pvp

[sage raptor]

Ass and sub cringe. Outlaw true brawler spec.

[lean burrow]

just saw yt video about wow classic griefers getting banned

that was fake

[urban skiff]

oof. It took me like a week

never even bothered with arms so no idea if it was easier or harder

fury was incredibly fun. That's all that matters to me

It may not go as far, but at least I'll be having fun the entire way to 1500

[gray moss]

I like fury for PvE and BG but 2’s and 3’s I love playing arms

[urban skiff]

yeah stacking slaughterhouse on noobs and then popping cds after they blew through everything is great

[stark reef]

Fury def more fun

Difference is exaggerated by the usual suspects

Arms is more versatile which makes it better at the top end, the top 1-3% of the brackets.

That’s it.

2.4k rated players larping on how arms is so much better is just cope.

[green anchor]

If Kiryakos Kapakoulak says it then it must be true

[stark reef]

The leaderboards say it

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle/deathknight/blood

It’s very simple - If you’re 3.3k and want 3.5k+ you need to go arms.

Below that it’s a skill-issue.

[craggy geyser]

Lmaoo

Nah bro FuRy iS BeSt

[magic wing]

Fury burst macro feels VERY satisfying

[craggy geyser]

Arms clapping the entire time is even more satisfying

[swift folio]

havnt been paying any attention to patch notes is arms still gonna be better in S2 pvp once we have tier ?

[green wyvern]

arms > fury

[swift folio]

[stark reef]

You're looking at a 250pt difference in shuffle, 170pt in 3s.

The difference is negligible, play what you like.

Or let randos on discord tell you how to play.

🤝

[iron fractal]

I See warbringer was nerfed to pieces.

[oblique patrol]

Yeah it feels pretty awful now

[vapid tartan]

Arms is just more fun for me lul

what’s even the point of playing if you can’t mortal strike ppl

[drowsy girder]

what should we use the 450 upgrade on as arms warriors

[oblique patrol]

Think most of us have used it on the Primary Stat boots

But you should probably wait till next week - in case something changes

[drowsy girder]

ok fasho ill wait then

[stark reef]

Personally holding all rare ingredients until there is a clear meta

Might be a few weeks

Rather craft the right thing week 4 than sit on the wrong thing until week 8

[rotund trellis]

this

[iron fractal]

What gems should you use for your necklace? atm I got x3 70 Versatility and 33 haste.

[torpid roost]

on the one hand I agree, on the other, having a first 3 weeks gear advantage (even if it's the wrong one) might be clutch

[stark reef]

But if it’s really just gear advantage you’ll have to stop queueing after

Tbh, this is the first season where I’ve ever been active when it launched so I have no clue how this even goes

I watched a vid earlier where someone said to max out conq each week and I realized it will likely be capped

[vapid tartan]

Just queue first 3 weeks on alt lol

[craggy geyser]

Can horde and ally que for normal BG together? If not, what if one person got the merc contract?

[iron fractal]

Does disarm do anything against monks?

[stark reef]

Nothing that justifies it over other pvp talents

[iron fractal]

What about feral druids?

[stark reef]

Same thing

[iron fractal]

Cause I'm switching to disarm after the nerf to warbringer.

[stark reef]

If you just want to sit on one pvp talent and never swap it id run banner over disarm any day of the week.

[iron fractal]

Well I mostly do w-pvp and battlegrounds. So its not for rated.

And I'm fury atm.

Arms in w-pvp.

[stark reef]

Oh, fury you have plenty great options

Logging to check names, 1 sec

[iron fractal]

Running Slaughterhouse, Battle trance and disarm atm.

Because the buddy I usually run bg's and w-pvp with is a ret paladin, so a lot of self reliance.

[stark reef]

Try enduring rage as 3rd option

[iron fractal]

I was considering that, but I saw they changed it in the latest patch.

[torpid roost]

warbanner, sharpen, storm

oh, wait, fury

nevermind

no idea

[iron fractal]

On arms I use Sharpen, Storm, and disarm.

[stark reef]

I haven’t run it myself but saw some high rated fury wars run it

It reads like a good talent tbh

[iron fractal]

But I do wonder if disarm does anything against monks or ferals?

[torpid roost]

I swap in disarm for storm against some classes

mostly war/rogue/pal

nothing on feral

stops some shit on monks, forget what

[iron fractal]

What does the warbanner do?

[stark reef]

Tbh still seeing a lot of people run warbringer - could be because they haven’t played much/changed things but not sure

[stark reef]

It’s arms only - reduces cc by a lot and increases movement speed for 15sec in a specific radius

For you and team/party

[torpid roost]

war banner cuts all CC on you and your team in half

[iron fractal]

Does it work in party only? Cause if I'm in the wrong party with my buddy while doing bg's.

[torpid roost]

and speed, yes

that i don't know

[stark reef]

I’d assume so, yes - don’t think it’s raid wide

Would be broken

[torpid roost]

"All allies within 30 yards"

[stark reef]

That’s busted

[torpid roost]

so either badly phrased or everyone on your team

I mean, shit, there's a reason I use it

also bear in mind it can be oneshot by most classes

doesn't get cleaved

but if they target it they can shut it down (and you should)

[iron fractal]

Having quite the fun atm disarming rogues that opens up on me in bg's though.

The panic.

[stark reef]

Very good into rogues, yes

But so is banner tbh

[iron fractal]

45 sec CD on disarm and 1,5 minute on banner..

Oof they are both tempting options.

So is going Shockwave maybe a better option now instead of Thunderous roar or Spear of bastion?

[craggy geyser]

Isn’t roar still in the build?

[iron fractal]

In the warrior build you have to choose one.

[inner elbow]

you can get both

[iron fractal]

Oh, now that's interesting.

Is there a way to make you switch into pvp gear set instead of the pve one when you jump between the arms and fury tree?

[thick reef]

Make your Fury Spec in the equipment load out tab your pvp one

So when you spec swap it grabs your pvp gear

[iron fractal]

Yeah I found it, my pvp fury was set to protection..

[thick reef]

Kek

Shockwave.exe

Although tbh since Shockwave wasn't CC nerfed, it might actually be decent

Especially if you need to chain CC after a Storm Bolt > Intimidating Shout

[inner elbow]

it was buffed actually

[thick reef]

Pog

[iron fractal]

Ye, from 2 to 3 seconds in pvp.

[inner elbow]

cockwave

[thick reef]

Bro, you don't understand, an extra second on a CC chain is wild

Ask any Rogue while they are throatfucking you lol

[iron fractal]

Sasha grey approved message.

[torpid roost]

rogues throatfuck you?

are you sure you're a warrior?

[teal hedge]

Rogues can be annoying

But I still beat em' up

[final tendon]

Can you still earn the elite tmog items in this 'pre-season' or nah, I noticed my rating still going up from solo shuffle for example.

[mighty matrix]

Nope, guess it just makes you sort of mmr

[teal hedge]

Did they nerf fw?

[iron fractal]

Whats a fun tinker mod to put on your pvp gear?

Considering the battle rez one, but not sure the cast time of it.

[worthy fern]

Do they even work in pvp

Prob the fire blast one

Or invis if they actually work

[graceful ginkgo]

They don’t work in rated PvP

[iron fractal]

Its for w-pvp and bg's.

Does the flamethrower work if you're disarmed?

[dark sparrow]

Nobody probably knows since really nobody cares enough about wpvp & bgs in here to test that shit out

[sharp meteor]

I do an unreal amount of bgs and I still have no idea about the engi tinkers, lmao

[dark sparrow]

But why tho

[sharp meteor]

Because killing 9 people with a bladestorm is funny

[dark sparrow]

Fair. But would you say you care about it tho?

[sharp meteor]

Not really. If I have a group on we win like 95%+ of bgs or something just brute forcing through the enemy team.

[mild thunder]

bgs are only fun if you go in with a pocket healer
bgs are also really unfun if people go in with a pocket healer

the dichotomy of man

[torpid roost]

by the same token, gang rape is enjoyed by 4 of 5 participants, lol

warrior + pocket healer really is just a wrecking ball of fuck though

[spice hornet]

@stark reef watch out for this guy i know hes around your rating

[torpid roost]

worlds fastest oneshots
1700

[stark reef]

Discord with Mic required

🤣

I love how this channel acts like 3s is a reflection of individual skill

It is quite literally 3v3

[torpid roost]

well if you play all 3 characters in it I guess it is

[sharp meteor]

He afks if meme 1-shot does't work

Idk how he plays like 10k games a seas

[stark reef]

He’s working on his YouTube channel

[spice hornet]

aight

[fresh valve]

lol

[stark reef]

Gonna need a source on that to tax the stock market.

[fresh valve]

I'll link it when u get duelist in 3's

[stark reef]

If you want to rate my gameplay based on my compatibility with the average lfg refugee I’m 300 rating tops

[fresh valve]

I can respect that

[spice hornet]

[obsidian loom]

We're all watching mud lole

[torpid roost]

duelist is what, 2k?

[obsidian loom]

2.1

[stark reef]

2.1k, literally free

[torpid roost]

that ain't bad

[spice hornet]

thisll pop soon

[craggy geyser]

Lmao

[mild thunder]

[rancid heath]

whats the name of the tmog you unlocked at 1800 cr ?

[rotund trellis]

crimson gladiator elite set

[rancid heath]

can we actually still unlock it lol?

[tawny brook]

No

[rancid heath]

thanks

[simple rock]

bro if honor resets on Tuesday...

[simple perch]

so are we completely ignoring 4 piece for arms?

[spice hornet]

It’ll be adderall time

[near delta]

It's garbanzo in pve atm so I bet it gets buffed

[fresh valve]

thats what they said about the fury 4pc last season

[tawny brook]

Is anyone but leather going to use sets? The pieces have almost no versatility and the effect is cut by 50%

Leather has plenty of vers

[near delta]

They reworked the vers a few days ago

[tawny brook]

O cool. Thank you

Could be yummy in my tummy for fury 2 pieces

[mild thunder]

oh yea fury 2pc so good mmm 5% rampage dmg and 5% crit chance mmm so good

[tawny brook]

Arms mald

[mild thunder]

malding cause arms is only S+ tier (i want to be SS++ )

[fresh valve]

ya if only that was the case in pve

[mild thunder]

im an enh main in pve

arms ST design is decent, but enh and ww are just leagues more fun

[fresh valve]

nerd

[obsidian loom]

Imagine having 2 characters

[mild thunder]

you dont have an army of warriors?

[obsidian loom]

I have my vanilla warrior and my main warrior

I've been too lazy to level but it's free xp with time walking so maybe I should

I need to be like crusader with 13 hpals

[tawny brook]

Is there bonus xp right now?

[simple perch]

I didn't have a warrior until sometime in shadowlands and I only did it so I could get the light forged draenei mount. But I kinda like it so now I have a warrior that exploded when I die as a racial...

[obsidian loom]

Not explicitly but the end of dungeon XP for time walking is huge

[simple perch]

Ya the bonus is 20-30k more than a regular df dungeon

[hazy isle]

yea warrior is beyond boring in pve, cant stand it

[royal rose]

You could even pay some gold to have someone power level you with gnolls lol, seem someone advertising 60-70 in less than 2hrs for 100k gold

[fresh valve]

arms warrior*

prots lame asf too

[mild thunder]

such a waste of gold... it's like 3 hgours to get to 60-70

[woeful solstice]

100k is like 10 bucks of gold

id rather spend 10 bucks than 3 hours

[uneven turret]

did conquest reset yet or is that May 9th?

[mild thunder]

may 9

[teal hedge]

May 10th for us real people

[teal hedge]

You seem like the type; have you ever played Disco Elysium?

[fresh valve]

I heard pederast is a word used often in the EU

[teal hedge]

Well, it's a homophobic slur :P

[muted surge]

Never heard that

[fresh valve]

homosexuals are called pedophiles in the EU?

[muted surge]

No?

[teal hedge]

Pidaras

But remove those last two ltters and you get

[fresh valve]

pretty sure pederasty was a form of teenage grooming used by the greeks

[muted surge]

Why are you trying to censor a word

[teal hedge]

Iunno, bot-filters?

The russian language is nightmarish

[muted surge]

There’s no picture filter

[fresh valve]

mods could be ruthless one day

[teal hedge]

Been just trying to use it casually in cs and the likes but I cannot

[muted surge]

Cyka blyat?

[teal hedge]

Goes hard

[fresh valve]

Im gonna conquer dagestan

with my pirate army

[teal hedge]

This language is so pretty

[fresh valve]

cyrillic alphabet fucks with the eyes

[teal hedge]

Привет меня зовут Питер Гриффин Я человек

[fresh valve]

more so than kanji or similar imo

[teal hedge]

This shti so cursed

I struggle alot with the accents

ь

This letter is the bane of my existance

[fresh valve]

how easy was learning english?

[teal hedge]

семя (semya) = seed
семья (sem'ya) = family

I mean, I was borderline fluent around 13-14?

Played a lot of videogames growing up

[fresh valve]

very low context language

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I honestly do not know a lick of russian

But I learned cyrillic for the fun of it

I speak english and swedish fluently. I can almost speak german.

My number 1 weakness in german is having a small vocabulary

[fresh valve]

angry germans are hilarious

perfect language to yell at someone with

spanish and italian are languages for psychos

imagine having that as the voice in your head

[teal hedge]

Yeah

Italian being worse

Spanish can be very attractive, especially within music

But italian just sounds like the ravings of a madman

[fresh valve]

depends on where the spanish is

cubans are the worst

[teal hedge]

Mexican spanish goes hard

Been listening to some ballads from Mexico

[fresh valve]

Argentinians are on par with cubans

Mexicans got swag fr

chillest hispanics in my experience

cubans got some serious learning disabilities

[teal hedge]

Dame Un Segundo goes so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGsoIdBNRQ&ab_channel=NivelCodiciado-Topic

[fresh valve]

nothin beats Santana

[teal hedge]

Fun fact: a swedish artist gained some traction in Mexico

Eddie Meduza, a swedish rockabilly-artist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cPeZdvkkQ&ab_channel=RockerQuo

[fresh valve]

lmfao

[teal hedge]

It's called "Himno a la banda" in Mexico

[fresh valve]

dudes rockin black face lol

[teal hedge]

It's supposed to be oil haha

[fresh valve]

yk Blizzards still really racist

look at the cover of shadowlands

Bolvar's been doin blackface since 09

[teal hedge]

Bolvar strait up chillin

[fresh valve]

I stg theyre gonna turn Bolvar white in 2024

[teal hedge]

But yeah, I've been listenin to a bunch of non-english music recently

Goes hard

[fresh valve]

how u feel about the norwegian black metal scene?

[teal hedge]

Pretty cool

I like Burzum

But y'know, fuck Vikernes

Mayhem is sorta cringe though, but they were funny

[fresh valve]

https://tenor.com/view/varg-gif-5465313

Varg's fuckin cooked lmao

[teal hedge]

He's got a youtube channel

[fresh valve]

dudes a literal pagan

which is kinda funny

[teal hedge]

Paganism is cool when done right

There's a small sect of Asatrú in Sweden

Called "forn-sed"

Where they basically do evertyhing except the live sacrifice part

[fresh valve]

can they get me to Valhalla?

[undone pumice]

talking about paganism

didnt the vikings just add jesus as another god to believe in

[teal hedge]

They might've?

[undone pumice]

like oh yeah i worship odin, thor, jesus, freya

[teal hedge]

I know buddhism and hinduism did that

[fresh valve]

yea vikings got christianized

[undone pumice]

vikings were christianized much easier yea

[fresh valve]

Baldur's a pretty good example

[undone pumice]

baldur is basically jesus yeah

[teal hedge]

Balder?

[undone pumice]

baldr

[teal hedge]

Baldr is the wannabe nordic spelling

[undone pumice]

the guy who dies to hodr's mistletoe spear throw

[undone pumice]

i legit just misclicked

[teal hedge]

lmao

but same with hodr

[fresh valve]

doesnt baldur come back?

[undone pumice]

yeah

[teal hedge]

Most gods names do not end with "r" in swedish, at least

[undone pumice]

after ragnarok

along with some of thor or odins sons i think

[teal hedge]

So we say Heimdall, Ratatosk etc

[undone pumice]

ratatosk?

ragnarok?

[teal hedge]

No that's Ragnarök

Ratatosk is the silly little rodent

[fresh valve]

hes talkin bout the squirrel

[undone pumice]

bro what

[fresh valve]

ratatoskr

[undone pumice]

i dont know much about nordic monsters

[teal hedge]

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratatosk

Little guy

[undone pumice]

i only know nidhogg, jormungander, utgard loki and sleipnir

[fresh valve]

sleipnir

[teal hedge]

Sleipner

goofy ahh horse

[undone pumice]

9 legged horse

[fresh valve]

horny ass horse

[undone pumice]

loki getting raped and birthing sleipnir is peak norse fanfic

furries in 800 A.D. be like

[teal hedge]

Then there's Ymer and Mimer

Pretty cool guys

Both giants

[fresh valve]

ones dead and the others a head

[undone pumice]

utgard loki also funny

[teal hedge]

Utgard loki?

[undone pumice]

utgard loki trolling thor

loki, thor and some peasant kids go to utgard

and then their king is called utgard loki

and he trolls thor

[fresh valve]

werent loki and thor kinda bros?

[teal hedge]

Utgårdaloke

They were brothers

But Loki was still a major pain in the ass

And ultimately helped kill both Thor and Odin

[undone pumice]

loki wqs also blood brothers with odin no?

[teal hedge]

Loki was Odins son.

[fresh valve]

I was sayin in the friend sense

[undone pumice]

if you got locked under the earth and got poison dripping in your eyes for a long time i thibk youd hate the people who locked you up bro

[fresh valve]

loki is the son of some jotuun

[teal hedge]

Shouldn't have fucked around and found out

I think he also had his mouth sewn shut?

[undone pumice]

imagije your downfall being INVENTING A FISHING NET

[teal hedge]

Because he wouldn't stop tricking people

[fresh valve]

Loki fucked around and sired a snake

[undone pumice]

yeah when he lost a bet with the dwarves who made mjolnir, gungnir, that ship thst folds up, sif's hair and frey's chariot

and odins armband that clones itself

[fresh valve]

draupnir

[undone pumice]

ya

[teal hedge]

The bastardisation of my language

[undone pumice]

bro

[teal hedge]

Mjölner, oy vey

[fresh valve]

hinga dinga durgen

[vapid tartan]

How do u feel about the Norse shit in wow lol

[undone pumice]

your language isnt real

neither is mine

[teal hedge]

It's pretty cool

Iunno, the more people that read about my heritage the better

But it's also pretty cringe

[fresh valve]

Im waiting for Odyn to be kind of a bad guy

[teal hedge]

A lot of people use said heritage to promote hate

[vapid tartan]

Isnt odyn already kind of a bad guy

[teal hedge]

He's a schemer

[fresh valve]

I mean he did fuck Helya over

[hearty python]

mNa6Ubze

[fresh valve]

and fucked around with some history stuff

[vapid tartan]

He did to other people as well

There was one dude he raised back to life just cause he thought it was funny or some shit

[teal hedge]

I mean, when you really look at the pagan religion

[vapid tartan]

Why couldn’t he rez garrosh

[undone pumice]

odyn in wow is more like tyr in norse myth tho right? more of a war god than a trickster/wisdom god

[teal hedge]

It was more just people declaring love for one personal god/goddess and rolling with it.

[undone pumice]

because hes still definitely all of those

[teal hedge]

Tyr did basically nothing, sadly

[fresh valve]

nah Odyn's pretty much Odin

[undone pumice]

tyr played with fenrir and then lost his hand to hik

[teal hedge]

Or at least, the scriptures we have surrounding the aesir faith barely has him in it.

[undone pumice]

fenrir was a good boy

[teal hedge]

Tyr was a real g

[vapid tartan]

Odyn was also running shit when the old gods did the curse of flesh stuff right

[teal hedge]

Iunno about dat part

[undone pumice]

@teal hedge wodan = odin?

[teal hedge]

Yep!

[fresh valve]

he got pissed that the titans buffed some lizards

[teal hedge]

That's his germanic name

[undone pumice]

theres a wooden rollercoaster in southern germany called wodan and it sfucking lit

in the europapark

[vapid tartan]

Ur from Germany?

[undone pumice]

switzerland

[fresh valve]

https://tenor.com/view/drachenlord-drachenlord-schwert-drache-sword-gif-17502764

[undone pumice]

germany if u buy the battle pass basically

[vapid tartan]

Oh nice y’all got chocolate and shit right

[undone pumice]

omg rainer winkler

[undone pumice]

and cheese

[elfin surge]

Good morning friends

[fresh valve]

the true Dragon Lord

[undone pumice]

drachenlord my beloved

[vapid tartan]

[fresh valve]

I wish he sprayed me with his garden hose

[vapid tartan]

0.0

[fresh valve]

https://tenor.com/view/drachenlord-gif-25345839

[undone pumice]

no1 knows how drachenlord hasnt blown himself up while cooking or doing literally anything

[fresh valve]

I wonder if his house is cleaner than Asmongold's

[undone pumice]

yes

yes it is

he just has random trinkets

asmongold has random food

[teal hedge]

I got boxes and foil on my table

As well as an empty liqor and wine bottle

[undone pumice]

i got an obscene amount of grip trainers and pens on my gaming desk

[teal hedge]

(I like their looks, I drank them a while ago)

Jägermeister and mead my beloved

[undone pumice]

milk and milk my beloved

[magic wing]

I got nothing but my laptop and ps4 on my desk

[undone pumice]

a real gamer

[magic wing]

Everything black and red too lol gotta match the elite set

[fresh valve]

I remember when I used a laptop to play WoW back in cata

[undone pumice]

laptop to grind runescape while at school

[magic wing]

Its the best

[undone pumice]

old money

[fresh valve]

I was in 5th grade

[magic wing]

Can game while sick in the bed

Can game on the shitter if you wanted to

[undone pumice]

just use go go gadget extendo hands

to game FROM your bed

[magic wing]

And its cheaper than desktop these days

[fresh valve]

the only laptop I use now is the one I use for college shit

[magic wing]

Macbook ?

[fresh valve]

ya

still uses MacOS Big Sur lol

[wanton siren]

Sup guys, excited to blast the new season? Gotta try to get 2.4 for the crazy blue weapons this time around 😍

Are we crafting anything special? I made the boots on some characters and then saw you can plop the token into anything 🤦‍♂️

[elfin surge]

@wanton siren boots seem the best, most are crafting boots.

[mint pulsar]

we going haste this season?

versa-haste ofc

[fringe bison]

Is fury still looking to be alot worse than arms in arena this season? If so, what makes and do much better?

[wanton siren]

Thanks 👢🔪

[elfin surge]

Yes we stackin haste

[elfin surge]

Fury is looking pretty decent this season but not as good as arms.

[obsidian loom]

BM gets perma slaughterhouse

Fury gets ...

[elfin surge]

[obsidian loom]

That BM clown show was wild on stream

[elfin surge]

bm is disgusting

intervene reflected 3 traps off my healer in a row

doesnt matter dead to pets

[obsidian loom]

The thing that got me was the only damage was barbed shot and auto attacks

[elfin surge]

[fringe bison]

Thank you, what is it that makes and better in pvp while fury is better in pve? The damage profile? Defensives?

I've not really played arms much but I'm tempted to learn it for pvp

[torpid roost]

pretty much that

burstier, huge healing reduction via sharpen

defensives are spikier too, which, given the cooldown trading that pvp has kinda morphed into

[elfin surge]

slaughterhouse doesnt work with anything with a MS which makes it unreliable in shuffle

its main defensive (healing) is countered by dampening or high MS effects

disarms completely shut its damage down

[torpid roost]

I keep saying they need to like, give it a necrotic strike kind of effect or something rather than a lame version of MS

[elfin surge]

gets crushed by melee

list goes on

but

damage seems good

[wanton siren]

Stacking haste on arms huh, oh that's gotta be fun to play

I still have my crit gear on

[elfin surge]

Vers haste is BIS now

[torpid roost]

also BM and Demo can fuck right off

[elfin surge]

[torpid roost]

I have a warlock, he's never been anything other than destro and affi

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gif-23143840

[wanton siren]

demo got lost from a leveling spec into pvp 😂

[torpid roost]

they're seriously such degen specs

[torpid roost]

kek

[elfin surge]

<@&257983573498265600> can we have a pvp SF please?

[fringe bison]

@elfin surge thank you very much! Time to learn arms then 🙂

[elfin surge]

time 2 win

[wanton siren]

you wont regret it, arms has some of the best animations in game

[teal hedge]

Yeah, execute and mortal strike not only do alot of damage, they feel like it as well

[wheat moon]

where can i see those wps?

[mild thunder]

<@&257983573498265600> can we have a pvp SF please? i nominate @spice hornet as he is the smartestest and bestest warrior in #pvp (he runs no bladestorm or intervene)

[wanton siren]

In the uncollected weapons section for now, when the season starts there will be a vendor in the pvp room

[mild thunder]

i miss @spice hornet tom brady pfp era

[torpid roost]

I just assume anyone with that as a pfp is trolling like mad

tangentially political, but, not really political, lol

think most the political and lifting chat should calm down once there's actually a season

[wheat moon]

sad thing warrior set is red lol

[torpid roost]

goes well with the mythic set

[wanton siren]

Seems not all weapons are inthe colelctions tab, gotta wait for vendor

[wanton siren]

I actually like that the sets are different colors it's the effort that is needed

[spice hornet]

Tom Brady pfp was goated

[royal rose]

[mild thunder]

tom brady would be an arms main fr

we're literally the quarterbacks of pvp

[analog merlin]

I've been demolishing as fury so maybe i'm the odd man out

[torpid roost]

If you're crushing as fury you'd just do it harder as arms

but, if it's what you wanna play, play it, more power to ya

[mild thunder]

ive been demolishing your mum every night, but that just makes me like everyone else

[analog merlin]

basic af

[mild thunder]

fury player calling people basic

[muted surge]

Wanting a mod here just screams that your bench is low. No shaming ofc

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge your bench is low. no shaming ofc

[elfin surge]

this is body shaming and will not be tolerated.

[mild thunder]

woah woah woah, i said "no shaming ofc"

[muted surge]

Is there realy any content that’s against server rules or tos tho

Even the pvp channel seems less toxic than other class discords :x

[mild thunder]

the terminally off-topic content is a lil cringe, as well as the constant politic-baiting

no one cares that you were an edgy 4chan user, please develop a new personality

[elfin surge]

this chat was already nuked before

[mild thunder]

i also want all people that ask whether fury is better than arms to be permanently banned from all pvp servers

[elfin surge]

cuz some people like @fickle forge body shame others

and @mild thunder

[muted surge]

Yeah but that was like what, over a year ago?

I missed the good version of the channel :(

[muted surge]

Weren’t you part of the political baiting tho

[torpid roost]

Basically everything we've talked about this week is what's off limits (probably)

I read the rules, just... look I've slept since then

[hot solstice]

2h intelect sword

got baited

[craggy geyser]

lmfaoooooo

[fickle forge]

Don't make me leak the snap you sent me this morning

[elfin surge]

how did they fuck it up again

[muted surge]

Discord has stricter rules than America

[elfin surge]

the vendor one is strength

[mild thunder]

ig it's the hpala + evoker only weapon

[wanton siren]

it's int on war too?!?

[hot solstice]

nope

drackthyr

damage 3 times lower than avarage str weapon

[mild thunder]

tbf i never started any of the debates, i just argued in them

[hot solstice]

no daggers for rogues on vendor btw

[muted surge]

[torpid roost]

forced combat spec

[muted surge]

Easy balance

[analog merlin]

listen listen. nothing could be worse than the warlock discord that openly has a genshin impact section so. there's that

[elfin surge]

[knotty atlas]

No.

[elfin surge]

ggs

[mild thunder]

[green anchor]

[mild thunder]

@neat robin would make me stormforged if he was a mod

[analog merlin]

🥲

[mild thunder]

ngl a demonology server is more cringe

[analog merlin]

in a pvp scenario where you're going against a destro and demon, which one would you focus more?

[green fiber]

guys do I apply rend by using rend or tclap?

[mild thunder]

depends on build/how many people you're versing

[green fiber]

I see, thanks

[mint pulsar]

whats everyones gear-patch come wednesday? honor gear -> crafted (what piece)?, or this already done? -> bloody tokens wep or offpieces for upgrades with trophies? into...?

[novel kite]

is this cycle good?

[analog merlin]

depends. did you get the killing blow?

[novel kite]

w

no i couldnt kill him

[analog merlin]

then no xD

[novel kite]

AAHAHAHAHAHAH

OMG

i want to get better at pvp

and not get a better comadian

[analog merlin]

damage obviously helps but closing the deal is the real skill

[stark reef]

People really crying about off-topic conversations during pre-patch

🤣

[bright stream]

is there a tl;dr on what we needa do week 1 of the patch?

[stark reef]

Wait for blizzard to release the full game

[analog merlin]

what is blizzard EA now lol

[wheat jay]

Get full bloody tokens before seaosn starts

To get FULL 434 set

[mild thunder]

and get the spark of shadowflame

[stark reef]

Is there a confirmation on honor reset?

[mild thunder]

to be readyt to craft

[fickle forge]

Sturmangriff

[bright stream]

that sounds like a lot of work

[bright stream]

honor wont reset, but conq will be converted to honor and paid out probably at 35s for each point above 15k honor

[torpid roost]

Destro. You can actually stop some of his damage

[bright stream]

as it has been since the dawn of time

[stark reef]

So then full honor set is what, 12k honor?

Why get tokens?

[fickle forge]

[wheat jay]

Kargish

You stun them

3s of immortality

[analog merlin]

thank you. made the mistake of picking the demon last night in shuffle. 2 furys vs. 2 warlocks, warlocks won

[mild thunder]

doesnt really apply - gear has never scaled like it does now, and not resetting honour would make pretty much no sense

[analog merlin]

but my warrior teammate was doggo

[wheat jay]

Ndoggo?

[fickle forge]

What are you talking about hunter main

[analog merlin]

dog shit*

[wheat jay]

You stun lock

Lock cant do dmg

You dont get damaged

[mild thunder]

i miss him (i dont)

[wheat jay]

You dont die

[bright stream]

I see what ur saying, but I think about it partly this way - if they changed the automatic system that does it the way I described a team has to build/test that change, whole lotta work for basically no return

[elfin surge]

[fickle forge]

You're so wise hunter main

[wheat jay]

I know

[torpid roost]

Ndogo was a cool dude, what happened to him?

[bright stream]

rerolled to mage so they banned him

[mild thunder]

he got bullied out by @quick carbon

[torpid roost]

Kekkk

[bright stream]

that's my head cannon and I refuse to believe its anything else

[elfin surge]

man

[fickle forge]

Found a better place to spend his time

[torpid roost]

I'd reroll warlock or something, not mage

[bright stream]

you can't personally attack me like this, we just gunning down innocent bystanders like it's texas or something?

[elfin surge]

you can't personally attack me like this, we just gunning down innocent bystanders like it's texas or something?

[mild thunder]

he kept calling people woke and @quick carbon made fun of him until he left

[bright stream]

I'll have you know that at 30 this place is completely rad and cool

[mild thunder]

true story

[fickle forge]

you can't personally attack me like this, we just gunning down innocent bystanders like it's texas or something?

[elfin surge]

[torpid roost]

You can't Texas me, personally, are we just bystanding innocent guns like it's a gunned down or something?

[elfin surge]

what is going on

[fickle forge]

You started it

So you tell us

[torpid roost]

Sizable thonk

[bright stream]

I think we're starting a mens support club for ... lukey?

like this

[analog merlin]

downtown detroit more suitable or any of those wonderful inner cities we have

[bright stream]

as someone who knows nothing about American cities/states

in my mind detroit is just the experience I had in midnight club 3

isn't it like, all post flood ghetto now though?

[stark reef]

This is Detroit

[bright stream]

fark, what a champion

[stark reef]

If that pin isn’t 1,2,3,4 it’s over

[undone pumice]

i bet its 123

also who tf uses an ATM

weirdos

[analog merlin]

essentially the news doesn't report the insane amount of shootings in inner cities unless it's local news. you just kinda know it's going on without even hearing about it anymore lol

[bright stream]

it's the poors, getting cash for the tax dodge

(is that a thing over in the united states of freedom?)

[analog merlin]

come visit one of our beautiful cities!

[undone pumice]

same thing with south london stabbings i hear

south london is a pvp zone

[analog merlin]

lmfaao

[undone pumice]

contested territory

[bright stream]

if silicone valley wants to throw a bag of money at me, I'd consider it, but it'd have to be a big bag

[undone pumice]

warsong gulch is in korea

[bright stream]

cause of you know, all the fucking bullets

[analog merlin]

Texas is awesome tho. GOAT state by far

[undone pumice]

i got a friend from texas thats been living in ch for like 20 years

bro is chill as hell taught me alot about the gym

[novel kite]

?

[analog merlin]

moving to cali with modest means is insane unless you're rich.

[muted surge]

German names suck ass

[undone pumice]

bro what

[bright stream]

think they're firing all their software devs atm anyways

[analog merlin]

Origmmar is Kensington, Philadelphia.

based on how shitty they both look

[undone pumice]

Blitzkrieg is fire

german names are lit bro

[analog merlin]

blizzard too atm. they fired their mage dev so i rerolled to warrior this new season lol

well. Dave went on vacation for a couple years but I'm sure he'll be back for his class eventually

[undone pumice]

mages get owned

[analog merlin]

Mages are... neglected it hurts

[undone pumice]

get fuckee

[elfin surge]

[bright stream]

nah fuck em, I played this game too long to feel bad for mages

[analog merlin]

spent all my time last season on mage. rerolled to zug zug and am essentially invincible in pvp

[mild thunder]

frost mage was so neglected last season (they only spammed 1 button to oneshot)

[bright stream]

'oh no! only 1 of my specs is decent, and another one is okay and really fun!' - absolutely eat a large pile of poo

[undone pumice]

this is not the place to get mage sympathy@analog merlin

[analog merlin]

lmfaoo I see that

[bright stream]

the early season glacial stuff was sick

[mild thunder]

arcane spent the entire season being criminally underrated as well

[analog merlin]

PTSD is STRONG rn

[bright stream]

I mained mage for years as well Vicky mate

[mild thunder]

"oh no we procced precog and now we lose"

[bright stream]

then I learned about 180ms deathgrip

and I was like

[mild thunder]

precog is the most retarded thing ever added to wow pvp

[bright stream]

it was a lot more balanced at honor gear levels of haste

right now, it's borderline overpowered

and when the season starts

it's going to be actually fucked

[mild thunder]

it's just fucking dumb - there already is a reward for juking kicks... YOU JUKED THE FUCKING KICK

[bright stream]

some classes cast only using a single school and don't have tools for making themselves immune to kick like....

....

[mild thunder]

now i get to lose games because my feral and i both kicked the 0.5s fear cast and now we get to die to 10 chaos bolts from an unstoppable destro lock

[bright stream]

arcane mage?

[undone pumice]

[undone pumice]

time to swap to dota

[analog merlin]

still being new to warrior, which class would you say is our kryptonite as of rn?

[mild thunder]

im a smite main now

only downside of smite is no proper oce ranked scene

everyone that plays it is a GM-tier player, so ranks are meaningless

[novel kite]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-kumala-la-kumala-la-savesta-kumala-my-honest-gif-26073681

[craggy geyser]

any idea where dalaran pvp vendors are now for transmogs?

[mild thunder]

new or old?

[craggy geyser]

well i deff dont see them where they used to be in dalran

[undone pumice]

whichever class just killed you

[mild thunder]

new dalaran are in the faction enclaves

[cobalt crystal]

Mages

[undone pumice]

old dalaran is in sewers, legion dalaran is above the org portal for horde

no idea about ally

[craggy geyser]

theres the portals for AB / Warsong there but no pvp vendor

[analog merlin]

The irony.

[craggy geyser]

would it be in sewers

[mild thunder]

legitimate answer is that arms does pretty well into everything because of how diverse our kit is and our natural tankiness, but bm, sv and rogue are all probably going to be super cringe this season

[undone pumice]

the real answer is it depends on you as a player and how you use the tools you have

[mild thunder]

doesnt matter how you use your tools when rogues remove all your tools

[analog merlin]

I never lose 1v1 world PvP YET. Just whatever random combo in shuffle that gets thrown my way so I can't really figure out if my teammates are doggo or their 2 dps combo wombo is more superior

[vague crater]

why we go shockwave now? and what would be the ideal use? SB on healer and SW on main target(s)? thanks

[mild thunder]

wpvp isn't really an indicator of anything

[analog merlin]

shh

it makes me feel god like

[mild thunder]

ive never versed someone in wpvp that was higher than like 1500

cringe ret rerollers spam-laughing because they can barely 3v1 an arms warrior

[undone pumice]

wpvp is 99% just initiated by someone that is clearly overgeard/levelled or knows the matchup in 1v1 is horrible

so basicslly as a warrior everyone will fuck you up for no reason because bad 1v1 class historicslly but its become a lot better so u can surprise them most of the time

[mild thunder]

wpvp is 99% initiated by people that are hoping you're afk

[undone pumice]

thats more like the rest of the 1%

1% afk snipers, 99% super confident

[mild thunder]

id flip it

[cobalt crystal]

we taking shockwave now?

Hell.. I'm gonna have to experiment with builds..

[analog merlin]

always shadowmeld in when afk. ez

[stark reef]

Tracking questing lowbies with omnibar in full glad gear is the real content

[analog merlin]

jfc

[cobalt crystal]

savage

[analog merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-personal-kid-teleports-behind-you-megaman-battle-network-battle-network-megaman-exe-gif-25890807

Blood trinket is a bloody trinket..

[stark reef]

Exactly, they all drop one - I don’t make the rules

[elfin surge]

yes

[vague crater]

@elfin surge

[elfin surge]

shockwave got buffed to 3 seconds in pvp and stormbolt got nerfed to 3 seconds + the removal of the cc reduction set bonus its actually a solid stun. Most bolts will be used on healers and shockwave on kill target

[vague crater]

ok perfect, thanks for the explanation!

[mild thunder]

is fury better than arms now???

[elfin surge]

[blazing elbow]

What's current meta pvp build. Any1 can share?

[mild thunder]

[stark reef]

How can people ask about a meta with a straight face when there isn’t even honor gear?

[mild thunder]

[blazing elbow]

i am straight. then my face is straight.

[blazing elbow]

isn't it outdated?

[stark reef]

Ignore Gala, he’s a larp - this is your meta:

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle/deathknight/blood

[mild thunder]

links to blood dks

[stark reef]

It’s the landing page - if you can’t select your spec you need to uninstall the game

[mild thunder]

why would you not just link murlok.io

[stark reef]

This is the first thing off google

10 more pages like it, very true

[mild thunder]

link to murlok.io so you can see a breakdown of people running the same builds as the 3 in pins

[elfin surge]

shuffle players know nothing

3v3 players

[mild thunder]

extremely rare mud W

[stark reef]

So select 3v3 in the drop-down

[elfin surge]

[stark reef]

I know these pages are challenging, I spent hours trying to find war amongst all those blood dks

[mild thunder]

dont mind @elfin surge, he's a noob

he cant even beat dekel in a 1v1

[elfin surge]

who?

[mild thunder]

your father

[elfin surge]

statbug.exe

[zinc willow]

Can any of you fill me in on your burst rotation for thunderous roar+SS build? I want to know if i'm doing it semi right or right: rend, avatar, warbreaker, SS, then reapply deepwounds and then thunderous roar, bs, etc...

[mild thunder]

im gonna server boost dekel's discord out of spite

[elfin surge]

yeah im just not seeing anyone named dekel here

@mild thunder

[mild thunder]

he's too good for retail\

[elfin surge]

[stark reef]

Does he say that?

[elfin surge]

no1 cares ab him

[mild thunder]

he got beaten by the mies in classic 2s

his career is over

https://tenor.com/view/rage-crusader3455-crusader-wow-baby-rage-gif-26170978

[fickle forge]

B L O O D D E A T H K N I G H T

[elfin surge]

Wind shear

If I land this button they can use the 1 and a half global 2 second lockout to cast from a different school and if I overlap this kick with someone else or use this kick 0.1 seconds after they cancel their cast then they get bloodlust and divine shield for 5 seconds LMAOOOO

Please make precog duration equivalent to the kick duration.
If you juke shear you get precog for 2 seconds.
If you juke counterspell you get precog for 5 seconds.
Please.

[stark reef]

It's not lookin good bruv

[elfin surge]

mud exposed

[mild thunder]

rip, im subbed to the wrong streamer

[elfin surge]

ur not a mud sub

[mild thunder]

im a mud sub at heart

[elfin surge]

[stark reef]

Gala even larping as a mud sub

🤣

[spice hornet]

Dekel still waiting in wrath classic dalaran sewers for @elfin surge to log in and duel him

[elfin surge]

that game is so dead

[spice hornet]

I can’t imagine why

Wrath pvp fucking sucks

[mild thunder]

classic is keeping wow alive

[elfin surge]

xaryu is the new asmongold

like actually

[spice hornet]

My friends play classic, it’s so bad, they just raid log, buy gold, buy boosts/GDKPs

The only people who arena on there are the people who played wotlk private servwrs for 10 years

[mild thunder]

so fun bro, it's an authentic experience bro, retail just doesnt have the same feeling bro, the devs dont care about retail bro

[spice hornet]

Lmao

[elfin surge]

the only two teams still playing

[spice hornet]

Yeah it’s not the authentic experience at all. It’s sweaty try hard mode, worse than retail

[mild thunder]

@ me when SL classic drops

[spice hornet]

Condemn spam with execute charge

[mild thunder]

conq banner ret warr 2.0

but skip the outlaw meta

[wanton siren]

They said they would make arena in wrath just like retail so you don't have to commit to one mongo, where that 🤷‍♂️

[spice hornet]

No dh/boomy end of s2 pls

So many boosted apes

[spice hornet]

Lmao what?

[wanton siren]

During end of tbc I read that somewhere

[spice hornet]

Maybe you’re thinking of how they ported over the retail rating/queue system into tbc?

Wotlk^

[wanton siren]

Possibly yeah, could have optimistically imagined the rest

[mint pulsar]

stupid noob here, question

shockwave reads 2 secs, you discuss it as 3

tooltip error?

[mild thunder]

nah, it's just 3 seconds if you're a chad

otherwise too bad

[wanton siren]

Damn perma stunned if facing Mud

[mild thunder]

https://drustvar.com/pvp-spells

it's got pvp-specific tuning

[mint pulsar]

❤️

[wheat jay]

"embrace the gamerjuice"

Fucking mannoroth blood

[ruby temple]

Haven't had a chance to pvp much this week. is pikaboos video of fighting against 1400 players correct? Is our healing bongos and we're going to get a nerf next week?

[worthy fern]

@ruby temple I don’t think arms is on the chopping block imo

There’s a lot of other specs that are more bonkers

[ruby temple]

I'm sure demo and BM are still going to be running the show. Bet we'll see more boomies this patch too..as a former balance main I'm excited to get my asshole starsurged out

[wet scarab]

stupid question but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the rotation with skullsplitter and what the appropriate setup with it is. Haven't played it in raid for a long time let alone in pvp

[worthy fern]

@ruby temple I think enh will be nerfed early

Some ridiculous healing and dmg rn

[ruby temple]

True but I feel like without decent healing they just fall over to our damage anyways. It'd be cool to see some new specs in the meta

[wary heart]

nice to see you got sponsored

[wary heart]

wait for the screetching tismo from enh mains

most oppressed class NA

[near delta]

You c-smash, rend, skullsplitter basically.

It feels awkward af

[wary heart]

sks is such an out of place button

i dislike nu-arms

[near delta]

Yeah I hate it tbh

But it does the big damm

[wary heart]

you can line up sks with every cs

if you're careful

[near delta]

You should just hold it for csmash unless someone is super close to dying imo

[wet scarab]

ok so it's just a matter of lining them up with CS and Rend, that seems simple enough but yeah it's awkward af

thank you for explaining ❤️

[near delta]

No problem

[wary heart]

to get max dam out of it, i've found you want rend, MS to refresh rend, then SKS

[near delta]

The big thing is that skullsplitter is based off your deep wounds and rend dots

C-smash puts up the deep wounds and rend puts up the rend

[wary heart]

ms resets and adds to rend time

[near delta]

Or thunder clap if you're playing that build

[near delta]

Only when the target is below 35%

[wary heart]

in addition to deep wounds

hmm yes yes

[wet scarab]

execute refreshes rend as well now right?

with 10.1, or is that only if you talent EP

[cobalt crystal]

So boys... Looking forward to using SLAM again ?!?!?...

my action bars are so bloated T_T..

[dark sparrow]

Only mortal strike and only when they are below 35%

[dark sparrow]

Nobody is gonna play slam

Unless for the memes

[cobalt crystal]

Even with the Set bonus?

[wet scarab]

ah yes you're right

[dark sparrow]

We prob not even gonna run set

[wet scarab]

the set bonus isn't slam anymore

[cobalt crystal]

Damn, really? Okay.

[ruby temple]

Top arms don't wear any armor just a weapon anyways

[cobalt crystal]

Good.. good.. I don't want to have slam on my bars ..

[wary heart]

i'd rather afk than hit slam

[near delta]

I think we probably end up running set.

[cobalt crystal]

Got enough K-binds as is.

[wet scarab]

Deep Wounds critical strikes have a chance to increase the damage of your next Mortal Strike by 10% and cause it to deal [(19.32% of Attack power) * 2] Physical damage to enemies in front of you, stacking up to 3 times. Damage reduced above 5 targets.

[near delta]

It's a 5% damage bonus to only drop a bit of vers

[wet scarab]

why wouldn't you run it?

[near delta]

Although I haven't looked at the crafted pieces

They nerfed tier by 50% on ovp

*pvp

[cobalt crystal]

Ahh.. I looked at out-dated Tier set bonuses then

[worthy fern]

I’m curious if any of the dmg proc embellishments will be good

[cobalt crystal]

the one I saw said it bluffed slam

[near delta]

And until a couple days ago we only had one vers piece

[wet scarab]

it does need tuning in pve so hopefully it'll get better

[wet scarab]

they changed that about a month ago

[near delta]

Yeah I expect it to get pve buffs as well

[cobalt crystal]

I clicked the top link when I googled it

[ruby temple]

Yeah but what about fury with their set bonus??

[cobalt crystal]

figured it must've been it

[worthy fern]

Fury will never be better than arms again unless it’s damage is just twice as good

Or they change slaughter back

[wary heart]

until slaughterhouse is reverted back to 10.0 version (i.e., never), disregard fury

[cobalt crystal]

Fury in Season 1 Start.... ohh that one week of glory.. I miss it

[wet scarab]

give fury 3x heroic leap

[ruby temple]

What if instead of proccing healing on bloodthirst it gave a lil shield for that amount instead would that make them keep up or be busted? I feel what makes fury bad as well is their primary survivability is tanked by dampening but I also kiss girls so I don't play fury much

[wary heart]

dogshit ms is what makes fury bad

[wet scarab]

imagine not having MS

[wary heart]

and all the tunnel X modifiers fury abilities has, so swapping is a big cost

its in a terrible state tbh

[stark reef]

The difference between arms and fury are most obvious at the very top. If you play anything below 3.3k solo or 2.9k in 3s you can play fury based on last seasons data.

This season my of course be different.

Fury loses a lot of tempo once they swap targets but have higher single target pressure than arms.

[wet scarab]

I don't know how anyone can play any spec or class that doesn't have the arms sweeping strikes execute animation tbh, they're all missing out

[worthy fern]

@ruby temple you jsut gain nothing right now for fur

[ruby temple]

I feel like flavor wise it should be the opposite for fury they should get rewarded for swapping around like a crack head. Doesn't seem very furious to beat up one guy vs whoever is closest

[worthy fern]

Lose banner sharpen

[stark reef]

Tempo loss is due to slaughterhouse needing to stack vs ms being instant full value.

[worthy fern]

Arms is tankier

[stark reef]

I thought that initially but it’s not quite true - the passive healing from your dps rotation as fury is very strong

Since you just heal 3% on every bloodthirst

[wet scarab]

that passive rotational healing isn't that useful when you're getting zugged in an opener against a ret and WW

[worthy fern]

IP costing basically nothing for arms

[ruby temple]

So I get they don't want every class to be the same so what if instead of it having a duration and then falls off when you get to max stacks like every 3-4 seconds one stack drops off. So if you need to swap back and forth it's not super punishing but does let you wallop someone for a bit to keep up pressure

[wary heart]

passive healing is fine in LFG early game but by the time you hit dampening you lose most of your utility and nullification-based abilities like BOP or rogue shroud outpace fury utility by a long shot

[stark reef]

IP is amazing, no question. Arms is better at the top end, no question.

But I don’t think anyone in this channel except Mud is actually pushing rating to a point where you actually cannot progress as fury.

[worthy fern]

That’s not true

[cobalt crystal]

The Bloodthirst heal is nerfed in PvP I believe, they reduced it to 2%

[wary heart]

i mean, maybe, but there's practically no furies above 2400 in LFG

[worthy fern]

Plenty of people in here push rating

[quick carbon]

just make fury’s Ms 25%

[worthy fern]

Even getting glad it makes no sense to play worse spec

[quick carbon]

Applied by rampag e

[ruby temple]

Well personally I just like arms more but I think seeing more specs when queuing makes it more fun

[stark reef]

If you’re past 3.3k solo or past 2.9k in 3s it’s time to go arms.

[quick carbon]

No stacking

[stark reef]

Before that fury is playable

[wary heart]

i think fury had a single R1

[worthy fern]

I mean

[wary heart]

its terrible

[worthy fern]

I’d you’re a worse player

It makes sense to play the better spec

Logically

[cobalt crystal]

Past 3.3k hahah.. Oh man do I suck. I struggle just getting 2.1.. holy moly.

[worthy fern]

Point is fury was only ever good when it had one of the most broken mechanics in the game baked into its rotation

It has several useless pvp talents and a few that are mandatory jsut to play the spec

[ruby temple]

True chads play the better spec and still sit at 1800

[stark reef]

I’d say fury is easier to pilot than arms

[worthy fern]

It’s an easier spec rotationally yea

[cobalt crystal]

Fury is way easier

[worthy fern]

Are we looking at someone who pvps or someone who jsut drools on their keyboard

[cobalt crystal]

its not even close. you just run in, unga-bunga

[worthy fern]

Cause arms isn’t hard

[ruby temple]

I like that fury can cleanse roots and shit too but I feel like it comes at a pretty hefty cost

[wary heart]

3.3k RSS is less than 50 people

lol

[stark reef]

Don’t get me wrong - I’m not telling anyone NOT to play arms. It’s S tier, broken, play it.

Just don’t feel like you can’t enjoy fury with a 1800 rating goal because arms is better at the top end.

[ruby temple]

Would a 20 second root clear for free be more op then arms 11 second CD shueld

[worthy fern]

The 20 sec root clear is a nice talent but arms has 2-3 root breaks already

[cobalt crystal]

Avatar, BS, what's the third. am I stupid >__>?

[wary heart]

cs?

oh root breaks

[worthy fern]

Third is if you’re a gnome

[wary heart]

banner is p neat even though it doesnt break roots

[ruby temple]

And fury doesn't run death wish at all right? I think that's a neat talent but I feel like the damage done should scale higher then the damage taken. Right now it's 1:1 yeah?

[wary heart]

death wish is bugged since SL

[worthy fern]

I would love to see death wish reworked

[ruby temple]

😿

[wary heart]

it also is a quick way to just die

[stark reef]

Death wish seems very high skill cap

Can do insane burst if you can set it up but also just kys

Never tried it

[cobalt crystal]

Never played with Deathwish. It's way too funky for me.

[magic wing]

I used it in Legion rando bgs and it was nutty

[wary heart]

its not enjoyable, it bugs a lot so you dont get a stack

[ruby temple]

Id like to see a world where arms is more set up and controlled burst and fury is just swangin them thangs and are lil assholes running around but with less lockdown

[magic wing]

But now its prolly pure ass

[scarlet barn]

Deathwish not cancellable sadge

[ruby temple]

It also costs health right?

[cobalt crystal]

yeah

[scarlet barn]

Yes

[cobalt crystal]

Deathwish costs Hp to use, think its 5%?

[ruby temple]

So you spend 20% health to take 40% more damage get stunned it's not cancelable so you just die

[worthy fern]

Curren game you would pop death wish and die in a global to any one of 20 dif bursts