Shockwave is the future
#pvp
mild thunder
sharp meteor
Shockwave has a lot of potential this season.
mild thunder
It’s one of the strongest stuns left in the game tbh
craggy geyser
What lol
quaint ruin
Shockwave has a lot of potential this season.
Nah its a meme spec.
mild thunder
it's definitely not
it's a 3sec aoe stun on a relatively short CD that we really dont drop that much for
quaint ruin
I guess we'll see
quaint ruin
it's a 3sec aoe stun on a relatively short CD that we really dont drop *that* mu...
This was the case s1 too right? :p
mild thunder
no
quaint ruin
I might be wrong but Im not convinced it will be worth it. Maybe situational depending on what comp u play/face.
mild thunder
you didnt even know it got buffed 
quaint ruin
And you can forsee the future 😀
copper hare
stuns don't do dmg. Stop using things that don't do dmg. If you wanna get girls, do more dmg
mild thunder
And you can forsee the future 😀
i dont think it takes a nobel prize winner to predict an aoe stun with a very decent duration post-cc nerfs will be good
it's literally just chaos nova but better
quaint ruin
U dont drop dmg talents for chaos nova tho
mild thunder
technically you do
quaint ruin
Ok bro
mild thunder
but even for arms, you're not really dropping any serious dmg either - uproar is a nice talent, but not make-or-break and the extra point was mostly a flex point
rotund trellis
my god I made half a million with the new green patterns. Why do people buy them at 100k? lmao
not complaining, but I'm geniunely surprised
granite basin
Because u make the gold back crafting them overnight
rotund trellis
that makes me think I should've held on to them
granite basin
I've made 6m on blueprints I've exclusively bought since patch
inner elbow
wait what patterns are we talking about
craggy geyser
Green patterns for PVP gear
worthy fern
Are you able to now make any crafted item pvp ilvl?
And does anyone know if any are nerfed in pvp
green anchor
enable it for WoW specifically through your GPU's control panel
for example Nvidia Control Panel
spice hornet
my god I made half a million with the new green patterns. Why do people buy them...
Nobody buys mine tf
teal hedge
Nobody has bought mine
Horrible fortune for the mushroom
Perhaps the europeans are far too enlightened
strange raft
I know this question gets beat to death but belf a solid race choice? I already have too many orcs and even though I like Tauren/troll, the feet kill me.
teal hedge
Racials are very niche, the "strongest" race would be orc
Honestly? Play the one you think looks nice
But belf is cringe and ugly
Also, you should roll alliance 😎
unique fox
Gnome is also good for the root break
fresh valve
Horde's lost its masculinity
craggy geyser
I know this question gets beat to death but belf a solid race choice? I already ...
Hahahahaha the feet! Bro that’s hilarious and I’m the same way
craggy geyser
Gnome is also good for the root break
Gnome is just so bad with transmogs they don’t even see the armor
fresh valve
everyone knows all sets are made for humans
craggy geyser
Everyone’s a human or and orc I feel
I will say human the Mogs look best on…. I’d almost want to change off orc because everything I have is an orc
fresh valve
eh male orc's are too hunched for a lot of mogs
craggy geyser
Stand em upright
fresh valve
maghar orc > green bois
fresh valve
rlly depends minotaurs are pretty badass tbh
craggy geyser
Lmfaooooooo
fossil mortar
Meld is OP, so go nelf female 
quaint ruin
Does anyone know how much honor you will need to buy every piece? Including trinkets
hexed pier
what embellishments will be the go tos for the next season? or do we expect relevant changes?
craggy geyser
Meld is OP, so go nelf female <a:noahwhite:800552532631617546>
Can NE just meld in combat?
teal hedge
I play worgen 💪
teal hedge
Meld is OP, so go nelf female <a:noahwhite:800552532631617546>
Nelf female 😔
craggy geyser
Yes but you need to be extremely fast
Interesting… can you que for a normal BG with friends on horde
stark reef
I have no friends in WoW
strange raft
Orc will always be the best probably until they remove hardiness.
for horde that is
lyric violet
Im just deciding if i want to switch from dark iron to orc
quaint ruin
Does anyone know why my pvp ilvl shows 392 when im full green 424 pvp upscale. I queued one solo, got out and now cant queue up again.
red igloo
does honor reset on the new season?
elfin surge
@spice hornet
sharp meteor
does honor reset on the new season?
It usually doesn't so hopefully not.
red igloo
thanks 🤝
vapid tartan
So shockwave is used to peel and delay kill targets defensives?
Just worried about the 10yd range xd
sharp meteor
So shockwave is used to peel and delay kill targets defensives?
Bolt healer, shockwave the double melee or caster/melee, I think. 
vapid tartan
Yeah see it being nice to stop a destro from parsing on me and saving a kick for something else too
spice hornet
that's what more specs need, 2 types of stun
dh 2 stuns
feral 2 stuns
warrior 2 stuns
fresh valve
We need a Swag Warrior spec
teal hedge
Im just deciding if i want to switch from dark iron to orc
Not worth it, racials are minor.
shy aurora
Niicee got my 450 bootzz
thick reef
Niicee got my 450 bootzz
What embellish did you go? 🙂
drifting forge
What is the best way to track war crates?
stark reef
Not worth it, racials are minor.
fresh valve
stark reef
Is this a wow gamer?
stark reef
No clue who that is
fresh valve
Didn't his wife bail)
Divorce
teal hedge
Chinese man, purchased wife only to make living from begging on twitter
fresh valve
She took Charles Peter 😦
stark reef
teal hedge
No steam games and m.... he's a good guy!
severe fable
gearing wise, am i supposed to be running 4set from vault with 2 piece infurious and pvp offpieces/weps? (planning on playing fury)
vapid tartan
Anyone watchin ufc tonight?
you can break tier for wpvp pieces if you’re gonna queue now
Keep the infurious boots for sure tho
severe fable
just preparing for season 2
vapid tartan
Oh, in that case pretty sure we ditch all current gear and go full honor
fresh valve
I aint botherin with pvp unless its giga inflated
vapid tartan
since the ilvl should be higher than anything we can get now iirc
severe fable
okay thanks
stark reef
Anyone watchin ufc tonight?
Who’s fighting?
stark reef
Not a fan of any of those lads
vapid tartan
I want to see how cejudo does
stark reef
Hopefully lose
vapid tartan
If he can take the belt again after being retired Reddit’s gonna go crazy
I think burns vs belal is gonna be good I wanna see belal get fucked up
torpid roost
Warrior needs a caster or heals spec
Shout-based warrior, with heroism/bloodlust shout, healing shout
fresh valve
thats a bard bro
torpid roost
yep
vapid tartan
Just heal with rage
torpid roost
Bardbarian
fresh valve
Bardbarian
Guitar axe
torpid roost
well now we're all Brutal Legend and shit.... actually I wouldn't mind that
torpid roost
I was unironically hyped for the guitar hero crossover
thought they'd at least do a minigame
but no, was an april fools
torpid roost
or something like this
then again if this actually happened in warcraft I can imagine you'd have to have a toy to silence it, because boy would people abuse that in irritating ways
teal hedge
What kinda music you guys listen to to get you in da zone?
I got death grips and infant annihilator fr fr
stark reef
teal hedge
I'm not angry, but I'm disappointed.
fresh valve
no music, the hatred I have for my opponents is enough
elfin surge
😎
teal hedge
Shit has me weepin
stark reef
teal hedge
Phonk is such an edgy genre I hate it
sharp meteor
Same. At one point the Youtube algorithm just kind of force fed it. 
teal hedge
Angsty ahh genre
sharp meteor
Also a big fan of just chill instrumental beats. 
stark reef
fresh valve
lo fi beats piss me off
teal hedge
Real
You fellas should give infant annihilator a go
It's metal, but I think their songs are pretty melodic
sharp meteor
Yeah, often not really in the mood to hear words and just want some kind of background noise.
fresh valve
If anthony fantano gave them less than a 9 I aint fuckin with it
teal hedge
Melon fears the annihilator
stark reef
teal hedge
You ever hear Al Namrood?
Saudi band
Also gotta represent the local bands
Amon Amarth and Meshuggah 💪
fresh valve
Amon Amarth and Meshuggah 💪
autism music
teal hedge
Metal also has kind of a gigacringe fanbase
teal hedge
autism music
Real
Oh yeah, and bliss3three
Vaporwave
My beloved
Yeah
Just lots of pretentious folks
Whoah was that the nword???
Hahaha
Oh yeah, and shoegaze feels nice as well
stark reef
teal hedge
With bands like Julie and Deftones
Is that german rap?
Goes hard
Swedish also has it's own subgenre of "gangster-rap" but I prefer our early 2000s more pop-like rap.
THE ORIGINAL IS MADE IN WINDOWS MOVIE MAKER
Holy real
torpid roost
https://youtu.be/J1XXYyQcueU
fucking legend
teal hedge
Unironically, the bloatlord is so strong
Him being able to do pullups at 200 kg is astounding
torpid roost
and flexible and.... everything but fast, really
but if you can move with any speed at that size you're a fucking weapon
teal hedge
Real
torpid roost
~20cm taller than him, 100kg lighter than him, and I'm bigger than 95% of men
teal hedge
How tall is he?
stark reef
Vertical back rolls are a life goal of mine
torpid roost
185cm
stark reef
Gotta give it another few years though
torpid roost
I'm high side of 6'7 which equates to ~205cm or so
teal hedge
But we're chillin, enrolled in da gym again
fresh valve
midgets
teal hedge
I'm 6'4-6'5
torpid roost
it's not midget territory yet
teal hedge
I have not measured myself in a while.
stark reef
185, ~102kgs
torpid roost
technically I'm not even a manlet, that'll be ~2030 or so
teal hedge
~193, 160 kgs
torpid roost
the manlet line in the fitness world keeps creeping up 
teal hedge
But yeah, did da leg press machine in da gym
stark reef
Manlet is 5’7 and below
teal hedge
Two steps away from max
torpid roost
naaaah, sub-6'0 as of like, 2015
fresh valve
Manlet is 5’7 and below
5'9
torpid roost
I'd probably avoid both n-words
as that A's broadcaster fucked up the other day, kek
torpid roost
the line keeps creeping up
fresh valve
idk lol
torpid roost
that's why I'm 6'7 and i know I'll die a manlet
fresh valve
I know a dude who's bummed out about being 6ft
teal hedge
See that's where we differ
fresh valve
I'd say 5'11.5 is where you can be seen as a male
torpid roost
Kyriakos says an adult male should be at least 4 hundo as well
teal hedge
4 hundo pounds?
torpid roost
tiem2bulk
fresh valve
I stg ima get cybernetics that'll make me 10ft
torpid roost
bruh, at my height shit is inconvenient
cars clothes and doors, mostly
less so doors in the past like, 20y
fresh valve
torpid roost
but old houses and shit
fresh valve
depends on what youre pullin
stark reef
Yeah, women don’t care that much about height
stark reef
Idk, I feel like past 25 there is a lot of other factors
fresh valve
sounds gay
torpid roost
face body money personality height, in no particular order
stark reef
How you make a living is a big one - not even the amount, just if it’s a good balance between exciting and sustainable
torpid roost
having hair... 😢
fresh valve
i'd say face is more important than height
teal hedge
Got long hair, we chillin
stark reef
having hair... 😢
Nah
stark reef
i'd say face is more important than height
Nah
fresh valve
a lot of tall dudes look like orcs or horses
torpid roost
fortunately I have a normal human head shape, so the shaved head look works on me
teal hedge
I mean, male and female gaze is very different.
Trying to look good for guys is harder smh my head
stark reef
Look at Jason Statham, that’s one ugly motherfucker but he’ll never have issues with women
Because of the way he lives life
fresh valve
celebs are out of the equation
teal hedge
I mean, some people have gotten nervous bout my size, which I don't fw
But what can I do
fresh valve
Swag is the most important trait
fresh valve
you wont be gettin pussy if youre autistic even if youre handsome
stark reef
celebs are out of the equation
Not really because they’re around celebs all the time so it evens the playing-field
Those are the most important ones
Driven, to
teal hedge
I mean, I got a real shit wardrobe because I wear what my mom buys for me (plain t-shirts, dass it)
fresh valve
Not really because they’re around celebs all the time so it evens the playing-fi...
celeb imagery is a facade
stark reef
celeb imagery is a facade
How do you mean?
teal hedge
I'd like to have a turtleneck or somethin, I also look good in shirts, I think
But I only button da top button 💯
fresh valve
How do you mean?
I always assume shits different behind the scenes, what I see on social media is irrelevant
stark reef
Oh, 100% - but my point was, if you’re a celeb and dating celebs being a celeb isn’t a factor - it’s a “coworker” like a normal dude chatting with the cute girl at the office
teal hedge
Tinder is ultra-giga cringe
stark reef
Sure, if you’re a celeb and try to pick up a waiter that’s easy but most date other celebs so they have to work just as hard to get it done
fresh valve
idk gettin pussy takes too long
teal hedge
I mean, I'll turn 19 next saturday
But clubbing is nice, I do it like every 2 months?
stark reef
teal hedge
I mostly just dance with people and yell lyrics
In Sweden it's most common to pregame
fossil mortar
Always interesting to see how things are viewed by different people
stark reef
Tbh, big fan of tinder - definitely works because you can just be direct with people
teal hedge
But I'm gon get 4 litres (1 ounce) worth of liquor the 15th.
fresh valve
online dating is retarded
teal hedge
So real I cannot believe this man
fresh valve
shits deceptive
stark reef
Tinder you just go ahead, say what you’re up to and if it works it works and if it doesn’t that’s that. Just say “nice talk” and keep on swiping
fresh valve
like when u meet a girl who's way more annoying in person than she sounded in text
teal hedge
There's an extra layer of intrigue
Figurin out wether they play on the same team as you or anh
*nah
stark reef
Aren’t there settings for that?
teal hedge
I talk to real people in real life
stark reef
So do I, I just double-check if I’m about to waste my time or not
But you’re 19, you’re doing it right
Go meet people
fossil mortar
Ah, a teen, ye you just go to the beach and party mate
stark reef
Exactly that
stark reef
It’s also so limiting - never ever date someone at work or another place like that. Clean lines.
spice hornet
@mild thunder another quality discussion going on in the PvP channel
fossil mortar
Hey, youngesters need to be at their max game for PvP
stark reef
Only so many times people can ask about sks rotation…
fresh valve
19 was awesome tbh shit goes downhill after that
stark reef
19 was awesome tbh shit goes downhill after that
Nah, turned 30 last year, best I’ve ever felt
fossil mortar
Nah, peek is clearly your 30s, that is when you will notice the true freedoms
stark reef
Exactly
fresh valve
rlly now
teal hedge
19 feels weird
At 18 I get access to voting, driving and drinking
19 gets me nothin
fresh valve
YMMV
stark reef
30 feels like you’ve got enough experience to make good decisions and enough energy to get shit done, nobody breathing down your neck, done with school.
Good times
teal hedge
But yeah
Mother just strait up told me she was gonna get me an ounce of liquor for my 19th birthday
fresh valve
elaborate on the "responsibilities" part
teal hedge
Which I'll be celebrating without em' cause they're on some tropical island without me 😎
open ridge
Guys, new to pvp here.
Any youtube or twitch stream to watch fury warrior pvp action?
stark reef
I’m worried about that 45ish range - probably time for TRT by then to keep it going into the 60s
stark reef
elaborate on the "responsibilities" part
There are things that are age appropriate - of course many options but if you’re just straight up behind the curve it starts to kick in in the 30s
teal hedge
You people plan for 30?
teal hedge
Yeah planning is ultrashit
teal hedge
Real
I'm gonna take a year offa school after I graduate this summer, though
Feel really bad, haven't worked through some personal stuff which is getting in the way of my studies and well-being
stark reef
You people plan for 30?
No need to plan - there are 3 core-things that are important to a fulfilling life.
- health
- security (in the west that’s heavily tied to your financial stability)
- meaningful relationships (friends, partner, family, etc)
If you have all 3 you’re gifted, if you have 2 that’s still a good time, if you have 1 or less that’s very hard
Usually you have to sacrifice one for another to some extend so it’s a balancing act
fresh valve
fulfillment is subjective
stark reef
At 19 that’s to be expected
teal hedge
Swedish economy is doing a little trolling rn
And parents, well, wages ain't cuttin it
fresh valve
"adapt or die" sounds like a shit way to live
stark reef
fulfillment is subjective
Yes but these 3 are core human needs
teal hedge
But we're chillin, got a massive insurance cheque 2021, which I intend to use for an apartment so that I can move out,.
fresh valve
Yes but these 3 are core human needs
I go off the hierarchy of needs
flat tide
fresh valve
if someone wants to be a loser smoking weed and jerking off all the time that's fine by me
stark reef
It’ll catch up
fresh valve
not the way I'd live but im not judging
teal hedge
Weed is pretty weird, yeah
stark reef
It’s fine for a time but it’ll catch up
teal hedge
Only time it's been relevant was when I was in the Czech republic and my romanian buddy asked wether I wanted to purchase something
sudden echo
Worst thing to do is get caught up in alcohol will destroy your life much quicker then weed
fresh valve
why would I care about their life choices lol
fresh valve
Worst thing to do is get caught up in alcohol will destroy your life much quicke...
Al Khul
rancid heath
is there any weakaura to be more efficient with spell shield or spell reflect cant remember the name lmao
teal hedge
is there any weakaura to be more efficient with spell shield or spell reflect ca...
What do you mean?
stark reef
Yeah, alcohol, gambling, rampant debt, hard drugs, obesity, those are the big ones that really fk people up for good
fresh valve
Weed is pretty weird, yeah
u aint seen the witchcraft that is lsd
teal hedge
Never been around anything cept alcohol
And that one time my buddy moked some hash in the Czech Republic
fresh valve
Yeah, alcohol, gambling, rampant debt, hard drugs, obesity, those are the big on...
ya sounds ruff
its their fault if they regret anything
live like a teenager if u want to
if u regret it tho thats on u
opposite for me
teal hedge
Depression is a real kicker
Tried to seek a psychiatrist, but they deemed me feelin empty for two years strait to be normal
Love da healthcare
stark reef
Luckily never delt with it but always recommend exercise - gets you out of your head
stark reef
I’ve seen a lot of people turn their life around through exercise - big believer in that
Once you feel like your efforts make a difference it’s a big boost
fresh valve
I’ve seen a lot of people turn their life around through exercise - big believer...
maybe healthwise but doesnt fix everything
fresh valve
doesnt fix lack of swag
teal hedge
But yeah, frozen grief moment
fresh valve
those aint the only problems in life lmfao
there'll always be problems outside the gym
stark reef
dude's will get jacked and think they got rizz
What’s the point of “rizz”? If you’re an in shape dude in your 30s, don’t live with your parents and pay your bills you’ll be able to find a partner.
You might not be James Bond and she might not be Margot Robbie but you’ll find someone who enjoys being around.
fresh valve
What’s the point of “rizz”? If you’re an in shape dude in your 30s, don’t live w...
good for whoever wants that
I'm all for leeching off your parents as long as you got dreams
milk that shit while u can
stark reef
fresh valve
ya
torpid roost
doesn't have to be "leeching"
you can pay some of their bills and help around the house more than you hurt
and still save mad fucking money
Bobby Kotick advice on life
"fuck your parents, buy a yacht"
fresh valve
ya parents should sacrifice everything for their children imo
stark reef
fresh valve
unless their kids turned out to be pedos
go into massive debt btw
max out your credit cards
free money
stark reef
It’s fkn over
fresh valve
makes sense
stark reef
fresh valve
still take that free money tho
tawny brook
Malding that you didn’t have the comfort of a safety net
fresh valve
working out and playing video games all day is a valid way to live imo
tawny brook
Why don’t families stay together in the West and pool resources?
tawny brook
Go get your loan
stark reef
Inflation, record high debt, high interest rates, only one way this movie ends
tawny brook
Slum lords need tenants!! Go work a job you hate to help the landlord instead of your parents!
tawny brook
And debt. You NEED debt. Debt is so good golems
torpid roost
you can contribute to your household, and benefit
fresh valve
im tellin yall milk that shit
tawny brook
Fuck banks, fuck landlords
teal hedge
So real!
torpid roost
Fuck banks, anyway, for sure
tawny brook
Well yea
fresh valve
And debt. You NEED debt. Debt is so good golems
debt = number go up that make u not buy house
teal hedge
The state should own the real estate within the country.
stark reef
I think moving out is a big part of growing up but I know in some eastern traditions the youngest son is to stay with the parents until they die
torpid roost
"lol oops we crashed the economy again billions pl0x"
stark reef
"lol oops we crashed the economy again billions pl0x"
You can’t print forever although old Yeller is going to try
fresh valve
I think moving out is a big part of growing up but I know in some eastern tradit...
depends where you move out
and if ur parents got u covered
tawny brook
Landlords are providing a necessary service. I was more saying the people jealous of people living with their families are fighting as hard as possible to fill landlord pockets
fresh valve
some people move out just to live paycheck to paycheck
graceful ginkgo
Depends where you live, here the state mostly got you covered if your parents can’t
Live in the US? Well you’re fucked
torpid roost
You can’t print forever although old Yeller is going to try
well you can if you're a reserve currency, thing is, that runs out, and, inflation still matters, as when you print more dollars, and have more dollars competing for the same amount (or, less, see: covid) amount of goods, you'll spiral inflation
fresh valve
dont waste money on insurance
tawny brook
America is dead
fresh valve
take the risk
fresh valve
price gouging middlemen
rancid heath
What do you mean?
idk something like a text in the middle screen poping when ur being casted on X spell ?
graceful ginkgo
There was never an American dream, it’s made up to keep workers working
torpid roost
bullshit there wasn't
torpid roost
1970's you could support a house and 2 cars on a decent full time job from one man, with multiple kids
now you can't do that on 2 decent full time jobs
fresh valve
Reaganomics
stark reef
well you can if you're a reserve currency, thing is, that runs out, and, inflati...
Other nations are catching up to the fact that they exchange valuable goods and services for printed paper - I’m not in the $ to 0 camp but the power is clearly fading
torpid roost
yeah the scam ain't working as well now
torpid roost
Reaganomics <:keks:936231610850897992>
carter/biden, more than anyone, not like bush trump clinton or obama were good for the economy either htough
fresh valve
carter/biden, more than anyone, not like bush trump clinton or obama were good f...
biden inherited trumps 2020 economy
stark reef
American Dream is dead
Almost - I still think America gives you a lot of opportunities if you’re able to do the work. Nobody ever asks for your resume if the job is done well.
torpid roost
then proceeded to attempt to kill the US entirely, yes, we're aware
"we're gonna kill coal mining, oil production, and hamstring food production" "wait why is everything more expensive?"
fresh valve
Almost - I still think America gives you a lot of opportunities if you’re able t...
elaborate because thats too narrow considering all of the job markets
fresh valve
"we're gonna kill coal mining, oil production, and hamstring food production" "w...
when did he say that verbatim
we literally got another pro fossil fuel bill recently
torpid roost
I'm judging his actions, not his words
yes, as a run-up to the 2024 election
idiots like you will see that things are now improving incrementally
stark reef
elaborate because thats too narrow considering all of the job markets
I think other western countries put a lot of emphasis on “the career” whereas my experience with America is that you can show up and get the work done and people give you opportunities according to your performance rather than your resume - good and bad
graceful ginkgo
Jobs hardly matter at all, wealth / inheritance is all that matters
fresh valve
also our economy is in the shitter because of outsourcing
graceful ginkgo
@ support family with 1 job
torpid roost
and use it as an excuse to continue slathering his old stretched out batwing balls with saliva
torpid roost
also our economy is in the shitter because of outsourcing
see, I agree with that
fresh valve
outsourcing and monopolies
stark reef
America feels like the Hunger Games but allegedly you can win
fresh valve
I think other western countries put a lot of emphasis on “the career” whereas my...
opportunities for what tho lmfao and whats the reward
stark reef
Money and career advancements?
stark reef
In Germany if you don’t have X years in X field you’re not working the job period.
America you hang out at the right spot, someone asks you to come in Monday and give it a go, if you’re still there Friday and everything is running you’re hired.
fresh valve
Money and career advancements?
ok but not all careers are made equal
torpid roost
of course they aren't
fresh valve
Education jobs are in the worst position in recent history
stark reef
Yeah, it’s good and bad. Germany has the security where you know that X will get you to Y.
America you can have 3 degrees and flip paddies.
torpid roost
like do you want a burger joint cashier making as much as a ditch digger?
do we think a ditch digger should make as much as a surgeon?
fresh valve
like do you want a burger joint cashier making as much as a ditch digger?
those jobs need to be automated
fresh valve
and the truth is those jobs are gonna be automated lmao
torpid roost
so that low-skill positions would be eliminated, and people would be dependent on the government more?
no thanks
graceful ginkgo
Education jobs can be pretty good, again depending on the where
fresh valve
so that low-skill positions would be eliminated, and people would be dependent o...
who gives a fuck about that
tawny brook
“Automation will make life easier”
“Corporations make record profit”
“Oh”
fresh valve
automating those jobs will save businesses money
teal hedge
Ho ho hehe I know the solution
torpid roost
the american med association is some bullshit, they keep the supply of doctors artificially low and create a ton of artificial hurdles that aren't actually enhancing quality of care
teal hedge
Syndicalism / Socialism.
stark reef
Automating jobs away will lead to more social unrest.
fresh valve
thats what they said about jobs involving horses
torpid roost
who gives a fuck about that
giving the government more power is always a bad thing
tawny brook
Automating jobs away will lead to more social unrest.
Good
teal hedge
Literally what helped Sweden recover from being one of the poorest countries in Europe.
fresh valve
then cars came
fresh valve
giving the government more power is always a bad thing
elaborate
tawny brook
We need more social unrest
torpid roost
the more power they have, the more power they will use
fresh valve
u cant just say govt bad unless u can clearly explain why its bad
torpid roost
if they control your food, your access to money, weapons, fuel, energy in general
someone will eventually get in there and abuse that
stark reef
Literally history
fresh valve
they already have power tho lmfao
torpid roost
also, yes, what bobby said
graceful ginkgo
giving the government more power is always a bad thing
Tendency is, there more powerful the government the more well off the citizens are
Look at „socialist“ Europe
fresh valve
If our govt really wanted to enslave us they wouldve already done so
they have the guns
tanks
nukes
tawny brook
u cant just say govt bad unless u can clearly explain why its bad
The government has maximum inefficiency and cost in everything they touch. Private companies handle everything better than the government
torpid roost
Tendency is, there more powerful the government the more well off the citizens a...
I think what you're seeing is a different effect, you're seeing the level of corruption, not the level of power
graceful ginkgo
No it’s simple truth
fresh valve
The government has maximum inefficiency and cost in everything they touch. Priv...
u hate our roads then?
social security?
torpid roost
dictatorships are fine if you have a benevolent intelligent and kind dictator.... but what about his son?
teal hedge
^Roman empire
stark reef
social security?
Yes - never going to see that shit when I need it
torpid roost
Private companies cannot build roads, kek
tawny brook
u hate our roads then?
Muh roads. They are in disrepair across the country
torpid roost
retirement accounts have been a thing since the like, 1820's in the US
stark reef
Social security is about to go insolvent so yeah, that’s a scam right there
graceful ginkgo
Northern Europe (Sweden, Denmark etc) has the highest state quota in Europe and they have the highest standard of education, living etc
tawny brook
social security?
You love paying into social security and wont even benefit hahahhahaha
teal hedge
I mean, swedish government is ultra poop but installing a capitalist party has only made it worse.
fresh valve
what proof u got that social security will be insolvent
tawny brook
So yes, our roads are shit and social security is a scam. What else
teal hedge
Taxes are so cheap.
tawny brook
what proof u got that social security will be insolvent
Birth rates
teal hedge
With taxes comes higher wages, a more competent state and overall higher education.
torpid roost
Northern Europe (Sweden, Denmark etc) has the highest state quota in Europe and ...
they also have their defense budget at zero because america handles it, and the EU fills the gaps, they also have oil, and they have less corrupt governments, no shit they're doing well
fresh valve
Birth rates
how tf is that proof???
stark reef
@fresh valve here is your government taking care of you https://youtu.be/fb2Qd89trbQ
teal hedge
If you tax people based on income you also help decrease wage-inequites.
Literally how it works in Sweden.
graceful ginkgo
Idk about pick your poison, social security is a big thing, so is medical assistance without going broke
tawny brook
how tf is that proof???
Who pays the taxes for social security? The working. Now our birthrates are collapsing and you have less workers per retiree
teal hedge
Social security works.
fresh valve
just cut military spending
teal hedge
Who pays the taxes for social security? The working. Now our birthrates are co...
This is false.
torpid roost
Idk about pick your poison, social security is a big thing, so is medical assist...
I.... .see I used to work briefly in medical billing
graceful ginkgo
they also have their defense budget at zero because america handles it, and the ...
We wouldn’t need a def budget without the USA starting wars all over the world
teal hedge
Taxes are no problem lmao
fresh valve
tax the stock market
tawny brook
This is false.
It is fact
stark reef
tax the stock market
What?
teal hedge
In Sweden you gotta pay around 40% something or so taxes.
torpid roost
though I don't think empire building is a valid use of money time or blood
teal hedge
It is fact
No I literally live in a country where the rich are taxed more and where workers have to pay 40% taxes, this is just false.
tawny brook
No I literally live in a country where the rich are taxed more and where workers...
What does that have to do with not having enough workers to support social security?
teal hedge
What?
fresh valve
lol dont ask further cowards
teal hedge
You don't need a lot of workers to support social security
near delta
Hmm yes pvp discussion 
torpid roost
politics v people
gray umbra
right
torpid roost
maybe the true PVP is the friends we made along the way
gray umbra
politics = ghey
fresh valve
most mfs are too retarded to understand politics
tawny brook
You don't need a lot of workers to support social security
You simply don’t understand, and that is okay
fresh valve
got some normies in this chat
gray umbra
youre not going to change anything. voting is all you can do and thats barely much. adapt to the system and make your bread
all you can do BREH
fresh valve
I dont vote
teal hedge
You simply don’t understand, and that is okay
I literally live in a socialist country where this is applied and functional?
torpid roost
blackpilled take, but, an individually useful one
hazy isle
politics = ghey
considering the current state of the western dialectic, yes very gay
teal hedge
Compare our standards of living
torpid roost
adding more barriers to trade
fresh valve
capital gains rate is nothing
tawny brook
I literally live in a socialist country where this is applied and functional?
You also don’t have a huge portion of the population that are feral
torpid roost
which will further impoverish individuals while massive corps will thrive
fresh valve
literally nothing
hazy isle
I literally live in a socialist country where this is applied and functional?
where do you live
country
teal hedge
Sweden.
hazy isle
no need to dox urself
gray umbra
is this resistance or a costume party?either way i think black with bandanas is a boring theme
teal hedge
Sverige ❤️
hazy isle
is a shithole
teal hedge
Voted for the former communist party.
teal hedge
is a shithole
Care to elaborate?
fresh valve
buy borrow die literally proves the capital gains rate is nothing
torpid roost
oh my
tawny brook
Sweden suffers from a grenade attack epidemic
hazy isle
Care to elaborate?
immigration
teal hedge
immigration
This was enacted by our capitalist party.
fresh valve
ur retawd den
teal hedge
Sweden suffers from a grenade attack epidemic
Do not throw rocks in a glass-shed
torpid roost
I don't care what party it was enacted by, kill them
hazy isle
This was enacted by our capitalist party.
yea capitalist are also bad, idk why u think im for them
im third positionist
fresh valve
u think the capital gains rate is high enough????
teal hedge
im third positionist
Care to elaborate?
stark reef
u think the capital gains rate is high enough????
Trading stocks is taxed like regular income where I live
hazy isle
capitalists think flooding countries with immigrants = good because gdp goes up
torpid roost
Capitalism good, crony-capitalism bad, but I don't know of an efficient way to keep cap from becoming cro-cap
stark reef
So yes, it’s high enough
graceful ginkgo
Everybody knows capital is taxed too low while income is taxed too much
gray umbra
they do/are
torpid roost
like, at it's core, it's a good idea - if you want nice things, do things for people, to get money, it turns greed into a social good
even among those with degrees
torpid roost
Keynes, Austrian schools, most notable feud
teal hedge
Problem with capitalism is that the so-called "free" market only serves to oppress the people.
gray umbra
yikees
hazy isle
there certain types of socialism i dont mind
torpid roost
a genuine free market does not oppress in any way
gray umbra
was waiting for that one
graceful ginkgo
Free market only applies as long as big money isn’t losing a lot of it
torpid roost
absolutely not
fresh valve
yea 25% is definitely a good rate for capital gains
stark reef
Free market only applies as long as big money isn’t losing a lot of it
Agreed. We’re not in a free market whatsoever.
graceful ginkgo
See big banks in … anywhere
teal hedge
Hence why the people neeed to control the means of production.
torpid roost
Govt regulation MAKES monopolies
monopoly makes giant giga-corp
giga-corp buys government
rules they sign into law profits for corp
fresh valve
what govt regulation made a monopoly lmfao
graceful ginkgo
yea 25% is definitely a good rate for capital gains
If you have capital, yes, it is … 25% is low
gray umbra
youre not wrong
teal hedge
Unregulated company grows large, starts to dominate market and leaves no space for other companies to start up and compete. Monopoly forms a cartel and abuses the populace.
fresh valve
power companies
I said name a regulation
stark reef
It’s literally happening in real time - small banks get rekt by interest rates, JPMorgan comes in and slurps it up for cents on the dollar.
Taxpayer on the hook for the difference.
Loving me some regulation
torpid roost
Unregulated company grows large, starts to dominate market and leaves no space f...
Natural monopolies do not generally form, as a company gets larger and larger, they can't react to gaps in the market fast enough, letting smaller groups get a niche and drain them
fresh valve
bro what fuckin regulation
hazy isle
i cant imagine believing unironically in muh free market in 2023
fresh valve
yall probably dont even know the names of laws
stark reef
bro what fuckin regulation
The fed holding rates at 0, then ripping them through the roof in a year smoking out regional banks in the process?
torpid roost
but if there's stifling penalties that a gigacorp can pay without a second thought that would bankrupt (extreme, comical example used intentionally) a mom&pop competitor, the gigacorp gets the market share and the money
fresh valve
The fed holding rates at 0, then ripping them through the roof in a year smoking...
thats creating monopolies????
torpid roost
that leads to more regulatory and market capture
teal hedge
Natural monopolies do not generally form, as a company gets larger and larger, t...
That is exactly how monopolies form though. An unregulated corporation will merge and consume as much as is possible. Something that occurs without fail in capitalist economies.
stark reef
thats creating monopolies????
Ehm, yes? The big banks are buying them at cents on the dollar as we speak.
fresh valve
Ehm, yes? The big banks are buying them at cents on the dollar as we speak.
why not just idk regulate big banks???
torpid roost
That is exactly how monopolies form though. An unregulated corporation will merg...
like which companies?
they almost all used regulation as a truncheon
stark reef
why not just idk regulate big banks???
Because they make the rules?
They are the regulator
teal hedge
Amazon, ICA, IKEA
graceful ginkgo
Of course you are
torpid roost
I don't see them as a monopoly
fresh valve
Because they make the rules?
how tf does that mean regulations cause monopolies????
teal hedge
ICA literally got punished by the state because they tried to merge
stark reef
how tf does that mean regulations cause monopolies????
Are you serious? Big banks get together with the fed, make the rules, then benefit from the rules. It’s not rocket science?
teal hedge
But now with our current capitalist gov they've doubled all of their prices, and because they dominate the market there are no other places to shop.
Swedish people are starving :D
Butter has quadruppled in price.
Pasta has doubled.
Meat has doubled in price.
This is not because of inflation or a shortage.
fresh valve
Are you serious? Big banks get together with the fed, make the rules, then benef...
so you'd be against regulating big banks???
teal hedge
This is a cartel.
hazy isle
Swedish people are starving :D
svens are fkced because ur government imports all of the thirld world that doesnt care about sweden
teal hedge
svens are fkced because ur government imports all of the thirld world that doesn...
Get outta here racist :P
hazy isle
Get outta here racist :P
No
stark reef
so you'd be against regulating big banks???
What? Big banks are the regulator. Who do you think makes the rules? You think it’s the elected puppets they dangle in front of you?
torpid roost
@fresh valve - okay, there's a fine for violating (x) policy, let's say if you manufacture a widget you get fined $250,000 for not using this green method of manufacture, if, say, Ford Motor Company gets hit with that fine, they literally won't even feel it. If, say, Mom & Pop's Drag Shop gets hit by that fine, they're insolvent and bankrupt
that kinda shit is RAMPANT
like, just try to read the tax code
fresh valve
What? Big banks are the regulator. Who do you think makes the rules? You think i...
Banks make our laws???
stark reef
Banks make our laws???
Yes???
torpid roost
lol, yes
stark reef
Wtf
graceful ginkgo
LOL yes
torpid roost
they pay politicians to be their bitch
stark reef
Bro is 2023
graceful ginkgo
Companies make the laws, politicians are clueless
stark reef
You think Joe fkn Biden makes the laws?
fresh valve
yall are talkin the spirit of the law not the language of it
torpid roost
look at how much churn there is between major execs there and politics
fresh valve
the fine print doesnt say banks can write our laws
torpid roost
they've circumvented that
stark reef
yall are talkin the spirit of the law not the language of it
They write the literal text on the teleprompter and pay for the meds for old Joe to get through it all
fresh valve
yall act like we cant regulate banks out of politics
graceful ginkgo
We can’t
teal hedge
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-12-30/sweden-once-welco...
Did you read it?
graceful ginkgo
The game is over
graceful ginkgo
Yeah
teal hedge
It literally talks about the nazi party getting traction.
fresh valve
we could if we had another FDR
graceful ginkgo
It’s done, Marx was wrong
stark reef
They own everything including whatever elected official you think has any say whatsoever
torpid roost
this isn't a "democrats are bad vote republicans to get rid of it" they're both fully and wholly owned
teal hedge
And it gained traction because things have been going poorly.
torpid roost
notice most of politics is irrelevant social issues?
teal hedge
Remember how the nazis in Germany managed to shift hate towards the jews?
torpid roost
there's a reason for that
stark reef
They own the news, they own the land, they own the politicians, they own the companies making your goods.
hazy isle
It literally talks about the nazi party getting traction.
yea retard, why do u think that is the case
teal hedge
Now imagine the swedish nazis doing the same but with immigrants.
fresh valve
yall act like more capitalism is gonna fix a problem caused by capitalism
torpid roost
it isn't caused by capitalism, nor socialism, nor communism or any -ism
it's raw corruption
graceful ginkgo
Nah, I am saying capitalism has won
hazy isle
people are pushed to that because they see what happens around them
graceful ginkgo
Not that I like it
fresh valve
it's raw corruption
how is it not caused by capitalism lol
someone has enough money to influence legislations
torpid roost
Capitalism is less inclined to go corrupt as quickly, lol, but it's not like it has a particularly strong resistance to it
fresh valve
sounds like capitalism + corruption
teal hedge
people are pushed to that because they see what happens around them
You do realise that these things are over-reported and rarely actually occur? And the things that happen are not because of their ethnicity but because of their social status.
torpid roost
and in a natural free market, nobody gets that kinda money
hazy isle
You do realise that these things are over-reported and rarely actually occur? An...
LOL
this shit again
teal hedge
That is the actual case???
fresh valve
and in a natural free market, nobody gets that kinda money
you mean a regulated free market???
hazy isle
soccioecnomix brah
torpid roost
regulations allow monopolies
teal hedge
Sweden has had several waves of immigrants but this was the first time we did not support them.
fresh valve
bazaar shit
hazy isle
hahaha
torpid roost
AT&T, every fucking car company, every energy company, every.... like the list goes on
teal hedge
I mean seriously.
graceful ginkgo
Nah tbh elic is probably right
teal hedge
No EliC is unaware of what he is talking about.
graceful ginkgo
You let Kalkutta immigrate
graceful ginkgo
You become Kalkutta
teal hedge
Of course there is a schism between the culture in Sweden and let's say Somalia
torpid roost
to make sure you aren't full of shit
teal hedge
But that is not the sole reason that Sweden has had a problem with criminality.
torpid roost
this is warrior chat don't pop evasion
teal hedge
It is because of the neoliberal and market-oriented economical reforms we've had.
It is a non-issue.
Never has been, historically, been an issue.
hazy isle
lol so much of a non issue that swedes are starting to tighten up immigration
teal hedge
And aggressors are not gonna help resolve the issue as well.
torpid roost
yep, dodged
fresh valve
idk these EU problems arent as interesting as Merica
torpid roost
they're a mirror on our problems though
hazy isle
idk these EU problems arent as interesting as Merica
EU are vassal states to america, their problems are downstream from ours
torpid roost
and, their socialist bullshit wouldn't work if they had to pay for their own defense
fresh valve
lmfao
teal hedge
and, their socialist bullshit wouldn't work if they had to pay for their own def...
En svensk tiger, passa dig noga jänkare.
fresh valve
tell me why america needs 900 military bases
shy aurora
Why cant i put a embellishment on my boots
hazy isle
Why cant i put a embellishment on my boots
asking the real question
graceful ginkgo
American is the cause of most of the wars in the world
torpid roost
agreed
fresh valve
Conquer the middle east!
torpid roost
we still fund their fucking defense though, lmfao
teal hedge
Yeah the US needs to back off a little
torpid roost
so.... what about a swedish tiger?
graceful ginkgo
Syria, Iran/Irak, etc
torpid roost
Yes, the pentagon is absolutely a shadow org siphoning wealth from america
teal hedge
Sweden has absolute defense.
teal hedge
Nay
torpid roost
Switzerland, on the other hand, would be quite difficult
teal hedge
We have Finland, the UK and Norway right at our doorstep.
teal hedge
Sweden has a lot of swamps and cold
teal hedge
who tf are yall worrying about
Russia has been actively threatening to nuke Sweden since they invaded Ukraine.
tiny ore
Hmm, ideal healer with enhance in 3s would be disc / preservation?
torpid roost
retreat into your icy swamp, then post about your superior standard of living
shy aurora
Man fucking world war 3 chat going on in here
torpid roost
Hmm, ideal healer with enhance in 3s would be disc / preservation?
I'd assume disc
fresh valve
Russia has been actively threatening to nuke Sweden since they invaded Ukraine.
yall dont got at least 1 nuke???
teal hedge
Nope
fresh valve
bs
shy aurora
America 😂😂😂😂
shy aurora
The land of the brave
torpid roost
also agree there
teal hedge
Nuclear energy is the best we have atm
torpid roost
I don't know why nuclear is so scary to idiots
teal hedge
But renewables should be strived for.
torpid roost
nah
fresh valve
I don't know why nuclear is so scary to idiots
oil sheikhs
torpid roost
nature is resilient, use nuke until something viable pops up from research, THEN shift
teal hedge
Well, Sweden can do a lot with renewables, but it doesn't make sense in places like the US.
stark reef
idk these EU problems arent as interesting as Merica
Nah but seriously, if you want to meet your real leaders you’re looking for people like Jamie Dimon, Larry Fink, Rupert Murdoch, etc.
They do “the regulating.”
The rest is just theater.
fresh valve
Nah but seriously, if you want to meet your real leaders you’re looking for peop...
reactionary take
stark reef
What?
torpid roost
well, they do the influence purchasing that leads to the regulation
and controlling narratives
fresh valve
assuming there's a narrative
teal hedge
(The majority either voted nazi or moderate :P)
torpid roost
watch MSNPC, tell me there isn't a narrative, then watch Fox, tell me there isn't a narrative
stark reef
assuming there's a narrative
fresh valve
media narratives arent the same as global narratives
stark reef
Imo sure there is no narrative
fresh valve
also thats the fuckin media lmao
stark reef
torpid roost
US and media, including social media narrative
stark reef
Guy owns half the western news
fresh valve
who gives a fuck about tv media
torpid roost
which influences the world
fresh valve
thats for geriatric fucks
torpid roost
but it isn't ever-present everywhere else
fresh valve
old fuckers that need to die already
torpid roost
geriatrics control a lot of wealth and power
fresh valve
kill them
stark reef
torpid roost
that's kind of illegal
fresh valve
sucks
torpid roost
just a smidge
teal hedge
News needs to cover more men kissing fr
torpid roost
are you just pretending to be retarded now
stark reef
Time to ping the mods?
teal hedge
More love in general, if I'm being honest.
stark reef
I think Raoul watches Hassan Piker
fresh valve
ew
torpid roost
no, no gay stuff on the news, no straight stuff on the news, people's sexuality isn't newsworthy, just stop
fresh valve
he stole all the gamer girls
fresh valve
no, no gay stuff on the news, no straight stuff on the news, people's sexuality ...
who gives a shit
teal hedge
Oh yeah I was just kidding with that remark.
teal hedge
But I wouldn't complain 😎
torpid roost
think we're on sexual overload as a culture (western as a whole)
teal hedge
Maybe, there are people calling for genocide, which is ultra-cringe.
fresh valve
think we're on sexual overload as a culture (western as a whole)
former porn addict?
teal hedge
The republican party as a whole is pushing anti-trans legislations.
fresh valve
that anti trans stuff is goofy
torpid roost
nah, just have raised kids and like, keeping that shit away from them is legit hard as fuck now
I don't think most are anti trans
fresh valve
u have kids???
torpid roost
they're anti groomers and child mutilation
was dating an older woman, she had kids, so I've been a dad
sharp meteor
fresh valve
show me
stark reef
Anybody who approves hormone treatment or surgery on a minor in relation to gender dysphoria deserves life in prison.
What consenting adults do is not my business.
teal hedge
Genital-reassignment surgeries are disallowed for minors.
hazy isle
wanna play dk but they keep saying its dogshyte
torpid roost
I consider cutting a young woman's breasts off "Mutilation", it's not just like, random on the street things
fresh valve
thats not happening to minors
teal hedge
^
torpid roost
yes it literally is
fresh valve
unless its some breast cancer stuff
fresh valve
wheres your proof
teal hedge
Could you perhaps give me a source?
torpid roost
I'm not linking kids with their body parts cut off in here
teal hedge
There we go.
stark reef
Didn’t a young boy recently die during surgery?
fresh valve
wtf is gender affirming care
stark reef
Seems like he was 18
teal hedge
But you do realise sex-ed doesn't turn people trans/gay?
torpid roost
what does that have to do with it
fresh valve
elaborate on how that means minors are getting sex changes
teal hedge
You said "keeping it away from children"
fresh valve
shits literally fuckin illegal dude
hazy isle
what does that have to do with it
the fact that he brought that up is sus lmao
teal hedge
That's what matt walsh and the others are talking about though?
And that one floridian senator
hazy isle
????
stark reef
Puberty Blockers are used on minors - that’s the whole point
torpid roost
don't say gay bill never said shit about saying gay
mild thunder
That's what matt walsh and the others are talking about though?
"millions of kids are on puberty blockers" 🤡
teal hedge
Why's it called that then?
torpid roost
it's not
teal hedge
Oh hey gala
fresh valve
the dont say gay bill was some retard shit
torpid roost
it was to stop teachers from talking about fucking with under 8th grade kids
teal hedge
Puberty Blockers are used on minors - that’s the whole point
They can be reversed, from what I've heard.
torpid roost
*stop them from SECRETLY talking to them
they can be reversed in some cases
still a terrible idea
hazy isle
i wish that bill was as bad as leftists wanted it to be, but desantis is a cuck sadly
fresh valve
it was to stop teachers from talking about fucking with under 8th grade kids
pretty sure thats illegal regardless
torpid roost
should be
mild thunder
don't say gay bill never said shit about saying gay
the problem was the chilling effect that the bill would likely have on discussing certain authors, books etc. that were written/contain LGBT characters, as any questions about said characters, authors' sexuality could lead to a lawsuit against the teacher
torpid roost
but that codified that you can't do that in secrecy