pvp

[vapid ruin]

requirement for being a warrior

[teal hedge]

There just seems to be a connection between warriors/paladins and lifting.

Used to lift but I stopped like 2 years ago

[mild thunder]

@next rover pays people to lift his weights

[fresh valve]

rofl

[quaint snow]

booooosted

[teal hedge]

Pays for a gym membership, watches others lift and just poses in mirror

[fresh valve]

I'd pay ronnie coleman to lift my weights

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-budy-ronnie-coleman-gym-lightweight-light-gif-20762394

[teal hedge]

His back though

[fresh valve]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-yeah-buddy-gif-22160864

[teal hedge]

My lifts were goofy af

When I first started I did 60 kg both on bench and deadlift

I was so scared of deadlifting

I got a great foundation for lifting, and I prolly will start when I graduate though. Bajheera and Swifty got me thinking

[next rover]

u get 1m gold for every 100kg u deadlift

[fresh valve]

whats ur job bro

how u pay fo dem boosts

[next rover]

I’m a student

[teal hedge]

In Sweden?

[fresh valve]

EU NEET bux got it

[next rover]

yes

[teal hedge]

We get 120 bucks from studying

But hopefully that'll be replaced by wages this summer

[next rover]

I also help with data analysis and conversion optimization for this law firm on the side

[next rover]

Gotta get the cheese

[fresh valve]

whats free healthcare like?

[next rover]

Ass

[teal hedge]

Pretty good, albeit a little slow

Broke collarbone, didn't have to pay a dime

[next rover]

U obviously don’t live in the capital xd

[teal hedge]

Grandpa got cancer, got cured and didn't have to pay

[teal hedge]

I am a western geat

Easterners deserve bullying

[frosty nexus]

is fine if you do it correctly

[fresh valve]

goddamn

[teal hedge]

Yeah, though I'm a big guy and I had to do sumo because my range of motion is cringe

[next rover]

sumo is fine

[woeful solstice]

Just pay someone to deadlift for you and then come in here and post your PR

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-muscles-pecs-bodybuilder-gif-23858970

[frosty nexus]

sounds prolly more like flexibility issue considering mfrs like hafthor can pull conventional

unless u are 8 feet tall

[fresh valve]

I wish I was 10 ft

gives me body dysmorphia

[woeful solstice]

I’m 10ft

Wide

[next rover]

I mean their style is so wide it’s almost sumo

[teal hedge]

Yeah I'm not flexible in the slightest.

[fresh valve]

he'll pay u

EU players prolly got sweet hookups for boosts

this game was built for them

[woeful solstice]

Why lol

[teal hedge]

Can't even squat normally

Though I am 6'4

[fresh valve]

p short if u ask me

[mild thunder]

imagine not being 7 foot

midgets

[fresh valve]

with them cheese eatin genes ya gotta be at least 6'8

manlet

[teal hedge]

I am 193-195 cm tall (I haven't measured myself in a good year or two)

[magic wing]

Deadlifts are so good

[fresh valve]

ah the metric system

[magic wing]

But easy to snap your shit up with bad form

[teal hedge]

Yeah that's why I kept weights low

[fresh valve]

isn't 5'11 the shit outside the Norse countries in EU

cuz its 180

UK midgets

[teal hedge]

5'11 is the average height among men in Sweden.

[fresh valve]

must be the slave class then

[teal hedge]

But my dad was 6'3 and my mom is 6'/5'11

[fresh valve]

i'd bang a girl who's 6'4 tbh

[teal hedge]

How tall you be?

[fresh valve]

6'2.5

I'd bang a girl who's 6'7 tbh

feel like I conquered

[magic wing]

I only max lifted 150kg, dont like using straps

[teal hedge]

That's fair

Nerevar, we are like staright opposites

[fresh valve]

you have healthcare I dont

[magic wing]

Im 185cm lol whatever that is in bs measures

[fresh valve]

p sure that's 6'1

[teal hedge]

Yeah

[teal hedge]

What

[tall sphinx]

hello guys im new here but could somebody pin the arms warrior rotation for me plz.

[fresh valve]

who wastes money on health insurance

[magic wing]

Watch the pika oneshot video if you play spear

[teal hedge]

I mean there is some healthcare that costs

Dental care, my sleep-meds cost me 70 bucks

[fresh valve]

bro

America's basically Los Angeles

[teal hedge]

Thankfully stuff like insulin is free

[fresh valve]

but if Los Angeles was a big ass country

[teal hedge]

I swear to god, west-coasters are far kinder than east-coasters.

[fresh valve]

yea

100%

[teal hedge]

Like floridians and the like have always just been rude

And every californian or texan I've spoken with is chill af

[fresh valve]

lmfao florida

[teal hedge]

(even though texas is southern)

Thought the best state remains MINNESOTA

[quaint snow]

ok dudes get a room

🤣

[fresh valve]

Florida is a S tier state

this is known

perfect weather

[teal hedge]

Florida is like the wild west except with bath-salts and brainrot

[fresh valve]

perfect inbred civilizations

and cubans

I hate cubans

[teal hedge]

You a westerner?

[fresh valve]

cuz Im related to em

[teal hedge]

Westerners are superior, we know this,.

[fresh valve]

God bless murica

[teal hedge]

Gothenburg > Stockholm

Anyways, I'll try to record some gameplay today?

[fresh valve]

just buy a boost bro

save time like @next rover

[teal hedge]

Thing is: I am pretty inconsistant, still.

[next rover]

yeah i dont even gotta go on tinder i just pay @fresh valve mom

[teal hedge]

Tera, from where do you hail?

[next rover]

stockholm, the best region

[teal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-gif-26102193

[fresh valve]

pay her to do your boost?

she should get me glad smh

[teal hedge]

Course' the stockholmer whips their wallet out instead of enjoying the game

Stockholmer moment

[next rover]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-wink-pepe-wink-gif-18805786

[fresh valve]

nah I legit think there's nothing to enjoy in pvp rn

[teal hedge]

I get a bunch of dopamine from killing paladins and bullying people

But that's me

[next rover]

i did some unh rbgs

[fresh valve]

if you're gonna boost tho dont be retarded and tell everyone about it as soon as you get glad

[next rover]

with the defile cleave

shit was pretty funny

[teal hedge]

Current rating is 1563

[magic wing]

I enjoy it

Executing mfs will always be fun

Current arms is miles above the weak noodle in Legion and BfA

[fresh valve]

I think you can make the case for shuffle being fun for a lot of people but 3's is legit stress inducing

[magic wing]

Never liked 3s

[fresh valve]

its the only bracket with legitimate rewards tho

[magic wing]

They attract the most toxic idiots

[fresh valve]

I wouldve been fine with a solo que ranked 3's instead of shuffle

shuffle is a minigame

[next rover]

i think healers are the worst on in ss

lets say theres 1 really heavy dps that goes 0-6

[fresh valve]

you?

[next rover]

heals just gonna go 3-3

[frosty nexus]

[teal hedge]

It really depends! I struggled a lot with healers and I not working together in lower ranks, but now it's far easier.

[river trench]

Hands down the worst healers. It's like half dps mains that seenthe potential for easy and short ques/rating but not actually having the skill to keep people alive.

[teal hedge]

I'm better at protecting them and they're better at keeping me alive.

[river trench]

They are panicky. You can usually tell within 2 seconds if they normally main heals or not just by pressure them for a second.

[teal hedge]

I think I need a better bind for intervene, though

Gonna record this next game, I think

[quaint snow]

ret dmg nerfed by 3%

WE ARE SAVED

blizzard straight up trolling

[teal hedge]

Billy.....

[tepid stag]

shift scroll wheel up and down for party 1 and 2 intervene for me

[teal hedge]

That is radical

24 minute queue......

The healer hypnosis is hitting harder every minute

[undone pumice]

plate armor = heavy metal
lifting = heavy metal

you life the heavy metal so you can wear the heavy metal

[teal hedge]

33 minutes, two 5/6 in a row

[undone pumice]

W

[teal hedge]

No, two 5/6 readies.

[undone pumice]

noob

[teal hedge]

Somehow got into challenger 2 from a 3/6

[quaint snow]

UFFFF

ballin 😎

[idle falcon]

just entered a match and won 2 roudns before someone left

the monk is telling me to fuck off and that im an idiot

and that i should go play druid

O_O

i killed him last round soo maybe thats why

[last orbit]

there was a rshaman that yelled at me from running from him (i was on my dev evoker in a ret, war lobby) telling me to use defensives and kept yelling and cussing. The first three rounds i was with him and kept losing. Went on other healers team and proceeded to one shot him for the next 3 rounds.

was so tempted to whisper him and say "just use defensives next time"

[topaz tulip]

why be tempted? Zug zug mf.

Are you really a war if you aren't constantly going in on people?

[teal hedge]

Any good way to make sparks of life go fast?

[topaz tulip]

walk into a full caster lobby and press zero defenses. Every spark of life you have will fade quite quickly.

[idle falcon]

thing is i really dont know why he said go druid

we didn't have a druid with us ingame

he was with me 1 round and we did it ez

other one i killed him ez

also

drama in fury chat

[topaz tulip]

yeah mad drama in fury chat

[idle falcon]

xd

[topaz tulip]

this shit been on for like 10 mins

I wonder if reading this is like being in elo hell

[quaint snow]

tldr anyone?

[idle falcon]

xD

im happy i was in the beggining

[topaz tulip]

Someone complaining about their guild in here. Said he quit cuz fuck em. GM popped up with screenshots kicking him out of the group and saying he kicked the guy because he was being a tit. Timelines don't add up. Ensuing argument about whether dude was kicked or fired, and who's more of a tit.

also, 100% a food fight happened in chat. There's popcorn every fuckin where

[teal hedge]

What the hell is happening in Fury-chat

The brain-rot from mashing two buttons has set in

[topaz tulip]

The name of the chat is fury. Obviously it has to live up to it's namesake at some point

[teal hedge]

Why is so much happening

One second they discuss men, the other Allah

[topaz tulip]

They got a free stack of raging blow

[undone pumice]

allah guides my execute into rogue throat

[teal hedge]

🙏

[quaint snow]

thanks man, so all in all stupid af

[topaz tulip]

Could you really ask for more?

[teal hedge]

Fury chat is the absolute worst; do not go there

[idle falcon]

that was me xD

fasting rn in ramadan my broither 🙏

[teal hedge]

The men part or the islamic part

[idle falcon]

islamic :3

[teal hedge]

Inshallah eid goes well 🙏

[idle falcon]

<3

[undone pumice]

alhamdulillah 🙏

[teal hedge]

Is there any point in queueing? Queues are 20 minutes long 😭

[wheat jay]

Yes

Transmog

[teal hedge]

What

How do I get the transmog?

[topaz tulip]

you get more for every rank you rise

[teal hedge]

The tabard looks very nice

[lean burrow]

dude, hunter, ret, dh were giga easy to get 1.8k in honor gear no problem

why am I stuck at 1.5k on dk?

[teal hedge]

Oh my god they're all in voicechat

[mild thunder]

if you dont use this addon, you're hardstuck 1600

dont @ me

[teal hedge]

I've gone past 1600

I am 1607 something 😎

But I do not use any addons

[mild thunder]

liar

[teal hedge]

Check my gameplay, buster

[mild thunder]

dont need to, i KNOW that all "warriors" that don't use this superior addon are posers and liars

[teal hedge]

What does it sound like?

[last orbit]

middle of a pvp match and my realm goes ofline

rip 150+ rating

[mild thunder]

like an orgasm

[teal hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgmpz5CXQU&ab_channel=Brolype

Sounds pretty good, but I think I like the sharper sound more

I want to feel like I am cleaving people in two

[mild thunder]

that is LITERALLY the sound of God's wrath

[quaint snow]

ramadan benzema strikes again

[mild thunder]

alhamdullilah

🙏

[teal hedge]

Lunch has felt empty 😭 I usually sit and eat with some muslims but seeing as they don't show up it's been real empty.

[spice hornet]

when you zone into 3s and its a frost dk comp and oyu know about 4 mins of your time is going to be wasted because their playing some 1min go cheese comp where they spam chains of ice and run around the pillar waiting for their go

[mild thunder]

versing fdk is pretty cringe

but is it worse than ret? no

[spice hornet]

frost dk/ret/disc KEKW

[mild thunder]

ok yes that is very cringe

what comp are you running now?

[spice hornet]

was playing some disc turbo

i dont like to play ret warr, it's so boring

[mild thunder]

bayzedd

i wanna find a good bm and rsham for kfc

it's probably pretty strong rn with the state of all 3 specs

[spice hornet]

bm is blasting rn

[mild thunder]

hard part is convincing them to play kfc instead of jung or cupid

[spice hornet]

every fotm hunter idiot prolly wants a ret rn tho

yeah

[mild thunder]

which are just... better

[teal hedge]

The german guy I play with plays ret, so our comp is usually just us two and some healer we found via lfg

[mild thunder]

bm is boring af

but playing WITH a bm is fun af

[teal hedge]

How do you guys feel about the influx of hardcore-streamers? I'm getting kind of tired of seeing it over pvp.

[mild thunder]

i havent watched wow streams since wod

i'll tune in to mud's annual stream to talk shit for 5 minutes, and i'll "watch" Limit Max guy during twitch drops

but that's about it

[spice hornet]

ye i dont ever watch twitch

[teal hedge]

I watch it mostly for Jerma

But he streams at like 5 am

[mild thunder]

i cant remember the streamer's name, but i tuned into some orc warrior streamer to tell him his mog was basic and boring and he got pissed off

that was pre funny

[teal hedge]

I feel like some people's games look far cleaner than mine, any thought?

[mild thunder]

trillebartom

[teal hedge]

You could check my gameplay, but I feel the game is a little cluttered?

[mild thunder]

i'll check it tomorrow

maybe

[teal hedge]

This da hud I'm rocking

[mild thunder]

yea that's fine

[teal hedge]

Though I find it hard to keep track of enemy cc's and the likes

[next rover]

U could use omnibar to do that, also u should maybe look into adding some focus macro for kick and bolt :D

[teal hedge]

Bolt?

Oh you mean the stun

[lean burrow]

try luxthos weakaura

[teal hedge]

What is a weakaura

[next rover]

Storm bolt

[lean burrow]

[obsidian loom]

I'm supposed to just run like a bitch when tyrants out right? Fearing it seems like a waste of cc

[next rover]

It’s a nice addon

[lean burrow]

kick demon fire cast that tyrant does

then fear

[frosty nexus]

may as well fear/kick it cuz if ur talking about shuffle, ur teammate will just stand out and die to it anyway

[obsidian loom]

Two cc? In this economy?

[teal hedge]

What is a tyrant?

Something locks spawn?=

[lean burrow]

tyrant is

this government's ruler

[teal hedge]

Sweden moment 😭

[obsidian loom]

Sic semper tyranus

[teal hedge]

Sweden is having a real moment rn

[obsidian loom]

I don't know where Sweden is on a map

Also this is a Wendy's sir

[obsidian loom]

This legit happened to a ret

He used the wrong bop and died

[frosty nexus]

imagine my shock

[obsidian loom]

I ran to save fear for healer but he just zugs and dies

Then bmed hard about healer

[simple rock]

fearing tyrant is a good trade unless you can lock it down with kick and wake of ashes stun perfectly every time

they have the same cd

[teal hedge]

North

[frosty nexus]

i was playing my rsham and ww monk on my team was giga low against lock/mage

instead of rolling close to me so i can link

he rolls into mid and dies then started flaming me

morons gonna be morons no matter what

[obsidian loom]

I do fear tyrant if it's fist weaver is nearby

[hazy isle]

do you guys find playing warrior "fun" atm, i feel like its very boring compared to other specs, even rets are more fun

[obsidian loom]

I bait rss rets behind pillars at the start and stormbolt them first gcd and sometimes kill them because they won't bubble

It works 30% of the time

[lean burrow]

what's a good addon to see cursor during matches

[obsidian loom]

There's a weak aura

To put a circle when you're in combat

I don't remember the name

[lean burrow]

it has a delay

[obsidian loom]

Mines instant

Idk

I can check when I'm home

https://wago.io/Hklr0dCdf

I think this is it

Some bare bones caveman shit

[lean burrow]

that's the one with delay

[obsidian loom]

Maybe it's you

[last orbit]

its most likely you

[last orbit]

just fear it or los it

[blissful thorn]

how big a must for arms warr is it to have pvp embelished boolts if u wanna push beyond 2k?

[elfin surge]

Where were the cries for balancing the rest of the season? Why now? Why when a class that has statistically almost always been on the bottom is now on top? Seems like you are more upset its not your class on top. Im sure there wouldnt be a problem at that point.

You are seeing more rets currently being used because we havent had a moment to shine in ages. People actually have a reason to log into their ret again because we are no longer bottom of the barrel.

[obsidian loom]

No king rules forever

[mild thunder]

you seen how bad our tier set is for 10.1?

[elfin surge]

no

[mild thunder]

4pc is like 3% on ST

-1-2% on aoe

[elfin surge]

thats pretty strong wtf

[mild thunder]

[obsidian loom]

3% nerf killed ret, must be great

[mild thunder]

fury one is interesting tho... might be doing some chunky bloodthirst burst

[obsidian loom]

This is a fury hate channel but I think they're just neat

[mild thunder]

if you play the onslaught build fury feels decently fun to play atm

you just get cucked any time you verse a melee team lol

[teal hedge]

They buffing fury?

Also, are they nerfing arms?

[mild thunder]

no real warrior tuning besides tier set stuff so far in 10.1

arms will be fine without a good tier set, just a good chance our dmg falls behind top specs

esp with the crit nerfs hitting us harder than most

[teal hedge]

But BiS armor remains the same? I don't have to grind all-over?

[mild thunder]

new season

new gear

[teal hedge]

Maaaaaaan

[frosty nexus]

its been like this since 2007 man

new season is always new gear

[teal hedge]

I am unaware

[quaint snow]

you started way too late in the season kinda

not the best timing

its way different when you are on an even ground gear wise in s2

[hot solstice]

They nerf warbringer

[teal hedge]

So my gear becomes obsolete the 3rd of may?

[prime birch]

Some of it yes, new gear with higher ilvl will be better. Some like crafted gear can be recrafted

[steep cairn]

Will S2 honor gear be better than S1 conquest?

[mild thunder]

honor gear is generally as strong as current season conq gear

[quaint snow]

maybe a bit better by a small margin

[mild thunder]

doubt it

[quaint snow]

in sl it was like this i think

bit there was a diff system

[mild thunder]

SL was a completely different gearing system

they've said they're modeling DF gearing on WoD, which had honor gear being as strong as current conq gear

[magic wing]

Why nerf warbringer ?

[mild thunder]

because it's stupid and boring

[magic wing]

Just extra dmg on charge and root

[mild thunder]

yep

[quaint snow]

i liked it

[magic wing]

Should rather give us cooler talents

[mild thunder]

charge shouldnt do 60k dmg

dont defend it

[quaint snow]

sniped many kills with warbringer xD

[magic wing]

Not the doodoo we have

[mild thunder]

????

we have some of the strongest pvp talents in the game

banner, disarm, duel, sharpen, demolition...

[magic wing]

Yeah but 0 viability cuz 2 of them are set in stone at all times

[mild thunder]

tbf only sharpen is set in stone and that's because it's ridiculously strong

[quaint snow]

we need a talent where you bodyslam your target for like 150k dmg

[mild thunder]

banner is locked in most games, but can be swapped

[frosty nexus]

on PTR at the moment honor gear is ilvl 437

[weak wedge]

I get bored playing anything but warrior 🤷‍♂️ Geared a hunter for bgs and I like bumping people off ledges but that's it 😄

[frosty nexus]

seems like a very weird decision to do that

[mild thunder]

and again that's because it's super strong

[frosty nexus]

so maybe itll change

[teal hedge]

And I just coughed my guts up to pay for the crafted gear

Maaaaan

[magic wing]

We need a talent where you headbutt a mf

[quaint snow]

so honor gear is better than current conq

[frosty nexus]

its cheap now

[mild thunder]

if that's true, it's likely a bug

[frosty nexus]

u shoulda seen it week 1 of season

[mild thunder]

437 is way too high

[frosty nexus]

yea it seems really weird

[quaint snow]

also enchants dude

[frosty nexus]

i got 15k honor on all my characters just in case though

[quaint snow]

remember sophic devotion enchant lol

[frosty nexus]

yea i spent 100k on that

[quaint snow]

so expensive

[frosty nexus]

1 week later it was 50k

now its 10k

[magic wing]

lol

[quaint snow]

same xD

[frosty nexus]

[magic wing]

Tough

[mild thunder]

bro why do all the talent loadout addons suck ass

[frosty nexus]

huh interesting

i just logged on ptr to check

last time there was the item where u can turn random item to pvp gear with 437 ilvl

now its not on vendor anymore

[weak wedge]

There is already one, kinda

[frosty nexus]

so yea itll probably get changed

[mild thunder]

so honour gear from vendor was never actually 437?

[frosty nexus]

it was just the tokens

but theyre removed from vendor now

[mild thunder]

well considering mythic raid gear only scales up to 441, i highly doubt honor gear will be 437

[frosty nexus]

this was the thing

maybe they fucked up and thats conquest ilvl

[mild thunder]

yea that's not for honour gear

[frosty nexus]

i mean there was seperate item for conquest and honor

on both vendors

[mild thunder]

craftable epic items

wait no

that's not even for conq gear

[mild thunder]

that's for the crafted gear lmao

yea dude that's for work order gear

[frosty nexus]

yea but if u look at infurious gear rn

its the same as conquest ilvl

[prime birch]

But the crafted gear ia head/boots

[mild thunder]

iirc they released a dev post talking about how they're changing crafted gear

and for pvp you'll have pvp-specific tokens

that you need to apply to juice the ilvl in instanced pvp

[frosty nexus]

yea but i mean like

surely it has to follow the same ilvl as conquest gear right

or else conquest gear is useless

[mild thunder]

but idk they're fucking around with gear too hard on ptr... upgradeable raid gear and shit

[frosty nexus]

you just buy full crafted gear instantly

and have more ilvl than everyone else

[thick reef]

I'd drop head for Lariat if I could make it apply pvp scaling

[mild thunder]

well 450 ilvl also doesnt make sense since that outscales mythic raid

[green anchor]

jfc

I really don't like gear upgrading

[mild thunder]

but yea regardless, that's very clearly something for crafted gear, seeing as it says optional crafting reagent and specifies that it's only useable on crafted gear

[green anchor]

stats reforging in MoP was cool

or w/e it was called

[mild thunder]

upgradeable raid gear is probably a good idea

allows raiders to juice up a heroic/normal drop they got that might be super important to mythic ilvl over time

rather than getting it on heroic and then having to farm it to oblivion on mythic as well

[idle falcon]

wait how dfo u get that

[frosty nexus]

time travel

[mild thunder]

i dont understand why blizzard locked the talent loadouts to 10 max

10 per spec would've been okay at least

but 10 per char is cringe af

[idle falcon]

agreed

they said there would be no lockout aswell

they lied

[mild thunder]

maybee it's a technical thing with actionbar limitations

there'll probably be an update in the future

[idle falcon]

skill issue

[mild thunder]

but still

and no addon can properly interact with the actionbar loadouts

which is annoying af

[idle falcon]

fury warrior pvp talents for Annihilator + Thunderous Roar build?

[mild thunder]

slaughterhouse (if you dont have an ms on your team)
bloodrage
warbringer
battle trance
demolition

pick between them depending on what you want/need

on and disarm obv

[sharp meteor]

ya basically open up itemization a bit

can whip up a 424 ring regardless of cr for instance

[mild thunder]

ye i cant remember the specifics of what they're doing but i do remember they spoke about how they're changing crafted gear a bit

also precog is an embellishment next season

melee supposed to get a new embellishment too, but no word

[steep cairn]

Melee embellishment - if you miss a kick, reset kick cooldown boom fixed

[teal hedge]

Wait, do my funny "create a piece of crimson gladiator gear for your spec" boxes also become irrelevant?

[frosty nexus]

yes

[teal hedge]

THIS SUCK

Oh well

Fungus will rice once more

*rise

[idle falcon]

should i use a main-stat gem in PvP?

cause i just use normal ones

[quaint snow]

What you mean?

77vers 33 Haste or Crit

and 1 Strength Secondary (unique)

[stark reef]

If I queue up as fury and then swap to arms to practice, will i end up in a game as fury?

[mild thunder]

soloQ? yes

[stark reef]

Ok, so queue in one spec, then switch spec and work on UI is fine?

[mild thunder]

yewa

yea

[stark reef]

ty

[idle falcon]

warrior Annihilator + Thunderous Roar rotation?

like do i focus rampage > BT > Execute?

[stark reef]

Where would I go for a guide on basic arms dps rotation for PvP?

Any good videos/guides?

[gloomy fulcrum]

did anyone tried one handed talent?

[magic wing]

Pikaboo yt channel

[teal hedge]

Oh my god arms is so broken

I am toying with these fools in arenas

*battlegrounds

In arenas I am very much being toyed with

[mild thunder]

Spend talent points to do less dmg

Make of that what you will

[gloomy fulcrum]

F

[stark reef]

ty

[teal hedge]

Healer alt+f4 and I got 1/5 instead of 2/6

I weep

Okay, I am making this my life mission

Which class counters paladin the hardest?

@mild thunder How do I make these people suffer?

[woeful solstice]

arms

[teal hedge]

That sucks!

They outpace me in every field

Not fun at all to face them, and the nerf they're getting is too small.

[woeful solstice]

arms is the only thing that really can hold a candle to ret right now imo

[teal hedge]

Btw, I recorded a game

[woeful solstice]

maybe shadow priest if they are good lol

yea i saw ill check it later

[teal hedge]

It was a 3/6

[woeful solstice]

queing 3s, today is the day

2400

[teal hedge]

Less goo

[frosty nexus]

sending prayers that the rets on your team will remember to press bubble

[stark reef]

Done - 2nd week of pvp.

Go arms now for 2100 push? Or stay fury?

[woeful solstice]

fury is pretty ez in solos id just keep going

1800 is not much diff than 2100

[stark reef]

ok, will try. 1700 to 1800 was brutal

so many fails at 1770

[woeful solstice]

ya its gonna be the same till 2100 tbh

dont look at ur rating

just play

[frosty nexus]

its gonna be the same above 2100

[stark reef]

yeah, def got in my head once i got close

[woeful solstice]

yup

[frosty nexus]

if you go in expecting your teammates to do things correctly youre gonna have a bad time

[woeful solstice]

yea exactly

in solos you have to carry

to climb

[stark reef]

as it should be

[woeful solstice]

whatever you do, do not die first round or you are the brick

[stark reef]

loving this system - coming from league, which that climb is beyond toxic

solos you can't blame anyone

[woeful solstice]

yup

[mild thunder]

Demo is pretty bonkers imo

But the gap between the S tier specs and ret is obscene

[frosty nexus]

dont worry bro 3% damage nerf soon.............

[teal hedge]

I've only had two games today

These queue-times are brutal

[mild thunder]

It’s so simple, all they have to do is

nerf ret dmg
nerf ret range
nerf wings to 2min CD
nerf defensives to 90sec CD
remove judgment dispel
nerf sac to 2min CD
nerf bubble to do less dmg when you’re inside it
remove magic bop
remove lay on hands from PvP

[teal hedge]

Third game just popped!

And not a single ret!

[frosty nexus]

sounds kinda complicated for blizzard devs bro

[mild thunder]

And then ret will be a tier

[woeful solstice]

wings to 2 min and defensives to 1.5min would be plenty

imo

dont even need % changes on dmg

[mild thunder]

It just wouldn’t be enough

[frosty nexus]

i dunno why they made it 1 minute

[woeful solstice]

the fact that wings is basically 36s downtime is BONKERS

[frosty nexus]

whoever thought of that was deff smoking crack

[woeful solstice]

paladin out of wings is tolerable

[mild thunder]

No

Dude I’ve still hit and been hit for 250k in a global outside of wings

And the utility that ret has is off the charts

No melee dps should be able to spam dispel magic effects

Especially as a part of their dps rotation lmao

Ret single-handedly deleted ele shaman from PvP because they literally cannot do any dmg versing them

[rancid nymph]

DH too

[mild thunder]

Dh can’t spam dispel magic effects, you’re thinking of purging

Dps purging magic effects is fine

Dispel = defensive
Purge = offensive

[rancid nymph]

Reverse magic

[frosty nexus]

1 min cd

hardly spam

[rancid nymph]

It has cd tho not spammable

Tru

[mild thunder]

That’s not spam, that’s a 1min cd lol

[teal hedge]

Oh my god why do I keep getting matches with ultra low-mmr

[frosty nexus]

half of dhs never press it anyway kekw

[mild thunder]

Literally not a problem at all

It also has requirements like being next to whoever you’re dispelling

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[teal hedge]

I just had a sour game where a paladin dominated us (only one ranged dps moment)

[frosty nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[teal hedge]

But these queue-times make me want to queue healer.

I do not have the patience to wait 20-40 minutes only to get beat up and bullied by paladins :P

It feels good to improve and all that, but the queue-times gut me

[woeful solstice]

play 3s

dont play 2s

[teal hedge]

I play solo shuffle :P

3s don't feel as rewarding, because I'm not doing it myself, y'know?

[fresh valve]

3's is the only one with the reward tho

[sharp meteor]

wym all the rewards aside from r1 in shuffle are free

3s rating is harder and has more rewards

[teal hedge]

It's about feeling

It doesn't feel like I am improving or doing good playing that because I rely on teamwork, whilst solo shuffle is more of a fight-fest.

[sharp meteor]

i feel like playing shuffle makes me worse lmao

maybe it's different at high mmr

[stark reef]

Is 3s really harder though? You have 2 other players that cover for you if you mess up.

Imo 3s and 2s introduce a factor into pvp I don’t like, which is comfort level with your team.

Even two or three amazing players can have a terrible run because of disagreements - look at league super-teams.

Solo is all you

[wooden grove]

3s helps planning and execution of the plan where shuffle is mainly reacting to things that happen as they happen

There are definitely glads that are only glad because of who they play with

[stark reef]

Exactly - different skill, sure solo games look like a fiesta from a spectator perspective but that’s because no comms or coordination

The skill is adjusting

[stark reef]

That’s what I mean

[wooden grove]

Or having to make up for the garbage you got queued with in solo 😂

[stark reef]

Exactly, that 4th win is usually a carry

3s I can just play with 2 glas buddies that make me look amazing

Of course 3s is the higher level of play but it’s not just “raw skill” that makes it that way

[sharp meteor]

ya

although ig it edpends on how u mean

like 2400 shuff rn is top 27k

2400 3s is like top 1800

[stark reef]

I guess shuffle shows class imbalances more? Someone on a ret in solo prob outclimbs ret in 3s easily?

So that 2400 is mediocre for ret but 300points away from r1 title for fury

Also players participating in solo much more so a % would be a better gauge

[sharp meteor]

fury r1 is too low

everybody playin arms

[stark reef]

2700 on fury seems brutal tbh

But I’m also new

[fresh valve]

3's is only hard now because of how dead it is

[stark reef]

Tbh, I love pvp, went r14 in classic, started retail with SL S2, tried pvp via lfg and with guild - horrendous experience, never touched it again

Now solo shuffle I played 500 rounds in 1 week

[worthy fern]

Shuffle is jsut a dps race

[fresh valve]

funny cuz that was the best time to get glad through lfg

[worthy fern]

No one communicates and it’s just whoever can do more dam and trade better

Also some specs just fare far better in shuffle environment

[serene cobalt]

solo ques unmotivate me

[stark reef]

Finding people for 3s and 2s is just terrible - I tried the discords, the chat, the search function. 30min+ to find someone, lose 1 game, split

Especially if you have pvp experience but no retail rating

[fresh valve]

ya thats why ppl are paying for friends rn

[worthy fern]

I found all of my 3s teams through lfg and discord

[stark reef]

Id rather go 2100 in solo with bis gear and then look

Finding people at 1200 rating is a waste of time

[worthy fern]

You just rando queue until like 1800 and then start looking for regular players to add to bnet

[fresh valve]

yea the 1400 bracket is rough

[worthy fern]

Try and be someone’s third or you and a buddy look for thirds

[stark reef]

But in sl I couldn’t even get conq gear alone

[fresh valve]

ret easily carries that bracket tho

you could jump from challenger 1 to rival with a decent ret

[worthy fern]

Person I played with the longest I found in 2s we got our first 2.1 together over a few sessions and then started searching for a third in lfg

[fresh valve]

pretty quickly

[stark reef]

I'm not saying it's impossible - I'm just saying shuffle addressed a massive need for wow pvp. People that want to log on, play some games, log off.

I don't want to wargame in discord, I'll charge in, blow someone up, go next round

[fresh valve]

shuffle addressed that nobody wants to waste time teambuilding

[stark reef]

I sure don't

[fresh valve]

just for their comp to get fucked by other metacomps

[stark reef]

Right, didn't even mention the meta thing - arms was actually good in sl, image it's bad

Forget about it without shuffle

Off-meta and no conq set? 1400 is calling

[fresh valve]

arms is top tier now wym

probably 3rd best dps spec behind demo and ret

[stark reef]

I meant in the old system - if you played off-meta and needed to find a team to play pvp

[fresh valve]

old system hasnt changed lol just added a new game mode

[stark reef]

Always felt like wow pvp was a close circle you needed an invite to

But shuffle allows new players to get gear, practice and perform

[fresh valve]

wow pvp has been cannibalizing itself since WoD

p sure 30%+ of the playerbase pvp'd back then

[stark reef]

Loved the guild on guild pvp in classic

Actually epic memories

[fresh valve]

now its like maybe 10% to 5%

[worthy fern]

Being off meta in slands you could still do very well with skill

Doesn’t seem like that rn

Same in bfa

[fresh valve]

a lot more people were doin 3's those xpacs

[worthy fern]

I also think that the ease of which you can get gear means everyone fotm rerolls instantly

[fresh valve]

I dont think thats a bad thing tbh

yea ppl are gonna fotm but alt incentives are a good thing imo

[woeful solstice]

This is a bigger problem than most realize imo

[worthy fern]

No I agree easy gearing is good

[woeful solstice]

Alt friendliness is bad if the balance is bad

[worthy fern]

Right

Bigger issue is balancing

[woeful solstice]

Ret rework could’ve been 10.1

Why the fuck did they do it .7

[fresh valve]

It's more of a problem now because of how dead 3's is

[woeful solstice]

Tbf the ques were pretty dead before 10.0.7

Way more active now

Just 4 comps being played

[fresh valve]

less people playing means you're gonna see more of a certain class

I wonder how much the ladder's gonna inflate by end of season

[worthy fern]

I think a big reason is that the ret disparity is even worse in shuffle

So feels more miserable to play that

[fresh valve]

nah shuff is still mad easy

even semi-decent shadow priests can dunk on retarded rets in shuffle

[worthy fern]

What about semi decent rets

[fresh valve]

they're busy getting glad in 3's

[woeful solstice]

prob another 200ish rating imo

max

R1 prob gonna land at like 2750-2800 cutoff

[fresh valve]

so max is gonna be 3k

its fuckin insane that shuffle is at 3500 but 3's is at 2800

like how tf does that happen

[rancid nymph]

Because there's way bigger skill gaps

Would be my thought

[fresh valve]

that makes no sense lmfao

that doesnt explain rating inflation

[rancid nymph]

Idk man zug

[fresh valve]

this shits so cooked

should've equaled out the ratings

they stalled inflation to reduce warped perception of rating but all they did was make it worse

[woeful solstice]

player participation

more ppl playing solos

[fresh valve]

that inflated the rating by that much?

wasn't unchained's r1 cutoff 3700?

[green wyvern]

it was like 3400-3500

[stark reef]

This - don’t use points, use %

[fresh valve]

not much else that needs to be said lol

its a fucked up margin

how long was s2?

[green wyvern]

32 weeks or something

[fresh valve]

so shuffle's rating got close to that in 5 months

compared to an 8 month long season

bro if they made 3's solo que instead of adding shuffle everyone would have their glad mounts rn

[carmine spruce]

do you use 2 overpowers before ms or just ms off cd

[woeful solstice]

yes

guys ive officially gone sweat mode

[idle falcon]

xd

[woeful solstice]

moved my alt war to another account

so i can double my queue exposure

at different ratings/solo ques

[idle falcon]

xd

FUCKING LEAVERS

[woeful solstice]

[idle falcon]

they should lose 500 rating

auto

150 too low

basically 3 games

[quick carbon]

Blizz should delete shuffle

[copper hare]

I hope you get double queue pop at the same time

into tripple rets

in both lobbies

XD

[idle falcon]

blizz should make healers able to only play shuffle till the reach 1800

so we get matches

:D

[stark reef]

[teal hedge]

I feel like leveling a healer just for this reason alone

They should give warrior a fourth spec

[stark reef]

Idk what happened, went from 1770 to 2022 in 4 games just going 5/1 back to back. That coffee hit different.

Is this how rets feel?

[woeful solstice]

why

[teal hedge]

He's drinking hatorade

[woeful solstice]

[copper hare]

is that like

tantrum

[teal hedge]

Which healers work best with warriors?

Wanna help warriorbros kill paladincels

[woeful solstice]

sham/fist/prevoker

[teal hedge]

I got a level 60 shaman

But I don't wanna go full meta either

[fresh valve]

go full meta

[zinc flare]

Is there a way to set up sharpen blades and ms into a 1 button macro so I can use it better on cd? Still learning pvp and wanna try and reduce cludder

[stark reef]

Probably
#showtooltip Sharpen Blade
/cast Sharpen Blade
/cast Mortal Strike

Doesn’t seem ideal to me though - I’d recommend learning it proper from the get go

I’d recommend making a TellMeWhen icon right by your center frame that only shows when it’s off CD so you’re very aware and use it asap to clear vision

I have all my important buttons literally covering my character

[pallid comet]

how the fuck are you supposed to fight evokers

[stark reef]

Not a good example since some of my spells are on CD but you get the point. Once I press that button the icon disappears and starts to show with 75% opacity 10sec out and then fully there once off CD

[worthy fern]

@zinc flare learn to use sharpen properly

Will be better in the long run

[zinc flare]

I can't seem to find any really in depth guides on arms for pvp that's new player friendly. I can find a bunch of videos on builds and talents but not why to pick the talent and how to use it properly. Trying to watch higher rated players too but it's so fast paced lol

[stark reef]

https://youtu.be/ngFn5UJY4tI

Good video, was recommended to me in here. Any questions not answered in this video you can ask in this channel tbh

[rotund trellis]

ah yes, the good ol 1.1 sec kill

[viral haven]

how thd fuck do you win solo shuffle

if teammates just fucking dcie

even with me intervening them

[rotund trellis]

I'm playing as a rdruid. trust me, you don't

games at 800ish last like 6-8 seconds IF there's a pala

they get 6-0 constantly at this level and they steam to higher levels

it's just zug zug, cause people are on alts leveling gear or farming honor

and they just kill in around again, 10 seconds tops

[viral haven]

@rotund trellis i got to 1700, im floating around 1600

its just like

if someones inting there's nothing you can do

[slender rock]

Why are people playing bleed over spear build? Is it that much better?

[rotund trellis]

I am actually less salty healing than dpsING

it's prob cause of the non existent ques

like, most of the times it's a 3-3, you finish, que and gen in for the next one

it's insane how fast it is

[viral haven]

i dont even mind going 3-3 and going next, but 40 min queues just make it feel pointless

[rotund trellis]

I feel you. But it's also end of season

[idle falcon]

pinkclass in 2v2 = OP

[rotund trellis]

lol climbed 800 ranks as a healer in 45 minutes LMAO

the difference is abysmal

[magic wing]

Got my first 6/6 round after watching that video

Spear oneshots

[stark reef]

Bleed is higher raw dps, spear let’s you get a window of close to guaranteed uptime.

I tried spear but don’t like it compared to roar

I say close to guaranteed because you might just trade for an ice lock, deterence or divine shield which is still good but at that point you could have also just do high damage instead

[slender rock]

That’s what I assumed but was making sure I wasn’t missing something, thank you!

[magic wing]

So more ppl play bleed now

[stark reef]

Full disclosure - I play fury, I do not have Bladestorm/unhinged. I am also just 2k although I did get there quite fast.

I am sure experienced arms players have a better verdict on what goes in which bracket.

Might also be a difference between solos and team v team. Utility in 3s might go a longer way than in shuffle.

[rotund trellis]

it's a report fiesta while playing healer at rank 900

[scarlet flame]

im glad i dont have to sit through that rating

[rotund trellis]

it's like everyone complains there's not enough healers > they insult them all the time

[scarlet flame]

ive seen some arrogant shithead healers, people dont like healing because its not fun

[rotund trellis]

I have fun and honestly reporting these people is a cleanup of the house

[woeful solstice]

this guy has 2000 games on his hunter and is only 1600 do not feel bad

[copper hare]

did he whisper you first

[scarlet flame]

holy fuck

[copper hare]

or was the "?" the first one

[scarlet flame]

how do you have 2k games and only at 1600

[copper hare]

wait im searching for the screen

[rotund trellis]

of course

[rotund trellis]

[copper hare]

HOW ABT THAT

[scarlet flame]

oh my fuckin god

how

lmfao

HOOWW

[copper hare]

XD

[scarlet flame]

bro thats like 5k games played

[copper hare]

that was over a month ago btw

[scarlet flame]

i can't believe this

[copper hare]

that's around 890 shuffles

[scarlet flame]

oh okay thats rounds not like actual games

i was gunna quit for him

[fresh valve]

ELO HELL

[scarlet flame]

its not his fault i bet

[fresh valve]

blame healers

[lean burrow]

there's not enough time

either I get rival on 8 alts

[copper hare]

soo.. let's say he sat like 15 min per queue (which is probably way more), he was sitting in queue for around 220 hours, which sounds really... unreal to think about

[lean burrow]

or fruitlessly try to get glad on warrior

what do I do, bros

[fresh valve]

get the pimp dragon

[scarlet flame]

that is crazy

[lilac musk]

Does anyone have a link to a video where they break down rotation for Arms (bleed build) in SoloShuffle? Particularly looking for priority when in execute range between execute, MS, and overpower. Looking to get 1800 before S2.

[scarlet flame]

MS > everything always

[fresh valve]

dude couldve beat 10 other games

[pallid comet]

did spear of bastion get a utility nerf since SL? It feels like its a lot slower to deploy and people keep escaping even though i cast it right ontop of them.

[lean burrow]

mechanics the same, duration is down to 6 seconds from 8 or 10, cd is up from 1 min to 1.5 min

[pallid comet]

feels like the root used to go out a lot quicker

[fresh valve]

RMT 😈

[lean burrow]

don't have $1k to spend

[fresh valve]

sure you could get it for cheaper

ask @next rover

[lean burrow]

@next rover

[fresh valve]

yk I've been thinkin

people rmt glad mounts for over 700 bucks

[woeful solstice]

too much money for a fucking mount

why play the game

[fresh valve]

but people spend $3000 on a fuckin tiger

what's worse

[woeful solstice]

both are terrible

nobody buys spectral for 3k do they?

[stark reef]

quick question - during SL rend was bread & butter for arms - I don't see people use it much in DF videos

[fresh valve]

ik for a fact plenty of people have

[stark reef]

Is it now just for longer matches but not part of core-rotation?

[fresh valve]

https://www.wowtcgloot.com/reins_of_the_swift_spectral_tiger.htm

look at this shit

[lean burrow]

people used rend?

[stark reef]

It increased your %dmg

[fresh valve]

6k for a code

[quick carbon]

Just q ret war ez cr

[fresh valve]

nah bro self/play is a better comp

[quick carbon]

ret war is same results as self play and 100% cheaper

[fresh valve]

tru

seriously tho 3.5k for an invisible tiger

[woeful solstice]

i mean if you got the money fuck it

[mild thunder]

it's not real

it's gotta be fake

[woeful solstice]

but id rather donate 3k to fucking charity or something

jfc

[fresh valve]

the fel drake was 1.25k

[woeful solstice]

my dad bought a feldrake for like $50 back in the day

card from ebay

when they were new

[copper hare]

I made the screenshot

[fresh valve]

https://www.wowtcgloot.com/feldrake.htm

speculative assets must be a bitch

[mild thunder]

almost more believable than someone having 5000 games for 1200

[copper hare]

So that guy was either botting

or found a way to ditch the queue times

[stark reef]

Looking at your pinned comment on arms - rend maintenance - just keep applied?

[mild thunder]

genuinely

why would you even pvp

if you're that bad

[fresh valve]

charity is a scam

[woeful solstice]

the fuck it is

[copper hare]

I mean there is people raiding 3 days

[woeful solstice]

go to a local animal shelter

you're high

[copper hare]

that are still in heroic

[mild thunder]

[fresh valve]

ok not that

[mild thunder]

if you're raiding 3 days all season and not getting CE... bruh

[fresh valve]

but the march of dimes is definitely a scam

[woeful solstice]

yeah not major charity orgs i mean real charity

[scarlet flame]

usually when someone says charity is a scam they are talking about the ones that are clearly scam

[woeful solstice]

3k for a stupid tiger mount or go give 3k to an animal shelter or womans home. which way modern man

[mild thunder]

depends on the build

if you're using the spear build, it's basically just filler for when you have a spare gcd
if you're running bleed build, you maintain it

[stark reef]

perfect, ty!

[fresh valve]

Option 3 $3000 on cigarettes'

[woeful solstice]

[warped warren]

3k tiger

[fresh valve]

listen

cigarette aerobics are the key to eternal life

I know this

this is known

[copper hare]

Mike tyson had a real tiger at least

[mild thunder]

mike tython

[fresh valve]

$700+ for the glad mount is pretty bad, $3500 for the tiger is really bad

but that shit dont compare to what csgo players do

6 figures for a knife

[lean burrow]

I had karambit knife

[fresh valve]

bro the blue gem

went from 1.5m to 2m

[lean burrow]

good thing I don't know what tf is blue gem

[fresh valve]

a shitty knife

[lean burrow]

oh I remember this shit

the texture has random noise applied to it for every knife

and people pay huge money because some knife might have a different noise texture

ok, why's karambit now $800+ minimum

I could have held it and sold now

[woeful solstice]

i opened like

40 cases a week ago

3 knives

made 2k

never opening cases again dont wanna fuck up my w/l

[lean burrow]

now you can buy rtx 4090

and use it to play WoW

[sage raptor]

A man's home

[indigo barn]

Wasn't there an karambit blue gem that sold for 650,000 euros?

Not stattrak btw

[obsidian loom]

Imagine being so fried you spend money on this shit

[fresh valve]

the depths people spend money on a game only go deeper

[hazy isle]

I only spend money on cute anime girls in gacha games. Not knives and low res mounts like a nerd

[fresh valve]

[thick reef]

hey yall makin a new warr for s2 orc a safe choice with the cc changes?

[mild thunder]

aesthetic > racials

[scarlet flame]

if you aren't competing at 2500 your racial doesn't matter

[thick reef]

stuck at 1800

gnome it is

time for pink mohawk

[scarlet flame]

what

why are you even here retard fuck off

[fossil mortar]

<@&257983573498265600>

[fresh valve]

damn

[gaunt oar]

!ban @thick reef

[hardy latch]

Banned catler#0525

[warped warren]

[tepid stag]

[mild thunder]

what did catler do?

[scarlet flame]

slurs

[mild thunder]

rip

[fresh valve]

the woke mob got him

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-senator-armstrong-cancel-culture-strikes-again-cancel-culture-gif-25590481

[woeful solstice]

F

[mild thunder]

You millennial leftists who never lived one day under nuclear threat can now reflect upon your woke sky. You made quite a non-binary fuss to save the world from intercontinental ballistic tweets.

god bless america 🇺🇸

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

real tweet btw

[quick carbon]

buff warrior

to save wow from the ret menace

[scarlet flame]

agreed

[quick carbon]

i put on double dps trinkets

and used skullsplitter

did 70k dps and killed someone instantly

[scarlet flame]

skullsplitter is peak fun imo

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

hey shut up

[quick carbon]

shut it nerd