me from this discord about warrior

i dont mind

[slim saffron]

it's not just that one, there are a lot of older ones too, but you get my point nonetheless

[elfin surge]

but ye

[mild thunder]

yea bro, ive had like a dozen as well ngl... not that i mind, they're usually super polite, but yea

[spice hornet]

Gala gives the best builds

[stark reef]

🤣🤣🤣

[slim saffron]

welcome to my every day for the last 8 years

[elfin surge]

Gala gives the best prot warrior builds

[mild thunder]

im being set-up

[vapid tartan]

Gala no bs build got me to 2.4K

[winged thistle]

rly happy for u guys

mud for SF or something

[elfin surge]

mag is a forum squad enjoyer

[severe skiff]

background check first, this is serious stuff

[winged thistle]

not even in the cord

[mild thunder]

@last spindle should be SF tbh

[winged thistle]

u on the other hand

[near delta]

People use the blizz forums 0_o

[elfin surge]

[umbral bobcat]

Shadowflame wreath good for fury guys?

Pvp

[mild thunder]

[urban skiff]

it's my 3rd highest damage

[umbral bobcat]

👍

[urban skiff]

ok maybe not THAT high, but it's up in the top5

[mild thunder]

(only r1s reply please)

[elfin surge]

I would say so

[near delta]

I did that one little macro thing and I had people dming me random macro questions for weeks lol

[spice hornet]

Mud on fury? Just unsubbed

[umbral bobcat]

So it beats double sophic ?

[elfin surge]

i q KFC tho

[dense spear]

whjat is shadowreath from?

is it enchant or gear

[elfin surge]

[elfin surge]

new weapon enchant

[mild thunder]

bm or sv?

[dense spear]

ty

[elfin surge]

surv obvi

[spice hornet]

Bet it’s bm

[mild thunder]

okay respectable

[spice hornet]

Dats cap

[fresh valve]

warlock > fury > arms > demo

[elfin surge]

man u can see its surv

[dense spear]

was that with both weps shadow wreathed?

[elfin surge]

yea

enchants arent cheap tho

[near delta]

I managed to snipe one on the ah for 20k

Not sure if I'll use or just resell

[mild thunder]

20k

[urban skiff]

I'm not seeing any onslaughts

[elfin surge]

i got mine for 60k each

[elfin surge]

onslaught sucks with anni

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge asks people for free gold and tells them he's a streamer so they give it to him

[urban skiff]

but it's FUN

[elfin surge]

just play RB build if u want onslaught

[umbral bobcat]

I think u switch to raging blow when u have 4 set

[elfin surge]

Without anni

with anni

[mild thunder]

anni build is so mid bro

[near delta]

I'm looking forward to meme one shots with spear + 4p

[umbral bobcat]

Can you tho cause the 4p is giganerfed in pvp

[urban skiff]

just 50%

like everyone else

[near delta]

It's ~15% so half of that is still pretty huge

Well ~13 in st

[urban skiff]

and that's just average. There's some burst potential that regular conq pieces won't match

i feel bad for the people swapping from arms to fury this season. When we start getting 4pc fury gonna get nerfed and arms will be best again

[twilit flax]

ngl arms most fun since mop

never had so much fun on a spec

fury too. especially since it use to be straight ass

[hard vector]

what build do i take, i have 4 set (pve) + ashkandur. just want my elite so can go back to pve again ;/

[twilit flax]

im seeing people take annihilator and onslaught

together

[torpid roost]

fucking fuck this game

couple points away from what I need, good streak

mage boomy ret lobby

[visual river]

This week has been a bit rough lol

Maybe we’ll do better next week

[woeful solstice]

nah i dont see this happening tbh

but also just git gud at both

some comps prob gonna be stronger with arms still

[bleak falcon]

is it normal that I just got a solo shuffle of 3 paladins and 3 warriors

[torpid roost]

that sounds fucking awful

[bleak falcon]

it was funny as hell bcuz i just kept nuking whichever paladin was on the enemy team, he'd bubble, i'd shatter, I'd finish him off

two prots one ret, two arms one fury

[crystal harbor]

is lock just broken af in shuffle

[visual river]

No boomies are 👌

[left flicker]

whats arms war go to 2nd crafted item ? currently got the boots atm

[twilit flax]

just wait till you have 4 piece, than use it for ur last item

i wasted it on my lock and wasnt worth it

tho mats on my realm are dirt cheap so it doesnt matter

and the equip on the chest is really good

but their isnt another that is worth it for war as much

[undone pumice]

i dont play this game so i cant

big L

[teal hedge]

What

Wuz dat mean

[fleet obsidian]

What the basic rotation and burst rotation for arms ? No need for anything in-depth (but that welcome as well). I just seem to always be lacking damage

[fickle forge]

[mild thunder]

dont bother reeading that shit bruh

[fickle forge]

I won't

[mild thunder]

just the avg skyhold day

[fickle forge]

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge kargish for SF

[mild thunder]

apparently i have an attitude

[worthy fern]

are there any fast leveling strats with the new patch?

[mild thunder]

60-70, or in general?

[fickle forge]

Silence hunter main

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet the warlock main and @wheat jay the hunter main... what has the world come to?

[teal hedge]

I'd say MUD should be SF

He has the vibes of a discord moderator

[worthy fern]

@mild thunder yea 60-70

[wheat jay]

bro im a warrior main

that adapted to kargish

to get him his glad

EZ

[mild thunder]

brackenhide farm is still the quickest, but if you dont have a ton of gold to sink there's the harldan leveling guide on his website

[teal hedge]

Artji is a man without principles

[mild thunder]

basically just main campaign with intermittent dungeons... takes 3-4 hours

[teal hedge]

Liar and a thief

[worthy fern]

yea i wasnt wanting to pay for it

just do normal leveling then

thx

[wheat jay]

i was warrior before you knew how to spell warcraft

[fickle forge]

And the looks

[wheat jay]

so fuk u

[fickle forge]

[mild thunder]

@worthy fern

http://harldan.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/sixsevenadventure.html

[teal hedge]

Oh yeah, harldan

I tried his 3-hour-level-60 and it took me around 8 hours, I think 💀

[mild thunder]

cope

[teal hedge]

I am only a couple of months older than WoW and I got to vote last year.

[wheat jay]

as i said, i rolled survi and kargo got glad

no need to thank me @fickle forge

you're welcome