pvp

[teal hedge]

Y'know what? My earlier response was such a redditor-response, my bad.

[dark sparrow]

@fathom loom

hmm weird it doesnt go to right post, anyway mud posted an sks oneshot from end last season where he pretty much 80-0 someone in an sks

[fathom loom]

I see it. Impressive. I've been unable to replicate that ...

[dark sparrow]

its with enhance BL + PI + badge + orc racial etc

[fathom loom]

Oh okay. I mainly do shuffle. Not sure SKS is the shit in shuffle

[frosty nexus]

felt really nice for me in shuffle

dunno how itll be post nerf tho

[fathom loom]

There's a nerf coming?

[teal hedge]

Oh my fucking god

I lost to mage being .1 metres outside of melee range

[dark sparrow]

the nerf just happened with this reset so chances are we swap off of sks

[frosty nexus]

Warrior
Arms
Developers’ notes: We feel Arms Warrior’s burst window has been more effective than we would like in PvP. We’re shifting their damage profile slightly to increase their consistent pressure but decrease their burst damage.
[With weekly restarts] Sharpen Blade cooldown increased to 30 seconds and duration decreased by 2 seconds.
[With weekly restarts] Skullsplitter now causes expired bleeds to deal 65% damage (was 100%) in PvP Combat.
[With weekly restarts] Deep Wounds damage increased by 15% in PvP Combat.
[With weekly restarts] Rend no longer deals 15% reduced damage in PvP Combat.
[With weekly restarts] Fueled by Violence now heals for 70% (was 85%) of damage dealt by Deep Wounds in PvP Combat.

today

[fathom loom]

Holy shit didnt see that

Maybe we'll go for a more balanced stat prio then

Whats the alternative build to SKS tho

[teal hedge]

I mean, just dropping sks and going full-bleed again

[iron fractal]

No more sks?

[dark sparrow]

"more effective" is so cap knowing that a single sks does less dmg than 1 chaos bolt

[teal hedge]

What's with the damage from fire mage???

[dark sparrow]

bug

[iron fractal]

Ignite is bugged.

So they're exploiting it.

[teal hedge]

Oh fr?

[dark sparrow]

yea just scroll up and you'll see a pic of it being broken every couple screens

[visual river]

80% of their damage is pretty broken, haven’t queued any games yet in case get scuffed by it

[teal hedge]

We still got him though

He's so bad.

[frosty nexus]

my warlock has literally 71% winrate in solo shuffle

easiest fuckin rating of my life

[iron fractal]

What's the full bleed build that doesnt use SKS?

[teal hedge]

I used to have it, lemme send a screenie.

Though it doesn't have shockwave.

Or thunder clap

[iron fractal]

Ah, so you improve execute instead of SKS

[agile forge]

Do i go for haste ring or insignia trinket from vault? on fury

trinket right?

[river walrus]

Trinket

Extra damage

[fathom loom]

I feel stronger using crit, when I'm not SKS

Also feel like my Executes are really important

[lethal sandal]

i did it finally. and i took me only 415 rounds where last season it took me 1111 rounds as fury.

[gaunt notch]

nice man, congrats

[visual river]

grats man!

Looking at solo queue top 50 fury warrs, a small percentage is running shadowflame patch WAIST as their second embellishment I think that's really clever because the helm slot is already Vers Mastery, waist slot has haste or crit+vers so running crafted piece gives us even more mastery

It increases our overall damage output and is better than the infurious helm which is reactive damage

problem is you need a second trophy of conquest since it shares waist and feet

[nimble forge]

415 rounds and 1111 rounds wow, what u do in que time? i go and fly around search for my mining profession, but this looks so long for this waiting times

[gaunt notch]

wish i knew how baller fury warrior was in pvp before i bought the other weapon.. ah well

[fathom loom]

idk man

I havent met a dominating fury war in shuffle yet

They seem worse or on par with arms

1500 shuffle tho

[gaunt notch]

im also used to fury a lot more than arms so it easier for me to play

[fathom loom]

It's always nice when you dont feel forced into a certain spec of your fav class

[visual river]

fly and do the dragonracing wq, mine, herb, watch netflix lol

30min queues suck

[lethal sandal]

clean the apartment, do some push ups, do laundy, watch some netflix

[nimble forge]

😂👍

[fast yacht]

anyone got the fury pvp go-to build?

[gaunt notch]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle/warrior/fury

any of them really

[craggy geyser]

Copy muds

[gaunt notch]

hard crash while in a solo queue match

F

[visual river]

aw..

[craggy geyser]

And you probably waiting 45 mins for a q

Lol

[gaunt notch]

got back in but lost a round

[fast yacht]

do i ever use slam?

[muted surge]

Fury arms?

[fast yacht]

both

want to know for both

[gaunt notch]

only if specced into storm of swords for fury

[fast yacht]

i see

priortize that over bloodbath?

bloodbath still seem to deal more dmg and generates more rage than slam tho

[gaunt notch]

no, it would be filler if you cant bloodbath or rampage

[indigo barn]

How hard is the SF patch hitting for?

[visual river]

not sure tbh

[river walrus]

I don't even have slam on my keybinds, it's so useless lol

[hexed pier]

i got this in my vault and i'm arms, should i take it, even its mastery?

bracers would be option 2

[visual river]

450wep > anything week 2

[river walrus]

Yeah, weapon is important

Just take it

[frail badge]

i got 2 set tier from vault an not conq weapon yet

if i am not sure to commit to fury or arms, should i buy the haste or mastery weapon iyo?

[river walrus]

Haste, although Mud is doing full mastery lol

[frail badge]

ok thanks

[daring dew]

u guys still run skull splitter?

[graceful ginkgo]

which tier item is arms not taking this season?

shoulders i guess (?)

[daring dew]

helm mby?

[undone pumice]

the bad one

[graceful ginkgo]

yes, i need you to figure out for me which one that is

[undone pumice]

the one that is bad

[hexed pier]

what should i buy then this week, i planed to get a weap but now i got it from vault (arms)

[dark sparrow]

Gear, but avoid/delay the slots we get tier in

So neck, wrist/waist/cloak and all that stuff

[hexed pier]

btw, what are the current go to embellishments one want to go for in rbgs?

i'll take neck and ring, because you those slots are not provided by life of spark gear

[visual river]

Fury ignores helm for tier
Arms not sure if you’re going 4 set or 2 set only , but pants are weakest tier piece from memory

[graceful ginkgo]

legs are crit/vers

[fathom loom]

quickly nerfs skullsplitter, ignores ignite bug

[hexed pier]

for RBGs i took the embellishment helm last season

but idk if its any good this season

[visual river]

It’s a solid choice , for the occasion

[dark sparrow]

i would just not bother with second atm, helm bonus is pretty garbo

[craggy geyser]

I have Helm / Boots

[dark sparrow]

was already mid last season

[craggy geyser]

I crafted helm on mistake week 1 but panned out to not be so bad

Since tier helm is ass

[hexed pier]

first emb are the boots i assume?

[dark sparrow]

yes boots are good

[agile aspen]

I just recrafted engi goggles this week second embellish is so underwhelming this season

[visual river]

Infurious Boots is a must imo, even better for fury since mastery

Infurious helm is great for rbg, I’m curious about shadow flame patch waist or helm for arenas how much it could do

Unfortunately not viable right now for waist since the trophy is shared with boots and it costs 750conq
Something on the back burner maybe unless you buy the honor trophy version and make 437

[agile aspen]

boots are crazy for sure

[visual river]

Conq helm already gives mastery vers, waist gives haste vers but we can force crafted mastery vers with shadow flame patch and net gain some more mastery this way

[hot solstice]

@lusty kernel, what is the 2nd embelish for arms???

[vapid tartan]

Not really legs still have vers

Seems like you don’t take helm for 4p arms and fury

But it probably doesn’t matter too much at the end

[visual river]

Yea possibly then , depends if you value the crit + haste (helm) or crit + vers (legs)

[vapid tartan]

yeah i would think you want the min amount of non vers possible

[visual river]

Some people stacking as much haste as then can so yea it’s personal preference

[vapid tartan]

Yup def, I’m stacking more haste on arms for sure but on fury just going full mast vers and haste wherever I can’t get mast

[visual river]

That is definitely the plan lol

[vapid tartan]

Getting to second set of cds as fury feels so nice ngl

[visual river]

I am seeing scalewarden bracers on some of the top 50 fury builds for the mastery so I’m pretty happy about that, if I don’t get weapon in next weeks vault I’m definitely buying the scalewarden polearm to get 447 so I can focus conq on other gear

If you get that far it’s 90% win

I hold it until kill target is 40% Hp and when they stand next to another target just let it rip on both of them

[vapid tartan]

Yeah I ended up taking haste bracers from vault on my fury bc it was the only thing available

[craggy geyser]

Yeah good idea on your part you gave good advice there for me as well

[visual river]

❤️

[vapid tartan]

Upgraded cloak and belt, will be able to upgrade wpvp if no wep next vault

[hot solstice]

how to get this bard?

[subtle imp]

just tried some 2s, arms feels really bad now

or I'm just bad

either could be true

or both

[gaunt notch]

fury feels great to me though

[subtle imp]

yeah just did a game as fury, felt a lot better

but my arm is genuinely sore

[visual river]

Come to the dark side, one of us, one of us, one of us

[quartz raptor]

What’s the second embellishment for fury everyone is going with ? I know boots is one

[visual river]

We have an extra 2hander

Nothing is set in stone right now, hang on for further testing

[frail badge]

are there other embellishments other then infurious? in the crafting order menu i only see infurious but i keep seeing people mention others

[visual river]

Yea the molten helm or something , where you gotta pick you own stats, then embellishment , then add trophy to it

[boreal stone]

unbind it, its bad

[frail badge]

oh, did i screw up then? i already made both infurious boots and helm

[subtle imp]

@visual river is the onslaught guild all the rage atm? or just standard annihilator stuff

[visual river]

No no you did not, they are good selections

[frail badge]

ok thanks

[subtle imp]

build*, not guild

[boreal stone]

both builds are good, ive played both. Annihilator is less fun but better survivability

[visual river]

Imo.
RBG go infurious helm and infurious boots
Arena maaaybe suggest the shadow flame patch waist or helm

Waist to min max mastery, helm to swap out infurious helm Same easy slot

Personal preference

[boreal stone]

Infruious helm isnt worth taking, u lose more dmg with the missing mastery than ur helm would do dmg in total I think

[visual river]

Currently with 2 set anni build
With 4 set it seeeeems you should do raging blow build

Unfortunately that means sacrificing the sustain for more dps

[frail badge]

well it wont be while before i can afford a trophy for the shadow flame stuff as replacing my honor gear with conq is priority as i have both infurious already imo

[visual river]

In that case I can suggest the shadow flame patch helm or belt as mentioned

I suggest belt because conq helm also gives mastery already

[frail badge]

do you make the shadow flame stuff with the crafting order stuff? i could not find it as an option

[visual river]

I’d suggest wowhead sorry

[frail badge]

ok thanks

[visual river]

Shadowflame-Tempered Armor Patch

You should be able to buy it from AH

Then you gotta crafting order to make the actual piece with spark and trophy

[frail badge]

ok thanks i found it on wow head

[fathom loom]

I'm so terrible. No fcking dmg

[visual river]

You will Get better with more play man keep it up

Take some time off rated with casual bg to practice rotations snd survivability

Less pressure more fun

[frail badge]

accroding to this, locks and spriest have higher winrate and do a shit ton more damge then us

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/13hphmg/scatter_plot_of_win_and_rating_per_match_source/

[quasi zephyr]

Going haste vers weapon since more vers than the other weapon ? Fury

[frail badge]

so dont think too much about that match

[visual river]

Mastery vers for both 2 handers ideal, if you got the bad stats from vault at least it is a 450 wep week 2

[gaunt notch]

solo queue popped just for someone not to show up inside ><

[visual river]

Haha hate that

Potato pc

See you in another 30mins

[gaunt notch]

in other news i have killed 12 spiders in the past week in my room, wtf

[dense lark]

Hey guys, we still using injurious boots/helm, or is there new craftables? Already upgraded my boots to 450, just wondering if I should do helm also

[fathom loom]

haha thanks. Must feel so easy for them!

[visual river]

As mentioned above, hold out second embellishment until further testing is done, only week 2

(But if you do rbg then helm is fine to upgrade too)

[frail badge]

fury is so much better and easier to do good and win as imo for solo so far

back in bfa i was told fury was for 2s and arms for 3s, solo is pretty much like 2s in that you cant rely on others as much and the extra survivability of fury is clutch along with the damage

so many times as arms i would have to go in d stance and just turtle and run

hardly ever use d stance as fury so far

[idle falcon]

yessir

lol i got 500 rating and went up to combatant 2 immedietly

was 750

[dark sparrow]

I noticed that you can bug out the shuffle every time if you wait for the timer to hit 1 second and than accept q > load in

[fathom loom]

Progress

[idle falcon]

pog

[warped warren]

[obsidian loom]

Meirl

[subtle imp]

@visual river does fury balance haste and mastery or go balls to the wall mastery?

[dense lark]

Kind of wondering the same, see people stacking mastery. Was hoping I could freely swap between arms/fury without swapping gear

[subtle imp]

Yeah, but murlok.io shows a mix

so a bit confused

[visual river]

All into mastery where you can to max out damage when enraged , haste on some off pieces that can’t have mastery

[subtle imp]

ty

[idle falcon]

mastery = more angry

haste = faster anger

[visual river]

Each mastery % is equivalent to extra damage when enraged so yea, you’d want it as high as possible. Due to anni build being heavy sustain you dump all excess vers above 30% into mastery

[idle falcon]

did they nerf solo shuffle conquest winnings and buff 2v2 and 3v3 conquest winnings?

[fathom loom]

Pin says Strength>Versatility>Mastery=Haste>Critical Strike

[fathom loom]

Yes

[idle falcon]

cool

oooh 1 min queue

ez

[mint pulsar]

anyone with raging blow-build experience? feels like i have so many raging blow stacks that keep reseting, dont know what to prioritize, is it rampage > bloodthirs > RB or RB over bloodthirst?

[idle falcon]

Rampage > RB > Onslaught > BT

[primal cosmos]

For arms Im rolling the dice on Mastery crit build (mainly play rbgs) so I’m passing on the hands for tier.

[mint pulsar]

❤️

[subtle imp]

where does execute fit into that?

I'm a fury virgin sorry

[visual river]

Whenever it procs, it’s free to cast and generates rage for rampage

Just rolling in rbg as fury atm instead of arms , enjoying the 4-6 man avatar reck roar, someone dies instantly lol

[idle falcon]

how did i get 86 rating from winning 1 round

explain

[visual river]

Your cr is severely lower than the mmr

[idle falcon]

what is mmr?

[visual river]

Even if you do 1-5 at 0 rating you’d gain around 90 rating

[idle falcon]

does it have to do with season 1?

[visual river]

No

You typically start at around 1600 mmr it’s the games perceived matchmaking value assigned for others in the group with you

[idle falcon]

i was 1300 and was against people 1800

is that why

[visual river]

So until you get to 1600 you will gain even if you did poorly but as you continue to lose your mmr will dip lower until it is closer to your cr

[idle falcon]

oh

what is CR

[visual river]

Cr is your current rating (so 1300)

[idle falcon]

oh

no my current rating rn is 1425

[visual river]

Apologies

[idle falcon]

xD

<3

i need to study

but pvp

xD

i have raid night starting 8 pm server time aswell

[visual river]

But yea eventually you will get to a point where your current rating matches your match making rating , then you need 4/6 to gain any rating or 3/6 to maintain

[idle falcon]

so 4:40 hours till raid night

i will study for an hour and come back to some more PvP hehe

[visual river]

Nice , take it easy

[idle falcon]

btw i started PvP last season and i was able to get rival 1 xD

[visual river]

That’s really good

[idle falcon]

first season PvP ever

although my sanity was depleted

[visual river]

You will improve over time as you familiarize your class better

[idle falcon]

its warrior, what is there more to know than press BT and rampage XD

[steep inlet]

got 2900 in df s1, and now with all those scrit nerf and arms i dont even wanna go agane

i played some games at 2k mmr, felt giga shit vs boomy lock hunter

i dont even wanna log warrior anymore

my beloved

[idle falcon]

play fury

[craggy geyser]

How to handle other comps really

[idle falcon]

ah

[visual river]

Perhaps a little break until later in the season with some rebalancing

[idle falcon]

i dont really hate a specific class

just the player playing the class

[craggy geyser]

Fury is fun AF

[steep inlet]

dunno i'm a arms player..

[craggy geyser]

Especially when you make it to 2nd CD and blow someone’s face off

[idle falcon]

cause if he's a veteran PvP'er and knows his class i have a hard time

[visual river]

Yea you will see specific classes and know instantly what talents to swap out for the occasion , typically wrecking throws for warlocks or disarms against pallies, etc

[gaunt notch]

Fury feels like it will get nerfed

[steep inlet]

fury is that cool ?

it is same gameplay as SL ?

[idle falcon]

no

better

[craggy geyser]

Nahhhh

They gotta nerf lock and enhance first lol

[idle falcon]

yeah

fury isn't OP

[visual river]

It’s easier right now , less buttons, can focus on surroundings instead of actual rotation lol

[idle falcon]

its fun and easy to pick up to like 2000-ish

[craggy geyser]

Arms had 46 keybinds fucking stupid

[steep inlet]

maybe will give a try

[gaunt notch]

Its the sweaty vs singing laid back meme

[steep inlet]

they butchered my arms

[idle falcon]

bring back Legion Arms

and second wind MoP

[visual river]

I’d probably consider arms again if big crit spears came back haha that looks fun

[gaunt notch]

Also spider kill count for the past week the n my room is up to 13

[idle falcon]

bro

[visual river]

You need to hire a pest controller that’s kinda scary

[idle falcon]

burn the room

[visual river]

Had a huntsman surprise me yesterday when I was about to get back into my car, it was walking a bit fucked up and only had 5 legs but was still wtf when I saw it

[idle falcon]

bro

move

go to egypt

[idle falcon]

no spiders here

[gaunt notch]

Thankfully they aren't that big maybe the size of a dime

[idle falcon]

except baby ones

[gaunt notch]

Last one was a quarter though

[visual river]

This fucker’s body was bigger than a quarter

[idle falcon]

i challenged 2 of my friends last season to a 1v1 cause they said fury warrior is lame

won both of them

one a hunter the other an arms warrior

[visual river]

Yea fury sustain is really nice right now, can see the panic when they realize they fucked up

[idle falcon]

can't wait till i gear up full PvP gear and get set pieces aswell

[visual river]

I was alt tabbed and heard something attacking me, came back at 50% hp this arms warrior pummeling me, wipes the floor with him

[undone pumice]

im gonna arm your butchers

[idle falcon]

guys

i went to the gym today for the first time ever

im 113 kg

time to get fit

should i make a before and after photo transformation

and send it here

:D

[visual river]

👌

[undone pumice]

lets go son

when you feel sore as hell in 2 days is when the fun begins

[visual river]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-murphy-nutty-hercules-clapping-hands-gif-12414563

[dark sparrow]

Make sure to regularly post bench progress in here

[craggy geyser]

Lmfao

[quaint ruin]

u cant turn gear into tier yet? So the only chance to have 2set rn is if ur the luckiest person alive with vault loot?

[dark sparrow]

yep, catalyst opens week 6, so 4 more weeks

[stark reef]

Gear curve in pvp

Whyyyyy

[quaint ruin]

lol thats just amazing

why even give a tier piece at 1600 then

cucks

[dark sparrow]

I mean tier this season won't make or break anything

much less impactfull than last season

[stark reef]

Ofc it will

[dark sparrow]

nah thats hard cope

[teal hedge]

One of my closest friends went to Egypt

[stark reef]

If you’re in a lobby with someone that has gear advantage you’re at a disadvantage

Doesn’t matter if it’s 2%, 5%, 10%

It’s not cope, it’s math

[dark sparrow]

just be a better player than

[teal hedge]

He wrote in the gc every time he spotted Bedouin-arabs.

[stark reef]

Just be a better player 4head

Just win bro

[teal hedge]

I had push day today

[dark sparrow]

I mean, yea

[teal hedge]

Started with military press instead of the bench

And now I don't feel anything in my pecs but my shoulders and upper-back are on fire.

[dark sparrow]

the feeling of progress my man

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I just wish I went harder on my pecs.

Gotta make my form in the bench better.

I bring my shoulders together, arch my back

[dark sparrow]

Practice makes perfect

[opal acorn]

what is the vault prio? 2pc>weapon>rest?

[dark sparrow]

ima start hitting the gym again next month after not being in one for couple of years so I will just go chill at start to hold proper form and go hard from there

[dark sparrow]

weapon above all

[opal acorn]

aha

[obsidian loom]

Form over weight, plateaus will happen, supplements are memes, consistency wins the war, find a lifting partner to keep you honest

t. 20 years of lifting experience

[opal acorn]

and we cant convert any piece to tier yet, our only chance is vault?

[obsidian loom]

You can hit 1600cr and acquire a tier piece

You'll get a token to trade for some npc in the underground

[opal acorn]

apart from that

[obsidian loom]

Just vault

I have 2 pc on my warrior but not on ret

[opal acorn]

meh

[obsidian loom]

If you didn't get shoulders in vault, use tier piece for that

[opal acorn]

i got shoulders but they were nto tier

[obsidian loom]

Take them and convert it in a month

[opal acorn]

so i got the weapon

[obsidian loom]

Oh if you had a weapon take that for sure

I'm using token weapon

And conq

[opal acorn]

ye but i wanted to understand how tier works. so potentially no tier set if unlucky

[obsidian loom]

Yeah

But it's week 2 and tier sets won't make or break your performance

[opal acorn]

also, is the world pvp 2set worth?

[obsidian loom]

Not active in arena

[rotund trellis]

upgraded with the currency or base?

[obsidian loom]

I upgraded

Idgaf about 3 ilvl

[mild thunder]

[rotund trellis]

I was about to, then I stopped as I may be in the position where upgrading 2 smaller pieces may give me more stats

[rotund trellis]

and what conquest wep did you buy? haste or mastery?

[obsidian loom]

I don't think about these things too deeply

I don't think it matters so much

[dark sparrow]

Yea this guy wasn't around in SL and other seasons to understand real "gear advantage" lmao

[obsidian loom]

Me feeding precog to the hero class destro is more detrimental

[dark sparrow]

yup getting hit for 150k+ chaos bolts feels so good

[stark reef]

You don’t even play the game bruv

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Jubei'Thos/Galachad

Look at your pins mate, nobody plays those builds

You just made up random stuff and pinned it

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/narc-copium-spoon-gif-23613894

[stark reef]

I’m sure raging blow goes hard at 280 rating

Those stay at home moms really don’t see it coming

[mild thunder]

werent you soyjacking to my onslaught build the other day?

[stark reef]

I played it last season

[mild thunder]

[stark reef]

That was 2 months ago

And then changed it once I realized it has no sustain

Which I explained to you but you’re to busy being stuck at 280 playing smite

[ruby temple]

Smite has vtubers that ain't an insult anymore.

[obsidian loom]

I mean you're factually at a damage disadvantage with the optimal gear but I just wait till mud tells me the build and gearset

Week 2 is irrelevant

[stark reef]

I’m not in a rush, myself. It’s just the vault RNG that’s wack

[obsidian loom]

Blizzards going to thermonuke fury if it gets even close to s tier because it's caster meta season on the carrousel

Next season will be RMP and augvoker meta

[mild thunder]

promotionals with our actual content creators? nah, vtubers

[ruby temple]

Well after what they did to punkduck and the others we've heard about....I'm fine with them leaving the content creators alone

[mild thunder]

tbf that was agess ago, if they wanna continue to encourage some of the really good creators they have and keep them around they need to engage with them

esp with all the drama that smite has had... punkduck/myth, dmbrandon, weak3n/incon drama etc.

bringing it together would go a long way

[ruby temple]

Are they able to drop a patch and not need to disable the Morrigan yet?

[mild thunder]

no

game has had a lot of bad changes over the years ngl

[spice hornet]

[dark sparrow]

the nr1 fury on ladder is playing RB build tho

[spice hornet]

@mild thunder what’s goin on in here

[dark sparrow]

in 3's

[stark reef]

Can you link?

Could see it if you have a pocket healer

But nobody on solo ladder plays it

I tried it, you have more dam, no sustain, immediately in dstance and then piñata for the rest of the rounds

[fathom loom]

Improving

[mental knoll]

what crafted helm do you guys think is better for solo shuffle?

[craggy geyser]

Hahahaha

[craggy geyser]

Primal? Maybe??

[mental knoll]

yeh i figured the equip affect is situational on comps but primal at least lets you choose preferred stats

[ruby temple]

I think you're getting jebaited

[stark reef]

3s more inflated than solo atm?

[craggy geyser]

Idk which is best there I think the haste is better than crit

[frosty nexus]

what if my gym is in my garage

no lifting partner

[fast yacht]

yo, as a fury+fistweaver, how do we deal with frost mage comps?

[onyx marlin]

./afk

[rotund trellis]

kill the mage

[fiery marsh]

guys, I see a lot of fury wars going for haste, isnt mastery better?

[stark reef]

mastery

The bloody token/spark of life gear actually is quite good

Time to farm even more shit

And yeah, that primal molten greatbelt looks like a juicer - prob making that

That's an extra 500+ mastery above 90% health

[dark sparrow]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/thiccyb

[stark reef]

Yeah, saw it - only top player with it I’ve seen and in 3s

Not trusting that

Probably doable if team plays around it

But solo you’re getting carted out the shop

[dark sparrow]

I think he is playing turbo with Saul so also has that shaman offheals etc but yea in mongo shuffle it might play different

[stark reef]

Shuffle has less inflation than 3s and 95% of people above 2k are glads

This channel just hasn’t caught up - shuffle is the real bracket

[dark sparrow]

[fast yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JIX0RkFKvM

is this accurate lol

is fury that bad?

[stark reef]

Literally played against a mage last night that was 3k in 3s last season and glad since legion

[dark sparrow]

don't think its less inflated per se, the r1 people are just cba with shuffle and q'd 3s insta

[rotund trellis]

bad? It's ranked A tier how's that bad

[dark sparrow]

supatease & shit take tier lists, name a more iconic duo

[fast yacht]

lol

[stark reef]

My current shuffle opponents

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Kel'Thuzad/Maxvila

But yeah, shuffle just has shitters

Clapped this guy the lobby after

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Stormrage/Vyll

[dark sparrow]

Where did i ever say that?

I said It's a shit bracket

[stark reef]

This channel tells me that since I joined

[dark sparrow]

Weird, I am on this channel since long before you joined never really seen that statement before

[stark reef]

“3s is the real pvp”

[dark sparrow]

well yes

that is true and real

[stark reef]

“Shuffle doesn’t count.”

“Good players don’t play shuffle”

[stark reef]

[lean burrow]

is it maldiva wannabe or the real one?

[stark reef]

Looks pretty real to me

He went 6/0, close rounds but very well played

3min rounds vs boomy, ww, fury

[dark sparrow]

still nothing about just having shitters, just that last season was first "real" start of shuffle had people wanting to play it more

[dark sparrow]

maldiva only plays lock iirc

[stark reef]

I don’t know the players, I just look up their stats after game

[stark reef]

You’re not as extreme but if you read this channel a lot you’d think 2k shuffle is 1.4k 3s

[lean burrow]

is it not?

[stark reef]

Lmao

[lean burrow]

[stark reef]

I mean glad itself isn’t r1 so there’s that

I think rating right now between the brackets

2k = 2k = 2k

Assuming you’re not teaming up with literally cans in 2s and 3s

[south kestrel]

how do i get 15 rating for 4 wins

wtf did they do to shuffle lol

[fast yacht]

how do i track whether my focus is targetting me or my teamate?

[stark reef]

Deflated it

[south kestrel]

guess ill try again in a few weeks lol

aint waitng 30mins to get 15 rating

[fathom loom]

✊

[south kestrel]

wtf?

[fathom loom]

1800 may take awhile for me.

[south kestrel]

yeah thats what im going for lol

[stark reef]

It all depends on your competition and their mmr

[south kestrel]

my game was even mmr at 1600

and got 15, sound right?

for 4 wins

[fast yacht]

anyone know?

[stark reef]

If you have high mmr and play with someone with low mmr your opponents will be in the middle and you will gain little rating for winning

[stark reef]

If you consistently win 4/2 your mmr will go up fast and you will get more rating

If you go 4/2, 2/4 your mmr won’t move much and neither will your rating

[stark reef]

Shows on default UI under target of focus

[fast yacht]

err u mean default wow UI?

but i dont have a focus cast bar

i dont see one

[stark reef]

Idk about cast bar, I just know target itself

Double dps trinket getting more popular now

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/braxxínn

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/sandronb

[fast yacht]

what is the most effective way to use spell reflect? i often cant identify whether the spell is on me or my teamate

[stark reef]

Use on CD unless you have to reflect game-deciding spells

First 2 rounds just send, if you notice a Druid being extra smart and trying to clone you, adjust

[fast yacht]

hmmm how do i know whether the clone is on me or not tho,... target of focus unitframe?

[stark reef]

You know because of game state

Are they training your team-mate and your healer is going in and out of Los? Guess who’s getting cloned

[fast yacht]

i see

[limber relic]

best embelishment rn?

[stark reef]

Boots are safe upgrade

[limber relic]

got them

[stark reef]

Belt looks very promising

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/ttvdjrio

[limber relic]

but my issue rn is, i got helm tier piece from vault,

[stark reef]

No helm

Belt - conq belt has no mastery and this has mastery + mastery proc

[limber relic]

i already bought belt with trophy

[stark reef]

[limber relic]

bought them last week

[stark reef]

That’s the price of rushing upgrades before there is a meta

[limber relic]

but idk if that embelishment is the best one tbh

but im not sure

[stark reef]

Neither am I but it looks great and covers a weak slot

[limber relic]

i might just craft legs

with the root embelishment

[stark reef]

Not seen legs on people

But whatever works

[limber relic]

yeah, people get helm cuz

in the end

helm tier piece will be the one piece that u wont get

since it has the worst stats

[stark reef]

Doesn’t conq helm have mastery?

Just get that

[south kestrel]

2x 4/6s in a row still got 20

rip

[limber relic]

im stil gna try arms, but idk

[stark reef]

Oh, you’re arms

Nvm

[stark reef]

20 is normal

I get 24 or some stuff

[south kestrel]

used to be like 70

[stark reef]

Yeah, not happening anymore

[south kestrel]

bet if i lose ill lose 70

lol

[stark reef]

Ladder compressed

Nah

Unless you go 0/6

But 2/4 maybe 30pts

[limber relic]

hm

[south kestrel]

just seems shit considering how long queues are

[limber relic]

ill guess ill wait abit before crating my crafting item

[stark reef]

Why does it matter. It’s all % based

[limber relic]

so far ive got the 2 set bonus

[south kestrel]

well you can get 2s queue in like 1-2min and get the same rating

[dark sparrow]

Some are looking at the sporecloak possibly, it’s a 100k shield

[stark reef]

Yeah, heard that, to

But someone said might get nerfed?

[dark sparrow]

Idk, I just sit back and see what rest does. Cba theorycrafting that

[worthy fern]

Would be ridiculous to nerf that when precog and 500 main stat on cc exist

It’s far less powerful than either of those

Helm probably more valuable for plate

For mail wearers there is nothing

[dark sparrow]

Mail wearers already to broken anyway

[elfin surge]

what are people crafting

[dark sparrow]

Helm seems hella mid

[elfin surge]

boots and what

[dark sparrow]

[spice hornet]

Hey All, I came from partywaffles stream since he told me warrior is an easy class to play, any good streamers n builds you can recommend me? Mainly wpvp. plz n Ty

[elfin surge]

Hey All, I came from partywaffles stream since he told me warrior is an easy class to play, any good streamers n builds you can recommend me? Mainly wpvp. plz n Ty

[limber relic]

no noob

[runic wharf]

how to wpvp: get food buffs from valdrakken - join raid of like minded individuals - ??? - win

[ruby temple]

You guys can check out my stream..I do hot tub duel streams 11am EST through 1am EST

[dim swallow]

trying to get this answer aswell but I read all diffrent answers and cant decide, im a noob warr 🙂

[full raft]

What even are the options for helm embellishment? Aside from infurious helm

[river walrus]

Guys, do you press Avatar, reckless, dragon roar and odyns fury all at once foe giga burst damage or you guys prefer to split your damage in different goes. I am curious if it's worth for example just pressing recklessness for consistent damage and maybe bait cds

[sharp meteor]

I imagine it's generally ava/reck opener with roar and odyns immediately after to keep things kind of structured.

[sharp meteor]

Old reliable.

Man with sword.

[idle falcon]

xD

bro watch last 5 seconds

litterally slaps magic out of elfs hands

me when pummel

[quick carbon]

is everyone crafting boots again

[dim swallow]

yes looks like it, but i cant figure what the 2nd item is

[sharp meteor]

It seems like a fairly reasonable pick.

Stats are fine, more stats off charge is also fine.

Also you don't have to craft them, just recraft with like 5 alloys or something.

[quick carbon]

what ab helm brother duck?

[sharp meteor]

Other options include haste proc legs

Crit helm I'm the fence about

the proc is very high value, but idk how we're liking tier

or how valuable crit is

[quick carbon]

i put a biit of crit on

19/18 crithaste rn

and it still feels okay

[runic wharf]

is that new embellishment any good

the figurine of gathering storms

[sharp meteor]

Requires further testing.

Probably not, though.

[minor vector]

Nah its dogwater

Don’t waste your spark

[stark reef]

Are you running tenderize or titanic rage?

If tenderize: onslaught - everything

If titanic: everything

[stark reef]

Matersy belt w/ mastery proc looks interesting

[dim swallow]

but you have to spend the new craft right? 😄

new spark ofc sorry

[sharp meteor]

No, haven't crafted stuff on main yet.

[craggy geyser]

Boots and Helm right @visual river lol

[river walrus]

Thank you

[sharp meteor]

You do need a spark from this patch

along with the 450 ilev pvp item

[dim swallow]

Ok thx sir

[sharp meteor]

for any of the modern crafted pieces

[craggy geyser]

I crafted hell week 1… slight mistake turns out it wasn’t such a bad mistake after all

[sharp meteor]

boots are just a decent option

seeing a lot of people craft like actual random garbage just because they can

[fiery marsh]

guys whats the embellishments I need apart from the boots for fury?

[stark reef]

Conq helm has mastery - why are people crafting helm?

1% mastery is literally 1% more damage

[fiery marsh]

no good option except boots?

[stark reef]

Belt

[fiery marsh]

What's the name of the belt?

[quasi zephyr]

Where the arms chads at ?

[stark reef]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/ttvdjrio

[elfin surge]

ttvdjrio

[fiery marsh]

ty bro @stark reef

[dim swallow]

tooltip lied to me so wanted to make sure before i use the new spark.. @sharp meteor but all good now its crafted with the new spark and its 450. Big thank you! Ive played some but never understood this part

[fiery marsh]

Mud fury gear guide when

[sharp meteor]

The crafting system can be a little confusing at times

but I appreciate the extra customization

[elfin surge]

[fiery marsh]

nice can't buy another trophy of conquest because 2h weap costs 1800

great

[runic wharf]

what about the lariat, its nerfed in pvp right?

[craggy geyser]

I did it on mistake listened to someone lol

[stark reef]

Yeah, listen to random people on a discord do stupid shit - nothing new

If you can’t look at the leaderboards to see what people actually play you deserve whatever crap you’re being fed

[oblique patrol]

My theory rn is either the 90% mastery proc on a item or the Shadowflame-Tempered Armour Patch for the 2nd craft

[craggy geyser]

Funny enough, I did and it was when no one knew their ass from their elbow going into this patch. Not a horrible craft. It’ll just be replaced near last when I get the helm. Either way not mad about it. Not sure if you know but it is a game

[near delta]

It's such a tiny bonus while casters literally can't get ccd and get lust

Legit does like 25k damage if you wait 20 seconds for it to stack up

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, looked a little on the weak side.

[elfin surge]

gear and cr doesnt matter until last 2 weeks of the season

[sharp meteor]

If it's constantly refreshing or something then that might've been cool.

[sharp meteor]

Yep. Too many people fretting about having bis week 1. We're still in a theorycraft period of trying stuff out.

Don't be the guy who paid 120k for precog day one when it tanked to 5k a few days later.

Although I do appreciate said guy for funding my game time.

[near delta]

Lmao

[main crag]

So on arms should i go full mastery or haste? What weapon should i buy haste/ mast? In 1 week. I got only shit with crit in vault

[craggy geyser]

Amen, god forbid you craft something to try it. Roxi has a fucking melt down lmao

[stark reef]

It doesn’t matter but it clearly shows what works right now. Of course that can change any day now

[near delta]

I sniped a shadowflame for 20k last night

Gonna resell that bad boy

[quick carbon]

i miss crit

haste so boring

[sharp meteor]

No, not nessicarily. Top of the ladder could be playing some silly pick because that's what was cheap, convneient or just how they were feeling at the time. In general though people usually do make the conservative/reasonable pick early, though.

Like, boots might not be bis but I think they're a solid option right now.

[rotund trellis]

guys I can't wait to be done with work tonight so that I can log and press ONSLAUGHT

[sharp meteor]

If there's something better we just whip it up in a month.

[near delta]

Sks didn't become meta until like what last month of the season?

[sharp meteor]

Hoping that they unnerf Crushing Blow.

[craggy geyser]

People at the top are playing an entirely different game as well compared to a causal / semi casual player

[near delta]

I miss crushing blow charge so much

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[rotund trellis]

what about siegebreaker then

[near delta]

Literally unkitable by hunters

[stark reef]

Wow is a casual game

[craggy geyser]

Hahahaahah

[stark reef]

You think that’s a joke?

[craggy geyser]

When South Park makes a joke about the person behind the computer it’s deff not casual

[sharp meteor]

I mean depends on ones definition or interpretation. Obviously it's mega competitve like the huge pvp games and can be played fairly casually.

[stark reef]

The average WoW pro couldn’t play a single season professionally in a game like league or a shooter

[elfin surge]

The average WoW pro couldn’t play a single season professionally in a game like league or a shooter

🤓

[craggy geyser]

😂😂😂😂

[elfin surge]

no1 cares roxi

[sharp meteor]

I mean the avg wow player is the avg league player (they're both boomer games).

[stark reef]

You can mald all you want, facts are facts

Game is casual

[elfin surge]

all games are

[craggy geyser]

It’s a game roxi

[stark reef]

I’m sure you’re 200 viewers agree 🫡

[craggy geyser]

Calm down

[sharp meteor]

You are viewers?

[elfin surge]

👉😎👈

[elfin surge]

I am sure you are 200 viewers agree

[sharp meteor]

[craggy geyser]

Got HEEM

[sharp meteor]

The fool made a grammatical error smite him

[stark reef]

WoW pros are literally middle aged men. You see many of those in league?

[elfin surge]

🤓

[near delta]

What middle aged men? Lmao

Cdew is younger than me and he's ancient in the pro scene

[craggy geyser]

Roxi go become pro in league bro. You’re big brain eh?

[stark reef]

What?

[craggy geyser]

Why not go play and become pro in LoL?

[stark reef]

Because I’m a casual middle aged man?

[craggy geyser]

Oh so then go for WOW pro?

[stark reef]

I have a job, ty

[craggy geyser]

Ahhh

Casual*

[stark reef]

ofc I’m casual - I have a full time job, a wife and a shit-ton of stuff I have to do

I play ~2-3hrs/day

That’s extremely casual

[craggy geyser]

Same… add a baby to it. Maybe that’s why I crafted the helm. Lack of sleep due to baby? 😂

[stark reef]

[elfin surge]

u can be "pro" even with this

ur using it as an excuse

[oblique patrol]

Pretty sure the reason for that is because skill in wow can be made up mostly from game knowledge - if you play for a long time and put in the hours you will probably be good - its quite common in most areas of wow that the most skilled players are people that are older or put in the time to get good

[stark reef]

Amen

[oblique patrol]

Funnily enough with any competitive game, if you put in the time - you will be good, doesnt mean its easier to be a pro in wow or whatever

[stark reef]

You don’t need actual skills, it’s all knowledge based. League you can know what you want, if you don’t have the reaction speed of a Korean teenager you’ll get rekt

[stark reef]

That’s why it’s a casual game

[oblique patrol]

Your age doesnt dictate whether you can be good at a video game

Even in league, if you personally have slower reactions then thats a you issue - plenty of older people who can succeed at the highest level in all sorts of esports

[craggy geyser]

Bahahaha so true

[craggy geyser]

And sports in general…..

[stark reef]

Whilst technically true reality looks very different

[oblique patrol]

Reality is a 18 year old can quite easily throw 16 hours a day into a game and get good at it - maybe a 30 year old with a family cant, but doesnt mean that the games easier or harder, just means that person cant put the time in to be good at it

[near delta]

I guess one needs to really define what the meaning of pro is

[stark reef]

It’s also a brain space thing - spending that much energy on a game in your 30s just isn’t reasonable for almost anyone

[stark reef]

Pro means you’re getting paid to play

[near delta]

Like does that mean AWC competitor or like consistent R1, or just multi-glad

I mean the pros aren't really pros then lol

Blizz doesn't really pay much

[stark reef]

But they have orgs

[near delta]

The real money is in twitch

[stark reef]

They’re salaried

[near delta]

The best team in NA Kawhi went without a sponsor for almost 2 years

Won every tournament 4 years straight

[oblique patrol]

Look at CSGO then - some of the best pros are approaching their 30s, and that game requires quite fast reactions - its all about discipline and how much work you put into your game, nothing to do with age

[stark reef]

Yeah, game doesn’t attract legit sponsors

Because to casual

[runic wharf]

and a lil bit of adderall

[near delta]

Wow is a very niche audience compared to something like League or dota

[runic wharf]

i mean red bull

[near delta]

Partially cause it's really not good for a casual audience

It's the opposite

[oblique patrol]

Ironically wow isnt lacking sponsors due to it being casual - for outside viewers wow is a very complicated game to understand because of all the factors in place - thats more or less why viewership is low in comparison to other high end esports

Only people who watch wow are wow players

dont have to play CSGO to understand and watch that

[near delta]

Exactly.

[stark reef]

It’s because new players barely get to play pre solo shuffle. Without a team and without gear this game is inaccessible

[near delta]

I mean even without that

[stark reef]

So any good young player just goes elsewhere

[near delta]

You need to know what addons to get

[stark reef]

Exactly, stuff like that, to

[near delta]

What drs are, what cds people use, your own rotation, how to cc effectively, how to peel

That's the opposite of casual lol

[oblique patrol]

Thats a barrier to entry for the game itself, that still wouldnt fix viewership of tournaments and sponsors, the game is too complicated from a outside perspective to be enjoyable to watch

[near delta]

That's complicated af

[stark reef]

League viewership is mostly league players and ex league players

[near delta]

On top of all that, the graphics are super dated

[stark reef]

Most WoW players do not engage with pvp

[near delta]

I know a ton of people who watch league but don't play it

It's weird tho lol

[stark reef]

It’s a much better experience - I do the same

Played a ton a few years ago, now just watching the tourneys

It’s super fun to see it at the highest level tbh

[oblique patrol]

Its the idea of wow being a casual game that id disagree with - their is a plethora of technical aspects to both PvP and PvE, hence why not everyone is a AWC player or a RWF player - barrier to entry is hard for people who are entirely new to wow because you get flooded with sooo much information, other games are easier for people to just jump in and learn, he if anything - a game like league or csgo is more casual friendly because its easier to learn and get involved with

[near delta]

I remember when I was first getting into wow pvp I watched the awc, and it was like OG cloud 9 playing 20 minute games that go to 85% damp and was like what is this. Lol

[worthy fern]

If they just made the game more intuitive like putting in built in dr tracker, better name plates, etc

Would be more accessible

[near delta]

The amount that blizzard leeches off addon creators is insane tbh

[worthy fern]

Could even have a tutorial arena mode vs AI that tells you what these things are

[near delta]

Like even in pve

[worthy fern]

They have tutorial mode for everything else

[near delta]

It's cool to have the flexibility but it's insane the game is unplayable without them

[stark reef]

I have to specify - the game knowledge is extremely vast. But the raw skills such as reaction speed, apm and other gaming related skills aren’t really required to excel.

At least not at extremes

[worthy fern]

Just have big flashing notice that says “this flashing thing means that this debuff is dispell able”

[stark reef]

You obviously have to be fast but the GCD really managed the speed of the game

[near delta]

I think we're just talking semantics now

[steep inlet]

Fragi is pro in raids PvE and was also one of the bests in Overwatch

i met him at one blizzcon he is so chill

[stark reef]

He’s def not average

[steep inlet]

a real viking

[worthy fern]

“Hello future gladiator, this is where your DR trackers are on your ui, this is what they mean…” like the paper clip from windows

[steep inlet]

2 meters viking

we drank until 5 am

[stark reef]

I watch his pov a lot during rwf, man is an absolute gamer

[steep inlet]

^^

[near delta]

But yeah it takes basically the same amount of work to get really good at most games

[oblique patrol]

In PvE id disagree at the highest level when it comes to Great Push or RWF, you really need to react well or its just insta GG - in PvP 3s specifically you are more on a script with comps, but you do need to react well to whats happening, im not sure if you have pushed a glad, but last season if you didnt react well to Warr/Ret go - you wouldnt get glad xD

[near delta]

But you'll get a lot more bang for your buck if you're playing LoL or something

[green wyvern]

mobas are infinitely more complex than wow and it's a fact

[stark reef]

Thank you

[green wyvern]

wow is just inacessible

[worthy fern]

How are they more complex

[green wyvern]

it's not hard at all

[worthy fern]

Aren’t they more skill based

[green wyvern]

what do you mean

[worthy fern]

I feel like there is way more complex game knowledge in wow

[green wyvern]

what makes you think that?

[oblique patrol]

Skill is subjective in a PvP environment, you just working on being better than your opponent in most scenarios

[worthy fern]

@green wyvern I’m asking you

[stark reef]

MOBAs you’ll literally face people that are “just built different”

[worthy fern]

I said “how?”

[stark reef]

There is nothing I can do to lane against T1 Guma

Nothing

[worthy fern]

To you stating they are more complex

[stark reef]

10 years play, doesn’t matter

[oblique patrol]

You could say the same if you are a glad rogue and you face Whazz no?

thats just a skill issue

[stark reef]

Nah, not even close

[green wyvern]

there are so many win conditions and things you have to pay attention to in a single moba match

[worthy fern]

The gap between glad and non glad is big, the gap between glad and r1 is bigger and the gap between r1 and top tourney players is another leap

[stark reef]

I’d happily play vs Whazz if I have another 2-3 seasons played actively. Doesn’t mean I would win but I know where left and right is.

[oblique patrol]

By that principle RBG's at the very highest level would be the hardest form of content in wow? So many ways to win and lose in a matter of seconds

[green wyvern]

not really

rbgs are simple

[stark reef]

Playing vs a korean league pro is just crushing

Just listen to western pros in interviews

[worthy fern]

There are tons of things to pay attention to in wow arena just not for warrior

[green wyvern]

what do you mean rofl

[worthy fern]

Games are much shorter too

[green wyvern]

what do you pay attention to

cds, buffs and debuffs

like dota and league dont have those

[worthy fern]

Drs, dispels, damage rotation, healing and defensive usage, crowd control, kicks, fakes, positioning, win conditions

[green wyvern]

ye

[oblique patrol]

Anything is simple at the casual level, even a moba

[worthy fern]

Every class has different things to pay attention too

[green wyvern]

thats all under cds, buffs and debuffs

[near delta]

Whaaz, chanimal, and mehh completely shit on all the best European players in the AWC with a comp that wasn't even meta at all

[green wyvern]

and also dr

forgot about that

[worthy fern]

It’s literally not

[green wyvern]

it is

[worthy fern]

Cooldowns are cooldowns

Buffs are buffs

[green wyvern]

you think there are no chain ccs in mobas?

[worthy fern]

Debuffs are debuffs

Ofc there are but you are simplifying wow arena too much

[green wyvern]

no

dota ccs are way more complex than wow ccs

[oblique patrol]

Chain ccs are comparable in both games, what does a moba have that a game like wow doesnt in terms of difficulty?

[green wyvern]

you can disable items

you can disable passives

[stark reef]

Just look at these two clips and the decisions made in 30sec - these are all unique decisions - wow decisions are on a script https://youtu.be/Kg1O86gpyXQ

[oblique patrol]

You can disable cc in wow xd its called cross cc and using tools to prevent it? xd

[green wyvern]

yes

no shit sherlock

read what we wrote

[worthy fern]

@green wyvern watch a r1 player break down an awc game and you will see all the little things that go into each game

[oblique patrol]

I did, complexity is subjective - a MOBA at high levels will be difficult, but so will WoW

otherwise anyone can be a AWC player and get paid

[green wyvern]

moba at high levels is insanely more difficult than wow at high levels

[oblique patrol]

Based on what though? xd

[worthy fern]

We’re not talking about difficulty

[stark reef]

Wow is on a script

[worthy fern]

That’s not what you said

You said complexity

[stark reef]

You play the same interaction over and over

[green wyvern]

complexity too yeah

I just explained

the amount of hero permutations alone create complexity way more than wow can ever achieve

[stark reef]

Mobas you have thousands of unique interactions and need to react in milliseconds

[worthy fern]

I think Moba require more timing and decision making

Y’all are trolling rn acting like mobas are some insane skillful thing

[oblique patrol]

Not everything at the highest levels is on a script though, thats what i dont understand - ill use RBG for example as i actually play that at high end, but you are constantly using variation in order to gain a win, its very rarely on a script

[worthy fern]

Millisecond reactions

[stark reef]

https://youtu.be/r0gT_sSgFDU

This stuff is absolutely insane

[oblique patrol]

Dont get me wrong, plenty of players in all sorts of games that set themselves apart from others - but in a player vs player environment within a game, all games have insane requirements of skill when you are talking about the 0.1%, because you are competing with other people - i can understand in a PvE environment if you said Cutting Edge is easy, because thats down to Blizzard tuning and maybe they tune it easy - but if you was to argue Race to world first its different and presents mountains of difficulty

[stark reef]

Another example are the comms

Compare comms - the intensity tells you the amount of relevant real time information necessary

Wow comms are chill af

League sounds like someone is about to have an aneurysm- that’s not a coincidence

[oblique patrol]

Id largely disagree with that outside of PvE

in PvE you want to hear 2-3 people, so yes more calm, more organized like you see in RWF - but have you heard coms from AWC teams or a top RBG team for example xD

Its manic

so much going on, so that point is flawed

[stark reef]

I’ve listened to some AWC stuff with pikas team, yeah

It sounds chill - not very emotional/stressed

[oblique patrol]

Thats one team tho, i could use Whazz's team for example, they are constantly talking all througout the game

[stark reef]

Sounds like the boys gaming

[oblique patrol]

Comms are important for varying reasons in any game, but each player is different and will react and deliver information in different ways - im sure their is a League team out somewhere that is calm and concise with info

Just as maybe Pikaboo's team is aswell - but doesnt distract from the fact that comms in wow can be manic and packed with tons of information

[unique fox]

I'm sure some wow pros could play other games at a high level but for the most part I dont think they'd hack it. I assume most are doing it for fun because they sure arent doing it for the money.

[worthy fern]

Listening to whazz team vs pika is night and day

Whazz team is super on point with eveything

Gg just relies on skill and a bit of luck to make plays

Hardest thing about getting cutting edge each tier is keeping a raid team of semi competent gamers together

[oblique patrol]

But you can say the same about maybe a Dota pro, might not be able to be a 3v3 AWC player - its all about the time you put into the game and whether you are committed to it, not anything to do with the difficulty

[stark reef]

Maybe I got the wrong impression because that’s what it sounded like

Very laid back, just some gaming on a Wednesday with the bros

[stark reef]

I think culture is a big one, yeah. I just checked - European teams sound a bit more laid back than Asians. (They also always lose)

[unique fox]

I think Dota requires more skill and knowledge than Wow by a wide margin

[stark reef]

They'd likely crush AWC players after minimal practice

[oblique patrol]

Weird how we have asian teams in wow and they rarely win

Nothing to do with race as to how skilled you can be

[unique fox]

Asians too busy chasing the big money in league and other games

[stark reef]

Not race, culture

The numbers don't lie

Asians do not take wow serious

[oblique patrol]

Culture or race, dedication is what will make you good at something

[stark reef]

They play mobas and fighting games

[oblique patrol]

Which is fine, maybe that line of gaming genre appeals more to that culture than a MMO

[stark reef]

And by "asians" I mean the orgs that raise elite players

[oblique patrol]

And say that org raised elite players in a western country, would they achieve the same results?

[stark reef]

They're trying and failing over and over

Just now again at MSI - west out in a heartbeat

Best Euro team lost to T1 in 17min, second fastest pro loss in history

Complete blowout

NA is a meme-region to begin with

They can't even get out of groups at worlds

It really isn't close or subjective

[oblique patrol]

I assume this is in regards to League?

[stark reef]

Yes

[oblique patrol]

Every game has particular teams that excel through working hard and dedication - in league its those teams you mentioned, in Wow its NA and EU teams typically

Asian culture has a hard time accessing wow due to political reasons now in terms of licensing, but i can guarantee if wow was simple and easier to view for every day people, they would probably engage with that market to - but wow has always had a struggling viewer base for esports, ever since wrath - and thats simply down to the viewers difficulty to understand everything thats happening

Because more viewership = more money, therefore more Orgs would invest into it - but orgs investing into a game is subject to money, nothing to do with the difficulty of the game or anything along them lines

[supple galleon]

lmao facts

[worthy fern]

Many pro gamers can probably get glad high glad maybe r1 pretty easily with a bit of practice but they wouldn’t be able to compete at awc level the experience gap is just too great

There’s a few fps pros/streamers that get r1 in wow every once in a while

[stark reef]

Yeah, but not sure you see much of the reverse

[woeful solstice]

it requires a diff type of knowledge

mechanically no

meta game yes

[pale minnow]

some smartass said that if a mellee gets into a caster solo q lobby he'll win most of them, yet every single time I 5-6 won mellee lobbys and caster lobby 2-1

[stark reef]

Def pref caster lobby on fury vs. meele lobby

hitting lock/sp/fire mage/boomkin/eli feels great

Hitting arms war not so much

Even WW is awkward on fury since I don't have overpower

So his perma fist of fury takes out a lot of my dps

Same with rogue evasion

Ret is fine

[craggy geyser]

Yeah I agree they’re a mfer to deal with

[stark reef]

Dk is fine

[craggy geyser]

DK is ass they murdered that poor class

[stark reef]

Enhance is also fine

[craggy geyser]

Stupid question maybe… what does “turbo” mean?

[stark reef]

Only caster I don't like hitting is frost mage

[lucid walrus]

warrior/enhance/healer

[stark reef]

Arms + Enhance

[craggy geyser]

Ahh ok

[stark reef]

Yeah, I think it's a reference to windfury buffing both

Not sure how they cook up those names

[craggy geyser]

Right? Lol

[lucid walrus]

might have something to do w/ other enhance utility too

idk if they play thundercharge anymore but that sure makes things fast paced

[craggy geyser]

I’m sure fury does well with enhance right?

[stark reef]

It does but arms does even better afaik

[craggy geyser]

Even after the weird nerf?

[stark reef]

With enhance? I'd expect so, eys

[craggy geyser]

iight

[stark reef]

Enhance really helps with rage on arms, a bit more of a PvE angle, don't know pvp

Yeah, arms is far from dead - just no longer broken

Great spec still

[craggy geyser]

Yeah nice part imo is that fury and arms are comparable one doesn’t blow away the other

[stark reef]

Agreed, happy about the balance rn

[twin mural]

man the que times on Solo shuffle are just unbearable T_T

start of season 30 min que

Livin the dream

[teal cedar]

whats everyone spending sparks on?

[near delta]

I just bought the boots

[lucid walrus]

poor bastard lmao

[near delta]

I'm looking at the cloak, but I feel like blizz is gonna nerf it again

[teal cedar]

what cloak is that?

[near delta]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=408318/undulating-sporecloak

[full raft]

what about crafting primal molten helm (vers/mast) with shadowflame patch (attacks have chance to do extra dmg)?

[quick carbon]

love to see it