pvp

[muted surge]

healer going 0:6

i love shuffle

[quasi lotus]

played with him earlier, he's a fucking angry mongo

he types "healers can't 1v3 carry , watch where we are ffs" when he's 0-4 vs another priest

[muted surge]

always the french

[tawny brook]

💯

[muted surge]

whats that matchmaking tho

1 heal was complete garbage, consdiering he was 400 rating below the other kek

[nimble prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEod4g1DcSU&t=8s

[iron fractal]

Does shattering throw work against hunters?

[muted surge]

no

turtle deflects damage

[obsidian loom]

2100 discs are the absolute worst subhumans in shuffle currently

I can't tell you how many domes on air in Narnia I've seen and dying while the priest tries to cast mindblast

[muted surge]

but

MS was too spikey ?

also, reflecting a 300k hit only doing 50k is a fucking joke

especially considering i had the reflect pvp talent

[worthy fern]

Why do you think it was a 300k hit

[muted surge]

bcs appearntly they have 3 buffs

which you all need to interrupt so you dont get onetapped

[sharp meteor]

Rebound and hitting an Ele with a 150k earth shock

[quasi lotus]

every cd in the game popped in the opener and they're trying to get their schism light/shadow shit rolling instead of immediately doming the burst

[graceful ginkgo]

Maybe you need to play a healer

[stark reef]

What are the best kicks for warlocks?

I feel like sometimes I kick Incinerate and then the guy just starts spamming Chaos Bolt. Do I hold kick for key stuff or just kick when I can?

[muted surge]

destro or in general

[stark reef]

I'd say in general

But destro even more

Since Demo I just kick whatever I can, fear tyrannt, kill obelisk

But I know both specs have access to Shadowfury

Which I'd pref to not go off all the time

[quasi lotus]

bladestorm at end of cast

[worthy fern]

@stark reef destro it’s tough because 3 schools

[stark reef]

I see

[worthy fern]

I would prob never kick fire though

[muted surge]

what do they even cast

only chaos incin shadowfury no ?

[worthy fern]

Fear is shadow

[muted surge]

fear seems the best for demo and destro

[worthy fern]

Fear incin chaos bolt

[muted surge]

and life / sould drain on aff

[worthy fern]

If you kick fear and don’t have reflect can be taking 2-3 bolts to the face but if you get feared without zerk you can also take bolts to the face

Situational

[muted surge]

isnt fear interrupt not more about the healer

then yourself

[obsidian loom]

i play hpal so dont at me with that bullshit

[muted surge]

the ez heal

[obsidian loom]

i fully understand healing is spinning plates and mouthbreathing dps but discs are a special flavor of brain damage

[muted surge]

comapredto disc :<

[wooden grove]

Hpal died in s1 SL for me. Flash of light changes were garbage

[obsidian loom]

im guessing theyre going to rework hpal into melee wings healer like fistweaver

they could never get it right so we'll see

forbearance cross-debuff with ret needs to go, some vanilla vestige

[worthy fern]

@muted surge can get feared into bolt into stun into bolt

[wooden grove]

Cross debuff is so bad

[worthy fern]

Coil into fear into infernal stun bolts etc

I just noticed they are buffing dh fel lance to 10 percent of max health per hit

[obsidian loom]

micro cc is insane in current warlock meta, im glad they changed it in 10.1

[worthy fern]

Idk if anyone remembers when I’m bfa if you didn’t line rain from above you would die in like 3-4 seconds

[wooden grove]

Warlocks microing like that and some warriors still can’t storm bolt into fear a healer that’s down trinket

[sharp meteor]

ya so they had a lot of haste then

and hp pools were super high

so % based stuff hurt

[muted surge]

but its refelctable, taht was fun :)

[stark reef]

Games today so brutally inconsistent, jesus christ - people not using Link in a 3min game, frost mage dying in opener with no CD's used, what is going on?

3min game shaman didn't use earthen or link - are these people even real?

[muted surge]

shuffle :)

[stark reef]

First two lobbies were brutal

Absolutely brutal - I don't mind losing a game where people actually play but to see this shit after these queues is just infuriating

[worthy fern]

@sharp meteor it’s still a pretty fast cast right now I think

Could easily get 5 off quickly

[sharp meteor]

dmg is higher relative to hp now tho

in bfa we all had pool noodles so fel lance and gpyro hit really hard

cos we had infinite hp

[worthy fern]

That is true

[quick carbon]

highest priority for kicks

r obv chaos bolt

for destro

hand of guldan for demo

kicking fears on ur healer also high pri

also kicking tyrant

is good

nothing else for demo demands an interrupt

[stark reef]

Perfect, ty!

[quick carbon]

kicking summon vilefiend

trash

kicking shadow bolt

also trash

kicking fears on u

trash

[stark reef]

Perfect, yeah, I felt like some of those didn’t matter

[muted surge]

What does the vilefiend do?

Just some damage pet?

[exotic storm]

Shadow flame stuff matters. Like Gul Dan

Kick Guldan 100% if they just dropped nether portal

[quick carbon]

guldan locks them on everything

if u kick it

thats why uu kick it

[lean burrow]

My broskis

In retwar if i got stun but my ret's stun is on cd, do i have to wait for his stun?

[wooden grove]

Depends but cross stuns near guarantees a trinket or defensive in general

[lean burrow]

or they use defensive right before a stun and now can't kill them ( )

ty

i think i'm supposed to just try to kill different dps but if enemies are casters there's nobody else to hit but the guy with defensive

[iron fractal]

Anyone know how or why some ( a lot ) people just phase out and disappear when you fight them in wpvp? Especially happens if they’re about to die..

Even when they’re the ones who attack me, as soon as it’s clear they’re going to die their character just insta-poofs.

[muted surge]

rogues?

[iron fractal]

No, I know they have vanish. And you can see if they use vanish. This is any class at all, who just.. instantly phases out mid-combat

Feels like a strange coincidence if that many people has a summon ready to bail.. if you can even accept summons if you’re in combat?

[sharp meteor]

queue pop

-dabs-

[iron fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/cable-guy-the-cable-guy-jim-carrey-mace-come-back-here-gif-21350862

[muted surge]

You can

But I think it’s just server shit

[iron fractal]

Even in the middle of the dedicated pvp zones? Shit phasing in that case

[muted surge]

If they join a party

It phases them as well

Might just be in lfg

[iron fractal]

I think I lose like 3/10 of my kills to that

[red igloo]

sheesh

[teal hedge]

I've hit em for 170k 😎

[red igloo]

wtf

give me the sauce

[teal hedge]

Fataility

I did have some screenshot of the biggest burst on planet earth

But I've lost em

I think the exec did around 110k damage and Fatal mark hit for 60k

[muted surge]

So still less then an instant from a caster

[teal hedge]

Real

I had to hit this man with so many mortal strikes

In order to get that fatality

But I've dropped to 1678 cr

THis shit so miserable

[red igloo]

First time i win all 6 rounds

[muted surge]

[stark reef]

Do you guys ever kill earthen wall totem?

That one is super tanky

Took me 4 globals

Seemed terrible

[zinc flare]

Trying to best prepare for season 2. I'm still new to the pvp scene, and was wondering about the currency carry overs and was wondering if the conquest boxes you can buy with random gear carry over if they are unopened

[stark reef]

They’d probably yield old gear though, would they?

[zinc flare]

That's what I was thinking

[muted surge]

Considering people don’t stay in it anyway, no

[stark reef]

Or cast it

[muted surge]

And it has 90k hp or so, doable but idk, doesn’t seem worth

That said, I’m hardstuck

[muted surge]

Don’t they say season 1

[stark reef]

I’m hardstuck in volatility

1970 to 2150 today

[muted surge]

2000 to 2150 today 👍

Plan for tomorrow is to go back to 1800

[stark reef]

Sounds good

Priest used dome 2 out of 5 rounds, I am 3/2, tell him, please use dome

He uses it but it’s somewhere in the middle of nowhere and nobody inside

3/3

🤝

[dark sparrow]

Nope, if they are unopened they turn into grey items to vendor, can’t open anymore for s1 gear

At least it was like that in SL

[muted surge]

@stark reef do you win vs aff?

Everytime I face one they go 6:0

[zinc flare]

OK thank you very much....and I'm assuming the best option for a better start is to be honor capped when the season starts to buy the new set of gear?

[muted surge]

Yea, unless they reset it as well

But getting honor cap is fast anyway

[stark reef]

Yeah, destro and affl feel easier except for the occasional one

Usually happy if I see lock that isn’t demo

[muted surge]

What

Demo is so free kek

[magic wing]

Demo is pure cancer

[muted surge]

Why

All their burst comes from the crystal and tyrant

Which is a non issue for war

[stark reef]

I feel like if I don’t kill demo early the game is lost

And they’re super tanky

[muted surge]

Nah like

[stark reef]

God forbid they play with a team-mate with cc like mage or hunter

[muted surge]

They got 1 def yea

During that you switch

Keep sharpen for 40%

Bcs then they use hearthstone

If you struggle, play the menance talent

[stark reef]

Yeah, I definitely don’t think im optimizing my damage vs locks - just paranoid he’s gonna drop obelisk somewhere in Timbuktu and I can’t find it

[muted surge]

It has a 20 yd range

Which isn’t much

[stark reef]

I just feel like someone isn’t gonna move

Usually the ret on my team

And just rank the full thing

[hushed plank]

1 fear = whole demo lock burst gone

[stark reef]

My best strat is always just train lock all game, kill obelisk, fear tyrannt

Thinking to try sks into locks again since a lot now just stand and cast

[muted surge]

I usually interrupt tyrant

Then fear

[stark reef]

Yeah, it’s doable but def the worst of the 3

[muted surge]

Nah

No way

Aff is so much stronger atm

[stark reef]

Maybe I haven’t run into it

[muted surge]

Or I play wrong against them

[stark reef]

The ones I see usually die fast

[muted surge]

The rot is real, no heal could keep up sofar

Can’t even peel bcs they don’t cast

[stark reef]

I feel like the fact that you can usually run unhinged into them helps a ton

[dark sparrow]

Yes, honor won’t get reset

[zinc flare]

Awesome tyvm for the help

[toxic valley]

Hey, why is it when I look at all the guides for PvP the stats say Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery
But all the top arms warriors have more Haste than Crit

Is it just a soft cap on Crit?

[stark reef]

Definitely not an expert on this - only thing I know is that from a game theory perspective haste will give you greater consistency which is everything at the highest level as it is a lot harder to catch people off guard.

Other plausible options are the sks build and the popularity of warlocks but these are all guesses.

But yeah, def looks like top 5 is heavy haste.

[sage raptor]

But that's just a theory

[stark reef]

Magnusz had a video explaining stats relative to rank for a previous season - I don’t think much has changed.

[sage raptor]

A game theory

[stark reef]

The choice of trinkets are on the same train of thought though. High rated wars take the proc based trinket because they provide the most consistent damage boost over several matches.

[scarlet barn]

Thanks for watching

[bright sluice]

any thoughts on whats a better enchant for fury pvp, Frozen dev, or Sophic dev?

[tawny brook]

Sophic

Emblem or badge for human fury?

[stark reef]

I think as long as you get away with synching badge with your CDs without getting overly punished you should use the active trinket.

But the higher you go the better emblem becomes - at least that’s what the ladder says.

[tawny brook]

Thanks a bunch. Im loving fury

[stark reef]

4/0 vs rets today using duel & disarm

[unique fox]

Goddamn 3s gets sweaty at 2.2

Must press on

[teal hedge]

I wanna hit da rets wit da

[fresh valve]

no difference between 2.2 and 2.4 tbh

[unique fox]

Yeah seems to be lots of glads/r1s all over the place, just gotta tighten up the gameplay

[rich sleet]

Like fury but god damn its damage feels lackluster

[fresh valve]

2.6 is where you meet the real gamers

[unique fox]

Pretty much only struggled into bm hunters, frost DKs and some FW comps giving us trouble (playing ret/war/disc)

[old trail]

noooo

my first match going 3-3 and getting 0 rating

1734, so close to 1800

[teal hedge]

What I've noticed from watching the miestro play is that knowledge of the other classes is crucial for success

Might be why I lose seemingly free games

Because they do something I do not recognise, and I react unaccordingly.

[stark reef]

Yeah, I think you can just play your class to 2100 area but then you have to start learning the rest

That's my experience at least

[torpid roost]

As a gigachad rated player 10 years ago and a garbage can now, I can identify with this feel

I'd say they need to make the visual design language of arena a little clearer but, that horse is already beaten into glue

[old trail]

ah

a priest that doesnt life swap

nice

[fresh valve]

yea it sucks

[sharp meteor]

It is certainly helpful

[mild thunder]

the fact that something like sArena or omnibar has never been implemented into the base game is proof of how much blizzard doesnt care about arena

[woeful solstice]

demo/ret/fist

why

does this comp exist

[tawny brook]

What addons should I use

I feel like ive capped out at 1840

[stark reef]

GladiatorlosSA is the big one for me

That with Bajheera addon guide should get you all set up - I use different UI but his is a lot cleaner

Combining GladiatorlosSA with https://gitgudgaming.gg really helps you speedrun learning key enemy abilities

[mild thunder]

gladiatorlossa is cringe

[woeful solstice]

omnibar/gladiusEX, WA, omnicd, details

[woeful solstice]

agree

[mild thunder]

just use sArena and omnibar

[stark reef]

bitch you're cringe

[woeful solstice]

get mes WA Pack

all u need

i swear

[mild thunder]

triggered already?

[stark reef]

Do I ever strike you as not triggered?

[scarlet sorrel]

Gladiatorlosa is so annoying. Without knowing the game it will voice EVERYTHING

which is not the best

[stark reef]

But that's how you learn the game

[scarlet sorrel]

There is no need to know about some cds

[mild thunder]

that's not teaching you the game

that's a crutch

[stark reef]

So uncheck them in the options

[scarlet sorrel]

Yes

[stark reef]

A crutch

🤣

[scarlet sorrel]

How do you know of you are new

[mild thunder]

it teaches you to not be aware because you're letting an addon scream at you instead

[stark reef]

ethic gaming over here

[mild thunder]

focus on addons that help you play the game, not addons that play the game for you

[scarlet sorrel]

Omnibar and gladius is plenty

[mild thunder]

sArena >>>>> gladius

[scarlet sorrel]

Big debuffs or flyplate is great too

Sarena is great as well

[mild thunder]

Diminish is pretty important as well

[scarlet sorrel]

sArena has diminish built in ye?

[mild thunder]

i use Diminish to track mine and my teams' DR

[scarlet sorrel]

Oh sure ye! Makes sense

[woeful solstice]

IF YOU USE LOSSA

strip it down

[mild thunder]

very handy for intervening as your teammate comes off DR

[woeful solstice]

toi like 5-6 things you are STRUGGLING to catch

dont run default

[scarlet sorrel]

If someone is new lossa its hard to know what to turn off

[mild thunder]

i genuinely would never recommend lossa to anyone

either you wont know how to use it because you'll be overloaded with info, or you're getting good enough to not need it at all

also fucks with your ability to listen to actual in-game audio queues

[woeful solstice]

agree

you are better off setting up WAs

with little sound notifications

for key things you need to make plays on

youll pavlov yourself into reacting

it's great

mes WA pack is great example

[mild thunder]

but yea sArena/Gladius, OmniBar, AdvancedInterfaceOptions are all pretty mandatory, i would say WeakAuras and Details are extremely important and stuff like Diminish, BigDebuffs, NameplateCooldowns, OmniCD etc. are all very handy

and while they're not particularly important for gameplay, both RETab and REFlex are extremely helpful

spend an hour or two going through the addons, setting them up, organising your UI etc. to make sure there aren't a billion things overlapping and if you need help with any of them just ask

the reason AdvancedInterfaceOptions is mandatory is to toggle nameplates for minions so you're not completely overloaded by demo, uhdk or bm pets, and to toggle parry/dodge notifications so you know if you have parried something important like a kidney shot

[stark reef]

2023 and these fossils think GladiatorlosSA is unethical

Fkn get me out

"Oh no, you must play the game the way I like it."

[vapid tartan]

I just use lossa for wpvp to find people

lol

[mild thunder]

bro who the fuck is talking about ethics?

[vapid tartan]

What are important abilities to listen to?

Do u mean like when someone’s out of fov

also is it dumb to try and fear everyone and kill healer when a priest life swaps

[mild thunder]

there are a fair few abilities with distinct audio queues... sweeping, sharpen, cs/warbreaker, TRoar are pretty distinct if you're versing other arms warriors, mindgames is pretty easy to distinguish and then stuff like bloodlust, asc procs etc

[vapid tartan]

What is asc?

[mild thunder]

ascendance

[stark reef]

“Brother instead of an addon that calls out ability get an addon that displays the cd of an ability but you also need to know every icon of every class ability.”

Absolute dogshit advice as per usual from the conductor of the cope-train

🤝

[vapid tartan]

Lol ngl this is an issue for me hard to remember all the icons

[mild thunder]

jesus dude, it's too early for someone to be this triggered because we said lossa isn't a good addon

[vapid tartan]

Just gotta learn more I guess

[mild thunder]

touch grass fr

[vapid tartan]

It’s 9pm

are you eu

[mild thunder]

any time of day is too early to be this triggered

[stark reef]

You have to understand that Gala doesn’t want you to improve, he uses this channel to cope about the fact that he plays this game for years and is still a casual by every metric so he’ll tell you random stuff that will have you stuck at 1700 regardless unless you’re playing 5 years like him.

Omnibar is a useless addon for new players because who the fuck knows all the icons?

Yeah, use Omnibar at 1500

[mild thunder]

damn, roxi's brain really is broken today

[vapid tartan]

I mean tbf u can pve to 1800 with no addons

[stark reef]

The other day you told a guy in 1700 to unslot Pain & Gain

🤣🤣🤣

Like that makes any difference at that rating

Daily grandstanding & Gatekeeping

[mild thunder]

are you getting mixed up because i said PnG was probably a dead node next season?

is that what this is all about?

[old trail]

priests not life swapping

is cringe

[vapid tartan]

Wat I don’t understand tho is why u hate sharpened blades gala

lul

[mild thunder]

i dont hate it, it's just poopoo

+5% crit dmg, oooooohh

[vapid tartan]

But +10 for execute rifht

[mild thunder]

the crit dmg part is nerfed by 50% in pvp

[vapid tartan]

Wait fr

Bruh

Time to rethink my decisions

[mild thunder]

there is a database somewhere of all pvp-specific tuning

pretty handy site

[vapid tartan]

So +5% crit dam and +2.5% exe chance

[mild thunder]

the exe chance isn't nerfed iirc

https://drustvar.com/pvp-spells

[fresh valve]

shuffle andies talkin shit

[stark reef]

Oh, it’s mr. Tax the rich

[fresh valve]

u link skillcapped vids daily u dork

[vapid tartan]

ooh thats a handy site

ur right

i will study this

[fresh valve]

bet he paid them a sub to get 500 more rating in shuffle

[stark reef]

You can’t afford $18/month? Probably shouldn’t be playing games then.

It’s free on YouTube my guy

[lean burrow]

I bought skillcapped sub yesterday

[vapid tartan]

this is what i run now, i guess i could swap sb to eb not sure how i could compare the damage

[fresh valve]

u play 3's he doesnt

[vapid tartan]

also question about sks, if theres a plate dps on the other team but they arent kill target do you still run sks?

[mild thunder]

eb is also incredibly mediocre imo... esp if you're running the bleed build, you dont lack for GCDs without it

[stark reef]

Also, here is a number for you: the combined networth of all US billionaires is ~5 trillion and the US government spends ~7 trillion/year.

Your armchair tax-reform would pay for 9 months at the cost of an economic catastrophe.

@fresh valve

[mild thunder]

but yea it is a lot of preference

[vapid tartan]

like say its something like a mage or hunter that u might not be able to get gcds on im thinking regular bleed could be easier?

[fresh valve]

bro u get your info from tweets

[stark reef]

[mild thunder]

spear always nice into stuff like that, unless they have a disc priest

never run spear into disc, they just dome it

[stark reef]

Are you sitting on my lap during the day to know where I get my info?

Or even better - is this incorrect?

[fresh valve]

I bet you'd love my fat juicy ass on your lap

[mild thunder]

wait @stark reef i thought you were already in trouble for letting too many little kids sit on your lap

[stark reef]

I’m married, thanks for the offer.

[fresh valve]

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[fresh valve]

[stark reef]

Is it wrong guys?

Or are you just coping a bit more now?

[mild thunder]

is what wrong?

im so confused, you've been saying so much random, retarded shit today

[stark reef]

The numbers I gave our STASI commander in chief

[vapid tartan]

joe biden?

[fresh valve]

bitch u brag about shuffle rating like a kid bragging about A's in kindergarten

[stark reef]

Bitch you asked for numbers, I gave you numbers and now you’re running in circles like a turbo-cuck.

[fresh valve]

go play 3's like a real pvper

[stark reef]

🤣🤣🤣

I’d rather nail my ballsack to concrete than hear someone like you in voice-comms, trust me.

[fresh valve]

keep feeling cool in the scrub bracket then lmfao

[stark reef]

You’re gonna address the numbers or no?

[fresh valve]

idgaf lol

[stark reef]

Like I said, turbo-cuck.

[fresh valve]

give that 5trill to the gov

[stark reef]

Talking all night about his great plans and how stupid everyone is, then people give him the facts and he’s all “it’s just a prank bro.”

[fresh valve]

instead of child-fucking billionaires

what facts u even give

all u said was "bad ting gon happen"

[stark reef]

@fresh valve

[fresh valve]

so far I hear u putting out random numbers with no evidence

[stark reef]

Good lord

[fresh valve]

also the US govt should cut their military spending

biggest waste of taxpayers money

900 military bases we dont fuckin need

[mild thunder]

you're kinda just asserting that there would be an economic catastrophe without any actual evidence when that is what the "debate" is over

I also highly doubt that raoul is pushing for the government to abolish all non-income taxes

[fresh valve]

pentagon failing 6 audits in row

[stark reef]

I don’t know why I am even discussing the economy with a guy that thinks telling someone they bought a $18/month sub is a gatcha-moment.

Good night brotherman.

[mild thunder]

iirc income tax makes up a fairly small amount of annual revenue

[fresh valve]

the only gatcha was the fact you brag about your free shuffle rating

[fresh valve]

all I said was to tax the rich at the same rate we did in the 50's and 60's

[mild thunder]

sam seder listener

[fresh valve]

reduce the tax burden on the middle/lower class

[stark reef]

🤣🤣🤣

[mild thunder]

the 80-90% post-ww2 stuff probably wouldn't work today, but yea your US has some fucked up tax code and brackets for the rich

[fresh valve]

why would it not lmao

[mild thunder]

are you familiar with the Laffer curve?

i think im spelling that right

[fresh valve]

what of it

its not an end all be all for how economies should function

[mild thunder]

it's a theoretical economic concept that there's an optimal tax bracket where if you go any higher, you're de-incentivising people from pushing to earn higher incomes, and if you go any lower you're fucking the economy... 80-80% is probably too far above the laffer curve and would create some weird mal-incentives around higher-income earning

[mild thunder]

no econ policy is hard or rigid, it's not a hard science

that's why i specify that it's theoretical

[fresh valve]

ok cool

[mild thunder]

before the US even attempts to fix its tax brackets though, it needs to fix the fucked up tax loopholes

[fresh valve]

like Ive said previously there's a point where money becomes just a number

what do these fuckers do with that money

gamble it or hoard it for their inbred children

[mild thunder]

depends on what bracket you're talking about... im not sure if you're a sam seder guy but iirc he called for the 90% bracket to start at $3M - that is way too low

[fresh valve]

sam seder's a smart dude

[mild thunder]

he is, but that particular suggestion was dumb

[fresh valve]

nobody needs more money than that

[mild thunder]

but ive also never really seen him have a real, intelligent conversation with constructive pushback on those ideas

[mild thunder]

people should also be able to provide for more than just their needs

[fresh valve]

so make enough money that they can buy our education?

lobby politicians?

having money in that range is literal power

[mild thunder]

people with $3M do not have that kind of potential

that's the hundreds of millions

[fresh valve]

well idk about 3m

could raise that number

[mild thunder]

well that's the number that Sam Seder specifically mentioned... if you want to raise it higher than that (i.e. to $300M) that's a more intelligent conversation

[fresh valve]

lets be real though do they really need that money

[mild thunder]

but as i said earlier, there is still zero political will for that kind of action, so instead it ends up a leftie/socialist circle-jerk idea

[mild thunder]

no, but idgaf what people need because people should be capable of pursuing means of accessing their desires as well

[fresh valve]

nah not at the expense of others

top 1% has 90% of the money supply

[mild thunder]

redistributive wealth schemes are good ideas - they do not require tax brackets that you're talking about

aus has one of the best welfare systems in the western world and our taxes cap off at around 41-45% iirc

[fresh valve]

when the other 99% cant buy shit the govt just prints more fuckin money

[mild thunder]

and free healthcare

[fresh valve]

aus govt also firebombs your house if u talk mad shit

[mild thunder]

conspiracy theory

[fresh valve]

that shit's still really fuckin sus

[mild thunder]

friendlyjordies isn't exactly a likeable person lmao, he's pissed off a lot more people than just john barilaro

jumping to the assumption that it was the aus government orchestrating a domestic attack is so fucking brainrotted

[fresh valve]

I mean nothings concrete but throwing the idea of govt involvement out would be naive

[lean burrow]

do you guys track this?

no weakauras for this

no debuffs

no way to see if I'm getting assfucked by this

[mild thunder]

assuming anything without evidence is stupid

i never said it couldn't be the government, i said assuming it is with LITERALLY NOTHING to go on is brainrotted

[fresh valve]

who else would want him dead lol

some random schizo?

random schizo's could be useful

[mild thunder]

dude there are tons of crazy fucking people out there that send death threats/attempt crazy shit with famous people all the time

there are whole websites of crazy weirdos dedicated to making content creators' lives a living hell

[fresh valve]

friendlyjordie's doesnt have enough clout for that tbh

if anyone's pissed at him it'd be the people he's calling out

[mild thunder]

he is significantly more famous than people that have had just as outrageous attacks on them

to be clear as well, john barilaro was NOT a member of the aus government when jordan was attacked

so even if john barilaro, criminal mastermind, orchestrated a firebombing of jordan, that would not be "the aus governement firebombs its citizens"

[fresh valve]

so do u think the MLK conspiracies are invalid then?

[mild thunder]

i dont know, i dont care and i havent looked into them

[fresh valve]

Israel's killed plenty of journalists

anytime a journalist is "randomly killed" its fucking sus

[mild thunder]

im not saying governments cant do fucked up stuff, im talking about one particular incident you brought up lmao

[fresh valve]

sometimes occams razor is valid lol

[mild thunder]

occams razor would not dictate assuming that there are national and international conspiracies to murder civilians and somehow that those secrets are kept hidden in governments that contain hundreds and thousands of people in the age of surveillance and technology we live in today

[lean burrow]

am I dumb, how do demo locks have two axe tosses?

[fresh valve]

grimoire felguard

[mild thunder]

axe toss + call felguard CD

[old trail]

played for 6 hours today and gained 0 rating

ama

[fresh valve]

git gud

[lean burrow]

it uses same icon for both?

ty bois

[mild thunder]

at least you didnt lose rating

[old trail]

6 hours of healers going 6-0 while the dps go 3-3

So many fucking

fistweaving monks

and priests that dont know swap

[rich sleet]

Well a person or group tries to subvert the established order inside organizations will do what they can to "silence them"

[sharp meteor]

Skullsplitter is quite the button.

Also saw some guy get 195k ele blasted into like a 120k lava lash earlier.

[mild thunder]

Enh is so much fun

[mild thunder]

I’ve also seen sundering hit for 130k

[rich sleet]

left alone they can do some neat damage

[tawny brook]

Is frost mage good currently? I am getting plowed by them every time

[tawny brook]

Coming back to see this in chat is hilarious. Too much fun in here

[idle falcon]

yeah xd

[mild thunder]

I just wanted to help someone with their addons man

[rich sleet]

It's what keeps us sort of sane

[tawny brook]

You helped me with them. Thank you

[mild thunder]

[woeful solstice]

Ok now I’m quitting this forsaken game cya

[idle falcon]

flex

ngl if i had friends i prolly would've gotten far in 3v3's

not that far though

gz anyways

:D

[clever fern]

Not a glad mount, but my first Elite since I started playing pvp seriously. Now I can rest and touch some grass

[rich sleet]

nothing won't change. Just eventually be the stupid path its always been on

[idle falcon]

i highly doubt u will touch grass

[clever fern]

My man, after facing so many hunter, rets, Demos and frost mages, I'll take a break till new patch lol

[idle falcon]

i already reached my goal this season

[lean burrow]

giga powerful

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frog-flip-im-out-frog-dip-cya-gif-22415297

[woeful solstice]

I’m not proud of how I did it

[woeful solstice]

(Ret/war)

[idle falcon]

boosted?

[woeful solstice]

lol no

[idle falcon]

oh

[woeful solstice]

Irl buddy ret

[lean burrow]

did you use your giga build?

[woeful solstice]

He knew a few healers and we ran it hard for a few weeks

[lean burrow]

with sks thunder clap

[woeful solstice]

Yes

Exactly

[lean burrow]

every game?

[woeful solstice]

Yep

[lean burrow]

or only high uptime

[woeful solstice]

Minimal tweaks

Dropped unhinged into pet games

[lean burrow]

every comp?

[woeful solstice]

Yep

Sks is legit the best build

[lean burrow]

giga flex

[woeful solstice]

Depends on your comp tho imo

[idle falcon]

can u link your build?

[woeful solstice]

Me brain smol so we just did big dam dam every 45s

Yeah sec

[lean burrow]

how do you use sks with blademasters?

it's so awkward, either it's delayed after bladestorming, or it's sks without avatar buff

[woeful solstice]

Disclaimer this may not be the best build but it worked for me

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWCJRSSSSalSSAAAAABRiAJQRENKJJSSoIRQAQkAAAAAAAAQiSCCABEA

Some people think I’m an idiot for dropping fatality

[lean burrow]

it's gladiator build

[idle falcon]

yes

xd

[lean burrow]

already better than this channel

[idle falcon]

loool

[woeful solstice]

Lol I was the weak link on my team bro

Don’t get it twisted

[idle falcon]

so got carried?

[woeful solstice]

Nah I’m not that bad

[lean burrow]

what was hardest range?

2400?

[woeful solstice]

It’s my first season just playing nothing but warrior, rolling multiple warriors, spamming games at all brackets

[idle falcon]

wait

[woeful solstice]

Honestly the 2.1k range in lfg made me want to quit

[idle falcon]

you use thunderclap?!

[woeful solstice]

Yes

[idle falcon]

do u use it instead of rend?

[woeful solstice]

Ya

[lean burrow]

how do you burst?

[idle falcon]

what pvp talents u use

other than sharpen blade

[woeful solstice]

War breaker -> sharpen -> mortal -> t clap -> SS SKS

[woeful solstice]

Storm / disarm / warbringer / deva + sharpen

I’d run deva with shatter into lock/hpal/x

So I can usually shatter both bops

Tried banner but im bad with it

So stopped using it

[idle falcon]

same

[lean burrow]

so you sks without avatar?

[idle falcon]

so sharpen + warbringer

[lean burrow]

then roar-avatar?

[idle falcon]

and disarm/demo/storm

depending on comp?

[woeful solstice]

Oh I was just talking about my mini SKS go every 45s

True open includes avatar and roar

That SKS go can land you 150k burst 2x targets if you’re clean with it

[idle falcon]

so true opener is?

[woeful solstice]

Avatar -> wb -> roar then the rest

It’s situational tho cause like

Sometimes you gotta parry vene immediately

[lean burrow]

ty

[woeful solstice]

Especially into mirror

So you cancel bladestorm

[idle falcon]

cant i just pre-sharpen?

or cause avatar will soak it?

[unique fox]

SKS thunderclap does fucking own

[woeful solstice]

I mean you can pre sharpen but it’s telegraphed

[woeful solstice]

Best build

Has some clunk

Once you get over it, pure pump

[idle falcon]

ngl didnt think about it

since thunderclap is 20% slow

[woeful solstice]

Meh not using it for the slow

Just easy rend spread

[unique fox]

Yeah its good but kinda getting fucked on the go a lot

[woeful solstice]

What comp are you running

[unique fox]

Ret War Disc

[idle falcon]

fatality kinda sucks ngl

[unique fox]

Skullspliter dark arch is some funny ass shit

[woeful solstice]

You getting PI or is your ret?

[unique fox]

Ret is

Maybe I should be instead with troar

[woeful solstice]

Yeah was gonna say makes more sense for ret to get it

Sks burst doesn’t need the haste

Dark arch tho

[unique fox]

Yeah thats waht I thought

[woeful solstice]

[unique fox]

Yeah man it's hilarious

[woeful solstice]

Easy 200k

Prob more

[unique fox]

We strugged a bit tonight into some comps at 2.2

[woeful solstice]

What comps are you stuck on

I had problems with mage / lock a lot

[unique fox]

This was as soon as I started using it

lol

[woeful solstice]

LOL

[unique fox]

Yeah buddy

[idle falcon]

anyone wanna inv me to teir 3v3 group next season? xd

[unique fox]

With an lfg ret

[woeful solstice]

Yeah mine looked same from 2.2 to 2.4

[unique fox]

no voice

[woeful solstice]

Just start now

[unique fox]

and an alt ret not even a real onw

[idle falcon]

i have no friends

[woeful solstice]

I regret quitting for a lot of shadowlands cause I probably would have a better network and skills rn

[woeful solstice]

Make some

[unique fox]

Destro and demo locks actually give us some trouble, destro moreso

[idle falcon]

how

;-;

[unique fox]

Destro assa kinda farmed us, hunters too

[woeful solstice]

https://gitgudgaming.gg/guides/gladiator-guide

Read this

[unique fox]

Normally I smash hunters but this guy seemed afraid to run at them

[woeful solstice]

Internalize that

It’s very accurate

[unique fox]

I forced my IRL friend to start playing again

Bought his sub with gold to twist his arm

also lost lots of games today from playing fried and im somewhat trash

easy to throw

@woeful solstice do you use blademasters or warlords?

[woeful solstice]

mostly blade but sometimes warlord

if theres a game you can get value out of bladestorm then take it

remember it allows you to bladestorm OFF the gcd

when you ava

you can immune a lot of shit

[unique fox]

yeah I've been using that to great effect

warbringer insta av

we were just standing and manfighting ret war fw and winning handily

with the tclap rend

[idle falcon]

wait no imp execute in the build?

[woeful solstice]

Like I said I had some weird choices haha

[idle falcon]

i need imp execute though xd

what should i swap

ah feuled by violence

ok build is perfect now

[fresh valve]

eh idk people who play this game are kinda autistic

[idle falcon]

i won 3 rounds and got 100 rating

i guess

xd

still my rotation is kinda mid

skullsplitter should make thunderous roar bleed also expire instantly, change my mind

[woeful solstice]

No you want that lol

It self heals huge

When you sks

It’s like 50-60% of what ignore pain does lol

[unique fox]

yeah its like a 70k heal

[idle falcon]

hmm

then

no improved exe?

[unique fox]

skiggs did you use exhilirating blows?

[idle falcon]

he did

[woeful solstice]

Sometimes

[unique fox]

yeah not having execute kinda blows but sks hits harder than any execute even without csmash

[woeful solstice]

Bingo

[idle falcon]

a

[unique fox]

I ran imp sweeping strikes all night too

[woeful solstice]

Idk bros you can’t pick all things so just take what feels good imo

[woeful solstice]

Ya I tried it preferred the points elsewhere lol

[unique fox]

maybe massacre would be better

[idle falcon]

im not critting sks

_<

[lean burrow]

is warlord's torment useless vs locks?

cuz no crits

[fossil mortar]

Just go fury and grind them into the dust

[idle falcon]

question

what is the use of massacre if you dont have imp execute

cant i take the point off unhinged and put it into imp execute?

then maybe take warlord's torment for recklessness

[woeful solstice]

Yes into pet comps I did

Or EP

[unique fox]

can you still cleave hunter through deterrence with sweeping strikes?

am i thinking of something else?

[muted surge]

do i need to sub to mes for the weakaurs ?

[woeful solstice]

no

[muted surge]

ah yea found online

but where do i get the icons

[woeful solstice]

you dont need to

its just how WA previews it

ur fine

[muted surge]

ah k

[tawny elm]

any time of day it's better to queue SS for shorter waiting time?

[muted surge]

dhs damage is nice

also, i hate heals in this game

[spark zenith]

Got to 2387

Aaaand back down to 2279

FML

Can't get elite weapon after 2nd May right?

[muted surge]

idk but you still got over a week :)

[idle falcon]

yeah pretty sure u cant

[magic wing]

Can get 2.4 in one session so no reason to stop

[idle falcon]

@woeful solstice what is your crit/haste %

i currently have 23% crit and 10% haste (outside arena)

26% crit and 11% haste (in arena)

[muted surge]

yo do you play hunter ?

[frosty nexus]

gotta go down to go up bro

i tanked from 2.3 to 2k like 3 times before getting above 2.4

[teal hedge]

When is it my turn to go up 😭

Got hardstuck getting from 1,6k and then dropping to 1,4k

And then I got 1,8k

And now I'm back at 1,6k

[frosty nexus]

i feel like solo shuffle is mainly just rng

you either get good lobby or a lobby full of morons

i played mostly healer this season anyway

thats how i feel abt it

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I finna hop on healer fr fr

Miestro has inspired me

[magic wing]

Never

I play only warrior

[graceful ginkgo]

Thx, pretty good read

[stark eagle]

how we looking for 10.1 for those that have been on the ptr?

[craggy shell]

Hello guys

WAr 1900+ in SS - could you please tell me in which situation do i have to use war banner ?

[spark zenith]

Yeah, bummer when you get so close and miss it though. Running out of time.

[muted surge]

before cc

[tawny elm]

should i suggest KT? everyone is just silent in my lobbies

i mean

is it a warriors thing to do

[muted surge]

yes

but people ignroe it anway

[tawny elm]

i am the worst to determine KT

feels like i always make the wrong call

any simple ruleset to go by?

[magic fossil]

Hey ya’ll, what makes arms better than fury? When you look at leaderboard it’s mostly arms. Will this be the same in 10.1?

[fierce ermine]

yesterday was a rough fucking day

[robust shore]

If there is a lock on the enemy team thats a good bet since it means you are closeby to fear their tyrant or kick chaos bolts etc, from what i have seen in SS its very rarely a good idea to go healer

hunters are pretty squishy in general so they are good as well

[tawny elm]

yeah feels like i wanna go for locks and hunters

dk has also felt good

MW was hard to stick on

ele also

and mage

[robust shore]

It will come with experience as you grind out the games but those two basically always are good targets, eg into locks playing crushing throw and demolition pvp talent so you can isnta destroy their dark pact etc - MW can be okay if they are playing the melee fistweaver spec and are alwayus in melee but i am seeing less and less of those melee monks now

ranged monk isnt a great idea to target imo but could be wrong

[slender rock]

If mw bubbles someone I usually hard switch them

But that’s it

[tawny elm]

the hunters ive faced so far has felt very easy

[robust shore]

at around 2200mmr atm i am seeing locks basically every game, quite a lot of rets and quite a lot BM hunters all 3 of those are great targets especially rets since in lower mmrs they arent always great defensively due to it being a fotm reroll so they can die easily

[tawny elm]

oh

how are dps evokers as target?

havent faced one yet

[robust shore]

tbh i haventr faced many at all, they are probably decent so that you can interrupt their disintegrate cast which does a lot of dmg frequently

but i hardly see them to be honest

[tawny elm]

spriests?

[robust shore]

they are decent if they are paired with like a melee or something so you can cleave both but if there is a lock on the team i would rather go them

i think

but in general theyre a good target

quite hard to say due to the huge range of classes in solo shuffle

[tawny elm]

okies

thanks 🙂

oh right

i forget to use rend a lot of the time

very bad or?

[woeful solstice]

Imo don’t use

[sharp meteor]

only if you're slamming

[magic fossil]

Thanks for the reply Bobby, I’m new to wow and I’ve been playing demo and I just get trained every.single.game by arms so I figured you know what, I’ll just join em.

1800 honestly is the goal.

Is fury better at survivability? I know ignore pain is pretty amazing especially later on.

[fierce ermine]

I've been struggling as arms but doing over good as fury

I've found that as fury i am less likely the kill target

Ya, I'm trying to bounce between and get to 1800 with only a week left

Been on a real bad streak as arm

I was playing unhinged but I'm gonna try bleed

[magic fossil]

Thanks Bobby, I think I have my answer for now and I can always try arms as I improve as a player. @storm lichen you’re not only a gentleman, but a scholar as well.

Got it so I open with that macro?

[fierce ermine]

I'll give it a shot later today

[dapper elbow]

I have a really hard time with being kited as arms... but other arms warriors I come across dont seem to have the same issue. Anyone have advice for me?

[fierce ermine]

Don't charge off moun, save your charges if you can and leaps. The biggest issue. Ones from roots/traps

Thank you

[magic fossil]

Amazing! Thank you Bobby! My last question to you - you noted mastery is the main stat - do you envision us using that same macro in 10.1?

Right now I have my stats all over the place. 16 crit/18 haste/ 20 mastery

[fierce ermine]

Crit is changing in 10.1

What threshold should I look for haste?

[magic fossil]

Ty Bobby very very helpful

[fierce ermine]

Best advice I've seen in a long time, the Biden pfp typically just like to troll

[dark sparrow]

@mild thunder @quick carbon

[distant dagger]

im new to pvp, playing arms. are the pins builds still up to date? also, any youtubers that drop educational stuff for matchups etc?

[sharp meteor]

Season ends in a week and people are still trying new stuff

[mild thunder]

No comment

The pfp is having the desired effect and triggering people I suppose

[fossil mortar]

I am sad to announce, SMF dagger warrior does not work atm

[tawny elm]

ugh dont even get rating from winning

tanked so much and now i cant get back 😄

[sharp meteor]

Just gotta keep winning to fix mmr.

[obsidian loom]

only healers left in RSS are trolling

cba

[copper hare]

sure, keep blaming the healers

[obsidian loom]

i will thanks

i really enjoy 0-6 healers and 3-3 time wasting

[quick carbon]

hes trolling

[quick carbon]

sounds like

uu could do more

to win

but u choose not to

[magic wing]

fury is actually kinda lethal on that second reck go

[woeful solstice]

been a while

6-0'd a ret lobby

[magic wing]

lol

just absolutely destroyed a ret by precasting shatter

aint no better feeling in pvp

[worthy fern]

Reflecting hoj is up there for sure

As well as storming rogue cc and going on stun dr the same time

[dark sparrow]

My fav is spearing the mage, him trying to bug it but fail, and than eats a 180k MS

[quick carbon]

yes we get it warrior is broken

[wheat jay]

Always has been

[stark reef]

This just dropped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5KBpMS2Ms&ab_channel=SkillCappedWoWGuides

[worthy fern]

Is it magnus?

[stark reef]

Joefernandes

[worthy fern]

Oh

Magnus has some pretty elite awc reviews he’s done in the past

Pointing out like very minor mistakes that cost games at that level

Was pretty cool

[stark reef]

Yeah, I watched his content when I started retail in SL

Wish there would be more high rated warriors doing this commentary type content

Very popular in league

[unique fox]

Not many decent rets left in LFG it seems

[stark reef]

1400 guy using intervene, disarm, fear but doesn't use cmash for the first minute... the classic

[tawny elm]

ok, a lobby with 4 casters wasnt fun

3

i mean

but felt like 4 :p

[bright stream]

I quite like fury until you hit double caster or a single frostmage

wrecks warlocks, but not many of them queue

[distant dagger]

do ppl run the annulet in pvp?

[muted surge]

No

[sharp meteor]

Got nerfed by 75% on day one.

[swift thunder]

can someone help me with skullsplitter talent?
i have never played with it before, and im looking for best usage of it, just on cd ideally with colossus?

[stark reef]

Don't recommend it below 2k, has higher sgl target burst potential but much less margin for error

The way it works - it expires all bleeds and is most effective with reck/avatar talent but needs proper execution or it loses a lot of value

[swift thunder]

okay, thanks

[muted surge]

#fucksks

[stark reef]

I would probably be higher rated if I never tried it

🤣

But it's good to learn for when it works

[swift thunder]

🥲

[distant dagger]

do we use slam and whirlwind consistently, or is it just slam typically

[muted surge]

What

Fury?

[bright stream]

as fury? neither

at all

[distant dagger]

arms

[muted surge]

I don’t have it bound

Whirlwind could make sense to get a rogue out of stealth I guess

But slam is useless

[distant dagger]

for arms as well?

[muted surge]

Except to kill@totems

But for that rend is enough

Arms is the only spec

[swift thunder]

rend doing more dmg than slam even with initial hit

[distant dagger]

thats what i thought you guys just initially responded as fury, but good to know im just trying to cleanup my binds

[muted surge]

Bcs fury has talents for whirlwind

That could make sense

But on arms never in pvp

[distant dagger]

and thunderclap, just for slows or are we using it a lot

[muted surge]

If you skill it

It’s for rend spread

But most don’t use tc

[distant dagger]

ty for the help

[stark reef]

2.9k rated game, that's a clean fkn opener

[wheat jay]

I dont get it

You mean 2 stuns?

[stark reef]

The CC hits at the exact same time

Both max duration

[wheat jay]

Ummmm

That's normal stuff tho

[stark reef]

Usually if even cross CC it's 1sec left

I just haven't seen it that clean in shuffle

[wheat jay]

[stark reef]

I'm flinging mud with the boys in the 2.3k range, you think we cross CC?

I'm happy if my shaman links 3/6 games

[bright stream]

the number of 2.4 healers that stare blankly at you in an 8 second root

and then have the audacity to complain at you about interrupts is depressing

[stark reef]

I only have one thing to say for healers in this bracket

[iron fractal]

When is the next pvp season and gear released?

[tawny elm]

feels like it super hard to not line the healer when youre up against double casters

[hot solstice]

u simply go caster that is closer to ur healer

warlock will come back after portal anyway

[bright stream]

into double caster the healers positioning play changes, is harder. They have to move with you and predict you, towards the caster taking close pillars.

hard exposes healers who don't know how to play with melee.

[tawny elm]

feels like my awareness and helping others in my team is the hardest part now 🙂

[tawny elm]

will try to!

[stark reef]

2.9k UI btw

Let him cook

[mild thunder]

A lot of top players have the most scuffed UIs imaginable because that’s where stuff was put 15 years ago and they don’t wanna change it

[wheat jay]

Its the most standard ui ever

Soooo ye

Good for pvp

[mild thunder]

I mean, it’s a bit cluttered but the placement of everything is good and reasonable

[wheat jay]

Ye

Look at almost every pvp player or streamer and its the same just less cluttered with nameplates

[mild thunder]

My UI is the best

[wheat jay]

No

Mine

Get fukd Saladchad

[mild thunder]

[simple rock]

quad stacked action bars

[wheat jay]

I havent played in so long i dont remember if I had 3 or 4 stacked

XD

[mild thunder]

2 stacked

[wheat jay]

Wack

[mild thunder]

Is the best way

[wheat jay]

Cant fit all my binds on 2 stacked

[simple rock]

I have 3 with some cds doubled

and 1 action bar hidden

[mild thunder]

2 stacked, 2 wide

[simple rock]

for taunt/hamstring/target pet macros etc

[wheat jay]

2 wide wtf

[mild thunder]

2 wide gamers rise up fr

[wheat jay]

Bro get outta here

[mild thunder]

You’re just jealous bro

My UI is superior

[wheat jay]

Send

[scarlet sorrel]

I have 2x6 stacked and two full bars hidden

[mild thunder]

Hold on, gimme 5

2x6?? Bruh

Wait

Do you mean 6 hotkeys wide

[scarlet sorrel]

No need to see stuff without cds

Yea

6wide double stacked

Like

[wheat jay]

Huh

[mild thunder]

Eh, that’s not bad… I like to lie to myself about warrior having a lot of binds tho

[wheat jay]

Bro this is getting weirded and weirder

[mild thunder]

We’re a hard spec

[wheat jay]

But hey Kargish is the weirdest here

Man's using wow base ui

[scarlet sorrel]

I have everything bound its just hidden

[wheat jay]

No addons whatsoever

[copper hare]

go play any shaman spec this expansion and you know what key binds are

[scarlet sorrel]

I use mostly wow ui. It looks very wow at least

[mild thunder]

Shaman has always had a lot of binds

Same as Druid and sv

[wheat jay]

Try survi lol

New bind coming