pvp

[spice hornet]

Capped

Then buy a socket

[teal hedge]

Well yeah but I barely have gears

What is a socket

[elfin surge]

sockets are time gated

conquest gear isnt

[teal hedge]

Okay, so I take the coins?

[spice hornet]

Yes

[teal hedge]

I have blue gear except a purple chest and sword.

Hard getting conquests without winning though

[spice hornet]

Doesn’t matter

You can win with that

[teal hedge]

Alright

Are the walking mountain-pieces glad-gear though?

Seems stronger than the average gladiator-gear does it not?

Also @spice hornet what is a socket

[undone pumice]

itstier

[teal hedge]

What

[undone pumice]

walking mountain pcs are tier

[teal hedge]

Alright

[undone pumice]

but only if it says it is tier

[teal hedge]

Isn't it stronger than average gladiator gier?

[undone pumice]

[teal hedge]

*gear

[undone pumice]

tier is good

[teal hedge]

Alright, what is a socket?

[chrome rover]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/frostmane/zaga -- can you help me optimise my gear? I have a lot of conquest to spend

please

[teal hedge]

Don't I need these coins to craft the BIS-helmet?

@elfin surge

[elfin surge]

the coins from vault?

[teal hedge]

Yeah

Either that or the legs

[elfin surge]

those are only for sockets

the BIS helmet is the pvp crafted

[teal hedge]

You use that word yet it carries no meaning to me

[elfin surge]

using primal chaos

[teal hedge]

What is a socket

[elfin surge]

gem socket

adds a gem socket to a piece of gear

[teal hedge]

Well, is it not better to get the purple gear in stead of socketing my blue gear?

[elfin surge]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/us/icecrown/mud
@teal hedge

[wheat jay]

See I had 0 winrate on bm with Kargish and high on survi

[elfin surge]

you add gem sockets to the epic conquest gear once u get it

[teal hedge]

Oh okay

[elfin surge]

cuz sockets are time gated, you can farm a full set of epic gear in a week.

[teal hedge]

There's the problem though

This does not have the set bonus

[elfin surge]

add set bonus to it

[teal hedge]

It also has differing stats?

[teal hedge]

How?

[elfin surge]

worgen

[teal hedge]

Greymane cool

Simple as

[elfin surge]

catalyst converter

weekly quest to add tier to gear

if you've been doing them every week

u should have 4 set

[teal hedge]

Where can I get them

[elfin surge]

on all your characters

[teal hedge]

(I've hit level 70 but I haven't done the entire campaign)

[elfin surge]

fk im at work

i would help u

[teal hedge]

No it's fine haha

[serene cobalt]

Do we convert elite gear to tier set or nah?

[teal hedge]

I just gotta wrap my head around all of these tediums

Okay, so wait

With this converter I can convert my glad-chest into the husk of the walking mountain?

@elfin surge

[elfin surge]

ye tier piece

[teal hedge]

Ohhhh okay!

But how do I get these supposed sockets?

[frosty nexus]

vendor next to the vault sells it for 6 of those coins

[teal hedge]

Ah I see it.

[rugged creek]

can anyone tell me what it is that makes hunters constantly immune to roots/slow ?

kinda wanna adda tracker to it so i don't waste Charge

[teal hedge]

Do sockets carry over after converting?

[rugged creek]

(cause fml every Lobby has 2 hunters nowadays tbh)

[elfin surge]

cant socket tier pieces

at least tier that offers the set bonus

@teal hedge i linked u my main which is full BIS if u wanna copy my gear. I have literally no reason to cap each week, I'm full socketed. 😎

[teal hedge]

Yeah I'm trying to copy it

Gotta get materials for the helmet as well

Barely have any elemental stuff though

Mud do you have a 100% win-rate this season

What

[elfin surge]

no lmao wow armory is giga bugged for pvp stats

use check pvp https://check-pvp.fr/us/Icecrown/Mud

@teal hedge

[frosty nexus]

armory is just scuffed yea

like on my priest i have this

but my real winrate is like 57%

it just counts 4-2 or whatever as a "win"

[vestal oxide]

hey guys , what pvp talent are you using ?

[elfin surge]

Sharpen, Warbringer, Disarm/War Banner

[vestal oxide]

Got it , Thanks

[modern pilot]

just went 2-4 to a frost mage who went 6-0

how do u guys play vs frost mage

is it even worth going them?

[teal hedge]

Sharp stick point at their cranium

They're hard to get at, by I try to slow them as much as possible and reserve charges.

[green anchor]

bro what... no ret nerfs this week

[teal hedge]

Let us say, hypothetically, I hit spell-reflection

And then a warlock launches a demon-bolt at me

Or whatever the big one is called

Does he get hit instead?

[serene cobalt]

Yes

[fickle forge]

Reflect always returns to sender

[teal hedge]

Okay actually maybe paladin isn't very fun to fight

And healer cannot keep me alive

Gaming moment

Holy shit all I needed was gear

Now I'm taking names

Okay, let's say I activate sweeping strikes before I bladestorm

Do the unhinged mortal strikes now get cleave?

[modern pilot]

yo

is it better to stun dps or stun healers?

[teal hedge]

Depends?

Sometimes I stun healers just so that I can finish people off

But stunning dps:s during their cc:s is also pretty based

Or stunning classes that run, like mages

[steep inlet]

i had a queue

3 ret 1 frostmage

1 hpal

full bop, bubbles, freedoms, iceblock, teleports

i was fucking mad

[teal hedge]

Take into consideration that these people do not enjoy playing the game, but they still play it.

New rets only care about winning, which is pretty depressing

Warriorbros stay winning

(irl)

[steep inlet]

exact

[quick carbon]

every ret I get in my shuffles from now on

I make sure they to 0-6

that’s my new pvp aspiration

[frosty nexus]

fellas, assuming no priest on your team, do you think its more worth to play shatter into ret or wrecking throw to pop shield of vengeance

[teal hedge]

I literally do not know if I am screwing up or what

But sometimes I feel healer has to dip out when I need healing

And they heal when I'm fine

I've yet to hit even a 5-win

Which trinkets should I use? (Except the medallion)

[quaint snow]

since these ret changes i have zero motivation to play the game….

i liked it before last Wednesday

[quaint snow]

on use trinket, so you can sync it in a macro together with your burst

[wheat jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897160788664520704/1090662005913956482/image.png?width=372&height=418

pvp elite set

[teal hedge]

What's the macro?

[quaint snow]

still at work, i can link it later

every warrior needs a swifty obeshot macro

unwritten rule

[frosty nexus]

yooo is the pvp stuff finally on PTR?

[wheat jay]

yes

[latent hazel]

if that was just all red instead of white

it would be really good

[wheat jay]

🙂

[frosty nexus]

nice time to check every class

and see which is best

[elfin surge]

Thinking about leveling my 7th warrior... 🤔

[sharp meteor]

I'm digging it.

[teal hedge]

Okay I am actually hitting top dps for once

[wheat jay]

lmao

actually looks good

[sharp meteor]

Mythic is white which I think I prefer more but eh.

The set itself looks pretty neat.

[teal hedge]

Yeah I need to get some drip from older expacs

Any way to make gold doing pvp?

[wheat jay]

not anymore

now its red

white is lfr iirc

ill let you know in a second

[elfin surge]

@fickle forge should i try to break crusaders record?

[wheat jay]

yes

6 na one eu

[elfin surge]

i didnt ask you ARTJI

[wheat jay]

fuk u

you're not good enough to play with me

you break traps

[elfin surge]

[quaint snow]

7 warriors jesus

god of war(r)

[sharp meteor]

I appreciate how whenever I get the slightest urge to play shuff I see the tooltip for estimated wait time

and do something (anything) else

wonder if they add healer rewards next season

[copper hare]

Healer already get more rewards

[limber relic]

nab

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, 30g of ire and a 10% chance of a bonus 150 honor mark for an alt.

[copper hare]

Yeah

[quaint snow]

they probs nerf rating gains from shuffle, and increase inflation in normal 3s

[copper hare]

:D

[sharp meteor]

💰

[sharp meteor]

Yes, that's what they're going to do.

Because shuffle giving all non-glad rewards with one tenth the effort was a bit of a whoopsie.

[copper hare]

And sometimes a recipe that you can sell for 300g

Top g stuff

[quaint snow]

yeeeh

[elfin surge]

@limber relic scared yet?

[fickle forge]

Yes

[hot solstice]

Guys, what do we need to be as broken as ret? I guess mortal strike should apply colosus with 100% chance for 5 sec. Any other thoughts?

[quaint snow]

i wont see Season 2 anyways, going to travel around asia for 4 months soon 😁

[elfin surge]

his record is 6 in one season

[limber relic]

not the slighest

[teal hedge]

I gotta get better at execute

Shit does so much

[fickle forge]

Do 10, to show dominance

[copper hare]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/warriors-do-3-times-as-much-healing-as-rets/1555457

I like that one lol

[elfin surge]

actually so easy to gear

i get enough conquest from pushing my alt to make another

[fickle forge]

Having to level though

[lone gulch]

You can as well buy them little chests with gear for conquest that you can send to alts

[fickle forge]

[lone gulch]

Random drop tho

[teal hedge]

The worst part about playing with someone that get's zeroes is not getting a 6

[lone gulch]

You know whats worse? Havin a 0 healer xd

[elfin surge]

loser boosts me for free

[teal hedge]

First 5!

Wait how did this warlock gain rating

We killed her literally every round except last when I carried her.

[lone gulch]

He has good mmr

[fickle forge]

Placements

[lone gulch]

Theres placements? i've had this happen to me on 2.1k rating

[teal hedge]

I had extremely poor placements but I've finally hit cr 900

[fickle forge]

First 10 games are placements, but this is 800 MMR so

[lone gulch]

But i didnt get as much as he did

Got like 3 points xd

[teal hedge]

So from what I'

ve understood

Is, I get glad gear for everything except helmet and boots?

@elfin surge

[elfin surge]

ye man just copy my gear

[teal hedge]

That's da plan

But I've got warrior figured out, mostly

Feels good man

[lone gulch]

Dont you play spear?

[teal hedge]

I play le epic bleed

[lone gulch]

I got bored from spear

Spear burst is insane but i prefer bleed atm

[elfin surge]

stats pretty much the same

roar users would like more haste than i have

but its fine

[lone gulch]

I had like 5% haste while playing spear xd

All i had was my beautiful crit

[teal hedge]

I figured the macro out

I literally just pick the funny direct upgrades to my blue gera

*gear

[teal hedge]

But my bars are actually making me sick

And I don't even have my stance-change bound

[elfin surge]

[teal hedge]

I am fighting two mages fucking kill

me

Holy shit

[quaint snow]

[teal hedge]

I lived, bitch

[scarlet flame]

why is that mages name different from all the others

oh its russian

[teal hedge]

It's in cyrillic letters

"Shellectun"

*"Shellestun"

No idea what it means

[scarlet flame]

just weird that its the only one thats different

[teal hedge]

"Sveshevateldush"

Actual nonsense

Either that or my cyrillic alphabet is off (which it most certainly is)

Goofy ahh alphabet

Might be "Sheppestun"

No idea whether that's a p or an l

Any slavicbros here to help out?

[teal hedge]

Holy shit lmao

Priest did not have a good time

[elfin surge]

[teal hedge]

My guy was on the verge of tears in chat

[latent hazel]

how long is the que

at that low mmr

[teal hedge]

15 minutes

Says 10, but it's been 15 minutes thus far

But I am slowly but-steadily climbingh

We no longer lose because I pass away at least

Though this pvp shenanigans is costing me big bucks

I only have 274 gold to my name

[elfin surge]

man my qs are like 50 minutes

[teal hedge]

What the fuck

Uh oh running into same people

This does not bode well

THREE WARRIORS

[quaint snow]

wow token is 20 euro, then you could insta make the crafted pvp pieces

[teal hedge]

Just purchased the expansion, no money

[quaint snow]

rip

[fierce ermine]

I feel that. Thankfully I was able to get 1800 in less than a week on my ret paladin

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, each alt fuels the next.

Now if only they'd give healers satchels like they do with pve

so queues come down a bit

I don't think a few thousand gold per shuffle healed will shatter the economy

[frosty nexus]

they do now

but you only get like 2 primcal chaos KEKW

[sharp meteor]

ya its nothing

in pve u get like augment runes n stuff

bag with like 2000-4000g+ worth for shuff would be good

would get queues flowing

[torpid roost]

I'd like that, I already endure shuffles as a healer, make it semi profitable

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I'd learn to heal if I was getting paid gold for babysitting rets that call me slurs.

[torpid roost]

They can capital N hard R so long as we win

[viral haven]

could you guys suggest a good plater profile?

for arena

!plater

i saw one that looked good that just had 1, 2, 3 for enemy names

like their party position

instead of actual names

something big and easy to follow myabe

[thick reef]

Is Disc priest struggling to fistweavers?

[unique fox]

solo shuffle on a war is fucking awful lol

whys anyone play this shit?

[sharp meteor]

shuffle kind of uninhabitable with ret rn

and won't get tuned for a few weeks so like uh

[unique fox]

its bad man

[sharp meteor]

idk they just decided to frag the end of the season

[unique fox]

the bops and sacs and shit cucking every go and you just get trained into the dirt

[thick reef]

Meanwhile, I level my Ret lol

This season is complete ass now because of those pink plated assholes

[scarlet flame]

i haven't played since the buffed ret

im not gunna play until they nerf it

[thick reef]

They already did once

[scarlet flame]

okay well

[thick reef]

It's still a rapetrain of fuck you

[scarlet flame]

they still 1 shot

and they still immortal

so until they get gutted im not gunna que

[unique fox]

its not enough

theres a ret in every game so odds are you're going 3-3 at best

[wheat jay]

All pvp sets for you all

[vestal vine]

Those are regular or elite?

[wheat jay]

Elite

Regular are green

[mild thunder]

demon hunter got ripped off the worst imo

priest, warr, dk, rogue, hunter are all pretty great

[wheat jay]

I dont even know which one is dh xD

[mild thunder]

bottom left

[wheat jay]

Hunter kinda bad

Isn't it mage?

[mild thunder]

nah hunter one is awesome

right of druid is mage

[wheat jay]

Isn't it evoker?

[mild thunder]

actually yea i think that one is evoker

mage is missing

its priest, warr, dk, sham, hunter
dh, lock, rogue, druid, evo, monk, pala

[wheat jay]

I think dh is missing, not sure

[mild thunder]

nah bottom left is defs dh

that's why it's on nelf

[wheat jay]

Same as monk?

I forgot human cant be monk

[mild thunder]

monk is on void elf

[wheat jay]

[mild thunder]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-season-2-demon-hunter-tier-set-tints-in-patch-10-1-embers-of-neltharion-331812#screenshots:331812:2

[wheat jay]

Ye

[mild thunder]

its dh

[wheat jay]

Ok its dh

I think I'll level my dk

Just to get this set

Maybe 10.0 set too, would be nice to have it haha

[mild thunder]

the dk set is a must-have for sure

[wheat jay]

Ye

How much is a conq box?,

200?

[mild thunder]

375

for dk

this colour

is so clean

[wheat jay]

Ye

Its nice but I like blue the most

Screams death knight

[mild thunder]

the blue is a little generic imo

this one stands out more

[wheat jay]

Nah its Basic bitch necrolord

[mild thunder]

looks better than any of the necrolord stuff they ever did xD

[wheat jay]

Well

Yes xD

Ok so plan is

1800 warr

1800 dk

[lean burrow]

now if this could be white-silver instead of yellow

[wheat jay]

Push on hunter whatever spec

[lean burrow]

or if the white tint had teal glowing

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge got put on a shirt by xaryu

[wheat jay]

There is white silver color

From lfr xD

[lean burrow]

yeah but it's blue glow

[wheat jay]

No its white glow

[spice hornet]

Rolled up and smoked

[mild thunder]

im lvling my hunter for 1800 now

[wheat jay]

Dont its wack

I'll be swapping to bm now

[mild thunder]

bm 🤓

[wheat jay]

Since its easier

I cba

[mild thunder]

sv

[wheat jay]

I'm tired of survi being dogshit

[mild thunder]

i was thinking of playing mm

[lean burrow]

this one?

[wheat jay]

I'll play whatever is strongest s2

[wheat jay]

Oh you meant dk

[lean burrow]

it's not teal

[wheat jay]

I meant warri

Warri has white tint too

[lean burrow]

yeah, cringe that it's not elite

[scarlet flame]

this one is sick

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay what's a good bow mog

for mm

[scarlet flame]

that one is actually the best one of all the sets wow

[lean burrow]

something like SL S1

[wheat jay]

OOF

Nothing

Use guns

Also gentlemen

Dk looking crazy fucking good xD

[mild thunder]

bro i cant fucking read that shit

[scarlet flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

open in browser and magnify

[mild thunder]

im so glad dk is getting that talent

[scarlet flame]

[wheat jay]

Open in browser, ye

Man i like those dk talents

Legit xD

Shit's amazing

[scarlet flame]

this is a fucking insult

[wheat jay]

Imma roll that ice cold dk

[scarlet flame]

who fucking made this talent

[wheat jay]

That's a funny talent

[scarlet flame]

what is this some fucking barbie video game

[wheat jay]

Disarm for spells

I like most of the new talents

[scarlet flame]

i hate ret paladins but this is a kick in the nuts

[mild thunder]

bruh wtf is this

[wheat jay]

Theyre making something different than "target enemy and cast shit"

[scarlet flame]

that is garbage

[wheat jay]

Ye this one is busted xD

[mild thunder]

clone > maim + ff > bite > ff > bite

[scarlet flame]

that sounds so dumb

[mild thunder]

thats actually gross lmao

[lean burrow]

the cringiest thing is not being able to get dk/pala transmog on warrior

like in SL S3 S4

[wheat jay]

True

I hate it

But oh well it is what it is

[scarlet flame]

wtf lmao

[lean burrow]

counter warriors with one button

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

so whats up with the balance team

how do they think up these busted ass talents for some classes

[mild thunder]

dont worry guys

rebound is kinda getting buffed

[wheat jay]

Bro I swear theyre making dk into new survi

[scarlet flame]

i dont even want to talk about rebound cause warriors are good

[wheat jay]

Giving it more tools to help team and setup shit

[scarlet flame]

why are mages getting freedom on frost nova dispel

why are dk's getting a 3 second 20% wall on death strike lmfao

[mild thunder]

dk has been a utility god all xpac tbh

[wheat jay]

Shhh

[mild thunder]

they have ungodly amounts of cc

[wheat jay]

Dont ruin it for me

Okay?

[scarlet flame]

they want to nerf warbringer by 65% because of damage but they're okay with giving dks a 20% wall whenever they want

[wheat jay]

Yes

[mild thunder]

strangle, asphyx, aoe blind, double grips, spammable 70% 2-target slow, 2 ranged kicks, petstun

probs other stuff im forgetting

[wheat jay]

I'll be Frost tho

Fuck unholy

[scarlet flame]

they are giving paladins a ranged magic disarm HELLO

[mild thunder]

bro its 3sec on a 1.5min CD

chill

[scarlet flame]

like thats not impactful at all

[mild thunder]

and it's a frontal cone so the dipshits will miss it 90% of the time

[scarlet flame]

no one cares about dogshit players with abilities

[mild thunder]

but yea a 3sec deterrence on a 1.5m CD with a pretty decent cast time

is not gamebreaking

at all

[scarlet flame]

its not about it being gamebreaking

im just wondering what the balance team is thinking

[mild thunder]

it'll be better for rbgs than anything else

[scarlet flame]

giving classes these abilities

[mild thunder]

id be surprised if it's even popular in arena

[scarlet flame]

okay tbf i dont really know what other ones paladins run most of the time

so ill give you that

its still a good talent thats an option to take

[mild thunder]

this is the cringe malding that people need to stop

[scarlet flame]

im not going to stop malding over classes getting busted shit for no reason

[mild thunder]

it's not busted..?

[scarlet flame]

paladin is busted..?

[mild thunder]

and have you seen hpala? class is the king of struggle street

[mild thunder]

RET is busted

after a rework

[scarlet flame]

yeah no one is playing holy

[mild thunder]

and yea

rets would never play this

it's dogshit

[scarlet flame]

what are the other talents they take

[mild thunder]

"oh, that pala is hard-casting in melee? kick him so he cant bubble"

that's just a surefire way of getting your ass killed lmao

[scarlet flame]

if you get kicked using it in melee you're a bad player

[mild thunder]

if classes are bursting on you hard enough that you need to use this ability, they're probably on top of you

if the people you're versing arent retards, they're probably playing around/close-to pillars to avoid it

it's a clunky spell that will likely not be super popular

except maybe for hpala

[scarlet flame]

okay ret does have some pretty good pvp talents

to choose from

[mild thunder]

even if they didn't, it sounds like an awkward and clunky ability that won't have a ton of uses

[scarlet flame]

if the rest are bad the one thats good but clunky will get used, the rest are not bad so ur right

[random fractal]

i just hate being killed by a "melee" class from 30 meters away

30% dr and still having to fight for my life against a fully honor geared paladin

[mild thunder]

tbf the extra range is a pretty unique and fun part of the ret rework, and something that they shouldn't necessarily change... the problem is the amount of damage they do from range (130k globals from 20yd outside of CDs)

they should probably cut it down to ~15yd and then continue hacking away at the sporadic burst... ret is still fairly immobile, giving them some unique ranged capabilities isn't a horrible idea

[night crescent]

anyone have a quick arena 1 pet target macro?

[rotund trellis]

I really don't know myself anymore. One day I suck and one day I go 5-1

has there been inflation??

[mild thunder]

there's always some degree of natural inflation - more people play, more people continue to push rating and the mean rating of players increases as the season goes on

[rotund trellis]

and i don't know if it matters, but i ditched my razer naga for a lighter mouse, binding all the abilities to the keyboard

[viral haven]

if i get 1800 on one character do i get the set on everyoen?

or i have to hit 1800 on every toon

[mild thunder]

no

wait

if you get it on one warrior, you get it across all warriors

but you dont get other classes' sets

[sharp meteor]

The sets are acc-wide but restricted to class.

[low pasture]

I think they'll likely add an internal cooldown to that because FF hits harder than Bite atm.

[mild thunder]

doubt it, it's super clunky regardless

clones aren't exactly easy to get off a lot of the time as feral

[low pasture]

Does the auto cat form activate gcd?

[mild thunder]

no clue

but clone is so awkward to get off that pretty much no feral runs it anymore

so it's a 3 point dump on top of a pvp talent, on top of the hassle of actually trying to use it

[low pasture]

On the contrary if they're kicking Clone your healer/casters get to cast

[mild thunder]

healers aren't getting kicked on cooldown regardless

unless you're a fistweaver or hpala playing melee wings, you're not getting kicked very often without getting trained

[low pasture]

Odd considering ppl generally throw kicks at me when I heal

Unless melee

[mild thunder]

as caster it's easier, sure

but running clone to take kicks off your healer isn't really a worthwhile strat as feral

which is why no one runs clone

[low pasture]

They're butchering Leader of the Pack sadly so maybe we will have room for it?

[mild thunder]

LotP will still be fine, wdym?

[low pasture]

It'll be fine but not as good

[mild thunder]

10% move speed isn't that bad, esp since crit value is going down anyway

you'll potentially run the talent, sure

but it's not particularly great or in need of an ICD

[low pasture]

The heal portion is still crit based though so it's ultimately a nerf.

[mild thunder]

i dont think that makes it ultimately a nerf

but yea 10% move speed for your team is pretty good, esp since feral runs with either hunters or other melee

[low pasture]

Kinda wishing they'd just let Ferals cast Clone in Cat Form again at this point

Instead of this talent

[mild thunder]

wouldnt really make a difference, it's still a cast you have to get off as melee

casting rep as pala is just as awkward without having to shapeshift

[indigo barn]

What's the go with the new poly talent?

[low pasture]

It's enough to make Mages care about Poly more again

25% movespeed equals the zoomies

[quick carbon]

imagine getting sheeped next ssn

hp bar isnt moving

u see the rogue walk up to u

knowing he has dance

u see mage blink over to u they stun uu they chain the sheep onto ur healer

u know ur fuckedd

[mild thunder]

everything else in that talent is annoying and cringe

the hp thing is fucking retarded

blizz cannot let it go live

[quick carbon]

LMAO

they let

ret go live

so

kekw

kekw

[mild thunder]

[quick carbon]

i mean tbh like

[mild thunder]

dw guys we can reflect 2 things now!! wowowow

[quick carbon]

even if that change does come

if ret isnt absolutely gutted

wont matter

only 4 dps specs rn r even good

[mild thunder]

crit nerfs hurt ret a fair bit already

[quick carbon]

everything else is ass

mage rn is absolute dogshit

because it isnt ret bm demo or warrior

so fuck it

buff em

[mild thunder]

isnt the firemage tier set totally busted?

that's what i heard at least

[quick carbon]

nothing they do to any spec

matters

until ret

is gutted

[mild thunder]

ret just needs their walls and sac CDs increased, and then some extra nerfs to top-end burst

and it'll be fine

[quick carbon]

remove judge dispell

[mild thunder]

and wings CD increased probably

[quick carbon]

make sac a 2m cd for ret

[low pasture]

Who told you that?

[quick carbon]

make wings a 90s cd

[low pasture]

Fire tier is on a button they don't use because they lose mastery by doing so

[quick carbon]

make wall a longer cd

[mild thunder]

2mins

or 90s with 15s duration

[quick carbon]

the game needs

an overhaul

talent trees need to be redone

[mild thunder]

it's getting an overhaul - it's called riot mmo

[mild thunder]

true tho, they're a good change but so many of them are just weird/stupid/poorly designed

[quick carbon]

there is no world

where its okay

for certain sspecs to have the freedom they have

with thr talents

[mild thunder]

blizz forgot what opportunity cost is

[quick carbon]

warriors is one that needs

to be looked at

[mild thunder]

unironically druid has one of the best class trees in terms of having to pick what you want

[quick carbon]

u should have to

[low pasture]

Druid class tree is hot garbage

[quick carbon]

warriors is poorly designed balance wise imo

[low pasture]

It's so badly in need of more pathing

[quick carbon]

double time and 30s leap and stormbolt all being accessible at once

[mild thunder]

L take... druid actually has to pick between different forms of utility, mobility, tankiness etc

[quick carbon]

is awful

[mild thunder]

you're just saying it's bad because you dont get everything you want

news flash - you shouldnt

[mild thunder]

delete double time

delete 30s leap

[quick carbon]

warrior mobility is absolutely

retarded

[mild thunder]

delete impending victory

[quick carbon]

anyone who thinks it isnt is wrong

[mild thunder]

warrior getting double time and short leap is like if feral got wild charge and tiger dash

retardo

[low pasture]

Who thought locking curse dispel behind multiple dead talents while forcing you to take enrage dispel was a good idea when hardly anything in this game has threatening enrages?

[mild thunder]

that pathing is intentional because it makes sure that even retard players in m+ end up taking utility that they need... it's a weird choice at face value, but it was intentional

[low pasture]

Then why Skull Bash not there?

[mild thunder]

same reason that walls are all in front of dps talents

because skull bash is on the bear/feral side of the tree

[low pasture]

Your interrupt is much more important than Soothe

[mild thunder]

pre sure skull bash was also in a more mandatory spot earlier in the season

the only particularly bad thing about druid tree rn is this stuff

this is also goofy, idk why they did this

[low pasture]

^

[mild thunder]

but apart from those 2 issues, it is the best example of how future trees should be designed... certain "strong" nodes like Astral Influence or Thick Hide require investment, capstones are strong but not mandatory, mobility, cc and utility all require choices and there are interesting, unique abilities available across specialisations

[sage raptor]

In a pvp environment it's hot garbage

[quick carbon]

warrior tree too good for pvp nerf it

[mild thunder]

the tree is only bad because every other tree is retardedly designed

im not saying the druid tree is good right now, im saying it's the benchmark

alternatively, we give every class and every spec every single active ability, cc, mobility and passive they want so we can all stack 10,000 modifiers with infinite mobility and endless cc

such good design, much wow

[tepid stag]

I have question

Is there a priority system for who a hunters frost trap targets? Say my healer gets pet stunned and I know a trap is coming. If I leap on him and wiggle does the trap target me over my healer or is it rng

[mild thunder]

no

it's a 50/50

but wiggling technically decreases the chance, just sit on the healer... if you're wiggling instead of standing on top you're decreasing your chance of actually being on top of the healer when the trap lands

[tepid stag]

How exactly does the hit box of the trap come out from the hunter? Does it not exist until it hits the spot on the hunters cursor? Or is it like a straight line from the hunter to the target

[mild thunder]

yea it doesnt travel out in a line from the hunter to the spot, it's a cursor ability

[tepid stag]

Ok

[mild thunder]

it gets lobbed onto the set area

[lean burrow]

doesn't wiggle force the server to update your position more often

so the trap would register for your hitbox sooner

similar to how if you are on a mount and go inside building, you might not dismount if you don't press left/right and server doesn't update you

half the classes can clear trap on healer

[mild thunder]

Pala and priest?

Ig lock can if they use imp

And dh obv

But hunters can run undispellable trap into all of those except for priest

Or just throw hunters mark on the trap target to block dispels

[lean burrow]

that new dk talent with AMS on teammates sounds op

[mild thunder]

ye

costs you a fair bit tho

not being able to ams yourself

[lean burrow]

they can't ams themselves?

it's just reduced duration

[mild thunder]

no as in

popping ams on an ally

means you dont have the CD for yourself

and dk without ams flops to magi teams

[lean burrow]

it'll probably get picked vs hunters/ferals/whatever

warriors get rebound

meanwhile someone reset the market for these

r2 sockets were 50g a few hours ago

[quick carbon]

That talent is going to own against comps like jungle

[mild thunder]

yea into jungle it'll be insane

or melee/boomy teams

[quick carbon]

nah u want ams for urself

Boomy pumps

Rlly hard

[mild thunder]

AMSing rootbeam every single time

is pretty useful

[quick carbon]

just play with a rsham

They never get root beamed anyway

[mild thunder]

🤓

[quick carbon]

u know what I hate

[mild thunder]

wait

how does shaman get out of rootbeam'

[quick carbon]

they have spirit walkers

[mild thunder]

oh yea

[quick carbon]

on some giga short cd I swear

I hate how I qued 3s tonight

[mild thunder]

1min

[quick carbon]

and didn’t fight a single non ret team

[mild thunder]

fun

[quick carbon]

The games so boring

if u don’t q ret u lose instantly

U KNOW WHAT I DIDNT SEE

I DIDNT SEE KITTY

[mild thunder]

kitty cleave

xD

[quick carbon]

BETA COMP

[mild thunder]

its probs

the worst warrior cleave tbh

maybe better than warr/dh

[quick carbon]

actually I qued into 1 non ret team

And no way

Dh war better imo

[mild thunder]

reroll ret

and we'll play together

[quick carbon]

no

[mild thunder]

lets flex as lumberjjack cleave then

[quick carbon]

u know how boring

Ret war mirrors r

[mild thunder]

very

[quick carbon]

It’s just zzzz

[mild thunder]

idk ive never really

played ret/warr

[quick carbon]

it’s brain dead

Just like every warrior cleave

[mild thunder]

tru

well

find me a good destro

im gonna run arms/boomy next season

as long as boomy isnt triple D tier

[quick carbon]

boomy is p good now

Except ret exists so

It’s not ret so it’s bad

[mild thunder]

yea but i feel committed to the kitty cleave now

so too late

[quick carbon]

If your spec isn’t bm ret demo or arms

Your spec sucks ass

[mild thunder]

i wonder how bm kfc feels now

you can probs pve pretty hard and win a lot of games

same as jungle

[topaz tulip]

so how we feel about the ret changes?

I haven't touched pvp on my war in too long. Starting to get itchy

Maybe a better question is, how is the state of pvp overall, cuz I'm sure the constant rets in q isn't all there is to talk about

[mild thunder]

ret nerfs were good but not enough
arms still a top 2-3 melee
bm, demo both insane
rsham stonks are up

[topaz tulip]

noice

gonna go run my bm rn then lol

[fickle forge]

As per usual

[topaz tulip]

damn i suck

[quick carbon]

ret still best class in the game

warrior better than rogue now because ret exists

ret war > ret rogue so therefor war > rogue

[vestal oxide]

Is Warbreaker viable in Arena ? i've seen many top ranked warrior using it in 3v3 , even Baj btw ...

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPBVVUVUEQVAQpRQVBROVRFRURUJVCRVARCRE

[quick carbon]

yes?

most of the time you’re taking warbreaker lmao

[mild thunder]

Yea I agree with most of that

If you’re going from a SoloQ perspective arms and sub are still pretty equal tho, sub possibly even better

[quick carbon]

no

Ret hard counters the entire rogue class right now

[mild thunder]

Ok let me clarify - if there is no ret in the lobby

Sub is still as good or better than arms

[quick carbon]

when is that happening

LOL

[mild thunder]

Idk I don’t play shuffle

[vestal oxide]

Mate , i've been asking help for build as my first arms pvp build , they've sent me one without .......

[mild thunder]

Pins

Don’t watch/listen to bajheera guides

Save yourself the time

[quick carbon]

I didn’t mean to come off douchey I just thought it was well known

[lean burrow]

i watched some bajeera video, he's got weird builds

fear knockback talent

[quick carbon]

Why not

[quick carbon]

I use that

Every game

[lean burrow]

what does it do

[mild thunder]

Bajheera is a nice guy
He’s cool
He’s big and swole

But he’s a bit retarded

[quick carbon]

it makes fear 8 seconds long lmao

Why wouldn’t I use it

[lean burrow]

how

isn't it just knockback

[quick carbon]

no

Increases duration

And a knock back

[fickle forge]

:sus:

[lean burrow]

my life was a lie

[fickle forge]

That's kinda busted if true

[quick carbon]

he’s a good warrior his advice is worth more than 99% of the ppl in this cord

[quick carbon]

I’ve been using 8s fear for months haha

[vestal oxide]

Thunderous Roar + No Skullsplitter Pinned build

for 3v3 is it , right ?

[mild thunder]

I’m 99% sure it doesn’t increase duration

[quick carbon]

it does

[mild thunder]

Prove

It

[quick carbon]

it does it does it does it does it does

HOW AB U GET ON THE FUCKING GAME

[mild thunder]

No

[quick carbon]

AND GO HIT FEAR

[fickle forge]

Woah brother

[mild thunder]

I’m cooking dinner bitch

[fickle forge]

You asking us to play WoW?

[quick carbon]

gala knows I love him

[lean burrow]

you don't eat chicken nuggets?

[mild thunder]

Homiesexual just for you

[quick carbon]

bidenator would have it no other way

but yes the menace talent does increase fear duration

it’s actually 7s now cuz everyone has 15% cc reduction but next ssn it’ll be 8s

[fickle forge]

Get 3k with this one weird fear trick

Locks hate him

[quick carbon]

u know how fun it is

To fear tyrant for 8 seconds

just make tyrant do no damage

just beat demo locks off cd

cuz ur ret war LUL

[fickle forge]

Ret warr betas

[topaz tulip]

int shout does in fact get extended from menace, but i thought the extension only applied to everyone else?

[quick carbon]

never noticed all I notice is longer fear

[fickle forge]

The Chad KFC enthusiast

Vs the virgin ret+warr abuser

[quick carbon]

yeah well if ur not qing with a ret

[fickle forge]

[quick carbon]

Ur not winning

[fickle forge]

But if you do ret+warr just to win

[quick carbon]

most boring meta I’ve ever seen

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-what-did-it-cost-gif-14001403

[quick carbon]

I play ret war to not get farmed by ret x x

I tried to q turbo into ret war last week

I ended up whispering people

[fickle forge]

The Chad hardstuck 1k KFC vs the virgin 3k ret+warr

Gonna start playing enh again with the new PvP talent

[quick carbon]

gonna start playing fun comps whenever ret is gutted

[fickle forge]

• Every person ever

Gonna start playing arms again when fury isn't mandatory

Gonna start playing fun comps again when X+warr isn't this strong

Gonna spec X when Y is nerfed

[quick carbon]

whenever fury is better than arms

I just don’t play wow

Kekw

[fickle forge]

Fury kitty cleave

Was the worst shit next to resolve

[quick carbon]

I’m glad I missed that shit

[fickle forge]

Simulating the BFA meta

Yo bro you're unkillable, and I'm unkillable with this tank lego, let's play 25 min for +12?!?

[quick carbon]

they should just bring back wod

Wod meta best meta

[fickle forge]

Lowkey liked Legion

Everything off GCD

Turbo pressing winds and teamwide reck on the same nanosecond

Insta RIP

[indigo barn]

Yes let's bring back bodyguard

[fickle forge]

Return to SL S1

Pre-Intervene nerf

[quick carbon]

YO PAIN TRAIN WAS PRETTY POGGERS

[fickle forge]

[quick carbon]

GIVING U RECK HERE GO APE SHIT BUCKO

[fickle forge]

Was pretty insane

The skull banner replacement

Here's 100% crit on 45 sec CD

[quick carbon]

It only gave 30% crit to teammates

[fickle forge]

That's still insane

But was 100% for yourself

[quick carbon]

I hated legion reck

because wod reck had a cooler animation

[fickle forge]

Animations kekw

When will Shatter move past 2005 animations I wonder

[quick carbon]

shatter is a 2007 animation owned

get fucked

[lean burrow]

why is menace never talented in all those guides?

[quaint snow]

[woeful solstice]

lmao

im reporting

the obvious pilot

[mild thunder]

dude wdym

he's just a glad player

why r u so jealous noob

[woeful solstice]

[lean burrow]

thank you for your service

[woeful solstice]

clown shit

at least self play it

[lean burrow]

I think blizzard marked my account as report abuser

because it's been half a year since I received "thank you" mail

[fickle forge]

He just has a really good gaming chair

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge accept my tsg proposal

Frost tsg

You fuck

[fickle forge]

I'm not gonna play TSG you monkey

[wheat jay]

You are going to play tsg

Because I want to play tsg with you

And Frost dk seems fun with new talents

And new tier bonus

I'm not trying to play it cuz of meta or anything

Its gonna have big burst windows every like 30s

With pillar having whelpling, bonus main stat, bonus mastery, more crit dmg, and both frostwyrm and whelpling doing some dmg

[mild thunder]

the 4pc seems kinda shit tbh

actually wait nvm it procs off the 2pc

im dumb

[wheat jay]

EXACTLY

It sounds so fun and so oppressive in pvp

And Kargish doesnt want to play it

Aight fuck it

[mild thunder]

rip

[wheat jay]

@elfin surge yo we playing tsg instead of kfc

[mild thunder]

i need to get my 1800 set on dk this season

cbf

[wheat jay]

Ye me too haha

I gotta level it up first tho

[mild thunder]

i wanna unlock zandalari

and then make a new dk

plus my dk needs a better name than just Snow

[wheat jay]

Meh

[quick carbon]

Mag talks about it on his guide

[mild thunder]

does mag still do guides?

[quick carbon]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YNpNdR32g4inir5wo7WAkmV23eKiiekETVTDxdFyYYg/edit?usp=sharing

[elfin surge]

qd tsg last night its ight 😎

[wheat jay]

good

[elfin surge]

tsg is back

[quick carbon]

I qued mw tsg last week and it felt fine on its own

ret war just aids

into it

[elfin surge]

turbo better

but tsg is deco

[wheat jay]

fair enoguh

[spice hornet]

Mud got smoked by Xaryu last night

Playing tsg

Xar handing out shirts with Muds face on them

[dark sparrow]

actually recommending shatter 😮

[elfin surge]

nah we beat them

i think we went 3-3

but bro

frost mage mm rsham

vs melee cleave

10 knocks that dont dr

cmonnnn man

[quick carbon]

just trinket the knock

[mild thunder]

bUt ArMs CaNt Be KiTeD

[elfin surge]

frost mage is fun

[mild thunder]

i bet it was blades edge too

[spice hornet]

Giving frost blast wave was a mistake

[thick reef]

Ya idk why they have that. Way too troll

[mild thunder]

a lot of specs have a lot of things they shouldnt

[thick reef]

Yea

[mild thunder]

DB + double nova + blast wave + slow + cone of cold

is cringe

[spice hornet]

Blinks

Ice floes

Spec is lowkey retarded

Cast while@moving abilities are bad for the game, thought we got rid of that stuff

Kiljaedens cunning

[lean burrow]

warriors: double charge + stun

"why are warriors so OP?"

[thick reef]

Very cringe yea

[spice hornet]

When people whine about that makes me laugh so hard

[quick carbon]

ya blast wave is lame

but still warrior mobility is cracked

[elfin surge]

Man theres just no kiting melee

meanwhile frost mage never casts

75% of total damage being ice lance

maintaining 77k dps

[quick carbon]

just pre kick the Lance

that simple

[mild thunder]

omg nerf dk

[quaint snow]

they cast glacial spike, jUST KiCK tHAT LUL

[low pasture]

May as well just let them cast it now since the nerf.

It's nowhere near as threatening anymore.

[brazen dew]

I'd gladly trade blast wave for deep freeze.

[low pasture]

I think anyone would trade their left nut for Deep

[brazen dew]

I think it's goofy that mages have no form of main target cc.

Makes punishing stupid plays hard.

[undone pumice]

buy a rogue for 12 gold/game

[last orbit]

hey are there any good video guides or text guides for pvp as arms?

I just have a lot of questions and i dont want to spam this discord with them

[dark sparrow]

not rlly no, a lot of questions have already been answered in this discord tho so you could always search for them. If you can't find them, we can try to provide feedback on most things

[teal hedge]

I have done this

[last orbit]

Starting question because i want to get the current up to date things

What build should i be running under what conditions

And what is the general rotation?

[teal hedge]

Many people here are very friendly and give out advice.

[teal hedge]

For your rotation I find prioritising different buttons to work best!
I play a bleed-build, so I use rend, but general rotation prioritisation is:
Mortal strike > Overpower > Refresh rend. If none of these are available you should incorporate ignore pain"

But I haven't played crit yet, and crit might value ms more.

But there are some builds linked in pins!

I prefer bleed, and I've heard it's more popular on EU? But big crit seems cool as well.