pvp

[viral haven]

these queues are so fucking dumb

i cdant even play the fucking game

lma

[mild thunder]

I don’t

[viral haven]

blizz make a functional queue system chalelnge

(impossible)

how is this so broken

[stark reef]

It’s not broken. There are not enough healers

Unless you want 6 dps games that’s it

[fresh valve]

shuffle these nuts

so blizz's response to D4 is to end the season earlier

worst case scenario happened I guess

[woeful solstice]

did you really want another month of this shit

[glacial badge]

Guys what is the go to build for Rbgs ?

[fresh valve]

another 2 months

hell I'd be fine if it dropped Mid July

[viral haven]

i want 1800 set

frankly

[fresh valve]

this season's glad mount is a pimp dragon

best glad mount design they've ever made

and they aint doin recolors so big L

[viral haven]

are they fixing solo shuffle next season? or removing it alltogether

[sage raptor]

im glad because if the model was shit, we'd be stuck with it for 2 and a half years

neither. theres nothing to fix except healer shortage

[viral haven]

interesting

im trying to grind to 1800

its not much of a grind if im stitting here waiting 30 mins to play ONCE

[sage raptor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we need more healers hoss

[viral haven]

this is so annoying how like

to have the best gear i need sparks

but i dont have any left

so i just cant have bis gear

because theres no way to farm sparks

u just have to wait

[fresh valve]

very bad time to get into pvp dawg

best time wouldve been bfa's last season tbh

[dark sparrow]

Don’t be pve scrub and use all your sparks

[viral haven]

this char was originally a pve char

i have full conquest gear, 1 piece of tier conquest gear and 0 infurious crafted pieces

i guess ill just run around farming rares while i wait for queue

[dark sparrow]

Also 30min q’s are rough for sure but if you 4-2 every lobby it only takes couple of games to get 1800

[viral haven]

i was so close last night. went 4-2 or 3-3 like 7 games in a row and got 1710

then went 3-3 and started losing rating

[fresh valve]

ya shuff's a joke free elite gear

[viral haven]

most of the time i lose is because i genuinely cannot train someone they just keep escaping. idk what to do. execution sentence seems good to keep catching them

idk

[fresh valve]

so in other words

theyre kiting you

[viral haven]

i meant death sentence

[viral haven]

i guess so yeah. they arent killing me but i just cant get to them to finish them off

i try to use piercing howl and hamstring but some classes seem like they can just escape so easily

[fresh valve]

stop chasing them then

[woeful solstice]

thats doable in literally a day brosef post your games in the review channel and we can take a look at it

[viral haven]

true yeah i gotta change my shadowplay to record like 10 mins at a time because its only on 3 mins rn

and it doesnt get the full game

[dark sparrow]

Yea you should post some games cause most of this issue is game knowledge

[viral haven]

10 mins of gameplay is 1.6gb god damn

is there a software that can easily save ur replays?

@dark sparrow

[woeful solstice]

lower the settings bro

720p/30fps

as long as the game is still legible

ill stand by it, games up to 2k-ish rating is just having your "go" very clean and not stunning something on DR

[frosty nexus]

idk man im seein ppl at 2400 who clearly have no fundamental game knowledge whatsoever

they are mostly ret paladins

[woeful solstice]

yeah thats an outlier

[frosty nexus]

but im sure thats just a coincidence

nothing matters anymore

[woeful solstice]

meh itll be over soon

imagine how good youll be having to deal with ret for so long

once its nerfed youll be gigachad

[frosty nexus]

i dont mind the damage its having them on my team that tilts me

[woeful solstice]

hahah

[frosty nexus]

cuz they just do the most random shit that defies logic

[woeful solstice]

i had rets at 2800 doing no sanc

or sac

insanity

[viral haven]

great

waited 35 min for queue

someone left after 2 rounds

fun!

[dark sparrow]

Yea just use OBS, it’s plug and play

Enter shuffle, start record. End shuffle, stop record

I mean I’ve sat 50min q’s for it to just bug out, one player doesn’t load in and straight back to q for another 30

But I just go out mount farming and shit most of the time during q

[formal ridge]

Anyone whose got recommendations on Warrior streamers to watch?

[fresh valve]

drainer

[formal ridge]

isnt he a healer

[fresh valve]

I wouldnt be r1 if it wasnt for drainer

[formal ridge]

safe lol

ill check him out 👍

[fresh valve]

wait no lol

just watch bajheera

[formal ridge]

heh

I was thinking like

Merce or Qwneer

Level of play

[viral haven]

second fucking game in a row

someone left

sitting here for almost 2 hours staring at the wall and i havent even played one game

nice system

[thick reef]

I see you too enjoy Ret Paladins

DESU VULT

[wheat jay]

are you?

susge

[fresh valve]

yea I am

drainer was my mentor

[wheat jay]

send check pvp

[fresh valve]

no

that website sends data to china

[viral haven]

are they not hotfixing ret?

before season end

[wheat jay]

susge

[fresh valve]

I dont need to explain my 2900 cr in 3's 😎

im so cool they wont put me on the ladder

fuck woke Blizzard

[wheat jay]

I'll put 1800 solo shuffle next to your name then if you dont mind

[fresh valve]

that's what the woke millenials at blizzard want you to believe

[wheat jay]

They succeeded

[fresh valve]

gonorrhea of the brain

terrible times indeed

[woeful solstice]

lol larp

still larping

[wheat jay]

The only r1 mentality warrior here is Kiggs

[obsidian loom]

Mud is R1 prot

How's blizz going to drop ret changes like they did just before season end, apply a bandaid and think it's fine

This is some private server unpaid dev shit

[thick reef]

PvP in wow is an after thought.

[obsidian loom]

We can tell as they frequently forget to add the honor/conquest vendors at season start

[woeful solstice]

i like mag and laros

and our resident chad mud

[obsidian loom]

Qwneer is ok when he's not playing wotlk 2s garbage

[river trench]

So is fury not doing so hot atm or is arms just that good? been seeing a lot of arms, but not nearly as many fury warriors in pvp.

[obsidian loom]

Fury's honestly fine

[thick reef]

Both are ass

Mainly because Ret shits on everything atm

[obsidian loom]

Absent ret they're fine

[woeful solstice]

just learn arms and thank yourself later

fury falls in and out of style often, arms tends to remain a bit more consistent in meta

SL had s4 fury dominance and BFA had a season of fury dominance as well but arms tends to hold up better

[river trench]

i have been a fan of the more speedy gameplay loop that fury has, but at this point kind of tired of just spamming RB and rampage.

[woeful solstice]

its always fun turning brain off for fury meta when you've been playing arms too

[thick reef]

Absent the best class in the game atm who is stealing most of the R1 slots

Right

[mild thunder]

Gigachad

[river trench]

Ok, havent touched warrior since the start of dragonflight, and literally have never touched arms, if yall wouldnt mind, would someone explain to me like im 5 what the playstyle is like for the pinned talent builds?

[obsidian loom]

To be fair warr is right behind them

[obsidian loom]

Fury but you spam op and and ms instead with rend as filler

[hardy gazelle]

same spot. been doing good just slamming MS and ignore pain. and try to cc people. been working fine

[mild thunder]

Mortal strike > overpower > mortal strike > overpower > mortal strike > overpower > mortal strike > overpower….

[clever igloo]

whats a mortal stone

[mild thunder]

Who knows

[clever igloo]

I was genuinely confused for a min and realized it was a typo

[mild thunder]

Ours is not to question

[river trench]

alright. Thanks guys. just gonna get my bars set up and take his ass through some bgs.

[clever igloo]

i had the feeling that i wasn't using mortal stone all along

[copper hare]

who else is hyped for the awc clown fiesta this weekend

[wheat jay]

Double ret

Incoming

[copper hare]

double ret fistweaver

vs double ret rsham

[woeful solstice]

I am hyped knowing it leads to ret nerfs

Or maybe we just give Holinka too much credit and he’s actually an idiot at balance

A nice ret nerf could give us a month of good PvP to cap off the season

[wheat jay]

I MEAAAAAAN

Find me one season that hasn't been dominated by one class or comp due to some new mechanic or just retarded buffs

Lets round it a bit

Starting from bfa

Broken trinkets

Broken pve items that are better than pvp items

Broken trinkets again

Retarded strong classes

Broken oneshots

Etc

[woeful solstice]

Ya he’s bad lmao

Remember drest trinket

Or bike

LOL

[copper hare]

bfa season 1

was probably the best season we had in the last 5-6 years

[wheat jay]

Ngl I havent played it

Got 1800 and stopped

GETIKU

Gotchu

Easy clap

[copper hare]

it was kinda damp but a lot of different comps

from that on bfa went downhill every season

[wheat jay]

Then shadowlands with either warrior or rogue superiority

With some jungle in the mix

And now

Absolute fucking clusterfuck of everything AND dead rated brackets

[fresh valve]

Dual wielding Gavel + Jaithys was amazing

bring back Scars

[viral haven]

I CANT BEAT THE FUCKING PALADINS MAN

ITS INSANE

[mild thunder]

I’ll maintain that SoloQ (the way they implemented it) was downright bad

And I don’t think they can ever really, properly fix 3s now

[fresh valve]

buy a boost

money can beat the paladins

[viral haven]

i literally just want 1800 for the set

[fresh valve]

ima be real bröther u literally got a month to get that set

just turn your monitor on and play

you'll get it eventually

[thick reef]

Go find a Ret to carry you to 1800

[copper hare]

I still can't believe they were actually thinking not inflating 3s mmr from the beginning was a great idea

Like it's not like SL s4 was already dead anyways

[fresh valve]

the ladder snapshot idea Mes had was good

inflate based on how much rating was gained that week

[viral haven]

im tempted to

im fucking annoyed

i get 3-4 wins every solo shuffle game but like

queues are bonkers

its a watse fo tiem

[fresh valve]

pig latin

[thick reef]

S2 is more likely to struggle as well with active player drop off. Usually each expansion's season has less activity than the season before it.

[mild thunder]

definitely some chimp-brained behaviour

kinda sad that they're not doing anything to even try and incentivise 3s in s2

[fresh valve]

nah this is good

no more fake glads

[wheat jay]

3s are dead

For every casual player and those that are not r1 but were getting glad mounts

Its dead

[thick reef]

There are 2 solutions to 2s/3s.

1. Artificially inflate the bracket.
2. Incentivize casuals to farm it for content b/c BiS or almost equivalent.

[wheat jay]

If they make it bis there will be shadowlands s1 issue

Boosts only

[mild thunder]

artificial inflation isn't a solution

[wheat jay]

Artificial inflation would be a very minor fix

[thick reef]

S1 wasn't boosts only, it was actually not a hard season to push rating if you were right classes.

[mild thunder]

locking gear ranking behind it incentivises boosts and pisses everyone off

[viral haven]

red elite set + teshwack

it’s a need

[wheat jay]

S1 was literally THE boosted season

Half the games were against boosters

[mild thunder]

the only solution they could really do is to shuffle rewards around and lock stuff like the elite set behind 3s

[thick reef]

Yah, but it was also THE inflated season

[mild thunder]

that was s2

[wheat jay]

It wasn't, s2 was

[thick reef]

You'll just get more unsubs.

[wheat jay]

Then 2s and 3s stay dead

[mild thunder]

i dont think that many people would unsub bec of that

[wheat jay]

Some would

Like 0.1%

[mild thunder]

but yea fact is, 2s/3s are just dead and will only get deader

[wheat jay]

Or less

[mild thunder]

because blizz has no desire to fix it

[wheat jay]

Even if they do, they cant

They'd need to make solo shuffle be 1 game xD

And not 6

[mild thunder]

its literally a riot mmo waiting room

[wheat jay]

And call it 3s lol

[thick reef]

True story
Solo shuffle is a better PvP experience for 95% of PvPers than 3s/2s was.

[wheat jay]

Riot mmo will be good

[thick reef]

If it wasn't 3s/2s wouldn't be dead

[wheat jay]

Its easier rating

[mild thunder]

wouldnt even fix why i hate soloQ tbh - why the fuck would i play an mmo, so that i can NOT play competitive pvp with friends lmao

soloQ just doesnt make sense for an mmo

[thick reef]

It's easier barrier to entry

[wheat jay]

People tend to play easier bracket for easier rating to get Elite sets and other shit

[mild thunder]

thats not why 2s/3s are dead

[wheat jay]

Cuz there's 0 barrier

[mild thunder]

soloQ is easier, not better

[wheat jay]

You dont need lfg

[mild thunder]

its also giga-inflated

[wheat jay]

There's no coordination

[mild thunder]

so terminal 1600 players get 2.4 and think they're gods

[wheat jay]

Its easier to play cuz you just zug zug

And despite all that, people are still often stuck below 1800

[mild thunder]

yea idk how

if you cant get 1800 in soloQ

[wheat jay]

Bro

[mild thunder]

idk man

[wheat jay]

I was doing some 0 gear warr

Literally pve gear xD

And I didnt even play well with that

[mild thunder]

1800 in soloQ is legit like 1k in real arenas

[wheat jay]

Still winning

[thick reef]

Only people I know struggling to get 1800 in solo shuffle are healers not in the top spec due to shifting over tuning

[mild thunder]

then you havent been reading this disc enough lul

there's tons of hardstuck sub 1800 players

[wheat jay]

Of every spec

And every class

[thick reef]

Then they should have gotten their rating before 10.0.7

[mild thunder]

it's still easy now lmao

[wheat jay]

Its easy now too

[thick reef]

Shadow priest is a dead spec atm

[wheat jay]

Nothing changed in terms of rating acquisition

[mild thunder]

if you cant get 1800 in soloQ, your spec isnt the problem

[wheat jay]

1800 still free for every spec

[thick reef]

Probably

[mild thunder]

definitely

go in > do dmg > win

[wheat jay]

You only need to zug zug some dmg

Maybe not int your one defensive in the Opener xD

[mild thunder]

ive seen people at that rating spend 10 seconds sending CDs into bop

like bruh

how

the fuck

do you not notice

the big IMMUNE notifications

or their health bar not moving lmao

[thick reef]

You'd be surprised how many people play with no addons

[mild thunder]

no, literally reviewing gameplay

watching this

[thick reef]

or don't have dmg #s rendering on screen

[wheat jay]

Its not addons stuff

[mild thunder]

and you dont need addons to see that shit

[wheat jay]

Its literally brain check xD

[thick reef]

I'm not saying you do

[mild thunder]

floating combat text is a part of the game

no addons needed

[thick reef]

I thought they turned that off by default now

[mild thunder]

they just limited customisation

its still on

[woeful solstice]

ngl im quitting this forsaken game if i cant secure glad

been a good run

gonna spam ret/war to 2400

[mild thunder]

but yea there are also tons of UI improvements blizzard really should make for pvp

in-built sArena/gladius frames
in-built personal DR tracker
better nameplate customisation

there should probs be some in-game weakaura type stuff

[thick reef]

It's never going to happen

[mild thunder]

since there's just so much going on

it wont, but that doesnt mean it shouldnt

[fresh valve]

not even for next seasons weinerdragon?

[woeful solstice]

that thing is ugly compared to s1

[thick reef]

Be an old person in the nursing home, trying to explain how to get gladiator

The gladiator mount kinda alienated a lot of players.

[wheat jay]

@woeful solstice sadge

[fresh valve]

Boycott pvp

[mild thunder]

i swear even a dementia-ridden boomer could play ret to 2.4

[woeful solstice]

im too addicted to quit

which means

im getting the mount

[wheat jay]

Go work at Blizzard, they do that every season

[woeful solstice]

[wheat jay]

Assuming you can

[woeful solstice]

i am capable

i just need to get the games in

[thick reef]

I'm curious to see how S2 turns out, but i'm pretty sure it's gonna be a similiar turnout to s1 2s level of players.

[mild thunder]

just need to find a decent ret

[woeful solstice]

yep

fwiw i have played multiple games at top 1%

[fresh valve]

I'll do it to stop global warming

[woeful solstice]

why not Wow

[mild thunder]

there are some pretty dogshit rets out there

[wheat jay]

Your sacrifice won't be forgotten

[thick reef]

There's nothing in S2 I want besides a priest transmog, the mount is ugly as shit, so I'm looking at content in M+ b/c the devs actually have done new stuff there in the past 4 years

[woeful solstice]

s2 df mount prob gonna be mega inflated bracket

[fresh valve]

idk why they didnt do recolors

[woeful solstice]

like sl s2

[mild thunder]

i would 100% quit wow if there were any other decent games to play

[woeful solstice]

there are other decent games

[fresh valve]

lmfao

[woeful solstice]

but WoW hits diff

[thick reef]

The only way that happens is if they don't release s3

[mild thunder]

for oce players, wow is pretty much the only good pvp mmo

[fresh valve]

mmo pvp

[thick reef]

That's called addiction

[mild thunder]

ff14 has even worse pvp, and everything else is NA-only

[woeful solstice]

correct

[mild thunder]

gw2 pvp is pretty goated tho

[fresh valve]

Lost ark

[mild thunder]

also NA-only

[thick reef]

MMO PvP, b/c if i put this much time into being good at real life, i'd have achievements I could talk about in public or at social events people would recognize besides, (Oh yah, i played wow a decade ago)

lol

[woeful solstice]

hahaha

yea

[fresh valve]

wow pvp sucks for people who play a shit ton of other games

[mild thunder]

dude, everyone will respect me when i tell them im a gladiator

[thick reef]

You could have stopped at the 3rd word.

[fresh valve]

true

[thick reef]

Yah, make sure to ask for your 10% discount at wendy's

[woeful solstice]

aite too much cope in chat

cya dorks

off to que

[thick reef]

Excuse me sir, I'm a gladiator, don't talk to me that way..... /s

[fresh valve]

remember wow pvp predates esports

[mild thunder]

"You can't arrest me officer! Do you know who I am!? I'm Demonic Gladiator Dekel!"

[thick reef]

I'm pretty sure e sports pre dates the internet

[wheat jay]

Is that actual quote?

Sounds believable

[mild thunder]

id believe it

i was the officer

[thick reef]

Somehow I bet you'll find that quote in some episode of cops or live pd

[fresh valve]

they were probably stealing mtn dew

[mild thunder]

wish dekel would unban me from twitch chat

[hazy isle]

the first time they make glad mounts different (from what i know) and it turns out way uglier than the first lmao

[thick reef]

So sad but true story, my arena buddies have stopped logging in over the last 2-3 weeks since the D3 beta.

[stark reef]

Is there a good guide on wrecking throw? What skills? Only one i know is health cocoon

[thick reef]

If you see a big shield

[stark reef]

you mean on their healthbar?

[thick reef]

and the grey looks bigger than what one MS crit would do, use throw

cocoon, disc shield, whatever, it's all dmg

[mild thunder]

cocoon
dark pact
shield of vengeance

[fresh valve]

I mean its not that ugly, aura effects could be better. S1 is just so much better

[thick reef]

I see people run away when that shield goes up and I"m like, wtf, just burn it in 3 seconds.

[stark reef]

But how do you "see" a big shield? Looking at their HP bar?

[thick reef]

yah

[stark reef]

Ok

[fresh valve]

the mount could also be bigga

[hazy isle]

yea its not bad compared to maybe other glad mounts, but s1 is just too good. Sad that this season was so defllated

[fresh valve]

they really shouldve just did recolors

[thick reef]

I'm curious if this is one of the "shorter" seasons

or just average

[mild thunder]

this is probably normal season length for DF

they've already given out the 2023 roadmap

[wheat jay]

Did you Ask about the stat bug?

[hazy isle]

def not playing warr s2

too boring

[thick reef]

I dunno about you, but dev roadmaps often mean shit

[mild thunder]

asked him if he played classic because he was scared of Mud

[wheat jay]

Now ask Mud about shuffle mmr on his alts

[fresh valve]

just dont even play s2 unless its giga inflated

[thick reef]

My S2 plans are probably playing priest to top b/c i'm sick of DPS qs

[fresh valve]

this season was legit stress inducing

[wheat jay]

If s2 is inflated I pray for Frost tsg to be broken and I get welfare glad

Easy

[hazy isle]

im doing thug

[mild thunder]

nah s2 is big kitty cleave meta

just wait

[hazy isle]

but idk how rogue will be

in .1

[thick reef]

pretty sure they don't want rogue to be meta

[mild thunder]

well, based on the last 15 years id say rogue will probably be fine

[thick reef]

Also pretty sur e nerfs/buffs are randomly picked

[mild thunder]

that'd be a first

[thick reef]

I feel like some of the recent/planned rogue tuning is going to kick them in the nuts, but we'll see in the end.

[mild thunder]

rogue's already been tuned and has dropped massively in popularity

no reason for further nerfs

[wheat jay]

If it was KFC id piss myself from happiness

[fresh valve]

ima be real they should give all CE raiders or Glads t-shirts

[wheat jay]

But id be fine with tsg

[hazy isle]

tsg is boring tho

like retwarr

[wheat jay]

62lvl on dk

[thick reef]

I think you're overestimating how hard CE is

[wheat jay]

4 seasons of KFC

I need some zugzug

[mild thunder]

i just dont think its possible for KFC to ever really be meta again

[wheat jay]

Nope

[mild thunder]

hunter always pairs better with feral now

[wheat jay]

Sadly

[fresh valve]

not hard they should just give t-shirts

CE is usually a joke end of season

[thick reef]

Not gonna happen, that'd cut into bobby's yacht fund

.... Where do i swipe my credit card for gladiator?

[mild thunder]

at the Ret Shop

[fresh valve]

2200+ bracket is mostly boosters fighting other boosters anyway

[mild thunder]

Rets for Rent

Rent-A-Ret sounds better

[thick reef]

I already have that, I also have the war, but I have no friends anymore they all quit.

[fresh valve]

just hire a European mercenary to boost you

[woeful solstice]

are you 2200

[fresh valve]

2900 😎

[woeful solstice]

k

[thick reef]

I was one of those people who leveled like 7 toons to max b/c I wanted to be a DF gladiator, I gave up first month when all my friends quit. Noone else i know will put effort into it.

[woeful solstice]

i am 2250 mmr right now in 3s and its not boosters fighting boosters

its just the same 4 comps over and over again

[thick reef]

SL s1-S4 was my first duelists

[woeful solstice]

youd be surprised 3s is not as dead as people want you to think its just homogenized to like the same handful of comps

[thick reef]

FIgured DF S1 would have so many people gladiator would be within reach.

Boy was I wrong

[woeful solstice]

df s1 is just a tough season but its not as bad as you think

[fresh valve]

meta-comps is a big reason why ppl dont wanna do 3's

[woeful solstice]

i bet r1 will be like 2800

by the end of this

if you go look in lfg right now theres a ton of groups because s2 announce

gonna be a busy month ppl pushing

[fresh valve]

[mild thunder]

doubt

[woeful solstice]

id rather smoke hopium than be a whiny copium cuck

[fresh valve]

blizz doesnt want you to know that I'm the real rank 1

[thick reef]

My issue is a social problem, I lack people to push rating with, want to push, and are willing to fail/learn, and are also interesting enough to talk to for hours while you play.

[woeful solstice]

this was my excuse in SL

i just started adding ppl and making friends

im doing the best i ever have right now in one of the hardest seasons

[thick reef]

I'm just losing interest in trying anymore.

[woeful solstice]

yeah its tiring

ngl

[wheat jay]

I just forced Kargish to play with me

[fresh valve]

the truth is that its not fun

[wheat jay]

Easy

[woeful solstice]

i forced calibri to heal me back in sl

then he disappeared

[fresh valve]

WoW's just a mental illness at this point

[thick reef]

Well, at least there's the fact that most people in RL don't know the diff between duelist and gladiator when I bore them with my rhetoric 😉

[wheat jay]

He bad

[woeful solstice]

at healing? lmao ya we didnt get very far

[fresh valve]

actually WoW's always been a mental illness but it was fun when it was a nationwide mental illness

global even

[woeful solstice]

guys

go watch supas stream,

[viral haven]

bahjeera only charges 350k an hour :4head:

[woeful solstice]

0-4 and back to 2050

[fresh valve]

get your boosts from Drainer

[woeful solstice]

holy fuck im gonna pull my hair out

lfg is driving me insane

[quick carbon]

Rip solo shuffle

The 3k shuffle 1500 3v3 players finna be mad as fuck

[woeful solstice]

this is a good thing

[fresh valve]

they got detectives on the case boiz

[thick reef]

LMAO

[elfin surge]

#8 is leveled (one is eu)

😎

[copper hare]

you need a gf

[simple rock]

mud is so cool wtf...

[last orbit]

and what took me a month to do on my evoker took me about 3 days to do as arms

1800 rating. and not stopping till 2100

[mild thunder]

damn, you need to find 8 rets to queue with

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-mmr-inflation-in-rated-pvp-332281

doesnt matter if you cant push w/o a ret xD

[copper hare]

the amount of ret feedback on both forums and twitter

and nothing????

they must be kidding

[gritty hearth]

How long does it take for the unhinged mortal strikes to go off? Have to wait the full bladestorm?

[mild thunder]

It won’t get fixed until s2, unironically

[woeful solstice]

roundtripped all my rating gains

i will not give up

[lean burrow]

2nd and 4th tick of bs

[woeful solstice]

why am i so fucking trash at this game

barely a 51% wr

[clever igloo]

my friend who started playing last week with ret paladin is at now around 2100 solo shuffle rating

[lean burrow]

2100

i'm 1400 but i don't remember playing 3s

[woeful solstice]

this is 3s bro

solos is a joke

2100 solos is basically 1400 3s at this rate

[clever igloo]

my bad

[woeful solstice]

[mild thunder]

that's honestly

unimpressive

as ret

im 2350 in like 40 rounds as ret, cbf doing one more queue

[woeful solstice]

[indigo barn]

2000-2500 is the same rating in SS

[mild thunder]

true

actually nah last i remember ~2200 has a lot of hardstuckers

but its hard to tell now because all my alts are mmr-boosted

[woeful solstice]

yup

its the same game for 500 rating

[indigo barn]

Seesaw bracket

[magic wing]

Perfect

I just want mounts and the armor

[still talon]

does haste make our dots tick faster

[mild thunder]

yes

[warped warren]

[tepid stag]

ret enh popped cds into me while I was in d and inside earthern with healer not in cc and still cranked my bootyhole

[opaque quarry]

I mean, it's Ret. What'd you expect? Esp w/ an Enh.

[muted surge]

Don’t worry

With the ret nerf comming on reset

It’s gonna be fun again

[sage raptor]

Rest is getting nerfed for sure

[opaque quarry]

You mean the cleanse nerf?

[sage raptor]

Rest was nerfed when .7 came

[sage raptor]

Yeah

[opaque quarry]

Still needs more

https://tenor.com/view/trash-garbage-ex-boyfriend-müll-abfall-gif-15253023

^ That nerf

[woeful solstice]

i am losing my mind queing 3s rn

another 1000 games right guys

[magic wing]

Just make it harder to play, even dribbling r-tards can do good dam on ret

In all content

[fossil mortar]

I see Ret pop, I stun. He trinky, I disarm. He sad. He go again? I stun, he bop. I leap away. He goes again! I smile.

[mild thunder]

enh burst is wild

[mild thunder]

ret isn't getting real nerfs until s2

[tepid stag]

so I just push parry into that? I’m literally disarming his wings then stunning him off that which he trinkets and he still has like 12 seconds of wings left

[mild thunder]

enh can oneshot you on their own, you should almost defs be popping parry against DW/asc + wings

[tepid stag]

Ok

[mild thunder]

earthen wall is nice, but it's not enough to stop a full enh/ret burst combo

[sage raptor]

rest not ret.

[tepid stag]

til

[sage raptor]

actual resting lol

theres no resting with current ret

[mild thunder]

you mean rsham?

[tepid stag]

And then I gotta pump him so that I’m not behind on cds for his next wings right

[mild thunder]

no, dont bother hitting a ret unless you have to

[sage raptor]

cease work or movement in order to relax, refresh oneself, or recover strength.

[mild thunder]

if a ret dies to an arms warrior, they're retarded

[tepid stag]

Ok enh

[quick carbon]

Maybe hitting ret is the move cuz they can’t use sac on themselves

[mild thunder]

Best play is to cc the fuck out of them while you kill another target imo

Stun them, fear them, MC them, whatever

[sonic kettle]

Hey guys, I'm thinking of maining a warrior for arena and just wanted to ask what the best races are?

[simple rock]

swapping to ret only feels good on sac or if they happen to get low from cleave

[sonic kettle]

How good is human/nelf? Would I be losing alot compared to dark iron/gnome?

And will orc be any good next patch?

[magic wing]

Go orc

[simple rock]

you can play any of those races it doesn't make a huge difference

[magic wing]

Zug zug

[simple rock]

orc is best atm

but orc is getting nerfed in 10.1

[mild thunder]

doesnt matter

orc isnt best

orc is super mid rn

[magic wing]

Orc is getting buffed you mean

[simple rock]

just mean the racial itself

[mild thunder]

yea the racial isnt very good right now

[simple rock]

nerfed in half in 10.1 but yea trinket bonus is gone

[magic wing]

What is best horde race then ?

[mild thunder]

idk, they're all kinda mid... if you're making race-decisions on based on what's "best" instead of what's aesthetically pleasing, you'll probably regret it anyway

[magic wing]

I will go orc anyway

DID rn

[mild thunder]

you're better off picking a character you can bear to look at for 3+ hours than one that'll make you 0.00001% better

[simple rock]

fem orc best looking armor

[mild thunder]

orc defs best aesthetically imo

you get the best of both worlds - beefy male orc for bulky mogs

and fem orc for the more sleek, subtle mogs

male zandalari would be bis if they got their feet covered... their skeleton is super well-made imo

[fresh valve]

humans have best mogs

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-phil-hair-loss-wig-take-the-l-gif-25580887

[fresh valve]

almost every mog'll look good on em

orcs are so hunched its goofy

female orcs are ugly

[opal acorn]

Orc have terrible mogs imo. Terrible body analogy

[magic wing]

Orcs arent hunched

[opal acorn]

Female orcs are cool

[fresh valve]

Male orcs have the same problem as Tauren

mogs dont fit their proportions

[opal acorn]

If they were taller and the upper legs were larger, they would have been cool

[fresh valve]

I legit think almost all the games sets are designed with humans in mind

[opal acorn]

They are

[magic wing]

Boring af humans

[fresh valve]

never said they were the best race. definitely best mogs tho

[sonic kettle]

Humans do have the best mogs

If I were picking based on looks I would go human as first choice and nelf as second

But escape artist and stun reduce seem really good

I'm unsure what value human racial gets in alot of matchups

It's true you need to look at the character for hours on end

That's why I struggle with gnome

Escape artist is sick but it looks a bit clapped on a warrior

[teal hedge]

Funny wrognen

[mild thunder]

Yea just pick aesthetic

Pretty much all the racials add some decent value if you know how to use them.

[teal hedge]

I think Genn Greymane is cool, so I picked worgen, simple as.

Alt is a dranei

(Male)

[sonic kettle]

Man those are some rough race choices lol

I do think all these transmogs are designed with humans in mind

I mean humans get over 40 face options, clearly favouritism

Gnome and dark iron are strong racials but they are small and goofy

Human and nelf most sexy races, racial value questionable

[wheat jay]

@mild thunder bro have you seen draenei in new mail armor?

Straight up blue denatrhius haha

[lean burrow]

what armor

[mild thunder]

^

[wheat jay]

suffused

ill send

1sec

xD

[magic wing]

Dark iron is sick but run like fucking Asterix

If you have like 100% speed

[mild thunder]

what set is that???

[opal acorn]

This fkn artji flexing the best set

Although I think they reduced the quality a bit

[magic wing]

Draenei to me are pussy orcs

[opal acorn]

It's the new world set in 10.1 for mail

[magic wing]

Unfit to be any melee race besides pink man

[wheat jay]

suffused

[wheat jay]

they did, they removed metal parts on sleeves

[opal acorn]

Also the particles seem weird.

[wheat jay]

there's no particles

it looks "burnt"

[mild thunder]

idk some 10.1

stuff

i really dont like the aesthetic

[opal acorn]

I think it's one of the best sets

Especially the pants

[lean burrow]

no cleavage = not denathrius

[magic wing]

I only like our set

And priest

[mild thunder]

ummmmmmmm rogue?

literally the Shredder from TMNT

[opal acorn]

Find it boring

Our set is nice I just would want pants like those in the pic above

[sonic kettle]

Lmao asterix is right

NGL 10% stun reduce still seems sick for orc

And orc model is decent and fitting for warrior

[mild thunder]

orc will still be good

just not insane... probably

especially if meta gets slower, cc becomes less important and games are more pve-oriented

[sonic kettle]

They will also make those cc changes

Longest stun is 5s becoming 4.5s

[teal hedge]

Will they buff worgen?

[wooden grove]

Don’t empower the furries

[teal hedge]

Worgne cool

They british ....l

Get gabbin or get goijn

[magic wing]

Orc will always be good, since vanilla

[teal hedge]

Orc is pretty cool, just a shame I do not play on a horde server

[rapid shore]

gnomies :3

[mild thunder]

Does it really matter anymore?

If you need to wpvp, just lfg

Cross faction guilds come in 10.1

[teal hedge]

Also a shame I'm no horde filth

[mild thunder]

I love the stormwind aesthetic, and Varian is one of my favourite characters in wow, but the horde feels pretty good to fight for

Especially the Tauren

They’re chill bro

[warped warren]

bruh

[mild thunder]

Also

Frostwolf pride, all day

[rapid shore]

[teal hedge]

Yeah bloodhoof pretty cool

And anduin is also pretty cool rn

Though I wanna unlock the allied races for alliance, but it seems very annoying.

[mild thunder]

Anduins a bitch

Alliance doesn’t really have any cool characters left

Lost tirion, varian, malfurion, turalyon’s kind of a bitch, Jaina been afk for two expansions

all the decent alliance characters left are neutral, like Khadgar

[sharp meteor]

That's actually kind of cool.

[teal hedge]

Anduin has been popping off ever since BFA, and greymane is a cool character.

And doesn't the alliance have Velen?

Also, what happened to Malfurion? (I have not played since Legion).

And did Tirion fuckin die as well???

Oh he died in legion?

Shit sucks

[mild thunder]

Malfurion got traded for Ysera

Anduin is boring af

All he did in SL was go bad and be a budget Arthas

Velen also been afk since legion

[teal hedge]

Anduin is like Varian except more efficient, I guess

Dealing with nobles and defias

[mild thunder]

…

No

[teal hedge]

Woyerking went hard, loved Varian

But Anduin has gotten a lot done

[mild thunder]

Also anyone that thinks the Defias are actually bad is cooked

[teal hedge]

Well yeah, but he did establish absolute authority, something that Varian tried to do but failed :P

[mild thunder]

Yea because the wow writers now are dumb

[teal hedge]

I honestly think they might be uninspired seeing as the game is just as old as I am

[mild thunder]

The story might be old, the writers aren’t

[spice hornet]

damn went

[mild thunder]

They just seem like a group of 21st century geeks that are high on marvel

[spice hornet]

on vacation for 9 days right after the first ret nerfs andd theyre s till so strong

[teal hedge]

Yeah I dislike tropes

[mild thunder]

Old wow storytelling was a lot more mature and serious, more like warhammer

Now it’s like watching a marvel movie

[teal hedge]

Yeah Arthas story went hard

[mild thunder]

Listening to the quest dialogue makes my ears bleed

Especially anything with Wrathion this xpac

Oooooooomsga cringe

[teal hedge]

I think Wrathion is pretty charming

[magic wing]

Yeah fuck Marvel

[teal hedge]

They establish him well as a foolhardy character

Sabellian is a little too boring for me

[steep inlet]

Varian last stand

Is insane

https://tenor.com/view/badass-varian-wrynn-gif-11027047

[vestal oxide]

Guys , who can lend me an healer and 3rd mate for 3s in EU 😦
2k atm i need to push 2k4 for Tmog 😦

[rapid shore]

wtf

[teal hedge]

Wait, is a new season dropping the second?

[rapid shore]

just got a patch via launcher and now this

[teal hedge]

Says the same for me!

But I suppose the servers are down for a hotfix or something.

[rapid shore]

there is forum post about this

[teal hedge]

And?

[rapid shore]

nothing :D

[teal hedge]

Huh

Okay, they haven't updated their servers yet

[rapid shore]

if update goes through(10.0.7.48892) you'll get this error

u in us?

[teal hedge]

EU

[rapid shore]

same

[teal hedge]

That's baller

[rapid shore]

i misclicked leave game instead of logout and patch installed :D

so cant login now xD

[teal hedge]

That's baller

Oh well, just gotta wait til they fix it

[rapid shore]

yep

[sharp meteor]

Incompatible means not on the current patch and need to update

[sharp meteor]

Season is in a month

[teal hedge]

Aight

[rapid shore]

just got a patch so i think client is newer than server version

or something like that

[teal hedge]

Restarted pc, no fix :P

So the servers might just be on the wrong patch

[rapid shore]

y

exactly my friend

[spice hornet]

All this game is is demo lock ret paladin

[teal hedge]

@rapid shore Is back

[viral haven]

bro im literally gonna buy an 1800 carry

like

these paladins are insane

I CANT FUCKING COMPETE

I CANT COMPETE

[rapid shore]

yep, thanks

[sonic kettle]

Anyone tried night elf warrior? How useful did you find shadowmeld?

[vestal oxide]

yes you can , just take a ret with you x)

[onyx sonnet]

Anyone getting lots of DCs since reset?

[teal hedge]

I now have all glad (except feet and helm which are the crafted ones)

Now I just need to use the funny machine to make my glad-armour the tierset

Finally get upper hand in world-pvp
arena time

I'm back on my losing-streak bs

[muted surge]

No ret

Should have been easy wins :(

[teal hedge]

Yeah

But healer messed up when we had an easy win ahead

And mage and shaman found it funny to cc-spåam me

I think I need more haste, like desperately

[muted surge]

11% is fine

[teal hedge]

But I feel so sluggish doing my imputs

And it's harder to hit my combos

[muted surge]

Combos?

[teal hedge]

Well, I always apply colossus before I execute otherwise it sorta hits like a wet noodle

And with higher haste I suppose it would be smoother

[muted surge]

You play iftk anyway

So it doesn’t make that big of difference

[teal hedge]

iftk?

[muted surge]

In for the kill

[teal hedge]

What's that? :P

You mean solo shuffle?

[teal hedge]

Yeah I play that

[honest depot]

Hows fury in PvP these days?

[obsidian loom]

I'm guessing we're going to get a big nerf after AWC this weekend because eSports need to be a consideration for some reason

[obsidian loom]

Fury is fine in solo, arms is slightly better but worse vs casters because fury has more rootbreak

I'm doing better as fury in solo tbh but not sure why

[honest depot]

Yeh I just enjoy fury more in PvP

But do we have to rush 2h conq weps first? Or can we get away with one

[viral haven]

must be nice having catalyst charges

[teal hedge]

I do not have such things

I am at 37% charge right now

[sonic kettle]

Is human double dps trinkets a significant damage increase with the stat and proc? Or is it more negligible?

[teal hedge]

The worst kind of games are the ones where one of the healers doesn't know their spec, so all dps players get three wins, and one healer gets 6

[sharp meteor]

Free conquest/honor.

[teal hedge]

I do not need such things, I need to rank up

[thick reef]

It's certainly good, but comp dependant

[mild thunder]

I really don’t like sacrificing medallion as arms, because you’re typically not the kill-target and won’t need to trinket only stuns. Would rather be able to trinket some other form of cc to intervene, rally, fear etc for a teammate. But it’s definitely an option

[wheat jay]

LOL

[teal hedge]

Fellas

If I pop all of my defensives in order to stay alive (including crowdcontrolling enemies

and I still die, is it my healers fault?

(And I am in LoS)

[teal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-zedong-chairman-mao-please-let-it-end-god-let-it-end-help-me-gif-23409937

When should I use troar or bladestorm? Should I include them in my opener or how do I use them?

I always try to hit several people with troar.

[outer zenith]

Hey fellas, I need some piece of advise on how to counter arms wars in 2s. I am FW monk and my friend is destro lock. Winrate against arms + rsham is pretty much 0%. No other dps spec causes such problems. Even rets are just fine to play against 😄
CR is 1800
We are going for war as the target. Could that be the problem?

[wheat jay]

Deserved for playing fistweaver

[mild thunder]

Least deranged forum dweller

[mild thunder]

Don’t fistweave into arms, it has way too many tools for punish you for free

[outer zenith]

I was a hpal main but the current status of HPALS made me switch. I always loved to deal dmg to heal

[stark reef]

Just had my first 0/6 lobby at 1750 rating as fury war.

Was hpal, retpal, frostmage, feral, disc

Who do I even try to kill here?

Had mage down a lot several times but 2 blocks + bop, can't do it

Feral seems horrendous, doesn't die, kites forever. Ret is fine but not if you're getting blasted by a feral or frost and they go you

[outer zenith]

Thanks. I did notice all those tools that the war has. So no real solution for FW monk besides switching into MW?

[wheat jay]

i hate hpals even more, i rest my case

[outer zenith]

xDDDDD. But why do you hate hpals?

Especially if you're a war

[wheat jay]

i don't like their design of being able to use everything while in cc

bop

2nd bop

divine shield

trinket

[stark reef]

freedom

[wheat jay]

sac to stop all cc on you AND give teammates wall

freedom too

ye

not saying you shouldn't play it

i just personally despise the spec

[outer zenith]

Yeah, you're right. They have lots of utility

But no hard feelings here. Those are facts haha

The only problem now is that whenever those buttons run out you're useless

[heavy atlas]

Anyone know what rating you have to be in PvP to get the Weapon Illusion for Season 1?

[woeful solstice]

2100

[sharp meteor]

2100 in any rated bracket, shuffle obviously being the easiest

any class/spec, it'll be acc wide for all chars

[heavy atlas]

Thankyou

[teal hedge]

I

'm struggling again

I'll record a vid tomorrow, I think

I gotta learn to carry these shuffles, I have to stop relying on my teammates to get stuff done.

Is there any way to keep my team alive except Rallying cry? People drop like flies even when I tell them how to counter e.g Rets.

[stark reef]

As DPS you want to kill someone before they kill someone

[sharp meteor]

intervene

disarm

fear

bolt on their cds

are the big ones

piercing is also helpful

duel is another option that halves dmg of somebody if they're hitting teammate for duration

warr has a lot of peels/stops

[teal hedge]

Yeah I cc the pally every time they use wings, but I cannot focus on killing one of them and on keeping track of the paladin.

[green anchor]

how

a guy went 3000+ in shuffle as H pala on a CONTROLLER

[outer zenith]

@green anchor In shuffle it feels much better to play it. Since games are much faster the amount of CDs that you have allows you to make sure your team is alive for a time that's usually enough for your dps to strike a kill.
I just don't have much time to play both SS and 2s. But in SS it feels way more better than in 2s.
A good example of that is BoP. In SS there's almost 100% chance someone will have physical damage. Where in 2s when you play against something like Disc + lock or rdruid + ele sham your most important ultimate save button is just useless but other abilities such as your basic healing don't get stronger.

[woeful solstice]

You need to

[green wyvern]

insane arms changes

I might stay arms for m+

[brazen rock]

Arms huge.

[scarlet flame]

wow thats amazing change

[mild thunder]

Idk the 4pc still seems pretty lacklustre

That shit does not proc often at all

[muted surge]

How often does the bleed tick

With 15% haste

[mild thunder]

Every ~2.5s or so

If you have a crit chance of 25%, it’ll crit roughly 1 in 4 ticks, which would be once every 10 seconds

[muted surge]

And then 10% chance

[mild thunder]

Not sure what the proc chance of the actual stacks are, but let’s be generous and assume they’re 50%

[muted surge]

Well ye kinda meh

[mild thunder]

So every 20 seconds you get a 10% mortal strike buff… wowzers

Assuming it’s 50% is incredibly generous, seeing as in the previous iteration you would go 30+ seconds without getting a single proc

Seems incredibly weak tbh

[green wyvern]

it might be decent in m+

at least you dont have to use slam

[mild thunder]

But you have to use mortal strike

So it still convolutes the rotation

[muted surge]

3 targets seems incredible low for m+

[mild thunder]

And I still don’t really see how useful it’ll be if the mortal strike itself doesn’t hit in aoe

[muted surge]

Considering we pull 10-15

[green wyvern]

wdym 3 targets

[mild thunder]

It hits more than 3 targets

[muted surge]

In pvp you will never have more than 1 stack

[green wyvern]

ye it's garbage for pvp

[muted surge]

Wait I can’t read

[mild thunder]

It looks garbage for m+ too tbh

[muted surge]

3 stacks != targets

[green wyvern]

we will just have to pray that warrior is good enough without tier set in pvp

[muted surge]

At least the bleed isn’t capped

[green wyvern]

assuming no further buffs/nerfs

[muted surge]

So it should have decent proc rate in pve

[mild thunder]

At max stacks it’s 119% AP to targets in front of you, with prio ms dmg on one target

It’s okay, but not very good

[muted surge]

Just gonna be shit for raid

But 2p is still realy good

So should be fine

[mild thunder]

I can’t see this 4pc being anything more than like 5-8% dps increase on ST, max

And that’s pretty weak

The bloodletting change is interesting tho

[muted surge]

5-8? Not even

[mild thunder]

Basically gives us an extra global every 24 seconds under 35%

[muted surge]

Blood letting is good bcs you don’t press rend in exe range

[mild thunder]

They should just buff the proc chance to 100%

[sharp meteor]

Hate it here.

[spice hornet]

LMAO

[wheat jay]

Hahaha Hunter changes

[mild thunder]

Bro next season is looking horrible

[wheat jay]

AND survi dmg buff

Looking good

[mild thunder]

Pet rez no longer interruptible
Ret buffs
Rogue buffs
Horrible arms tier set

[wheat jay]

We'll see how it goes haha

[mild thunder]

Imagine buffing exe sentence by 50%????!!?

[green wyvern]

next season is caster season

and rogue ofc

[mild thunder]

I mean

No ret nerfs yet

So it’s just gonna be another ret season at this rate

[woeful solstice]

guess ill just quit

[stark reef]

That’s like any time I played wow. Mage always on top.

[scarlet flame]

hey me too

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay surely you stay survival now

Those are some pretty massive buffs

[wheat jay]

Ye i played a bg on Frost today

Fuck Frost

All my homies hate Frost

[mild thunder]

I might just main sv next season too tbh

[wheat jay]

And unholy

Survi has that kinda thing

[mild thunder]

Imagine making pet rez unkickable lmao

[wheat jay]

Where you just want to play it xD

Ye lol

Also

[mild thunder]

8% dmg across the board

KekW

Yea the mend pet buff

So with the mend pet talent, it should heal for 20%/sec

[wheat jay]

Ye talent won't be needed now

Also, if you play with someone who has ms

Get yourself a mechanical pet

And macro sac with their wall

50% wall during sac for pet

Same cd

[mild thunder]

Yea pretty wild lmao

[wheat jay]

I've used that since shadowlands

[mild thunder]

At least I’ll be able to play jungle with my feral instead of kitty

[wheat jay]

Ye haha

[mild thunder]

Finally play a good comp lol

[wheat jay]

And you'll have a disarm too

And for KFC warr won't need disarm i guess