they haven't posted subscriber numbers for years according to this website
#pvp
scarlet flame
fresh valve
we dont have to explain that one
copper hare
scarlet flame
blizzard says DF has better player retention though
or has more subscribers for longer 🤷
fresh valve
yea and how many of those players pve and pvp
mild thunder
aren't you the one that was accusing us of being blackpilled? and now you're crying about how dead DF is, despite the numbers seeming to point in the opposite direction
scarlet flame
this is from dexerto
fresh valve
dead for the people who push the content blizz puts resources into
scarlet flame
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/p5jg9h/bellular_does_the_math_only_10_of_active_players/ and because you talked about belluar he posted this video
copper hare
Im losing brain cells
fresh valve
cause you didnt have any frogface
we definitely have way less people pveing than we did in Castle nath
scarlet flame
https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-of-warcraft-patch-10-10-ten-fast-ten-spurious-patch-notes-332247?webhook this is their april fools joke right
mild thunder
https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-of-warcraft-patch-10-10-ten-fast-ten-spurious...
id say so
10.10 doesnt make sense
fresh valve
anyways it still means something when your players dont want to do your content
mild thunder
scarlet flame
these are actually funny af
mild thunder
wish this was real
scarlet flame
mild thunder
anyways it still means something when your players dont want to do your content
you don't know what you're talking about, and you've gotten boring
fresh valve
you don't know what you're talking about, and you've gotten boring
"You're wrong and yeah you're wrong"
you're an elitist dork thats all there is to say
scarlet flame
bro i get it you're 200 cr
mild thunder
yes
fresh valve
and anyone who thinks that
scarlet flame
pipe down
fresh valve
terminal 1800 players
mild thunder
terminal 1800 players dont ruin pvp - they're needed for pvp
retards like you just tend to be terminal <1800 players
fresh valve
why do you think there were so many terminal 1800 players in unchained?
cause people actually wanted to pvp
scarlet flame
the rating brackets were inflated
fresh valve
that but there were also more players
scarlet flame
how do you know
mild thunder
why do you think unchained was inflated btw?
scarlet flame
was it not
fresh valve
enlighten me
mild thunder
no, i want to know why he thinks it was inflated
dude, you're the one that brought it up, provide a reason
fresh valve
I said there were more players compared to now
I havent brought up inflation retard
it was giga inflated tho
scarlet flame
was there more people pvping tho
fresh valve
Id say Sinful > Unchained
mild thunder
I said there were more players compared to now
you said this
the reason it was inflated was because the season was stupidly long
not because participation was exceptionally high
blizzard also didnt fuck the artifical inflation like they did this season
fresh valve
it was exceptionally high compared to now
scarlet flame
prove it
fresh valve
look at lfg lmfao
scarlet flame
bring up current arena participation and SL
mild thunder
scarlet flame
i want numbers
fresh valve
also there's just less people pvping
scarlet flame
prove it
mild thunder
also there's just less people pvping
also just not true, there's less people playing 3s, not less people pvping
scarlet flame
https://www.arenamate.net/player-activity#!recent-player-activity 33 pages of pvpers idk if this is even accurate
just because there are less people playing the game doesn't mean there are less people pvping
fresh valve
that 3.7m to 3.4m is still substantial
scarlet flame
its not
mild thunder
there are less people pvping lol
do you know of anything significant that may have changed for pvp this season? making it more accessible?
green wyvern
https://www.arenamate.net/player-activity#!recent-player-activity 33 pages of pv...
it only tracks first 5000 characters
game would have to be insanely dead to not have 5000 characters in arena
scarlet flame
i can't find a site that shows everything
yeah last page is 1900 rating
so thats a pretty high cutoff
fresh valve
do you know of anything significant that may have changed for pvp this season? m...
shuffle is not a good example lmfao
green wyvern
well blizzard doesn't show us data for the rest
mild thunder
shuffle is not a good example lmfao
how is it not? wtf
scarlet flame
shuffle is great
it gave a huge area for people who can't form teams to play 3v3 arena
regardless if its as skillful as 3v3
there are still a huge amount of people playing it
the evidence is 3s being dead
fresh valve
how is it not? wtf
it has made it accessible but it gutted 3's. The only bracket that has any worthwhile rewards
scarlet flame
heres from same website
mild thunder
it has made it accessible but it gutted 3's. The only bracket that has any worth...
there's one reward difference lmao
scarlet flame
SS also has its own title to obtain
fresh valve
you lose it next season
mild thunder
no, most people did not do 3s for the glad mount
scarlet flame
you dont lose the title
mild thunder
because most people didnt get the glad mount lmao
green wyvern
scarlet flame
you get one for the season
green wyvern
WoD season 1
scarlet flame
is there one for this season?
fresh valve
no, most people did not do 3s for the glad mount
nah they do it because wow pvp is actually fun for most gamers
scarlet flame
what website is that
fresh valve
even Venruki says pvp isn't going to bring in new players
more and more of those terminally 1800 players are gonna drop ship
scarlet flame
and you think making it easier to get r1 titles and mounts is how to bring more pvpers in...?
fresh valve
r1 titles can stay gatekept
scarlet flame
so whats your point
fresh valve
first off to bring in new players you have to change way more shit than making glad more accessible
scarlet flame
okay how
and no one cares about glad achievement they care about r1 titles and mounts
fresh valve
more people care about mounts than r1 titles
scarlet flame
well you get both at the same time so its not relevant
fresh valve
no you dont
scarlet flame
not this tier ig
green wyvern
no mounts are tied to r1
fresh valve
ya lol
green wyvern
but regardless pvp is dead except solo shuffle
fresh valve
If u feel that way lol
im fine with the titles being extremely hard to get and the mount being attainable to people who are decent at pvp
scarlet flame
decent
fresh valve
ya decent
scarlet flame
post your cr
fresh valve
2700
scarlet flame
post it
fresh valve
2900
scarlet flame
pop on your character and SS your cr for me
fresh valve
its 2900
scarlet flame
do that
woeful solstice
fresh valve
its 2900 bro
woeful solstice
post
scarlet flame
post it
scarlet flame
i think you are adding 1 extra zero
fresh valve
lmfao
scarlet flame
my bench weak i have not worked out in like 3 years
fresh valve
Im not at my pc and I aint gettin up
scarlet flame
thats a pretty flimsy excuse
whats your character name
did you forget it or what
fresh valve
maybe but regardless of what my cr is It doesnt change the fact that high end pvpers are saying exactly what Im saying
scarlet flame
so you are 290 cr
scarlet flame
if you post your rating tab like i did we wont konw who you are
you dont know my character name do you
fresh valve
yea but I dont wanna get up
scarlet flame
scarlet flame
do you wana know why it changes what you've said
woeful solstice
LARP
fresh valve
Does it change what Venruki says?
scarlet flame
it means you have no idea what he means by it
you dont understand the reasonings behind it
you just regurgitate it
woeful solstice
What streamers say isn’t law lmao
fresh valve
it does if you guys think everything I say is a "casual" problem
woeful solstice
Post cr and bench then
fresh valve
because its not a casual problem if high end players like Venruki are saying what im saying
scarlet flame
high end players and casuals have different problems with pvp
woeful solstice
Brother I dumpstered ven in 3s the other day
Do I get to tell you what’s right and wrong now?
fresh valve
no you dont but how is it casual problem if high end players are siding with the casuals
and hes not the only one
woeful solstice
I promptly got smoked by wizk and pikaboo after though
scarlet flame
what is he siding with you on
woeful solstice
fresh valve
that nobody's gonna do 3's if the players dont feel like theyre improving
scarlet flame
because of what rating
fresh valve
thats not a rating specific problem
scarlet flame
i mean i play SS and i feel like im improving
fresh valve
people dont like being hardstuck at 2.2 just like they dont like being hardstuck at 1.9
woeful solstice
Yeah that’s definitely not the casual rating rn
scarlet flame
casuals are literally the 1500 sub players
fresh valve
you bourgeoise fucks saying "terminal 1800 players" is basically saying theyre casuals
scarlet flame
no
its saying they're 1800 players
that are 1800 every season
im one of those players
woeful solstice
On track to get glad rn cause of solos tbh
fresh valve
I mean if terminal 1800 players arent casuals then whats wrong with them getting glad
scarlet flame
because 1800 isn't good enough for glad
woeful solstice
Because glad is 2400 and not 1800
scarlet flame
cutoff for glad this season is almost 2600 for NA and is 2600 for EU
well r1
why would you want 1800 players getting it
why not just make the mount cost 200 honor
woeful solstice
Not the rets tho
scarlet flame
but they aren't glads
woeful solstice
scarlet flame
thats kinda the point
woeful solstice
You want a participation trophy. You aren’t getting it in WoW
Not in arena at least
fresh valve
so its a participation trophy?
woeful solstice
The combatant mount basically is it
scarlet flame
the participation trophy is the 1800 armor
fresh valve
being terminally 1800
fresh valve
I mean I think Sinful was better than unchained
scarlet flame
no one asked
fresh valve
dont care lol
scarlet flame
so dont say it
fresh valve
dont care lol
woeful solstice
Kekw ok I go to sleep gn
fresh valve
anyways whoever got glad in s1 and s2 in shadowlands should be able to get glad now
scarlet flame
yeah the second he said bourgeoise i figured he was either like 1675 and mad or trolling
OUR GLAD
fresh valve
I mean complaining about being in the top .51% is pretty fuckin bourgeoise
scarlet flame
did you just hear someone say that word recently or something
fresh valve
especially if you compare it to wod arena participation]
mild thunder
are you losers still going
scarlet flame
yeah
mild thunder
wjesus
scarlet flame
i literally have nothing better to do rn
lean burrow
you dont know my character name do you
actually you can search for the CR and deduce who it is
scarlet flame
lean burrow
too many of you
lean burrow
suspended
scarlet flame
i got suspended for cussing
lean burrow
potty mouth
lean burrow
"oh shit, heal me"
mild thunder
ban me
lean burrow
healer clicks on report
scarlet flame
there was a bunch of stupid shit in the messages they linked me
like "fuck me" or "wtf is out team doing everyone at stables and we still lose it"
i wasn't even being toxic to people it was just general swearing in sentences lmfao
the worst one was this lobby is dogshit
they got extra mad at me when i pointed out they have child killings and garrosh calling sylvanas a bitch in their game
scarlet flame
it was a wild conversation
apparently the mature language filter is there to prevent kids from seeing bad words but its not there for me to say the bad words
mild thunder
I mean complaining about being in the top .51% is pretty fuckin bourgeoise
cringe af
"I am once again asking for a free Gladiator mount"
mild thunder
we will, thanks
fresh valve
fuckin loser
scarlet flame
mild thunder
fuckin loser
oh no, what shall i do????? 😲
scarlet flame
post rating
fresh valve
oh no, what shall i do????? 😲
enjoying being good at poorly designed pvp same shit youve always been doin lol
mild thunder
bro, who said i'm good?
lean burrow
bro, who said i'm good? <:keks:936231610850897992>
your nickname
or change to galatard
mild thunder
Galatard doesnt work
scarlet flame
what changes do you make to make pvp great
mild thunder
what changes do you make to make pvp great
give everyone gladiator 
fresh valve
nah yall are just gonna be intellectually dishonest or strawman
mild thunder
make pvp great again 2024
scarlet flame
no tell me
fresh valve
or intellectually retarded
mild thunder
intellectually dishonest 🤓
strawman 🤓
mild thunder
bourgeoise 🤓
lean burrow
Straw Man
fresh valve
visual diarrhea = fun
scarlet flame
just turn off their nameplates
also if you gut cc whats the difference between hitting the players and a target dummy
if you take away CC kill windows are small until damp
which isn't fun
fresh valve
there's just way too much cc
mild thunder
now you're just copying the most boring, over-talked about points
zzzzz
have an original thought
please
fresh valve
doesnt make those points wrong you stupid cuck
scarlet flame
to counter CC
CC makes trinket use and CD usage important
and makes more kill windows outside of damp
scarlet flame
it also doesn't make them right
mild thunder
you didnt annoy people by saying boring stuff like "too much cc" and "remove tanks"
fresh valve
and makes more kill windows outside of damp
all of that shit you said justifying the shit ton of CC doesnt make the game fun
mild thunder
half the people in pvp want less cc and no tanks, say something new
fresh valve
not fun for most people
scarlet flame
all of that shit you said justifying the shit ton of CC doesnt make the game fun
is it not fun to outplay people?
fresh valve
but then again wow players think the game is more fun the less people play it
scarlet flame
is it not fun to predict when someone is going to get CC'd, or react fast enough to stop it, or counter it with your own abilities
mild thunder
they're also already addressing cc so it's kinda pointless to talk about at this point
scarlet flame
i think what you mean is its not fun when you get punished for making the wrong choice
its not fun when you trinket wrong just to get insta CC'd again
but at the same time losing isn't fun
fresh valve
Punished by taking me out of the game for 6 seconds isnt fun
scarlet flame
do you wana take away losing
fickle forge
I'd argue if you wanna look at removing CC, get rid of micro CC
fresh valve
especially if theres a shit ton of spells that do it
WoW pvp is the definition of feature creep
scarlet flame
well yeah
fickle forge
Let's be real though, if you wanna play low CC games, go and play OW or something
scarlet flame
if the game stayed the same no one would play it regardless of pvp or pve
i wouldn't want to play warrior if it was exactly the same as classic wow
for 15 years
fresh valve
no one said the game should stay the same lol
scarlet flame
how do you make it interesting without adding features
scarlet flame
change what
fresh valve
the problem with the feature creep is that it makes the game objectively less fun
scarlet flame
okay let me start over and ask what part of wow did you feel they should have kept it at
fresh valve
having to monitor 20+ spell effects isnt fun
scarlet flame
at what point from classic until now would you have them stop adding things and change the classes or whatever
fickle forge
Sounds like you just gotta reroll to League
WoW has always had an excess amount of abilities
thick reef
PvP is generally better when things are simpler and more specialized yes.
MoP was likely peak, they over did the fuck out of classes in Legion especcially and made everyone a swiss army class.
fickle forge
Cooldowns and CC is what the game is about
fresh valve
"go play a game that has better pvp"
thick reef
Amount of abilities is less an issue, more so that there are more and more effects at play
scarlet flame
i dont think league has better pvp, i actually hate league all together
fickle forge
Yeah well that is what it is dude
fresh valve
aight so you guys are defeatist about it
fickle forge
There's always gonna be loads of abilities
scarlet flame
PvP is generally better when things are simpler and more specialized yes.
MoP w...
i actually agree that not every class needs everything but you also have to give them something that makes them played
fresh valve
anything that is wrong with the game can be fixed by its developers
fickle forge
And the game is designed so sustained damage doesn't beat sustained healing, so cooldowns and CC is the way to kill
scarlet flame
^
thick reef
i actually agree that not every class needs everything but you also have to give...
Correct. You can do that without having every class having near everything.
And as raoul put it, the game is something developed, the devs can dial things back whenever they want, they just chose not to
fresh valve
also one of the biggest reasons why wow is hard is how much shit is blowing up your screen
along with shit you arent aware of
scarlet flame
thats what you call skill curve though
fresh valve
none of that is fun in a competitive game
thick reef
The new talent trees made the already existing problems substantially more prevalent. mostly because having two trees, was fucking pointless.
fickle forge
scarlet flame
new talent trees are dope af
fickle forge
Ya'll sound like you just want the game really simplified, in which case, I'd recommend another game who already operates around that
scarlet flame
warriors have 2 builds that are actually viable, idk about other classes but imagine having 2 actual builds you can play
thick reef
new talent trees are dope af
The spec ones are mostly fine. The "Class" trees are largely attrocious. To many must takes, some classes ended up having everything on them, other classes have weirdly sparse ones.
fresh valve
yall think youre starcraft 2 players or sumthn
scarlet flame
warrior is a 3 button dps rotation
fickle forge
Think I'm a WoW player my guy
scarlet flame
i do not think im a starcraft player
thick reef
warrior is a 3 button dps rotation
The problem isnt class complexity, its the amount of effects in play in general.
You need addons to keep track of all the bullshit going on to be an effective player in PvP.
scarlet flame
you need addons to do raids and dungeons ?
so like dumb raids and dungeons down too or
fresh valve
its way worse in pvp than it is raids
scarlet flame
is it?
fresh valve
pvp is objectively harder than pve
scarlet flame
i've seen some pretty dogshit uis from pve
fresh valve
pve does have those issues but pvp is worse
mild thunder
I'd argue if you wanna look at removing CC, get rid of micro CC
finally someone with a brain gets involved
scarlet flame
also im pretty sure you only NEED like 2 addons
mild thunder
pvp is objectively harder than pve
???
thick reef
its way worse in pvp than it is raids
You're being remarkably disgenuine so I'm out, its like talking to a wall.
scarlet flame
1 to track the other teams trinkets and 1 to track their CDS used
scarlet flame
gladius does it for you
mild thunder
sArena >>>>>>> gladius
scarlet flame
yeah i use sarena
but i forgot the name
so i said gladius because i remembered it
fresh valve
not just track them but understand their interactions with your character
scarlet flame
whats hard about that
fresh valve
there's so many fuckin abilities in this game
scarlet flame
is there
tepid stag
idk why dynamic icons was unchecked by default i always found myself thinking huh we have a rogue in our team? bc stun dr would show as kidney
scarlet flame
is being asked to remember maybe 4 important CDS from each class too hard
also theres like 12 classes right
so ofc theres going to be a lot to remember
fresh valve
cds arent the only thing you're supposed to be aware of in this game
scarlet flame
but we're talking about the only bracket that matters right 3s, where you have 2 other people to help keep track of things
fickle forge
cds arent the only thing you're supposed to be aware of in this game
They really are
CDs and CCs
And then some mobility trading
scarlet flame
anything that is important is on a CD
fickle forge
Everything's a CD trade
fresh valve
remembering what every class can do and their interactions is overwhelming
scarlet flame
thats part of the learning curve
fickle forge
Then pick a less overwhelming game
fresh valve
its not sustainable for a live service subscription game
scarlet flame
i mean i literally hadn't played pvp in like 4 years and just game back
fickle forge
It's been sustainable for 15 years
scarlet flame
and i jumped right into pvp and got 1700 in 3s
2k in SS (meme)
first month back
its about improvement
every game think about what you did right and wrong and how to improve it
why would you instantly be able to understand any game regardless of how many abilities there are
fresh valve
It's been sustainable for 15 years
really? when the thing thats most talked about by the games players is how dead it is?
fickle forge
That's literally every game ever
scarlet flame
the only thing thats dead is 3s because SS is so popular
fresh valve
That's literally every game ever
lame excuse
scarlet flame
no its not
fickle forge
People have been talking about how dead WoW, OW, League, CS etc. etc. is since forever
fresh valve
only one of those games has a subscription fee
wheat jay
Only 2s and 3s are dead
scarlet flame
what does the sub fee have to do with anything
fresh valve
nobodys gonna pay 15 dollars a month for a shit game
fresh valve
theyre just gonna play other games
fickle forge
only one of those games has a subscription fee
Then take SWTOR, a way less popular game that still has active players
Lasted forever too
scarlet flame
my brother still plays SWTOR
fresh valve
i mean millions do
if that was the case why doesnt blizz publish their sub numbers
also swtor is a good story game
fickle forge
Idk what it is you're trying to get to
scarlet flame
if that was the case why doesnt blizz publish their sub numbers
just go look at WCL and see how many guilds are still loging
green wyvern
wow makes decent money still
scarlet flame
do you think wow has like 20k players or something?
fresh valve
ya because its pay to win
wheat jay
We're at the least active part of the patch
scarlet flame
wow is pay to win...?
fresh valve
yea
wheat jay
Ye wow is pay to win for top 10 rwf guilds
scarlet flame
are you talking about people who buy clears and rating?
fresh valve
wow token and the rmt that goes on
scarlet flame
because that literally happens in every game
fresh valve
yea but the more gatekept a game the more rmt that goes on
mild thunder
how is it gatekept now? it's significantly better than it was in SL
scarlet flame
anyone can get to 2400 if they practice enough
fresh valve
3's is gatekept
scarlet flame
anyone can get 2400 if they practice enough
wheat jay
That's how it is
mild thunder
You gotta be good
you have to be ret*
scarlet flame
there isn't people who can stop you from getting 2400 if you win
fresh valve
you gotta be as good as r1 alts and boosters
wheat jay
UFC is also gatekept you can't fight conor mcgregor first day of your career
fresh valve
how tf is that good for pvp
fickle forge
Bruh
wheat jay
you gotta be as good as r1 alts and boosters
Or be nice to people
scarlet flame
not everyone is r1 alts or boosters, and there are tons of people who are high rated who aren't either
wheat jay
That's how I got my arena partner
wheat jay
And we got glad, with me being 0 xp player back then
fresh valve
Im talkin with the playerbase in mind not my personal experience
scarlet flame
hes 2900 btw
scarlet flame
wont show his rating screen
fresh valve
I r1 of r1
scarlet flame
hes laying in bed doesn't wna get up or show his character name
wheat jay
Aight bench check
scarlet flame
he hasn't posted that either
wheat jay
That's why im asking
wheat jay
Ask until he answers
scarlet flame
he dodges the question
fickle forge
well kiggs asked for his bench
@woeful solstice ma man
wheat jay
Ye he's quite now
fickle forge
Keeping the Chad improvement mindset alive
tepid stag
can someone turn this into a discord emote
fresh valve
I cant bench but I can hip thrust my 1 ton cock in your moms ass
scarlet flame
LMFAO
wheat jay
I wonder if you're a rogue player too since you cant bench
fickle forge
Ret and rogue have the same victim mindset
tepid stag
ret killed himself in my ss today playing judge dispel into ua lock c:
wheat jay
If you're strong enough to type in discord you're strong enough to press kidney and rotation in 3s
mild thunder
ret killed himself in my ss today playing judge dispel into ua lock c:
least retarded ret "main"
fresh valve
bitch about making the game better lmfao
fickle forge
Go play another game dude
scarlet flame
outside of ret i love pvp right now
fickle forge
You're asking it to be something it'll never be
It will literally be another game if they change it that hard
wheat jay
Clearly you get 0 enjoyment from wow, based on what youve written
fickle forge
scarlet flame
never touching league mmo
wheat jay
True
scarlet flame
wow started losing subs because cata was garbage
tepid stag
i want to play a yordle warrior
fresh valve
cata wasnt garbage
scarlet flame
it was when it first came out
fickle forge
Cata was garbage
wheat jay
Cata was dogshit tho
fresh valve
compared to WoD bfa and SL?
wheat jay
Yes
fickle forge
Yes
wheat jay
Also, SL having the best start out of wow expansions 
fresh valve
yall are smokin salv
tepid stag
acquisition of gear aside (and certain trinket metas) i didnt despise bfa tbh
fickle forge
I did
fierce elm
Is poop worse or better than fermented poop
tepid stag
corruption was good CONTENT
wheat jay
Ask Tal
scarlet flame
BFa was actual huge garbage
fickle forge
90% damp games was hell
tepid stag
this chat was never more alive
fierce elm
Wow sucks, go hit the gym
tepid stag
than corruption meta
scarlet flame
Is poop worse or better than fermented poop
also this
just because BFA SL and wod were also bad doesn't mean cata wasn't dogshit
fickle forge
Wow sucks, go hit the gym
Why do you have time to text here doe
fierce elm
Im at work
fickle forge
Stop slacking
fierce elm
Only here to make fun of the nerds
fickle forge
Fair
tepid stag
say mean things to me
scarlet flame
also i remember people hated mist because of pandas but people loved its pvp
fresh valve
mop pvp was the sweatiest shit in existence
wheat jay
Yes
fierce elm
Mist wasnt very well received but quickly become one of the better expansions in general
wheat jay
Its PVP its supposed to be sweaty
fierce elm
the Heart of fear patch was big EH but the rest were hooge hits
fresh valve
the gatekeeping now is nothing compared to MoP's
wheat jay
You want 0 effort gameplay go collect some ores and herbs
fickle forge
Afro quickly turning nerd
scarlet flame
unfort
fierce elm
Gotta keep Nephews in check
fresh valve
being a sweat's only fun when you have an actual playerbase
fickle forge
Yeah a nerd at fucking LEAVING mid-season on me
wheat jay
But the nerd is still there
wheat jay
being a sweat's only fun when you have an actual playerbase
Well go have fun at 1600
fresh valve
look at the arenamate lol
wheat jay
Cuz higher rating is sweaty
fierce elm
being a sweat's only fun when you have an actual playerbase
yeah this is definitely not at all just a personal opinion spouted as fact
scarlet flame
thats literally just your opinion about something
you keep saying you dont like any expansion
fresh valve
look how many ppl pvp'd in wod compared to Sl
scarlet flame
why are you playing
fierce elm
addiction
scarlet flame
what expansion did you like
fierce elm
dont want to tell his mom to cancel his sub
wheat jay
SL s1 having super high pvp participation
fickle forge
Addicted to complaining surely
fresh valve
this xpac is good
fickle forge
Huh????
fresh valve
legion was good xcept for launch
fierce elm
scarlet flame
didn't you just say this expac had bad pvp because it has less players
fresh valve
are you asking me to rank the pvp or the xpac?
scarlet flame
im asking when you had fun playing the video game
green wyvern
just unsub
scarlet flame
you said being sweaty is not fun when theres no players
green wyvern
new poe league in 6 days
scarlet flame
but you said this expac was good
wheat jay
I believe he has fun when using his scrawny rogue arms to troll in here
scarlet flame
but you also said this had no players
wheat jay
Just an assumption
fresh valve
this xpac is good
tepid stag
new poe league in 6 days
i hear its underwhelming
fresh valve
doesnt mean its not dead
green wyvern
i hear its underwhelming
from where
scarlet flame
but theres no players for pvp
green wyvern
reddit?
scarlet flame
so it can't be fun
fresh valve
the pvp isnt fun
scarlet flame
from where
they didn't really change anything
green wyvern
reddit is sub 10 iq
scarlet flame
patch notes are boring
fresh valve
but the xpac as a whole is fun
green wyvern
nah
scarlet flame
yeah
stable siren
look, everyone know that the current tier, is garbage, all ass, worst game, fucked my grandpa with no lube, now the last xpac, the one that everyone hated, actually a hidden gem, goated with the sause, bbq sause on my tiddies good would sell them my brothers kidney for another remaster
scarlet flame
they didn't do anything else
green wyvern
which is good
tepid stag
oh
green wyvern
also huge power bloat with crucible
green wyvern
I mean bows were always giga strong in trade league
scarlet flame
i dont think they nerfed any spell late game stuff
tepid stag
ye im currently in d4 withdrawal stage
fierce elm
Unsub WoW, sub gym
scarlet flame
bows were giga strong with like actual mirror tier gear
tepid stag
maybe pick up poe again
fierce elm
if you bench sub 315 you should sell your PC until you become more than a child in bodypower
green wyvern
idk
tepid stag
but i have smooth brain and poe too complicated for me
quit on the gardening simulator expac
green wyvern
you can get like a couple mill dps for basically free
on bows
enough for ubers if you arent terrible
tepid stag
u underestimate how dumb i am
green wyvern
i killed ubers with hit based ea
scarlet flame
can you count
green wyvern
in ssf
scarlet flame
like the actual uber uber bosses
tepid stag
up to 5
fresh valve
if you bench sub 315 you should sell your PC until you become more than a child ...
Ok but could you fuck a tiger?
I bet you cant beta
fickle forge
He doesn't do hip thrusters unfortunately
fresh valve
prolly has a 2mg dick
tepid stag
ye only chads measure their dongs in weight
fresh valve
milligrams bitch
scarlet flame
yeah you measure your dick in weight?
fresh valve
damn straight
scarlet flame
lmao
fresh valve
scarlet flame
that gif is almost as annoying as you
fresh valve
u just mad it was your mom I was hip thrusting
scarlet flame
well shes pretty old so give her some advil in the morning
fresh valve
aye aye
fierce elm
Measure my dick in ng/dl
fresh valve
might be some quantum physics involved here
quaint snow
arctic dagger
ignore pain macro
mild thunder
#showtooltip
/cast mortal strike
/cast ignore pain
you can use that same macro for all your abilities (overpower, exe, ms, rend etc.)
teal hedge
Alright, damn this to hell. I am making a paladin and maining ret to curbstomp you villains.
teal hedge
https://tenor.com/view/erm-scratching-chin-scratching-oney-plays-gif-26280587
The date
quaint snow
you already give up? Youre not even fully geared yet dude….
teal hedge
Look at the date
lean burrow
NA moment
teal hedge
No way you guys are over 13 hours behind
I would never hop off warrior, this shit been the most fun I've ever had in wow :P
quaint snow
xD
lean burrow
then go back to warrior
teal hedge
100k exec crit
What the fuck
I run a bleed build????
POV: you watch me execute the hunter
mild thunder
I run a bleed build????
that doesn't change execute dmg?
teal hedge
I mean I don't run all of the crit skills that would boost
Still, that's the biggest exec I've ever hit
teal hedge
Still, 107k feels very nice
teal hedge
I've tried doing that but the schmucks on my team usually collapse before I get to hit execute
And just like that my mouse somehow stops working on the first of april
What a joke
I replugged it and it seems to be working, I will queue ranked 😎
mild thunder
are cross-faction guilds a thing yet?
copper hare
10.1
teal hedge
I find myself not having ultra-high damage but still impacting the game
lean burrow
I find it constantly happen on my mage without luxthos weakauras
teal hedge
Like finishing kills and harassing people
lean burrow
on warrior with luxthos WA it never happened
teal hedge
I've hit challenger 1
rotund trellis
reseat the ability in its slot and it should disappear
limber relic
hit a 100k fatality
110k execute + 80k fatality and no kill 😂
rotund trellis
2-4 fuck my life why do I do this to myself
quick carbon
tawny cave
so is arms running haste or crit builds or is there a sweet spot for soft caps?
dark sparrow
Man ret is so fkn stupid but so fun to play
dark sparrow
Went afk at starting room shuffle to open the door, come back, still alive. Look at the dh and oneclap him
Dude just griefed last 2 rounds
tawny cave
everything i find Bobby says crit=haste. but like. what are we stacking. murlock.io seems to have pretty even split in gear
mild thunder
10.1
hurry up blizz 
wasnt it promised with 10.0 initially?
why is warrior so boring in pve
being hyper-CD reliant is also giga cringe in m+
mild thunder
everything i find Bobby says crit=haste. but like. what are we stacking. murlock...
literally crit=haste
it doesnt matter
mild thunder
spear slightly improves crit value, bleed build slightly increases haste value
teal hedge
Can almost make BiS helmet
Just need 10 alloys and the spark and then enough to comission an order
mild thunder
what's the sexiest monk race?
teal hedge
Dwarf
mild thunder
ick
spice hornet
Orc female
rotund trellis
healing ss is a peculiar experience in observing human behaviour
PS that is a 0 (ZERO) mmr lobby
tepid stag
was thinking of orc fem or nelf fem
female dwarf
spice hornet
0 mmr?
broken nest
Classic
raw jolt
is there a weakaura that notifies me if the enemy healer is ccd? or one which helps when to pop spell reflection when getting targeted by a spell?
sharp meteor
There's no way of truly knowing who a spell cast is on, so no.
raw jolt
okay, thanks
teal hedge
dʌd ɔᴉdǝ uᴉ squoou ǝɯos llᴉʞ oʇ ǝɯᴉ┴
teal hedge
could not b worse
¿uʍop ǝpᴉsdn noʎ ǝɹɐ ʎɥM
undone pumice
i think galachad gave me the rona vaccine and now im australian too
stoic tide
What a bad time for Horde Multiboxers. Elegant touched Stepbro once again https://youtu.be/O-_gkLCL8gg
teal hedge
What is this supposed to mean
full kayak
does disarm work vs classes without weapons, so magic classes? to reduce their dmg?
scarlet flame
no
wheat jay
it doesn't
full kayak
looking for defensives, because i am just dying despite using defensives and impending victory
and defense stance
wheat jay
positioning, trading shit
and you shouldn't rly die to casters too much
maybe your healer sucks
scarlet flame
if you're getting owned by casters you gotta line their damage better and time your CDS when you can get uptime
sharp meteor
does disarm work vs classes without weapons, so magic classes? to reduce their ...
At one point I think it debuffed mobs for 30-50% reduced dam but idk if that's still the case
probably not
sage raptor
It used to
sharp meteor
that is deff not the case
dueling partner now and it's reducing damage by roughly 20%
although idk how much that'd factor into things
wonder if it's just wep stats
scarlet flame
in arena against casters basically nothing
mild thunder
Is it nothing? A 20% dmg reduction for 7 seconds on a 45sec cool-down
wheat jay
Wait it reduces dmg of disarmed dude by 20%
?
@fickle forge you know anything about that shit
?
dark sparrow
Anyone know a reason why my target party3 macro’s won’t work but the exact same macro for party2 works fine (in shuffle, not tested in 3’s)
woeful solstice
Post bench and we can help
scarlet flame
Is it nothing? A 20% dmg reduction for 7 seconds on a 45sec cool-down
when are you using it? when you have uptime and when someone else is going to die? if its not double caster its better to use it on the melee, if its double caster is warbanner not better
mild thunder
when are you using it? when you have uptime and when someone else is going to di...
You fit war banner already
But duel would almost always be better
Just saying, come 10.1, we won’t have a lot of great PvP talents anyway
scarlet flame
im not dropping warbringer until hes garbage
wheat jay
Post bench and we can help
wheat jay
Just saying, come 10.1, we won’t have a lot of great PvP talents anyway
I'm thinking of that dk more and more
mild thunder
I’m so glad warbringer is getting nerfed
wheat jay
I could play with Mud if kargo doesnt want to
scarlet flame
😠
mild thunder
I'm thinking of that dk more and more
I’m tryna decide on a pve main next season, cause warrior is not it
wheat jay
Nah pve is warrior
Can't betray my main
We had a short break in shadowlands
But now we're back together
scarlet flame
is fury bad in pve
wheat jay
I'll see
copper hare
Well, warriors dps aint the problem (arms is amongst the highest overall dps) but you bring nothing else and got low prio dmg
wheat jay
I dont know if I'll be playing KFC anymore
Cuz its the worst warrior comp
Frost dk could be fun
mild thunder
is fury bad in pve
Fury is pretty decent
wheat jay
Maybe get warr, fdk, and survi to 1800 and grind one to 2400
mild thunder
Well, warriors dps aint the problem (arms is amongst the highest overall dps) bu...
100% this, ww feels way more fun because of the utility and cool stuff it can do
copper hare
well, ww like on the same level, actually gets worse the higher keys you play
because it does one thing
kill and pad on all the funnel adds
mild thunder
Ww brings RoP, sweep, can diffuse itself, has better mobility, paralysis and probably other stuff i’m forgetting
RoP alone is more utility than the entirety of arms in keys
copper hare
but it doesnt do anything unless it's sanguine
mild thunder
That’s defs not true
copper hare
and ww has one of the worst prio/single targets currently
mild thunder
Yea the dmg profile for ww is dogshit atm because it’s all keyed into ToD
copper hare
and if you ToD into small adds you literally slow the dungeon down if you run with any rogue/enh/dks because funnel/prio dmg is everything at a certain lvl
sage raptor
Warrior doesn’t feel fun in m+
have you tried prot or is tanking not your thing?
mild thunder
I’m not arguing ww is good, just that it’s infinitely more fun than warrior rn
full kayak
what is up with all those ppl leaving the soloQ game with 5/6 games completed. WTF
third time in one hour
mild thunder
have you tried prot or is tanking not your thing?
If I tanked, prot would probably be last on my list tbh… bdk and bm both seem decently fun tho
copper hare
I mean fun is always subjective, arms dps is definitely unmatched and I think it's fun when you play with good tanks, but fury gets better with higher keys and fury is aids af
120 apm 2 buttons fuck that shit
sage raptor
I love those tanks. I think gdudu is probably my least favorite
mild thunder
I mean fun is always subjective, arms dps is definitely unmatched and I think it...
Is arms really that much better than 2 buttons? Yes, it technically has more, but bladestorm makes you afk and your burst devolves into cleave/op with whirlwinds when you can
fickle forge
<@278157108791476224> you know anything about that shit
It's for mobs
mild thunder
Uncancellable bladestorm also feels lame, but that’s just me
copper hare
in raid definitely yeah when you start to min max with tc/ignore pain/test of might etc
In dungeons meeh, uncapped aoe is definitely a good thing, single target is just really boring
mild thunder
In raid arms seems a lot more fun, sure, but I play far more m+ than raid
copper hare
Uncancellable bladestorm also feels lame, but that’s just me
that's one of the things arms can only be played with certain comps at higher keys
did azure vault 26 2 days ago and depleted by 5 seconds because that spastic warrior didnt even take fear or stormbolt
mild thunder
Yea the CD-reliance on fury feels cringe, if you don’t get good pulls it feels like you do nothing
As opposed to a spec like feral that is completely unpunished by bad pulling, scuffed packs etc because it has zero CD reliance
copper hare
I pushed mostly as enh until last patch, would have def recommended but it doesnt look good for next season
mild thunder
I’ll probs stick to arms for rest of this patch but yea idk about s2, probs a return to ww
Kinda hard to decide until tier sets are finalised, bec some of them are either completely troll or stupidly dull
copper hare
I mean hopefully the 2 set wont get nerfed another time and
the 4 set.. that's just a complete joke idk
they really fucked up some sets real bad
mild thunder
Emh 4pc is terrible
Arms 4pc is genuinely useless
Feral set is mind-numbingly boring
Ww tier set is good but weird
mild thunder
And somehow the 4pc doesn’t even benefit bdb lol
hopefully arms 4pc gets reworked, but idk if it will
full kayak
are the 4pcs T Set Bonuses active in arena, when equipped? (the pvp items transformed to T Set pieces)
viral haven
what enchants should i be running?
if not different from pve enchants
mild thunder
what enchants should i be running?
if not different from pve enchants
check murlok.io
viral haven
check murlok.io
one of the worst designed websites ive ever used
and slowest
literally a slideshow
animations barely play
mild thunder
do you need animations to play?
just read the info
you're not grading the website, just read what's on it lmao
viral haven
oh awkward i have frozen dev bc i looked at leaderboards manually
this says sophic better
green wyvern
dh stays S tier in m+ in s2
but it's giga cancer to play
they made so many classes cancerous
and the new affixes
my god
sharp meteor
arms probs gonna get taken down a peg when they kneecap ret and mw in like
a few weeks
copper hare
and the new affixes
it's insane how much more fun m+ could actually be, but instead every second week you just wanna log off due to affixes
idk why blizzard things they are a good addition
sharp meteor
so i get that they wanted to mix it up, and add more mechanics
but modern dungeons have like multiple important mechanics per mob
and we now have seasonal dungeon rotations
no more underrot for 2 years
wheat jay
i just hit a 122k non-crit mortal strike????
Did you hit into absorb?
If so, its an old bug, and it was a crit
copper hare
so i get that they wanted to mix it up, and add more mechanics
so fun they actually remove vulcanic and make explosive even worse than it is now
only grabbing title and then Im going back to weeklys only next season
so aids
sharp meteor
i thought cms were fun in that it was just doing dungeons themselves fast
now it's a 30-40 minute slog with a trillion mechanics
figured they'd dial it back on affixes in general
mild thunder
Did you hit into absorb?
no clue, but i dont think so
i was wrecking all the absorbs
viral haven
uhhhhhhhh
so
fuck i forgot
oh yeah
can u get sparks from arena
used all 5 and dont have helm
mild thunder
ugh, this dude is back
fresh valve
:*(
mild thunder
april fools is over, you can go away 🙂
modern pilot
yo why is it that when i fear sometimes, it does nothing? i have two videos of this happening with tyrant when im right next to it?
no drs
im running the menace talent too
i figured it out
when the warlock has anti kick on(forgot what its called), it will immune the fear, AND the fear wont aoe
kinda dumb?
barren crane
Isn't fear capped at 5 targets? Might be other pets it's hitting unless u target it
modern pilot
no precog immunes it and then the aoe doesn't happen
nothing is getting feared at all
let me upload the video
sharp meteor
yo why is it that when i fear sometimes, it does nothing? i have two videos of t...
Intimidating Fear has a target cap. This can be removed by speccing into Menace.
sharp meteor
Isn't fear capped at 5 targets? Might be other pets it's hitting unless u target...
Yep. Fearing the Warlock on top of 10 imps + 3 dogs + felguard and hoping to rng the Tyrant isn't ideal.
modern pilot
i had menace specced
the video is in the gameplay review now
its because of precognition
viral haven
should i be top damage like every arena?
teal hedge
I've noticed rets can outscale you, at least.
clever igloo
viral haven
I've noticed rets can outscale you, at least.
what do u mean
viral haven
Paladin big damage
what does that have to do with scaling
i wasj ust confused
lol
bc like
its not scaled content
😛
teal hedge
As the fight goes on you lose your exhaustable options, this does not happen for the paladin.
They scale better into the finale
random fractal
viral haven
As the fight goes on you lose your exhaustable options, this does not happen for...
okay yeah thats true.. that makes sense
random fractal
how does the priest do that
viral haven
also does anyone have the wa to show a big totem icon above totem healthbars?
so i can see the importnat ones easier
random fractal
new priest tech just dropped
teal hedge
But 4,3 billion damage