with sks
#pvp
quick carbon
tbf you can do that with a lot of arms abilities
Depending on armor
u can delete plate with sks
way easier
mild thunder
i've still hit >150k mortal strikes, 120k executes, 50k fatalities etc.
stark reef
That's what I mean. Like you hit MS twice, then get sudden death proc and the guy just gets run over
quick carbon
against squishy targets u can yeah
stark reef
Suddenly he's at 12% health,you have full rage, just spam execute and it's over
Just happened to a dk I wasn't even focusing. Turned around, the guy was at 20%
mild thunder
sks is fun, it just feels a bit finnicky at times
stark reef
Yeah, that's exactly my impression
quick carbon
I don’t even think it’s a big
quick carbon
Bug
It says on the tooltip that targets damaged by it will take the effect
If ur sks damage is absorbed by a shield
The dots won’t tick
simple rock
mild thunder
slam 
mild thunder
slam worst global of all time
objectively true fact
quick carbon
Remove slam
mild thunder
mortal strike is the only global i need
stark reef
Run sks without rend?
quick carbon
I can’t see the picture cuz my signal rn is Garbo
mild thunder
quick carbon
no u need rend to play sks
play the roar spec
With recklessness
play blunt inst
drop unhinged
play fatality
the whole left side of the tree basically
U pick
mild thunder
being able to fit explo into sks would make it feel a lot stronger and less gimmicky
stark reef
Yeah, I ran that but that lower right part just slaps
mild thunder
EP is chad
quick carbon
if u sks someone
stark reef
EP hits so hard
mild thunder
EP is chad
stark reef
But EP just gives you free games
quick carbon
ep isn’t worth the points I don’t think
quick carbon
But EP just gives you free games
Every game is free you play arms warrior
stark reef
🤝
mild thunder
EP is chad
stark reef
I didn't run it, now I'm running it and completely destroying these lobbies
Before that I couldn't kill a lock hardcasting all game
mild thunder
part of me genuinely thinks exhilarating blows just isnt necessary rn
stark reef
Now they're back to portalling every 5sec losing their healer and dying
stark reef
which one is that?
mild thunder
20% ms reset talent
stark reef
Took point out of bloodborn and exhilarating blow, can take out unhinged for 2/2 bloodborn
mild thunder
enduring blow 
spice hornet
yeah i wish it was that
mild thunder
would be wayyyy too strong tho
spice hornet
feel like at higher mmr on warrio you just get cucked by honk honk weakaura all day, at least AM desyncs it from the disarms but still
mild thunder
true
quick carbon
I love battlelord
stark reef
But tbh, I feel like the full crit arms warrior just generates these windows where it's pretty much over and you need exhilarating for that.
Where you just chain ms and execute
quick carbon
But tbh, I feel like the full crit arms warrior just generates these windows whe...
full crit sks bro….
mild thunder
I love battlelord
meh
stark reef
full crit sks bro….
Yeah but it's not free - gonna try climbing with full crit and might try sks - def link me your build later
Also, if you don't run BS/avatar, don't you just get cc'd all day?
I press avatar and everyone in the lobby is throwing stuff at me
That's why I like avatar bladestorm because by the time bladestorm runs out people forget you have avatar running
mild thunder
we were just fine without BL
BL makes our rotation a lot less fun tbh
it's just 1-2 spam
spice hornet
yeah its boring af
mild thunder
even pve is just spamming 1-2 and using IP and big ww to not overcap rage
removing BL and making storm of swords apply to slam would make arms a lot more fun imo
quick carbon
Also, if you don't run BS/avatar, don't you just get cc'd all day?
no
spice hornet
yep, warrior felt better to me in shadowlands, rotation wise
quick carbon
That's why I like avatar bladestorm because by the time bladestorm runs out peop...
no they don’t
mild thunder
yep, warrior felt better to me in shadowlands, rotation wise
aftershock
quick carbon
They just see u bladestorm twice in 7 seconds and know what ur playing
spice hornet
forgot about that ability 
id rather have that over unhinged lmao
kinda sad they got rid of those abilities basically
mild thunder
aftershock is the chaddest of chad abilities
also had super satisfying audio/visual design
spice hornet
yeah it did, felt smooth to press
mild thunder
instead we get budget dragon roar and bright-blue spear that bugs half the time
spice hornet
yeah shits trash
the shadowlands ability choice node shoguld just be all 4
let oyu pick one
mild thunder
90sec spear just doesnt feel good
vapid tartan
in what situations would you want a standard bleed build over sks
just when theres no plate?
spice hornet
when u wann turn ur brain off
mild thunder
i didnt know it had an ON button
vapid tartan
im guessing against stuff that kites you so like mage or hunter but wouldnt spear just be better there
spice hornet
yeah you pretty muc harent going to touch a good hunter/mage without spear
especially when the hunter is with a ret oh my god
comp is disgusting
vapid tartan
do u guys swap gear between shuffle rounds to go into spear then back to mostly haste for sks
mild thunder
cupid on a big map with 2x freedoms is more annoying than fdk cleaves that just spams chains between their go's
spice hornet
yeah that comp is cringe
rotund trellis
fuckin SHITdrakken always runs at 30 fps why
stark reef
No Bladestorm - full crit, full sks
Could see this nicely into demo locks tbh
Eli shaman, to
Unholy DK's
rotund trellis
new mog:
ruby temple
I know twos is a meme but was doing some tonight as arms with a disc priest and was really struggling into demo/healer lobbies..do you guys think it's better to sit lock as much as I can or just sit on healer. Either way that stupid curse slow seems to drastically reduce my uptime 😦
bright stream
I know twos is a meme but was doing some tonight as arms with a disc priest and ...
sit lock 100% of the time that the priest isnt casting mind games
unique fox
I play arms/disc in 2s and just sit demo as much as possible, wrecking throw with demolition one shots dark pact and you'll be in a better position to fear tyrant
bright stream
if for some reason the priest comes up to you/your healer you can swap to them, but it's an 'all in' maneuver imo, and shouldn't be done until CDs down and dampening ramping up
ruby temple
Maybe I just gotta get more comfortable I was sitting the demo and fearing the tyrant. And even not running a pad aoe build I was still double their damage every game but still couldn't seem to squeak out games. Which made me think of two other questions. 1. Do their imp pets consume my one reflect charge? 2. Assuming it doesn't is hand basically the only spell I'm trying to reflect?
ruby temple
if for some reason the priest comes up to you/your healer you can swap to them, ...
Yeah I felt.like sometimes healers would walk up to me and instead of punishing them for that I would keep chasing lock. I have it in my head I can never let a demo free cast but I think if I whapped his heals he'd have to try and cc me vs blowing me up
unique fox
pretty sure its bait, anytime i go heals vs demo/heal they pull me line and spam fear my healer into space
also even if you fear tyrant you should be leaping/getting gripped to line the rest of it
obsidian loom
are you taking crit on the other tree
i was messing around with skull splitter it feels more engaging but im still not sure when to dump it
stark reef
Vs. Unholy DK & Demo Lock, went on DK
stark reef
do you need EP for it?
I like EP a lot
stark reef
Oh, you mean cruel strikes?
stark reef
Yeah, will do that. I like it
obsidian loom
i might try this
i went back to haste build with fatality and no EP and i dont like it
doesnt have the closer feel
ill try this with ferocity on use crit trink and 2/2 CS
less pressure but more kill potential in 2nd go of dampening if the ret on your team doesnt forget to bubble
sharp meteor
Vs. Unholy DK & Demo Lock, went on DK
hm not sure about 1% crit over storm
sharp meteor
stark reef
But what's the value of BS into DK/Demo lock?
They won't kite me
Without talent BS doesn't even apply deep wounds
mild thunder
Immuning cc? Unpeelable dmg? A good dk/lock team will absolutely try and kite you when you’re close to killing
Bladestorm provides infinitely more value than 1% crit, I can promise you that
mild thunder
Without talent BS doesn't even apply deep wounds
Yes, it does
stark reef
I can see it in 3s but shuffle we all know how it goes
sharp meteor
They won't kite me
lmao?
lol?
you could spin an axe toss, coil, axphys, hex, clone, mind control
or even just rip off a chains of ice
for the price of 1% crit
spinning even 1 cc or using it to remove chains will probs result in more damage than that 1% crit
stark reef
Vs. Unholy DK & Demo Lock, went on DK
This is the build
Played it into two unholy DKs now and they got melted
sharp meteor
oh the one you posted earlier
mild thunder
The DKs melted because it’s a squishy spec and arms melts it, not because of a super secret hidden tech build
sharp meteor
yeah
mild thunder
Until next season, where they have perma 20% dmg reduc into us
sharp meteor
that might be rough
vapid tartan
is it ever ok to drop unhinged against non pet classes
lean burrow
if it's a mage with clones
indigo barn
If you're forcing a dk to DS every 3 seconds for that 20% dr, then I wouldn't worry too much
woeful solstice
Guess you guys don’t like mini-avatar?
woeful solstice
Talking about blademasters torment
undone pumice
yea but shadowlands best expansion obv
woeful solstice
undone pumice
love me some unchained retwarr vs kitty matches
mild thunder
yea but shadowlands best expansion obv
SL classic when?
indigo barn
WODstralus 
mild thunder
all of wow's borrowed power systems in one xpac
indigo barn
Day 1 corruption 🤡
indigo barn
Can we also throw in 7.0 legion leggos with the hidden system that you could not get more than 4 until S2 so if you were unlucky your character would be bricked for the seqson
mild thunder
disc shields kinda huge now
undone pumice
Can we also throw in 7.0 legion leggos with the hidden system that you could not...
can you go back to jail
bronze venture
gz
severe fable
if i am wanting to get a quick 1.8k in solo shuffle at the start of next season is there any prep i can do now to make it easier?
bronze venture
are you 1k8 rn ?
severe fable
yeah
bronze venture
I would say play one in a while to not get rusty
gear full conq
then that's all
severe fable
okay ty, is fury still decent in pvp?
bronze venture
I don't play it
indigo barn
can you go back to jail
I have 2 kids. Is that jail enough?
bright stream
okay ty, is fury still decent in pvp?
Its better than people think imo
magic wing
Its better than people think imo
If you get fury against you as arms its usually ezggs
But the fury burst is nice
muted surge
What changes ?
mild thunder
@quick carbon for the sks enjoyer
fickle forge
Still baffled that DW is nerfed in PvP
bright stream
@mild thunder we're starting strong with a 5-1 at 2k tonight
wont be long and I'll have gotten off the rust
stark reef
350 rating yesterday.
Starting todays session at the highs. This could be something here.
mild thunder
<@589020053748449300> we're starting strong with a 5-1 at 2k tonight
pogg
lean burrow
if i am wanting to get a quick 1.8k in solo shuffle at the start of next season ...
play at the start when everyone is honor geared and there's high participation
magic wing
350 rating yesterday.
Starting todays session at the highs. This could be some...
What rating you at now ?
stark reef
2143
magic wing
So you go up and down ?
stark reef
I had a few bad games at 2150, then went 0/6 because i almost felt asleep, queued up again and dcd thx to blizzard update and lost another 170
Tanked to 1796 in one session
magic wing
Oof
midnight cloud
Hi guys, if i am 1.4k now. Is it considered too late to try for 1.8k? I grinded to 1.5k but a DC resulted in Blizz punishing me with a -150 rating. Appreciate if someone experience can let me know if i am too late to try for 1.8k
Just trying to get the Tmog
stark reef
I’d say you can do it since arms is so strong and straight forward
lean burrow
Hi guys, if i am 1.4k now. Is it considered too late to try for 1.8k? I grinded ...
you can do it in a day
midnight cloud
there are times i was ganked in the solo shuffle and had to stagger my defensives but still die
midnight cloud
you can do it in a day
o.O really?!
bronze venture
I don’t see any changes
I think that the crit damage nerf will hurt arms
lean burrow
any other class has to use 1-2min cds to defend themselves
midnight cloud
gosh, i took a day off today and only manage to get to 1.5k before the DC.. took me 4 hours of queue time T-T
lean burrow
warrior is gigachad who has 3 sec cd on defensive
bronze venture
175% dam crit in pvp -> 150%
midnight cloud
it's your #1 defensive
okay got it, thank you
i have been trying to watch some youtube vids as well to learn
muted surge
175% dam crit in pvp -> 150%
Yea, but that’s for everyone, we prob just stack more haste again
bronze venture
I feel that we rely more on "explosive" pressure than some other classes with our big crits on exec/ms
lean burrow
gosh, i took a day off today and only manage to get to 1.5k before the DC.. took...
you can get lucky and go 6-0 in a lobby
midnight cloud
btw, can i ask what are the ideal pieces i should wear ? I am still wearing the ilvl 421 PvE Helm and Chest while the others are conquest gear less the 2 trinkets
lean burrow
then 5-1 or 6-0 again and you are 1800
midnight cloud
you can get lucky and go 6-0 in a lobby
ahhh would be tough cos sometimes or most often than not, pple always gank on the Arms warrior with their magic attacks. But Fingers crossed (=
lean burrow
ahhh would be tough cos sometimes or most often than not, pple always gank on th...
you can read through #810664169140518947
thick reef
Does anyone know a basic sweep strikes macro to track duration of the buff?
I tried but mine doesnt load.
thick reef
sweep strike macro to track duration ?
No im dyslexic. I meant to say weakaura
bronze venture
no prob
type /wa, on top bar click new, choose from a template and here you can choose among all the war buffs
sage raptor
any other class has to use 1-2min cds to defend themselves
Dk
You weren't asking nvm
rotund trellis
<@235242813317447680> for the sks enjoyer <:gladge:963970137701109820>
STUTTERLORD. best char name ever?
idle falcon
holy shit skullsplitter build is op
sharp meteor
a lot of people not rly expecting the giant hit into sharpen
idle falcon
its good against certain fights though
bronze venture
you play with TR / bleeds?
scarlet flame
<@235242813317447680> for the sks enjoyer <:gladge:963970137701109820>
sks hit 81k
did you hit that guy for 200k with all bleeds + sks? LOL
stark reef
Imo sks only worth if you have close to 100% uptime
glass roost
This is gonna be a turbo dumb question, but I’m not quite getting when to swap to d stance in arena / SS
Mind you I’m not the best warrior in arena
stark reef
Arms or fury?
lean burrow
This is gonna be a turbo dumb question, but I’m not quite getting when to swap t...
when you want to use defensives
vs enemies' burst
rogue is about to stun you -> dstance
priest has PI and dark ascension -> dstance
you see lock summoning tyrant -> dstance
stark reef
Idk - depends how the match is going. Spriest by himself can pop everything he has, he’ll die anyways
Id say open dstance, go battle for burst, then see who’s target, if you’re target go back dstance and only swap for burst windows, otherwise just full send battle
If you’re trinket is on cd you want play like you’re target because you’re likely becoming target
Aka dstance unless burst
glass roost
when you want to use defensives
Thank you so much for this!
stark reef
Spending too much time in dstance is a sure way to lose matches.
idle falcon
next season i might need someone to coach me on how to play arms
idle falcon
xd
stark reef
Add this and you're good to go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkW-K5RQdzo&t=128s&ab_channel=RammsteinOfficial
vapid tartan
how often do you guys feel imp execute wins shuffle rounds
stark reef
Executioner's Precision?
stark reef
I see - would always run this
Execute is most dangerous part of arms kit
As to your question - it wins the rounds that matter
vapid tartan
yeah i feel like im swapping between fatality and imp execute
some rounds fatality feels useless, but it does help get a kill later in the round
stark reef
Look at it this way: 30% rounds you can't win, 30% rounds you can't lose - execute wins more of the remaining 40%
vapid tartan
i guess i could swap out fbv for it but i really like the passive healing
you feel those 40% of the rounds end in a double execute?
stark reef
They usually end in a surprise, execute is the best surprise you have
It's just a solo-queue concept that basically says 40% games you make the difference through a clutch play or clear mistake
vapid tartan
yeah thats why im not sure about fatality, feel like theres some rounds where you just delete someone and surprise the healer, where with imp execute they might be able to save the kill target between gcd
stark reef
I run both tbh
All my builds are set up for surprise burst
Some more bleed, some more crit, but always aiming for a strong execute window
vapid tartan
yeah only option for me is to drop the fueled by violence
vapid tartan
i guess against unholy or demo you can put the unhinged point in improved exe
or take soa/eb
vapid tartan
i swap shattering/honed reflexes around depending on the comp, only point i really swap on the arms tree is unhinged into soa
stark reef
i guess against unholy or demo you can put the unhinged point in improved exe
This is what I run if I try to kill unholy or demo
vapid tartan
i think maybe imp exe could be better when going against something like a monk or sham? since theres probably not gonna be enough time to build stacks
maybe i could swap between that and take fatality against shit like lock
vapid tartan
This is what I run if I try to kill unholy or demo
what do you run against non pet?
vapid tartan
are you swapping builds and gear between shuffle rounds?
guess it could be nice to play spear first round then swap to bleed
and have them saving cds
stark reef
Yes, I have 4 builds I swap between, but basically it this:
Spear + max crit
Roar + max crit
Spear + Sks
Roar + Sks
I play max crit unhinged into no pets, spear vs. targets that kite me, roar vs. targets that can't kite me, sks into pets
stark reef
One sec, queue popped
vapid tartan
gl
stark reef
what would you take into shit like pally + mage/hunter
depends on pets
vapid tartan
Yeah I think I’ll play around imp exe over fatality
What I’m trying to avoid is not having exe/ms if they get to 5-10% and the healer just bumps them back up
not having *
magic wing
Why you guys not running the improved fear
Its huge
Knocks everybody to Africa while you kill the guy
stark reef
I like this idea, will test
magic wing
I seen Baj use it and its big
stark reef
Yeah, sacrificed 1% haste / 1% crit depending on build, should be chill
Dind't know it existed tbh
teal hedge
AAAAAAA
We have killed the ret, twice
I've started watching the miestro, I might level a holy-pal
Does it work good with warriors?
teal hedge
Okay, I'm thinking I get gladius
What else would be usefull?
@lean burrow which sarena do I download?
Or is gladius ex better?
stark reef
Get gladiolossa or whatever it’s called
wanton sun
I haven't been able to find it but in a stream of a pvper (forget which) someone said they had a WA that helps show what their teammates are hitting
stark reef
I haven't been able to find it but in a stream of a pvper (forget which) someone...
I'd love this one
wanton sun
Yeah. I have been looking for something that will show what my teammates are hitting but haven't had much luck finding anything
frosty nexus
i use gladiusex but you just gotta remove loads of shit to make it readable
its very customizable
i just have this and thats it, no need for party frames when theres blizz party frames, just play around with the settings
n you can move the spacing of the icons etc
teal hedge
Holy shit there is so much do customise
frosty nexus
yea
teal hedge
Okay my performance has significantly decreased
quaint snow
teal hedge
It's like actually being assaulted seeing all of these buttons
I just ran around like a headless chicken
And I'm down to 1470 cr 😭
teal hedge
n you can move the spacing of the icons etc
How do I change the spacing?
Lookin very clean now
maiden roost
does anyone here have a hunter/ feral/ warrior or anything else around 2.3-2.4 to queue alts for another glad mount? Disc ret you. Need to queue games now preferably.
EU
teal hedge
I got 1,3k cr in 3v3
fresh valve
grats
teal hedge
It was more of an application to join the goon above :P
But yeah, my cr in solos keep fluctuating
Hopefully they improve now, however, that I have the funny win mod
fresh valve
I wonder if getting glad mounts is gonna be worthless when the riot mmo comes out
teal hedge
Riot is the most mid studio on planet earth
fresh valve
still better than a small indie dev studio
teal hedge
Debateable
fresh valve
they got Bing Chilling money
fresh valve
huh
teal hedge
Valorant and league are some of the ugliest games I've ever seen.
fresh valve
bro WoW aint any better lmfao
teal hedge
Also, fun fact
That game where I shared my UI someone immediately left
And I got sent into another 20 minujte queue
fresh valve
sounds fun
teal hedge
Hmmm, some skills aren't displayed via gladius
Like the disc-priest health transfer?
Or is that one not a cd?
teal hedge
How do I counter people hard-focusing our caster?
Like, I played with this lock and he was getting high-key bullied by a paladin and a dk
And I tried to slow them down and stunned paladin as much as possible, as well as disarming the wings.
Yet they still cut through
idle falcon
i use gladiusex but you just gotta remove loads of shit to make it readable
gladiu-sex?
frosty nexus
yes
red igloo
do you guys know if i can send honor from one character to another?
obsidian loom
No
sharp meteor
Just via the little 150 honor mark things that are boa
but it's like 10k honor per season tops to get full gear so
stark reef
Yeah, I have to learn the game now
Stormbolt healers before CD's and stuff
Can't be asked... but it is what it is
quick carbon
u dont need to just bolt healers off cd
stark reef
Yeah, set up my binds for that just now
quick carbon
all u do as warrior
is tab target
to whoevers closest to u
chasing ppl and not doing damage while u chase them
is dookie
quick carbon
even if ur fighting ret lock
stark reef
So I sit on CD's to long, etc
quick carbon
if the lock runs
and u have to chase
just piss on the ret
even if lock casts on u who cares
just do damage to something
anything
stark reef
Do you just keep pushing CD's even if new target? I know that's super situational but generally, do you hold back and look to "get back at the real target"?
quick carbon
it depends
if someone has no wall or something and they make space
u can walk to that person
while ur hitting
stark reef
I feel like that's a skill you can only get through repetition
stark reef
Yeah, I think I have the concepts down, just need reps I think
quick carbon
if u can just 100-0 some1 cuz they have nothing
stark reef
Just comfort, knowing my limits,when to chase, when to swap,
quick carbon
then saave ur cds for when u connect back to him
quick carbon
i mean
u can still use stuff
like if u force wall from some1 else
with ur buttons
now 2 ppl dont have waall
stark reef
Yeah, sometimes I even manage to catch off a priest who is low after hitting DPS for 2min
Right now I'm still so focused on my own character, I know from other games that eventually you don't even watch your own stuff but just react to others
So you get to actually watch what your opponents do - I'm not at that point yet unless it is the kill-target and even then I overlook stuff like Csmash into BOP and stuff
stark reef
Yeah, agree - working on that
stark reef
I only like it into pets
stark reef
Some people probably play it into everything - preference for sure
stark reef
I have 11% but tbh I don’t think stats are that important
clever igloo
what does skullsplitter actually do
clever igloo
isn't it bad to expire your bleeds instantly, i dont get it
idle falcon
it expires them and deals all their damage in one hit
then u can re-apply them
big dmg
clever igloo
current rating i guess
idle falcon
same
teal hedge
Timed my defensives, feared the dk that popped his cds and did everything in my power to survive
And then there's a solid 15 something seconds where the paladin bubbles, heals the non-target and then I due.
*die
clever igloo
i didn't like solo shuffle too much, too long queues and some disappointing matches
teal hedge
Like, I see people straight up ignoring cds and not bursting with me even though I pop colossus and everything
idle falcon
chest, legs, hands, shoulders?
teal hedge
i didn't like solo shuffle too much, too long queues and some disappointing matc...
Yeah, 20-30 minute queue only to get matched with someone that hates you, leaves for two rounds in a row, and gets back after you've lost two rounds :P
stark reef
For builds i would always just google “solo shuffle leaderboard” - look at R1 - R5, that’s your build
The closer the better
You’ll see some variance in a few pieces but likely negligible - when in doubt R1 is right
vivid pumice
You’ll see some variance in a few pieces but likely negligible - when in doubt R...
yeah but i mean the R1 is probably changing his build based on the comp
stark reef
Very true
idle falcon
should i be using Feuled by Violence in skullsplitter build?
cause the pvp build in the pins doesn't it have it skilled
teal hedge
I just copy mud
stark reef
I am not running it with sks
idle falcon
kk
stark reef
Liking improved intimidating shout tbh
stark reef
Yeah, liking the knockback into all the pet builds
quick carbon
ya no target cap is op
I didn’t know it removed the target cap lol
I’ve been clicking tyrant to make sure I fear it
sharp meteor
fearing obelisk fears nothing
but otherwise it fears everything nearby
and knocks stuff you aren't targeting
so you can often knock teammates/tyrant/dogs etc away
quick carbon
isn't it bad to expire your bleeds instantly, i dont get it
Try skullsplitter it owns
spice hornet
Any no bladestorm chads in the chat?
thick reef
So many roots and slows in the game, unless you're fury, I can't imagine not having bladestorm atm.
stark reef
Any no bladestorm chads in the chat?
Ran it into another DK. 6/0 lobby, oneshot him once without healer even getting there
Sks crit into execute crit 🤝
Also ran it into boomkin and lock and it was attrocious
Might try lock again but boomkin no Bueno
spice hornet
What mmr is this
stark reef
2k
This mmr:
My team-mates and me taking turns on who’s holding hands and who’s swinging.
magic fossil
Hey guys, never wow player here. Thinking of getting into warrior and just curious for pvp which spec between fury or arms has better survivability and “tankyness?
magic fossil
What makes it so tanky? Self healing or?
magic fossil
Sweet, so although fury has more healing through bloodthirst, it’s less tanky because it lacks ignore pain right?
With dampening and such?
magic fossil
Ah, right! So that’s also why dk is not “tanky” because their don’t have a ton of mitigation, and only heal is DS
stark reef
DK is very squishy vs physical dmg but very tanky vs magic
One advantage is that fury can use wall during cc, arms cannot, so fury can trinket with less hassle
magic fossil
Ah that makes sense. Well thanks Shok, this was very helpful you’re a good guy.
My last question is historically. Has warriors always been viable across multiple expans either warrior or fury?
stark reef
Arms is generally very good because of Mortal Strike - always has a place in the meta
Fury not so much - had a good season recently but usually arms outshines fury
Hopefully they address this
magic fossil
Good to know! I think I’m gonna start an arms tomorrow, thanks Shox
stark reef
If you want to play the best pvp class play mage - always S tier or very close on one of the 3 specs
magic fossil
Which spec do you prefer of the two?
stark reef
Fury but arms is free rating
magic fossil
I like tankyness/sustain/healing plate classes
Just don’t wanna play something that’s only been good now, doesn’t have to be the best, just consistently decent
mild thunder
Ah that makes sense. Well thanks Shok, this was very helpful you’re a good guy.
...
arms has pretty much never been bad, it's literally the main character of pvp
we are the arena
whenever someone else steps into the arena, they step into our home
stark reef
mild thunder
least para-social discord user
fresh valve
@elfin surge is the only person who deserves that kind of love
rotund trellis
silly question as I''m on my alt, why 6-0 gives me only 66?
lean burrow
silly question as I''m on my alt, why 6-0 gives me only 66?
You've been losing a lot
The game thinks "ok here's literal toddlers for you"
rotund trellis
thanks game
rotund trellis
2-4 at 1600, -98 rank wtf cmon game
sharp meteor
silly question as I''m on my alt, why 6-0 gives me only 66?
Because your mmr has stabilized.
If you're 1500 mmr and go 3-3 then you get roughly 300 points
sharp meteor
The game thinks "ok here's literal toddlers for you"
It's more like senior citizens and people who can't afford keyboards, I think
rotund trellis
If you're 1500 mmr and go 3-3 then you get roughly 300 points
i JUST GOT A 3-3 AND GOT 1 POINT
caps lol sorry
sharp meteor
i JUST GOT A 3-3 AND GOT 1 POINT
📈 🚀
rotund trellis
ss is literally unplayable right now btw
stark reef
Just had a high healer going 0/6
rotund trellis
at 1500 i mean
stark reef
rotund trellis
Most games are 3-3 cause people on healer alts with no gear
supple galleon
question, what's a decent ilvl to aim for before going into arenas?
spice hornet
2100 lobby’s right now are like 1600 regular 3s
indigo barn
Bruh I can at least read what's going on in 1600 3s lobby
Fucking overload of everything in SS 2100
fresh valve
shuffle aint shit
stark reef
shuffle is goated (i have not played 2s or 3s outside of a few matches with guildies in SL to 1800)
fresh valve
maybe if you want easy elite gear
stark reef
But thing is, in these matches I probably just got carried, I didn't even know I was 1800 until I saw I have full set
stark reef
I have no team-mates and no interest in finding randos
fresh valve
shuffle dont even got real rewards lmfao
mild thunder
idk it just seems weird to play an mmo, but then not properly engage with the mmo
as in, you dont get any real social aspect of spamming soloQ
fresh valve
nobody gives a fuck about the social aspect anymore
the only reason the game had a booming social scene back then was because there werent any other good games
solo players are the only reason the game makes any kind of money
games dead without em
rich sleet
games dead without em
stark reef
idk it just seems weird to play an mmo, but then not properly engage with the mm...
the mmo aspect is having opponents, a story, open world, i also like M+
Just stuff I can queue up for on my own time
fresh valve
wow's social scene is basically a bunch of homeless men at a garbage fire
or on a discord server
stark reef
Average guild discords are a catastrophy
fresh valve
the mmo aspect is having opponents, a story, open world, i also like M+
any game where you can interact with other players regularly is an mmo
rich sleet
Average guild discords are a catastrophy
fresh valve
ff14 is literally a single player mmo
and half of the wow fanbase left to play that game when Korthia came out
stark reef
I'm at all-time high rating and falling asleep in my chair - time to stop queueing?
Just triggered about 7 pre-coqs last game
fresh valve
do 3's so you can get rewards that actually matter
fresh valve
ok
rich sleet
And lots of salt
stark reef
fresh valve
wow's leaderboards only give you clout in discords full of autistic people
rich sleet
wow's leaderboards only give you clout in discords full of autistic people
Arena player depiction
fresh valve
average shuffle player
rich sleet
average shuffle player
Upgrade when you get past 2k
stark reef
And lots of salt
rich sleet
Why I stopped once I got the elite set. Just annoying after that
quaint snow
just line bruh
stark reef
“We gotta stop triggering precoq guys. If you’re not sure just don’t kick.”
"You clearly saw I was cc'd, why go behind pillar?"
"Just 3 more seconds and my CD's were back. Just kite."
magic wing
When is next season boys ?
steep inlet
2 may
mild thunder
9th of may is season start
magic wing
Jinji knife set + drust ritual knife is bis combo
vestal oxide
guys , how do you handle a Solo shuffle full of Hunter / Lock / Caster / ranges ?
3 Q in a row .....
broken nest
Upgrade when you get past 2k
Also me waiting 30mins to get a queue
Just for it to be delinced and wait another 15...
vestal oxide
went from 2K1 to 1750 yesterday, i'm literraly crying and FF for this Season
broken nest
I give up this season...not sure if Aussie's just don't play anymore but 10mins for a bg queue sucks
rich sleet
Also me waiting 30mins to get a queue
Tip for you for waiting
Read a book, write a book, book a holiday foe your book, or think about what you've done to deserve this
mild thunder
Tip for you for waiting
Read a book, write a book, book a holiday foe your book,...
zugzug, me not know how read
me look at picture, ignore words
mild thunder
i'll stand by saying both warr sets have been ASS so far this xpac
s1 felt super generic and worse than other similar sets like blackrock
s2 just doesnt feel very warrior and is over-detailed and under-interesting
but i get my asscandy sword so idc 
mild thunder
i dont like any of the s1/2 pieces tho
the way a lot of these sets are built makes them very awkward to mix-and-match as well
indigo barn
Would be nice if they threw in other tier set pieces like S3/4 SL so you could have other elite sets
mild thunder
some specs are getting great tmogs - dk s1 and dk s2 are both chad
mild thunder
i think dk next season might be my favourite full set in the game
indigo barn
The dk shoulders this tier not being available in any form for non dks is a travesty 
mild thunder
clever igloo
will there be a conquest cap on season 2?
lean burrow
death knights always get better transmog
death knights are just cooler plate classes
warriors will always be just lumps of metal/stone
bronze venture
wow guys
just got smoked into oblivion by an evoker
went 1 5
bruh I legit didn't know what to do at all
I was the only melee
how do you even play against this shit
lean burrow
dragonrage -> cc or press def
bronze venture
are they good kill target ?
bronze venture
dragonrage -> cc or press def
err I wanted to storm bolt but the guy had shroud all allong
how do you play generally against double ranged / caster ? on my dk and my war I have the same problem, I get kited so I constantly switch target to maintain some kind of pressure, but since I don't clearly focus someone no one dies
lean burrow
very squishy if you stun+cs them
bronze venture
very squishy if you stun+cs them
all right
lean burrow
maintain hamstring
bronze venture
I think I just panicked
lean burrow
don't charge off mount
bronze venture
I'm below average lol
I'm at 1k8 after 6 matchs I dunno even why
and now I'm getting smoked round after round
lean burrow
read #810664169140518947 it's probably same advice for you
bronze venture
read <#810664169140518947> it's probably same advice for you
y I watched pikaboo video
it was helpful
I'm going to post some gameplay of mine
bronze venture
s1 felt super generic and worse than other similar sets like blackrock
s2 just d...
based but true
S2 is so over the top
with the lil wings and all
the visor inside the helmet which is already overloaded with details
S1 is so bad I feel like I'm playing geodude from pokemon
mild thunder
82k fatal mark
mortal marlin
Is fury ok in ss? or should I just play arms?
vestal oxide
Is fury ok in ss? or should I just play arms?
it's ok until 1K8/2K then should prob go arms
or start arms and get better after every fight
mortal marlin
it's ok until 1K8/2K then should prob go arms
I'm not fully conq geared yet and figured i'd go fury until i can buy all the gear. I have 4 piece just kinda missing a few things. Does conq/honor matter as much anymore?
I Just want elite set after 1800 im prob not gonna push anymore
mild thunder
@quick carbon execute is weak
mortal marlin
I started fury and just swapped arms wirh few piece to change
do you remember the burst rotation for fury?
mild thunder
depends on build
if you're using RA - rampage > reck + avatar > rampage > TRoar > build to rampage > odyns > normal rotation
if you're playing AM, you dont really do anything special, just follow the rotation to rampage as much as possible and roar/spear while enraged and buffed
mortal marlin
depends on build
if you're using RA - rampage > reck + avatar > rampage > TRoar...
whats reck?
mild thunder
stark reef
lean burrow
I just realized that ret's wings being 23 sec duration with 1 min cd is the same uptime as warbreaker 10 sec duration with 30 sec cd
mild thunder
pre-nerf wings is also as strong as us having both avatar and recklessness
fickle forge
<@278157108791476224>
Why you block me
raven hound
Should’ve popped defensive
spark zenith
Lads I am struggling. I've been 1800 to 2200 3 times now. I don't think I'll make it to 2400.
vestal oxide
same here brother. I wanna FF for S1 😦
elfin surge
spice hornet
Hi
stark reef
Lads I am struggling. I've been 1800 to 2200 3 times now. I don't think I'll mak...
Same - currently 2153.
Today is the day.
spark zenith
I'll have a good run and then have wtf shit or really frustratingly close games.
stark reef
Same, but tbh, it's been less than a month pvping, I think I'll get it done before 05.02 at this pace
Latest addition to the tool-box, feels like it won me a lot of rounds already
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@focus] Storm Bolt
Also this - had to free up a button:
#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast Sharpen Blade
/cast Mortal Strike
changed my mind on sharpen - just macro and forget about it
spark zenith
I've had that for the season
I've found spear to inconsistent so I've gone roar bleeds
stark reef
Using 4 builds atm but sometimes fks me up when I'm to tired
copper hare
Also this - had to free up a button:
#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/cancelaura Bla...
Baaaad
stark reef
Running the wrong one or thinking I have spells I don't have - but also lead to stomps
stark reef
Baaaad
I disagree - I think it's the value play
For shuffle
Not for 2s and 3s
Because there you can set up a go
Shuffle you cannot
copper hare
Doesnt make any sense, enjoy whatever you want
stark reef
Can you elaborate?
It buffs my next MS and guarantees I cast the max amount/round
My thinking is that over 10 rounds this generates more value for less brainspace than manual application
stark reef
I disagree
copper hare
stark reef
I mean give me a reason
mortal marlin
from what I got you want to use sharpen on KT when you're trying to kill them
not just randomly on anyone
just play fury like me and play the piano and win games
stark reef
It's a 30sec CD with a 6sec uptime - I use everything on CD except major defensives, it always lines up with my own burst, I just get bonus casts
copper hare
Ok, you do you
stark reef
Yeah, that's massive
stark reef
Get 2 "perfect casts" or 4 "random ones" - who does more damage?
Given it's not random, it's 3x for every Avatar
Literally lines up perfect
But you can also miss a cast or desynch your CD's
green wyvern
again, sharpen is mostly used as a pseduo cc for enemy healet
when healer comes off a cc chain, you apply sharpen to your target
copper hare
But you can also miss a cast or desynch your CD's
It's 25 sec btw
I dont think he even knows what sharpen does
Whatever
green wyvern
it's ok
stark reef
Ok boys, you got it. It's bad. I just got lucky getting to 2150 rating from 0 in 2 weeks.
It's ok.
🤝
copper hare
Dude you get to 2.4 by just pressing pve rotation
stark reef
Hence the macro - just do PvE rotation
What's the expectation for a new player? 3.5k?
Get real
mild thunder
man i forgot how deranged soloQ players were
stark reef
It's the best
green wyvern
i dont bother
copper hare
I'll unbind it above 3k boys
Why are you even in this discord when you disagree with everything better players tell you
XD
stark reef
I've learned a lot from this discord
mild thunder
i told this guy not to run out of dome while our healer was trapped and the pala was popping wings - no, he was not kiting, he was just running in circles outside of dome, and he spam PM'd me afterwards talking about his r1 titles from wotlk and how lock is a super high IQ spec and that he mains demo
stark reef
Just don't really care about condecending "baaaaad" comments from people trying to tell me that "it's bad because me and the boys in 3s at 3.5k set it up together so do the same in your 2k shuffle games."
If you've ever climbed in a solo-queue environment you know that value beats all
mild thunder
washed up boomers that had a few good runs 10 years ago are always the saltiest players
muted surge
Just don't really care about condecending "baaaaad" comments from people trying ...
You can set up in shuffle as well?
green wyvern
well tbh
muted surge
Yea but you can react to others
green wyvern
fuck that
copper hare
Dude, sharpen is about the 50% healing reduce. That's why you wanna press it situational. That has way more impact than the frikkin 15% more dmg on ms. The correct use of 50% healing reduce at the right time in this meta has some murder impact. Got it now dipshit?
stark reef
Dude, sharpen is about the 50% healing reduce. That's why you wanna press it sit...
Yeah, you can stfu mate
muted surge
Dude, sharpen is about the 50% healing reduce. That's why you wanna press it sit...
Idk why you think your words matter. He got 2.1 in 2 weeks
stark reef
His words don't matter because he feels the need to add "dipshit" - take a shower and touch some grass
green wyvern
new season m+ looking good
mild thunder
new season m+ looking good
not looking forward to uldaman, but everything else is
green wyvern
ye im staying warrior
green wyvern
gonna main fury
copper hare
Uldaman endboss on ptr was spicy af
mild thunder
uldaman is "press w" dungeon
stark reef
Mate I don't care if he's good. Zero fucks given. I've been "good" in 10 games, literally just here to run up the ladder and go play something else. This game isn't hard. Check your ego and touch grass. Nobody cares
muted surge
Seems like you care
stark reef
I care to the extend that people aren't cunts
copper hare
I mean you're acting like the biggest cunt rn
stark reef
I care to exchange opinions, not get some sperg beat his meat on his wow addiction
stark reef
Just re-read it.
muted surge
No
copper hare
Shox is like the explosive affixe
stark reef
If you think I started the flame you need to clean your glasses
muted surge
Shox is like the explosive affixe
Hopefully als retired soon
mild thunder
panties = twisted
muted surge
Finally people can't use their friends as advantage
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Good players can finally shine
stark reef
I mean it's fact - if you think "3s is all skill" you're high on copium
green wyvern
Can't disagree in 2023, kids get their panties all twisted
you can disagree with the general take on how sharpen should be used, but you are still wrong
stark reef
3s is dominated by the people playing together for years
muted surge
If you think that 2.1 in shuffle means anything
muted surge
3s is dominated by the people playing together for years
People pug glad
stark reef
I think it means something from 0 to 2.1k without any prior practice
As in, it shows fast learning
muted surge
No bcs I did. that as well
stark reef
I think 2.1k is a shitshow, like D4 in league
muted surge
And I’m complete shit
stark reef
So am I
mild thunder
2.4 is 1800 equivalent in 3s 🤓
green wyvern
i wouldnt say 2.1k is d4
muted surge
So what does 2.1 mean then
mild thunder
2.1 is silver ngl
muted surge
If we both are shit
stark reef
Have you played in D4? It's 2.1k, I can tell you.
stark reef
Mechanics for more ego is the trade both times
mild thunder
the only one getting an ego for 2.1 is you 
mild thunder
the reason your macro sucks is because you're missing out on extending high-pressure moments on the enemy team
being able to sharpen when a healer is coming out of a stun or before a major heal or when the target is already low is infinitely higher value that sharpening on CD and throwing it out at sperg times