pvp

[wary heart]

ion: recrafting makes things too complicated

also ion: we have 17 upgrade items, with upgrade tracks from all sources of content that differs

ion needs to spend less time on systems, and more time finding a replacement for danuser because the story is off the rails clownworld

[magic wing]

btw what pvp talents we go rn

with warbringer being ass

[wary heart]

warbringer is still great wym

its got even larger root range

i take banner warbringer sharpen but i swap stuff out for disarm and very rarely rebound

[fiery marsh]

@elfin surge You got any talent builds for Fury this season? Any shockwave builds?

[elfin surge]

i dont play fury

[wary heart]

you play prot

disgusting animal

ive seen you offstream

[elfin surge]

[worthy fern]

@elfin surge how would a tier token from pve be elite?

[elfin surge]

u can buy elite pvp items with tier token (which also come from pvp)

[wary heart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/13du3cc/walock_pvp_talent_call_the_observer_has_to_be/

is observer still busted?

how did they let this go through

[worthy fern]

What do you mean they come from pvp

[elfin surge]

tek

u get a token for getting 1600

[worthy fern]

Oh

I didn’t know that

[wary heart]

can we get rid of pets in pvp tf is this shit

[worthy fern]

That’s sick actually

[pale minnow]

yo what did you crafted for 450?

[wary heart]

boots

send it dont think about it

[elfin surge]

boots

@worthy fern

[wary heart]

this mad man already used it

[elfin surge]

ill get a wep from vault

[rotund trellis]

fuckin sustained 3 is 10k gold by the way. greedy basterds

[worthy fern]

@elfin surge you test that new shadow dmg ench yet

[wary heart]

[rotund trellis]

[elfin surge]

no

[wary heart]

mud you know the token can be used for the weapon if you exchange it in loaam right

[elfin surge]

arms nerfs are in and are huge for pvp... ms healing penalty effects reduced by 25% and sharpen nerfed by 50%, skullsplitter only does 3 ticks of bleeds now

[wary heart]

oh SHIT nerfs are in

[torpid roost]

Master baiting

new fishing talent

[fiery marsh]

guys, do we get the other half of the spark in pvp after finishing campaign?

[pale minnow]

wtf, why even?

[stark reef]

You’re kidding, right?

Guess who’s playing fkn fury boys

https://youtu.be/VU4i_mcT134

[small osprey]

where you getting that from? don't see any changes on wowhead

[frail badge]

am i waisting my time in solo q if i just want 1800 for transmog as arms warrior? i got it last season and am 1651 so far this season buit i hate waiting 15 to 20 or more minutes jsut for the game to go to shit sometimes
would 2s be quicker? and if so can it be done with double dps or is dps with healer still the go to comp like last i played 2s in bfa

[elfin surge]

shuffle prob the easiest

[stark reef]

Bruv season is 2 days old…

[frail badge]

ok thanks, i just hate the long queue times

[royal rose]

Solo shuffle gives fat rating increases if you play well

[elfin surge]

yea the bracket is garb

[modern ravine]

That's definitely the reason I only won 5/6 rounds last game

[stark reef]

Getting 160 rating for a 4/2 and this guy wants it to go faster

🤣

[royal rose]

Gonna give lot of healers 6-0 dubs when I decide to learn how to heal on my Hpal but at least I’ll get insta ques 😂

[torpid roost]

man, I had a great game, went 6-0

[royal rose]

Ret is fun though. I’m completely new to pally, the paladin pvp discord has been complaining about how weak ret is but it feels strong to me

[torpid roost]

then I got into a lobby with 2 prot paladins, 2 warriors, a sub rogue, and a DH

went 2-4 against complete mongs, wanted to yeet my monitor out my window

[royal rose]

It’s just been so odd how in this xpac plate feels like the squishiest classes

[torpid roost]

lol, right?

[elfin surge]

man

fuck shuffle

[torpid roost]

we actually take less damage, it's just we have no escapes

there's parry, then.... Fuck you. That's what

[small osprey]

Exactly! Warlocks are so much more durable than me in full plate

[torpid roost]

don't hate the enchanted toilet paper

great armor

[pale crow]

wait WAT

source?

[wary heart]

nerfs are in now

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[wary heart]

[pale crow]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-crying-face-gif-20235014

[cyan heath]

so is fury gonna be the go to for pvp now rather than arms? ive heard its gonna be crazy this season but idk if i can trust those sources lol

[wary heart]

https://tenor.com/view/it-all-tracks-back-to-one-source-one-man-i-know-he-did-it-its-obvious-gif-14314941

[small osprey]

basttard...i wouldn't be surprised if that was true at this rate lol

[small osprey]

I've been trying both and arms still feels better (imo). Though I think the set bonus for fury is way better so once I get a set I'll prob try fury again

[pale crow]

even if fury is on top ill still will be playing arms. Fury continuous 2 button spam i cant stand it

[stark reef]

Was secretly hoping for those nerfs to be real just to read this channel go like this: https://youtu.be/TpEpTPf1Bd4

[wary heart]

you heard the man

[pale crow]

crit is garbage now in pvp as arms?

Or still viable?

[torpid roost]

best videogame antagonist, all years

[torpid roost]

gladiator titles and blizzard just starts mailing you trophies

no tourney necessary

[wary heart]

wasnt that the jailer? he was behind everything

stratholm?

that was the jailer

the lich king?

jailer

the legion...you guessed it

[torpid roost]

JAILER

yaler

[cyan heath]

i feel like arms is genuinely the same with the occasional sharpen / SS press?

[wary heart]

if you zug arms it plays like fury yea

but if you setup with partners it takes +3 more iq

fury doesnt have much setup needed you just gas pedal w-key until you or they die

[cyan heath]

y play warrior if you dont want zug zug

[stark reef]

^ he’s right, you know…

[wary heart]

if i wanted to zug i'd play feral

spec literally has nothing to it other than +100% speed buff and rakestun

[torpid roost]

Feral is more complicated than that

it's the same as retards coming in here going ARMS 2 BUTTON LOL

basically you cleave out bleeds thoug

[wary heart]

there's no complicated rotation in all of wow, lets be really honest

[torpid roost]

alternatively, ^

[wary heart]

insanity-based sp was close

[torpid roost]

we all have lots of buttons

but we all only use 6 of them or so regularly

[pale crow]

I remember pve arms in nighthold

rotation was so fun

[torpid roost]

was that the focused rage era?

[wary heart]

everyone forgets 7.0 arms

[pale crow]

then they reworked it and dumbed it down to a point where it felt so boring

[wary heart]

i fucking loved that iteration

[torpid roost]

they should bring that back as a talent choice

[pale crow]

that was the time where most fun i had in pve as arms

[wary heart]

7.0 arms pvp was insanely bad though

if you have the blue elite set from that era you are a true chad

[pale crow]

true, that is why i was doing pve, i remember now lol

[wary heart]

i cant find the data on arenamate anymore but iirc it was one of the lowest arms participation seasons ever

https://www.arenamate.net/representation-charts/archive/legion-s1

i found it

arms got nerfed into oblivion

https://www.arenamate.net/representation-charts/archive/legion-s2

season 2 it was basically unplayed

[frail badge]

is rated pvp in this game dead? 26 min in a 14 min for solo queue and last one was 30 for 12 min queue and even in lfg for 2 and 3s there are hardly any listings

[fast meteor]

wait a second...

[cyan sluice]

the problem is its actually popping off too much

[fast meteor]

is conquest cap the first week?

[cyan sluice]

too many people queueing and healer ratios means long waits

[cyan sluice]

??

[fast meteor]

is showing red as im not gonna get that amount

[summer root]

week 1 cap is 1350

[torpid roost]

not enough healers queueing because solo shuffle is miserable from a healer perspective

(also from other perspectives)

(but universally, pain, from a healer perspective)

[frail badge]

yeah but even in 2s and 3s lfg finder there are no listings hardly

[torpid roost]

solo has succeeded, probably by too much

[frail badge]

so you think most are playing solo then?

i feel like any other game that would have this long of a queue time for a single match and hardly and listings in the other rated modes would be considered dead and a failure

[torpid roost]

definitely not dead

a failure.... ehhhhhh, I meaaaaaannnnnn

[rancid heath]

damn i feel like I dont do dmg as fury sadge lol

[torpid roost]

I do more damage overall as fury but my kill pressure is kinda shit

[rancid heath]

idk i feel i almost always get outdmged

theres always 1 dps in every ss that outdps everyone by a mile lol

[torpid roost]

as a MS class I kinda feel like that's intentional

[rancid heath]

we have a good ms as fury? sorry noob fury here lol just started

[torpid roost]

I didn't say good, lol

no, it's unreliable

[stark reef]

There was a good chart of dps vs wins recently. Not every classes winrate correlates with their dps.

For warrior however, it does.

[rancid heath]

yea i remember seeing that

[torpid roost]

ZUG HARDR

I missed this - got a source on that?

I'd be interested in looking at that

[rancid heath]

idk thought Id enjoy fury but I just feel like I dont do dmg lmao

[stark reef]

So yeah, feral for example always pops off on the meters but doesn’t mean they stomp the lobby

Evoker, to

Fury definitely does more raw dps than arms but you more win through grinding through their CDs

[rancid heath]

really so arms has even lower numbers XD?

[stark reef]

Yes, 100%

But arms has clear kill-windows as opposed to fury who just has high sgl target pressure all game until eventually someone dies

[rancid heath]

yea just feel it aint that nice in SS cuz its rng if someone on my team will die before i eventually kill someone XD

am I crazy

[dark sparrow]

Is this real?

[stark reef]

Last season arms clearly outperformed fury in SS past 3k rating

Below that probably skill/comfort issue

[rancid heath]

yeah Idk I think Im doing something wrong with fury somehow hahah

[urban skiff]

I just need something that works well under 1800 because people are dumbasses and I'm happy

climbing is for people with time

[rancid heath]

I heard it was mainly 3 buttons XD what are these godly 3 spells lmao

[urban skiff]

#pvp message

[rancid heath]

??

[fast meteor]

is it a Holding cap or a gaining cap for conquest?

[urban skiff]

it's a link, click it

[stark reef]

If you’re an arms main and just spec fury you won’t have a good time.

Fury is easier but plays very different due to slaughterhouse.

As arms you’re looking for the best target whenever you have burst up, fury you just train one guy like a target dummy with everything all game because if you swap it’s likely over as you lose all healing reduction and likely won’t get another chance to stack it.

[urban skiff]

tbh my games as fury today has been swapping a lot and just scaring the shit out of people whenever i make contact

did they do something to physical resistance?

[rancid heath]

didnt do anything when I clicked except scroll this chat 3 msg up lol

[urban skiff]

yea. it's the answer

[stark reef]

Works well if you blow up someone first few rounds

[rancid heath]

lmao

so i just spam this 1 button?

[urban skiff]

rampage with slaughterhouse pvp talent stacks up a heal reduction that makes you extremely oppressive. Then when you also pop cooldowns they can't recover

bloodthirst and rampage is like 95% of what you'll be doing as fury

[rancid heath]

ok so I stack it then I use cd?

[urban skiff]

3rd button i guess is a swifty macro

idk

I just picked up hekili and do whatever it says

an addon

[stark reef]

Often if you have a good first few rounds people will try to peel you and they waste the whole round trying to keep your damage in check so your 2 team-mates eventually win it

[rancid heath]

wait whats the 2nd and whats swifty lol

[urban skiff]

I cannot stress enough that I'm a dumbass

[rancid heath]

so I press rampage always then when I stack I use cd

[stark reef]

With enraged regen you can also LOS your healer a lot more comfortably and even trinket aggressive since you can use it stunned

[fast meteor]

plz? xD

[rancid heath]

what other abilities I should spam and or press on cd ?

[urban skiff]

Bloodthirst to generate rage. Rampage to spend rage. Swift macro = some macro that pops all your cooldowns at once.

[torpid roost]

gaining cap, if I'm understanding your question

[woeful solstice]

wheres the macro to respec arms

[urban skiff]

You'll have a decent time, skipping the bad habits later will make it a great time

[woeful solstice]

[urban skiff]

it's alt+f4+pourwaterinpc

[rancid heath]

damn ok Ill try this lol

either that or I try ww before too late in the season lol

[torpid roost]

also go to harlem and scream racial slurs

[urban skiff]

probably practice in something that doesn't matter before you mess up your rating

[rancid heath]

idc about my rating for now its week 1

[urban skiff]

in a just world, one would get that treatment wherever one scream racial slurs.

[rancid heath]

thanks for all the advices guys

[urban skiff]

I can't afford going all the way to the US whenver I want to respec

[torpid roost]

yes we should murder people with tourettes

what trinket are you guys using?

[urban skiff]

proc

[torpid roost]

(arms, pvp other-than-medallion trinket)

[woeful solstice]

you should, dealing with 1600 bracket in solos is actual hell

[urban skiff]

nvm then

[torpid roost]

lol, that's right on the low side of where my queues are

there's a lot of.... special special people

[stark reef]

Depends on rating - lower, use active, higher, use passive

[torpid roost]

laggy rogues who don't use a single defensive

[rancid heath]

Ill get through it somehow haha

[torpid roost]

mages who don't have poly bound

[woeful solstice]

i dont believe in ELO hell but having to deal with bad players in that range can be frustrating and slow you down

youll get out eventually

[urban skiff]

when do you think the tryhards have made it past 1800 so i can steamroll the slightly less sweaty second stringers in solo?

[woeful solstice]

but why deal with it

[torpid roost]

"I can't sap he's too fast"

[stark reef]

Low rating = you can catch people off guard, high rating = you want whatever gives you net more stats over a game

[woeful solstice]

the tryhards already are 2k+

[urban skiff]

yea yea but the second tryhards

the ones that try hard but aren't very good, just above average

[torpid roost]

he means the non-talented tryhards

[woeful solstice]

oh yeah those show up in the last month of season buddy

(like me)

[torpid roost]

the worst kind of people

[urban skiff]

yea that

[torpid roost]

I DESERVE 3800 RATING

MY TEAMMATES ARE THE PROBLEM

[woeful solstice]

i would be 2k+ but finals week

[urban skiff]

saw someone in 2v2 LFG today claiming 3k warrior exp. last i checked he had been looking for 45 minutes

[torpid roost]

I was pissed, because of one really bad DC (computer crash, actually) I finished the season at 1800-something

during the dead week/week zero I was 5-1ing 2100 lobbies

[worthy fern]

@urban skiff going to be a while

[woeful solstice]

damn you prob had 2400 in the bag

[torpid roost]

serves me right for waiting until the last day + playing with shitters all season

[woeful solstice]

if you are 5-1'ing lobbies at 2100 its the same game at 2400 in solos

not kidding

[torpid roost]

I don't know, 300 rating increase is no joke

[worthy fern]

R1 and blizzcon winners are like starting at 2k mmr ish

[woeful solstice]

it is in solos

[torpid roost]

I know you aren't facing like, monsters there but they're not like, gcd wasting idiots a

[urban skiff]

my hope is to ride the wave of drained parents who can finally play but are too distracted to be a massive threat. Can't do that if the tryhards are farming them

[stark reef]

I started at 1800 last night

[woeful solstice]

my solo mmr is 1950 rn on 1 game

[torpid roost]

nice

[woeful solstice]

[stark reef]

1800 last night felt like 2100 last season but I also was tired af

[woeful solstice]

lol i remember day 1 of s1

i qued solo immediately into a game with petkick

6-0'd lobby

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[stark reef]

If I’d have played like that at 2400 I’d have gotten rolled but ended on a 50/50 wr after 3 lobbies

[urban skiff]

We'll never have another s1 solo shuffle release where nobody knew what to do and everybody were thrown off when i asked what recklessness does

play mind games all day every day and not even be a priest

[woeful solstice]

haha yeah s1 release was hilarious

fury spammed up to like 2300 mmr first day

[urban skiff]

guess we have to wait for DF classic for next SS release

[woeful solstice]

then we got nerfed and i had to get back on arms and show em how its done

[torpid roost]

kek

[urban skiff]

1800 for me, i was content with just having the mog

[woeful solstice]

fury was straight up busted

[torpid roost]

I tried arms day 1

[urban skiff]

and i only started after the nerf

[woeful solstice]

2 button press

[torpid roost]

this was a mistake

[woeful solstice]

couldve played fury with the donkey kong bongos

[stark reef]

That’s still how it goes

[urban skiff]

tbh i still do

[woeful solstice]

rampage bloodthirst

[stark reef]

I have to say though, as fury you have to be very mindful of mobility

Losing slaughterhouse because of kiting is the absolute worst experience

[woeful solstice]

yea i just dont play fury anymore

makes me a a bad player

[urban skiff]

but at least they have to kite

[torpid roost]

hook a joystick up to your dick, swifty macro to a footpedal, BT/rampage to bongoes

[urban skiff]

that's a lot of power to give us

[woeful solstice]

fury playstyle literally turns you into an idiot im sorry

[stark reef]

I don’t have high aspirations for my WoW career 🤣

If I can hit 3k as fury this season I’ll call it a success

Flame some healers along the way, good times

[unique fox]

Crushing blow charge was the shit man

I miss that

[torpid roost]

3k
yeah no shit

[woeful solstice]

gonna try for r1 solo this season

after getting the ugly glad mount

[worthy fern]

@woeful solstice I was talking about 3s rating

[torpid roost]

I mean, me too, but I'm not gonna get it

[woeful solstice]

ohhh yeah

makes sense

[stark reef]

Was thinking that but r1 grind is always ass

[woeful solstice]

i havent checked my 3s yet

[worthy fern]

My first shuffle I was like 1950

[stark reef]

Have to check ladder last week like an autist

Cut offs don’t update

[worthy fern]

From 2.4 last season ish

[woeful solstice]

prob gonna run arms/desty this weekend with a buddy

[torpid roost]

what, a few hundred games the last few weeks of the season

[stark reef]

Last 3 days some ape plays his 7 alts into the top 10

Miss me with that

🤣

[woeful solstice]

alts dont matter anymore

[worthy fern]

@woeful solstice lock war hasn’t been good for a while

[stark reef]

Done that in other games

[worthy fern]

Would be cool to play now

[woeful solstice]

its prob good rn yeah

im stoked

[clever fern]

thunderclap build no more?

[woeful solstice]

hasnt been good since like what bfa?

crushing assault season

[worthy fern]

Even in bfa

[woeful solstice]

it was ok

legion was last time it was god tier

[worthy fern]

Yea was just ok

[woeful solstice]

and i wasnt good at game

also looking to try some arms/boom

[worthy fern]

I think that will be better honestly

[woeful solstice]

i dont know any good boomies tho

yeah itll be better until the nerf, boom is way overtuned

[worthy fern]

Turbo seems super good

[woeful solstice]

yep ret/war prob holding up well still

as well

curious to see how TSG does once we have high haste values

i can see unholy tsg being boss mode again

into caster meta

[rancid heath]

so I cant keep slaughterhouse active all the time it gotta reset ?

srry noob question lol

[woeful solstice]

correct go arms

[gray umbra]

^

[stark reef]

Only ret I saw last night went 0/6 - I was smiling over both ears

[gray umbra]

Fury is bad mkay

[rancid heath]

should I ever use slam as fury XD?

[stark reef]

Only as filler - but as many people have said, arms is the better pvp spec. Only people I’d recommend to play fury are those that just enjoy it more

So definitely don’t waste your time learning fury if you like arms better

[rancid heath]

i should try arms but i dont like the waiting for burst too much

so i think arms aint for me

what makes arms so much better thhan fury if everyone agrees its better im curious

[stark reef]

Mortal strike

[elfin surge]

arms burst is on a 24 second cd

[rancid heath]

ah

not so bad

[rancid heath]

i feel like arms are squishy when I play against them

[worthy fern]

Arms isn’t squishy

[stark reef]

Yes, arms has different degrees of burst, all can open kills depending on situation - sharpen, skull splitter, csmash, your major cds

[worthy fern]

Neither is fury really

[elfin surge]

arms is tankier than fury

[worthy fern]

There’s not alot of specs in general that are squishy right now

[rancid heath]

ttk ios insane rn

[stark reef]

Yes, arms can take a lot more damage if you have a healer - fury is more self-sufficient but loses tankiness through dampening and healing reduction

[urban skiff]

arms may be tankier, but fury feels like it allow some high ape plays by not giving a fuck about LoS'ing healers

[torpid roost]

Arms just has no immune, it's not exactly squishy in the meta though

[stark reef]

If your healer is a mouthbreather you’ll just die as arms

[urban skiff]

that explains my thousands of arms deaths.

[rancid heath]

guess Ill buy some new honor gear and try arms

[stark reef]

If you’re new def try both

[worthy fern]

Arms has more healing than some hybrids rn

[rancid heath]

i hope its not too complex for my smooth brain i wanted a brainded alt lol

[stark reef]

It’s not bad, practice your burst on a dummy between queues and you’re golden

[rancid heath]

yea ! thanks Ill try both see if I enjoy any of the two if not last try is ww lmao

[elfin surge]

is damage mitigation healing?

thats like if damage prevented from armor and d stance was shown as healing on scoreboards

[urban skiff]

tbh it should

damage taken / damage absorbed

[elfin surge]

ignore pain isnt healing

its damage mitigation

[stark reef]

Yeah, details tracks it as healing but that’s misleading

[urban skiff]

mitigation and healing is effectively the same as long as you don't hit 0 hp

[worthy fern]

@elfin surge it shows up as healing lol

[elfin surge]

thats like looking at details and saying rsham does too much damage but 95% of it was earthern totem

[worthy fern]

Preventing 25k vs healing 25k

[elfin surge]

kay

ignore pain is a 50% wall on a 11 second cd then

[stark reef]

It plays a bit different - although it’s an active skill ignore pain almost feels like passive tankiness over time - it’s not really on demand like enraged regen

[urban skiff]

yea i know

[stark reef]

Given DBS would be the equivalent to enraged regen but DBS into wizards feels like absolute ass

[worthy fern]

@elfin surge ignore pain is great

Combined with Iv

[urban skiff]

but the goal isn't to heal, the goal is to die slower. Saying mitigation is healing is wrong. Saying healing is mitigation is the correct observation

[worthy fern]

Arms has good healing

[stark reef]

Is ignore pain affected by dampening?

[worthy fern]

Considering feral regrowths heal for like 8 percent of their health

Yes iirc

[elfin surge]

yes

[stark reef]

One key difference is that mitigation does not interact with health% based effects

Like execute

And you can also mitigate at 100% health

[urban skiff]

Agreed. But it's a minor detail. The goal is to die slower, mitigation would make wasting resources on execute suck while a heal might disable it. Healing and mitigation stacks so it's a moot point. It's why we all bring healers

[stark reef]

Absolutely, minor differences

It’s not as strong in WoW but other games have clear “healing metas” or “shielding metas,” etc

[stable siren]

How have u guys been enjoying shockwave?

[urban skiff]

a fuckton, but i'm also fury so everything i do is about being an unpredictable mess

[stark reef]

I tried to copy muds build late last night but I swear I’m short a talent point

🤣

The fury brain is festering

I’ll post screenies, I need help with this

[rare ibex]

What changed that made shockwave more viable?

[stark reef]

2sec to 3sec

[urban skiff]

the best arena environment in any game for me was how healing worked in bloodline champions. Healing / absorbs worked, but you could only ever heal a limited % of the damage taken back up. So healers were healing but couldn't ever top anyone up.

@mild thunder when are we getting a fury guide?

[stark reef]

@elfin surge I tried to copy the left side of this to test it with fury:

Where is this point? I spent 30minlast night looking for it

🤣

[stable siren]

Arms get dstance baceline i think

[stark reef]

Ooh

Wait no

You see it’s first trait second row

Oh, I see, but there is no point in it

[urban skiff]

i can take points out of fury dstance. I can't take points out of arms dstance

[stark reef]

Yeah, that’s where it is

[stable siren]

gotcha

[urban skiff]

nice catch

first 3v3 of the season and i had to 2v3 the opposing team because paladins can't press bubble

why they making me work this hard

[lime fossil]

is haste/verse better than verse/mastery

[vapid tartan]

Anybody do engineering or coding for worj

Work

[vapid tartan]

Fury or arms

[grim flare]

is fury going to be any good this season?

[near delta]

Yup. Why? Lol

[vapid tartan]

I have a midterm on the 17th about coding a program with recursion and iteration and I haven’t started studying

Is it doable

For c++

[near delta]

You should start studying that shit now lol

[vapid tartan]

yeahh

[near delta]

Not really a big deal but recursion can take a while to get your head around

What is your major?

[vapid tartan]

data science

[near delta]

Ah interesting. Is that like a cs concentration or?

[vapid tartan]

No math focused

Cs is just on the side

I jus gotta do this class for requirements and stuff

[near delta]

Ohh yeah that makes sense

Focusing on the statical stuff really then?

[vapid tartan]

Yeah pretty much

The prof is kinda shit too bro will hold a 2hour class for 15 mins

[near delta]

I've been having to learn ml stuff for work after I intentionally avoided it in undergrad and grad school lol

But it wasn't as sexy back then

Do you already know how to program in some language?

[vapid tartan]

Yeah I can do basic c++ stuff with like loops and arrays but the harder stuff spins my head lol

[near delta]

C++ is kind of a scuffed language in general

For most of your stuff tho you'll just be using python probably tho

And a little R maybe

[vapid tartan]

Yeah I heard r was useful

And easier to show stats with than most languages

[graceful ginkgo]

Watch a towers of hanoi video for an intro to recursion

Many are in Java I guess but you might find one in c++

[stiff dust]

hi, arm is still crit, and fury haste ?

[torpid roost]

No

Haste for both

[stiff dust]

:O
Noice

any cap ? or full haste

[torpid roost]

What's third place is in question in my mind

[near delta]

Oh yeah thats legit

[near delta]

I think its gonna be mastery as long as skullsplitter stays the build

[torpid roost]

No cap really, 30% unbuffed you start to see a DR (10% less per point after 30%)

SKS build yes mastery

Thinking about dropping bladestorm for executioners precision in the sks build

On the other hand

[near delta]

Eh bladestorm is really important with all these casters

[torpid roost]

Holy shit I so do not want to spend more time bashing my dick in roots

[near delta]

I went gnome last season, and it's so nice

[torpid roost]

Taunt a pet over to build op stacks

Yeah gnome with the root break

That still doesn't fuck trinket either does it

[near delta]

Nope

[stiff dust]

i take over the game after a few months break but I don't see anyone playing spear anymore, is it still viable or does it suck?

as arm

compared to roar

[near delta]

Roar is just more damage and it can be really hard to get value out of spears when casters have so much mobility

Locks can legit just instantly make a gate right next to it and gate out

[wet scarab]

had an extremely productive couple of hours trying to find a weapon that works with the 1800 set. Turns out the cosmic weapon effect from SL goes perfectly with the shoulder mist thing

[dark sparrow]

Best decision I made end of last season is making a second warr and making it gnome

If only we had a good looking weapon/elite weapon mog this season

Only an ugly af polearm

[boreal stone]

fury is vers mast haste, no crit

[stark reef]

Gnomes reign supreme

The most busted thing is that it’s a 1min CD so you can use it several times a game

And works on slows, to

[torpid roost]

Orc human gnome or dark iron all seem pretty damn good

[stark reef]

Yeah, nelf to if you’re good with meld

[boreal stone]

can confirm, nelf is insane

got accused of botting because I melded kidney smokebomb

[torpid roost]

Nelf is... look if you're good enough to regularly dodge dangerous shit with meld you're already 3k+

[dark sparrow]

Ngl I’ve seen a fair share of sketchy meld plays

[stark reef]

Yeah, nelf is the gnome for people that actually know the game

Gnome you realize you stop moving, you press button

You move again

[boreal stone]

press bladestorm instead, ez

[torpid roost]

Human is just lolstats

[dark sparrow]

But even with gnome, facing bm/rdruid 2s is the cringiest shit ever

[stark reef]

Yeah, I played UD before

Was extremely rough into frost and bm

[torpid roost]

Dark iron actually seems like it would be gross against rogue feral at the moment

[stark reef]

Fkn 6 second iron trap, that’s enough to tab out and write an email

[torpid roost]

Fireblood, 4k str, implant 2h up somebody's ass sideways

[stark reef]

Dark iron is popular, yeah

[dark sparrow]

Into scatter into tar into roots

[vapid tartan]

Human is good till people have a brain and disarm

[dark sparrow]

Yea until they stun you and die cause trinket is on cd

[stark reef]

“What are you doing?”

“Me? Nothing…”

“I’m just hanging around.”

[frail badge]

i feel horible right now, 5 games all draws with only one small win

at 1678

solo q

[vapid tartan]

Cr and mmr the same?

[frail badge]

for me yeah

[dark sparrow]

My priest “where was your pressure, you did no damage and they were perma on me”

[frail badge]

but i get matched with people who are lower

i think

[vapid tartan]

That tends to happen sometimes, try taking a little break and think about what you can do better. Tune up the rotation a bit etc, don’t let yourself get titled all you need is a 4-2 and you’ll be back on track

[torpid roost]

The double disarm teams make me insane

"Oop. Colossus smash, disarm"

Faayjswwkkdc

[vapid tartan]

I play gnome orc and human, in a good game human feels the best

[frail badge]

these are my talents for solo q, is it good or is there something better for that bracket

[vapid tartan]

Bc double dps trinkets

But in 90% of games feel like gnome or orc helped way more

[dark sparrow]

Most satisfying game today was vs a ww/fistweave team. Skullsplitted them both 100-0 at same time in a shockwave

[frail badge]

last season i ran blademaster with unhinged to get my 1800

but idk if thats good anymore as everyone seems to use sks

[wet scarab]

Nelf is quite op even if you’re an idiot just melding big set up casts but it’s also great for pve because it cheeses a crap ton of targeted boss mechanics

[vapid tartan]

The build is fine some of the points are just pretty

Pref

[stark reef]

Oh yeah, I started trinketing it out of spite

[vapid tartan]

For example if you’re having trouble closing out rounds you might swap eb to fatality, or if you feel survivability is an issue take fbv

[stark reef]

Last night - I didn’t play well so no recommendation

[vapid tartan]

Can also take tclap into cleaves

[frail badge]

i was using tclap before but tried this out

[dark sparrow]

Just copy all 3 of mud his talent loadouts from his armory, know when to use what build and your done

[vapid tartan]

Basically

[frail badge]

ok thanks

[torpid roost]

what do you drop for FBV?

[boreal stone]

I play this every game, got to 3k in shuff and glad with it: BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWCJRSSSiWpkEAAAAQQkIQCUERDikkEaSESAQaJAAAAAAAAkokgAQ0QA

[vapid tartan]

In the build grimgor linked prolly eb

Not that useful outside of the few times you ms 4x in a row

[frail badge]

lol the build i linked was actually one of muds builds, i forgot i already copied that one

ill try using the thunderclap one for now

would dropping eb for fueld give me more survivability iyo then?

i thought i read tho it got nerfed hard and even more so in solo since it starts with high dampen but idk

[vapid tartan]

Depends on the situation, but yes it gives you a bit more survivability. Also in games with lots of pets you can bladestorm them all to spread deep wounds for more heals

[frail badge]

i think ill try it out then thanks

[vapid tartan]

yeah the last few points are pref, try both out and see which works better for you

[surreal zephyr]

So arms is vers>haste>mast now yes?

[boreal stone]

mast=crit, but the rest is correct

[frail badge]

what is the benefit from thudner clap over normal rend aside from the aoe spread rend, does the actual thunderclap skill do decent damage by it self maybe?

[surreal zephyr]

Gotcha. Curse you crit nerf reducing the number of big dopamine numbers

[boreal stone]

puts a slow, u aoe with it, etc. U can sweeping strikes thunderclap into a skullsplitter for big aoe sks. can kill players this way, as well as pets

[surreal zephyr]

Slam even with the 48% buff just gets ignored still yes?

[vapid tartan]

Skskskskskskssksksksks

[boreal stone]

yes

[frail badge]

oh ok thanks i forgot about the slow, so clap gives the aoe rend, then use sweeping and use sks in that order for what your mentioning ?

[boreal stone]

slam doesnt apply a bleed or ms, so in the current design of warrior, its irrelevant

[vapid tartan]

Remove it from ur bars

[boreal stone]

in terms of a rotation, I like to sweeping -> bolt -> cs -> ms -> thunderclap -> sks -> sharpen out

can also sharpen the first MS, doesnt really matter

if u play unhinged, u just press sweeping, bolt, cs, bladestorm, thundercvlap into sks

[vapid tartan]

Mud said on stream he likes to do the sks go and sharpen after

[frail badge]

ok thanks thats sort of what i have been doing

[boreal stone]

yeah, its kinda preference i think

[surreal zephyr]

Oh it’s not on them atm I’m just making sure I don’t need to dust off a spot for it

[frail badge]

what does cs stand for

[vapid tartan]

But I think he also said it varies into comp so

[boreal stone]

I like to sharpen first, cuz im more likely to get ccd than my other pertner when they se my go. Sharpen is gonna be higher value than just raw dmg while im ccd

[vapid tartan]

Computer science and colossal smash

[frail badge]

ok thanks lol

[boreal stone]

Cs aka warbreaker

i just call it CS out of habit lol

[vapid tartan]

What does warbreaker even mean xd

Like sounds kinda cool but those words make no sense together

[vapid tartan]

No like

Colossal smash makes sense right

But how do you break war??

[boreal stone]

u kill everything around u

ez

[vapid tartan]

Hm makes sense

[ruby hornet]

makes ur enemy want to take a break from war

[mild thunder]

Later today

[vapid tartan]

Oh boy galachad obline

Where’s @teal hedge

[ruby temple]

Fury guide : "don't"

[rancid heath]

how much haste we want as arms ?

[torpid roost]

Yes

[lean burrow]

any news on shuffle mmr changes?

is it gonna be giga inflation again?

[torpid roost]

Enough people play it I'd assume it'll be inflated to fuck every season

[spice hornet]

why is WW allowed to do this kind of damage

[worthy fern]

@torpid roost lots of specs hitting that rn

[boreal stone]

thats chunli

[worthy fern]

Not even half your health

[boreal stone]

prob best ww in game

[torpid roost]

Hitting what?

I think fists of fury is more the problem than RSK

"Hey you know your cool down that parries, lol, they just have that shit all the time passively lol fuck you"

[lean burrow]

blizz forgot to add

[vapid tartan]

500 token quest at cobalt assembly bois

[rancid heath]

so only haste ?? xD

[thick reef]

Arms burst & regular rotation?

[mild thunder]

press button > kill

[thick reef]

But what is optimal for killing?

[worthy fern]

@torpid roost lots of specs hit 150-200k stuff rn

Randomly

[vapid tartan]

You sure you not tanking a boss?

[worthy fern]

Dev, ww, mm, frost, fire can pump out 80-90k fireballs, enhance

Ones I have seen so far this season

I’m sure there are others

[vapid tartan]

Yeah but there’s a big diff between 80-90k and 150-200k randomly lol

[frail badge]

is arms warr not as good this season? every solo match i come across multilbe ranged and evokers and they just have so much more damage and survivability then last season it seems

i just lost 5 out 6 rouns against 2 shaman dps and one shadowpriest and they just cc me forever and stop me from getting to them and they seem to blow me up much more then i do to them

[tawny brook]

Every match is multiple ranged it seems like

[hot solstice]

was a good day

[frail badge]

every match today has been nothing but warlocks shadow priests and evokers mostly

it feels like shit comapred to last season

i even ran blademasters with unhinged and no sks and i got 1800 last season

[rancid heath]

yoo whats the name of this embelishment ?

[lean burrow]

enh or ele easier?

[boreal stone]

not one u can select specifically like precog. Its only available on a couple pieces of gear, such as boots

[hot solstice]

got on enha in 6 shuffles

[rancid heath]

i dont see on boots option.. sorry im so lost in that crafting stuff lmao

[lean burrow]

i learned only ele

[boreal stone]

its not an option,, search up "infurious warboots" and it should show up

[rancid heath]

ohhhhh

is it only on boots ?

also does this change anything xD?

[tawny brook]

So do we just craft the new ilvl boots? Do I need to learn what an embellishment is or do those boots already have it built in

[boreal stone]

tahts pve ilvl

and only available on boots, no other pieces can ahve it for plate classes

[thick reef]

what do we make with our embellishments?

Boots &?

[boreal stone]

prob the melee precog

[spice hornet]

survival is so strong now

[boreal stone]

but we cant get that till next week

[thick reef]

Engi helmet not worth?

[rancid heath]

whats the melee precog ? 😮

[tawny brook]

Can I just pay $5 and earn whatever currencies in game and it handle messing around with gear and enchants. I just want to battle

[spice hornet]

mongoose bite casually hitting 120k non crits

[rancid heath]

haha same just wanna zugzug peacefuly

[thick reef]

why can't we get that made?

[rancid heath]

oh nice !

[rancid heath]

this

[boreal stone]

the recipe for it drops from raid I think

also, replacing the boots this week is better imo

boots are also the safest bet, that embellishment might be complete ass, no one really knows

[rancid heath]

yea boots with stormbolt just seem wedding ready lamo

lmao*

[simple rock]

aight full haste is a mistake

at least in 2s

[rancid heath]

@simple rock arms ?

[simple rock]

ya

if you're playing any low uptime matchup it's hard to get anything going vs decent players

[craggy geyser]

@elfin surge plays two and did great…. With haste build

[rotund trellis]

lmao

[simple rock]

full haste is great when you have good uptime

it pumps

played a demo mw that went to 88% damp lmao

[rotund trellis]

i AM STRUGGLING AT INCLUDING SHOCKWAVE AND tc IN THE ROTATION HONESTLY

caps sorry guys

[craggy geyser]

I agree with you it’s almost like you forget about it right? @rotund trellis

[rotund trellis]

never used it outside protection tanking

[torpid roost]

Well, what would be good with low uptime? Back to crit?

[oblique patrol]

With the way some classes are looking, i dont think arms will do well in high end 2s anywya

Think its 3s/shuffle for arms rn where you cant get bullied as easily by slippery specs/tanky specs

[thick reef]

what are the names of the things I need to make my boots lock in Versa and Haste for crafting?

Or are they locked stats?

[rotund trellis]

guys before I hit the button, does this look right?

[oblique patrol]

Looks good to me

[rotund trellis]

I have none of the other optional reagent, what is it used for?

[oblique patrol]

PvE item level

If you only care for PvP item level, then you only need to use the Trophy

[rotund trellis]

AND the pvp optional reagent

for the 450 ilvl

[oblique patrol]

Mhmm

[tawny brook]

What optional reagent do we put in?

Trophy of conquest and what

[rotund trellis]

that trophy thing yeah

btw chaos bolt hits over 100k as a baseline now

[thick reef]

Jesus Christ

[obsidian loom]

trophies of strife are only from sparks of life quest right?

[royal rose]

I am just straight up not having a good start to the season

[rotund trellis]

it's day two dawg

[royal rose]

I know but still lol

Why are casters all so broken lol

[supple galleon]

helm or boots embellishment ?

[rancid heath]

whats the main buttons of arms burst rotation?

[torpid roost]

CS, mortal strike, skullsplitter on the actual go

Set up would be roar, op op refresh rend

Playing off what you can and can't do at the time, how much damage is needed to close a kill, etc

[rancid heath]

noob question.. whats CS lmao

[torpid roost]

Colossus Smash/Warbreaker

[tawny brook]

CS and mortal strike both do deep wounds and not bleeds right?

[torpid roost]

And, of course, if they're stacked, sweeping strikes before all that

[tawny brook]

I thought it was rend, cs, sks or rend, ms, sks

[torpid roost]

Yes, I usually MS raw on the opener for that reason

Get dw ticking

[tawny brook]

Gotcha

I do that combo as my opener into sharpened ms into roar

[torpid roost]

Depends on how far back we wanna go for setup

[tawny brook]

Yea

[torpid roost]

Charge and hamstring are included

Or run up mounted, piercing

[tawny brook]

We use a lot of gcds just to be able to hit our opponents dont we

[torpid roost]

Bolt, fear, situation pending (usually use those to control a healer)

[rancid heath]

not sure by reading skullsplitter what makes it that good I must be missing something

[torpid roost]

A ton, why I always question people who think warrior is just a zugzug class

There's a reason I said refresh rend and MS right before it

Maximize ticks left on rend/dw

Hit skullsplitter

All rend/dw ticks happen right then

[rancid heath]

all remaining ticks ?

[torpid roost]

Combined with a cs/sharpen that can absolutely crush someone

Rend and deep wounds deal damage over time

24 sec and... no idea how long DW lasts off the top of my head

Skullsplitter turns damage over time into damage over now

[rancid heath]

damn ! mastery with this rotation is ok?

cuz I saw the # 1 arms is mastery 😮

[torpid roost]

Vers > haste > mastery is what I'm running

Well actually prioritizing haste over vers

But if you're running skullsplitter, mastery is pretty valuable

It's okay even if you aren't but it gains a lot of value for sks builds

[rancid heath]

sks build is heavy bleed build i guess ?

[torpid roost]

Yep

[supple galleon]

so if I have low mastery I should NOT use sks?

[rancid heath]

any build not based on bleed that is viable xD?

[supple galleon]

is shockwave mandatory

[torpid roost]

Not sure, would test

[torpid roost]

Yeah, executioners precision/fatality build works fine as well

Not sure how they'd gear after the crit nerf

[rancid heath]

any link for that build ?

[supple galleon]

Thunderous Roar + No Skullsplitter
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJalSSAAAAABRiASQBRjSiQSoJRIhAEJAAAAAAAAkkSiIgQ0QA

its in the pin

[torpid roost]

^

[rancid heath]

thanks similar playstyle but less bleed ?

[supple galleon]

you just dont use sks

u apply rend thru tc

thats all as far as I can tell

[rancid heath]

sorry tc XD?

[supple galleon]

thunderclap

[torpid roost]

I played a no-rend build for a while but I don't see that at high ratings like at all now

[supple galleon]

rend 2 op

[rancid heath]

damn im not into bleed too much xD guess Ill stick with fury for now lmao

[supple galleon]

fury is trash

[torpid roost]

Just rend

Deepwounds is passive

Roar is fun and useful

[rancid heath]

ok apply rend on kill target only ?

[supple galleon]

the only one you need is rend applied via thudnerclap, you dont actively apply bleeds

you only do that with rend during sks builds

[torpid roost]

With tc you can rend everybody while never pressing that button

[supple galleon]

yeah i dont have rend on my bar lol

just tc

[torpid roost]

Also puts a lot of useless pad damage on demo lock and bm hunter pets

[supple galleon]

oh no what a horrible side effect

[rancid heath]

dayum

but u said that build isnt that good no?

[supple galleon]

it's perfectly fine its preference I think?

[rancid heath]

kk thanks

now just gotta check stats pref for that build lol

[supple galleon]

I got really low mastery and high haste high crit so im using no sks

[rancid heath]

kk i got mast - haste rn

guess Ill try to replace my mast by crit ?

is slam useful ?

[lime fossil]

what are the buyable tier pieces called this season?

[echo aspen]

anyone tried ashkandur in pvp yet ?

[lime fossil]

is it still warboots of impunity

[tidal gulch]

Ele/Boomie/Frost lobby...these ranged lobbies are so annoying

[torpid roost]

Slam is the least useful button you have that you should probably still have bound

[cyan heath]

arms or fury for pvp? i looked at pins but they seem old

[rancid heath]

so basicaly a filler^

?*

[severe skiff]

The normal version could hit for 100k on player (gets the enhanced damage) very likely they nerfed it by now but who knows.

[echo aspen]

even with a 50% nerf thats still pretty solid depending how often it procs

[obsidian loom]

I don't bind slam I'd rather afk

[torpid roost]

Yep

Yeah I use it like, 3 times in a long match and frankly I may be better off just stacking the rage

[supple galleon]

alright I'm mad how are we supposed to beat ret 1v1

[torpid roost]

You don't unless they're just bad or undergeared

[supple galleon]

how is that fair lol

[torpid roost]

Pvp is structured around 3v3 combat mostly, we're on par with them there

1v1 we're fuckmeat though

[supple galleon]

they have endless shields and heals and buffs

we have dbts

getting camped by a ret with 558k hp

shattering throw, dbts, commanding shout, bitter immunity ignore pain

didnt matter one bit

[torpid roost]

yep

[supple galleon]

the thing that makes me the most mad is that none of your cc works when they have a shield and they ALWAYS HAVE A SHIELD

[torpid roost]

kek

and they can kill inside of the shield

[supple galleon]

yeah at least hunters cant fight back

[lime fossil]

when do i use whirlwind

[obsidian loom]

Save cooldown for forbearance and stun fear chain them into a kill opp

Reflect hoj, kite on wings

Most rets can't figure out where wog is so you can win

[fast meteor]

Never?

[royal rose]

Enhance is lowkey fire right now

[torpid roost]

almost never. It's decent for schwacking people out of stealth on a vanish/meld

that's about it though

TC is better if you specced it

[unique fox]

enhance is looking off the chain

[torpid roost]

Turbo seems fun

I've never run that at a high level

[unique fox]

my buddy boosted one and he's melting people out of nothing, all i do is apply sharpen and stun shit

every 1 min with dark arch

[teal hedge]

The rot consumes us all

(Busy wit school and scavenging)

[limber relic]

Enhance is the new ret

Kek

[muted surge]

always was

[limber relic]

Sks getting nerfed? Or getting nerfed?

[unique fox]

Blizz WILL have us pressing slam if its the last thing they do

[torpid roost]

Just make slam apply a buff

Stackable

[mint pulsar]

theres not really many scalewarden items that are good are there, like to spend trophies on

a back and belt maybe?

or what do people do early season to bump ilvl?

[vapid tartan]

Same bro

[vapid tartan]

Wtf who did

[limber relic]

Nvm i was trolled kekw

[vapid tartan]

God bless

[limber relic]

Im looking forward to the 4set bonus for warr. Imagine stacking 2x op into sks to get 3x of the 4set stack into sharpen ms.

🤤

[vapid tartan]

yes seems nice into cleaves

[limber relic]

Yeah i mean even single target. Im assuming the 10% dmg increase stacks too

[vapid tartan]

how does ele damage feel to y’all?

It should

Otherwise the pve would be real mad

[limber relic]

So thats like 50% extra dmg on ms

Every 30s

[vapid tartan]

sks should proc it instantly no?

[limber relic]

Yeah

So u get 3x stacks. Plus if u op 2x

Sharpen 15%

Lol

[vapid tartan]

Yeah with the stormbolt+shockwave stat bonus seems real nice if you can line it up then

[limber relic]

😂

I mean im 100% sure its gonna get nerfed

Warrs cant have nice things

[vapid tartan]

feelin pretty nice so far granted games have been around 1.9 so random shit still happening

destro damage hurts tho

[limber relic]

I got a lobby with sp+frostmage+arcane mage

Feelsbadman

[vapid tartan]

ouch

[limber relic]

I was afk

Couldnt hit shit

[vapid tartan]

😂😂

Open up that wallet time for gnome bro

[limber relic]

2 bad they ugly af

But the root trink is 1.5m cd? Or 2min?

[vapid tartan]

1min

Lol

not shared cd with trink

[limber relic]

Shit its 1min

[vapid tartan]

yeah

And tbh there’s also the upside of tilting people when they get bursted by a naked gnome

[limber relic]

Also an extra 1% haste..

HMMMMMMM

[vapid tartan]

I like it more than orc

Getting out of 6s roots and having bladestorm is nice

[limber relic]

Gnomes ugly af tho.

2 smol

[vapid tartan]

Gotta make it harder for the clickers bro

[limber relic]

😂

True tho

[vapid tartan]

but like deadass I blend into pets in demo games

[limber relic]

Fuck thats tempting ngl. But i have 2 do a server change and a faction change

SInce ally is dead on my server

[vapid tartan]

I mean faction gives you race for free

[limber relic]

I mean like

Horde>ally

Plus server change

[vapid tartan]

Yeah prolly will get fucked for world shit and resource drops but more people to kill too?

Lmao

[torpid roost]

Tier is already 50% nerfed in pvp

Old and new tier

[limber relic]

Wut u mean

[vapid tartan]

the flying boxes that drop

[limber relic]

Ah u mean supply drop?

On EU its alliance dominant in wpvp atm

Being in new zone as horde is a nightmare. 5v1 constantly

[torpid roost]

Target rich environment

[valid wave]

How do we use thunderclap in arena?

[royal cape]

Its fury viable?

[undone pumice]

spread ebola (rend)

[elfin surge]

Yes but arms is better.

[rancid heath]

starting arms and god im never sure what pvp talent to take xD seems like most are meh or very situational?

[elfin surge]

Sharpen baseline pretty much, rest are situational.

[vapid tartan]

Anyone have stance swap macro?

[gaunt notch]

If this paste works (on phone) #fury message

It's from the pins in fury if it didn't work

[vapid tartan]

I’ll try changing the text

[rancid heath]

yeah thats what I went for ! god there are more keybinds and things to think as arms than fury lmao

[gaunt notch]

Right?

[plain lynx]

What piece would you pick first?

[vapid tartan]

Safe option is hold till vault and go from there

[undone pumice]

@mild thunder update pins noob

[rancid heath]

i just wanna mindlessly zugzug lol it aint much but its honest work

[plain lynx]

agree 🙂

[dense herald]

guys

r we going for haste or crit this patch

arms warrior

[teal hedge]

You guys will get ahold of it and start zug-zugging soon enough.

[teal hedge]

Haste - skullsplitter

[dense herald]

aight,do i run badge or insignia

on use or proc trinket

[teal hedge]

On use, make it a macro with avatar

[mild thunder]

will do soon, sorry

well

[inner elbow]

most ppl use insignia with bleed build

[mild thunder]

they're updated

just need fury build

[dense herald]

thx

[inner elbow]

thats kinda sus

[plain lynx]

Thought fury was going to smack, so started buying mastery gear zug zug

[inner elbow]

why would u macro a 1m cd into a 1.5m cd

[teal hedge]

It's a little goofy

[dense herald]

macro it into warbreaker 4head

[inner elbow]

that makes more sense

[teal hedge]

But works well when opening / going

[inner elbow]

cuz with AM its around 30s cd so every 2nd use will have the trinket

[dense herald]

lines up with dragon roar aswell

troar*

;p

[plain lynx]

Would you cast rend or just use Thunder clap?

[jagged yew]

Do we replace s1 conq tier with honor gear? Or do we hold onto tier until we can replace it

[royal rose]

Honor gear

[teal hedge]

Thunder clap goes above rend, yes

Slow, automatic aoe

[mild thunder]

on-use was already pretty mid

defs wouldnt run it now

[teal hedge]

Fr?

[mild thunder]

haste >>> crit

[teal hedge]

Is one use crit now?

[mild thunder]

always has been?

[teal hedge]

*on

Thought it was strength?

[mild thunder]

the base stat is crit

[teal hedge]

The blue one

Oh okay

[jagged yew]

Ty ty

[rancid heath]

as arms we go haste but do we stop at a certain % or just go haste everywhere ?

[urban skiff]

fuck yeah

[obtuse light]

Hey peeps, any tips to a returning warrior. I seem to not be doing any damage :/

as arms

[royal rose]

Copy muds build, rend, smash, sks, deleted

[obtuse light]

Where can I find it ?

and go full mastery or haste for it ?

[royal rose]

Haste > mastery > crit

Can find it on check-pvp

[obtuse light]

lovely, thats what I've been running so far

thanks lads

[urban skiff]

how to fury:
dstance forever
stack up slaughter house
wait for warlock to do some bullshit
collect rating

[scarlet barn]

isnt it like second day of season

[urban skiff]

that's because they're arms dipping into fury for fun

[rancid heath]

is it haste crit or haste mast as arms cuz i see both on top arms lol

[teal hedge]

What

Isn't it haste vers?

Since when are we running mastery???

@mild thunder Help me out

The lobotomy is proving too great for me to muster

[rancid heath]

i dont even mention vers but ofc vers too

yeah #1 arms yesterday in ss was going mastery