pvp

[river trench]

because im done playing said dogshit class hoping it would get better lol

[mild thunder]

ret is always bad
blizz hates us
we're never allowed to be good
we dont deserve nerfs

[fresh valve]

[river trench]

the rework was my last shred of hope that it was gonna get better

i never said that it didnt deserve the nerfs

[fresh valve]

is it better?

[mild thunder]

triple S tier spec that's a lot more smooth and fun than pre-rework = not better

[fresh valve]

whats ur prob with the rework lol

[river trench]

i was hoping for a from the ground up rework because ultimately, i feel for pvp purposes, the spec is always going to struggle with balance if they continue to be this half support half damage identity with all of their immunities and shit

them having that capability will always hinder the class.

so i was hoping the rework would change that, but it didnt, so im changing

[mild thunder]

ret is half-dmg?

news to me

[river trench]

you know what i mean

[mild thunder]

ig 250k globals w/ no CDs is half dmg now

[river trench]

they are a psuedo support at times.

stop being a dick

[fresh valve]

u played that shit for 15 years tho

[mild thunder]

yea i dont get why you would play ret - a classic hybrid/support spec - and then complain that your hybrid/support spec is a hybrid/support spec

[fresh valve]

15

[mild thunder]

fyi, arms is also very utility-heavy in pvp

[fresh valve]

longer than most marriages

just admit u love the spec bro

[river trench]

i dont mind it being utility heavy, i think specifically the immunties cause problems for its balance.

and for a good portion of that, i wasnt a pvper.

well, didnt main pvp

[fresh valve]

so are u quitting pvp or the spec lol

[mild thunder]

immunities are shit ngl

[river trench]

no im sticking with pvp, but thats where i was planning on going to warrior.

[mild thunder]

esp once these disc buffs come through

[fresh valve]

aint it a lil too late to reroll lol

[river trench]

how so?

[mild thunder]

like 4 weeks left of the season

sike, 3

[river trench]

dont you think that would be the perfect time to reroll???

[mild thunder]

no

[river trench]

like yeah not getting shit for my warrior for this season, but get him leveled, honor capped

ready to go for next season

[brazen dew]

Honor goes away.

It'd be smarter to wait till s2

[fresh valve]

what do u even do in pvp

[mild thunder]

iirc honour stays, conq resets

honour is only hard-reset on xpac

[brazen dew]

I thought it went away, hmmmmmmmm

I really wonder what rogues are going to do next season.

[fresh valve]

mages rise back up

[brazen dew]

If they can't one shot you what do they even do

[mild thunder]

assa was S tier start of the season and they didnt need to oneshot you

[river trench]

I Do all 3 forms of arena. Trying to find consistent arena partners, so do a lot of LFG which can just be awful at times.

[brazen dew]

Yeah because they stabbed you and you just kinda turned into a puddle

[mild thunder]

sub has been meta for 15 years through all kinds of oneshot or damp metas

they dont need to oneshot to be good

[brazen dew]

They thrive off one shotting you or ccing you.

Next season is making that sound like it won't be a thing.

[mild thunder]

crit was 150% for a long time before SL, and rogue was fine

[fresh valve]

next season better be a free mount

[brazen dew]

I'm just going to get the 1800 set and play d4

tbh

[mild thunder]

next season is probs a pve season for me

[fresh valve]

how u feel bout the new glad mount?

[mild thunder]

looks ass

[brazen dew]

I don't really like the warlock sets and destro bores me to death.

So I'm likely sitting out

[mild thunder]

3s probs even more deflated than this season tho lol

[river trench]

new vicious mounts gonna be a snail

[brazen dew]

That's probably not going to change barring some big change.

[mild thunder]

who cares about vicious mounts

[brazen dew]

RSS is just going to appeal to way more people.

The raid mount looks cooler than the s1 glad mount so lol

[fresh valve]

shuffle being 3.5k and 3's being 2.8k is embarassing

[mild thunder]

tru

isnt 2s still like 2.5k

[brazen dew]

How do you fix that though, it's a product of shuffle just being the popular one

[mild thunder]

soloQ should never have been a thing

why play an mmo if you wanna play alone

[brazen dew]

cat's out of the bag now.

[fresh valve]

ff14 is basically a solo mmo

[mild thunder]

fuck ff14

[fresh valve]

u even play it?

[brazen dew]

I like RSS because I can get my low effort mog rewards on alts without stressing too much.

that's pretty much it.

[mild thunder]

only have to wait 30min for a queue pop

[brazen dew]

PVP has been shit since MoP ended, don't @ me

[mild thunder]

so casual friendly

[fresh valve]

if wow didnt have solo players the game would literally be empty

[mild thunder]

it's so accessible to sit in 1hr soloQ queues
they dont have time to lfg 3s

[thick reef]

Who's mans is this?

[fresh valve]

soloQ got more people to pvp

I'd say thats a good thing but it shouldnt have been a separate game mode

[river trench]

i feel like they could easily implement a que system similar to what skirm has to the ranked modes and people wouldnt hate it.

[wet scarab]

it's not just the sitting in LFG it's that after an hour of not finding a healer they leave after the first loss

[fresh valve]

just make 2s and 3s soloq

[mild thunder]

that's... soloQ

[river trench]

did i say it wasnt?

you can climb out of my ass at any point now gala

[mild thunder]

💀

you're saying it like it's a new suggestion bozo

IT'S IN THE GAME

[river trench]

im just gonna block you, literally everything i have said you got some shit remark to say, even raoul has chilled out

[fresh valve]

damn

[mild thunder]

LMAO

[mild thunder]

oh no, the crying ret main blocked me

[river trench]

But, anyway.

[fresh valve]

idk how someone plays this game for 15 years

people put that type of time into pensions

[mild thunder]

it is a long ass time

[river trench]

because i have cerebral palsy, and have very few outlets i can actually get into, gaming has always been one of them.

[mild thunder]

that's not fair, now i feel bad

[thick reef]

Nah, he weaponized his disability, fuck him more

[river trench]

how is that weaponizing a disability? he made a comment about me playing the game for a long time, i gave him an answer

how fuckin morally bankrupt do you have to be to think like that? jesus christ.

[mild thunder]

yea, morally bankrupt fucking weeb

[fresh valve]

bro u mustve gotten r1 at least

[sage raptor]

Delete shuffle

[mild thunder]

^

[thick reef]

Claims I'm morally bankrupt, yet ducks when called out

Bruh

[sage raptor]

Wtf is going on?

[thick reef]

You don't hear any of us bitching

[sage raptor]

Yall dating or something?

[fresh valve]

I legit think shuffle or 3's will be gone by next xpac

[mild thunder]

no, im saving myself for you

[sage raptor]

C:

[river trench]

No, i was a pveer for the longest time. Couldnt compete as well in pvp due to my hand dexterity and reaching keys and stuff, but then i ended up buying an mmo mouse, and found a macro that has made it where i can actually kinda keep up.

[fresh valve]

blizz focusing on 3's was a big mistake tbh

[sage raptor]

Glad will go to 2s instead of 3s

[river trench]

how did i duck being called out? literally the first response to you was me responding directly to your claim lol.

[mild thunder]

shut up

dont give them ideas

[fresh valve]

arena in general just aint the best way to pvp in a game

[mild thunder]

2s is going to be horrible next season

[sage raptor]

it's more accessible

[mild thunder]

20 minute games

cant cross-cc healers for more than 8 seconds

[stark reef]

You're saying accessibility is not a problem in wow pvp?

[mild thunder]

cant burst

[stark reef]

Look at participation

Put glad in solo shuffle

Fk it

[fresh valve]

no just make 3's solo q

[sage raptor]

It was a joke

[fresh valve]

get rid of shuff

[mild thunder]

no

[stark reef]

3s is a circle jerk

[sage raptor]

I really don't care what happens to glad honestly

[stark reef]

literally less than 5% partake

[undone pumice]

wtf bro i thought we had something....

[mild thunder]

D:

[sage raptor]

3s is better because it requires more coordination than "go hunter" and then you go 5-1

[mild thunder]

you werent supposed to see that !

[sage raptor]

Uh ohhhh

[undone pumice]

ok i close my eyes

[stark reef]

The 5% players playing agree

[sage raptor]

I gotta go. There's a distraction.

[stark reef]

[mild thunder]

[undone pumice]

true

its 4 am

[fresh valve]

6 rounds is way too much tbh

[undone pumice]

i should sleep

[sage raptor]

Just put a rating on skirmish

Boom

[undone pumice]

that is what shuffle is

[river trench]

Blade and souls arena mode was pretty interesting, and i wouldnt mind seeing a version of that in wow as like an all dps game mode.

[fresh valve]

all you gotta do is make 3's solo q lmfao

[sage raptor]

Except it's 6 rounds whereas skirmish is 1

[mild thunder]

all dps game mode would suck in wow tbh

[sage raptor]

So faster queues

[mild thunder]

arms would be unplayable

[sage raptor]

Intervene would be a death sentence

[mild thunder]

also 1-round gamemode would suck

[sage raptor]

Nah

[mild thunder]

it would just be one team getting cucked by the dogshit healer or bad comp

[sage raptor]

You say that like it's already not the case

[fresh valve]

yea lol

[mild thunder]

it is the case now, but you have rotations of everyone getting that shit healer/comp

[river trench]

it was essentially marvel vs capcom, where you would have 1 person out at a time, and you could switch out with anyone at any time, and you fight until all 3 are dead

[stark reef]

I like shuffle

[mild thunder]

so it evens out

[stark reef]

Can't blame anyone but yourseldf

Perfect to improve

[mild thunder]

that's defs not true

[stark reef]

wdym?

[mild thunder]

most shuffle lobbies are on person going 6-0

or bad healer diffs

or people getting 2.4 and thinking they're gods because the ladder is inflated af

[stark reef]

Well, yeah, ret paladins going 6/0

[fresh valve]

ladder was inflated because of participation tho

[undone pumice]

no, me

only me

[mild thunder]

soloQ has destroyed accountability or willingness to learn, now all i see in lfg are people signing up saying 2.8k xp when they've played 5,000 shuffle rounds

[undone pumice]

i am the greatest

[mild thunder]

they also artificially inflated the fuck out of it tho

[sage raptor]

Catch me in BF2042 until reset

[stark reef]

This will be me 🤝

[fresh valve]

before they announced inflation?

[mild thunder]

yes

[undone pumice]

dj khaled

we da bess

[mild thunder]

they never announce it, it's just something that's always done behind the scenes

the only time they announced the change was when they had the statement earlier this season where they admitted they fucked up soloQ and 3s

[undone pumice]

how does rating inflation even work huh??

just stop printing rating

[fresh valve]

that makes no sense tho why artificially inflate soloq and not 3s

[undone pumice]

tbey also inflate 3s

[mild thunder]

because they dumb

but yea they inflated both

[fresh valve]

yea but shuffle ratings were way higher than 3's before they announced inflation

[undone pumice]

cuz

more shuffling less 3s

yk

[fresh valve]

so its participation then

[mild thunder]

i dont think they delayed soloQ inflation like they did with 3s

i dont remember

[fresh valve]

if there isnt any evidence of that I wouldnt assume it

[mild thunder]

it was in their statement iirc

cbf finding it

[fresh valve]

im no expert on cr inflation tho

[mild thunder]

no one is, because they never release much info on it

that short statement this season was the most they've ever talked about it lol

[fresh valve]

I just assumed that shuffle rating were that high because people really liked the game mode

[undone pumice]

how does that even work like

just dont inflate?

???

just dont

[mild thunder]

yea biden

just dont inflate

bozo

[undone pumice]

just stop printing money

fr fr

[mild thunder]

just tell the banks to not inflate

lmao noob

[undone pumice]

but fr

why not just stop printing

[fresh valve]

blame the saudis

[undone pumice]

or use a real currency

like cheese

[mild thunder]

guberment corrupt

[undone pumice]

this post was sponsored by switzerland, france and the netherlands

[mild thunder]

netherlands

france 🤡

[fresh valve]

at least the french know how to protest

[undone pumice]

⛰️ switzerland

[mild thunder]

id rather be american than french fr fr

[fresh valve]

nah americans are cucked

[mild thunder]

id rather be dead than both

[fresh valve]

richest country on the planet but has a shit ton of homeless people

[sage raptor]

Bro I was gone for 5 minutes

[mild thunder]

you either die in school, or live long enough to see yourself become obese

american dream 🇺🇸 ✊

[fresh valve]

or die in the middle east

[sage raptor]

Nah, I'm going out in a motorcycle accident

[mild thunder]

does it count as a motorcycle accident if the bike is crushed under your weight?

[undone pumice]

the american dream is a waitwr in 1980 could afford a very high end vegas apartment and a lawyer in 2023 cannot afford the exact same apartment

[sage raptor]

Well I'm not fat so idk tbh

[mild thunder]

minimum wage bad

[fresh valve]

the american dream is getting rich off the gig economy created by onlyfans and uber

[viral haven]

how to get faster queue

im 1700

1663

[fresh valve]

dont que

[sage raptor]

Play healer

[viral haven]

real

[fresh valve]

imagine bein a lawyer

[mild thunder]

play 3s

[undone pumice]

the swiss dream is all cheeseries and butchers in my area are closing down so i need to find a real job

[fresh valve]

@teal hedge sayin his grandpa got cured of cancer with no charge spoke to me

[undone pumice]

[mild thunder]

depression

[fresh valve]

nah fr tho the real american dream is credit card debt

[undone pumice]

cant even make money cutting dead stuff anymore

[mild thunder]

the australian dream ended when bunnings stopped doing sunday snags during covid

[undone pumice]

big L

[mild thunder]

death of a nation

[fresh valve]

debtmaxxers stay winnin

[undone pumice]

death of a nation wa swhen Muselk stopped doing tf2 videos

[mild thunder]

death of a nation was when firefighters wouldnt shake our PMs hands during his shitty publicity stunt

[undone pumice]

lmao

[mild thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kePvZkV-Zcs

[undone pumice]

imagine being a clown prime minister wgen you can be president of the BUNDESRAT

[viral haven]

with mjy two imaginary friends?

[fresh valve]

I wonder if they killed that one aussie journalist yet

[undone pumice]

but this is fr sad

[mild thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ns15eHLDv1I

an aussie legend 🦘

absolute fucking chad

[undone pumice]

what a fucking legend a real fucking aussie

[sage raptor]

Bro

This is gonna be a great year

[undone pumice]

🇦🇺 🦘 🫙 🥦

[mild thunder]

there are no words in the english language that can express the patriotic pride i feel when i see that video

true australian euphoria

[fresh valve]

just dont talk shit bout the govt

they'll firebomb yo house

[sage raptor]

It's too easy a target to make fun of

[undone pumice]

https://youtu.be/FoNNcCWgjzA

@mild thunder

[fresh valve]

imagine being forced to vote

[undone pumice]

this is a real swiss chad

[mild thunder]

run them over

[mild thunder]

id rather be forced to vote than vote for any american politician

[undone pumice]

he gets so unimaginably mad and starts insulting their actual bloodline

[fresh valve]

proud of the fact I never voted

[undone pumice]

same

[fresh valve]

oligarchs run the US anyways

[undone pumice]

not like i have the right to do so but yea

https://youtu.be/wh6i1VxlsVY @mild thunder

fuckijg mike oxlong

[fresh valve]

wonder who has more incels US or EU

[mild thunder]

japan

[undone pumice]

depends

do obese people count as two?

[fresh valve]

nah they got lowkey sex work tho

[mild thunder]

NEETs dont go outside at all thgo

[undone pumice]

NEET = Incel
Incel =/= NEET

[fresh valve]

they never kick their kids out the house in EU/Asia

[mild thunder]

well depends on if you mean incel = involuntarily celibate or incel = reddit incel

[undone pumice]

this is assuredly wrong

woman hatwr 4chan incel

[mild thunder]

because the reddit incel stuff was almost entirely US iirc

[fresh valve]

also cost of living is way cheaper in those countries

[undone pumice]

dude

what

[fresh valve]

ya

America's housing is fuckeddd

[undone pumice]

i dont think CH is cheaper than the US

[mild thunder]

yea that's way too vague

[fresh valve]

China is a diff story

[mild thunder]

asia and europe are wayyy too big to say "housing is cheap"

[undone pumice]

i didnt say china

[mild thunder]

US is also way too big

[undone pumice]

i said CH

CN is china

CH is switzerland

[fresh valve]

did not know that lmfao

[mild thunder]

outside of major cities like NY, LA, Vegas etc. US housing isn't that bad

problem is ppl only wanna live in cities

[undone pumice]

Confederatio Helvetica

[fresh valve]

No Florida's pretty bad

[undone pumice]

living in the country side is unfathomably based tho

[mild thunder]

^

valid

[undone pumice]

its the ideal way to live

[fresh valve]

how much of a homeless problem do the swiss have?

[undone pumice]

no annoying upstairs neighbors breakdancing at 3 am

[mild thunder]

if you're homeless just buy a house 🧠

[fresh valve]

truuuuuu

[undone pumice]

we dont have a lot since you can apply to government housing and funding usuaally

and they help you get back to working and shit

[fresh valve]

yea good luck doin that here lol

US is legit the country with the most min maxxers

[undone pumice]

basically if u are disabled u get IV, Invalid Insurance, or if u are able u get AHV, working insurance

[fresh valve]

mfs be goin on no-insurance runs down here

[undone pumice]

IV helps you get therapies and treatment and less help flat giving you money

[fresh valve]

properties get bought up down here

[undone pumice]

if u are AHV you spend a % of your money in ur taxes so that if u dont have work u get moneys

[fresh valve]

by businesses or some rando with cash

[undone pumice]

dude

the cheapest property i found in my state costs 3 million

its not better here

just live in an apartment lmao

[sage raptor]

BF2042 has better pvp than wow

[fresh valve]

how much property does the govt own tho

[undone pumice]

no idea

most of the fotests are government owned

most of the rivers

[sage raptor]

If they tell you, they're probably lying.

[undone pumice]

and probably the capital of my state is government is gov owned and not much else afaik except official buildings like police and shit

[fresh valve]

yea nobody in their 20s or early 30s buys houses anymore

[undone pumice]

you simply dont have the money

[fresh valve]

I mean yea we'd buy a house if it were the other way around lmfao

[undone pumice]

if food prices went up at the same speed as housing prices a wholw chicken or a loaf of bread would cost 600+

[fresh valve]

apartments are scuffed too in a lot of states

way better than takin out a mortgage tho

[undone pumice]

bro half the apartments here are in 500+ yr old buildings that are horribly mixed with slanted wallsz uneven steps from the 1466 peasant that built it and modern architechture

[fresh valve]

i wouldnt know lmfao

[undone pumice]

like imagine you took a mwdieval house and just made the walls not completely shit

[fresh valve]

bro just live like Dragonlord

https://tenor.com/view/drachenlord-gif-25345839

man inherited state of the art german architecture

[undone pumice]

noo

do not reference the ancient one

[fresh valve]

house is gone now 😦

[proven nymph]

whats the best spec for pvp right now?

[fresh valve]

ret

[proven nymph]

whats the best warrior spec for pvp right now?

[fresh valve]

Legs

[proven nymph]

I guess this discord is not reliable ... I have tried asking questions a couple times and just get joke answers. I will ask reddit, bye

[fresh valve]

0_0

[woeful solstice]

"spoonfeed me everything i need"

enjoy being terminally 800 mmr i guess

[fresh valve]

nah bro reddit will give him the answers

shouldve told him fury

someone tell me the best poe build rn

[clever igloo]

whats ret nerf

is there a link

[clever igloo]

friendship

[clever igloo]

nice

[woeful solstice]

"i will ask reddit, bye."

reddit is the ultimate trench

[mild thunder]

it's harsh, but not everyone here wants to cater to new player #1,345,235,425

stuff is in pins for a reason, check it

[stark reef]

Arms, by a mile

[stark reef]

And this - as new player here, played the pinned fury build to 2k, now pinned arms build to 2k in 3 days. It's all there

Got a feeling arms will be nerfed here soon though

[quick carbon]

doubt any more changes happen this ssn

[mild thunder]

^

surprised there isn't already more tuning planned for 10.1 as well

i do think our dmg will drop off a bit compared to other top specs next ssn tho... crit nerfs hit us a bit harder than most specs, and so far our tier set is complete ass

[stark reef]

Any chance fury makes a comeback?

[mild thunder]

doubt

even if fury did good dmg, that would be all it does - shit utility, dies super easily cause no cc immune, easy to lockdown

[random fractal]

league of legends has taught me that europeans are the craziest most racists fuckers on the planet

[mild thunder]

you havent met enough australians

[random fractal]

like the difference between a european diamond league game vs a north american diamond league game, its not even comparable

[quick carbon]

u think its rlly bad?

it didnt feel bad on ptr

[sharp meteor]

maybe next season

rn its just like a mid tier dmg bot

that has bad defensives and peels

[hollow root]

Any warrior here in the 2.3-2.4k range wanna push glad with a ret?

[quick carbon]

begone

ret scum

[hollow root]

loool

[mild thunder]

it's terrible

the 2pc is good

the 4pc is a disaster

imo they should just rework the whole thing again, base it around execute somehow

kinda lame that fury got the execute tier set this ssn

[random fractal]

and fury is pretty shit still lmao

neither of the dps war tier sets stand out a whole lot in pvp content

both 2pc are pretty good but the 4pc is boring and bad for pvp

[mild thunder]

fury tier set is pretty good on ptr, esp for pvp

just means you dont ever run annihilator if you wanna stack it

every 10 rampages you get a giga bt

[random fractal]

have you seen the changes to it ?

[mild thunder]

yea, it's fine

[random fractal]

i dont think its fine but maybe im a doomer

[mild thunder]

like i said, every 10 ramps, you get a giga-bt that always crits

it's not on the same level as occasionally arms gets +10% to mortal strike

[random fractal]

i feel like the arms one will be better in pvp then fury lol

[mild thunder]

???

[random fractal]

i mean every 10 rampages is kinda a long time in arena

[mild thunder]

10 rampages is nothing tbh

esp during reck, ramp is pretty much every 2nd global

and fury generates fucktons of rage rn

arms relies on critting (a stat we no longer really want) on a bleed, to give us +10% on mortal strike... it's beyond fucking ass

[random fractal]

i mean i dont ever see myself getting near 20 casts of rampage in my average ss game

[mild thunder]

with how hard the fury tier can potentially hit, you'll never need more than one fully-stacked bt

i already hit bloobaths between 60-80k

[random fractal]

with vicious contempt?

[quick carbon]

i was getting the buff

very often

on ptr

it isnt too bad

[mild thunder]

that's cause it's bugged right now lmao

and even with it proccing a lot like it is now, it's <5% dps increase from the 4pc

[quick carbon]

ah didnt know it was bugged

even if 4set terrible arms war still retarded

[mild thunder]

it's proccing from all deep wounds crits atm, it's not supposed to

[mild thunder]

we'll still be good no doubt, but good chance our dmg falls behind other specs that have actually good tier

other top specs*

[quick carbon]

even if dam falls off

[random fractal]

demo lock

[quick carbon]

warrior brings things other specs rlly like

[mild thunder]

yea, i agree

that's why i only said dmg

[quick carbon]

so war will b A tier bare minimum

[mild thunder]

i never said arms will be bad

[quick carbon]

ik u diddnt

[random fractal]

fury feels more like a tank in ss right now compared to some other specs

[mild thunder]

fury flops against a good team ngl

or any team with a rogue

[random fractal]

just so easily disabled its crazy

[mild thunder]

no bladestorm feels shit

and odyns is impressively lame

[random fractal]

odyns does noting lol

[mild thunder]

fury capstones are all lame af

ravager unplayable in pvp, onslaught is not a real capstone, odyns is ass and annihilator boring af

[stark reef]

As a fury enthusiast I agree with all of this

It’s bad

[random fractal]

i make ravager work in rbgs

but nobody cares about rbgs

also kinda just some cancer build where you get 10 stacks of death wish and just kamikaze burst into as many people as possible hoping you kill them before they oneshot or cc you

[stark reef]

I do like being able to use enraged regen in stun and trinket more on fury but that’s about it

Arms better cleave, big anti-heal, Bladestorm, better sustain with ignore pain, not even close

[random fractal]

better cleave is arguable

[mild thunder]

sweeping > whirlwind

[sharp meteor]

imp ww is a lot of cleave

[mild thunder]

sweeping does more dmg and doesnt disrupt your rotation

[spice hornet]

Does ww beat fury in duels ?

[random fractal]

stop

[mild thunder]

nah fury is best 1v1 class in game no lie

[random fractal]

fury owns in duels ngl

[stark reef]

With cleave I mean pvp cleave - sweeping before unhinged Bladestorm slaps way to hard

Fury can’t keep up

[stark reef]

It does, yeah. Also much more fun to play

[mild thunder]

arms literally has Cleave

how can we lose

fury can only wish they were us

[random fractal]

idk im a big rbg enjoyer so i see it from a bit of a different perspective

but arenas arms defo owns

[mild thunder]

fury feels bad in rbg fights imo

cant bladestorm

cant aoe rend

[random fractal]

not at all if you talent it right

[mild thunder]

cant sharpen

cant ignore pain

cant banner

[random fractal]

why would you need defensives or sustained damage if you kill them before they can even do damage

[mild thunder]

true, arms does that too

[random fractal]

arms doesnt nearly do it to the level of fury though

[stark reef]

I respect the deathwish talent

[random fractal]

death wish is the carry of the build

[mild thunder]

wait, you do straight up 5% less dmg

[stark reef]

Was reading that, didn’t dare to try

[random fractal]

its a burst build i dont need the 5%

troar is way more then 5%

[mild thunder]

not over the course of a game... you never wanna ditch those +5% talents

[random fractal]

in a rbg yeah i dont think so

there can be times where you dont engage enemies

for awhile

letting cds come back

[mild thunder]

i mean

you're wrong

but i cbf arguing cause im hungry xD

[random fractal]

it really isnt meant to be a long fight cleave build

its meant to be a blow your load and then wait for your cds to come back while soaking damage if you didnt already kill everybody

[mild thunder]

It looks like a decent aoe pad build, but rbg fights are more about pressure and priority dmg, which that build doesn’t have

Arms does that a lot better while also providing more to your team

[random fractal]

one sec

[mild thunder]

Pad is for cuck afflocks

[random fractal]

[mild thunder]

That’s just a group of undergwared casual bg players that are all afk

[random fractal]

not wrong but the troar (not the dot part) hit for 100k itself there with a fully stacked death wish and trinket

on like 6 targets

[mild thunder]

Yea you’re not doing that in an rbg tho

You just get stunned and die

[woeful solstice]

BGs

[sharp meteor]

bgs are a relaxing time

[normal lodge]

Does anyone here do 2s with a monk?

[mild thunder]

depends

does a ww 1v1 a fury warrior?

[ruby temple]

Is the onslaught hybrid in the pins the "beeg damage build" for fury? I feel whenever I see a fury in 2's they're just pumping my healer. When I play annihilator I don't feel like I ever have that much pressure 🤔🤔

[woeful solstice]

roar, use spear build to pin a mfer down

[clever igloo]

fury brain>>>>> any spec brain> ret brain

[fresh valve]

bloodthirst > slam

[clever igloo]

roar but try spear as well you ll have fun

[muted surge]

is the ret plague over :o

[stark eagle]

HAH! no

[muted surge]

so jsut a fluke ? :(

vs frost mage / aff. what do i focus ? :D

[teal hedge]

aff

Oh btw, sometimes my health-bars just bug out? Like they disappear (I use nameplates to see their health)

[muted surge]

on everyone or just hunters

[teal hedge]

Hunters

[muted surge]

when they play dead

it can bug out

[teal hedge]

It bugs out like 99% of the time

[fickle forge]

Small indie company

[muted surge]

if you flick your screen

it works again

[mild thunder]

they were wfh, we cant possibly blame them

[stark reef]

Someone pointed out in this channel that the visual of spear vs. roar is a huge disadvantage - people are hardwired to react to spear but many oversee roar during a skirmish until a majority of the damage is done

Preventative cd usage vs roar is definitely worse

Now running roar vs everything

[muted surge]

not seein roar is difficult as well

who deosnt have 20000 addons and was in 2023

that shit all over your screen with info

[teal hedge]

THose guys that are gods on earth until they're matched with you

[stark reef]

Very very few people look at addons actively enough to react fast enough to prevent most of the damage

Best bet is gladiolossa but she lags so when she says “roar” you probably took 3/4 of the damage already

I don’t even track trinkets in-game

[teal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cigar-smoke-funny-gif-25177516

Back to 1600

[muted surge]

i mean

i guess it depends on teh rating ?

[stark reef]

Idk at what rating the average player reacts to addons that fast

Maybe 3k up

[muted surge]

whut

[stark reef]

In my games they sure don’t and unless they somehow evolve I don’t see it

[muted surge]

k idk maybe im just wrong

if i think about my raid team

and healers dont notice tank debuffs, i guess you are right

[stark reef]

I am talking splitseconds here - most are hardwired to press the right button when the screen lights up baby blue

But roar they just see they’re 30% health and panic

[teal hedge]

Roar is hella based

I use it to help push people to execute

[stark reef]

That’s at least my experience at 2k - I’ve seen some clean plays when I used spear - not so much with roar

[muted surge]

mhm

[muted surge]

yea i was wrong

[teal hedge]

I have to keep myself alive so much

I literally had a third of the healer's healing

[mild thunder]

blizz needs to fix their fucking servers holy shit

second time today that the frostmourne cluster has completely collapsed

has happened 10+ times over the last week and a bit

[teal hedge]

And just like that I dropped back down from 1600 cr

Should IO save my catalyst charges until next season?

Or do they get reset as well?=

[muted surge]

100% reset

[stark reef]

Just hit 2.1k, BM hunter failed to press turtle 3 times in 6 roudns

Don't even mention addons - the man doesn't even know his own key spells

The people in here that said 2.1k is ass - I absolutely agree now

Jesus Christ

Went 3/3, he went 1/5, one game won because our monk got globalled by the ret - feels exactly like a 1500 game

[muted surge]

so far

i dontsee a difference bertween 1.5 and 2.2

[wheat jay]

Because there isn't any

Do dmg, roll good lobby xD

If you're good you can carry it easier

[scarlet flame]

you gotta play around your spear better, its harder to use imo than roar

most of the success i've had with spear is using it after you've forced cds, or you get the global on a mage who wasn't expecting it

spear is deff fun to just insta kill someone though, i like roar more

[stark reef]

Yeah, I missed about half of my spears

Charge, war breaker, press macro when opponent uses mobility, stand alone in spear

But tbh, I use every single spell the second it comes off cd except trinket, dbs and rally

Rest I press immediately when it comes up

Goal is to be just ahead on cooldowns and gcds over a match

[short glacier]

Gotta snipe em from down town with the spear

[open glacier]

is there any reward beyond 2k4 in soloshuffle?

[muted surge]

Title

For r1

And temp title for 100 wins above 2.4

[open glacier]

what tittle for 100 wins?

[muted surge]

Legendary

[open glacier]

ok thx

[austere niche]

feels so bad to have to wait 30 min for the next game after a bad lobby

[rapid shore]

legend :)

[sharp meteor]

crimson legend for top 0.1% of spec

legend title for 100 wins above 2400

[viral haven]

man

the spark farm is so fukcing stupid bro

at this point it would have been faster

to spend 2 hours leveling another warrior from 60-70

getting the 5 instant sparks

and sending 375 conquest boxes

like if its faster to make a whole new fucking character, something is wrong about the design

[austere niche]

why u farming sparks

[viral haven]

dont have helm yet

[austere niche]

conq is uncapped

[viral haven]

used my first 5 on pve stuff

[viral haven]

need the like

infuriuos crafted effects

im ful conq gear

[austere niche]

why u need sparks for that

[viral haven]

..? its crafted spark gear

[austere niche]

thought u meant the worldpvp sparks

[viral haven]

oh no sorry

not sparks of life

spark of ingenuity

[austere niche]

yeah its weird, guess I only pvp so it didn't even cross my mind

but the fact that you get like 5 then 0 forever is wacky

[viral haven]

yeah its weird. i got one additional one but i need two total

for boots and helm

[austere niche]

godspeed

[viral haven]

im spamming the fucing dirt piles lol

[green root]

Guys anyone got season 2 tier list for class in pvp

Got a boost gonna use it for the most busted class, I swear 90% are meta whores they go try

Ret *

[viral haven]

i mean the season isnt even close to srtarting

no one has any clue

[green root]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-popcraye-gif-24336683

[viral haven]

also unless you're like in the top echelon is players it doesnt matter

the reason you're losing isn't because ur not playing a meta class

if u lose its because ur bad

[green root]

Nah bro

I’m 2.4

[viral haven]

ah okay thats fiar then

xd

[green root]

It’s just people get oneshoted by ret and they don’t use def ffs

[viral haven]

ur telling me if we put cdew in your position he'd be losing these games?

🤔

[green root]

No

He would be hard stuck 1,4

Jk

But I’m not cdew mf got no life

You can’t tell me ret isn’t broken

[austere niche]

there's a ret in every game and they still feel oppressive at all ratings

[green root]

Mfs with 1.5k exp got 3k

[austere niche]

feel like I should make one

[green root]

They’re gonna get nerfed soon

heard warriors gonna be top tier in season two

[austere niche]

divine protection -> bop -> sac -> divine protection -> magic bop -> bubble -> blind my bleeds off when they're on my team -> sac -> bop

[viral haven]

honestly the most annoying part is the fucking 100% freedom uptime

theyre just unstoppable

you cannot prevent them from moving and killing you

[austere niche]

my hamstring 😭

[wooden grove]

Always are

[stark reef]

What?

There is a helm?

[austere niche]

lol

[stark reef]

[austere niche]

infurious helm of vengeance

[viral haven]

? yeah

xd

[stark reef]

You only need 1 item

[viral haven]

i have the boots

no helm tho

[stark reef]

Yeah, why would you need a helm then?

[viral haven]

its kind of wasting the other embelish but i guess it truly doesnt matter that much

[stark reef]

I have no helm. Who has a helm?

[viral haven]

it has a separate effect

its your second embelish slot

[austere niche]

everyone, right?

[viral haven]

i dont have 4 set, and thats probably way more important

[stark reef]

People have 1 item, not 2

[viral haven]

most people i see have the helm and boots

no reason not to

[stark reef]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/magnusz

R1, just helm

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/momlover

R1, just boots

Idk chief

[viral haven]

xd

why wouldnt you have both

you literally get 2 embelish slots

[austere niche]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/icecrown/mud

[stark reef]

Don't ask me, I copied the pinned build and the gear of those guys and now i'm 2.1k in 20 rounds of shuffle on arms

[austere niche]

think it might just be preference

don't think it's the one gear slot making that difference

gratz though

[stark reef]

Like, if you're enjoying the farm, all power to you, but it's not needed

Always copy the pros and forget about it - in every game

🤝

Don't read the ability, just copy the build.

[austere niche]

how do you deal with rets shox

[stark reef]

If it's double meele I cleave off off one of them, if it's a ranged I hit ranged

Ignore ret

Don't run disarm

Pray

[austere niche]

haha i've been disarming them

probly stupid

[teal hedge]

Wait what

[stark reef]

That's a GCD that could be mortal strike

[teal hedge]

Isn't disarm good against paladins?

[austere niche]

lol

[woeful solstice]

lmao what

bro

disarm ret

[viral haven]

nice

[stark reef]

No time

[viral haven]

wait in queue for 45 minutes

computer blue screens

restart in under 30 seconds

[woeful solstice]

[viral haven]

miss queue

i cant fucking win

[stark reef]

Hunter won't kill himself, gotta do the job

[teal hedge]

Lmao

[viral haven]

the game literally wont let me fucking play it

[teal hedge]

For the best

[austere niche]

yo do i disarm these guys or what????

[woeful solstice]

disarm the wings guys ls

yes

disarm wings

[viral haven]

I CANT FUCKING WIN

[woeful solstice]

yes you can

[teal hedge]

Not in game or in life

[stark reef]

I haven't disarmed a ret since switching to arms

[teal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-ripbozo-pitalonzo-alex-lafreniere-alex-iafreniere-gif-18890780

[stark reef]

What talent do I evne take out

[viral haven]

why would you not disarm a ret?

[stark reef]

Not going to sacrifice my damage for a utility spell

[teal hedge]

???

[woeful solstice]

i run disarm/banner/sharpen into ret/x comps

[stark reef]

That's what the druid onmy team can do

[teal hedge]

What, what perks do you run?

[stark reef]

Banner & disarm?

Jesus

[woeful solstice]

yes

git gud

[teal hedge]

You get a thrid one

[woeful solstice]

sharpen

[teal hedge]

I run warbringer, sharpen and disarm

[woeful solstice]

sharpen is 100% always picked in 3s

[teal hedge]

Warbringer is about to be nerfed as well, right?

[stark reef]

I run sharpen, warbringer, bladestorm every game

Just send it

[teal hedge]

Or has it already been nerfed.

[woeful solstice]

you keep unhinged for demo lock teams too huh

[stark reef]

On accident 3 out of 4 times

[woeful solstice]

[stark reef]

If i switch to bleed talent i don't use rend

🤝

[teal hedge]

I keep unhinged for the funny burst

[woeful solstice]

im maining bleed build

rarely go back to spear

[teal hedge]

My man

[woeful solstice]

its nice against hunter

and mage

thats about it

[stark reef]

I do play roar + unhinged

[woeful solstice]

yea same

sometimes

[teal hedge]

Same

[woeful solstice]

you guys use sks yet?

it deletes the war/ret/fist comp

[teal hedge]

What is sks?

[woeful solstice]

use warbreaker, blood and thunder and then just SS+SKS and delete someone

[woeful solstice]

skullsplitter

i do not recommend it if you're still struggling mechanically btw

it adds a ton of clunk to your go

[teal hedge]

Maybe, but I like this funne build

Might sound gamerish™️ but last couple rounds where things went poorly it was mainly a healer diff.

And running into this one shaman three timas

[viral haven]

missed queue again

gonna fucking rop eman

jesus fucking christ

i love missing 4 fucking queues ina row

this game is hell

LET ME FUCKING PLAY

HOLY SHIT

@stark reef how importnat is 4 set

i have 2 set

right now

[stark reef]

no clue what arms set does

fury set is good

didn't read arms set

[green root]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-popcraye-gif-24336683

[austere niche]

arms set is a crit buff each time you press ms

simplifying, but yeah sounds good

[stark reef]

@viral haven since i've mostly posted stuff of me doing high damage, this is me having my first 0/6 round. could not touch anything in this lobby without geting cc'd & blown up

No difficult analysis needed - just need to do more damage next time

-71 rating

I go in, healer cries about los, i don't go in, i don't do damage and die

Every round

One note from this round that I said earlier - never kite a caster - just die if you have to. Didn't take it to heart, had people in execute range, started "positioning around my healer" they get their cd's back and I die anyways.

Just send it.

[lean burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[stark reef]

Full UI

[viral haven]

i just got fucking shit on too

rough

was gonna post clip acxtually

it was vs mage warlock

hunter

[stark reef]

3 caster lobby sucks

[magic wing]

All I get now are 3/3 no ratings and then kite fest blowouts

[viral haven]

what perks should i be taking? every game i just go warbringer, sharpen, and then either go disarm ,demolition, or warbanner for third

idk whats viable

[stark reef]

bladestorm cd reduction

[viral haven]

ah

do you bladestormo after initial burst with avatar?

or do you hold it for next cs

[stark reef]

If I run unhindged I try to bladestorm twice during Warbreaker window

Otherwise hold for utility

[viral haven]

i dont think ive ever not taken unhinged

idk what else youd take

[stark reef]

Don't take unhinged into pet classes, just take the bleed talent in pins and maintain rend

[viral haven]

i maintain rend regardless with the thunderoas roar buid

wait whats the talent u take instead of unhinged?

ah

the healing seems crazy good actually

fueled by violence

wow

😳

might be very useful against like bm or demonology

[teal hedge]

Any way to make sure rend is maintained? I sometimes just forget about it, and refreshing it is sorta hard

[thick reef]

Thunderclap lmao

Like yeah Thunderclap does less damage to 1 target, you now can cleave your dot to their team

[austere niche]

@teal hedge why not make a wa

[teal hedge]

What

[magic wing]

You guys run clap with rend ?

[teal hedge]

Aren't weak auras cheating?

[austere niche]

?

[stark reef]

vs anything pet - demo lock, bm hunt, ele sham, unholy dk

[viral haven]

? should probably be usign a weakaura of some kind

[teal hedge]

Feels like ultra-cheating

[viral haven]

wait.. you have this AND the wound healing talent

what are you dropping?

[austere niche]

k then dont

and just pay attention to rend..

[stark reef]

I just copied the pinned build, didn't read talents

[viral haven]

oh u dont have bloodborne

[stark reef]

🤝

idk what that is

[viral haven]

bleed dmg

[magic wing]

You dont run warlords ?

[stark reef]

I am the wrong guy to ask about this talent tree

[viral haven]

pinned build has bloodborne

are you sure you copied it right?

[stark reef]

Spear of Bastion + Mortal Strike focus
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWikEJEJpUKJBAAAAkQkIakAERjSiAHgiEhEgkEJAAAAAAAAEpkcgIAQBB

Should probably change to the roar build

[viral haven]

the build you linked says roar

thats why i was confused

[stark reef]

[viral haven]

like u have roar in the pic

[stark reef]

Yes, I changed spear to roar

[viral haven]

i think if you take roar, bloodborne is mandatory basically

ahhh

[stark reef]

BUt the underlying build is spear

will copy roar build, ty for pointing out

[viral haven]

i have NOT been taking that healing talent, seems insane

how am i not taking that?

is that why im fucking losing? lmfao

[magic wing]

Its decent yea

I ran without EP but that sucks

[stark reef]

Oh wow, bloodborn is quite good

[magic wing]

"Quite"

[viral haven]

the roar build says take points out of unhinged for bloodletting or fueld by violence, but it already has both. so what else is there to remove it for?

lo

lol

oh it doesnt have execute path

at all

wtf

we dont want executioners precision path??

[magic wing]

Yeah Baj uses that

[viral haven]

whos baj

[magic wing]

And EP is big

Bajheera

[viral haven]

uses what

the pinned build?

or ep

[magic wing]

Nah EP

[viral haven]

it seems cracked

you dont get the healing talents but

seems good

[magic wing]

2x OP 2x EP sharpen ms is big dam

[viral haven]

any tips on this?

[stark reef]

Actually read the talents, will keep what I have - losing that right side of the tree seems bad

Critical thinking, executioners precision, sharpen blade

I need those to finish the game

Not going to out-dot someone

[viral haven]

i think the suggestion is to drop fueled by violence / unhinged for bloodletting

not get rid of EP

idk

bloodborne**

when should i be using warbanner

[stark reef]

never in solo

You're to team-oriented for solo shuffle

[viral haven]

im so confused with this build shit

[stark reef]

Understand that every time you take utility you put the pressure on someone else to do the damage

sure, they are cc'd less but what if they can't find their buttons?

I know I find mine

So I do damage

[viral haven]

so you dont take unhinged vs ANy pets?

[magic wing]

I like death sentence too much

[stark reef]

I like death sentence, to

vs. a paladin team since barely use hamstring there

[magic wing]

Makes you almost unkitable

[viral haven]

yeah its crazy vs mages and hunters

WHY AM I SO SQUISHY

should i expect to out dps havocs?

@stark reef

and rets

[stark reef]

Do you use ignore pain and the self heal on cd?

[stark reef]

Depends on the game - I just played one against two and had to drop anything that didn't do damage and just use every global for DPS to clutch out a 4/2

Still below them on the meters though

[viral haven]

4-2

6 RATING

JSDFAUIOPVHASDUIDASFHAS

WHATTTTTTTTTT

[austere niche]

mmr cr

[stark reef]

Yeah, got 0 rating for 4/2

🤝

[exotic storm]

you should post the whole image not a crop

[viral haven]

ignore pain yes, heal no

i save for when im being targeted

[stark reef]

always use on cd unless you're full health or enemy is about to die

That's why it's literally in the middle of my screen

[austere niche]

do you feel squishy when you connect, or are you being kited and getting stuck out in mid?

[exotic storm]

is the skull splitter build worth?

[stark reef]

Not beginner friendly

[viral haven]

the wording is very ambiguous

[woeful solstice]

If you have to ask, probably not

[viral haven]

does it actually consume the dots to do more dmg?

[viral haven]

well it's int he pins

[woeful solstice]

At that level you are best spending mental energy on other aspects of the match and not trying to line up a good sks

Warrior is pretty global maxed already

From my experience sks feels good into melee cleaves or fist/melee cleave

If there’s a single pet or summon it can lose value quick, the pump is from a good sweeping strikes sks blast

[viral haven]

how do i stay alive versus double/triple caster?

seems very hard

[lyric urchin]

what are the go to trinkets for rbgs on a human?

[austere niche]

@viral haven try hitting closest wizard

[viral haven]

ok but like

theyre in the middle