pvp

[robust hearth]

easy fiix

[fresh valve]

I honestly wouldnt give a shit if they put it in shuffle

not a good idea but I wouldnt care

[robust hearth]

other glads give a shit

i mentioned it 1 time on a stream and i got banned 😄

[fresh valve]

the only people that give a shit are the 3000 people that still push glad

[stark reef]

On break rn eating some apple pie.

[fresh valve]

could be less than that

[fresh valve]

gz

[robust hearth]

bruh...

[woeful solstice]

told myself id quit if i didnt get it

[sharp meteor]

ya was on the verge the other day

[unique fox]

If next seasons meta sucks ass I'm done i think

[woeful solstice]

bro this was 12 min earlier

😐

2 more wins for fucks sake

[runic wharf]

man how do u win in lobbies of demo lock, frost mage or hunter

feel like im kited for days

[rotund trellis]

destroy frost mage, win

[runic wharf]

im like perma rooted

[rotund trellis]

don't charge in, use the mount on opening, that's what I do. In 3v3 tho ss I don't know

[runic wharf]

feels like any lobbies with 2 classes who can root efficiently its gg

[rotund trellis]

BS talent, eexecute charge talent etc

[runic wharf]

ill be lucky if i split

[sharp meteor]

demo frost bm etc not a fun time

everybody just pves/controls you

[rotund trellis]

obv heroic leap ability

[woeful solstice]

go gnome

you have to play those lobbies with a different mindset

be conservative with your gap closers

hit whatever is closest to you

[rotund trellis]

this

I find that mages when pressured a lot, if they're not REALLY skilled, get confused and fuck up.

for locks I use wrecking throw

[runic wharf]

past few times i get the ppl that wanna go hunter/evoker to kill and its like plz mang

i cant handle it

[woeful solstice]

dont tunnel

[rotund trellis]

evoker is squishy, but when they hover change target. I had decent success against them, and I'm total shit at pvp

[dark sparrow]

Using gnome racial to get out of steel trap and slap the shit out of the Hunter feels so good

[woeful solstice]

yea im prob swapping main to gnome

wanna see the meta landscape first

[dark sparrow]

Yea I’m probably gonna get a feel of the season etc on my current main, the dark iron dwarf and after Main the gnome

Just gotta try and find some more dps players to add to bnet so i can actually push with a team for once

[unique fox]

Gnomes the only choice that makes sense

[dark sparrow]

Depends on meta, if it’s rmp meta than orc will probably still edge out imo

[old trail]

tyty, took me only 14 full games and 2 half games

😄

as a belf too!

[woeful solstice]

alright done with legend. done with s1 with about 12 hours to spare

[tawny crater]

What are you going for

[woeful solstice]

just had to finish legend, i put it off till last minute haha

[rotund trellis]

I have 51 points to go in 2v2. My buddy logs at 1am TONIGHT. fuck me why do I do this to myself

[wispy drum]

We have 50 points left in RBGs but our leader won't be on until midnight.

[rotund trellis]

it's gonna be an arena and coffee night

[wispy drum]

Our fault for waiting until last week though.

[sharp meteor]

ya idk what came over me waiting so long

i always get stuff wrapped up way ahead of time

[rotund trellis]

the last day you mean lol fuck me

[wispy drum]

[rotund trellis]

I literally grinded 250 points saturday night with my Australian teammate, tonight is our last night. He's already 2000+ but I'm at 1749 cause I played diablo 2 for a whole month. what a smart idea

[wispy drum]

50 is absolutely doable you got this.

If we can queue post season I might be able to finally get Grand Marshal tonight. No tabard or weapons but don't care.

[spark zenith]

Wholeheartedly agree.

[magic wing]

Naaah

I want Corrupted Ashbringer then

[wispy drum]

Can I get the Wrathful drake for saddles plz

[sharp meteor]

drakes and elite sets probs gone forever

who knows tho

[wispy drum]

It's not as big of a deal as people demand it is. It's a single colour of a set with several versions now, and we can unlock the spell effects now too for all of them

[vivid pumice]

how do you unlock the spell effects?

[sharp meteor]

that's a recent thing

and not even rly a pvp thing

[wispy drum]

2400, KSH, or CE.

[vivid pumice]

ksh?

[wispy drum]

Keystone Hero

Which is much easier than the other two.

[gray umbra]

I'm new to war, whyd everyone stop playing spear? Did it get nerfed at some point

[vivid pumice]

its mor so that thunderous roar got buffed, and spear, while really strong when used well, was really difficult to optimize

in other words

nearly every class had a way with dealing with it

whether it be some movement to get out, defensive that nullified it, or a way to stop the warrior when it was down

[gray umbra]

Gotcha. Spear seems pretty good at lower cr for people who panic easily

[vivid pumice]

it's still a solid choice if you can make it work, but the visual is so obvious that a lot of people know to react as soon as they see it. TRoar is more subtle so people don't expect the added damage

[gray umbra]

Do you typically roar at the start of your go right before you go into cs

[vivid pumice]

I use it on cd but to be completely honest, I am not the best player here

[merry linden]

Anyone know if Honor/conquest is being reset after this season?

[sharp meteor]

Conquest obviously will be. Honor usually isn't but seeing as 437 honor gear is going on vendors soon I could see them also wiping honor.

[obsidian loom]

do i need to customize bigdebuffs or is their default priority system fine

[stark reef]

Default is good

[simple rock]

only thing I changed is intervene so I don't ever bolt or kick into it

[tawny brook]

Are the random gear boxes the best way to spend conquest for gold

[simple rock]

hard to notice vene if they're directly next to each other

[torpid roost]

wondering this as well

not sure what I'm gonna do with this 20k conquest otherwise, already have full fury/prot set

(also, ofc, arms)

[stark reef]

Can we bring gym-posting back boys?

[wheat jay]

Real

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-in-new-york-arnold-arnold-schwarzenegger-run-jump-gif-25359826

[stark reef]

Any Greg Plitt enthusiasts in chat?

https://youtu.be/eE9KHkHJOmc

[tawny brook]

https://twitter.com/ElliottVenczel/status/1651324445573939200?cxt=HHwWgIDUtbG11-otAAAA

venruki (@ElliottVenczel)

Leather = 1287 versa
Cloth = 267
Mail = 181
Plate = 172

All leather classes will use tier without any thought and everyone else will skip it.

Either tier needs a more balanced value of Versa between the armour types or completely disabled.
@WarcraftDevs

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Twitter · Apr 26, 2023, 8:36 PM

[wheat jay]

LMAO

[woeful solstice]

What in gods name

1287?

[sharp meteor]

That's like 6% vers.

[spice hornet]

I climbed without bladestorm, intervene, and commanding cause those abilities are bad in shuffle and affected by damp

[vapid tartan]

Using intervene means u weren’t doing enough dps

[torpid roost]

on the one hand, he has a point that that's clearly imbalanced

on the other

rogues and DHs are kinda squishlords outside of CDs

stat inflation might be at a point where we can get 30% with really shitty vers amounts

[stark reef]

“A man rolls a warrior and then tries to peel for his team and you think that of me?! No! I am the one who knocks!”

[vapid tartan]

Don’t you get 30% vers with just conq gear no gems or enchants

think you can push it to like 33-34

[mild thunder]

There’s a good chance specs won’t really want their tier anyway

[vapid tartan]

Quick destro arms vs ret warr

Wat I do

[wispy drum]

Scream

[torpid roost]

I'd go for the warrior

unless your healer is a priest

then target ret

[woeful solstice]

just go ret

[stark reef]

Yeah, 100% go ret

Never go war as war

[sharp meteor]

always ret although warr can be good target in a pinch with no parry

[torpid roost]

he said "warr" while specifying arms on himself

assumed it may be fury

besides, no parry when you're disarmed :p

[vapid tartan]

Lock ended up going 1-5 rip

[stark reef]

The thing is that as soon as you have a ret with a semi-tanky partner you pretty much have to focus the ret or punch through bop + sac + all of their defensive CD's

Whilst also getting the belt from the ret throughout the whole thing

[sharp meteor]

ret is pretty good at blunting goes ya

can also sanc either of their teammates out (or their tyrant) if not covered

[stark reef]

Hitting ret doesn't feel great but you take two of their CD's off the table and might even force them to play defensive which lowers their DPS

I'm always on the fence if it's ret + monk or ret + DH

Ret + caster I always go caster which includes hunters

[woeful solstice]

speed queing my hunter to 1800

2-3 min solos

everyone desperate

[rotund trellis]

[woeful solstice]

hahahaha

youll get it

[tawny brook]

Does it matter where you end the season if you already have 1800 which was my goal? Not worried about or good enough for 2100 yet

[sharp meteor]

Nah.

only for r1

[fresh valve]

if you aint first youre last

[tawny brook]

So no record like you were 1759 arms in season 1 of dragonflight?

[sharp meteor]

Nah.

[tawny brook]

K

[sharp meteor]

Although honestly even if there was who cares lmao

[rotund trellis]

I'm gonna watch 15 minutes of goggin's speeches befor queueing

[torpid roost]

Hard drive failure last day of the season

Fuck you, Samsung

[sharp meteor]

Partners flaked in final weeks of season I love life

[torpid roost]

Was steady climbing, now I'm -196 and down a pc

[sharp meteor]

Oh well next season should be a good time

[fresh valve]

[sharp meteor]

I honestly had a blast in bgs/shuffle, at least for the most part

[torpid roost]

N-next season won't be bullshit, right guys?

Granted I should've made the basis for my push like a month+ ago

[sharp meteor]

3v3 just kind of unfun because my healer just ticked off

I got flamed for not berserker raging them out of a sap

[unique fox]

My healer titled off the face of the earth and we cratered 300 CR lol

Just feeding mercilessly

[fresh valve]

lfg's some embarrassing shit

[woeful solstice]

seeing someone in lfg who called me dogshit about 2 months ago when i was 2k

hes still 2k

and still in lfg

[sharp meteor]

I remember pugging up solely via lfg at one point and just bookmarking everybody that was super rude and mean with their current rating then checking back later.

[woeful solstice]

hahaha ive done a few, yeah

[sharp meteor]

Just floating around at 1800-2200 being a shithead for no reason.

[woeful solstice]

its always great seeing them tank

[sharp meteor]

Like, losses can be annoying but random flame over completely reasonable stuff is weird.

[woeful solstice]

i had a consistent ret/rsham i was playing with the week ret was insane...we went to like 2280 and then started losing over stupid shit

[rotund trellis]

got a glad help

[woeful solstice]

the ret finally just like rage logged off and removed me from bnet

hes now 1850

[woeful solstice]

oh you are gonna get it dood

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[rotund trellis]

1766 I believe

[woeful solstice]

dont choke at your last W

just pretend its another game and you're 1200

[unique fox]

1800 bracket in 2s is some sweaty shit

Harder than games at 2k

[woeful solstice]

yeah i agree

2s is giga deflated and filled with carries

great spot to learn shit

[fresh valve]

goin up against some real enthusiasts

[rotund trellis]

I'm keeping it chill, but it's rough

[old lodge]

anyone knows what happens to honor and conquest tomorrow?

[rotund trellis]

1775 bois

[torpid roost]

Was pushing 1900 then my computer exploded

[mild thunder]

resets

[woeful solstice]

wow PVE got shafted on mounts again

meanwhile us gigachads get a sick fucking dragon and snails

[frail badge]

can you have have to much of a stat ? these are my stats when attacking the pvp target dummy

in regards to versatility

[old lodge]

thank you @mild thunder

so spend it all

[tawny brook]

Make glad mount available in ss then take the boomer modes (2s, 3s) out back and retire em

[fresh valve]

better idea get rid of shuffle and just make 3's solo queue-able

[tawny brook]

2v2 ss with only dps

Prison yard map

[little lava]

ss is fucking dogshit

[tawny brook]

Best mode they ever added

Finding a group is a pain

[unique fox]

Honor carries over doesnt it?

[gray umbra]

Ss isn't even arena

[torpid roost]

Nah bring back 5s and 2s glad

[woeful solstice]

hell to the fuck no

[woeful solstice]

yes

[rotund trellis]

GIVE IT TO ME BOISSSSSSSSSSS

[woeful solstice]

meanwhile on my freshly geared BM as of an hour ago:

[gray umbra]

Ppl that are rated 2.4k+ in ss are hardstuck 1.4k in actual 3s lol

[woeful solstice]

speedrunning 1800

[torpid roost]

Lol

[sharp meteor]

shuffle really encourages jsut doing damage

and pressing defensive when horn goes honk

[unique fox]

some of the most trash idiot rets I played with in LFG were like 2700 SS

[woeful solstice]

ya i legit didnt give a fuck about shuffle anymore after i hit 2400

[gray umbra]

Yeah jts a joke

[woeful solstice]

went to 3s, way more fun

[gray umbra]

I hope to have 0 ss games played this season

[unique fox]

theyd walk out of dome, randomly blind, hojing dps on CD

[woeful solstice]

its nice for getting alts elite and stuff

thats about it

[unique fox]

SS actually destroys my mental health, im just mad all day after playing a few lol

[mild thunder]

trueee, i love playing my favourite mmo so i can NOT pvp with my friends because 3s isnt a thing

[unique fox]

3s i can queue for 10 hrs straight with a smile on my face

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

[mild thunder]

soloQ is the worst thing to happen to wow pvp since... ever

[woeful solstice]

its bad but not that bad

just put more rewards in 3s

good rewards that arent unobtainable for 99.99% of the playerbase like glad mount

solo needs to be arena-lite

Diet Arena

not a fucking replacement

[mild thunder]

they need to make arena more accessible, and the way to do that isnt rewards, it's by fixing the clusterfuck of complexity in pvp

[woeful solstice]

that too

[unique fox]

Wonder if they're gonna deflate SS in season 2

[torpid wing]

anyone have a solid fury build?

[woeful solstice]

said they were going to

we'll see

[mild thunder]

it should have been done a decade ago, but - sArena/gladius, omnibar and some lite WAs all need to be baked into the game in some manner

[unique fox]

We're gonna be dealing with 2.9k xp rets for the rest of time now

[mild thunder]

and Diminish

[stark reef]

BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICkAERTISkENQQCgkWSAJJJhkIRSSkWaJJAJBAAAABB

[woeful solstice]

i hope they deflate ss + inflate 3s a tiny bit

[fresh valve]

wow pvp's been on a decline since WoD

[torpid wing]

ty

[mild thunder]

pre sure they already confirmed that soloQ is getting nuked

[stark reef]

[mild thunder]

inflation-wise

[woeful solstice]

yea hope they stick with it

legit saw some insane shit at 2.9k mmr solo

that would not fly at 1800 3s

[rotund trellis]

just saying

[mild thunder]

grats

[woeful solstice]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

he did it

fucking chad

zero to hero in one season

[stark reef]

🤝

[mild thunder]

soloQ just doesnt incentivise good gameplay in the way that 2s/3s do

[stark reef]

It doesn't because people overlap defensive CD's without comms

So going max dmg just blows someone out the water sooner than later

[fresh valve]

soloq is good because less meta comps

[mild thunder]

cap

[fresh valve]

also lfg logistics is fuckin retarded

[mild thunder]

every lobby has either a ret, demo or some other meta cuck spec

[fresh valve]

those are meta specs not meta comps

[mild thunder]

it's just as cringe as versing terminally meta comps in 3s

[woeful solstice]

yea ill agree here

[stark reef]

[woeful solstice]

lfg needs a major facelift

[fresh valve]

bullshit u know ret/warr ruined 3's

[mild thunder]

ret ruined 3s

not ret/warr

[fresh valve]

if ret didnt get buffed we'd still be bitching about rmp

[mild thunder]

ret/bm and ret/demo are still very popular and have been since 10.0.7

[stark reef]

That meta was actually ass

[mild thunder]

rmp was never really an issue this season...

rpx was the cringe

[sharp meteor]

Good job. Just in time.

[stark reef]

Combustion & Convoke early SL was actually peak ass

Ret is nothing compared to that shit

[fresh valve]

literally if u aint playin a meta comp ur losing

[torpid roost]

Well yeah, but only because mage is kinda weak

[fresh valve]

this has always been the case

[rotund trellis]

thanks all, couldnt do it without you

[mild thunder]

and if you arent playing a meta spec in soloQ, you're probably losing

[stark reef]

Wrong

[mild thunder]

it doesnt negate wow being meta-cucked

[stark reef]

What's non meta dps? I bet someone somewhere is 3k plus just gaming

[robust hearth]

Happy add-ons breaking day tomorrow!

[fresh valve]

id rather deal with fotm losers than a shit ton of meta comps

[rotund trellis]

I DID IT IM STOKED

[robust hearth]

Make ret paladins fun again

[rotund trellis]

thanks man, it's been a rollercoaster

[stark reef]

Nobody can tell that guy enjoying his feral he's not making the cut. If he got the rating he's in the game.

[fresh valve]

plus the logistics of finding the right people that work well with your class

[mild thunder]

okay? top players will always achieve good rating... that doesnt translate to the rest of the playerbase, nor does it dictate how wow should balance/arrange their shit

also, feral is not off-meta lmao

[stark reef]

I don't know the meta

I just know feral is usually off-meta

[rotund trellis]

I'm so happy guys, I'm 42 yo an old fuck, yet i made it. god I love this game

[mild thunder]

feral hasn't been off-meta for a very long time

[fresh valve]

the rest of the playerbase avoids wasting their time in pvp

[stark reef]

Ok, the point?

[fresh valve]

like an intelligent person would

[stark reef]

You can queue up with your class, get rating compared to others playing your calss

If your class is shit you can still play as far as it takes you and actually reach R#1 respectively

[fresh valve]

more individual responsibility

[stark reef]

If you want to do some arcane mage gaming, it's all you and the other's that enjoy it

[mild thunder]

bullshit, soloQ does not have more individual responsibility - one thing goes wrong and everyone pawns it off and flames healer

a good 3s team will always discuss mistakes and issues as a team and take ownership

[stark reef]

[fresh valve]

if u find a team lmfao

[mild thunder]

finding a team is only worse this xpac BECAUSE of soloQ

[stark reef]

I'm playing a game mate, i'm not trying to "take ownership." That's called a job.

[mild thunder]

finding a team in SL wasn't that bad

[fresh valve]

finding a team is worse this xpac because nobody plays this garbage fuckin game anymore

[mild thunder]

wow popularity is pretty high rn...

and pvp particpiation is in a pretty decent place iirc, the problem is those players arent funneled into 2s/3s/lfg

[fresh valve]

you mean Hardcore classic popularity is high rn

[sharp meteor]

i mean at the end of the day in 3v3 you're trying to figure out what the best play is as a team

parrying opener vs cds may be the play

maybe that throws the game

[mild thunder]

no

[fresh valve]

yea

[mild thunder]

classic makes up a tiny proportion of wow's playerbase

[sharp meteor]

they need hardmode retail leveling on god

just an optional hardmode difficulty

perma death and you have to eat food/water etc

[unique fox]

Lets just go back to playing Everquest

[mild thunder]

sounds boring af

[fresh valve]

all the pvp streamers aint even playin retail anymore

xaryu's on HC

Savix

[mild thunder]

because it's the end of the season? people always venture off to other stuff while waiting for next patch

[sharp meteor]

ya they always play what the hype is

bouncing around makes sense

[fresh valve]

no cause the game is fuckin boring to most people

[unique fox]

Kinda fun watching the R1 stragglers balding in real time trying to get safe R1

[mild thunder]

this is literally the cycle of wow - season comes > people play season > season comes to a close, people experiment with other stuff > people say wow is dead > new season comes out > wow's not dead

[fresh valve]

and I doubt next patch dropping is gonna get more people invested

nobody watches retail streams lmfao

[mild thunder]

who gives a fuck about streamers tbh

[fresh valve]

HC got sodapoppin back in ffs

[gray umbra]

The beginning of DF pvp was so good. How'd they fuck up so bad

[sharp meteor]

tier and ret rework

[mild thunder]

because their bored boomers trying to relive their peaks

[fresh valve]

WoW's just an enthusiast game at this point

[sharp meteor]

game got real cringe real fast

[mild thunder]

tier wasnt that bad tbh, but 10.0.7 was a disasterpiece

[sharp meteor]

assa has entered the chat

[mild thunder]

as bad as assa was, id rather verse it 100x more than ret

[woeful solstice]

god this chat sounds like a big whiny bitchfest

[sharp meteor]

im angsty

[woeful solstice]

post bench

[fresh valve]

or maybe it's better content than visual diarrhea

[mild thunder]

then why isnt it bigger than retail?

[frail badge]

how good is the fatality talent? is it worth dropping a point/rank out of bloodborne for it?

[woeful solstice]

its alright

bad in solos imo

[fresh valve]

bigger in subscriber count or popularity?

[frail badge]

oh i am only refering to solo

[mild thunder]

classic has had all the opportunity in the world to succeed and overtake retail, and it never will - because it's not as good. there's less content, it's more time-consuming, less interesting and less diverse

[woeful solstice]

id keep bb maxed but thats just me

[frail badge]

ok thanks ill keep what i have then

[woeful solstice]

the game is spreadsheeted to death anyone going back thinking it was going to be some amazing game is delusional

[mild thunder]

^

[woeful solstice]

source: i played it in 2004, game was ass

[fresh valve]

because even if retail has more people playing its still not an impressive amount of people

[mild thunder]

????

are you fucking dumb lmao

[quaint ruin]

Classic is for whiny nerds

[unique fox]

2004 wow was fucking sick

[woeful solstice]

it was so rough around the edges, it had charm yes but classic is literally a boomer nostalgia hit

[mild thunder]

retail is still a fair bit bigger than LITERALLY ANY OTHER MMO

[woeful solstice]

you cant recapture 2004 internet culture

[gray umbra]

P sure final fantasy has more players could be wrong

[fresh valve]

if that was the case why doesnt blizz put out their sub numbers

[mild thunder]

ff14 popularity died down pre hard

[woeful solstice]

it wasnt just the game and the state it existed in, it was also how games were consumned, culture, etc.

internet access

[mild thunder]

also ff14 is fucking ass and was made for closet-pedos

[woeful solstice]

yeah ff14 kinda sucks ngl i played it a bit and its...odd

[unique fox]

Yeah the internet was a better place when it was just a bunch of autist neckbeards

[frail badge]

is shattering/wreking thro needed even? i was thinking of removing it for the menace talent for solo

[fresh valve]

wow's playerbase literally split in half to go play FF when korthia dropped

[woeful solstice]

shatter -> paladin, mage
wrecking -> mw monk, warlock, maybe disc priest??

[mild thunder]

idk man, you're living in delusion land

[quaint ruin]

If ur going on rets/mages/locks and dont have mass dispel

[mild thunder]

wow's playerbase definitely didnt half for ff14, and DF pulled a fuckton of players back

everyone hated SL (shocker) and ff14 was all the rage for a few months

[fresh valve]

at launch maybe

[mild thunder]

that's literally the mmo cycle

[woeful solstice]

yeah retail still easily the biggest mmo on the block

[fresh valve]

now nobody gives af and its still deader than SL

[unique fox]

Korthia was so bad it literally permanently damaged WoW

[woeful solstice]

dont think ppl realize how massive WoW has managed to stay lol

[mild thunder]

it's been this way for 15+ years, wow always survives

[frail badge]

should i keep one of the throws instead of swaping it for the menace talent?

[fresh valve]

just cause its alive doesnt mean its thriving

[gray umbra]

Riots pvp mmo hopefully going to b good

[mild thunder]

it's alive, it's as big/bigger than any other mmo on the market and is still the benchmark for literally any competitor

but yea i guess its not thriving lmao

[fresh valve]

wow is dead and wow pvp is rotted

[mild thunder]

wow is dead.... doesnt matter that it's the biggest mmo in the world, i said it's dead 🤓

[unique fox]

Just waiting on Counter Strike 2

[gray umbra]

Yezzir

[mild thunder]

you're a pvper playing wow, and you're basing your opinion on wow only on it's pvp, which is a retarded thing to do

[gray umbra]

And a full version of tarkov ffs

[quaint ruin]

I wish someone claiming wow is dead would just once describe in what aspect.

[mild thunder]

i dont like it = it's dead 🤓

[quaint ruin]

Ye

Pretty much

[fresh valve]

wow pvp is deader than dead lmfao

[mild thunder]

yea, wow pvp is pretty small and niche... that doesnt mean wow is lol

[quaint ruin]

Cant tell if troll

[unique fox]

Lets be real we know arena is dead

[fresh valve]

small and niche because its filled with a whole bunch of boomers

[rotund trellis]

feelsgood

[mild thunder]

mmos in general are made for/populated by boomers

it's a genre that doesnt appeal much to younger people

[woeful solstice]

yep

[fresh valve]

yea thats definitely good for the games future

[woeful solstice]

who cares

[mild thunder]

[stark reef]

Biggest issue I have with "teams" is that it's one thing to find someone at your rating playing a class that matches but a completely different thing to find someone you're excited to play/improve with.

[fresh valve]

not like those boomers end up getting jobs or wives

[quaint ruin]

@fresh valve Are u ok? You sound unhappy

[mild thunder]

and they still play wow

[stark reef]

Most people I actually enjoy playing with are turbo-casual. We're talking barely using keybinds type of casual.

[fresh valve]

turbo casuals

[mild thunder]

almost everyone i know in this game has a wife and kids, and they still log on almost every day to get their game-time in

[woeful solstice]

yeah this is a massive chunk of the playerbase

[mild thunder]

high m+ pushers and CE raiders, but yea... casual

[sharp meteor]

It is hard. You need similar goal, exp, schedule, etc. I think that's why we needed shuffle.

PEople have access to a lot of potential partners so on a loss they jsut leave

sit in lfg for 45 minutes, lose 15 points, back in lfg

[unique fox]

The problem with WoW PVP is that its completely inaccessible to newcomers, so it's always going to be dying bit by bit.

[fresh valve]

^

[stark reef]

I mean my mythic guild was lead by a 21 year old FedEx employee who was giving Stalone type motivational speeches before yelling at the top of his lungs 30min into prog.

There's only so much of this you can sit through with a straight face

[mild thunder]

as much as people cry and ree about it, this game is kept alive by casuals - high-end raiding, m+, pvp is all a subset of a subset

[stark reef]

🤣

[quaint ruin]

The differance is ppl give up after 2 games these days. Find someone in lfg, play without voice, lose 2 gamesz disband. Back to LFG

[sage raptor]

Sit in queue for 45 minute, queue into double ret, lose CR.

[stark reef]

100%

[fresh valve]

bro the casual content isn't even that stellar tbh

[sage raptor]

Traded one waiting game for another

[unique fox]

You need 10 addons and knowledge of literally every ability in the game, who the fuck is gonna learn all that shit if they don't already know it? Someone new logs in, dies instantly, says "alright fuck that shit" and never logs in again lol

[sharp meteor]

Ya the visual clarity thing sucks

[fresh valve]

FF14 is a better casual mmo than wow

[unique fox]

I wouldnt wish learning arena PVP on my worst enemy

[quaint ruin]

Or play ret

[sharp meteor]

It's honestly not bad at all if you've got a willing buddy.

I had friends who hated pvp until I gave them a bit of a structure/framework

[mild thunder]

by whose standards? not by the market's, because everyone is choosing to play the sub-based mmo lol

[sharp meteor]

then suddenly it's a lot less confusing and frustrating

[fresh valve]

compare wow questlines to ff14 questlines

[sharp meteor]

I heard their story stuff is much better

[fresh valve]

the only casual content is lfr and bgs

[sharp meteor]

wow is just collect 14 bear butts

bgs rly are great tho

[mild thunder]

if you want to talk about storylines, fact is no game does it any better than swtor

and that's a fact

[sharp meteor]

love bgs as a casual pvp

[mild thunder]

and you know whats a deadass game

swtor

[wispy drum]

Love BGs...

[sharp meteor]

well yeah don't need other people for solo rpg story stuff

[fresh valve]

raids arent that bad in ff14 either

[stark reef]

A lot of casual people barely reach the level cap. They have 10 characters between lv. 20 and 60 and their achievement is reaching Valdrakken.

[torpid wing]

why the fuck am i so trash

[sharp meteor]

i ask myself the same question

[torpid wing]

feel like i barely do any dmg

[fresh valve]

idk I think the casuals in this game got legit braindamage

[sharp meteor]

one night i put people in the dirt randomly, other night i don't dent them

[sharp meteor]

i feel like most just level alts and farm old raids ya

group content can be scary

[stark reef]

Yeah, a lot might have played earlier so they rather use their time to farm out thunderfury

[fresh valve]

group content is full of spergs tilting

[mild thunder]

leveling, mog-farming, mount-collecting, rep-farming, questing/story-following, casual pvp, covenant/garrison/order hall etc.

dude there is fucktons of casual stuff in wow

[wispy drum]

I've been working on collecting all the transmog in the game. There's a lot to do.

[fresh valve]

I'd say the collection stuff is pretty good but everything else is mid af

[mild thunder]

wow literally has tons and tons and tons and tons of content to sift through

[fresh valve]

old content isn't a good incentive tho

[stark reef]

Some people also read quests

Gotta admire that

[wispy drum]

I have friends who have literally not even done a dungeon in years and still find stuff to do.

[woeful solstice]

yeah man ur underestimating the casual content in this game, stop middle curving it

[fresh valve]

the new content is what should matter

[wispy drum]

It's an RPG.

[mild thunder]

i always told myself that one day i would lvl a character from 1-max reading all quests and following the story

i never did

[woeful solstice]

yet people will literally keep playing between patches to catch up on old content

[stark reef]

That's a whole different mindset. There's people out there with thousands of hours /played just reading quests and farming professions on alts

[mild thunder]

literally all i did s4 of SL was mog/mount-farm and it was one of the best seasons i ever played of this game

casual af, but it was chill and fun

[fresh valve]

new players arent gonna play the game for old content

[mild thunder]

doesnt ff14 literally make you replay previous expansions as a new player?

[stark reef]

It's the dads that were active in wrath but now don't have time and always wanted X set on X character

[sharp meteor]

old content probs most enojyed casual stuff

every boomer farms invincible

[wispy drum]

Yes. And the story makes sense because of it

[stark reef]

Exactly, this type of stuff

[fresh valve]

listen some of those expansions are god tier

[wispy drum]

Slowly making my way through that game and I just do the raids as they come with friends because it all scales.

[fresh valve]

way better than any fuckin questline this game has

[mild thunder]

dude you're just moving the goalposts to coom over ff14

[wispy drum]

Sort of wish we could do that in WoW.

[sharp meteor]

its why i thought retail needed a non trivial casually accessible thing like hardcore leveling

[stark reef]

I promised myself that's how I'll play Diablo 4 but will be tough. I see leaderboards and the autism kicks in

[sharp meteor]

mage tower for instance is a neat idea

[wispy drum]

Going in and one tapping the Lich King is boring AF for new players and you don't get invested.

[fresh valve]

new people play ff's old expansion content because its that good who tf says that about wow

[mild thunder]

literally anyone that farms old content

which is a fuckton of people

[wispy drum]

Nobody because you can't properly outside a couple Timewalking raids

I'd kill to redo Throne of Thunder and MoP properly

[fresh valve]

I doubt it's that many

who tf pays a sub just to solo ulduar every week

idk maybe someone actually does that

[woeful solstice]

bro i bet you its way more than you think lmao

for collecting

collecting is like the ultimate end game for a fuckton of wow players

[mild thunder]

collectionism is a very, very popular form of content lmao

[woeful solstice]

one of the most downloaded addons of all time is All The Things

[mild thunder]

you're just massively disconnected from the playerbase

[woeful solstice]

^

[sharp meteor]

This addon gives me anxiety man

and I have a schizo tier amount of achi points

[fresh valve]

nah I think the collection stuff is good just not good enough to rake in new players

[sharp meteor]

and yeah its mostly doable solo for the most part which is very appealing for a lot of people

just chill grinding

[woeful solstice]

yeah no shot, the collection thing is the drug hit after new players get bored of current content

[sharp meteor]

watch a movie

[fresh valve]

and that audience is 100% filled with returning players

[woeful solstice]

they dont join WoW to collect

the collectors are people that started WoW for other reasons, stayed for the collecting

[stark reef]

I honestly really like that this new patch people can gear up very high ilvl without group content.

I know it’s weird to play “mmos solo” but it’s a big audience and I find myself in that audience increasingly.

I can’t play single player games because I like sharing a world with other players, see them and see what they do and have the option to group but dragonflight I barely did any group content.

[fresh valve]

the collectors are people that at least started in Legion

[woeful solstice]

😡

3rd time

just wanna 6-0 another lobby as bm and collect my 6th welfare elite set

[stark reef]

Podcasts + mmos is legit my favorite past time

Farm some hides, have a coffee, listen to something interesting

[woeful solstice]

yeah

its a good one

[fresh valve]

group content in this game is built 2 tilt

[sharp meteor]

i have been enjoying cooking videos on youtube

[stark reef]

It’s most games these days. I honestly think it’s because of esports & content creation as a job.

A lot of people that are really passionate about games at least like that idea and they think “if we can just get a bit higher on the board people watch the stream, just a few more points and I can play against/with pro XY”

And I love esports, watching lol esports every year, mostly worlds but even msi and other stuff. Watching race to world first every time.

But it’s definitely affected gaming culture

[fresh valve]

its more pathetic in wow tho because most players dont make money off it

[stark reef]

Not even the pros

[fresh valve]

Liquid literally had some dude quit to go play PoE

[stark reef]

Yeah, biggest L is if you’re in a top 5 guild, you compete for free with the guys getting paid

And I get that people do it as a passion but it’s very intense to just do for fun.

[fresh valve]

idk I guess they're addicted to stress

[stark reef]

I played with a limit raider who was part of their nzoth kill for a few months during classic launch and when it’s go time those boys are on the clock.

As much as I love this stuff, no shot I’d do that for free

[fresh valve]

problem is end-game content is oriented around people who play the game as a job

why create content in a game that few people are gonna experience

shit makes no sense from a business standpoint

[stark reef]

I think blizzard should step up and support their pros more like riot games

Race to world first is a big advertisement

And I personally like that the game has this level of difficulty but tbh, I barely play it myself. Barrier of entry is very high, having those 3 nights a week blocked off just isn’t possible

I think 12 man could be an interesting group size

[fresh valve]

ya having 20 players is annoying to manage

[stark reef]

But tbh, I don’t play it so I try not to have to strong of an opinion. I love watching it, always hype

Wake up, check the %, tune in for a few min with the coffee

[fresh valve]

I think raids are fine for the most part but there's still retarded shit like run backs and lockouts

[stark reef]

WoW arena is unwatchable though - I think POV would be better. At least as an option.

[fresh valve]

nah not even

[stark reef]

I just feel like all I am watching is set-ups. Just can’t get hyped about it.

Maybe I’m just not in the team v team mindset to appreciate the mind games but it just doesn’t feel exciting

I love in league you can watch pro-view of your favorite players

[obsidian loom]

Arena being treated as an eSport is the second biggest reason why arena is dogshit

The first is that pvp is a mini game

[fresh valve]

its not even a good esport tho lmfao

[obsidian loom]

I know

[stark reef]

When I watch it all I hear/see is “oooooh, he’s low, he’s low. Never mind, now he’s low, oh, the other guy died. Anyways, nice turn around”

[obsidian loom]

Game would be better off by miles without esport designation by blizzard

[fresh valve]

random shit happening with health bars going from 1 to 100

idk maybe im not autistic enough to enjoy the mechanical complexity of wow pvp

[stark reef]

It’s definitely complex but it doesn’t translate to the viewer perspective

“Oh, hoj up in 5, what’s gonna happen? Oh, someone died. Next game boys.”

I honestly enjoy watching pros play shuffle a lot more

Fkn joefernandes losing his marbles. Good content

[fresh valve]

the only reason people defend the amount of bloat in wow pvp is cuz they feel smart or something

maybe it could be an ego thing but who tf are u bragging to lmfao

35 year olds?

[stark reef]

The bloat is very extreme, agreed

I feel like it’s better though - I remember during sl when I tried to learn it it was all set ups and then residentsleeper until CDs back up

That was horrendous

The combustion stuff was such a turn-off

[fresh valve]

nah people started complaining about this in mop and it only got worse with each xpac

[stark reef]

Aight lads, calling it a night! Have a good one!

[sharp meteor]

Night.

[uneven turret]

honor doesn't reset tomorrow right

[sharp meteor]

Generally honor doesn't reset between seasons, no.

There's a small chance it does, but hopefully not.

[sage raptor]

Every multi-player game that I used to love was ruined by esports

[sharp meteor]

They bungled dota and are still coping.

We shall chase the esports money until the game dies.

[fresh valve]

Blizz probably makes more money from WoW token than rwf and awc

[torpid roost]

100%

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

ok im done

[rotund trellis]

YES!!!!

[woeful solstice]

glad, legend, 6 elite sets

df s1 done

[mild thunder]

yea, but did you lvl to 60 in hardcore mode? 🤓

[woeful solstice]

[sharp meteor]

Hunter set honestly looks pretty cool.

There are a few eh sets but the fire theme is neat.

[mild thunder]

hunter set is best one this ssn imo

actually

lock

[tawny brook]

Fury is the class of diesel mechanics

[obsidian loom]

Meirl

[tawny brook]

Call em like I see em

[woeful solstice]

Yeah I got all my favorites

War, dk, paladin, warlock, hunter, dh

[sharp meteor]

Season still on.

Weird.

[tawny brook]

Are there even going to be arena matches for funsies?

[woeful solstice]

usually is

[mild thunder]

?

[sharp meteor]

Ratings haven't locked.

[mild thunder]

i thought it was tonight

10pm

[sharp meteor]

It was meant to be 26 minutes ago.

[mild thunder]

i mean

we're talking about blizzard here

[woeful solstice]

yolo ill go for another elite set

[torpid roost]

I'm so pissed my computer detonated

[woeful solstice]

ill try mage

[torpid roost]

Lose 200 points and fuck myself

[woeful solstice]

oh fuck

i didnt finish DH

LOL

1650

[mild thunder]

this is such an easyt season for alts but i could never be fucked

[sharp meteor]

Good luck.

[torpid roost]

1900something to 1700something now

[woeful solstice]

yeah it was free elite sets

[mild thunder]

every time i play anotheqr spec i remember arms is just more fun

[woeful solstice]

every class

i was just too lazy to get them all

[mild thunder]

i had dh, dk, druid, evo, sham, hunt, ww all leveled and geared but never bothered

[vapid tartan]

Season ends this reset right

[woeful solstice]

it was supposed to be over about 30 mins ago

[vapid tartan]

Trying to get the last char to 2400 but these shuffle queues killing me

Fuck

[woeful solstice]

but looking like its going to reset

[vapid tartan]

Still need 2 games

[woeful solstice]

rip anyone pushing r1

[mild thunder]

sitting in soloQ for all those specs is just boringo

[woeful solstice]

have fun playing all night

[sharp meteor]

Have fun balding all night.

I think it was Sinful where people were locked in

but anybody who pushed after it "ended" also got it

so everybody happy

[frail badge]

was as close as i ever was to getting 2.1 weapon illusion in solo and was jut under 2k now i lost a bunch and am 1774

never got a pvp illusion before

[fossil mortar]

Oof, sorry to hear that

Next season goal confirmed?

[frail badge]

maybe lol

oh nm yeah i always just try and get 1800 for the transmog

was only trying for 2.1 since solo is a thing now

also 81% way for season mount

dont know if ill continue more tonight

[woeful solstice]

tbf this pvp illusion is dogshit

for s1

the s2 one is WAY better, youll get it

[fossil mortar]

I still got around 14 saddles, i am fine a few more years on the mount part

[frail badge]

thanks yeah the s2 one looks cooler, i would have had better chance/more time but only started playing this pvp season about 2 weeks ago

[fossil mortar]

Next season w1

[frail badge]

whats w1 mean

[fossil mortar]

Week 1

[frail badge]

oh ok thanks

how long does a pvp season usually last for?

also dont know if trure but i read honor points might not get reset, im caped on honor so might be able to get full honor set right away

[woeful solstice]

6ish months or so

usually

[frail badge]

lol dam i really did join late then

[woeful solstice]

imo get in early and play

or do it late

[frail badge]

maybe thats why queues are so long now too

[woeful solstice]

mid season has been dull for the last few expansions

its always poppin off for the first month or two

[vapid tartan]

What rating at 3s is about same difficult as 2.4 in ss

[woeful solstice]

honestly?

like 1800

probably lower

[vapid tartan]

my goal for next season is duelist in 3s

[woeful solstice]

prob closer to 1800ish now with the inflated 3s bracket over the last week

[vapid tartan]

Idk how achievable that it tho

[frail badge]

does the new pvp season start right away when the current one ends on reset?

[woeful solstice]

but for a majority of s1, there was R1s hanging around 2.2-2.4k

[woeful solstice]

nah next week

[frail badge]

oh ok thanks

it was very frustating joining so late as i had little time for 1800 and have not played pvp since bfa so i have not had time for my other games and anime 😦 now i will again

[vapid tartan]

Ret/demo you kill lock rifht

[woeful solstice]

just depends lol

[spice hornet]

playing my lock into ret/war/bm lobby, ret dies 1 round to me, says this when he's on my team

[mild thunder]

rets when they're not omega triple SSS+++ tier specs that get free 3k rating

[spice hornet]

tf?

[mild thunder]

"must be nice never needing to cast anything and still killing ppl"

• a ret that never needs to cast anything and still kills ppl from 20yd and no CDs

[spice hornet]

<@&257983573498265600> guy scamming

[mild thunder]

nah bro, it says it's legit and trustworthy

how could it be a scam

[spice hornet]

Roxi the type of guy to fall for that

[mild thunder]

if the bot said he had a secret no-bladestorm build roxi would click the link

[spice hornet]

roxi done tweakin? havent seen him type in a min

[mild thunder]

he was in here a few hours ago (and every other day )

[woeful solstice]

maybe szn is over

i cant get into a game

oh yeah its done

lol now my DH will forever be missing the helm/shoulders from that set

[torpid roost]

They end up selling most old gear sets

[mild thunder]

the dh set is ugly af anyways

dh and evo both got the worst tier sets in s1

warr a close 3rd

[frail badge]

i liked the evo one a lot but it doesn't matter since they wont let you use your visage form in combat which defeats the whole point in getting a cool lookin set

[sharp meteor]

Not elite stuff.

Just incomplete forever.

[woeful solstice]

guess i will never main DH

id rather swap to DK anyways

if they ever fix them

[elfin surge]

@fickle forge @mild thunder @spice hornet

[spice hornet]

Alpha God

[mild thunder]

[woeful solstice]

wow gigachad

[spice hornet]

Comp?

[elfin surge]

Disc turbo

[woeful solstice]

based

[elfin surge]

Askronnie & Challengerz

[mild thunder]

chad didnt even play ret/warr

🫡

[woeful solstice]

respect

[elfin surge]

ret war for noobs

[mild thunder]

curious to see how sks goes with the crit-nerfs

[woeful solstice]

hey man

i had to secure the drake with ret war

dont hate

[mild thunder]

i can imagine it'll probably still be pretty big burst

[woeful solstice]

yeah i dont see it getting dumpstered

its still huge pressure

maybe no more gigaoneshot

and they dont know about {redacted}

[sharp meteor]

Probably won't have the chance to highroll people but

I imagine it'll still be a very solid chunk

[woeful solstice]

yep

[sharp meteor]

if it ends up being more consistently good

it could be better

lmao

[mild thunder]

yea well most people will mainstack haste now

so ig it's an indirect buff in a way

[woeful solstice]

wonder if UH DK will be good in s2

would love to run bleed war/uh dk tsg

[frail badge]

what does dfrs stand for?

[mild thunder]

ur fkn mom

lmao

[sharp meteor]

wtf owned

[mild thunder]

probably decent... they did get quite a few dmg buffs in the tail-end of the season and on ptr, plus they have some strong new pvp talents coming

so i could see uhdk being decent

[woeful solstice]

yeah im really interested in playing it

[mild thunder]

issue is getting them to play tsg instead of cringe dk/demo

[woeful solstice]

lmao

its time to bring the dk out of retirement

[mild thunder]

i have zero clue what he meant but im gonna assume he meant DRs

or he's a gigachad and was just setting you up for a yo mama joke

[frail badge]

ok thanks

lol

[tawny brook]

Gray=America

[frail badge]

prob hard to believe but ihe whole time to get 1800 thats the first got an insult/jab at

[tawny brook]

Grey=Europe

A E

[mild thunder]

gay=america
gey=europe

[woeful solstice]

hahahaha

[fresh valve]

fuark

beat me

[mild thunder]

[tawny brook]

This aoe skullsplittar build feels unstoppable

[vapid tartan]

So what’s gonna be giving warr the most issues in 10.1

[mild thunder]

as in, what specs will be top tier?

[vapid tartan]

Nah just like what’s hard for warr to play against that’s better now

[mild thunder]

bm

bm

bm

sv

bm

[vapid tartan]

So basically improve positioning ?

[woeful solstice]

wizards

my guess

[mild thunder]

bm has gotten the biggest buff heading into 10.1

[tawny brook]

Is ret better against casting than warr?

[woeful solstice]

yeah bm is gonna be terrifying

[fresh valve]

destro lock bb

[vapid tartan]

What things to practice to make playing against wizard easier?

[woeful solstice]

i want to run arms/destro/disc

[woeful solstice]

make their hp go 0

[mild thunder]

what buffs did destro get to compensate for the crit nerfs?

[tawny brook]

Will we likely go some mix of haste and mastery over crit after the changes?

[vapid tartan]

So will matches we play now still change our cr

Noticed I can still queue up

[tawny brook]

It changes the score

Still

[frail badge]

yeah i got into a queue as ratings went grey and i seaid screw it might as well play and i won and it changed

but it wont matter

for rewards i think

[mild thunder]

doubt - crit still interacts with our rage-gen and has higher value than for other specs

[vapid tartan]

Oh idc about rewards just wanna get the pve toon to 2.4

[mild thunder]

mastery is still a bottom-feeder stat

[frail badge]

also my season mount % did not change

for the sabretooth

[vapid tartan]

Sadge

galachad wats the logic behind the mast/haste build magnus was running?

[fresh valve]

Demo's losing instant dogs

[vapid tartan]

To stop demo crit curse?

[torpid roost]

Demo needs to get their kneecaps busted in

Fuck demo locks

[fresh valve]

any time demo has to cast locks'll mald

[mild thunder]

probably was versing a lock w/o a decurse on his team

[fresh valve]

destro chads got that instant dmg swag

[vapid tartan]

you can use dark iron racial or bitter immunity to get it off right

[torpid roost]

I stomp on most classes (including other warriors) but demo locks just have their way with my asshole

[frail badge]

well coming from a caster who mained mage since legion, casting sucks and is boring but can speak of pvp as i only played pve, as much as i loved that class fantasy of mage i got sick of standing still and casting

[mild thunder]

DI puts trinket on CD

and BI is a 3min cd

so they both suck

but yea you can

[frail badge]

its melee or hunter from hear on out

[vapid tartan]

I run bi as my oh shit button but my awareness is shit so

[torpid roost]

Dark iron puts trinket on cd? That's horseshit

[vapid tartan]

lol

[mild thunder]

it'd be busted as fuck if it didnt

[woeful solstice]

the ol 2v1

[torpid roost]

Let racials be op

[mild thunder]

delete racials

[torpid roost]

Just buff mine, don't nerf theirs

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, make nose absorb 20% hp.

[vapid tartan]

Are the numbers that show in your rank icon regionwide or server only?

[sharp meteor]

Shuffle is spec for region.

Other brackets it's region

[vapid tartan]

Ah cool

[fresh valve]

WoW needs more race wars

[vapid tartan]

What rank is considered like competent

to take for 3s

[sharp meteor]

Like if you're 2900 Arms and it's 150th then you're #150 Arms in NA (or EU) whereas if you're 2500 and 1900th in 3v3 then...yeah.

Shows number above 2400

[frail badge]

never take to much below your own or when you loose you will loose more rating then you normally would but i may be wrong

[mild thunder]

im thinking of going back to gnome next season... in the high event that it is bm meta, being able to break every second tar>steel combo is pre nice

[vapid tartan]

Yeah only thing xp I have is 2.4 shuffle, so only groups I can get into are yolo

Maybe lll just sit in lfg longer lol

[frail badge]

well yeah thats normal, in my exp no one wants or is willing to take a low rated player vs there own rating as it will tank there rating if they lose, also im not sure how much luck you will have finding people to play, the season just ended and there is no incentive to play right now in terms of rewards

[fresh valve]

just lie bro

theyre probably lying too

[vapid tartan]

Lol should I say 2.4xp and leave out the shuffle part

Cant hurt to try

[woeful solstice]

youll get checked

just be straight up

you wanna play with ppl that are chill anyways not fucking sweaty dorks that need you to have 2.4 from 5 years ago

"yo im 2.4 solos, looking to play some 3s and get better"

part of arena is the lfg "grind"

youll make friends

sometimes they will pass you up, other times youll pass them up in rating

[vapid tartan]

Yeah I’ve been doing that, had some games in yolo which were horrible but I played with a dude who used to be glad and he taught me a lot

[woeful solstice]

there you go

[vapid tartan]

What are some basics in 3s that you don’t learn In shuffle

[woeful solstice]

everything

look at arena like a game of chess

economically trading cooldowns

you want to have the higher efficiency trades

[green wyvern]

lfg is usually 80% waiting 20% playing

maybe even worse

[woeful solstice]

yep

but once you get that consistent group

youll just que

[green wyvern]

so if you wanna push glad be prepared to sit in lfg a lot

[vapid tartan]

like is there a site that talks about playing against specific comps, and game plans? I feel like I gotta improve how I position and who to target

[woeful solstice]

real talk dude its gonna take you a few seasons prob to get where you want to be

but thats the fun

[vapid tartan]

that’s fine I just want to get to that level eventuslly

[woeful solstice]

i might get some shit for this but skill-capped is decent to start

[green wyvern]

not really, it depends

[woeful solstice]

dont pay for it

just watch youtube

[green wyvern]

you just have to play a lot

[vapid tartan]

oh I’ve heard of skillcapped I should check it out

[undone pumice]

generally need to figure this shit out on your own via class knowledge

like

[woeful solstice]

some of their youtube content is good

dont watch the clickbait 2 min shit

watch like

[undone pumice]

rogue and mage have a lot of cc so banner prolly good

[woeful solstice]

addon guides, etc.

[vapid tartan]

I was in a lobby with a 2600 mage and he was just kiting the shit out of me

[woeful solstice]

im gonna be a contrarian here

banner is dogshit

nobody uses it well

[vapid tartan]

Like positioning is what I struggling with i thinj

[undone pumice]

i know banner is shit overall

but in theory banner would be good vs rmx

[green wyvern]

banner is bad

unless you play against shadowlands version of rmp

[undone pumice]

cc reduction good vs lots of medium length cc

[green wyvern]

banner has so many bugs

[woeful solstice]

banner is literally a fucking skillshot for warriors that requires you to have really solid grasp of game knowledge and timings

[green wyvern]

it doesnt work half the time

[vapid tartan]

Is banner ever worth against balance Druid?

[woeful solstice]

i dont recommend it

[green wyvern]

No

[undone pumice]

ok diff example

[green wyvern]

play full damage

[undone pumice]

double melee, so disarm good

unless WW

and surv(?)

[green wyvern]

well they nerfed warbringer for s2 so idk what you take in place of that

[woeful solstice]

storm

demolition into lock/monk/hpal

[vapid tartan]

also against something like mm/bm+demo would I drop warbringer for demolition? Find myself taking sharpen disarm and swapping warbringer

[woeful solstice]

can take mnc

[undone pumice]

death sentence

[woeful solstice]

duel

warrior really has a great honor talent kit

[undone pumice]

demolition + wrecking throw FUCKS absorb heavy stuff

[woeful solstice]

yeah i love that combo

nobody expects it

[undone pumice]

like monks get fucking owned if they dont have stacks for their thing

idk the actual name

green testicle

[vapid tartan]

Also, in the opening 30secs of the round is it good to pop cs+roar at the beginning even if people walk just to get it on Cd

Wall*

[green wyvern]

I dont think you take warbringer in s2

[undone pumice]

if u have to wall, wall

[woeful solstice]

what did they do to wb

im out of the loop

[green wyvern]

why would people wall before you use cds

[mild thunder]

good

shit talent

never should have been in the game

[undone pumice]

idk either havent played in months

[vapid tartan]

I mean like say I smash and they wall

Should I drop the troar anyway

[undone pumice]

probably not

[green wyvern]

that just means they are bad

[undone pumice]

unless ur confident u can kill thru

seeing as most walls have more than ~30 sec cd id hold it and kill them in next storm bolt

[vapid tartan]

and if they don’t wall or cc it’s okay to just bolt heal and continue with ava roar sks etc?

[green wyvern]

if they walled like that I would just make a hard swap on a target that didnt use defensive cds

[mild thunder]

^

[vapid tartan]

ah got it

[green wyvern]

lets say you play ret war, your ret pops wings and enemy dps players use defensive cds, what you do then is insta charge + bolt enemy healer

[undone pumice]

youre playing retwar

[green wyvern]

and burst him

[undone pumice]

you dont have children (ever)

[fresh valve]

sumwuns pnut butter n jelly

[undone pumice]

mmm

[vapid tartan]

When playing against double ret do I just sit the first to bubble, and try and get the bop?

[undone pumice]

if ur mate is also melee id say so

[green wyvern]

just survive their go