pvp

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge back to retail after reset?

[elfin surge]

a bit ye

[mild thunder]

hopefully ret starts being a lil less popular

[quick carbon]

what r we gonna do when u still auto lose without a ret on ur team

[mild thunder]

idk man, i refuse to queue warr/ret

[quick carbon]

I’m gonna q tsg tommorow

if we get farmed by ret x

So be it

[mild thunder]

im sticking to my kitty cleave - cbf lfging to find anything else

[quick carbon]

dk more alpha

[mild thunder]

feral
dk 🤓

[quick carbon]

no it goes

[lean burrow]

what comp

gigaespi

[simple rock]

https://tenor.com/view/josémourinho-big-trouble-if-i-speak-prefer-not-to-speak-interview-gif-16725048

[lean burrow]

comp with hammer boi

[simple rock]

ret warr rsham lol

[mild thunder]

[simple rock]

but too be fair I hit 2400 before ret patch

then got blasted by rets back down to 2300

[mild thunder]

we'll allow it, congrats man

[lean burrow]

[steep inlet]

ggs espi

[woeful solstice]

congrats brother i am working on the same rn

[simple rock]

games got noticeably easier compared to a few weeks ago

just have to keep pumping and hit some win streaks

[steep inlet]

US or EU ?

[lean burrow]

don't you know the rule

if no mention of region, it's NA

[woeful solstice]

yeah just putting the reps in

even easier after tomorrow

[simple rock]

in NA but from EU

going back soon might be a 150ms gamer

[woeful solstice]

hahaha

[mild thunder]

america-brain

[woeful solstice]

[magic wing]

Its prolly easier to climb in NA right ?

With the brainrot and all

[lean burrow]

brainrot?

[magic wing]

You know how Americans are

[simple rock]

i'm canada brain

slightly better than america

but worse every year

[woeful solstice]

sorry cant hear u over the sound of freedom

[mild thunder]

aussie brain>>>>>>

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-america-usa-im-sorry-i-cant-hear-you-over-the-sound-of-my-freedom-gif-9521927

[magic wing]

The glorious sound of AR-15s

[mild thunder]

You millennial leftists who never lived one day under nuclear threat can now reflect upon your woke sky. You made quite a non-binary fuss to save the world from intercontinental ballistic tweets.

[woeful solstice]

You millennial leftists who never lived one day under nuclear threat can now reflect upon your woke sky. You made quite a non-binary fuss to save the world from intercontinental ballistic tweets.

[mild thunder]

real, elected US representative btw

[woeful solstice]

its all a clown show

[mild thunder]

US politics is a fever dream

[woeful solstice]

majority of the planet is ran by geriatric dorks who can barely use a smartphone

upper age limit should be norm

for elected positions

[mild thunder]

but then POTUS Joseph R. Biden, President Elect, Commander-In-Chief, Slayer of Russia, Saviour of Ukraine, Bane of the Republicans, Harbinger of Inflation wouldn't be president

[woeful solstice]

[magic wing]

Donnie is a legend

The only orange human

[mild thunder]

cringe

[woeful solstice]

yeah the ret lobbies are getting easier to tolerate holy shit

i think arms/spriest/rsham might be the nail in the coffin for countering rets tomorrow btw

[mild thunder]

150k ms

god i fucking love arms

[woeful solstice]

yep feelsgoodman.jpeg

[mild thunder]

For the blind, Arms is the light.
For the hungry, Arms is the bread.
For the thirsty, Arms is the fountain.
For the sick, Arms is the cure.
For the prisoner, Arms is the key.
For the liar, Arms is the truth.
For the traveler, Arms is the way.

[woeful solstice]

gala are you pushing 3s amigo

i think glad is going to be much easier after tuning tomorrow lol

[lean burrow]

now if only blizzard increased season duration

by like 2 weeks at least

[mild thunder]

ofc

banging my head into the wall as kitty cleave

[woeful solstice]

whats ur mmr at rn

[mild thunder]

im too embarrassed to say, we've dropped so omega hard

[woeful solstice]

i played a bit of kittycleave at like 2.1 it was fucking hilarious deleting the fistweaver teams

but its hard against anything else rn

[mild thunder]

we're also tanking atm to bring our healer up on his rsham

[woeful solstice]

brother i have been a serial duelist since legion s7

[mild thunder]

we were playing with hpriest... literally the least meta team in NA right now

[mild thunder]

we're 1900 atm, been fluctuating between 1850-2000+ since ret buffs kekW

[woeful solstice]

priest gonna be good again tomorrow

yeah dude

ret buffs caused me to start fluctuating a bunch lol

[mild thunder]

my feral friend dropped 400 rating as jungle LOL

[woeful solstice]

jfc

[mild thunder]

from 2300 to 1900

[woeful solstice]

id quit

oh my god

[mild thunder]

ye jungle fell off so hard with ret meta

feral in general fell off pretty hard imo... gets tunneled super hard

[woeful solstice]

i really hope s2 goes a bit smoother

[mild thunder]

100%

[woeful solstice]

with ss deflating its gonna be funny seeing the forum posts and copium

"I was 3100 SS S1...barely touching 2.2k now"

[mild thunder]

2.2 is generous

[woeful solstice]

i hope they deflate the fuck out of it so 2.4 actually means something decent in ss

[mild thunder]

maybe

[magic wing]

So even less ppl play it, great

GW2 pvp is more alive at this point

[fresh valve]

why would they play it less lmfao

what else are they gonna do

[fresh valve]

also yea wow pvp is shit

yk things are bad when I'm less stressed out playing PoE than wow pvp

[magic wing]

PvE lol

[fresh valve]

cuz they cant get elite gear?

vicious mounts?

[humble gyro]

whats the best target in disc /rsham- ele - feral?

[lean burrow]

feral?

[old trail]

Boots > lariat for embellishments for arms right?

or is it boots > helm?

[idle falcon]

@fresh valve i did good on the exam :D

[fresh valve]

good job

now push glad

[idle falcon]

XD

Can u even get glad/glad mount in solo shuffle?

[fresh valve]

no

only 3's

[idle falcon]

:P

but i have no friends >_<

[fresh valve]

get some

[teal hedge]

Yeah I gotta work on my PvP

I think I struggle a lot with positioning and getting taken advantage of by long-range-classes

[muted surge]

Just charge

Pop all cds

And charge again

All you gotta do in shuffle

[lean burrow]

yo, I feel retarded, I casted poly on dh but the the game said "immune"

what gives immunity?

nvm, I think plater just doesn't show spellwarding properly

nvm, I am actually retarded, it was glimpse

[teal hedge]

5 wins, +23 rating

[muted surge]

Should be glad that you got rating at all

[teal hedge]

Was gonna get 6 wins but then the mage decides it's time to stand still infront of the hunter and not do anything

[muted surge]

You gotta work on your uptime tho

[teal hedge]

Yeah

Don't really know how though

[muted surge]

Dont forget to apply hamstring all thr time :)

[teal hedge]

Charging between targets just to apply rend seems a little silly

Oh yeah, hamstring prio nr 1

[muted surge]

And if someone runs away, hit the closest target

Until you can engage the main again

Dont just stand around sucking toes

[muted surge]

Yea dont

Rend isnt high dmg

And you want to keep charge to actual engage

[teal hedge]

Yeah

Fighting that mage was nightmarish

He kept pushing me away and slowing me

And charge was on cooldown the entire fight, so was leap

[muted surge]

Idk I still dont like mage as a main target

[teal hedge]

Mage was really bad, so we targetted him

[vapid tartan]

finally hit 2k ty for all the help yall

[teal hedge]

Congratulations!

[bright stream]

another 100 rating mate for the enchant

[vapid tartan]

Yeah was kinda stuck at 1800 for a bit so it might take longer for 2100 lol

[teal hedge]

I cannot believe this

I am back in ELO hell

Where teammates rage, break LoS and don't pop cds

[lean burrow]

i just got 1.8k on mage

giga cringe seeing warriors and rets everywhere

[magic wing]

The enchant sucks tho

Rather go 2.4 for weaps

[bright stream]

as long as you've got the gear and can get enough games in, it's in the bag mate

[bright stream]

wild take - this seasons enchant is easily my favourite PvP illusion

imo it's even quite good with the warrior theme

[woeful solstice]

Games not much diff 1800-2100 ss

Keep improving 1% you’ll hit it

If ur not watching ur matches back you are leaving free rating on the table

[bright stream]

not worthwhile at that rating tbh

unles you're dying in 30 minute queues

[muted surge]

That’s really wild

Considering it looks like shit

[bright stream]

you're outta your mind
even if you're one of those bozos that likes the red/green blobs from years ago, it's still easily the 3rd best looking pvp enchant

[muted surge]

Maybe I haven’t seen any tmog that it fits in

But the effects are just lacking, if it would be only thr lightning, yea its alright, but the wind thing ruins it

[bright stream]

it looks quite good on a lot of simple weapons

[magic wing]

Yeah doesnt match the armor at all

[quaint snow]

nah its actually pretty nice, i like it

[bright stream]

https://i.imgur.com/6sBWtwZ.png

just a quick example, looks clean as

way better than dreadflame or primal victory, which are decent, but all 4 Slands enchants were rank garbage

[quaint snow]

im on your side wolf

🤝

[bright stream]

deadset, the cosmetics for season 1 this expac, are probably the best looking we've had since some of the warlords sets

[magic wing]

Legion

Best sets all over

[bright stream]

DK's made out like bandits that expac, warriors came up pretty dry imo

[magic wing]

Antorus and ToS elite remain best warrior sets of all time

[bright stream]

huge fan of this, and the current 1

[magic wing]

Its dec but doesnt pop so much

Shame I didnt pvp that season

Only armor that matches Taeshalach perfectly

[rapid shore]

one of my fav, sadly didn't play wod :(

[vestal oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/meeting-bored-office-spaces-asleep-drowsy-gif-5385105

1900 SS CR ATM , Queue are 40 min long and still counting ....

[mortal elm]

How can i find a rbg communiy

which is at 1k range or smt

Soloq healer is clownfest, soloq dps takes too much time

i wanna take 1 vicious saddle

or 3v3ing is more worth than rbgs?

[muted surge]

Rbg is pugging until higher rating

Or you look at forums

[obsidian loom]

Vs demo are we even supposed to play unhinged anymore?

Fucking zoo

I feel like you're better off with ep or something else

Amplify curse is also pretty awful

[mortal elm]

Hmm I see

do you think which one is the fastest way to fill the bar

3v3, solo shuffle or rbgs

as dps

[mortal elm]

I never played unhinged vs pet classes

[frosty nexus]

i swear solo queue time has got way worse but i guess we're close to season end

must just be loads of people hitting 2400 then never queueing again

[bright stream]

first 6-8 weeks, and then 2nd and 3rd last week of season are when most people are playing

go hard, hit your goals, and then maybe pop back in for a bit at the end

right now the ret thing is probably pushing people away a lot too

[frosty nexus]

yea ngl i havent queued in weeks

[bright stream]

doesnt help that there's nothing in ss to play for after 2400 either

[muted surge]

R1 :)

[sharp meteor]

there's like a 1k cr range between rewards

half hour queues also kind of demoralizing

[sharp meteor]

legion elite sets went hard

[obsidian loom]

For sure

Last good xpac mog

[bright stream]

I thought about going hard on it at the start of the season but just couldn't be bothered - though that was before the account changes blizzard made and getting busy with life

[exotic storm]

You really think we’ll see more rets after today? More dps nerfs going thru

[sharp meteor]

no more tuning for rest of season probably

i could see more ret adjustments next season tho

[spice hornet]

Why is a demo allowed to nearly perma amp curse of weak me all game

Lock in general

[sharp meteor]

because avg warlock player dies opener

[spice hornet]

Lo

[mild thunder]

i bloody hope so

even with the crit nerfs, they have a defensive and utility toolkit that can dampen and delay games to eternity if needed

[sharp meteor]

ya surprised they let that go live

ret actually just drags every game out

an extra few minutes

because they themselves couldn't die

and prevented teammates from dying

the counterplay was "hope they don't press" and "just find your own ret" lmao

[mild thunder]

i really dont like how they handled this weeks' tuning as well - they focused on numbers as opposed to the stupidly low CDs

[sharp meteor]

idk how they tune the cd for ret

as it's in the pala tree isn't it

[mild thunder]

just add an extra 30sec CD in pvp

but only for ret

ez

[sharp meteor]

also watch dp and sac nerf somehow affect the other specs lmaoo

hpal in eternal shambles

[mild thunder]

probably, it is a smol indie company after all

but ye, DP and sac both should have been made at least 90s instead of hitting numbers

judge dispel needs to be removed for ret entirely

after that i think they're okay

[quaint snow]

are the ret nerfs live already on eu? Or tmrw?

[frosty nexus]

tomorrow

[spice hornet]

Isn’t eu reset in Wednesday

[mild thunder]

eu

[spice hornet]

Eu

[fallen agate]

Arms
vers>haste=crit>mastery
does this apply to enchants and gems aswell? use vers on all of them or do we go our choice of haste/crit on those?

and weapon sophic devotion?

[muted surge]

there are ret nerfs comming ?

[fallen agate]

yeah. warriors untouched.

[muted surge]

why did i lose 200 points this wekk then kek

guess i stop queueing for today

[idle falcon]

ok @fresh valve i timed both ruby and nokhud +20

now push glad?

:D

[viscid pecan]

very noob question

but how do i get a tier set in pvp ?

[fallen agate]

same place you get your other tier pieces. you just convert a pvp item, conquest or honor item

the "converts to ilvl 424 in pvp" does not get removed when converting, but stats change and it will be set piece. sadly gems get removed.

[woeful solstice]

no

[quaint snow]

also tanked 200 the past two weeks xD

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/judgemental-aristocrat-volturi-gif-23598881

[stark reef]

Lost 300 in 2 days

[woeful solstice]

gained 200 last night

in 3s

[stark reef]

🤏🏽

[woeful solstice]

2450 mmr bubba this mount will be mine

[stark reef]

Imagine having friends in game

🤣

[woeful solstice]

LFG grind wasnt easy but now i have like 10 tags im down to play with constantly

hoping i can take this to next season as well and snag that mount

[stark reef]

Next season it's time for R1 in shuffle

[woeful solstice]

i might still go for r1 shuffle if im not even close to r1 3s

[stark reef]

I mean 3k shuffle is pretty much like 3s, no?

[woeful solstice]

r1 cutoff for 3s is so fucking low im gonna go for it

imagine my first gladiator is r1

[stark reef]

3s with the added spice of no comms

[obsidian loom]

Blizzard had a great season that they just shit on with retmeta

[woeful solstice]

it wasnt that great

lol

3s was so fucking dead dude

at least during this we have games happening

[stark reef]

I seriously wish they fix the queues

[woeful solstice]

i remember before 10.0.7 i'd log on like a friday afternoon and there was 6-7 groups in lfg

[obsidian loom]

Because their cr inflation is traumatized by s2 sl being so overinflated

[woeful solstice]

yes

[stark reef]

Just put in bot healers

[obsidian loom]

I'd prefer bot heals

[woeful solstice]

yeah ret was busted but we had like 5x the amount of groups in lfg playing LOL

[stark reef]

Probably better anyways

[woeful solstice]

got people playing again

combine that with the season end being announced and 3s feels as alive as it did the first couple months

[stark reef]

5min queue, if it doesn’t pop give me a bot and let’s go

[woeful solstice]

so as usual, best time to play is beginning and end of a season

[obsidian loom]

Bot heals will probably use their CDs

[woeful solstice]

i wasnt queing 3s until like 2 weeks ago, yeeted straight to 2100 and been kinda pingponging a bit

[obsidian loom]

I can't tell you how many times I'm tapped on defensives and the god damn rsham is holding onto link

[woeful solstice]

i cri everytime

[obsidian loom]

"why didn't you leap"

Listen you little shit, ret is a holy mage now

[stark reef]

Love it when healers hold CDs for the next round

“Oh look, enemy team popped everything. Take this flash heal brother.”

[obsidian loom]

But healing stream totem was up

How could this happen

[woeful solstice]

oh boy i cant wait for the streamer tierlist garbage content hitting my youtube feed today

"TOP COMPS FOR GLADIATOR 10.0.7"

[stark reef]

“Why did you go in?”

“Ehm. I’m meele?”

[obsidian loom]

Supateases tier lists are Jim Cramer level dogshit

[stark reef]

“Man you have to kite the demo lock.”

[stark reef]

“Just kite bro.”

[obsidian loom]

[woeful solstice]

i hope tsg is good after today

one of my fav comps to play

[obsidian loom]

Soijack venruki is an RMP apologist

[woeful solstice]

[obsidian loom]

I have an ele friend who can zug enh

I might try some turbo

Lavalash is low-key busted

[woeful solstice]

turbo prob gonna be nutty

DK being buffed means turbo is good if DK is relevant

wow im so shocked:

[obsidian loom]

Do zoomers consume this

Does it have a glad carry service advertised too

Remember when maldiva got permaed for rmt and blizz let him play again for some reason

[woeful solstice]

i dont think blizz can stop it lol

[obsidian loom]

@elfin surge why weren't you banned

[woeful solstice]

banning rmt would prob ban 1/3rd of the ladder at this point LOL

[stark reef]

Someone’s gotta pay for the 18hr/day schedule

[woeful solstice]

i think after that big banwave in sl s2 that hit a bunch of innocent people they are gonna be real reluctant

but they got that one carry site knocked out so who knows

[elfin surge]

why would i be banned

[obsidian loom]

For being too cool for school

[elfin surge]

😎

[stark reef]

RMT is the bread and butter of high level PvE & PvP

[elfin surge]

yeah its sad

[obsidian loom]

Worldofpvp says it doesn't exist 🙂

Gitgud

[stark reef]

I mean tbh, it’s like that every game and if you’re good at something and someone is willing to pay for your services, I don’t see the problem

[sharp meteor]

queuing into same people every season doing rmt selfplays

most don't even need to make a new acc

[woeful solstice]

yeah im gonna be devils advocate here and agree

[sharp meteor]

lot of their buyers had their mounts yoinked tho lmao

curious to see how hard they crack down this season

[obsidian loom]

Modern mp gaming is pretty dogshit, but relativism kills the enjoyment

I guess it is gitgud at some level

[woeful solstice]

i saw a fucking devastation evoker hardstuck at 1600 in solo shuffle but he had glad mount

[obsidian loom]

[woeful solstice]

pilot is ez ban

[obsidian loom]

S2 SL

[sharp meteor]

truly defying the stereotype

psure i almost always see pilots get nuked

[idle falcon]

maybe he did it on an alt?

[woeful solstice]

nope he had the games on that evoker

2400

[idle falcon]

o

[woeful solstice]

i posted it in here

[idle falcon]

xD

[woeful solstice]

here

[stark reef]

Shuffle is harder confirmed

[woeful solstice]

[stark reef]

[obsidian loom]

RBG rating gives it away

[woeful solstice]

every fucking time

[stark reef]

I like his 2s rating

[obsidian loom]

I haven't met a more disgusting corner of the internet than RBG mains

[sharp meteor]

ah yes honor 50 900 games at 1400 shuffle and 50-50 glad wins at 2400

[stark reef]

He played the shuffle games first and then bought a new gamer chair

[woeful solstice]

yup this happens in pve too pretty badly

i used to sell CM Gold during MOP and WOD for gold

and a ton of people wanted to pay me cash

said hell no gimme dat gold

[sharp meteor]

i like how they try to play games later

then immediately stop

[woeful solstice]

LMAO

hahahaha

[obsidian loom]

Lmfao

[stark reef]

Hahaha

[obsidian loom]

Took a month to muster queue anxiety

[sharp meteor]

i had a buddy who'd play league accounts and a lot of buyers were like return customers

because they'd get boosted then play and tank

then get boosted again

then get "unlucky"

and need another boost

[woeful solstice]

yeah..vicious cycle

[sharp meteor]

like boiii

[woeful solstice]

thats wild

just like

get a new hobby

[obsidian loom]

Do they convert cheevs into dates with girls or something

[stark reef]

It’s like people buying boosts in league

[woeful solstice]

or be ok with not being high elo

[stark reef]

Then they’re high Diamond with gold experience

[obsidian loom]

E-thot economy runs on glad mounts

[idle falcon]

honestly feels better to reach 1800 yourself than to get carried

feels like an achievement :D

[woeful solstice]

[idle falcon]

same with glad

[sharp meteor]

honestly getting carried probs fastest way to improve so i don't blame people for trying it at least once

[woeful solstice]

self play yeah prob

[sharp meteor]

i play with friend who has never pvp'd before and just structure games in such a way that they just get to spam damage and

[obsidian loom]

Coaching is fine I guess

[sharp meteor]

it's a really good time

[woeful solstice]

pilot is fucking awful

like

[sharp meteor]

o ya

[woeful solstice]

WHY are you playing

[sharp meteor]

i think a lot of people just need that initial framework

[woeful solstice]

pay to play game, pay someone else to play game for you

[sharp meteor]

of like cd trading and whatnot

wow pvp kind of nebulous relative to pve

[woeful solstice]

yeah tbh if i started out in legion with coaching id prob be multiglad by now

[idle falcon]

i just started this season too :D

[woeful solstice]

i had to deal with so much shit

and learning

[sharp meteor]

u don't know why u died 30 seconds in like u do in pvp where u stood in swirly ya feels

[woeful solstice]

unguided

[idle falcon]

never played PvP before

[woeful solstice]

i played like 1000 games to hit 2k in 3s legion just for that elite warrior set

i was SO bad

[sharp meteor]

ya its go in with glad friend to get elite set and basically go up 200 exp in one sitting off what they say/do

nothin clicks faster

than playing with somebody better

[woeful solstice]

legit happened to me during SL S1

[stark reef]

Tbh I’d rather pay a better guild to raid with than spend the time with a worse guild wiping and hearing spergs lose their marbels

[woeful solstice]

i was playing with a really good multiglad mage

we did discord and qued a few nights and it was like a permanent +300 mmr for me ever since

[idle falcon]

724 games here for 1825

[sharp meteor]

had never played rogue much and somebody was like just let team know when u kidney and each kidney is cross onto healer plus offensive cd on kidney'd guy

and went up to like 2500 2s and 2700 3s in a month

felt so cooked that it just hadn't quite clicked for me

but then again that's bfa assa

[woeful solstice]

wait u grinded elite set in 3s instead of ss?

[sharp meteor]

ya when you don't know what to change it's just throwing body at games

[idle falcon]

SS

[woeful solstice]

looking back i was probably dr'ing stuns, not crossing, shit damage

[idle falcon]

xD

[woeful solstice]

[idle falcon]

actually might be rounds idk

[woeful solstice]

yeah rounds not games

[stark reef]

Prob rounds

[woeful solstice]

ss is counted by rounds

in your history

700 rounds roughly 115 matches

times that by an avg 25 min que

47 hours

just in que

[stark reef]

I did 800 rounds on fury to 2k and then did 80 rounds on arms to 2.1k

Lesson: just play what’s good

[woeful solstice]

thats why i hate solos

[idle falcon]

i played arms 700 rounds

rest fury

am 1800 now

xd

lesson

get gud

[stark reef]

Fury is so much more fun

[idle falcon]

yessir

[stark reef]

Initially I wanted 1800 but now it looks like I can push 2400 so I’ll see if that’s true

My yolo strats not working as well anymore though, so now I actually have to swap targets to win rounds

[vapid ruin]

yea

shaman new ret

[teal hedge]

I'M SICK

Oh my god

Hunter spent all game throwing

He's on his way to die

I charge da shaman, hit him wit da funny cds and obliterate him

[idle falcon]

xd

"funny cd's"

[teal hedge]

We're back to climbing

[copper hare]

I'll be honest, if you're at this mmr, stop blaming the other people constantly

like blaming people on 1.5k mmr for playing bad is pretty pathetic

[teal hedge]

I see what you're aiming at, but you have got to realise the plays that occur.

And I'm in no way discrediting my own mistakes, refer to my previous chats.

But seeing people rage and throw is extremely demoralising.

I mean, I've posted my gameplay, I am making a conscious effort to improve my gameplay.

Is a geat not allowed to complain?

[fallen agate]

there's gatekeepers everywhere. you are allowed to share you experience, no matter what MMR you're playing at.

[teal hedge]

He was swearing in spanish and ran in without turtle all game 💔

[copper hare]

Yeah but people are on this mmr for a reason, most of them don't even know better

[teal hedge]

Well yeah! And I'm no pro-gamer™️ but it can get a little demoralising dropping because a teammate gets angry or doesn't know any better, even with positive feedback.

[fallen agate]

but at 1500MMR you can also expect people to play badly, so yeah...expect them to throw your games and play good when your opponent, it's a given. move on and next game they are good with you and bad as opponents, don't get triggered is best recommendation when playing through that mmr bracket

[teal hedge]

Like, anything as simple as "Try to stay within LoS of the healer, I'll help keep you alive best as I can" can set some people off.

[teal hedge]

Yeah, thankfully queues are long enough for frustration to not build up

But I've got some issues with getting dísorientated and not having good uptime, but besides that I can carry out the status quo, I think.

But yeah, I hope to hit 1800 cr before the new season drops.

Also, you're right, I should check my toxicity and not complain about others' mistake when I make flawed plays all of the time, just the time-sink part being pretty depressing.

Though I do need some advice, many times when I target hunters/evokers they just run away endlessly and I end up exhausting my charges and getting kited. What should I do in order to play around this?

[stark reef]

This is the hardest with healers. If you’re with the worse healer the first three rounds it’s really tough to get your mental back for the next 3

[teal hedge]

I never flame healers 😎

[stark reef]

I always do

[teal hedge]

So real

[stark reef]

Can’t stand healers

Reminds me of support mains in league

[stark reef]

As ADC main support mains are pure pain

[fallen agate]

i've mained devoker for the first half of the season and warriors can definately keep up with movement. just never overuse your charges. i haven't played my warrior yet, just finished leveling.

[teal hedge]

Yeah, that might be it.

[stark reef]

Always the worst player in the game, elo inflated, backseat gaming whilst pressing one CD every 20 seconds and literally attached to your back

[teal hedge]

I often times charge in and they I get cc'd and then charge to keep pressure up, but then the evoker just books it and I'm left with having to walk and tank a disintegrate

[obsidian loom]

Meirl

[stark reef]

🤝

The fact that you have time to watch me play and tell me what I should do after the round tells me all I need to know

[fallen agate]

if for some reason you can't keep up with devoker then swap to other target until you have charge or jump back and then swap again. uptime is important

[teal hedge]

Yeah, uptime is my main issue, I think

And sometimes I get really disorientated by mob-health etc and lose track of the characters

[fallen agate]

turn off pet healthbars

[teal hedge]

Is that possible?

[teal hedge]

My saviour

[fallen agate]

i only have totem healthbars turned on, that's an option in plater though, not standard ui. it would be good to see hunter pet health too, but i cba to see DK and WL pets hp bars, so i have pets turned off completely. not something pros would do, but i ain't that either

[teal hedge]

That's real

I'm gonna get a bunch of alts when +50% xp rolls around, I think

And hopefully that gives me some more insights to PvP as a whole, considering the only thing I'm familiar with is my own class

NOOO TANK ARENA

[fallen agate]

at some point you might want to see shaman totems to kill them, but you probably have lots of stuff to still work on

[teal hedge]

I punch the totems when they trap me

[fallen agate]

kill healing tide and streams aswell. and the warlock totem, the green one.

[teal hedge]

large bars also help oml

Oh okay

Do I have to auto-attack them or can I kill em with abilities?

[fallen agate]

abilities is faster. just not the good ones. use whatever that purple abilitiy is called, the filler ability

[teal hedge]

Slam?

I use rend

[fallen agate]

if it works then i guess it's fine? no clue, like i said, haven't played my warrior in DF yet.

[teal hedge]

That's fair

Climbing back up though!

Sadly queues are longer around 1,5k to 1,6k

[lean burrow]

hunters got Master's Call, basically like paladin's freedom

evokers got Hover, also freedom

stun them, do you burst, then if they are running with freedom swap to other target

[fresh valve]

yea

do that

[lean burrow]

for totems use heroic throw if low hp like skyfury/counter strike

overpower/rend/ms for healing stream/tide

can also hamstring low hp totems

[teal hedge]

Oh right! I have to bind heroic throw

Been putting that off

Also oughta bind hamstring to my charge, are there any drawbacks to this?

[stark reef]

No, if you use it right not really

You have to press it twice anyways

[fresh valve]

self/play > ret/warr

[stark reef]

So if you don’t want it don’t press it twice

[teal hedge]

Holy moly

Could you link this?

[fresh valve]

that one dude we called out disappeared

[teal hedge]

Thingken of recordin nother gameplay....

[fresh valve]

quit wow go play another shitty game

like path of exile

[teal hedge]

Overwatch is getting a new patch today, so that's prolly where I'm headed

[idle falcon]

XD

[obsidian loom]

Watching venruki get farmed by retwarr still playing mage/demo warms my heart

He logged mage to go WW lmao

[woeful solstice]

Ofc

Just like admit it bro

Nobody cares if you self play just don’t act like you didn’t

Ridiculous

[elfin surge]

ret war is a primitive comp

real wars dont q it

[woeful solstice]

Bruh I’m trash let me get glad ret/war in peace

Pls

[elfin surge]

[stark reef]

Playing war is primitive

[woeful solstice]

Don’t comp shame me my first glad season pls

[elfin surge]

ret war gaming

[woeful solstice]

I can’t take it anymore

[elfin surge]

im comp shaming

[woeful solstice]

U slut

Btw I’m like fully onboard with the sks build as my primary build now

Getting a huge 150k hit almost every 30s is wild

[elfin surge]

sks not bad

[woeful solstice]

Yeah it feels nice

[elfin surge]

its weird to use

[magic wing]

primitive is good

[woeful solstice]

Has some clunk but I’ve adjusted

[elfin surge]

me no like

[magic wing]

let me smash things

zug zug mfs

[woeful solstice]

Thunderclap sks build

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-type-gif-25956183

[stark reef]

PvP players installing Gladiolasso when you can just put this on instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzmcbLX0CZQ&ab_channel=harvo

[woeful solstice]

Wow it’s me

I’m the gif

[stark reef]

This is me and my Bladestorm macro:

[woeful solstice]

YES

With doom music playing

[stark reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQmIBHObtCs&ab_channel=DoomSlayer

🤣

"You want to join discord?"

"Nah, I'm good."

[unique fox]

skullsplitter talents should reapply rend after you cast

[woeful solstice]

Bro it already deletes people

Don’t give us a reason to get nerfed

[unique fox]

yeah but the rotation feels like dogshit

[woeful solstice]

[unique fox]

just wish it wasnt so clunky to use because it is fun

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/crusader3455-crusader-gif-26554983

[teal hedge]

Love this guy

The miestro

[elfin surge]

is it safe to q today

[teal hedge]

Queueing has been relaxing

[unique fox]

Only one way to find out

[teal hedge]

Had some really good games in a row! Getting my rank back.

[elfin surge]

im tryna q some tsg

[sharp meteor]

ret still best spec in the game

[elfin surge]

[unique fox]

Deleting fistweavers in 2s but gettting mongo'd by BM hunters

[stark reef]

My honest reaction to the marksman hunter on the enemy team:

[teal hedge]

Put some respect on the Khan's name

[elfin surge]

if tsg countered ret war again

its over

im qn my 8 wars

[teal hedge]

What's tsg?

[unique fox]

@elfin surge me too but theres not a single freaking DK in LFG

bout to go hit up the DK discord to do some networking

[elfin surge]

dk war

[teal hedge]

Donkey kong warrior

[elfin surge]

im in there

[teal hedge]

But what does tsg mean

[unique fox]

the super gosu's, name of the team that popularized it i think

[elfin surge]

its the name of the team that won blizzcon as it

[teal hedge]

Öh ok

I'm gonna level up a bunch of alts as soon as +50% xp hits

But how do you villains cope with tilt?

(That's you, MUD and Nerd)

[elfin surge]

i only win

[unique fox]

Tilting is counter productive to owning noobs so i just try to remain cool and examine my own losses. Chances are I'm fucking something up.

[teal hedge]

So real

[unique fox]

Spam enough games and you stop caring as well

It's like ladder anxiety, just gotta queue it up til youre numb

[teal hedge]

In the ideal world I would remain humble but sometimes I get a little frustrated

[unique fox]

FR if you're not recording your games you should be, you'll always find something you can do better

[elfin surge]

i dont tilt, i fall into a deep depression after tanking cr and I wont stop stressing about it until it's recovered.

[teal hedge]

Yeah, I ought to be recording my games more often.

Oh did the paladin nerf just drop?

[magic wing]

you want more haste or crit with bleed build ?

[teal hedge]

Pretty sure haste is prioritised.

[obsidian loom]

If you want some depression: your UI needs updating, get to it

Time to manually fix it

[teal hedge]

Oh btw, what's the opener for the bleed build? @elfin surge

I do the funny charge > stun > avatar > colossus > sharpen+ms

Then I hamstring, troar and bladestorm

[sharp meteor]

teh super gosus, the name of a team who played dk/warr/hpal i think it was back in wotlk

now tsg refers to dk/warr with x healer

[obsidian loom]

Is skullsplitter busted?

[sharp meteor]

it seems good just kind of uhh clunky

although its ticks so don't do it in earthen

or it does nothing lmao

[magic wing]

I try to roar asap after colossus avatar

[dark sparrow]

Oh really? I thought it was short for ten second game lmao

[unique fox]

Anyone tried skullsplitter spear with crit?

[stark reef]

Did we say no dot builds into resto-shaman?

Due to earthen wall?

[magic wing]

I like bleed too much to swap off now

[stark reef]

I mean I just don't do damage into resto-shamans

[sharp meteor]

roar and bleeds in general do nothing into earthen yeah

and they can move earthen

was tempted to try spear with slam stuff and just go rsham vs retwarrs

[stark reef]

I can see it - point out of rend into improved slam or sks

[magic wing]

the weapon is prolly a big upgrade right ? I have 418 rn

[stark reef]

will try this - out of rend, into sks, use sks on cd during overpower & MS

[stark reef]

I did droptimizer sims - obviously not perfect but it gives you an idea if you just sim your gear against pvp gear

[magic wing]

does that sim the pvp ilvl tho ?

[stark reef]

no

I assumed your other gear was PvP gear

Then do stat-weights

[magic wing]

I have a couple pve pieces still

[stark reef]

But long story short, weapon is big upgrade, yes, assuming you have verse on and decent ilvl on other pieces

If your weapon has verse and is 418 and you have other stuff in the 405 range with no verse i'd replace that

But that's just me guessing

[magic wing]

I still have the blue stun trinket but that shit only adds a couple str right

[stark reef]

tried sks, hits like a truck but i can't play it yet

[magic wing]

jesus all caster lobbys are a fucking pain

[stark reef]

Just had one, literally just tanked the damage, los'd and the caster on my team won the rounds. pain.

[woeful solstice]

go blood and thunder, replace rend with thunderclap, line your SKS with your csmash

easy 140k hits every 30ish seconds

sweeping strikes it into a melee cleave

heres my build

can adjust as needed, drop unhinged for imp execute against demo lock, etc.

feels weird not having a capstone but fatality kinda sucks when not running the execute enhancing talents anyways

can also go massacre

perks of this build, you should never rage starve if spreading rend out with bnt and you also get some sweet self healing

fueled by violence was matching my IP healing by about 50-60%

higher into demo lock/cleaves

[stark reef]

I see - I have to get used to the new button

Ran this into mm, bm, afli lock

I love the fact that these trees give so many options - blizzard def did well here

[stark reef]

blood and thunder applies rend to people without anyone rended before?

or spreads it?

[muted surge]

It applies it

Fueled by violence doesn’t include rend

And you don’t rage starve anyway

Execute talents do not influence fatality, you would press it anyway

It just helps to finish a target off

[woeful solstice]

applies it

[woeful solstice]

it works well in sks build is what im leaning towards

[muted surge]

You take that talent anyway

No matter if you play sks or not

[woeful solstice]

eh ive seen some wars not run it

at decent mmr

[muted surge]

Good reasoning

[woeful solstice]

[tranquil hemlock]

I’m still climbing with fury somehow 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[stark reef]

What rating?

It's def possible

Just not as good as arms

Sks is amazing - i feel like once I have this down it will be a big gain

[woeful solstice]

yep its fantastic

big pumpa

[nimble prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIqsVUuSEJ8

[teal hedge]

Wait, should I run skullkrusher?

[stark reef]

It complicates your rotation by a bit

[woeful solstice]

don't take this personally

but absolutely the fuck not

if you're still struggling with pvp basics the last thing you want to do is complicate your rotation up

you want rotation to be so autopilot that you glance at your bars to check cooldowns and return to watching the match itself

[teal hedge]

Aight, I'll focus on improving my uptime then

[woeful solstice]

youll get much more value out of being better at the more trad builds and improving in other areas than trying to squeeze out another few % in dmg from a clunkier build

[unique fox]

Spear and crit build is perfectly good and more simple to execute

[woeful solstice]

yup or roar/bleed build, either one is great

sks has its uses and might edge out more dmg if you're really good at it but i wouldnt stress over it

hi bobby

DK is just warriors edgy goth brother

we're still bros

[unique fox]

DK seems fun but I have a hard time adjusting to not having charge

[woeful solstice]

you do it's just backwards

[unique fox]

not currently

i dont know if its evolved beyond a 2 button rotation

[exotic storm]

yo ragebro's- does any1 know which addon we need to get to be able to have icons drop on the screen when spells like war banner is used or psyfiend? ive seen Bajheera play multiple times but never got an answer- he drops war banner and it has a skill icon next to the flag, likewise for the priest psyfiend. Like it lets you know its been dropped if you have name plates turned off cuz of those obnoxious demo pets

[tranquil hemlock]

@stark reef a little above 2234

Would like to get 2400 we’ll see if not I’ll get it on arms

[stark reef]

That's nice

Yeah, fury does hit hard, made it to 2k myself but then went arms

Loving this build right now:
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERSSSSKlSSAAAAAJEJiGJAR0okIwBoIRIBIJRCAAAAAAAAJRCAANEA

Only thing I change is Unhinged vs. no pets and Bloodletting vs. pets.

Would almost run this into anything tbh

[undone pumice]

my hungry ass could never play a gnome

[fresh valve]

gnomes were better with the old models

[stark reef]

100%

Had R14 gnome in classic

[bright stream]

how are the ret changes?

[stark reef]

Feels manageable now

Still oneshots but haven’t seen them do it in the first 10sec

Second go is more dangerous when peoples CDs are desynched

The tilter was the 10sec oneshot through all CDs on the open

[woeful solstice]

im going gnome s2

unless feral/assa is god tier again

[stark reef]

https://youtu.be/Kygl53I64GE

Most fun I’ve ever had in WoW PvP

[magic wing]

Why gnome ? Isnt the trinket shit removed in s2 ?

So back to orc masterrace

[stark reef]

300 horde players with world buffs deleted

[teal hedge]

Rammstein as well

Holy based

I saw them this summer in Gothenburg

2022, that is

[vapid tartan]

What is the proc chance on insignia of alacrity

[obsidian loom]

ret still strong as fuck boy

wheres all these frost mages coming from

[sharp meteor]

barely notice the nerfs

[sharp meteor]

awc was a lot of demo/frost

[obsidian loom]

i dont even think they're in

[sharp meteor]

so probs seeing a lot of that

[obsidian loom]

i had double ret demo

ret demo bm

ret frost bm

im getting gutted by these comps

[spice hornet]

Yeah I feel like I’m perma dead into Cupid as a warrior

Legit unfun

[mild thunder]

it was legit just another slap on the wrist

[woeful solstice]

disarm -> vene parry first ret go

can prob disarm -> vene rally/kite 2nd ret go

stop qq'ing it's not that bad

just respect the rets damage and play around it

warrior shits all over ret now after nerfs

[mild thunder]

that's very wishful thinking... intervening at the wrong time is just a death sentence for you, rally is not enough to mitigate wings and disarm is not enough when it lasts 23 seconds

[woeful solstice]

it's been working for me

[mild thunder]

don't you also play with a ret though?

[woeful solstice]

not always

vene+parry is safe

2nd go yeah i can agree

[mild thunder]

if you're playing with another ret that also bops + sacs + off-heals and whatever else, it's a bit different

[woeful solstice]

right

it makes it way more forgiving

[mild thunder]

intervene + parry only lasts 3 seconds, disarm is another ~6... that's still 13 seconds left on wings lol

it's doable, sure, but it's not a walk in the park

[woeful solstice]

right, but if you've stopped the coordinated go, that's big impact

or at least misaligned their go

[mild thunder]

ret does not need coordination to kill

esp if you're playing with another squishy/low utility spec like feral

which is wild times when feral feels low utility into ret/warr lmao

[woeful solstice]

seriously

never thought we'd be saying that

[mild thunder]

ye it's pretty dumb

[stark reef]

my strat is to just parry and try to do so much damage to the ret that he has to think about his own healthbar

Just go max burst on ret

I honestly feel arms burst can match ret now

open csmash, bolt, avatar + spear w/ unhinged, rend, skullsplitter, bladestorm again with unhinged, MS, execute spam

[hazy isle]

yea ret is more tolerable

i think arms is better imo

[idle falcon]

question

best arms build?

for low rating

1500-1800

[stark reef]

Prob pinned one tbh

Spear of Bastion + Mortal Strike focus
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWikEJEJpUKJBAAAAkQkIakAERjSiAHgiEhEgkEJAAAAAAAAEpkcgIAQBB

Thunderous Roar + No Skullsplitter
BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgWikEJkkkSpkEAAAAQQkIQCQENKJJSSoIRIBgDEJAAAAAAAAkkSCAAFEA

[unique fox]

Disarm on wings does seem quite good when they pop execution sentence with it

[quick carbon]

Press duel monkey

[quick carbon]

I’m 95% sure skullsplitter is the best build no cap

[stark reef]

Yeah, feeling that way

[mild thunder]

my feral got W keyed by a ret through duel yesterday

i luv game

[stark reef]

But not for 1500 - 1800 imo

[quick carbon]

were u ontop of the ret

During duel

[mild thunder]

like 10-15 yardsish

[stark reef]

Managing bleeds at 1500 a bit of an overkill

[quick carbon]

U mean

Doing your rotation

And pressing rend before u hit skullsplitter?

That isn’t managing bleeds

That’s using 1/4th of ur brain

[mild thunder]

we're warriors

we dont have brains

[stark reef]

This is all you need at 1500:

#showtooltip Avatar
/use 14
/cast Sharpen Blade
/cast [@cursor] Spear of Bastion
/cast Avatar

[spice hornet]

\

[stark reef]

Is there anyway to target obelisk other than literally clicking on it?

There are 300 imps covering it

“Just kill the obelisk.”

[unique fox]

disable your imp name plates

[stark reef]

Yeah, i had those disabled, just added these back in to show plates:

Fel Obelisk
Psyfiend
Spirit Link Totem
Healing Stream Totem
Static Field Totem

[pale minnow]

Well then tell us a better solution, i saw flaws in parry intervene too because after parry is over with a swap on you, you'll hit the floor real fast

Duel is weird feels like it's not 50% at all, but some bs

But here is how things shall go vs ret warr, disarm warrior on colossus, duel pala on wings bolt healer and start pumping on ret, avatar + colossus insta bs to avoid disarm.

[indigo barn]

Duel, and when he swaps, pull out the shield block

[stark reef]

bruv

just kill the ret

[vapid tartan]

Is the reason you take honed reflexes over concussive blows for the overpower cd reduction? Also if I want to run fatality would it be worth swapping exhilarating blows for either massacre or improved execute?

[spice hornet]

I dislike unhinged I wish they put something else instead of that whack talent

[vapid tartan]

Guessing massacre would be better to sks burst in to execute to try and surprise the healer?

[woeful solstice]

i dont think ive seen anyone not take honed?

also the two side talents (wrecking/shatter) (conc/sidearm) are very comp dependant

i swap those around almost every game

[vapid tartan]

where do you want sidearm?

[woeful solstice]

you could technically drop honed for another point in cruel strikes

[woeful solstice]

melee cleaves

fighting into them

my build is a bit unorthodox for sks but i like it

[vapid tartan]

Got it

[woeful solstice]

mess around with it

you can throw fatality back in too and drop bloodsurge

fatality prob a better pick most of the time tbh

[vapid tartan]

Yeah I feel like it’s won me a decent amount of rounds but looking back at the meters fueled by violence does a lot

[woeful solstice]

wouldn't take EP on the SKS build cause ur dropping imp exec and massa

[woeful solstice]

yeah FBV is wild

it usually is like 50-60% of my IP

[vapid tartan]

this is what ive got going on now

do you think it'd be worth swapping blunt instruments for exhillerating blows? I think this might be fine since theres already more buttons to press so might not need it

[woeful solstice]

exhil is really good but its unreliable

i think you should still take it

you wouldnt drop blunt instruments

drop massacre* for exhil on the sks build

[vapid tartan]

What would I swap? Massacre?

[woeful solstice]

someone better might chime in

yea

thats the only thing you could swap realistically

also can drop unhinged on if facing demo/bm

and grab something else

[vapid tartan]

Hm yeah I guess it’s more rng damage vs more reliable bursf?

[woeful solstice]

exhil is good man sometimes ill get 3-4 mortals in a row

its huge

some talents are must-haves , i think exhil is one

[vapid tartan]

yeah I guess my worry is getting to gcd when it’s time to hit a fatality execute and the healer bumps their hp a bit too high b

That could be solved by better cc I guess

[sage raptor]

Prot shuffle is so fun. You just use dragon charge on CD and you get free rating.

[unique fox]

@elder jungle There are weakauras that show the icon above the nameplate for totems and psyfiend, if you dont have those it helps a lot

this one https://wago.io/0WHEPOBNz

[burnt igloo]

how much crit should i have before going for haste?

[pallid comet]

i dont understand how im supposed to win in solo que

if tehre are any casters in the match i will only win maybe 3 matches and my rating goes unchanged and then i get qued against an evoker and lost 60 rating

[mild thunder]

There aren’t always better solutions, that’s why a spec is considered overpowered. Kiting wings isn’t always viable because of the high uptime and Ret’s range. The best solution is to cc them for as long as possible and trade into the rest of wings as best you can, hoping you don’t get global’d.

[bright kraken]

If I only wanted to do PvP to get the transmog, would I have more mileage getting everything to 1.8k and a warrior and DH to 2.4k, or would I have better odds with a ret pally, hunter and DH, for example?

[muted surge]

Ret is the easiest

[bright kraken]

But if I wanted to unlock all weapons, would that be the best way to do it?

Or at least as many as possible

[muted surge]

Then warrior

As war can wield all but warglaive

[bright kraken]

Which spec would you personally recommend?

[muted surge]

Arms

[bright kraken]

Thanks

[rich tiger]

whats considered a win for solo to get the conquest

[clever igloo]

people are crying over sharpen blade's heal reduction percentage, what do you guys think?

[magic wing]

LOL

they can fuck off

Its been this way for long and its fine

[hot solstice]

Dstance was 20% for long time too

[mild thunder]

cry more

it's arms' niche

[clever igloo]

i agree

[clever igloo]

i think arms is most balanced, gigachad and most fun spec to play and should not be touched

[magic wing]

We are balanced by garbage defensives

Retfucks get so much more than us and wanna cry about sharpen ? LOL

[mild thunder]

?

arms 2nd tankiest melee spec

perma dmg mitigation with IP

[clever igloo]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sharpen-blade/1567160 here is the post btw

i know forum is not the best place to follow since everybody crying over a spec but i believe i saw 3 qq post about warr today

[mild thunder]

do yourself a favour and leave forums

[muted surge]

Why has every war so much mobility but me :(

[graceful ginkgo]

That’s not close to true

IP is pretty good

Arms needs dam or def tuning

[muted surge]

I don’t feel ip at all

Parry is getting ignored by 80% of the classes anyway

And def stance reduces our dmg done by quiet a bit

I love our defensives

[graceful ginkgo]

Parry is strong vs arms and Ret, the best melees pre yesterday

It’s strong into WW

[muted surge]

So we want a def nerf

Against it self

Ret ignores it

[graceful ginkgo]

Arms damage is too big for its mobility, sharpen and def

[graceful ginkgo]

No

Ret does holystrike

Gets parried

[muted surge]

Holystrike? Ah yes

[vapid tartan]

wrecking or shattering against ww ret?

[mild thunder]

people that play fdk comps and spam chains between go's are cringe as fuck

[opal acorn]

sorry, havent followed the conversation but will orc be broken next patch? I play human

[mild thunder]

no

[graceful ginkgo]

10% kidney is 10% kidney, best race imho

[hot solstice]

Final verdict is ranged as well as judgement - doesn’t get parried

[graceful ginkgo]

It’s a melee strike

It gets parried

That’s new btw

It didn’t get parried in SL

It can also be disarmed now

[hot solstice]

Melee strike with 20m range? That’s some weird weed devs smoking

[graceful ginkgo]

well, it's good for warr

before you could neither disarm nor parry fv cus it didnt need a weapon

now it does

[magic wing]

Your anti blowup defensive is only parry tho

If casters decide to fuck you and healer sucks. Ggs

Ret has like 4 defs against this

[mild thunder]

Yea, ret is massively overtuned. Doesn’t mean we should be lol

We have a melee immunity + 30% wall on a relatively low CD
20% magic wall on a 25sec CD
30% heal
Permanent 10% damage reduc
15% HP boost
Spammable dmg mitigation that also boosts our dps

[magic wing]

Yeah war is strong but I wouldnt say overtuned

Ret is like a one man army, or was idk how much they nerfed

[graceful ginkgo]

Arms is overtuned

More than ret since the nerfs

[muted surge]

@graceful ginkgo what’s your main?

[bronze venture]

hey guys is the opening in pvp different than the one in pve (with the correct talents ofc)