compared to arms
#pvp
hazy isle
urban skiff
wary heart
arms has much less burst and will rely on 4p to do anything, but its itemization is for fury so
teal hedge
Well yeah, I learned pvp last season.-
hazy isle
"cope"
teal hedge
Besides, I can only do like 2 or 3 games every day?
hazy isle
"cope"
teal hedge
Imagine needing to play a better spec couldn't be me
wary heart
i mean that's all fine, no one is going to critique you for an opinion unless you pop off
hazy isle
EU 3s
wary heart
hmm yes, elegance of ignore pain truly separates man from boyt
teal hedge
I think it's easier to conclude that the folx that hop off a spec because it gets nerfed to hop on an objectively more boring spec because it's marginally stronger are feeble.
hazy isle
sks did feel clunky but it still more fun than the boring old bleed roar build
teal hedge
Yeah, sks feels nice.
wary heart
yes marcus aurelius states the stoic man continues to play arms when nerfed, to show true character
hmm yes
wary heart
urban skiff
I say people can do whatever they want. Switch. Don't switch.
But I'll definitely think less of someone for switching to something that makes them feel bad just to win. That's not a way to treat yourself right.
teal hedge
EXACTLY:
urban skiff
Your body won't remember the wins in years. But it'll remember the accumulated stress
hazy isle
arms with no sks to me is as boring as fury
teal hedge
Protean gets it
graceful ginkgo
nothing to see here, looks fine
teal hedge
Huh?
graceful ginkgo
^
wary heart
yessum
lucid walrus
I say people can do whatever they want. Switch. Don't switch.
But I'll definite...
this goes hard
hot solstice
brand new fire mage???
stark reef
Just had a frost mage go 6/0
Mage and Rogue both strong - please god no
Vs. SP, WW and me on fury
shy flame
I never have a good time against a frost mage
stark reef
Guy was a bit of a gamer
Shuffle really has the worst of the worst
Next time people talk shit about shuffle their profile better looks like this
obsidian loom
Ignite is bugged
hot solstice
wtf is this?
like why do I have to use parry when lock even not casting
bbut nerf sks ofc
teal cedar
for fury, does 2 of same enchant stack or is it better to get diff enchants?
sharp meteor
like why do I have to use parry when lock even not casting
Because Destro is kind of like Hunter in that it's just a very durable ranged melee
You'll sit there waiting for a cast while theyd o 70k dps
and just die
stark reef
I am not having a good time today - damage barely off so many times now
Almost feels like I didn't get the right week 2 upgrades
4 rounds with 5% or less
Even more than 4
Gear in PvP is such a dogshit concept man
Why have fkn gear progression in PvP
"You had a bad vault?" better luck next time
wary heart
the golden rule: unsub till last week, catch up, get your cr king
vapid tartan
It’s literally week 2
stark reef
It's just infuriating to know "if I had embellishment X" or "2pc" or "conq wep" this round was a win
What's the point of that?
(To keep me playing/paying)
Pally with 2% health...
Dk, 3%, boomkin, 3%, over and over
Time to tank rating until I can get my conq weapon I guess
Another lobby w/ 2pc andy and guy with weapon
Fk this game bruv
wary heart
just wait till 4pc
for demo enh dev
ret 4pc lmfao
arms is a net loss vs previous 4pc lmfao
nice design
river walrus
just had a lobby with fire mage, destro lock and ehanc shaman....i went 2-4 with my fury warrior, too dificult to connect damage and they all do so much burst
teal hedge
Oh my god it feels so weird watching others play
I usually play max-zoomed out but I'm watching ven and his game looks completely different.
vapid tartan
How’s it workin out for him
stark reef
Where do we get second spark? Story?
wary heart
so you'll get pigeon holed into running sks at some point even though its trash
but itemization is bad
so maybe arms wont run tier
rumor is cloak will get nerfed in pvp so idk if that's the craft
blizzard only balances with a sledgehammer so
stark reef
which cloak?
wary heart
yea
torpid roost
Seriously, maybe it's ignorance or arrogance talking but I feel like I could do a better job at balance than blizzard
full raft
what weapon are you guys buying with conq this week? haste or mastery?
vapid tartan
rumor is cloak will get nerfed in pvp so idk if that's the craft
It’s Alr nerfed xd
inner elbow
by 60%
elfin surge
🥳
wary heart
nice you got unbanned
torpid roost
Grats my boi
simple rock
hello fello rank 1 @elfin surge
elfin surge
😎
wary heart
tier lists are zzz
torpid roost
rogue
a+
near delta
Pls no fury
vapid tartan
Furry time
vapid tartan
Imagine they nerf fury next xd
near delta
Until it gets giga buffed in a month 
woeful solstice
might turn into a pve nerd for the first half of s2
vapid tartan
ugh I wanna get home and test it out
woeful solstice
fury is so dogshit boring i cannot be bothered
hazy isle
arms is even more boring than it already was lol
woeful solstice
100% dropping sks
wary heart
@elfin surge you meme'd sks into oblivion you animal
vapid tartan
im scared to play it ngl
Just queue as fury 
dapper cypress
WE CANT INTERRUPT PET REZZ??
stark reef
im scared to play it ngl
Arms still very good
Just not OP anymore
You just have to fight an uphill battle now vs. the meta classes but not like you'll get dumpstered every game
And fury def not a free win
Leaderboards say it all
Lock is a free win
cosmic moss
If my vault had the Vers/Mastery 2hander in it that worth taking as arms or just hold out for the haste one?
stark reef
I played vs. 2 arms so far, one was useless, one popped off (it was a meele cleave)
Meele cleave probably still best class with unhinged, sweeping, etc.
woeful solstice
right
vapid tartan
I would think we can still squeeze out a fat ms during Cs reck window + double op sharpen?
woeful solstice
oh totally
wary heart
yeah i mean you'll get small burst windows but what do you follow up with?
if we go back to thunder roar bleeds and 4p will be bleeds itll feel meh
sks is not the play for sure
vapid tartan
I can see when second set of cds coming up, bolt heal shockwave kt hit your burst and try to get into execute range?
stark reef
is crit really that shit?
vapid tartan
Easy to take fatality with no sks
wary heart
crit nerf wasnt that bad tbh
i hope it feels better with 4p i doubt it from the sims but maybe blizz knows something we dont
im not very confident they test anything from retpocalypse last season
vapid tartan
I mean best case scenario it’s a 15% ms buff and then the aoe
stark reef
Where do we get second spark boys?
jovial torrent
havent played any dragonflight,. hows arena atm, deflated or not too bad? is solo q good too? wana try come back get 2100 for the enchant and tmog
quasi zephyr
30 minute queues and deflated as balls
vapid tartan
So gathering storm and infurious helm seem kinda meh anyone tested shadowflame patch yet?
jovial torrent
offt rip
stark reef
100 more conquest
Do I just play a game as arms at 0 rating?
A quick one for the culture?
river walrus
priest are unkillable, what`s going on
quick carbon
yes
shadowpriests are actually bonkers
Every wizard is broken
it’s turbo or bust boys
hazy isle
all of them except for maybe arcane
woeful solstice
yeah this season is sounding scuffed lmao
im going pve nerd for the first half fuck this
woeful solstice
nah not this bad
vivid pumice
Or dh
woeful solstice
i do remember it and i was still able to climb in that meta
hazy isle
assa lol
quick carbon
retpocalypse
woeful solstice
the fucking mage ignite bug still isnt fixed?
hazy isle
made everyone go d iron
woeful solstice
quick carbon
turbo can kill immortal wizards still
woeful solstice
gotta call my shaman friend and pay for him to resub
graceful ginkgo
It’s good but the nerfs to arms don’t seem THAT bad
The nerf to Sharpen from 6 to 4s duration is pretty bad imo
stark reef
fire mage bug bruv
1st game i see it
will post screenie after tihs round
lmao
quick carbon
The nerf to Sharpen from 6 to 4s duration is pretty bad imo
Sharpen nerf is fine
near delta
That seems like a bit much tbh
dense lark
How in tf do i deal with these casters in arena? Specifically locks, mages, and boom;ies
royal rose
Is the token for 1600 only a chest piece or you can select any item?
dense lark
I'm so demoralized bros
dense lark
Is the token for 1600 only a chest piece or you can select any item?
Any tier set pieces
wanton siren
why the fuck am I going 0/6 in loby with an arms, frost mage and dh
I can't pump any harder what the hell
Feels like im not doing any dmg
stark reef
How in tf do i deal with these casters in arena? Specifically locks, mages, and ...
Damage, damage, damage
spring python
Skull splitter still worth?
stark reef
Isn't this guy a hotshot?
https://check-pvp.fr/us/Stormrage/Vyll
inner steppe
Is the token for 1600 only a chest piece or you can select any item?
Isnt it 1800?
worthy fern
Ss is weird cause everyone else is doing like negative dps and fire mage is a bit above normal rn
visual river
Lol hopefully hot fix soon
stark reef
New Enchant very legit on fury
graceful dock
New Enchant very legit on fury
Double or single enchant?
stark reef
Double
granite basin
I imagine I should be in arms loot prio when i open my vault for fury
stark reef
Yes
Also, running double insignia into everything - rogues, mages, hunter, doesn't matter - this does way to much damage
granite basin
or 24/7 I guess
near delta
New Enchant very legit on fury
It cost 40k per on my server 😒
near delta
Lmao
stark reef
That’s what WoW tokens are for
granite basin
Mastery necklace but no tier
near delta
I do not care to spend that much to enchant honor weps lol
Ig I can get my main 2h this week so there's that
stark reef
Yeah, I have 1 conq one honor now
tawny brook
Also, running double insignia into everything - rogues, mages, hunter, doesn't m...
Double insignia>double badge?
stark reef
Yes
tawny brook
K
stark reef
The one that has chance to proc on skills
tawny brook
It would be nice to have haste instead of crit on both
I guess the blue level has different stats nvm
granite basin
I think they give haste
visual river
sadly no wep but chest teir is good! socket on mastery ring too damn
stark reef
I’d take ring w/ socket but that’s just me
gray umbra
whats a safe first tier piece to get for arms? even as just as an upgrade for now, looking to token in to push this week.
stark reef
Not sure if we can socket otherwise
visual river
god damn
visual river
whats a safe first tier piece to get for arms? even as just as an upgrade for no...
chest and head probs
gray umbra
chest and head probs
i got helm in chest this week so ill get chest. ty
visual river
tier priority over a socketed ring esp fury
royal rose
Did they change solo shuffle to where you have to win 4 to gain rating? I've playing at my correct mmr, won 3 and no rating haha
Might be an mmr hell I had a bad start lol
visual river
you hit a sticking point where you can only gain rating with 4
royal rose
Oof I really fucked this toon for the season then
visual river
nah just hang on a little bit let rating inflate and you'll be good again
inner gorge
Update out now so Arms nerfed in PvP right? Whats the best stat prio on PvP gear i should go? I asked earlier in the week and everyone suggest to wait to ask until today cuz the nerfs
stark reef
Did they change solo shuffle to where you have to win 4 to gain rating? I've pla...
Ofc you need to win 4
Only time you win 3 and get rating is if your mmr is above your cr
But you also lose with 3 wins if your mmr is lower than your cr
visual river
I've made so much goddamn money selling those enchants man
Nice man I have a max enchanter but I didn’t spec into weapons, I have 10 into sophic but gave up lol
tawny brook
Is shadowflame wreath better than sophic for fury?
visual river
What are the mats like to make it? Any BOP?
stark reef
Is shadowflame wreath better than sophic for fury?
Yes
tawny brook
K
stark reef
Might change later on since enchant doesn’t scale like Sophic
tawny brook
Are you going the mastery wvw pvp sword offhand until later?
visual river
^
unique fox
It should go down in price fairly quickly, the shadowflame essence only drops in raid right now
tawny brook
Never been around for the start of a season but it is pretty fun
visual river
Imo get conq main and bloody token 447 offhand until you get your 4set so you don’t wait 4 weeks for conq second wep lol
You need 14 strife tokens for 447 mastery polearm, can get it this week if you didn’t use the tokens last week
I upgraded 447 bracers last week so need to wait to next week to get 447 polearm
royal rose
What item are yall crafting this week?
visual river
If you already have boots that’s fine, hang onto your second flame until further notice
Fury it’s looking towards infurious helm since that’s our weakest tier piece but no second embellishment is also ok
south kestrel
what talents are people running after sks nerf
clear quiver
do we care about our tier?
or is it better to select pieces with appropriate stats?
visual river
i think arms only really needs 2 set, someone mentioned 4set isnt that good on arms?
Fury 4 set seems kinda strong however it means should go Raging blow build instead which loses the sustain playstyle of anni
tawny brook
Fury it’s looking towards infurious helm since that’s our weakest tier piece but...
So boots helm as fury?
floral mirage
recommended conquest buy order?
inner gorge
What is best PvP stat prio for arms now that nerfs is out?
granite basin
whatever lets u kill more
inner gorge
Thats helpful lol . Everyone here told me last week to wait till today to ask cuz the nerfs + patch
worthy fern
Anyone had an issue where you don’t get honor from winning an epic bg?
Just won a isle of conquest and got 189 honor
Wtf and I got deserter lol
granite basin
got flagged as afk
stark reef
Where do we get second shadowflame spark?
The NPC has no quest and sends me to pvp vendor who also has no quest
worthy fern
@granite basin I legit played the entire game
south kestrel
The NPC has no quest and sends me to pvp vendor who also has no quest
Do the weekly 1500 rep with the sniffer blokes
Drops from the cache he gives
clear quiver
fury seem to be the play now?
stark reef
Do the weekly 1500 rep with the sniffer blokes
Ty
south kestrel
fury seem to be the play now?
Think either are fine
stark reef
inner gorge
?
visual river
So boots helm as fury?
boots yes, helm maybe, likely, wait a couple of weeks and get head slot last
visual river
recommended conquest buy order?
weapon, then whatever you want
royal rose
For the love of god nerf boomkins already
ebon steeple
What's the best weapon? Haste/Vers like the blue i'm guessing?
visual river
for arms yes
ebon steeple
Thought so
ebon steeple
Good luck!
rotund trellis
of course i got boots from the vault
thick reef
I didn't get any tier, I don't want to hear it
rotund trellis
I literally got RING, BOOTS and GLOVES ffs
royal rose
jesus shadowy tear hurts, 14k a tick
visual river
got tier chest, im happy. Will buy tier shoulders and conq MH today. Ally trade is dead i cant find a crafter to make my boots ugh
rotund trellis
I may go with vers gloves rather than haste ring
inner gorge
What's the best weapon? Haste/Vers like the blue i'm guessing?
Are you talking regular PvP gear for arms?
south kestrel
jesus shadowy tear hurts, 14k a tick
Ignite 75k ticks tho
visual river
yea, probably save yourself some grey hairs today and not queue into rated
rotund trellis
where is the war mode upgrade npc?
also are we buyn weapon with conquest this week? ya right?
rotund trellis
And what would you get between the mastery gloves and the haste ring? from the vault I mean
rancid heath
is arms still stronger than fury?
bronze venture
is war dead ? /s
thick reef
For the free tier piece we get from Challenger, do we spend it on Chest or save till Catalyst?
stark reef
is war dead ? /s
stark reef
For the free tier piece we get from Challenger, do we spend it on Chest or save ...
Save till you have 3/4 imo
Ultra troll if you get the same twice
But I have no clue how to gear, I just copy the lads above me on the ladder
rotund trellis
why people do this?
supple galleon
hey for fury does anyone know if Enduring Rage is worth it?
I take Slaughterhouse and Bloodrage
rotund trellis
what would you get?
tawny brook
Slaughterhouse, Trance, Enduring Rage is the set it and forget it pvp talent setup
rotund trellis
It costs more conquest
true but i was thinking that the ring gives me more stats
lyric violet
Ring doesnt give mainstat
rotund trellis
and it cannot be a piece I upgrade from Wpvp
supple galleon
Slaughterhouse, Trance, Enduring Rage is the set it and forget it pvp talent set...
but Bloodrage
rotund trellis
Ring doesnt give mainstat
true, you're right, gloves it is
lyric violet
We just back in bfa again
Warlock overlords
Waiting for them to buff fire mage more
Really make me miserable
tawny brook
How do people play destro with being the focus every single round (i know there are exceptions)? Sounds more stressful than healing even
stark reef
Also, running double insignia into everything - rogues, mages, hunter, doesn't m...
Yeah, as gnome you’d definitely not run bloodrage, enduring rage is busted.
46% reck uptime or 1:24min total in recklessness just in 1 round.
visual river
OH MAN lool. Jumped into 5 people, roared and 2 died instantly
visual river
a good lock places really strategic portals as well as port gates. kite like crazy build shards. FAKE A CHAOS BOLT, then triple bolt you in the face
but i usually take rebound against them now so deliberately give them precog then reflect 2 amp'd chaos bolts back to his face
supple galleon
Yeah, as gnome you’d definitely not run bloodrage, enduring rage is busted.
46...
wait how because you have to be CC’d to benefit but if you’re CC’d how are you gonna kill them? you know what I mean
stark reef
Regular reck, reck from rampage/onslaught + reck from enduring rage
That’s a lot of reck right there
craggy geyser
Are we able to continue quest line for spark to craft second embellishment?
stark reef
wait how because you have to be CC’d to benefit but if you’re CC’d how are you g...
It procs 4sec at a time off any cc
So if they break it or it’s just some random root when they stand on you, they get slapped
supple galleon
hmm alright I guess I’ll try it
stark reef
People love their micro ccs, so so i
That 1sec stun might just be a 4sec reck in return 🤝
stark reef
Are you gnome?
supple galleon
no
supple galleon
so I give up Battle Trance right?
stark reef
Can’t advice on non-gnome
supple galleon
what’s gnome racial
stark reef
Breaks roots/slows on 1min CD
supple galleon
wtf that’s broken
supple galleon
worgen
stark reef
Oof
supple galleon
werewolf is cool okay
stark reef
Yeah, if you want to make rating at a decent pace swap to something like human, gnome, orc, dark iron or nelf
You’re playing with ankle weights
supple galleon
ughhhh that’s so lame
stark reef
Can always print a werewolf poster for the wall
supple galleon
I’m team Jacob dude I can’t betray
stark reef
I can tell but Bella is unlocked with this seasons legend title - the choice is yours
supple galleon
but I’m a trash can
south kestrel
@stark reef you ever drop warbringer
stark reef
double insig on human
supple galleon
facts
craggy geyser
I have 1 Splintered Spark, when can we get the other for second embellish any ideas?
quasi zephyr
just went 6-0 as arms 1800 mmr... its not dead spec
worthy fern
I went 0-6 at same mmr so it is dead
stark reef
🤝
supple galleon
arms aint dead lol fury is just not dogwater anymore
torpid bolt
need help guys
i think i should choose the pants to play fury, what do you think
torpid bolt
i was playing fury last season, but seems now its dead
so i think i would play fury for the better tier
royal rose
Fury actually does more damage than arms according to @elfin surge
stark reef
@spice hornet you’re gonna play warrior this season or just hang out with us?
supple galleon
what do yall think is a good alt to have
spice hornet
I’m the new pvp SF mod, they just haven’t promoted me yet
stark reef
Would be an upgrade, right now the guy that makes the pins doesn’t even play the game
Rather a warlock main than a smite main pinning builds nobody plays
“Just play raging blow brother, it will be good.”
“Don’t play onslaught with annihilator, it’s bad. Source: Trust me bro.”
stark reef
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle/warrior/fury
Pick your poison between #1 - #23
supple galleon
wtf theyre all using annihilator
stark reef
south kestrel
Why wouldnt they use annihilator
stark reef
Reading the discussion on onslaught vs odyns and someone says “extra reck from onslaught feels clunky”
supple galleon
how do i disable hhtd sounds
river walrus
u guys see this? Spell reflection into locks is actually nice
supple galleon
nice
unique fox
Yeah i've had some pretty juicy rebounds into locks, 160k shadowburns and shit
supple galleon
okay so how do we get champion/hero gear? I have veteran gear but it's mid af
tawny brook
What is veteran and champion gear?
supple galleon
it's the new pve gear system
I got everything I can for PvP I can so far
but I'm weak in pve atm
granite basin
Upgrade ur pvp gear
slow holly
How’s arms feeling after today
hazy isle
zzzz
hazy isle
ya
stark eagle
are we able to craft a weapon for PvP with the trophy?
supple galleon
ugh I wanna play pvp but the queues are long and Im solo
craggy geyser
When crafting the Infurious Warboots.... is there anything else we add to the Optional Reagents other than the Trophy of Conquest?
elfin surge
rotund trellis
he has spoken
sage raptor
Dad?
rustic sentinel
is it worth sacrificing the verse for a tier piece? after the crit nerf idk if this is even the best piece for arms warrior in arena
visual river
Fury ignore tier helm only
tawny brook
Perfect
visual river
Arms ignores legs from what I can see
Shoulders and chest are good first slots for tier though, since chest big stats , shoulders gives mastery>conq piece
Similarly for fury scalewarden bracers > conq
stark reef
tawny brook
Which onyx battlechest from the vendor
One only has 5 heroic levels or something
Nvm one doesnt pvp scale
shy flame
When crafting the Infurious Warboots.... is there anything else we add to the Op...
nope, that it
tawny brook
So onslaught over odyns fury is the new hotness?
rotund trellis
what now? onslaught??
visual river
So onslaught over odyns fury is the new hotness?
maybe once we get 4 set but right now its still anni imo
or maybe dont even go 4 set and stay anni as 2 set
tawny brook
i still have anni
some of the top builds are dropping the 2 from odyns fury and titanic rage and putting it into onslaught and the talent below it
river walrus
Is onslaught worth though? Does it do considerable damage to even press?
I love odyns fury
stark reef
So onslaught over odyns fury is the new hotness?
This is absolutely debatable - my opinion: onslaught sgl target, odyn's fury for cleave but you'll see top wars run both - probably means doesn't matter
near delta
I think onslaught is super valuable just for keeping up slaughterhouse
Gives you a clutch bit of rage to reapply
stark reef
Yeah, I'm running onslaught 95% of the time, my cleave build hasn't won me that many games
But I do run Titan's Tornment so I have 1 Odyn's Fury off off Avatar
But problem is, this scuffs the opener
near delta
I was just messing with smexxins build
stark reef
Can you link it?
rotund trellis
I'm gonna play a couple with onslaught
near delta
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stark reef
ty
near delta
tawny brook
Where do slaughtering strikes come from? Slaughterhouse?
near delta
Smexx was playing fury at r1 last season lol
obsidian loom
so how do we get our spark?
runic wharf
annihilator
rotund trellis
ok so hear me out, what weapon are you buying?
near delta
Not sure actually either mastery or haste
stark reef
Smexx was playing fury at r1 last season lol
Yeah, I run exact same except 1 point of vicious into massacre
That build slaps super hard
near delta
Smexx is opting for full mastery which is interesting
stark reef
I think everyone is
near delta
Full-ish mastery
near delta
Lol
I have like 41% on my ww
I recommend buying the green mastery ring on ah with a socket
Obsidian combatants
It's on the same level as the honor but with more mastery
tawny brook
We weren’t supposed to spend conquest last week right?
stark reef
I see, he has mastery enchant on ring instead of vers, tier shoulders since pvp give haste and wpvp bracers
tawny brook
This 1350/1900 because I didnt spend isnt me making a huge mistake right
stark reef
Mastery over vers enchants, let's do it 
near delta
Thought it was the honor one and equipped cause I wasn't paying attention
near delta
This 1350/1900 because I didnt spend isnt me making a huge mistake right
That's correct
You have just enough to buy a weapon
obsidian loom
wait so we take annihlator and onslaught?
tawny brook
You have just enough to buy a weapon
Thank you
rotund trellis
just won me 3 games guys
obsidian loom
are we sure annihlator procs slaughtering?
stark reef
yes, it does
tawny brook
So do we use onslaught after the big thunderous roar?
obsidian loom
so do we just not use slam again?
stark reef
not really, no
rotund trellis
I have it as a filler
obsidian loom
why not bt as filler?
stark reef
yeah, very rarely you have a hole
always bt
but let's say you don't proc bloodbath and bt is on cd and you cna't rampage/execute/onslaught
then you slam
but that's super rare
prio is rampage - onslaught - execute - bloodthirst/bloodbath - slam
obsidian loom
fuck slam that shits unbound
tawny brook
So even with no whirlwind talents we still use the normal whirlwind button if it hits 3?
stark reef
can also just refresh hamstring or use another global instead of slam tbh
yeah, just piercing howl, do something useful instead of slam
stark reef
So even with no whirlwind talents we still use the normal whirlwind button if it...
no
without talents unbind
or put on random button
tawny brook
Ok someone told me we use it all the time lol
tawny brook
Always happy to unbind another key
stark reef
This is my cleave build - copied from last seasons R1 shuffle with shockwave on the right - it does a lot of cleave but you have to play well with the WW stacks
Can't quite zug as hard
I'd run into stuff like ret/arms
elder coyote
I've notices people are prioritizing mastery over haste for Fury, is this the go?
rotund trellis
man the enrage effect of onslaught is sweeeeet
stark reef
I've notices people are prioritizing mastery over haste for Fury, is this the go...
yep
near delta
This is my cleave build - copied from last seasons R1 shuffle with shockwave on ...
Ive been thinking about ww. Seems like too much value to miss out on into super cleavy comps
rotund trellis
no, just fury
what weapon to buy then?? are we committed to fury until later in the season?
tawny brook
Tenderize vs odyns fury. Which lets me go more ham
near delta
what weapon to buy then?? are we committed to fury until later in the season?
Fury is actually only going to get better once we get tier
stark reef
what weapon to buy then?? are we committed to fury until later in the season?
That's a question for warriors that have more experience with blizzards balancing team and gear curve
tawny brook
You can still take it
stark reef
Tenderize vs odyns fury. Which lets me go more ham
Tenderize I'd say
near delta
Arms would basically need a buff at this point to become definitively better
tawny brook
K
tawny brook
Onslaught into giga roar ooooo im excited
stark reef
wait we're not taking odyns fury anymore?
Very mixed bag - tbh, I don't think it matters - top 20 has people run it and not run it
stark reef
yeah, onslaught and tenderize
rotund trellis
at this point I may buy the haste weapon
and just pump mast with ems
if arms get back on tracks later on
stark reef
at this point I may buy the haste weapon
if you want to play both and don't care to super minmax for now that's fine i'd say
rotund trellis
rotund trellis
if you want to play both and don't care to super minmax for now that's fine i'd ...
Yeah i think I wanna main arms, as fury is braindead
but arms for me now is too complicated
I really am not good enought for all those utilities
tawny brook
You arent hitting your bloodbath key hard enough to understand the real joy of fury
elder coyote
Yeah i think I wanna main arms, as fury is braindead
arms is kinda just as brainded as fury tho
tawny brook
Hit it harder and faster
rotund trellis
arms is kinda just as brainded as fury tho
right but it feels more complete in terms of utiities
indigo barn
Don't forget all crafted non weapons can be turned into 450 perfectly started gear
rotund trellis
and I'd like to learn the rotation better
indigo barn
Get that giga mast
indigo barn
All armor
supple galleon
indigo barn
PvP token does not embellish it
supple galleon
guys wtf do i do against double lock
tawny brook
What does perfectly started mean I guess
obsidian loom
guys wtf do i do against double lock
go next
obsidian loom
in pvp, you dont cry you just go next
supple galleon
I was like wtf do u want me to do sit here?
yes. thats what he wanted. double melee vs double locks
obsidian loom
ignore healers, most are brain damaged for even playing healer in shuffle
vapid tartan
In that matchup you tell your healer to push in with you
If they don’t wanna push and the locks are opposing pillars ur just fucked
rotund trellis
in pvp, you dont cry you just go next
supple galleon
like wtf is he already 450 every slot? lmao dude almost had 700k hp
distant dagger
With the changes are we going mastery over haste now?
supple galleon
With the changes are we going mastery over haste now?
arms? or fury
distant dagger
Arms, didnt think fury was very viable
opal acorn
Same, it feels great
distant dagger
Regardless though, haste or mastery for arms after change?
opal acorn
Why mastery?
vapid tartan
obsidian loom
there's no mods here
what is everyone crafting for 2nd embellishment
laros made the cape its dogshit
distant dagger
Could i see what fury builds you guys are running?
proven maple
Hit it harder and faster
is prio after vers, mast for fury?
rotund trellis
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urban skiff
and that's first tier piece
stark reef
is prio after vers, mast for fury?
yes
obsidian loom
lmfao
this new build is disgusting
6-0 first lobby in wood league
swift 1 shot -> onslaught -> rampage
thunder
zug idk
is that the rotation?
rotund trellis
hahah it's so satisfying
tawny brook
So macro then onslaught?
rotund trellis
is it worth using the coins to upgrade this? Or better 2 pieces?
stark reef
swift 1 shot -> onslaught -> rampage
Onslaught first, then swiftly
stark reef
So macro then onslaught?
No
tawny brook
Kk was double checking
stark reef
I mean you can but gets messy
If you macro you won’t roar
I like to charge, onslaught, often they disengage or stuff so I stormbolt, leap and swifty or some stuff
obsidian loom
Onslaught first, then swiftly
Onslaught before avatar?
stark reef
Yes, if you run tenderize it enrages you
obsidian loom
Very interesting
stark reef
So you are enraged for the big button
Since if you don’t run titanic rage odyns fury doesn’t enrage
So if you just press swifty you’re not enraged
On roar and odyns
That’s a big dps loss
obsidian loom
Makes sense I was thinking you want onslaught juiced but you're right
rotund trellis
btw 95% of the lobbies are casters
stark reef
Nah, consider onslaught a way to get rage quick, guarantee enrage and maybe proc reck - the juice is rampage spam
rotund trellis
or turbo
stark reef
Onslaught really just press on cd unless you can rampage
spring python
Question, does "Fueled by Violence" heal from deep wounds proc from skull splitter? So we get a big chunk of heal when we SS?
stark reef
I can’t say 100% but I’d expect it to, yes
It basically has everything time out so any effects that are linked to deep wounds should apply
People had that convo regarding arms tier set a while back
elder coyote
do I skip this as fury? or is it good?
stark reef
do I skip this as fury? or is it good?
This is very good
Check Smexxin, very good fury war
He already has this, to
elder coyote
gotcha thanks guys
tranquil hemlock
still making helmet for 2nd embelishment?
wispy drum
I didn't think I'd like onslaught but this is actually hilariously smooth.
urban skiff
what are we crafting next?
visual river
holding out for now but my money is on the infurious helm
urban skiff
not the damage out of cc or defensive cloak?
fuck me
i regret not buying shadowflame wreath yesterday. Like 10 of 'em and resell today
price shot up 100%
spice hornet
dont know if i can stomach another season of repeatedly getting axe tossed and coiled
visual river
damn lol
quick carbon
what’s the difference between infernal stun and coil and axe toss and coil
spice hornet
only destro has infernal stun
quick carbon
ur dead either way
quick carbon
u lose instantly regardless
spice hornet
retard demo has axe toss up 99% of the game and can do it while CC'd
quick carbon
nerf wl
rotund trellis
A great night with fury. +200 ranks and fun games. the pressure is really something
(3v3) not shuffle
visual river
are fire mages still retarded with ignite?
spice hornet
yes
sharp meteor
Yes.
near delta
retard demo has axe toss up 99% of the game and can do it while CC'd
Did they actually change axe toss CD? lol
It feels like it's up way more often than usual but might just be me tilting
rotund trellis
are fire mages still retarded with ignite?
pfft, who needs ignite when you have lava lash
visual river
ok well guess i'll hold off for now... lol
main citrus
is the shadowflame crafted embellishment any good in pvp
visual river
supposedly, the price has dropped by almost half in the last 6hrs, its 55k now
might wait to buy it tmr lol
unique fox
Peaked at 119k but not many people buying at that price
main citrus
42k on my server
visual river
its dropped to 55k atm, guildie just bought me one, awaiting trade 😮💟
main citrus
so you rolling the shadowflame crest for pvp?
visual river
will try it out
torpid roost
what the fuck
tawny brook
Is getting 1800 now more difficult than at the end of last patch because of deflation?
torpid roost
I can't press control shift R now
but all the buttons work
same keyboard
used to be able to hit all of them
the fuck is going on
torpid roost
Is getting 1800 now more difficult than at the end of last patch because of defl...
of course it is, yes
main citrus
ive come second the last 5 solo qs and have had no rating increase
torpid roost
~2100 then is 1800 now (ish)
torpid roost
WHY IS MY FUCKING KEYBOARD BROKEN THOUGH
all the keys individually or in any-two combinations work
this is the same keyboard where all 3 worked
now all 3 don't work
spice hornet
Bruin?
lean burrow
Is getting 1800 now more difficult than at the end of last patch because of defl...
1800 on shaman/lock is easier than last season
brittle swift
WHY IS MY FUCKING KEYBOARD BROKEN THOUGH
Literally been having this issue for the past week
torpid roost
Literally been having this issue for the past week
that's.... actually I was working the past few days so I might have just not noticed it, game might have broken it?
brittle swift
that's.... actually I was working the past few days so I might have just not not...
I’m gunna go with a windows update , would not be surprised it’s only my w a s d and sometimes they work sometimes not or just two at a time or 3. No fucking idea though
torpid roost
mine is
I use ctrl shift R
ctrl R works
shift R works
ctrl shift R doesn't work at all
keyboard is NKRO and it is the same KB I've had the whoel time
brittle swift
Might be worth uninstalling and reinstalling your driver
torpid roost
possibly
wasn't checking it on a windows level after I learned that the keys were functional
tawny brook
I dont know why Im doing better with onslaught because I feel weaker but am winning more
visual river
using shadowflame wreathe on MH and Sophic OH right now, doing about avg 5% of my damage on a dummy its like 2k damage ticks, high uptime though like 56%. Maybe if you can apply it to multiple targets it will be more impactful
guildie pally is not impressed, he said its only 3% of his damage and is probs worse than sophic for him lol
is shadowflame patch nerfed in pvp? wondering if that on head slot might be better than infurious helm
spice hornet
cause its new
maybe 2 of them on fury might do dece dmg
but its wayy too expensive
frozen devo still does a lot of dam
vivid pumice
yeah they're like 80k on my server
unique fox
The shadowflame essences only drop from bosses in the raid and there was super limited supply
spice hornet
yeah my ape buddy tells me it "did 19% of his dmg"
so i buy it
3% of my dam in a long game
thanks bro
mint pulsar
do you open vault as arms or fury for wepon?
fury can get 1handers? can arsm as well?
tawny brook
3% of my dam in a long game
How would that compare to sophic?
mint pulsar
crit/vers helm, crit/vers bracers, crit/vers ring ... what a great vault - what to do? 🙂
(fury andy)
unique fox
Take helm and convert to tier later is what i would do
visual river
Fury does not get tier helm
I’d get ring at least that’s 1 ring slot sorted for now
visual river
Yes but it’s the best of the worst available
mint pulsar
aye
visual river
Unless you wanna stay arms then helm lol
Fury ignores helm, arms ignore pants (or even potentially only 2pc)
visual river
Yea.. at least pants is crit vers so it’s better for fury PvP lol
Other pieces have vers or mastery
Tossing up between going mastery vers shadow flame patch helm
Or infurious thorns helm .. but that is crit vers ew
kindred viper
so, set pants or weapon from vault?
visual river
450 Weapon, even if it is the wrong stats
Then you get the correct polearm as mainhand
kindred viper
polearm so vers/mast
visual river
Oh are you arms ?
visual river
Far.. BIS vault
visual river
Double polearms second week !
torpid roost
kek
visual river
Infurious boots still the go to, undecided for second craft
Infurious helm if impatient lol
visual river
It’s a free str trinket on stormbolt it’s very strong
torpid roost
hold my hand briefly
how do I recraft the 424 version into the 450
nevermind - figured that out
visual river
Personal orders only
tawny brook
Is devastation evoker insane or what
If your vault was neck, belt, mast ring would you get one of those or the 6 merit tokens?
torpid roost
I honestly don't know what the fuck to do about devokers at this point
can't stick on them
maybe with excellent cleanses on me
visual river
Bloodrage 20s root break , don’t waste charge immediately on open , use intercept as a means to travel also
dapper cypress
shoulders, drape or badge of ferocity in vault
no wep, no set...
should I go with the shoulders?
then buying 2h with trophy?
it would be the crit wep, because mastery is not that good anymore?
visual river
Are you arms or fury ?
dapper cypress
i hope i can stand arms
didnt tried the changes
visual river
Arms is haste vers
Get your 1600 and get chest tier token for big haste vers upgrade also
You should have enough conq this week to buy 2hand sword
You’d only get the trophy polearm if you were fury so you can buy rest of your conq gear first
pale minnow
i'm actually pissed i got a miserable weekly crit vers ring/bracer and vers haste shoulder, problem is I already trophied vers mastery shoulder now what?
visual river
Just gotta hold out for next week for more trophy of strife tokens to fill out some more 447 gear whilst you gear up 450, then eventually replace the unwanted 447s
Season literally just started don’t feel pressured or rushed to get BIS
pale minnow
so then should I get the lame ring or bracer?
dapper cypress
Arms is haste vers
Thanks man!
will pick up the shoulders
and go for the haste polearm.
thank you!
visual river
If all stuff are lame imo get ring so at least you can have 1 ring slot sorted at 450 for now
visual river
Thanks man!
will pick up the shoulders
and go for the haste polearm.
thank you!
The haste verse wep is a sword I think , polearm is mastery
dapper cypress
anyway as long as its a 2h 😄
thanks man
mint pulsar
vault is the same as always; it boosts a few people for early, wep, 2set or 4set within 3 or 4 weeks whilst most of us have to wait till the catchup gated tokens. If you get lucky you can get plenty of upgrades compared to others. The lucky few might experience a rating boost for a while but we will all catch up well in time for season to end
not talking about only warriors ofc
visual river
^ that is … correct !
I got 2pc this week but rating is hard to come by cos not inflated yet, need 4/6 to gain rating , 3/6 gain 0, 2/6 lose 50 rating fuck lol
subtle imp
@visual river there is a haste/vers polearm
visual river
Oh really? Cool
subtle imp
visual river
Is the sword not available then?
subtle imp
that's on my pally but I assume war gets it too
visual river
Oh it’s probs to accommodate druids and hunters who can’t use swords
mint pulsar
i mean if you get set and/or wepon, you just get a huge boost compared to people who doesnt, but we will all level out
visual river
Yea season lasts like half a year or something we got plenty of time to get rating , sweating it out with glads in the trenches right now isn’t fun
Same with gear
visual river
Get 1800 now if you’re fury 😛
near delta
I just got 1800 in 2s. A ridiculous number of rogues and casters
Skullsplitter feels fine imo
woeful solstice
Yea season lasts like half a year or something we got plenty of time to get rati...
but it's great practice
best time to learn the meta imo
i understand wanting the path of least resistance but the best time to seriously get some chops is early season
my best seasons are always the ones where i push early
magic wing
Get 1800 now if you’re fury 😛
Why is fury good now ?
visual river
It’s just easy to play and on massive burst with cd which helps secure the kill
Arms is bleed build and mini burst atm with sks
near delta
i understand wanting the path of least resistance but the best time to seriously...
Playing against people better than you is the best way to improve fs
magic wing
It’s just easy to play and on massive burst with cd which helps secure the kill ...
Even with old tier ?
iron fractal
Is skullsplitter build still the way to go for arms?
near delta
Is skullsplitter build still the way to go for arms?
No one is really sure tbh.
iron fractal
No one is really sure tbh.
Are they not sure if to stay arms, or is it about what build to use as arms?
near delta
Are they not sure if to stay arms, or is it about what build to use as arms?
Some people are looking at fury. But yeah arms no one is sure which talents yet
opal acorn
U all play fury with anni and of for cleave or Os on St?
visual river
Basically in solo shuffle if you and your teams mates survive the first 1.5mins, you hit someone to 35-40% Hp and pop your avatar reck roar and that will bring them to 0 or at worst 5%
Then you execute and bloodthirst them dead, since BT is 50% more damage on targets below 35%
It’s a pseudo execute
Personal preference , 2s you’re better off going onslaught
Solo shuffle I find odyns is better so you can cleave 2 people at once with your cds
opal acorn
BT hits like a track, it actually hits way more than I thought
visual river
But looking at the current fury 4set it seems like we might change builds to raging blow to take advantage of the 4set. You lose a lot of the current anni sustain dps though
iron fractal
Been going between fury and arms in solo shuffle, I feel like I have better pressure as arms.
Crit or mastery ring?
near delta
Been going between fury and arms in solo shuffle, I feel like I have better pres...
Yea feel the same
woeful solstice
fury could take over with the 4pc being available...its much better in pvp than the arms one
versed haven
skullsplitter feels very weak now, been playing it from day 1 season 1 and now it doesn't seem worth it anymore
opal acorn
With everything nerfed wtf is even worth now
onyx marlin
skullsplitter is still worth taking it
woeful solstice
pale crow
Is the so called "mele precog" worth and if yes wich slot?
woeful solstice
boot
mild thunder
you already have something on boots
visual river
Infurious boots > melee precog if in boots
woeful solstice
isnt the boot melee precog already?
or am i thinking diff effect
(i really havent done shit this season)
visual river
Infurious boots is like 500str on stun/interupt/disrupt on a 30s cd
I read the new melee s2 PvP embellishment is really bad. We kinda have the same effect as a PvP talent with Enduring Rage (fury) , high chance to reck for 4s when snared or cc’d which is very strong
onyx marlin
so the spore cloak thing is already nerfed??
visual river
Everyone is kinda waiting to see what to do for 2nd embellishment right now
onyx marlin
yeah
iron fractal
Fury or arms for solo shuffle.. decision decisions.
onyx marlin
thing is, where can you put the gathering storm thing on?
fast yacht
anyone got arms warrior pvp rotation guides? cant try to find legit ones in youtube
visual river
Sporecloak sounds pretty nice self healing though
Yea the gathering storm thing I read was not very good atm , the buff amount gained isn’t worth
Arms rotation guide maybe check MUD’s twitch replays or else bajheera’s yt guides
onyx marlin
Sporecloak sounds pretty nice self healing though
idk 5k every 5s with 500k+ hp pools on first week... xd
fast yacht
are there any text guides? otherthan wowhead ivyveins..
visual river
Yea I meant the shield at <30% is nice lol
onyx marlin
but ive read the shield
visual river
Have you checked the pins?
onyx marlin
is nerfed by 60% in pvp already
visual river
Well then the cloak is POS then hahaha
onyx marlin
visual river
Hold onto your sparks until further notice, use one on boots for now
Best way to learn your rotation is probably just to play a lot lol, it’s more a priority with arms no?
With skull splitter you only use after colossus smash which is every 30s or so with anger management cdr
Smash, refresh rend with Rend or clap, SKS, sharpen mortal strike
Rest of the time is staying alive and pressure
gaunt notch
iron fractal
SKS?
visual river
Skull splitter
iron fractal
Oh, thought it was mortal strike before skull splitter.
To refresh the bleed effect.
visual river
Collosus smash also applies deep wound so extra mortal strike is unecxessary
A mortal strike after sks reapplies deep wound and applies sharpen
iron fractal
Ah, so smash the ground, re-apply rend, and hit with the splitter.
Then a new mortal strike with sharpen blade after.
visual river
Then sharpen mortal
Yessir
This was the rotation from bajheera when SKS was becoming a thing and it’s held quite well
iron fractal
I use unhinged, so I often smash the ground before avatar, that gives me a bladestorm, that throws away 2 mortal strikes.
visual river
Yea you need reck for this spec
opal acorn
Swap the avatar bs for reck
iron fractal
Warlords torment?
visual river
To make the bleeds from sks crit hit hard
iron fractal
So Blademasters Torment changed to Warlords torment?
opal acorn
Y
iron fractal
Got it!
opal acorn
BTW guys, I find shockwave not hitting every time. U know why?
iron fractal
Still not sure if I want to go arms or fury for solo shuffle, but so far I felt more useful as arms.
teal hedge
BTW guys, I find shockwave not hitting every time. U know why?
Some guys are immune t oit
agile aspen
arms definitely has the better kit
kindred viper
got 2h from vault, thinking of spending conquest on ring/neck/bracers or should i hold it?
iron fractal
When do you use the dragons roar? Warbreaker > Avatar > Dragons roar?
fathom loom
This is why I like crit
teal hedge
You throw troar into your opener.
iron fractal
Charge in and insta roar?
teal hedge
Nay
Considering you stack warbreaker and avatar, you'll be reckless for a while.
So just throw it into the buttons you use after avataring.
teal hedge
This is why I like crit
200+k sks says otherwise.
iron fractal
Anyone wanna explain what precog is? I keep seeing it on the forums.
iron fractal
Ah, right.
opal acorn
So how does haste work with sks? It counts as if u got more ticks?
teal hedge
Yeah, think so.
fathom loom
200+k sks says otherwise.
I've yet to see a 200k SKS in arenas, even with 30% haste
teal hedge
I mean, they're hard to pull off, so that makes sense.