Dh buffed 😂
#pvp
limber relic
4s sharpen now. I guess u have 2 use it more precis
But the 35% nerf to sks is huge
But idk if the
15% buff to rend+deepwounds compensates
fickle forge
SKS ass
onyx marlin
doesnt matter, were doing fine without sks for all s1 at 2900
inner elbow
prob not worth using anymore
limber relic
Hm
limber relic
doesnt matter, were doing fine without sks for all s1 at 2900
2900 in what
onyx marlin
You're just a hater bro, Imma go slap a 200k WW now
😂
vapid tartan
But the 35% nerf to sks is huge
The non sks roar build got a 15% buff to wounds and rend so think it will be ok?
I remember you literally called it a few days ago tho
lmaoo
limber relic
I remember you literally called it a few days ago tho
Yeah 😂😂😂
vapid tartan
maybe we will drop sks and possibly pick it back up when we get 4p?
fickle forge
Why?
vapid tartan
How many ticks on deep wounds max duration with like 25% haste?
limber relic
Why?
Yeah 4p bonus is deep wounds crits makes MS do 10% extra dmg. Stacking up 3 times
limber relic
How many ticks on deep wounds max duration with like 25% haste?
11-12 last time i checked i belive? Not sure was kinda weird
Cn check soon
fickle forge
Yeah 4p bonus is deep wounds crits makes MS do 10% extra dmg. Stacking up 3 time...
Makes somewhat sense then
But Imma continue to be an SKS hater and not use it
vapid tartan
Alright say we run like 17%ish crit +5% from bloodletting should get atleast 2 procs instantly with the sks?
limber relic
I was saying yesterday. 2x OP > Sks > sharpen ms = could 1shot
vapid tartan
Was getting that amount of crit going haste and filling off pieces with crit
fickle forge
Don't think you should stack crit ever now
You get a bunch from talent and tier, getting more when crits are already nerfed in PvP is a bunch of wasted value
limber relic
I think crit will be better later in season. Or atleast some crit
fickle forge
Just get haste and make the bleeds hit harder
Generally the more free stat you get, the worse it becomes to stack it through gear
vapid tartan
Yeah I’ve been max haste and tried mast and crit whenever I couldn’t get it
limber relic
Yes but u want some for the 4p if its not nerfed to the ground
fickle forge
You get a bunch through talents and tier
vapid tartan
I mean the sks nerf already lowers it’s power a bit
inner elbow
friendship ended with crit
fickle forge
You prob have 25% from that alone on DW
vapid tartan
Yeah 25%
limber relic
Na
vapid tartan
think with 2p you get like 13% in bstance with no crit?
mild thunder
You prob have 25% from that alone on DW
not even including the 20% crit from reck procs during burst
we seriously dont need to stack much, if any now
tawny brook
Is there a way to make this scalewarden stuff 450?
mild thunder
no
tawny brook
It is giving me mastery over haste in a slot and has that vers 2 piece bonus. Is it maybe worth using for bracers and belt as fury?
mild thunder
the wpvp tier sets dont work in instanced pvp
tawny brook
It says increases in arenas and bgs
mild thunder
the ilvl increases in arena and bgs, the tier sets dont work in instanced pvp
vapid tartan
You prob have 25% from that alone on DW
5% baseline, 3% bstance, 5% 2p and then some of the crit on tier pieces?
mild thunder
dont we have 10% baseline?
fickle forge
5% baseline, 3% bstance, 5% 2p and then some of the crit on tier pieces?
Bloodletting
If you're cheeky, you can get a few extra % from talents as well
mild thunder
tier is also only 2.5%
vapid tartan
Wait I’m stupid we have 10
Bloodletting is only on dots tho
But ms gets buffed from 4p so that’s fine prolly
fickle forge
I thought we were talking DW crit?
mild thunder
if their aim is to make bleeds useful outside of sks it would be nice to unnerf bloodletting in pvp
vapid tartan
I meant stacking crit for the ms and shit
But yeah your right that should be 15.5% crit assuming no crit pieces which seems like more than enough huh
mild thunder
just dont stack crit, it's not a good return
vapid tartan
Yeah playing around with more mast
mild thunder
for every 1% gain in stat you have, crit is giving you half the return as mastery or vers and less than half of what haste will give you
real warriors crit anyway
vapid tartan
Gonna try playing shockwave no sks n see how it feels
open glacier
Is Shockwave a thing now?
mild thunder
cockwave
opaque quarry
wavecock
vapid tartan
looks like it is 5% baseline
mild thunder
looks like you a bitch
i dont think it's the same for arms and fury tho, could be wrong
vapid tartan
are ss leaderboards updated or are top players deadass still at 2.1
hot solstice
are ss leaderboards updated or are top players deadass still at 2.1
I am 2100 but I am not top player
vapid tartan
scared to queue at 1900 xd seein lots of glad mounts
sweet solstice
im looking at top players to try and get a idea of stat weights
and its omega confuseing every 1 has totaly different %
mild thunder
because it's week 1 and people are experimenting?
oblique patrol
You can mostly play whatever spec you want rn - nerfs/buffs will be coming in frequently and nothing is set in stone yet
river walrus
I am main fury and will always be. Hit 1800 last season with fury while I was hardstuck 1500-1600 with arms lol
Fury now just needs a buff to the other builds instead of annihilator
oblique patrol
Well the more arms gets nerfed the more likely fury will outshine it - its toolkit isnt awful just has some design issues imo
My only concern for arms now is that if SKS is basically not taken, the burst of the spec will go down considerably since Mortal build (what we used early last ssn) is nerfed with the crit changes - consistent damage is fine, but its not usually what closes games out unless we go into deep dampening, need that spiky damage now days to win
mild thunder
I am main fury and will always be. Hit 1800 last season with fury while I was ha...
ick
torn zenith
quick question is the new 4set worth useing in pvp?
boreal stone
quick question is the new 4set worth useing in pvp?
for fury, yes, arms, no
vapid tartan
fury is so boring jesus i hope it doesnt become better than arms
fickle forge
whole chasm
As a BM main, i like fury being good now 
vapid tartan
They murdered arms lol
i mean there is the sks nerf but bleeds just getting stronger we'll see on tuesday
oblique patrol
Question for me would be is it better playing Sharpen or Slaughterhouse - as the damage between the 2 specs is basically the same, in a controlled area like 2s or 3s, slaughter has a insane uptime now with quite reliable 36% MS - with a sharpen nerf or around 33% it might interesting to see which you opt for
vapid tartan
Well the more arms gets nerfed the more likely fury will outshine it - its toolk...
we get spiky damage somewhat with fatality being easier to take dropping sks
but idk
sharpen always seems better its on use
plus its 50%
oblique patrol
we get spiky damage somewhat with fatality being easier to take dropping sks
fatality wont be enough in a SS environment, maybe in 2s at super dampening but i doubt it will be enough as its also nerfed with the crit changes
50% for 8 seconds per min vs 36% for probably 40sec + - seems like a tough trade off now
vapid tartan
i disagree, personally at around 18-1900 rn games tend to go later which gives more time for fatality stacks
onyx marlin
scared to queue at 1900 xd seein lots of glad mounts
doesnt matter bro, people playing with alters and have 0 clue about other roles, seen it yesterday with some warlocks that didnt even knew how to kite properly and had last season glad mount xd
craggy geyser
how tf did they murder arms
Watch muds stream he went like 20-0 after switching to fury and that’s before the nerf
vapid tartan
but the burst on fury is really strong
oblique patrol
i disagree, personally at around 18-1900 rn games tend to go later which gives m...
I feel like if arms is having to dip into Fatality to win games, then arms is going to be subject to deep damp being the win condition, in a highly dense wizard meta, idk if thats going to be a good idea
vapid tartan
I feel like if arms is having to dip into Fatality to win games, then arms is go...
thats fair enough
with full haste + mast under ava+cs my execute nomal non crit hits average 65k on dummy, obviously on a actual player it will be lower, but say even with 2 stacks of fatality giving you 30k thats a solid chunk of damage
and with reck our crit chance is increased
i cant wait till tuesday to try it out tbh
oblique patrol
SKS nerf is scary enough since its our only go to burst condition after crit nerfs - if we have to dip back into stacking crit just to occasionally land a 150k MS crit, its not going to feel great.. but the Sharpen nerf is a bit of a nail in the coffin imo, as it was one of the only good reasons to play Arms over Fury
Fully agree that we can land good hits, but with players HP pools going to 550k+ soon, double dipping into our big hit being when the target is sub 30% is going to feel ass, we need burst elsewhere in order to be able to close games out
mild thunder
It will
the arms nerfs are seriously not a big deal
anyone coping that sks didnt need nerfs is delusional
vapid tartan
yeah true, i think once we get 4p sks will be strong with the nerf since it can proc our 4p super fast
void dawn
What am i missing to make Sks hit that hard?
Cause I feel like I was doin solid damage but nowhere near those numbers
vapid tartan
SKS nerf is scary enough since its our only go to burst condition after crit ner...
i think with 4p, we can almost garuntee a 20% ms buff likely 30% after sks added on with a sharpen
mild thunder
What am i missing to make Sks hit that hard?
chad energy
vapid tartan
but then again fury 4p seems real strong so
oblique patrol
In a controlled environment you might hit 70-0 with things like PI/heroism etc, but that isnt always available to the avg player imo
mild thunder
i think with 4p, we can almost garuntee a 20% ms buff likely 30% after sks added...
tier is nerfed by 50%... how do people not know this yet?
vapid tartan
damnit i keep forgetting this
vapid tartan
i saw that video with the fury 4p burst
mild thunder
fury 4p isn't that amazing either given that it's crit-based and also nerfed by 50%
vapid tartan
fury 4p isn't that amazing either given that it's crit-based and also nerfed by ...
hm so you think arms still comes out ahead?
void dawn
Seems like it will be hella consistent damage tho
mild thunder
even if fury did more dmg, it offers half the utility arms does
void dawn
36% heal reduction seeming pretty solid to me
onyx marlin
real warriors play arms, dont matter how bad it is
mild thunder
SL fury was different - the spec still had bladestorm, had rb charge and had fleshcraft which more than made up for losing out on dbs and banner
craggy geyser
36% heal reduction seeming pretty solid to me
What does?
mild thunder
I thought fury had good utility especially in an RBG setting
fury offers no unique utility
literally none
void dawn
What does?
The rampage debuff that stacks like 12 times or whatever that lowers healing taken
vapid tartan
yeah banner and dbs is real useful
mild thunder
intervening as fury in 3s is a death sentence
oblique patrol
In a rbg setting fury offers higher mobility - but in arena arms usually has the better design
vapid tartan
theres no way blizz lets fury be better than arms in pve and pvp i hope
i just wanna ms bro
mild thunder
arms is so low mobility, it only has 2 charges, short CD leap, bladestorm, root break and two stuns to lock targets down 
mint pulsar
Yeah we need a 3rd charge
Ops we have that if healer plays on top of em, or 2nd dps 😉
void dawn
maybe a 4th one just to be safe
oblique patrol
arms is so low mobility, it only has 2 charges, short CD leap, bladestorm, root ...
Its not that arms has low mobility, in a rbg setting fury just has more with the use of Barbarian and Evoker leap reset, grants 4 leaps in 1 go
in arena they are roughly the same
void dawn
imagine if blizz made leap deal solid damage
vapid tartan
fury seems better in 2s i think
void dawn
like playing a d3 barb
vapid tartan
dont think you can really take shockwave on fury right?
craggy geyser
fury seems better in 2s i think
Yeah Mud slayed last night with it apparently
oblique patrol
fury seems better in 2s i think
Fury probs will be better imo in 2s, having a reliable root break to counter Hunters etc is always nice, but your MS is like 80% uptime at 36%
3s we just dont know yet
craggy geyser
Fury probs will be better imo in 2s, having a reliable root break to counter Hun...
I play 2s and RBG…. Is fury the shout?
vapid tartan
yeah didn’t play many games it felt braindead easy in 2s, in 3s found myself wishing I was playing arms when facing opponents with a brain
craggy geyser
I really don’t know. Im super casual player tbh
craggy geyser
yeah didn’t play many games it felt braindead easy in 2s, in 3s found myself wis...
How about BG/RBG
oblique patrol
I play 2s and RBG…. Is fury the shout?
in rbg atleast, Fury for FC maps 100%, for the other maps arms is normally the go to spec, but with Splitter nerfs i think Fury will be stronger, in rbg you legit rely on splitter to kill someone or you are a shit feral
craggy geyser
in rbg atleast, Fury for FC maps 100%, for the other maps arms is normally the g...
So as of now it’s Arms unless I’m an FC setting…. Or playing 2s?
vapid tartan
yeah it did
mild thunder
Yeah Mud slayed last night with it apparently
a r1 player beating people doesnt really mean anything lol
oblique patrol
So as of now it’s Arms unless I’m an FC setting…. Or playing 2s?
id probs suggest fury in 2s after Tuesday, i cant see playing 80% damp games being particularly fun, played arms in 2s this week and its a miserable experience at high mmr
vapid tartan
Same experience in 3s?
craggy geyser
Yeah I bounce to 3s or I’m trying to get a team for it. Would you say the same for that? I can’t see why not
oblique patrol
3s probably still arms
vapid tartan
I mean arms seems to always be the safe bet for 3s
oblique patrol
toolkit is still good
If arms damage goes in the gutter then you would swap out for Fury, but otherwise arms is typically the best 3s spec
It just depends for me how our burst looks after reset, if it looks awful then its going to feel really sad to play arms just to try and push people into dampen to win
craggy geyser
Yeah that makes sense
oblique patrol
id 100% prefer to play fury and hit people hard and have fun, than to sit in 8 min games trying to dampen a wizard that is kiting me :))
craggy geyser
I may just switch and run it out this season across the board….
urban skiff
Watch muds stream he went like 20-0 after switching to fury and that’s before th...
anyone got a link to this?
I just want to fury
oblique patrol
Mhmm ill be testing fury in 2s this week probs and defo in rbgs to see how it stands - arms games in 2s just suck rn with all the wizards haha
urban skiff
Mudcx? because his last vod on twitch looks like arms
ah nevermind, it's midway through
What should we craft first? Update boots or pick up the cc -> bigger dam on some big piece like chest?
oblique patrol
What should we craft first? Update boots or pick up the cc -> bigger dam on some...
Primary stat boots - proc on every bolt is just great
Plus the mastery stat is looking more and more desirable now if you like to play fury aswell as arms
urban skiff
My SS mmr was crazy high and I'm sitting a lot of cc
so I guess it depends on which raises my damage more when I finally get out of bullshit and get to rip
guess it doesn't matter all that much, just a few more days until next spark and we can get both
plus first vault dropping tier in a slot i crafted is going to suck
river walrus
Fury is just way more fun to play in my opinion. Never really liked arms
oblique patrol
Fury is just way more fun to play in my opinion. Never really liked arms
Depends on the meta for me, both specs are really fun in their own rights - in a melee cleave dom meta, i love playing arms, you just shred people, but in a wizard dom meta, much rather play fury
In rbg its similar, if im teamfighting mostly, prefer to play arms, but if im objective and doing stuff on other bases, fury is really fun for that
urban skiff
i feel like I don't handle wizard cleaves well as fury.
playing with a destro I just sit dstance and put slaughterhouse on whatever they want dead
craggy geyser
apparently fury does real well against wizard
urban skiff
road to success
oblique patrol
You lack bladestorm now so that makes it tougher, but Bloodrage is really nice on demand root break - your defensive is better than DBTS vs specifically caster lobbys
urban skiff
only if they have pets
oblique patrol
your burst doesnt require a setup either as fury, just bang and send, really nice vs casters who will kite your setup as arms
urban skiff
I mean it's still baseline DR vs casters but if they're any good at keeping you slowed you won't selfheal and miss out of half the benefit of ER
And bloodrage isn't very good, slows in most cases gets reapplied instantly
I'm at the point where I'd rather play the new Spell Reflect talent
oblique patrol
that is a downside yes, but dbts gives parry thats useless anyway vs a caster, much rather heal more healing for when i can connect
urban skiff
but I'm a dumbass so I can only talk about what it's like at low ratings
oblique patrol
snares are always a issue as warrior in general, bloodrage breaks the roots which is insane on a short cd - but you take Enduring Rage now so the more you get slowed, the more enrage procs you are getting, which in turn gives you incredible damage
vapid tartan
Lol fury is fine into melee just swap to shield
urban skiff
snares are always a issue as warrior in general, bloodrage breaks the roots whic...
and Damage Reduction
urban skiff
Lol fury is fine into melee just swap to shield
any general rules on thumb on when to shield and when to rip?
vapid tartan
any general rules on thumb on when to shield and when to rip?
No u never use a shield
urban skiff
I'm confused
vapid tartan
i was joking
craggy geyser
I was reading shield and I’m like wtf?
vapid tartan
but you can swap to shield for shield bash tho
urban skiff
Wasn't there some guy who played fury early in s1 who was swapping shield and wildly successful?
vapid tartan
sorry shield block*
craggy geyser
but you can swap to shield for shield bash tho
Troll
vapid tartan
blocks all melee for 6s wym
vapid tartan
just do it if youre already 4 wins in a shuffle and the healer is mad
oblique patrol
Yeahh, you dont get any of the modifiers for Shield Block or Shield Slam to consider putting it on as Fury/Arms as they are all locked in the Prot only talent tree
craggy geyser
@vapid tartan is trolling lol
oblique patrol
Yeahh i know 😛
vapid tartan
i will hit 2.4k with a shield one day just wait
oblique patrol
i nearly did last season in shuffle tbf
was alright
think i got like 2.3 with under 100 shuffle games
vapid tartan
really? how much did you piss people off
oblique patrol
played 80% damp every game and just made my team immortal, so many players were triggered
vapid tartan
i can imagine
oblique patrol
Could of defo gotten to 2.4 but sadly didnt have the time to play it more
vapid tartan
had a tank lobby with an ele before they got diglett poor guy just got trained 0-6
oblique patrol
feelsbadman xd
urban skiff
how does untalented blocks even work? Just reduce damage by shield block value?
vapid tartan
optimal stats for fury
vapid tartan
yeah once you hit about 80% it feels real good
vapid tartan
what rating?
craggy geyser
96% lol
urban skiff
i have not seen another melee in soloQ yet
first lobby was mage + destro + hunter
vapid tartan
ive had only caster lobbies
its been wierd in ss, either a triple caster or triple melee
urban skiff
was really sweaty
oblique patrol
ive had only caster lobbies
I was doing some SS when i went for 1.8 on first day, and legit it was casters only, and they do soo much damage its disgusting
urban skiff
my MMR started out at like 2k and i was facing people with 1700+ ratings
all casters, experts at kiting
and overlapping cc
vapid tartan
yeah its deflated rn
urban skiff
i just want to ape out on some fellow dumbasses
vapid tartan
i was somehow 25 on leaderboard at 1900 a couple days ago
think ppl just arent playing
urban skiff
miss me with these highly coordinated tactical casters
vapid tartan
probably will inflate when conq gets uncapped?
urban skiff
where do i see the leader board?
why are all the current fury warriors just all over the place with stat distribution?
everyone says to stack mastery but i see many stacking haste and many others who just have like 1.2k of each?
keen stone
any one else kinda like wtf to sharpen 2sec nerf? or just me
mild thunder
😠 me when arms gets nerfed (we were only S tier)
oblique patrol
everyone says to stack mastery but i see many stacking haste and many others who...
Haste is nice to reduce your cd on Bloodthirst etc, so you want some of it for sure - mastery is just a pure damage increase because Enrage is almost 100% uptime now days, so id prio Vers > Mastery > Haste
The only time haste should outway that decision as fury, is if you are having issues keeping Enraged - to which then you want haste to try and ease that like we did in S1
dark sparrow
Kinda sad about the nerfs because yes bleeds are now stronger, we have like 0 burst now
oblique patrol
I just see it as why play arms when you can play a feral druid if the goal is to just bleed people xd
dark sparrow
Feral has more burst 
mild thunder
Feral has more burst <:keks:936231610850897992>
is this supposed to be an own?? feral has great burst lol
urban skiff
Haste is nice to reduce your cd on Bloodthirst etc, so you want some of it for s...
I get the theory, but when looking at the top players on murlok.io almost none are stacking mastery in any capacity. At most they're taking it in non-haste slots?
i assume they're excellent arms warriors just dropping into fury stuff just for leaderboard reasons without changing gear
just questioning if there's a sizeable gap between theory and practice
river walrus
I looked up top players as well and came to conclusion it's nice to have a balance between haste and mastery for fury
urban skiff
they're certainly not held back by not stacking mastery
river walrus
Yeah, I always aim for at least 25% haste on fury
urban skiff
my s1 set was also a nice mixture and s2 fury feels notably worse to me
river walrus
But having 30% haste, 30%mastery and the rest on vers is probably good
urban skiff
my statsplit between haste and mastery is 1:3
ratings
really wish inventory had a button to press to see stats when pvp is enabled
oblique patrol
I get the theory, but when looking at the top players on murlok.io almost none a...
Hard to gauge rn - most are just testing stuff, so a solid build wont really be laid out for us yet imo - best thing you can do is watch rank1 players on stream and get a idea from what they are doing - Mud is a good example if you are a NA player as he streams around those time frames what i can tell
urban skiff
yeah i'm going to start doing that
still holding off on committing the finite resources. Knowing my luck I'll get a weapon next vault
in s1 i got weapon first two weeks
oblique patrol
Regardless of what spec you end up playing, we should all be saving Conquest for weapon next week on the chance we dont get it in vault - the Strife tokens you can either use or keep its up to you really, that gear gets replaced long term anyways
urban skiff
yea I'm working on an excel that'll tell me the optimal path to full gear based on current options and equipment
I'm calling it now, fury will randomly get better than arms midway through season
not because of changes to fury, but other changes to the meta
oblique patrol
Mhmm you should be fine then - fury has been under-performing since the expansion came out, arms however has been dominating - so despite what die hard arms players want to admit, fury will likely come to shine sooner rather than later as all the attention is on buffing fury, and nerfing arms rn
Look at enhance for example, struggled for a long while, and now its creeping up slowly but surely
Same with Fire mage
urban skiff
enh is one of those specs that gets murdered as soon as it gets good though
oblique patrol
It does thats true, but despite that - if something is doing bad its in blizzards best interest to buff it up and nerf stuff thats doing too well - in a ideal world Fury and Arms would be as good as eachother but excel in specific situations to make both as viable, but Blizzard has never been good at doing that tbh
oblique patrol
Mhmm true, but the more PvE you end up giving it, the more viable it will eventually become
vapid tartan
Yeah fury’s supposed to be really good for pve this tier
Hopefully arms still comes out on top tuesday lul
vapid tartan
Prot
left galleon
:/
oblique patrol
i just want to reach 2.1k
Unless you are like multi glad you probs wont get 2.1 this week im afraid - and if thats the case wait till Tuesday and more info will be available
Nerfs might make fury a good choice, but we dont really know yet
indigo barn
left galleon
Nerfs might make fury a good choice, but we dont really know yet
k so for now arms is better?
and what is the build
vapid tartan
urban skiff
left galleon
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thx
left galleon
fury should get a discount on 2h weapons
true
crystal tulip
anyone know any crafter on eu that can craft warboots?
urban skiff
anyone know any crafter on eu that can craft warboots?
depends on how well you need them made
crystal tulip
does skill matter if i add the pvp itemlevel thing?
urban skiff
pvp level is constant
crystal tulip
aye so it's only pve level outside of that yeah?
urban skiff
but tbh i'd just make a public order and set reward to 500-1500g
warm portal
aye so it's only pve level outside of that yeah?
Quality only changes the pve ilvl yes
crystal tulip
ah yeah makes sense
urban skiff
I recrated my own boots to r5 but have no idea if there's anything preventing me from making new ones for people
i guess i could try and make yours
crystal tulip
would really appreciate that
urban skiff
send order to Zercher i'm horde eu tarren mill, don't think horde/alliance matters. Not sure about server clusters though
no worry about tip
crystal tulip
Hm, says player doesn't exist
urban skiff
guess server cluster matters then :/
crystal tulip
tried Zercher-TarrenMill and with a space on the server
rough
trying public then
thanks for trying to help
left galleon
in which slot?
urban skiff
depends on vault first and changes when conq unlocks cap
jolly lance
Am I trolling if I put stam gem as a fury warrior to increase survivability? This is already would be for the LULs, but I am wondering if other people can come with any value to doing this.
urban skiff
it's your character. it's never trolling to build how you like it
jolly lance
Would I be losing a lot of damage, I swear gems were nerfed this patch.
stark reef
Fury should not have any issues with survivability in arenas - assuming this is what you’re playing?
You also really want to take advantage of the pvp verse multiplier
So yes, not taking verse will definitely be a net loss to character strength
urban skiff
aren't there stam vers gems?
jolly lance
Another question. Is shadowflame enchant nerfed? It is the new enchant that adds a 12sec dot.
stark reef
aren't there stam vers gems?
If there are verse stam should not be a big loss, yeah
jolly lance
Seems like a good trade if we are in caster meta now. Was thinking going that with shadowflame enchant.
Once I switch to fury.
urban skiff
so roughly 2.5% mastery for fury for 381 stam (+0.05% with endurance training)
so 4.2k hp (or 0.7% hp increase)
worthy fern
I saw pika play shadow flame on rogue and it was doing like 5-10 percent total dam
urban skiff
I'm playing double sophic right now. A bit hard to quantify the proc because I don't at all keep track of it for doing my pve rotation
worthy fern
I actually struggle decently into arms
Disarm doom winds
Kite then
And hard swaps after wall is gone are good
undone pumice
kill them
gray umbra
it seems if they have a boomie
were just fucked
so hard
from the start
do u always go lock even fi theres a boomie..
stark reef
Boomy just train, force bear, win game
The ego's are out in force rn "trust me bro, i'm 2.9, no, shut up, i'm 2.8, yo, wtf"
Had a 4/2 meele cleave just now w/ DH, Monk, Arms - me and DH got 4/2, monk and arms got 2/4
Ran Mastery w/ imp whirlwind - liked it a lot
Not seeing any top fury wars run shockwave atm but really liking it, getting plenty 2 and 3 stuns
gray umbra
lul fury
gray umbra
The ego's are out in force rn <:keks:936231610850897992> "trust me bro, i'm 2.9...
do u just let the warlock cast on u if there triangle'ing you
seems so hard to get any kind of positioning agaisnt boomie/lock or boomie/mage
stark reef
Yes, whenever I see a caster i instantly lose, usually logging out right there
gray umbra
and ar eu playing demolition against lock
LOL
right
FUICK
hard to believe that like 2.5 wweeks ago ret was op af and it was nothing but rets and fistweavers
now its nothignb ut boomies locks and mages and disc/rsham
stark reef
idk chief, not really struggling that much into casters
gray umbra
what comp are uj playing
maybe my enh shammy just sucks
we dont stand a chance against boomie/lock
stark reef
solo
gray umbra
oh, nevermind.
green anchor
river walrus
You guys are forgetting spriest...they are pumping some nasty damage
gray umbra
ya boomie/spriest or shadowplay is a bitch too
spriest used to alaways be the target agiasnt shadowplay but idk
think lock is now
river walrus
Got into a Soloq with my fury against desrro lock, bommy and spriest. It was a freaking nightmare to keep uptime
gray umbra
i mean solo q is a nightmare in general
stark reef
Solo is all you - playing with random strangers and pretending it's your team-mate is a nightmare
You literally said "maybe my enh shaman is bad"
Happy Birthday, you're playing solo with a random you don't even trust
stark reef
🤣
gray umbra
i mean, weve been playing in voice chat for a good 3 weeks straight now with my best friend
actual can strategize
stark reef
You're in here crying every day about the meta, don't trust your team-mates, now brag about your bracket?
What is it? Are you winning son?
stark reef
maybe my enh shammy just sucks
💀
gray umbra
?
stark reef
were just fucked
gray umbra
deflecting
stark reef
Oh, that wasn't you?
gray umbra
no idea what yhoure talking about
stark reef
ALL THESE CASTERWEAVES ARE AIDS AS TURBO
🤣
stark reef
The real arena with "the enh shaman who might be bad"?
yeah, miss me with that shit
lmao
gray umbra
hes 100% bettter than some random SS player whose too bad or antisocial to get a team
hes also one of like 5 people i play with
worthy fern
Playing ss doesn’t mean I’m anti social it means I’m the only one out of my pvp group that still plays the game
stark reef
SS is easy access to a competitive pvp mode and tbh, probably even a better way to get your feet in the water and find someone in your rating bracket to play 2s or 3s with if you'd like
If you're so good just play solo to 3k+ and find a team-mate in there for 2s and 3s
desert otter
stark reef
But I guess 3k rated solo-players = 1.5k rated in 3s so maybe play to 4k solo
hazy isle
hes 100% bettter than some random SS player whose too bad or antisocial to get a...
beyond based, ss andies need to be bullied
stark reef
3s andis play in a pool if 200 players
that's the bullying right there
it got so bad that blizzard has to incentivize players to play 2s and 3s with currency but newsflash, it won't work
enjoy your dying bracket
stark reef
bitch please
worthy fern
@stark reef issue is shuffle is a terrible way to get better at pvp
It’s not at all indicative of actual rated 3s skill
I like shuffle but it’s just not at all the same
You just have to play the best game you can and hope for the best
craggy geyser
anyone have the intervene macro they can share?
stark reef
<@267069849723863041> issue is shuffle is a terrible way to get better at pvp
But 3k shuffle lobbies are stacked with 3s glads
So even if it doesn't translate 1 to 1, you get to actually play with the pros
Can make connections
hazy isle
"whats versatility and haste? discord builds? haha I dont know anything about that bro, I just use the gear with the highest numbers that I got from doing dungeons with my friends to pvp "
craggy geyser
ty
worthy fern
@craggy geyser I don’t have it cause not at pc but there is a charge hamstring and mouse over intervene macro that’s really good
Charge if out of range and targeting enemy, hamstring if In melee and then mouse over intervene
craggy geyser
<@227234692955373568> I don’t have it cause not at pc but there is a charge hams...
i could use that for sure
sage raptor
yall got any fury builds cooking up?
stark reef
Yeah, will link in a sec - use at your own risk
Sgl target:
BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICKJAR0kCCJRDEkIBEJBkkkESiEJJRapkkAkEAAAEQQA
Cleave:
BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICaJAR0kCCJRDEkIBEJBSSSSIJSESkWaJJgkEAAAEQQA
lean night
That set could have been so much better if they didn’t use the same boring red/white colors
Trade the red for dark blue and its 🔥
stark reef
I’d like wings like that lock set that come out when I jump
stark reef
That does look nice for non-gnomes
teal hedge
Why do I look like a garden gnome?
Tallest mainland dane
sage raptor
Yeah, will link in a sec - use at your own risk
thanks
lean night
That does look nice for non-gnomes
They have the tint in game but they never made it an actual item
This one too
quaint ruin
Guess i fucked up big time if i didnt craft embelishment gear with the 450 upgrade in the crafting order right? doesnt appear possible to "use" the upgrade on the item itself afterwards
royal rose
Damn can't get conquest from solo shuffle if someone leaves? I won 5/5 games and they left before the 6th lol
craggy geyser
isnt that stupid af?
royal rose
It really is
Man I really need to try haste > crit > mastery.. idk I neverrrr crit man lol
lean night
Im gunna be trying crit/vers spear build again tues
mortal gulch
hello guys. Sorry for dumb newbie questions. So i'm a newbie 70 warrior (switched to warr with 10.1) and wanted to understand simple rotation stuff: So i understand my main rotation should be MS, Overpower, Execute, Rend, Skullsplitter, Hamstring and Roar (please correct if not). However, i feel like i have many offensive cds (bladestorm, avatar, c smash) as well as defensive cds (die by the sword, fear, ...). So what i want to understand is: What are my offensive cd rotations? i guess i shouldnt use every cd after each other, right? Also, which defensive cd in which situation?
stark reef
If you are new focus on pressing your biggest CD's as fast as possible.
Open Csmash/Warbreaker, then use macro to pop all offensive CD's on kill target.
Big mistake a lot of new players make is holding CD's to long
lean night
hello guys. Sorry for dumb newbie questions. So i'm a newbie 70 warrior (switch...
you only want to use sks during csmash
otherwise it's a waste
mortal gulch
SKS?
stark reef
Also, don't use sks if you're new
mortal gulch
If you are new focus on pressing your biggest CD's as fast as possible.
Open C...
okay
stark reef
okay
Csmash/Warbreaker into this:
#showtooltip Avatar
/use 14
/cast Sharpen Blade
/cast Thunderous Roar
/cast Avatar
stark reef
/use 14 is active trinket, if it's in 13 make it /use 13
mortal gulch
thx. Why dont use SKS as a newbie?
royal rose
Lmao ALL the top rated solo shuffle players are casters
worthy fern
@craggy geyser #showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast Hamstring
lean night
stark reef
thx. Why dont use SKS as a newbie?
bloats rotation and is a dps loss if you mess it up
focus on the basics first
craggy geyser
<@227234692955373568> #showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@mouseov...
Thanks bro!
@worthy fern is it possible to use the second part of that for hamstring / charge?
If I’m using intervene party 1/2 macro?
stark reef
I use mouseover intervene on raidframes, another option
But that's totally preferenec
iron fractal
If I do solo shuffle, should I go fury or arms?
mortal gulch
bloats rotation and is a dps loss if you mess it up
can oyu briefly explain the main rotation for me?
craggy geyser
If I do solo shuffle, should I go fury or arms?
I just ran 2s as fury and was melting people
stark reef
can oyu briefly explain the main rotation for me?
There is plenty guides on this - youtube/bajheera
wheat moon
is this the 2.4 elite you buy or is the 9/9 upgrade for the sword?
lean night
is this the 2.4 elite you buy or is the 9/9 upgrade for the sword?
it should be the elite you buy but the item itself isnt in the game
iron fractal
I just ran 2s as fury and was melting people
Never done solo shuffle, but I tend to jump between fury and arms when pvping.
lean night
blizzard forgot to add the conquest sword/elite sword
been trying to get something out of the devs to no avail
mortal gulch
There is plenty guides on this - youtube/bajheera
thx
wheat moon
blizzard forgot to add the conquest sword/elite sword
yeah i was looking for it. Season 1 had much more weapons in that shop
thick reef
Kill me please
hot solstice
400 games....damn
thick reef
Gotta farm honor levels
whole chasm
Kill me please
did you fix her?
mortal gulch
There is plenty guides on this - youtube/bajheera
can you recommend a warrior guide?
stark reef
brother please use google
craggy geyser
Lmfaoooooooo
dark sparrow
Into someone with 500k + hp now, that isn’t even that big sadly
urban skiff
#showtooltip
/use [@party1] Intervene
does the same without targetswapping. So it won't bug out.
Yeah, it does that
it never changes your target to begin with. It just casts intervene on party1
iron fractal
Thunderous roar is better than spear of bastion for solo shuffle?
rotund trellis
ladder experience in a nutshell. and I wonder why people go ss:
obv immediately blocked and
btw dude's best is 1454
undone pumice
ladder experience is that, leaving after 1 loss, and losing 300 rating because a dude cant press buttons
rotund trellis
we didn't even play a gam! lol
worthy fern
Shuffle experience is a lock getting shit on all game but he’s got one win with you, last game is with the lock and he afks because the healer said he was ranging him
Making me go 3-3
iron fractal
Improved Execute or Fueled by violence..
stark reef
Shuffle experience is a lock getting shit on all game but he’s got one win with ...
Just had a destro go 0/6 myself
unique fox
Whats feeling better in shuffle rn, arms or fury?
stark reef
I have only played fury and it feels great with mastery, arms has more players above 2100
Arms def net better atm
Tbh, I think sks nerfs will level the playing field - might be wrong
sage raptor
Fury do be feeling good
stark reef
Fury do be feeling good
You like the shockwave build?
Didn’t see it on the ladder but mud suggested and it def slaps
stark reef
F (who?)
wheat jay
doesn't matter who
sinful condor
Do you guys suffer vs dev evokers? They feel untouchable but I’ve only heard the opposite
sage raptor
You like the shockwave build?
I do.
restive sparrow
Is there a good talent build for Arms
stark reef
Plenty - pins are up to date for arms I think
lament belfry
You like the shockwave build?
I've seen some of it on arms
Though I do wonder if Bahjeera is going to release some talent builds and talks about it
Since a lot of his builds are pretty good especially playing with the onslaught one in 10.0.7
stark reef
I’d love an onslaught build with raging blow be viable but hard to beat the constant healing from bloodbath
I played onslaught in S1 for a bit but was clearly worse - actually squishy then and constantly forced into dstance
sage raptor
I love the way the raging blow build feels honestly
stark reef
With bloodthirst I barely ever feel pressured and often don’t use enrage regen in first 2min
Victory rush + bloodthirst pretty much 75% health all game
Throw in the occasional dstance if you’re kited or have everything on cd and you’re golden
unique fox
Has anyone tried the fury 4 set yet? Does it apply 4 stacks of the bonus per rampage or just one?
unique fox
I would assume its 4 then otherwise its trash
stark reef
Yeah, prob like slaughterhouse
iron fractal
Can't decide if I wanna do solo shuffle as arms or fury yet.
sage raptor
Fury feels pretty good, if you want an opinion.
frail badge
You can always swap, rating is completely separate
What? I'm 1600 in soli as arms and was going to swap to fury as arms feels like shit and it's being be nerfed now. Does that mean I'll start at 0 rating for furry? Not a big deal if so but I did not know that
stark reef
Yes
dark sparrow
F in the chat for the fallen please
F
stark reef
What? I'm 1600 in soli as arms and was going to swap to fury as arms feels like ...
You start at 0 but can always go back to arms where you’ll keep your 1600
dark sparrow
He finally rerolled feral so you can play jungle instead of KFC?
frail badge
You start at 0 but can always go back to arms where you’ll keep your 1600
OK thank you
stark reef
Whatever spec you are when you press “queue now” is the spec you’ll be in the arena, even if you queue up as fury and then go arms for landscape or stuff
If you’re unsure and want to try both go verse, haste. Works for both quite well
frail badge
If you’re unsure and want to try both go verse, haste. Works for both quite well
Thanks I have full honor gear as that already as I geared for arms
stark reef
Ez
iron fractal
Improved execute or Fueled by violence?
stark reef
Imo imp execute but personally not up to date on arms builds
iron fractal
I use the skull splitter build so Fueled by violence does more healing.
dapper cypress
hey guys feeling right now as the biggest noob around 1600
as arms disc should we focus heal or dd?
struggling hard against furys and other comps
dark sparrow
hey guys feeling right now as the biggest noob around 1600
as arms disc should w...
Depends, just watch @elfin surge his stream/vods, because ideally you pressure healer when vs fury so they stack and you can cleave but sometimes you need to help your healer etc so no dry cut answer
vapid tartan
hey guys feeling right now as the biggest noob around 1600
as arms disc should w...
Disarm/cc then on reck or avatar, bait out a defensive, then cc and go
How y’all doing this morning
stark reef
hey guys feeling right now as the biggest noob around 1600
as arms disc should w...
Not an expert but from everything I’ve seen 2s specifically really focus on value over everything - meaning using your skills most effectively over a game makes a major different - shuffle on the other hand is more about tempo
vapid tartan
Yes 2s is kinda cheesy
But it makes sure your rotation is efficient and you react
I like it for warming up
stark reef
What @dark sparrow said - manipulating positing to hit both targets with your cleave whilst denying enemy warrior to cleave you and healer will eventually win you the game - better timing on cc/disarms, ofc, to
Double fear over sgl target fear, all that
vapid tartan
Fury just shits on you in 2s if they get that uptime
stark reef
Shuffle you just try to be ahead on CDs, if yours come up 5sec faster you have a massive advantage for those 5sec later on
2s I’d prob hold things more for max efficiency
vapid tartan
Yeah, something I found nice was keeping em slowed, then bursting with dbs and trying to bait their disarm
You’d be surprised how many times it works
Same thing with banner, can try and scare them into disarming you and have it only be like 2 secs
stark reef
Another part of playing for value is not hitting target with damage reduction
Seeing a lot of swaps in 2s, more than you would in shuffle
stark reef
Maybe I’m to low rated in shuffle to see those types of lobbies though, those 3k+ lobbies looked to play similar
vapid tartan
Nah I w definitely seen what you’re saying
dapper cypress
i took
sharpening blade
warbringer and rebound
should i swap warbringer?
vapid tartan
Prolly don’t want rebound eother
dark sparrow
man what to do against boomies
You see them incarn, either start los or press your defensives
tawny brook
Is battle trance, slaughterhouse, and enduring rage the best general pvp talents setup?
When do I switch in disarm or warbringer and for which? All 3 seems good
stark reef
I’ve been running those 3 without ever changing - slaughterhouse is baseline and the value you get from battle trance and enduring rage beats the other talents in my opinion, especially now that games are longer
vapid tartan
stark reef
Tried disarm early on but not having battle trance or enduring rage just seemed shit. Warbringer is ok but with the amount of micro ccs it dr’s super hard and the damage is gonzo
stark reef
Yeah, it’s early but that’s definitely a great start
limber relic
Dont take this away from me
stark reef
I am not, I hit #23 earlier and was hyped, myself
limber relic
😂
stark reef
My team mates debating who’s glad was bought and who’s wasn’t and I’m just out here chilling with my 0 3s games
🤝
limber relic
😂😂😂
My last ss first game lasted literally 10s
Ava>Charge>rend>sks>ms ded
Shit im r16
Not bad 🤔
iron fractal
Gonna try arms at first in solo shuffle, and then go fury if I get bonked too hard.
tawny brook
If something in this game is more satisfying than hitting all 3 enemies with the giga button on fury and stunning their healer, I haven’t found it
vapid tartan
Hm. Rank 20 eu on ss
How did queues feel? And is that around 2100?
iron fractal
If something in this game is more satisfying than hitting all 3 enemies with the...
Odyns fury?
tawny brook
The thunderous roar macro that does recklessness and avatar and thunderous roar
Human can add their damage trinket to that macro as well
I don’t do that last line though
It is just /cast Thunderous Roar for me as the last
vapid tartan
Yeah dropping that late round is so much pressure
tawny brook
Yea the second cast of that macro ends it
vapid tartan
elfin surge
stolen from me
sharp meteor
rerolled fury
Say it ain't so.
wheat jay
Y'all surprised?
Mud has r1 to secure and people to entertain on streams, man cant be going monke with weak specs
Gotta play meta and gotta play it well
elfin surge
Unholy death knight
wheat jay
Petkick?
elfin surge
yea
wheat jay
Man's too good for you
wheat jay
You don't deserve the Chadkick
stark reef
rerolled fury
iron fractal
Did my first shuffle as arms and won 5 - 1
The warlock sounded a bit mad when he was on my team.
teal hedge
And just like that Sweden won the great battleground in Eurpåe
*Europe
Ez eurovision win
tawny brook
And just like that Sweden won the great battleground in Eurpåe
Got a little nationalism in ya. Eurocucks lose the swede chads?
teal hedge
Huh?
tawny brook
Cheering for your country right
teal hedge
Yeah
Sweden won by like 60 points
Finland in second place
I prefered Finland, but winning is cool 😎
limber relic
How did queues feel? And is that around 2100?
2100 yeah. feels like 1550
tawny brook
If I could have a million dollars or be instantly fluent and live in somewhere like Switzerland I would take the fluent and over there
I need to escape this USA carnival show lol
teal hedge
Switzerland has one of the highest tax-rates and social-welfare systems in the world.
But yeah, the alps are beautiful
tawny brook
USA refugee status
stark reef
Switzerland best country no doubt
stark reef
Grew up on the border, swizz people always coming over and buying half the electronic store on their regular income
teal hedge
I'd honestly say Norway > Switzerland
stark reef
Nope, Swizz people are stupid rich
tawny brook
Nice
teal hedge
Yeah, b ut they're still swiss
No amount of wealth can change this
Norwegians are fine, they're just like us swedes
stark reef
You seen swizz women?
stark reef
Even their cows are pretty
tawny brook
A country can fly like that when they don’t spend every penny babysitting
USA is fucked in that regard
stark reef
Switzerland only country that understands investing in itself over doing rando wars in the middle of nowhere
teal hedge
I mean, you want a high standard of living every nordic country and most western-european countries are good
Avoid france, the uk, spain, portugal and italy and you'll be fine
stark reef
USA is fucked in that regard
US cities looking like 3rd world countries whilst all the countries income is literally blown up in the desert
Sorry, we can’t fix public transportation, gotta bomb some brown kids somewhere
tawny brook
UK and France were no go for me a long time ago
stark reef
French people have bad hygiene
tawny brook
The US is also insanely huge
stark reef
And UK is UK - their “cuisine” says it all
teal hedge
Swedish cuisine is crazy
tawny brook
French Canadians used to come down in summers in Maine and get a pet for that summer and just close it in a house and leave
stark reef
teal hedge
We also have a bunch of the european staples - blood pudding, different sausages containing organs etc
stark reef
That’s not as bad as whatever the British are making
tawny brook
My mom had pet ducks and the canacuck french kids thought it was just hilarious to throw bricks on them
tawny brook
Fuck canada and especially the french
limber relic
im gliding in on a räckmacka
limber relic
toast n beans
stark reef
That’s a violation if I’ve ever seen one
stark reef
limber relic
tawny brook
Lmao
limber relic
its not bad ngl
near delta
Arms is getting nerfed its over
I'm still not sure sure if you're trolling. lol
limber relic
I'm _still_ not sure sure if you're trolling. lol
they are
u thought pinapple on pizza is bad?
this is popular pizza
vapid tartan
u thought pinapple on pizza is bad?
Pineapple belongs on pizza
near delta
Fury damage is absolutely cracked rn and the tier is going to be way better than arms so I can see it
They took the root break off of blood rage right?
elfin surge
They took the root break off of blood rage right?
still has it
vapid tartan
Mud thoughts on arms changes and if we will drop sks?
near delta
still has it
Damn might be a fury angle
frank knoll
Fury S tier
iron fractal
Awh, makes me wanna go from arms to fury in solo shuffle
tawny brook
Awh, makes me wanna go from arms to fury in solo shuffle
Only switch if you enjoy fun
As someone else said in here
Fury is peak gaming
whole chasm
fury full zug zug
iron fractal
Wonder what fury build people use for solo shuffle.
whole chasm
it tingles my BM main brain
iron fractal
Bloodrage good to use in solo shuffle?
wanton siren
So glad i farme these damn axes, shadowflame ftw
limber relic
Nicely done
ty ty ❤️
iron fractal
Titanic rage or Dancing blades?
south kestrel
So glad i farme these damn axes, shadowflame ftw
2100 chant on that?
tawny brook
What are the “2 stacks of whirlwind”’part of titanic rage
wanton siren
2100 chant on that?
Not yet but hopefully soon my brother. Gonna look sick
south kestrel
Agreed
tawny brook
Does titanic rage alter whirlwind somehow
iron fractal
Hrm.. improved whirlwind or two points into Vicious contempt.
teal hedge
I ate a variation of this today
Where I live, we don't have red/white sauce
We have our own recipe, called kebab-sauce
I ate one of these badboys with a shit-load of cayenne and fries.
sage raptor
if you play a female character, you have a higher chance of getting free carries
teal hedge
Much more fun playing dress-up with male characters though
sage raptor
for sure
teal hedge
Just a damn shame helmets look so goofy on worgens
tawny brook
What do the stacks of whirlwind from titanic rage do?
visual river
oh man struggled so hard with arms to dig out of 1400trenches the last few days, got to 1600 in one sitting on fury wtf. amazing dps right now
tawny brook
I can get on to test
visual river
it makes your next 2 attacks cleave
visual river
use it on rampage+execute if ytou can or else rampage bloodthirst is ok
yea you want to avatarrek, use the 2 whirlwinds, then odyns fury and use the whirlwind again, does so much pressure when melee stack on you
visual river
yea im juyst trash and cant handle more than 3 buttons right now
teal hedge
Honestly? I recommend sticking to arms like a tick if that's the case
visual river
im seeing more melee comps in soloq right now than caster though, was heaps of casters earlier in the week
teal hedge
Helped me improve
Was HARDstuck around 1400, but after arms "clicked" I managed to hit 1800 last season.
visual river
i want to at least hit 1800 again before i try learn arms again, been feeling pretty down stuck in 1400 trenches the last few days. had 4 wins of 3/6 and gained 5 mmr and each queue is 30mins long
teal hedge
I mean, at the end of the day you should play the spec you prefer.
visual river
id probs go back to arms if big boy spears come back haha, missed that train
doing consitent 40-60k dps in matches right now with fury, was only doing 20-30 as arms, being full kited all the time
hazy isle
i dont think spear is coming back
teal hedge
Yeah, you need to use your GOs at the right time with arms.
visual river
had triple stack ava/rek thunder roar rampage and did 130k dps one match, we aced the hunter before anyone did cooldowns, felt good
teal hedge
As it stands, before the nerf hits next reset, arms is the strongest melee in the game.
visual river
yea im just doing something wrong as arms then
teal hedge
Arms was a little tricky to learn, and learning it through solo shuffle is painful
Been there done that
visual river
ii wanted to go arms this season so i could rbg but dealing with people is just as bad as 30min soloq wait times
listening to them talk bs and butter up the chick in the group ugh
teal hedge
I recommend watching people like @elfin surge in order to improve and figure out your burst-windows
Yeah the wow-community is a little goofy sometimes
I mostly just notice that people are old.
visual river
yea i mean mud and bajheera were kinda the reason why i took warr again, using murlok to see top builds and gearing etc
im just a casual haha, got duelist in rbg on DH and rogue in the past but warr has been a different fish this expansion, learning different builds, different playstyles. I gues fury is just easier to zug for me rigth now
teal hedge
Yeah, for sure
tawny brook
listening to them talk bs and butter up the chick in the group ugh
That is the worst most cringe shit on the planet
teal hedge
I like the competetive aspect of it all, but in a casual way, if that makes sense?
I need the stakes in order to be engaged, y'know?
tawny brook
When everyone stops acting normal and starts acting obviously different because a chick showed up
visual river
yea you have to wade through a lot of trash groups before you find one that you properly vibe with and can push together
teal hedge
Grouping up on EU-servers is a different breed
visual river
oh it gets worse when the chick knows other chick healer friends and then they butter each other up then the rest of the dudes are subbing to their twitch and OF easily, can hear it through the mic
teal hedge
I joined a danish dad-guild and it fell apart after like 1 or 2 weeks
visual river
lol\
teal hedge
They all used their first names etc when talking with each other
And I, the genius, put my name as "Svensken" (the swede)
visual river
that actually sounds really cool
teal hedge
Gave me some insights to the danish language
visual river
sven just reminds me of dota, bloody cool name
iron fractal
Enduring rage or Blood rage for solo shuffle?
teal hedge
No idea how we could talk, but the barrier was so thin it just worked
visual river
bloodrage if against hunters and shamans and druids anything with root
or else enduring is pretty cool if its only a slow
teal hedge
Shame with european servers is that some people refuse to talk english, which leads to some segregation
visual river
US servers for rbg is a break between spanish and english
teal hedge
I mean, the main language is english, but many guilds are in native languages.
near delta
im just a casual haha, got duelist in rbg on DH and rogue in the past but warr h...
Are you the guy that used to make vdh rbg videos lol?
visual river
Are you the guy that used to make vdh rbg videos lol?
👍
near delta
I thought the name sounded super familiar ha
visual river
im happy to see vdh is back viable again, guardian druids were king for too long
near delta
Sleeper was the most toxic thing ever
teal hedge
But yeah, ever since <Danish Heritage> fell apart I haven't found a new guild
I see people promoting guilds but it's rarely social/pvp
teal hedge
Most of them are mythic+-pushers
I mean, from what I've heard most people on EU-servers are far more competetive than those on NA-servers? Might explain the non-communicative nature of many of the players.
royal rose
What nerf did arms get?
torpid roost
Can you use runes in solo shuffle?
Absolutely not
torpid roost
What nerf did arms get?
Bleeds got a significant buff, sks and fbv took pretty major hits, cd and duration of sharpen both nerft
tawny brook
I miss pre sks arms
royal rose
Back to fury we go?
royal rose
This was... fun but sketchy lol
tawny brook
😂
Is the scalewarden wpvp tier set bonus also 50% nerf or is that only the class tier sets
In arena
limber relic
doesnt work in arena
vapid tartan
Fury and arms mmr separate right?
tawny brook
So like bracers for example. Are 447 ilevel mastery bracers better for fury than the 450 haste bracers for conquest?
torpid roost
Fury and arms mmr separate right?
for shuffle, yes
royal rose
fury doesn't feel very good
but i'm vs all plate in this shuffle, feels like im doing no damage lol
sage raptor
anyone elses frames taking a shit when arena starts?
quick carbon
I don't like the duration nerf on sharpen
Sharpen was too strong in df
needed to be nerfed
arms still top tier melee
it has mortal strike and does damage
torpid roost
and top tier defensives and no real healing
tawny brook
but i'm vs all plate in this shuffle, feels like im doing no damage lol
Dont target swap much
Land the buffed roar on as many as you can and stun the healer on cd. Badabingbadaboom round won
Get to the second use of roar.
quick carbon
and top tier defensives and no real healing
Damage mitigation is better than healing
And impending victory is very good
torpid roost
In a vacuum IV is amazing
Our kit needs... something though
I'd agree that it isn't burst or mitigation that we lack, though
mild thunder
arms doesnt need healing, arms shouldnt have healing
mild thunder
we dont really struggle into casters more than most other melee specs
we have solid mitigation with IP, a short CD magic wall with SR, high mobility and a burst heal
tawny brook
Defensive stance
torpid roost
we dont really struggle into casters more than most other melee specs
more than most other melee specs
Yeah that's the problem, is caster supremacy
rare oak
I must admit I have been struggling against wizards lately.
tawny brook
Same
south kestrel
Ive always had a rough time with casters who can kite super well like frost mage
Does my head in
sage raptor
Dks have a rough time into casters
Casters have a hard time into casters
Something tells me blizz prefers casters
torpid roost
DKs are supposed to be the caster counter melee, or at least they were supposed to be
sage raptor
Yeahhh
visual river
So like bracers for example. Are 447 ilevel mastery bracers better for fury tha...
I’m using that this week it’s better than the conquest gear and 3ilvl difference is nothing compared to the extra 200+ mastery?
tawny brook
Thats what im thinking
visual river
Someone suggested to also save up tokens of strife for the 2hander if you are fury
Save you 1800 conquest again until much later in the season so you can focus on 4set and first wep
craggy geyser
once hitting 1600 and getting the token for gear which piece should i get being fury?
visual river
I’m seeing fury is gonna likely get 4set tier piece so I suggest waiting for the vault to see what piece to get . We are skipping head piece for tier since it gives the same stat allocation as legs but legs has vers
Can potentially get 2pc tier and a weapon next week
craggy geyser
head is embellishment?
visual river
Out of the 4set head slot is the worst piece for fury
tawny brook
I so hope we get to use the thorns helmet again
visual river
You can potentially stick with the current head embellishment or wait until some more s2 testing to see if we should use the new PvP embellishment
But I am definitely upgrading my infurious boots first lol
tawny brook
I’m putting some respect on that name
craggy geyser
LMAOOOO
ruby temple
May have missed it is our stat priority changing with the sks nerf or still picking up haste when we can?
visual river
Since it’s still bleed meta with/without sks it makes sense to still keep haste verse priority until further notice
ruby temple
Gotcha I assume haste also works well with fury if I wanna offspec a lil? (Still waiting on those fury guides >:()
visual river
Fury is mastery vers , it will cost you maybe 4-5k honor to swap over I did it same day yesterday
My mastery went from 11%to 45% swapping out to mastery off pieces and weapons it’s a big difference , since it’s your damage when enraged
ruby temple
Gotcha. I didn't want to hard push with fury or anything just thought it might be fun in bgs to mindless zug zug
visual river
Oh in that case just stay haste and use the spare honor to buy the off pieces if you feel like it
ruby temple
But I'll be doing my honor farm for my first set tomorrow (stupid work) so I'll just take the extra time to get both
At least whenever my healer friend gets trained by a fury he gets super tilted so that may be funny to do to others
visual river
It’s honestly so strong right now lol helps train casters easier plus 20s root break instead of 1min with bladestorm
Make hunters /casters sad
I’m mucking around with shockwave fury also and people can’t peel off you properly
ruby temple
I just feel way squisher then when I play arms. Idk if I'm just use to having IP ad a crutch but when I would run it in solo last season I'd just fall over