thats pretty nice, works in pvp?
#pvp
teal cedar
lucid walrus
the entire match has been like this
near delta
thats pretty nice, works in pvp?
It does but it's nerfed by 50% or something
lucid walrus
every round sub-30sec
near delta
Can't recall the exact number
lucid walrus
what's needed for s2 crafted items, the same mats + spark + those little conq trophies?
haven't kept up
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> tested it on his stream the other day
i did
stark reef
Warriors don’t struggle with dying - the problem is killing wizards on time
unique fox
Is skullsplitter dead on arms now or still the only real choice?
spice hornet
sounds like something a warlock would say to kill warriors easier
ticks like 5k every 5 seconds
its not bad, but its not good either
the shield is like 90k
near delta
Is skullsplitter dead on arms now or still the only real choice?
Gonna take more time for people to figure out, but skullsplitter and without seem fine atm.
urban skiff
Is skullsplitter dead on arms now or still the only real choice?
try it out and tell us
be the change
Just realized I've been hardlocked into Embrace of Pa'ku zandatroll racial. Is it even the best one for fury pvp?
lean night
Sks still feels really strong ngl, Laros said sporecloak sucks yesterday
lucid walrus
what in our kit causes mortal to apply rend?
lean night
I think people overreacting to nerfs tbqh
urban skiff
I think people overreacting to nerfs tbqh
pvp'ers being dramatic at the idea of any change? Well now that's just absurd
next you'll tell me pvp'ers will be dramatic if there's no change as well? Ridiculous!
unique fox
Bloodletting talent applies rend on MS as of this patch
lean night
Who pissed in your cereal Protean 🤣
unique fox
under 35%
lucid walrus
gotcha gotcha. ty
urban skiff
Nobody, I just prefer people who like the game they play 
urban skiff
craft hat now?
worthy fern
urban skiff
Your selfhealing should have gone up
stark reef
fathom loom
shuffle starting pack
stark reef
That’s not shuffle
fathom loom
Actually it is
stark reef
So you went 2/4?
quick carbon
arms superior
woeful solstice
be lucky you gained rating on a 2-4
fathom loom
Yea. Or it's not the same game. I skewed reality, because I'm pissed and crave pity
stark reef
Yeah, should’ve lost rating
stark reef
Not sure I’m getting the angle. Are you winning or are you losing? If you’re winning more than you’re losing you gain rating relative to the competition you are winning against
Not rocket science
urban skiff
honestly at that point, level an alt and play around, wait for others to catch up so you have better opponents that'll give more points
fathom loom
It's all good. My one gripe is insanely long queue times on EU.
That, and queuing into two locks and two SP's 🐥
urban skiff
queue time is based on your rating and how many of your spec are also queueing up. My queue is only 20 minutes
stark reef
That’s a good lobby for fury - can’t run, can’t hide
fathom loom
queue time is based on your rating and how many of your spec are also queueing u...
I'm 1600
stark reef
If they train you never leave dstance and let your team mate win it for you
urban skiff
1600 is medium-high right now
quick carbon
fury act seems competitive with arms rn
stark reef
If they don’t train you just rip them a new one
quick carbon
nerf fury
fathom loom
1600 is medium-high right now
Where can you see this?
quick carbon
2100ish shuffle is higher end rn isnt it
fathom loom
I don't understand how you correlate it to queue times. What should I do?
urban skiff
1600 is around rank 330
stark reef
2100ish shuffle is higher end rn isnt it
Definitely
azure willow
im 2100 cr and i get queued with negative ratio healer 1.8 max xp 3s
stark reef
2100 shuffle is top 10 fury, top 20 arms
azure willow
idk wtf is going on atm
stark reef
im 2100 cr and i get queued with negative ratio healer 1.8 max xp 3s
They always get 2 healers that match each other so yeah, that happens -they'll find two cans and put them with DPS 300 rating higher
urban skiff
@stark reef My queue anxiety is setting in. I've got everything except used my second spark. Can't decide on embellishment, can't queue without the last bit of edge.
urban skiff
AI has gone too far. Designed a man with no chin
stark reef
“Help, Blizzard is target nerfing my spec.”
urban skiff
twin mural
im playing with rend but no skullsplitter. gameplay is smooth and fun
dont know if its the best tho
quick carbon
skullspliter still rlly good
hexed pier
do i use vers-stamina or vers-haste gems for arms?
stark reef
<@267069849723863041> My queue anxiety is setting in. I've got everything except...
If you actually have queue anxiety though just watch this clip on repeat. Words to live by:
dense herald
is skullsplitter down the drain
quick carbon
no
urban skiff
is skullsplitter down the drain
this is going to be a looong week
urban skiff
nothing personal, just that question is going to be asked a LOT
dense herald
is it still best to take skullsplitter,i was doing pretty big dmg without it
calm mango
hey - i'm trying to figure out why i'm getting sh*t on in RBGS - are casters just doing way too much dmg?
maybe someone help me with rotation?
oblique patrol
hey - i'm trying to figure out why i'm getting sh*t on in RBGS - are casters jus...
Warr is a bit of a struggle in rbgs rn with the current meta, are you EU or NA?
visual river
Go fury instead of arms rbg 👌
oblique patrol
Nahh defo dont think you quit - NA is the better region for warrior as NA isnt as "meta defined" as EU is - i think arms is falling off a bit with the nerf to Skullsplitter as in a teamfight thats kinda what you used to kill anything, so id suggest fury like Saiyan said
Fury also has greater mobility with Barbarian talent and in FC maps its much easier to stick on the enemy tank compared to arms
visual river
Rbg is about target swapping and surprise killing to turn the tides, fury has the sustain and the mega roar dps to do this now without the need to sharpen
oblique patrol
Rbg is about target swapping and surprise killing to turn the tides, fury has th...
Exactly that, arms just doesnt have that pressure rn in comparison to what it was, you become a glorified feral but worse with the bleed build you play as arms
spice hornet
Why play arms when I can play WW and hit 205k+ RSKs without having to worry about cs getting cucked by disarm or bop
quick carbon
Why play arms when I can play WW and hit 205k+ RSKs without having to worry abou...
Cuz arms is alpha male spec
oblique patrol
Why play arms when I can play WW and hit 205k+ RSKs without having to worry abou...
In the discussion of RBG, WW is too squishy, thats one of the reasons you dont see them - they just die and they dont bring anything meaningful to a teamfight
visual river
Damn I’m not in the leaderboard is it cos I haven’t played yet this week?
calm mango
Nahh defo dont think you quit - NA is the better region for warrior as NA isnt a...
thanks man.
all i'm seeing is boomy boomy and rot comps in rbgs
visual river
Yea I saw a queue with 5 boomy dps lol
oblique patrol
thanks man.
No problem, if you need a hand with builds just drop me a message, i play RBGs alot in EU so im constantly figuring out new things we can do
Yeah in RBG boomy is defo the go to, it has great aoe rot rn which is what wins you teamfights and Cyclone is the only consistent way to ninja a base
most groups will play 2 boomkins if you want to be meta
runic wharf
has anyone played with an evoker that has the new leggo? i know it just opened up but was jc
stark reef
Cuz arms is alpha male spec
@spice hornet is a warlock main that just hangs out here for the content. I don't blame him. Warlock disc sounds like a shitshow.
“My friend, my friend listen. After I used my 5th port and one of my 10 damage reductions that make me more tanky than a prot war I hit the most fearsome shadow burn and won the round. What an outplay. Wow that was smart!”
calm mango
this game is trash -_-
stark reef
stark reef
🤝
quick carbon
is that the stat for fury too
stark reef
other way around
quick carbon
I never touch fury but I might try it again this seas
quick carbon
If I play fury ima have to change the rampage icon
To the mortal strike icon
I can’t play a spec unless I see mortal strike icon on its action bar
stark reef
change rampage to ms, onslaught to csmash, bt to overpower
quick carbon
god bro honestly
the biggest issue for me with fury
I rlly hate the aesthetic of it
stark reef
for me exact other way around
quick carbon
When I think of fury I think of actual Down syndrome man screaming wildly
stark reef
me irl
stark reef
you have to breathe in the autism that comes with pressing bt 20 times per second
it's an immersive experience, really
dark sparrow
Fury animations are just super ass
stark reef
I qued into a fury war in shuffle today
Definitely feel like it's close to even rn - really depends on lobby and player
Fury nice into caster, arms nice into meele
fathom loom
Ah yes, The famous 40 minutte queue followed by +1 rating.
bleak badger
Atleast it wasnt rating unchanged
visual river
Like 5mins lol
fathom loom
😮
visual river
Ah yes, The famous 40 minutte queue followed by +1 rating.
Two options, either wait a couple of weeks for season to inflate, or start striving for 4/6 games minimum
fathom loom
The CC changes didnt change anything for the queue times on my end in 10.1
visual river
I also recommend doing casual bg for practicing survival and rotations
fathom loom
Two options, either wait a couple of weeks for season to inflate, or start striv...
Yea... Or "normal" arenas
visual river
Nah they’re too sweaty for me. I don’t feel like fighting 8mins into dampen every match ..
2min fights with solo q is ok lol, things are usually over shortly after second set of avatar reck cooldowns
Or ideally within first 10 seconds when people least expect it haha
My healer will protect me!
My dps will press a cool down…
pale minnow
There's a dude in Eu on 2.7k 3v3 and 3.5k solo q ret pala and has 600 games on both, this guy is playing non stop or how's this even possible? We are 2nd week into the season
pale minnow
Probably outdated webpage
U are right
quick carbon
Fury nice into caster, arms nice into meele
I think arms is good into anything that it can stick on, fury’s bang is better than arms tho imo
but both specs seem pretty good rn
iron fractal
Is Shadowflame any good, has it been tested yet?
iron fractal
Ye
stark reef
But expensive af
Definitely best rn but Sophic might scale better with bis gear so TBD what's best later
On fury it's 6-8% of your dmg
visual river
Maybe if you use double shadow flame it’s only 3-4% of my dps on mainhand right now kinda underwhelming
iron fractal
Been considering using it both for my fury and arms specc.
visual river
If only solo wep do not use, better off sticking with sophic
My guildie bought one for me to test I might try doubling down and getting both to try but so far it is very underwhelming
2k dps ticks only and doesn’t crit
stark reef
Maybe if you use double shadow flame it’s only 3-4% of my dps on mainhand right ...
If it's 3-4% solo you know what it's if you use it twice 
This is one of the higher games though
visual river
Would you if done better with double sophic though
iron fractal
Want something that works both with my fury and arms weapons..
visual river
I do not recommend for single wep enchant , like at all
stark reef
This is a long game so better sample
visual river
Yea see 6% so 3% per hand, kinda unimpressed
stark reef
You really think Sophic does more than that?
I don't have the math but uptime looked low to me
visual river
Sophic would boost all your other abilities for that instant damage, rather than a 2k tick
stark reef
On the buff
I had less than 30% uptime on it I think
I'd love to see the math on sophic if someone has it
visual river
I feel bad for replacing it cos guildie bought it for me lol
And it doesn’t stack it just refreshes duration
stark reef
I'd def not replace it - many good wars are using it - mud, magnus, tons of people in top 20 on fury
visual river
But is it also cos they are testing it?
stark reef
I mean it did 317k in 1 match - i can't imagine sophic does that much damage
That's massive damage
visual river
It’s a no for single weapon users , a maybe for dual wielding imo
visual river
The price dropped from 90k to 40k for gold version yesterday haha hope it drops more , maybe I’ll commit to the second enchant
guildie was very kind to me about it
iron fractal
Atm I use sophic on arms, and sophic+ shadowflame as fury.
visual river
Nice
stark reef
Mate I recorded an entire self-tape in jeans when it clearly stated shorts - fkn legs bruv
We go agane - can’t even play the damn game today
And now they say “wear polo” and I don’t have it because I either wear tank tops or dress shirts. Fk this, it’s cursed.
vapid tartan
And now they say “wear polo” and I don’t have it because I either wear tank tops...
Just cut the dress shirt sleeves
stark reef
And write “Skyhold” on the back with sharpie
Who has a fkn polo? I play fury warrior in my free time not god damn golf.
This is getting really cursed because I don’t have shorts other than gym shorts so we’re wearing the squat shoes with it. It is what it is.
tawny brook
67 F is optimal room temp
iron fractal
When I make a craft order for the Infurious warboots, do I need to put a minimum quality for it?
vapid tartan
Wasn’t there a elite 2h ashkandur recolor datamined?
iron fractal
Or does it make any difference of the quality of my Infurious warboots?
tawny brook
No
As long as you make the season 2 version with shadowflame and the reagent that does ilvl450 in arena you are good
PvE item level means nothing
glass orchid
Shadow flame armor patch feels like dogshit
Does like 1% of my damage in arena
Idk if it’s nerfed for PvP
visual river
Ok that’s good to know , I was wondering if it was worth making it
Infurious helm still strong for now then
visual river
Cloak is nerfed 60% in PvP
glass orchid
Yeah it’s still a 120k shield
that procs while stunned
Think of it as like a auto rallying cry
visual river
That’s after 60%? So pve is 280k+?
glass orchid
Yep
visual river
Interesting
glass orchid
The enh shaman that I saw it on had a 120k heal
He lived for 1 gcd longer than I expected
After my teammate popped doomwinds + ascendancr
visual river
It’s a auto proc though chances are it will get wasted with healer cd
It seems ok on paper
Gonna hodl the spark
vapid tartan
Executioners precision isn’t nerfed In pvp??
Pvp modifier says 1 I did not know that
fiery marsh
I don't get it, we got 2 spark halfs this week?
vapid tartan
I don't get it, we got 2 spark halfs this week?
2 halfs make a whole spark
fiery marsh
yeah but there's a quest in bgs and one in rbgs, so we get 2 halfs?
or if u do 1 quest, the malicias hoard doesnt give a half in the other quest
vapid tartan
you can get one half per week, from the epic bg and niffen rep quest, the first one you complete will give you your weekly half
craggy geyser
It’s just half a week right? Either from BG or new zone quest….
tawny brook
What class is best against this wizard meta? It must be entertaining for DK to be peepee poopoo tier in a caster meta 😂
woeful solstice
warrior
just dont be dumb with your gap closers and cooldowns
you have to be the one exhausting the casters of their defensives and kiting
im prob going gnome for this
on main
stark reef
im prob going gnome for this
I cannot recommend this high enough
Gnome is amazing - human also very good, especially if rogues stick around
But that 1min CD is really the kicker on gnome
near delta
https://tenor.com/view/funni-meme-gif-22841383
LMAO fr tho
near delta
gnome, nelf, dark iron all very strong in current meta
I wanna die everytime I queue into casters with my orc warr and get rooted out of the game
tawny brook
Im switching my gnome to human. Can’t take the tiny waddling midget look anymore
Gnomes root break is comfy af though if you dont mind the looks
quick carbon
Just tmorph bro
stark reef
Im switching my gnome to human. Can’t take the tiny waddling midget look anymore
🤣
That’s the best part
rotund trellis
you guys using the troophies of strife for upgrading the 2nd 2h weapon if playing fury?
stark reef
Rage-filled midget on the lose in isle 7
vapid tartan
Im switching my gnome to human. Can’t take the tiny waddling midget look anymore
Yeah but your obscenely large sword won’t clip the ground and piss people off
Real advantage of gnome
sage raptor
67 F is optimal room temp
Ironically its also @mild thunders IQ
im closer to 1 though so im better
mild thunder
Ironically its also <@589020053748449300>s IQ
yea but i still have more chromosomes than everyone, so it doesnt matter
fiery marsh
Shadowflame tempered patch safe 2nd embellishment?
stark reef
What’s that on?
sage raptor
yea but i still have more chromosomes than everyone, so it doesnt matter
you mfer
elfin valve
just dont be dumb with your gap closers and cooldowns
yea how does this work btw
feel like I am a kite
for basically anything with any mobility button
woeful solstice
stop chasing when you have to expend your closers to chase?
hit something else
try using your closers when you have advantage not when you're getting kited
elfin valve
try using your closers when you have advantage not when you're getting kited
got it ok
on sub I could stick to anything
but only had to leave when they looked at me
fiery marsh
What’s that on?
u can put it anywhere I think no?
stark reef
You have 2 charges, leap, intervene, piercing howl, fear, shockwave and bolt - not sure how you’re getting kited
stark reef
u can put it anywhere I think no?
Tbh I don’t know if there is a safe second craft
But yeah, vs stuff like mage and hunter don’t spend your cc randomly - spend it when they are about to get away
Trapped? Fear.
Trapped again? Bolt.
stark reef
Tbh people running either
woeful solstice
yea
stark reef
I run onslaught but ladder is complete split with some running both
woeful solstice
hmmm
stark reef
Odyns better cleave and in 3s I guess you want max value so odyns?
Since damage in 3s sticks better
visual river
Human is ok, the bloodrage talent is really good on a 20s cd, typically you can also hold odyns fury for the first root break, avatar if they are dumb
stark reef
That’s a big one, yeah - using odyns for avatar root break
visual river
That’s the upside of odyn over onslaught but if you’re gnome that’s a small filler
visual river
Maybe he logged out testing on dummies
visual river
Omg rival 16/17 games
woeful solstice
i hate looking at builds on wow site
visual river
Yea it’s very shit lol
woeful solstice
i did rival in 7 with arms
visual river
I think he’s probably arms and swapping to fury mid gear right now, made it up with actual skill
stark reef
He has fully talented onslaught and odyns but no annihilator and no imp raging blow
So between CDs he might just waddle around
visual river
Playing on hard mode
stark reef
Could be, yeah
He was there week one so maybe just played this as a gimmick, got some oneshots and hasn’t played since
woeful solstice
right
steep cairn
is getting the trophy of strife crit 2H this week a dumb move?
fiery marsh
guys, 2P or 4P in pvp for fury?
woeful solstice
brother its week 2
rotund trellis
jesus christ I forgot about the toxicity of bgs
river walrus
Regular bgs or rated?
woeful solstice
both are shit
rbg dead bracket and regular bgs make me want to blow my brains out as melee
bleak badger
Rbg soloq when
rotund trellis
Regular bgs or rated?
regular for the weekly
craggy geyser
Is there another way to earn Trophy of Strife other than weekly?
quick carbon
rbg dead bracket and regular bgs make me want to blow my brains out as melee
Just charge to the casters
Press mortal strike or press rampage
Kill them
Win
slay them with your masculine energy
supple galleon
Is there another way to earn Trophy of Strife other than weekly?
I dont think there is
tawny brook
Enhance is pretty squishy isn’t it? They seem so from my experience but Im also average
Wondering if Im overvaluing them as a target
quick carbon
doesn’t matter if they’re squish if they 300-0 u instantly
craggy geyser
Fire mages need a fucking nerdf
quick carbon
it’s just time for fire mage to shine bro
craggy geyser
right lol
tawny brook
Now it’s the wizards turn
Cuck mentality
quick carbon
we’ve been S tier for the first ssn
And all of sl
it’s not our time friends
we can’t be the best thing in the entire game every season boys
Accept being A tier
sage raptor
That's how you stop being S tier
quick carbon
being s tier all the time boring
fast yacht
is fury/fistweaver a viable 2s comp? or strong one? how about arms?
quick carbon
Both good
fast yacht
we struggle whenever we face someone with insane cc like frost mage etc... and my fistweaver has to attack whenever he heals ...
quick carbon
mistweaver is better than fistweaver rn no?
obsidian loom
are fire mages still exploiting ignite?
tawny brook
being s tier all the time boring
Is this a troll
spice hornet
are fire mages still exploiting ignite?
Yes, don’t give them free rating
obsidian loom
how to counter it?
spice hornet
By not queuing
quick carbon
Is this a troll
no?
obsidian loom
great to see blizzard continuing to test their game
stark reef
How does it even work?
Had a mage do it in game 1 of 6 but couldn’t do it again for whatever reason
So he went 2/4
🤣
But oneshot us game 1
obsidian loom
i called him out on it he stopped talking
hazy isle
"We were good last season so its ok to not be as good now"
obsidian loom
just kill them
hazy isle
"We" btw
stark reef
A-tier is still good?
quick carbon
"We were good last season so its ok to not be as good now"
warrior is still very strong LMAO
why r u acting like warrior sucks
stark reef
S tier literally broken.
hazy isle
I didnt know not as good = bad
tawny brook
"We" btw
Hello fellow warriors, you are becoming weaker and here is how that is a good thing!
quick carbon
OH NO THE FIRST SEASON IN 2 YEARS WHERE WARRIOR ISNT THE BEST CLASS IN THE GAME OH NOOOOO
THE HORROR
tawny brook
Fellow warriors, we must be happy about losing our position of dominance
quick carbon
hazy isle
Idk who you are quoting nor why ur seething all im saying is that you sound retarded.
quick carbon
warrior still very good
hazy isle
👍
quick carbon
Play better kill the wizards
tawny brook
Idk who you are quoting nor why ur seething all im saying is that you sound reta...
Who is seething?
hazy isle
The person going all caps
tawny brook
Gotcha
quick carbon
warrior players are just as bad as rogue players
river trench
Hows fury doing with the recent buffs?
stark reef
Good
river trench
would you say on par with arms or?
tawny brook
hazy isle
Stop playing warrior. And play a cool class like monk
quick carbon
Player versus Player
Classes
Mage
Fire
Fixed a bug that caused Ignite to deal increased damage when spread while using the Glass Cannon PvP Talent.
stark reef
river trench
WW monk kinda felt like poopoo
quick carbon
Ww cracked rn
hazy isle
Nah. Its very good atm. Its way less bland than whatever arms is atm
Fury is even more disgust
quick carbon
I like arms design I wouldn’t call it bland
stark reef
Are any people in this channel actually warrior mains or just tourists?
craggy geyser
Are any people in this channel actually warrior mains or just tourists?
LMAO
quick carbon
stark reef
It’s like 1/5 in here. Everyone just fishing.
woeful solstice
hey guys can someone play the game for me
river trench
i mained it all of shadowlands, switched to other classes that i didnt end up enjoying and considering coming back to warrior
candid citrus
so whats the consensus for the second crafted piece for pvp?
quick carbon
nobody knows anything rn
candid citrus
so yuou have not made a second crafted piece?
woeful solstice
nope
candid citrus
u ging to wait 4 more weeks to think about it? lol
hazy isle
"2 more weeks"
woeful solstice
i think most people are just using boot/helm still
quick carbon
hey guys uhm do i avatar before I colossus smash or colossus smash before I avatar
stark reef
You should play monk
Just saying
Anyways, logging on my warlock to play pvp with
Nice talk
You guys recommend boomkin?
woeful solstice
lets run arms/boomie
quick carbon
boomkin pretty decent
stark reef
stark reef
If it’s not S I’m not playing it
obsidian loom
did we decide what to craft with sparks?
quick carbon
Just put ur nuts on the table
Take a chance on something u think is good
and send it
obsidian loom
nah i dont want to think too hard or take risks
quick carbon
it isn’t gonna make or break u bro I promise
obsidian loom
im aware, dad
craggy geyser
Craft something its better than nothing dude
I did helm / boots
maybe not best to do helm but... it can always be fixed in a couple weeks
vapid tartan
Shuffle is really escalating my nic addiction jesus
elfin valve
hey guys
vapid tartan
Hey guy
river trench
No.
elfin valve
can someone link me something from the pins
vapid tartan
elfin valve
any of you double dps 2s with a mage?
obsidian loom
anyone using the shadowflame embellishment?
elfin valve
my buddy likes frost and fire, don’t seem to notice much of a diff yet. feels like a non-comp but we’re just queuing
vapid tartan
Doesnt double dps stop winning once people have brains
elfin valve
it’s too finesse for me
“You have to step cheap the off target, then step full kidney into…”
pass
rotund trellis
lol 2s are cancer
no one use healers anymore, just 2x casters
you guys crafting helm?
fast yacht
wanted to know too, what is the next item to craft after boots?
steep cairn
lol same question here
some warrior was telling me oh man you gotta check out this belt they didnt nerf the proc in pvp
visual river
Awesome
Lazy answer for the impatient: go infurious helm
Real answer: Don’t know yet, season is only week 2
Apparently shadow flame patch is shit only 2-3% damage
This is kinda the same as the shadow flame weapon enchant but at least the benefit is we can force mastery vers if we go shadow flame patch.
There are some wars using elemental lariat
Safe to just be patient and hold onto your second spark for now
stark reef
I'm making this belt as soon as i get my spark
Looks good to me
Mastery with more mastery
45% in PvP rn, we can do 50%
🤝
vapid tartan
I'm making this belt as soon as i get my spark
Which one?
stark reef
Primal Molten Greatbelt w/ Blue Silken Lining
vapid tartan
Hmm seems kinda risk no? Not sure how often we are above 90% health tho would have to track that
How much of a bonus is it at 450?
stark reef
Depends on match but a lot of times
War is bad target + good sustain, i'm sending it
(I'm not saying this is good or best, I just like it)\
Main reason is no tier on belt, conq belt no mastery so I get vers/mastery belt with more mastery
visual river
I was considering that too but melee is harder to stay above 90%, it’s like a 200 bonus mastery at 424 so maybe 250 at 450?
I had the same idea with shadow flame patch on molten belt, problem is that trophy to upgrade belt is shared with feet which means we need to buy a new 450 trophy for 750conq
stark reef
Ouch, i see
visual river
Bear in mind likely we won’t be playing anni sustain build with 4 set
It will be raging blow for a big bloodthirsty , which also makes silver lining a bad idea
stark reef
Yeah, that's tbd but dropping anni is monkaS
visual river
Anni build with 4set is a waste of 4set imo, doesn’t make sense
You will never go above 2 stacks
stark reef
I just don't like crafting helm when conq helm is that good
visual river
Yea conq with mastery is great, we have nice mastery bracer with scalewarden, mastery in boots. Belt is the only logical slot left
But the trophy 750conq kills it lol, it’s a very later in the season decision
OR maybe make a ring
So we can have double mastery ring
I had blue linen on ring for my hunter
visual river
Yea but eventually you’d want full 450s
stark reef
For sure
visual river
I think second embellishment for ring or belt is the best play, ring had higher stat distribution
stark reef
Can blue lining go on ring?
visual river
Yes I have it for my hunter season 1
stark reef
Oh, right
Hm, and i can make it rn?
with the trophy i have left after making boots?
visual river
I believe so but it is the lesser slot, which also fucking needs conq to buy trophy hahaha
But it’s like 500conq vs 750
The leftover trophy is for head chest and shoulders
And pants I think
mild mango
its just head chest and legs
visual river
Ah thank you
stark reef
I see, yeah - hm
visual river
So yes, like I said impatient can use 450 infurious helm (good for rbg)
Minmax go belt or ring, my money is on ring
mild mango
i dont see the primal molten helm effect does it come automatically or what is the embellishment we put on it
visual river
It is a separate embellishment
mild mango
whats it called
visual river
The mastery if over 90% hp is like blue silver linen or something
Or else shadowflame armor patch for an extra 2-3% damage tick
mild mango
the one i see ppl using is the determination stacking making your auto attacks gain 1700 or so dmg and burst at 10 stacks
visual river
Yes you can, that was my other idea you can buy the honor one that gives 437 but that is immediately double mastery rings right now
mild mango
20 stacks sorry lol
stark reef
Yes you can, that was my other idea you can buy the honor one that gives 437 but...
Ok, but let's say you do rings - where do you get your mastery belt from?
visual river
Nowhere, just like you won’t get double mastery rings when at full 450
One of them is gonna be haste , ring has greater stat distribution into mastery sacrifice agi. Belt has agi
stark reef
I see what you're saying - more mastery from rings
I don't see agility on belt, am i missing something?
Or what do you mean by agi?
visual river
Oh is it also stam on belt only ?
stark reef
Stam/Strength
mild mango
i cant seem to find the embelishtment that magnusz is using on his helmet anyone know what its called?
stark reef
i cant seem to find the embelishtment that magnusz is using on his helmet anyone...
Doesn't he just have the infurious helm?
mild mango
no primal molten helm with determination stacking effect
lilac musk
Question about the pinned " - Swap out Blunted Instruments/Warbreaker if you are consistently hitting >2 targets (i.e. 2x melee + FistWeaver) or against pet classes."
stark reef
Like your argument for ring tbh - i think ring w/ silken lining using honor token is what i'll do and then upgrade to conq later
lilac musk
Is that swap out Blunted FOR Warbreaker - or just move that point elsewhere?
I feel like it should be the former.
But I'm always wrong about this kind of crap
lilac musk
kk yeah thats what I thought.
visual river
Unstable Frostfire Belt seems maybe viable , has mastery and is like an offensive version of infurious helm
Wowhead doesn’t say if it is nerfed in PvP
stark reef
Can you link?
visual river
Damage seems very similar to infurious helm, but this is active when you damage and helm is reactive to you getting hit
But maybe shadowflame patch is better or similar to this belt also
Tough choices
I still feel shadowflame patch might be the way to go (on ring), extra 2-3% damage, then shadowflame weapon enchants , 3% damage per enchant
That’s 9% total dots from gear
fast yacht
wts the best website to follow pro player builds? pvpleaderboard?
visual river
Murlok.io, check-pvp.fr, wow leaderboards
Pick your poison
fast yacht
tks
stark reef
I still feel shadowflame patch might be the way to go (on ring), extra 2-3% dama...
You think it matters if you hit with 2 weapons vs. 1?
For patch?
visual river
It just means more applications , it’s about 50% uptime with 1 just the damage is kinda shit
stark reef
I mean if it is in fact another 3% dmg i think that's really good
visual river
Someone earlier today was using it and said it’s only 3%
stark reef
You think using it twie on wep + embellishment will reduce effectiveness?
Some sort of dr?
visual river
I think the wep and the patch are different dots
So it shouldn’t clash, it’s how the double weapon enchant interact with each other , will it be separate dots or reapply the same dot?
I know my current MH shadowflame wreathe refreshes duration of dot back to full
stark reef
Ok, I just unequipped my gloves which are 266 Mastery, buff gives 250, it was 2% down
So above 90% I'd do an extra 2% dmg whilst enraged - roughly
That sounds mid
mild mango
ok so i found the embelishment https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=205171/figurine-of-the-gathering-storm
visual river
Oh I heard the gathering storm was shit for the return
mild mango
idk thats the helmet ive been seeing alot of ppl using
visual river
Interesting , why helmet though . Taking advantage of the leftover trophy ?
mild mango
thats my guess
visual river
I’d still put it on ring even if it was the go to
stark reef
Yeah, I really like the ring idea
My regular honor ring has 600 mastery, if crafted is close that’s huge
I’m sure some PvE lords have done the math on shadowflame patch?
This sounds like it would fail the fact check?
indigo barn
Would a patch beat out 500ish primary on CDs?
visual river
This is the ring before adding PvP token which I am using on hunter
But yes it is about extra 2% mastery
stark reef
Yeah, this seems mid at best
Patch on ring w/ honor token - this sounds like the play
vapid tartan
Doesn’t honor token give lower ilvl tho?
stark reef
It does but you can upgrade with conq token when you have more conq
Since we don’t have a second conq token for ring atm
urban skiff
crafted honor gear also requires a spark
stark reef
Please double and tripple check this - I don’t take responsibility for wrong crafts
stark reef
crafted honor gear also requires a spark
Yes but not the upgrade
urban skiff
not sure i follow
stark reef
The idea is to make a ring with Vers mastery so you have 2 rings with bis stats and upgrade later
Since there is no other vers mastery ring at 450 or 447
urban skiff
huh?
stark reef
Only conq but you need 2
urban skiff
aaah
was gonna say yaeh there's a conq one
but if the goal is to have two, crafting is the way around having to mix conq and honor
stark reef
Same issue with belts but ring has more mastery
urban skiff
so is this WITH embellishments?
woeful solstice
yeah cant you just craft a signet of titanic + add the pvp thing to it to make it go 450?
stark reef
Maybe? I don’t know
stark reef
If so then you’d do belt?
woeful solstice
ur gonna see people with hella optimized sets late s2
nah its not embelish i dont believe
i could be wrong
but
its from the conq vendor
stark reef
Since belt also has no mastery options
urban skiff
it does not
woeful solstice
so technically you can do 2x rings with mast/vers
conq one and then this ring but with diff stats allocated
stark reef
Yeah, I was not aware - sounds like it
stark reef
Do you know if there are any options for belts?
stark reef
So you could just make primal molten belt without embellishment if you’re 2/2?
near delta
The gearing system this season is incredible
woeful solstice
So you could just make primal molten belt without embellishment if you’re 2/2?
ya
im pretty sure
woeful solstice
The gearing system this season is incredible
agreed i was a bit peeved with the complexity early on but its looking much better now
near delta
Curious what cheese we'll see down the line tho like Mes wearing those pve pants vs demo locks in AWC lol
urban skiff
So you could just make primal molten belt without embellishment if you’re 2/2?
if that's what you want, i think having 2 embellishments is better
near delta
Where you get haste everytime you hit a new target
woeful solstice
if that's what you want, i think having 2 embellishments is better
eventually we can have it all
after 5 sparks it wont matter
stark reef
if that's what you want, i think having 2 embellishments is better
Definitely, was talking if you have it in other slots - just to get eight stats on belt
woeful solstice
there will be a giga optimized set after about 2 months of s2
its 100% going to involve a crafted ring and belt
non embellished
visual river
Yes you can make a PvP crafted belt WITHOUT embellishments , that’s really fucking smart actually
woeful solstice
i think the shadowflame one is gonna be good
urban skiff
its 100% going to involve a crafted ring and belt
and bracers
stark reef
i think the shadowflame one is gonna be good
And slot? Helm since we have token?
woeful solstice
and bracers
we have vers/mast bracer no? im speaking for fury tbh lmao arms is feeling scuffed
visual river
Bracers you can use the scalewarden 447 mastery
stark reef
If you can fill other slots anyways can just make helm now
woeful solstice
ya i think for pvp you go all but helm for tier
craft primal molten helm versa/mast
with the pvp enhancement
visual river
Ooffff molten 450 belt with mastery vers.
Titanic mastery vers ring with embelishment
Sorted
urban skiff
what helm is everyone talking about?
because the thorns one seems really underwhelming
woeful solstice
it is
visual river
Conq helm already has mastery
urban skiff
so it's gathering storm?
woeful solstice
Conq helm already has mastery
oh yeah
stark reef
Yeah, helm feels bad to craft - only reason is having the token already
stark reef
I want to see numbers but everything else just doesn’t sound that good
woeful solstice
shadowflame embellish is simming top for everyone in pve
visual river
molten 450 belt with mastery vers NO embelishment
Titanic 450 ring with mastery vers ring with embellishment
Results? Full mastery gear in fury
woeful solstice
id imagine its top pvp
woeful solstice
molten 450 belt with mastery vers NO embelishment
Titanic 450 ring with mastery...
yep pretty much
you can keep embellish off ring too
doesnt really matter
you just buy the item enhancement for any pieces you cant get perfect from conq
urban skiff
Yeah, helm feels bad to craft - only reason is having the token already
if we utilize the token it's a free 800-something conq and maybe it can be used to make tier later
visual river
Recraft with embelishment when you can decide what to do
woeful solstice
ye
stark reef
if we utilize the token it's a free 800-something conq and maybe it can be used ...
That’s a good argument
visual river
We’d need a 3rd spark
woeful solstice
tbh im not even stressing trying to figure this all out right now
urban skiff
alternatively we have a spark right now that'll in other slots require we spend conq
woeful solstice
im pve mode currently and ill go hard pvp once conq uncaps
urban skiff
as i see it we're locked into using second spark for helm/chest/legs with maybe gathering storm.
visual river
Light bulb moment when everything kinda clicks
urban skiff
the token literally has no other uses
visual river
It’s ok to not use it lol it’s suggested and free
I’d use it for infurious helm for the rbgers if I really must use it
stark reef
It’s not stress it’s fun to theorycraft and plan lol
Yeah, I always tell people not to do this because the pros usually find something random nobody thought off but might as well since I’m playing active rn
urban skiff
I don't think we can use catalyst om crafted hats
stark reef
I think patch on helm is very cost effecient as it saves you ~1600 conq
spice hornet
i like the new feral playstyle theyve all discovered in 2s
woeful solstice
hmmm so we do have that other free trophy
if you craft primal molten it saves you conq
urban skiff
what is patch?
spice hornet
just repeatedly cyclone over and over the non-cyclone DR person
visual river
I noticed this , fucking feral Druid cyxloning people in solos also
Breaking cat to do it sometimes I’m like wtf
urban skiff
Breaking cat to do it sometimes I’m like wtf
they have a pvp talent where cyclone puts them instantly back in cat form AND gives them something like 5 combopoints
visual river
Wow
visual river
No wonder
urban skiff
it's free 5 combo points + burst damage after using a finisher after instantly shifting into cat form after a cyclone
stack 5 cp -> cyclone -> fb fb
ngl that sounds like fun
visual river
Just gotta be in point with kicks and stuns then haha
urban skiff
alternative to patch is frostfire legs
every enemy you damage grants 165 haste stacks 5 times. Bring on the pet classes?
visual river
Ehhh very situational and legs is tier
quick carbon
im going to use shadowflame wreathe as arms and be different
quick carbon
then tell u all why it sucks
urban skiff
haste cap -> we can start stacking crit for tier
urban skiff
already am
and 3% over vers softcap too
only reason i'm not shifting some of my gems around to lose vers is because some tier pieces are without vers
woeful solstice
helm: conq vers/mast
neck: conq vers/mast
shoulder: tier
cloak: conq vers/mast
chest: tier
bracer: conqq haste/vers
glove: tier
belt: crafted haste/mast w/ pvp trophy
legs: tier
boot: infurious
ring1: conq LIKELY haste/vers
ring2: crafted haste/mast
this is what i think optimal fury loadout will be
urban skiff
it's missing the second embellishment
urban skiff
why not crafted bracers with vers mastery?
woeful solstice
by the time we pick itll likely be different
why waste a spark?
also you need some haste
if anything you can likely get away with ditching vers
urban skiff
you'll be drowning in them long before you've got the conq to buy conq bracers.
cap for full gear is like 13k conquest
cap goes up by 550 every week. You'll be able to craft conq in every slot since the craft tokens are 1:1 with the actual pieces
so you'll want to craft any piece that has more vers than mastery
starting with pieces that don't have mastery at all
visual river
helm: conq vers/mast
neck: conq vers/mast
shoulder: tier
cloak: conq vers/mast
c...
Why are you crafting hast mast? Shouldn’t we do mastery vers?
Our vers will go down once you get more tier likely sub 30
Possibly sub 30*
Also bracer slot can be vers mast with scalewarden 447
It’s bis similar situation to DH in season 1
urban skiff
or crafted for extra 3 ilvl, more mastery, less vers
visual river
True
urban skiff
as long as we're enraged, mastery gives more damage done than vers per rating
visual river
helm: conq vers/mast
neck: conq vers/mast
shoulder: tier
cloak: conq vers/mast
chest: tier
bracer: scalewarden 447 OR crafted vers/mast w/PvP trophy (no embelishment)
glove: tier
belt: crafted vers/mast w/ pvp trophy (no embelishment)
legs: tier
boot: infurious war boots
ring1: conq vers/mast
ring2: crafted titanic mast/vers (optional embelishment)
Optional 4 sparks but can go 3 if using scalewarden bracers
Crafted gear is Molten Plate gear
Pretty good, easy 50%+ mastery , maybe 55%
urban skiff
i'm crafting hat, the way i see it i can get embellishment now + free 875 conq token that otherwise won't get used
then remove embellishment later when ring if needed
visual river
Yea, when you are swimming in conq
urban skiff
only downside is maybe getting tier hat in bault
visual river
I had head, chest and trinket this week lol, happy with the tier chest
visual river
I bought the tier shoulders with the token, easy mastery now
urban skiff
5 weeks to catalyst, saving token in case i can score 4pc with it
visual river
2pc is very strong to get asap
visual river
Then 4pc can take it’s time , I am 99% sure we move away from anni build with 4pc ..
urban skiff
gathering storm or shadowflame patch?
urban skiff
i'm bs so i just recraft if it's totally wrong
visual river
Can you replace the embelishment on the same piece ?
visual river
Someone has mentioned shadowflame patch is 3% damage only
Apparently magnus is playing with gathering storm
I read it storm is POS though but it seems both are kinda POS
urban skiff
isn't he arms?
tawny brook
Would you get the mastery conquest ring or the tokens of merit for a socket if those were your vault options for fury?
visual river
Mastery ring for fury bis
tawny brook
So that over sockets
visual river
Yes because we have shit all conq so it’s better to get conq 450 asap
tawny brook
K it is a ton of mastery replacing this haste ring
visual river
So reading the effect for gathering storm, you gain 1 determination per second whenever you are snared only, then your next attack consumes all the determination stacks to deal multiple of 1700damage . It’s only snare though not stuns or fear etc
I think that’s weaker than shadowflame weapon enchant, even that at least ticks for 2k per second and lasts 12s
woeful solstice
dont need it when gnome
visual river
So yeaaa if you really must, I’d reckon shadowflame armor patch is better , at least that procs on your damage abilities , something you can control
The gathering storm procs on snare only
So imo for the impatient warr bros looking to use their second spark right now
Rbg: infurious helm
Arena; shadowflame armor patch helm
If you can wait, shadowflame armor patch titanic ring
urban skiff
So reading the effect for gathering storm, you gain 1 determination per second w...
best case scenario gathering storm is 1700 dps
but it'll probably always be up when you're going for a kill
visual river
Maybe baby, theoretically
urban skiff
when are we not snared these days?
gathering storm was 6k on AH and the patch was 35k. Figured it's way cheaper to test this way instead of the other
visual river
Do it once do it right , please be our Guinea pig 😄
umbral bobcat
As fury do I stack mastery pvp?
woeful solstice
tawny brook
As fury do I stack mastery pvp?
Yes
fickle forge
fleet obsidian
Guys, what are the best embelishments crafts for PvP? Sorry if it was already asked somewhere (Mostly wanna play 2s with a rdruid friend)
green wyvern
man they fixed the ashkandur transmog
but theres no pvp version of ashkandur yet
rip
gaunt notch
"yet" as if they are going to put one in at this point
unique fox
wow man destro locks and fire mages sure are fucked right now
urban skiff
arms is fine if you're good
unique fox
The lack of skullsplitter damage is definitely noticeable
steep inlet
gonna retry so
didnt play since s1 except few games directly at 2k+ mmr first day of s2
fighting fucking destro glads/r1 and moonkins
felt puking
vague crater
So imo for the impatient warr bros looking to use their second spark right now
...
hi sorry what you mean if you can wait get ring? why wait? i tought ring was one spark so we coule craft also that right now 🤔
visual river
ring requires a lesser trophy of conquest which requires 500conq
or you could buy the honor version which will give you 337ilvl for now , add an embelishment, then upgrade it later to 450 by recraft
vague crater
oh i see thanks
tawny brook
Are you all liking odyns fury build or onslaught build more?
open glacier
Annihalettor build
Anihilatlr with haste or mastery
idle falcon
Stack both, both is equal
open glacier
Ok
idle falcon
But i heard some people say get mastery on the stuff you can get mastery with and anything else is haste
teal hedge
i hate this game sometimes
Isn't the rating deflated rn?
stable siren
Thank you for the new builds for 10.1 stuff
vapid tartan
helm: conq vers/mast
neck: conq vers/mast
shoulder: tier
cloak: conq vers/mast
c...
Don’t you have to buy another trophy to craft leg slot? Thought the one we have left over is head/chest/legs
teal hedge
You people got any EU guilds?
vapid tartan
Not sure if the cost of trophy is more than spending conq on belt tho I’ll have to check
teal hedge
I remain guildless after the danish guild fell apart
DOMS HAS HIT, BABY
Love this shit
mortal gulch
should i get the 2h weapon with my 1900 conquest point as first item?
azure willow
not worth imo
dark topaz
i mean i'll keep it for a while cause 450 but yeah i thought so too
i don't even know if i'm playing arms or fury yet, 1st time logging since the arms nerf
haughty panther
are people swapping out of skullsplitter? It still seems worth it for the rage to dump into ignore pain
mild thunder
if you're rage-starved as arms in 2023, you're playing wrong
haughty panther
can you answer my question or are you just gonna hide behind meaningless all encompising statements?
mild thunder
im gonna hide behind meaningless all-encompassing statements
haughty panther
coolio
woven mural
what build are folk playing now?
haughty panther
nobody knows
azure willow
Can someone link me embelishement on the helm
why the fuck u cant read ingame what its doing
tulip trail
Would also love to know what build to run after the arms nerf, cant even oneshot ppl with the skullsplitter build no more 😦
craggy geyser
don't even know if it's worth
Tier helm don’t think it’s worth
hot solstice
Ppl wanna find a reason to not play sks cause it’s not comfortable button to press… cmon, just get used to it, it is still strong
bright warren
why do people in bgs randomly scatter shot/blind dying enemies?
Panic mayb
vapid tartan
nobody knows
It’s literally 2 days after the changes
vapid tartan
don't even know if it's worth
Def good choice unless you got a reg conq helm or wep. tier helm does seem to be the worst piece but it’s still 450 and you can finish 2p with token now
umbral bobcat
As fury what tier sets do I make ?
vapid tartan
are people swapping out of skullsplitter? It still seems worth it for the rage t...
So in actual combat you aren’t really rage starved, if you are I’d suggest touching up rotation a bit. Main reason to drop sks would be bc of damage nerfs
oblique patrol
As fury what tier sets do I make ?
Chest/Shoulders first for 2set
vapid tartan
As fury what tier sets do I make ?
Everything but helm
umbral bobcat
Everything but helm
Ok
vapid tartan
but secondary stats on 1 piece aren’t gonna make a difference so even if you get it in vault your fine, we still hit above 30% vers easy
golden cypress
Lads the infurious helm is crit vers, can we not use a missive to get that to mastery verse? I’m fuckin lost with these crafts nowadays
elfin surge
@mild thunder @spice hornet what we crafting
visual river
infurious gear are fixed stats
frosty nexus
is fury that much better than arms rn?
oblique patrol
From playing both, rn fury feels more enjoyable in such a wizard dense meta - but ofcourse depending on your rating and what you are doing, you can play whichever you like, they both have advantages and disadvantages
dark topaz
Def good choice unless you got a reg conq helm or wep. tier helm does seem to be...
yeah my thoughts exactly
oblique patrol
<@589020053748449300> <@160879799672373248> what we crafting
Iv tested 2 rn, the Shadowflame Tempered Armour Patch one and Blue Lining - the Patch was like 1-2% ST damage which felt awful, however if we play fury i think 380 extra mastery above 90% feels a bit better
Has anyone tested the Slow one and knows if thats any good?
vapid tartan
Iv tested 2 rn, the Shadowflame Tempered Armour Patch one and Blue Lining - the ...
Have you been tracking blue lining uptime %? Curious to see what that looks like
oblique patrol
Have you been tracking blue lining uptime %? Curious to see what that looks like
It varies alot, if you are kill target ofc it wont look great, but if not then its pretty high
vapid tartan
Yeah, maybe later in season with more sparks we could be swapping it in if we have a caster teammate or someone we know is gonna be kt in shuffle
oblique patrol
But if you are kill target you probably would swap it out for the crit helm or a regular helm with the Spike/Slow embellish
mild thunder
<@589020053748449300> <@160879799672373248> what we crafting
crafting you some bitches so you can get some
elfin surge
crafting you some bitches so you can get some
oblique patrol
380mastery on fury atleast is like 3% extra mastery, with enrage being really high uptime it didnt feel too bad to play - in reality embellishments are going to change regardless so i think using our free 450 trophy on a helm craft is the best value you can get and just test embellishments that look fun to you
vapid tartan
Iv tested 2 rn, the Shadowflame Tempered Armour Patch one and Blue Lining - the ...
Tbf it seems like all the second options are around 1-2%, iirc infurious helm was doing about 0.7% last season
onyx marlin
bro i feel like fucking john wick when i enter triple caster lobbys, need to play perfectly to win xd
vapid tartan
Heard gathering storm was underwhelming but not sure what % it’s doing
onyx marlin
i just crafted bleed helmet, season is long enough to reconsider crafting another piece
vapid tartan
Wow that’s nice were you kill target?
oblique patrol
Tbf it seems like all the second options are around 1-2%, iirc infurious helm wa...
They are all quite minor from what we can tell - tier helm has the worst stats for us, and we have a free trophy to craft a item on Helm/Chest/Legs at 450 - honestly i think using that trophy is just the best option to keep ahead of the gear curve and slap whatever embellish you like in, you can always recraft and change it later
onyx marlin
Wow that’s nice were you kill target?
no
dmg isnt that bad, 9k per tick average normal, 12 crit
vapid tartan
Has it been around 3.3 in all games?
vapid tartan
Damn that looks nicer than other options, only downside is takin crit on the infurious helm huh
onyx marlin
Damn that looks nicer than other options, only downside is takin crit on the in...
yeah
visual river
Ooh looking at leaderboards on Murkok.io definitely seeing some crafted molten helms. Some with determination, some with shadowflame armor patch
vapid tartan
Ooh looking at leaderboards on Murkok.io definitely seeing some crafted molten h...
What is determination?
oblique patrol
Ooh looking at leaderboards on Murkok.io definitely seeing some crafted molten h...
Think its mostly testing, like i said helm is probs the best value craft we can take right now, so it gives you freedom to test stuff
visual river
The gathering storm one how you get 1 stack of determination every second you’re snared that stacks 1.7k damage next time you melee swing
visual river
I see one fury warrior rocking the double shadowflame wreath as well as the shadowflame armor patch on helm hahaha
vapid tartan
Oh I heard determination and I was like damn did I forget an embellish lmao
visual river
Yea in terms of gear curve not a bad idea to make the molten helms right now, toss up between shadowflame armor patch or the gathering storm
If you rbg then maybe the infurious helm
vapid tartan
Yeah idk say you eat a 6s root, 10.2k dmg on next aa doesn’t seem like much
visual river
It’s not just roots it’s slow as well
Hamstring , howl, ensnaring traps
Crippling poison
vapid tartan
True, guess once we see more helm being used we’ll get more accurate numbers to decide
visual river
The warriors running determination (gathering storm) are running sophic mainhand and wafting offhand for the bonus 3% move speed
vapid tartan
How does that work? So if you had 2x sophic you have 2x chance to proc it?
visual river
Yes, overall higher uptime
vapid tartan
Ah okay so with going two diff enchants you’re getting the same buff uptime just alternating effects?
visual river
I have about 47% uptime for offhand sophic right now, also have 60% uptime on shadowflame wreath but the damage is like fucking 3% of overall wtf
I’m kinda tempted to go double shadowflame wreath and then molten helm with shadowflame armor patch
vapid tartan
Sounds like a lotta gold lol
visual river
Maybe about another 80k
I already had a shadowflame wreath gifted to me by a guildie
vapid tartan
Think they were like 40k last I checked, saw they were like a 7% dmg increase when using 2x?
visual river
I wonder if it procs independently
Right now it just refreshes the dot duration it doesn’t stack
vapid tartan
Yeah, idk how to compare the numbers from Sophic
visual river
Refreshes back to 12, it doesn’t even do that pandemic thing how it adds extra 4-6 seconds
vapid tartan
Sophic doesn’t show up in details damage done since the str just amps our other abilities rifht?
vapid tartan
It’ll fall off a bit once we hit conq since str scales better right?
visual river
Sophic is 900str? That’s +900 damage on all abilities you press, gcd is 1.5s divide that by uptime over the length of the fight and that’s your damage increase
vapid tartan
I’ll try doin those numbers next session
Think it’s like 950 or something? But yeah around that
visual river
Say a match is 2minutes, 45% uptime is 54seconds divide by 1.5s gcd is 36 * 950str damage = 34,299 raw damage before vers or crit s
Interesting …. That’s like 1-2% at most lol
Shadowflame wreath is 3-4% atm
vapid tartan
hmm yeah, think I’ll hold onto my gold xd
visual river
I think I’m gonna commit to double shadowflame wreath and shadowflame armor patch tmr on helm kek
Yep, proactive damage vs reactive
Plus added bonus of forcing mastery vers instead of bottlenecked into crit vers
But I guess helm has a chance to proc on multiple targets touching you though ,m
Well reck gives you like 20% as well I’m sitting on base 5% right now haha, bonus 10% from tier on rampage
Some more later with tier pants
Nice
fast yacht
do i need disarm for survival hunters?