I guess it got harder to get or something
#pvp
near delta
mild thunder
cobalt delta
one more thing should i try to get 2x op/ 2x executioners precision on target as much as possible before slaming ms or just let ir rip whenever ms is available?
mild thunder
press ms whenever you can
cobalt delta
ok, thanks guys, cleared up a lot of things
mild thunder
you can hold fully-stacked ms for burst, but you never wanna hold it very long
i just wouldnt worry about it tbh
near delta
The biggest thing and this kinda depends is try to not over cap on overpower stacks
mild thunder
that too, the rotation is pretty self-feeding... doesnt take much to master it
near delta
The arms rotation is simple but hella overloaded rn with all this rage
cobalt delta
now just decide what to gear, haste or crit
mild thunder
ive looked at my rage bar once this entire xpac
cobalt delta
never played it before so idk which feels better
near delta
You want a mix of both but mostly crit
cobalt delta
gonna play war/dh probs, any suggestions?
near delta
It also is kinda build dependant
cobalt delta
ye but i saw builds depend on what stat u prio
near delta
A lot of people just play dragons roar with full crit doesn't really matter
If you're doing skullsplitter haste is really good
But that's sorta niche
near delta
Yeah it legit doesn't matter
Just know that more crit means bigger mortal strikes
And more haste means a smoother rotation
Well bigger damm everywhere
cobalt delta
so both, crit and haste, work for thunderous and spear builds?
not gonna go skullsplitter atm
near delta
Yup but crit is a lot more important for spear
Yeah don't recommend it
To start with at least
cobalt delta
wait is that pinned build correct with not running -30 sec on thunderous roar?
mild thunder
for which build
cobalt delta
Thunderous Roar + No Skullsplitter
indigo barn
You don't want to line troar with avatar?
mild thunder
are they really complaining that our defensives and burst are off-GCD? like everyone else's? 
reddit dwellers are more demented that wowhead commenters i stg
"2.4 druid" - certified soloQ elite player
woeful solstice
every fucking game tonight
rotund trellis
it's not 2.4k, it's 2.4 period
woeful solstice
demo is so gross now
i want to die
spark zenith
I've gone from 2200 to 1950 this week
worldly grail
weird question how is arms doing so well in solo shuffle? did something change where they arent super reliant on a healer?
rotund trellis
we kill things.
worldly grail
fair fair, wasnt sure if anything changed though lol
signal shadow
hi all. First comment here. Is there a way to make wpn enchant procs more...visible?
woeful solstice
weakaura
worldly grail
yeah when in doubt theres a weakaura
signal shadow
yeah I dled it but it is a freaking labyrinth this addon
woeful solstice
take the time to learn it imo
watch a youtube tutorial on basics
its a very powerful addon and i recommend knowing the basics
signal shadow
yeah I am running a macro when I pop all dmg boost abilities and I would like to know when devotion procs so that I can 200k ms
mild thunder
hi all. First comment here. Is there a way to make wpn enchant procs more...visi...
100% not worth tracking
signal shadow
why not
mild thunder
It’ll do dmg sometimes, but you’re not going to be playing around it
Waiting for it to proc is bad, forcing burst at bad times because it procced is bad
signal shadow
not waiting for it to proc
but when it does and I have the others available, I would like to seize the moment
mild thunder
It’s just not worth bursting that way - there are other things that are more important to track
signal shadow
like?
mild thunder
If it’s a good time to pop your go, do it. Don’t base it on whether your enchant is proccing
mild thunder
like?
Your positioning, the healers positioning, what cc you have available, if your partners are cc’d, the entire game is more important than a minor enchant proc
near delta
huge fucking push today. 1800 -> 2143
GZ dude
signal shadow
solo?
unique fox
@knotty kraken whats ur comp?
woeful solstice
<@1048368344518111373> whats ur comp?
ive done a few diff comps, so far been running thunder, war/spriest/rsham, war/ret/rsham
the spriest comps feel nice right now because we can delete the rets still
ret is definitely the easiest but it has some drawbacks, wiz cleaves are kinda rough sometimes
mild thunder
ret is definitely the easiest but it has some drawbacks, wiz cleaves are kinda r...
ret should be easy into casters - magi bop, freedoms and they're unkiteable
and dispel into anything other than affli
near delta
ret should be easy into casters - magi bop, freedoms and they're unkiteable
Yeah but they gotta be good
woeful solstice
ret should be easy into casters - magi bop, freedoms and they're unkiteable
yeah I made buddies with a ret today and we had better games against wiz cleave doing this
i was in the LFG pit earlier this morning
rets not using sanc
rets not using anything really
mild thunder
yea there are some turds running wild out there
woeful solstice
had a dude yesterday constantly hoj into DR off cooldown at 1900 mmr
"Yeah i went from 1500 to 1900 today, really loving ret"
booted him so fast
woeful solstice
bro i went 0-1800 on my alt ret in blues in about 3 hours only due to ss que time lmfao
mild thunder
yea lol
woeful solstice
free rating rn
near delta
had a dude yesterday constantly hoj into DR off cooldown at 1900 mmr
A couple rets I played with today
Would just hoj the kill target before I could ever bolt
Then it just gets insta dispelled
Over and over again
mild thunder
its even worse when there's a ret on the enemy team, cause then you cant even hoj the healer
unless you have something reliable for the ret
woeful solstice
yeah into that we hoj following my bolt
lean burrow
bro i went 0-1800 on my alt ret in blues in about 3 hours only due to ss que tim...
this is like fury on DF release
lilac musk
I've seen a weak aura that shows if your healer is cc'd and makes the icon glow - does anyone have a link to something like that?
rapid shard
Would you guys say ret or arms is better for 1v1 in open world
icy bridge
ret
mild thunder
Would you guys say ret or arms is better for 1v1 in open world
that's a pretty tough question right there... on the one hand, ret is the best spec in the game right now and has always been a pretty strong wpvp spec, and on the other hand arms is literally a meme without a healer... i think arms
rapid shard
that's a pretty tough question right there... on the one hand, ret is the best s...
You had me til the end
spark zenith
Fuck. 2200 down to 1850. Time to delete toon boys.
frosty nexus
gotta go down to go up
mild thunder
fair warning to anyone playing with a mw or other major absorb-based spec right now - absorbs dont work
you just take dmg through them
seen it happen mostly with SoV and cocoon
not sure if/how it's affecting ignore pain
spare rover
it’s random bug
seems to happen more if there’re multiple shields applied at the same time
but may be just my impression
i.e shields work most of the time, but sometime they just not and you gotta notice fast
teal hedge
Yeah sometimes ignore pain just doesn't fire for me
mild thunder
i.e shields work most of the time, but sometime they just not and you gotta noti...
its definitely not only if multiple are applied, have had it happen/seen it happen severfal times where that isn't the case
but yea it is a little inconsistent
teal hedge
Like the button bounces up as if it's pressed, but nothing happens
Also is this man playing enhancement in pvp?
Holy based
spare rover
its definitely not only if multiple are applied, have had it happen/seen it happ...
I just observed it more often on my ret when playing with a disc, but it could be just more shields being casted - more chance for bug to occur
also with 10.0.7 I’m seeing a lot more addon errors bugging UI but now it stops keybinds from working, the patch was clearly rushed not only ret balance-wise
cloud elk
did Rets get nerfed then? because it doesnt feel like it
teal hedge
Load into bg
Le enemy team consists half of hunters
We lost 1498/1500
Any way to remove the scoreboard-biond?
Also, how do I tell when paladins are immune etc? They just glow all the same to me
storm swift
Yeah sometimes ignore pain just doesn't fire for me
teal hedge
How often should I pop sweeping strieks?
green anchor
when the enemy is stacking
viral kraken
anyone got good talent set ups for arms in solos , cant seem to keep myself up even with IP
storm swift
play more defensively, and kite more, go in with cds then back out
intervene heals
use ur entire toolkit
muted surge
Use WW for the 360
storm swift
does that ever juke people into thinking ur bladestorming
muted surge
thats a good question
hardy mulch
Any way to remove the scoreboard-biond?
It should be in keybinding options
glacial badge
Is it worth using Onyx ammulet ring in PvP atm ?
random fractal
if you can find a good gem combo for defensives then maybe
there was one that would let you be basically invincible outside of cc, but if you got cced you where down secondary stats of a ring
its been patched though
last orbit
Would arms or fury be better for a beginner to the class?
random fractal
fury is alot easier, arms is alot better
they both kinda just w key at people
same playstyle really
teal hedge
Arms feels more satisfying imo
Hitting those big buttons
But you can't really rampage as much with arms
At least not in bgs
random fractal
you can pre stack it before the game starts and keep it up and be guranteed to kill a person in the teamfight since you can do atleast 1 million burst in like 2 seconds
random fractal
yeah
teal hedge
Which stats do arms want now again?
teal hedge
Haste and vers or haste and crit?
random fractal
haste and vers
and if the item you want doesnt have a haste version go crit and vers for that item
teal hedge
Ok
Which trinkets should I get?
I got the anti-stun one
Badge of ferocity as well?
Yeah
Anti cc medallion
Loadet
last orbit
how did you get the honor for that as soon as you hit level 70?
teal hedge
The grind
last orbit
oh
mild thunder
Is it worth using Onyx ammulet ring in PvP atm ?
no, nerfed by 75%
mild thunder
Would arms or fury be better for a beginner to the class?
arms is the perfect spec for beginning pvp, fullstop - high dmg, braindead rotation, low skill-floor + high skill-ceiling
mild thunder
isnt it 25%
75% is what i heard, and they definitely would do it
no one wants the ring to be used in pvp
fickle forge
It's 75%
random fractal
useless ass ring anyways
mild thunder
its good for some specs in some pve content, that's about it
sterile flicker
enjoy
limber relic
I've seen a weak aura that shows if your healer is cc'd and makes the icon glow ...
i have that
teal hedge
Which classes do warrior counter / get coutnered by?
I am losing so hard what the hell
latent hazel
Which classes do warrior counter / get coutnered by?
casters
teal hedge
I really struggled with rogue and paladin
worthy fern
War generally pretty good into other melee
Outside of like assa
And random op outliers
teal hedge
Hunters are pretty painfull, too
teal hedge
When should I pop vic and ip?
limber relic
whats ur war name
seifcham
topaz granite
bleed build or spear build
rotund trellis
back to the 1400s boys and a razer naga destroyed
lobby with 0mmr healers, pala, unholy, lock, I was always the target, healers can't keep me up, lost all rounds but one.
I'm officially done lol
and yeah I was often in def stance, all cds used, tryed to kite when off off cds, etc. nothing.
I'm so baad it's shocking. lol
lean burrow
and yeah I was often in def stance, all cds used, tryed to kite when off off cds...
macro bstance to cs macro
rotund trellis
yeah that wouldve saved the series lol, but thts a good point
tranquil raven
teal hedge
Yeah, they still need some work
Their range and stuns are too good for their surviability and burst
Makes it more satisfying when you gut one, though
I've been strsight up killing lower level paladins that are questing
This shit is war
bright cloak
They can also get a PvP talent to dispel when they use Judgement. Shuts down some casters hard.
brazen dew
I am now hitting top dps
which build? Was gonna do some warrior games later lol
teal hedge
which build? Was gonna do some warrior games later lol
I honestly have no clue, but I think it's bleed without skullbash
modern pilot
do you need to be in line of banner to get cc reduction?
brazen dew
Skullsplitter sounded like garbage on paper, had no idea it pretty much instantly ticked all your dots lol
real junco
what gems to socket for fury neck for pvp?
cobalt delta
fistweaver turbo?
green anchor
do you need to be in line of banner to get cc reduction?
You can throw it down behind a pillar and then LoS it and still have the buff
undone pumice
quick carbon
men, its acquired
undone pumice
men
teal hedge
You fellas ever do stuff in voice chat?
Like, I do not know how to capture le gameplay, and I need le tips
brazen dew
men, its acquired
wot
frosty nexus
is big slam / whirlwind build a meme
i just seen some dude on EU absolutely dunking on everyone in first 5 seconds of 3s
every single game
quick carbon
who knows
frosty nexus
and i just tested it on pvp dummy and did a 155k whirlwind
maybe this is the secret strat
brazen dew
do tell
I almost got enough pvp gear to not throw in shuffle, lol. Which build should I try first?
teal hedge
prot
brazen dew
🤔
teal hedge
Nah, but I just use some messy build, I can send it and then get publicly executed by that biden guy
brazen dew
I like public executions, go on.
teal hedge
undone pumice
@mild thunder
brazen dew
Bleed build seems promising
near delta
rET neRFeD bTW
They nerfed them from S+++ tier to S+ tier
teal hedge
Who pinged me?
brazen dew
first game, are you proud of me dads
quaint snow
gj, now seal it with a back to back 6:0
quaint snow
by far the best, i stopped using spear personally
brazen dew
anything you'd change here?
I was switching to warbreaker when I was fighting the unholy
scarlet flame
men, its acquired
boo
brazen dew
If you're going double caster, do you run storm of destruction or the charge execute over disarm?
scarlet flame
banner
scarlet flame
i dont think its a good talent compared to the other options no
brazen dew
I figured it might be good with how uncoordinated ss is
banner's cool tho
Also, how gimped am I for not having the bleed helm
PVE andy over here with no sparks.
cobalt delta
bleed build requires some haste or?
cuz i went full crit
5% haste 28% crit
for spear build, but want to try bleed
rancid heath
first game, are you proud of me dads
im playing against u lol saw your screenshot and Im like
wait im in a ss game against u
teal hedge
Yeah I'm on a losing streak
Honestly don't even know what I am doing wrong
I got a rating of 480 what is going on
dark sparrow
bleed build requires some haste or?
Yea with bleed build you probably wanna sit around 20% haste and crit
Even as spear build 5% haste feels to sluggish imo
woeful solstice
how's inflation working?
getting much better
above 2k isnt just pure r1s and awc
also depends on what time you que but yeah
rancid heath
first game, are you proud of me dads
rough lobby for u xD
woeful solstice
it feels better, knowing we have like 6ish weeks left in the season to inflate has me optimistic
cobalt delta
Even as spear build 5% haste feels to sluggish imo
idk war gearing seems so busted, all pieces have either crit or haste, so u can go full one side or another 😄
rancid heath
i was the monk but how tf can u be in a 2.2k lobby in ur 2nd game.. like wtf XD
cobalt delta
gonna buy some haste offpieces then
woeful solstice
i was heavier crit early on in the season but now im adding haste / resockted versa/haste gem
i need the haste now, games are ending quicker and you need to do shit much faster
brazen dew
rough lobby for u xD
I'm not geared enough to deal with double ret D:
fucking bullshit class lmao
teal hedge
@mild thunder You're gonna have to explain this to me as if I'm mentally deficient
quaint snow
bleed build requires some haste or?
you need at least 10% min.
quaint snow
in general, otherwise you fall asleep before you can press another gcd
cobalt delta
wb gives 10% haste 😄
quaint snow
you need to test for yourself, but for me full crit wasnt doing it
quaint snow
im spear atm
and overall i have the feeling that the bleed build is better than the spear
quick carbon
and overall i have the feeling that the bleed build is better than the spear
depends
spear into mages/monks owns
beyond belief
sharp meteor
for arms as long as it's not mastery u good
limber relic
i cant decide xd
brazen dew
two questions: This the ideal bleed build?
also, what do I drop if I want to run shatter?
worthy fern
You don’t need that tclap stuff
Unless something big changed since I played
Get rid of tclap and the one below it and you’ll have some free points
rancid heath
I'm not geared enough to deal with double ret D:
yea its an overtuned class rn lmao
brazen dew
these double ret games are such a fuckin meme.
teal hedge
I need to give rend a better bind than shift + q
woeful solstice
why the hell would it be shift q lmao
that sounds awful
shift modifiers on keys you have to press often is just exhausting
anyone have a shatter/wrecking combo macro
im an idiot for not using one
sharp dirge
shift modifiers on keys you have to press often is just exhausting
sounds exhausting to find that exhausting, shift binds dont differ to a normal bind for me pinky rests naturally on shift
mild thunder
<@589020053748449300> You're gonna have to explain this to me as if I'm mentally...
?
teal hedge
Which button has which priority? When do I pop avatar and colossus? What about movement?
mild thunder
two questions: This the ideal bleed build?
also, what do I drop if I want to ...
I would drop Sharpened Blades for Fatality... SB is nerfed by 50% in pvp and is only really worth taking if you're also getting Exe Precision
and yea what other people said about thunder clap, it's just pad that you dont need
teal hedge
But yeah, you have any good guides on bleed-arms?
wheat jay
there aren't any good guides anymore
mild thunder
guides really do be a dead form of content
the only people that still make them are actual brainlets that have no idea what they're talking about
teal hedge
Yeah, I been trying to figure some stuff out but I feel a little lost.
Are there good way to target enemy players for rend and the likes?
Like, avoiding pets etc
mild thunder
get the addon RETab
switches between tab-targeting all enemies in pve and tab-targeting players in instanced pvp
obsidian loom
christ sakes ret needs another 20% dam reduction
theyre pumping nutty numbers
143k final reck crit
obsidian loom
mild thunder
im not even memeing, 143k is pretty normal for this season unfortunately 
little lava
guys
explain it
i killed ret
while he had idk 30% of his vengeance shield
but it killed him
XD
he just popped
mild thunder
while he had idk 30% of his vengeance shield
absorbs are broken
it's been reported on forums already
little lava
XDDDDD
scarlet flame
yeah fuck paladins its the other classes i feel bad for
brazen dew
I would drop Sharpened Blades for Fatality... SB is nerfed by 50% in pvp and is ...
I take it exe precision isn't worth grabbing for bleed build, too. Wondering if there's a different build I should try until I gear up a bit.
Super out of practice so my main doesn't have the conq to send to my war, lol
sharp meteor
https://cdn-cf-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/8597j5.mp4?Expires=1679974860&Signa...
I think I've seen it happen with cocoon, rapture shields and shield of veng.
Just people with 5% health and 100k absorb dying.
brazen dew
I saw it last night and assumed it was some weird change to veng to work like IP.
sharp meteor
It is most easily noticed with sov I think
I also had it happen on my Rogue where they die to bleeds from like 10%
mild thunder
I take it exe precision isn't worth grabbing for bleed build, too. Wondering if ...
it is if there's >2 pets... drop unhinged if that's the case
brazen dew
I hope those inc pvp changes actually do something.
brazen dew
it is if there's >2 pets... drop unhinged if that's the case
Swap unhinged+ fatal for exe + sharpen?
mild thunder
I think I've seen it happen with cocoon, rapture shields and shield of veng.
yea it's pretty retarded, idk how blizz breaks something that bad
sharp meteor
yea it's pretty retarded, idk how blizz breaks something that bad
Dude they broke frontals aagain
mild thunder
Swap unhinged+ fatal for exe + sharpen?
nah, just unhinged for SB
brazen dew
can they hit you from behind
mild thunder
Swap unhinged+ fatal for exe + sharpen?
fatality is pre much never worth dropping
brazen dew
what do you drop for exe then
sharp meteor
extra 40-80k finishing power is so good unless u constantly swap targets imo
brazen dew
mild thunder
you can drop FbV for it, but i wouldnt
mild thunder
extra 40-80k finishing power is so good unless u constantly swap targets imo
100k fatality + 60k execute outside of CDs 
scarlet flame
didnt they cap it at 8 now
mild thunder
still omega strong
mild thunder
getting >8 stacks is super rare
scarlet flame
is it still doing 100k tho
sharp meteor
Lemme check games last night hmm
mild thunder
idk that was the day nerfs were announced
scarlet flame
i hit a guy for 124k with it lmfao
mild thunder
just capped a priest from like 40% clean, no CDs
i cant believe people were complaining about the nerf lmao
scarlet flame
i think those people that were complaining were just training 20 stacks on 1 guy
tbh
8 stacks is good
sharp meteor
20 stacks was like meme montage levels
mild thunder
if you were hitting 20 stacks, you were probably fucking up in other ways anyway lmao
scarlet flame
thats like hitting through PS to keep stacks up
mild thunder
it's the terminal "tunnel-one-target-only" players in soloQ
scarlet flame
mild thunder
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
vapid tartan
thoughts on fatality in 3s?
scarlet flame
its still good
mild thunder
thoughts on fatality in 3s?
bro read up
sharp meteor
thoughts on fatality in 3s?
It seems hard to pass up in the context of 3v3 because you will often add another 40-80k finishing power.
In shuffle if matches are frantic with target swapping it loses some value I think
but is probably still solid?
As often training one person
mild thunder
what stat combo for the honor gear?
near delta
Where should I craft enduring blow?
mild thunder
do we craft Unity?
modern pilot
yo guys, what are the toughest matchups for arms rn
mild thunder
okay the real question right now is
with absorbs not working
does wrecking just do normal dmg and go through the absorb, or does the full wreck dmg just get dealt to their actual health
wanton sun
What are some good targets for arms war in solo shuffle atm? I feel like I can't kill anything lol
near delta
And double ret
It seems like a skullsplitter angle but I suck at it lol
solemn bear
Im arms, and I am full pvp geared, but it feels like im just tickling people in pvp now, while shamans, pallys, and priests just kill me in a second
anyone else feel like that recently? was there a patch nerfing us?
near delta
You have tier?
wanton sun
Im arms, and I am full pvp geared, but it feels like im just tickling people in ...
im 424 pvp ilvl and i feel the exact same way. have 4 pc and everything
elfin surge
solemn bear
You have tier?
I do
wanton sun
Spear build feels better now than bleed build but thats' just me
solemn bear
im 424 pvp ilvl and i feel the exact same way. have 4 pc and everything
yeah idk whats going on recently. feels like do no damage anymore to actual people. like half the damage i do to the pvp dummy in the city
wanton sun
I went from being a top 1-2 overall dmg dealer in every solo lobby to 3-4 depending on the lobby. just doesn't feel fun to play. i miss my big MS crits lol
solemn bear
ive always been spear build, big numbers go brrrr
scarlet flame
elfin surge
i got hit for a 190k ele blast in a shuffle
and my warlock goes
"bro hit rally???"
👍
near delta
Just line it
Is ret ironically the best melee into casters now?
All that range and magic bop for some reason
sharp meteor
i got hit for a 190k ele blast in a shuffle
That's a 150k hit when you had roughly 110k hp.
Still a silly big hit, though.
solemn bear
that would be really sick to reflect with the reflect PvP talent
serene cobalt
Is arms just weak compared to fury
wanton sun
fury is weaker than arms atm
Honestly, I just wouldn't queue as warrior right now. It is shitty right now
near delta
The whole game is just feeling weird atm
brazen dew
Waiting to see what happens with ret.
sharp meteor
100% they get more nerfs over next few weeks
too tanky too much damage make their teammates immortal etc
quasi zephyr
serene cobalt
Do you guys agree that once you reach a certain rating like 1200 it should stay locked?
and you can't demote, just go up
serene cobalt
per season
random fractal
cant really do that
cause of item upgrades and shit
would make it less competitive to
sharp meteor
Do you guys agree that once you reach a certain rating like 1200 it should stay ...
No
Well, maybe it'd be fine if MMR were unaffected
mild thunder
Do you guys agree that once you reach a certain rating like 1200 it should stay ...
no
sharp meteor
although I don't know what it'd do
if you're losing at current rating then you go down it makes sense
if you're winning a lot then you go up
nice n simple
mild thunder
if you're falling below/stuck below 1200, you deserve to be there
b-b-b-but elo hell 
idk why people are so obsessed over redefining "zero rating" in this game
sharp meteor
i mean in terms of systems they could change it so u can't drop rating but can drop mmr and lose the ability to EARN rating although honestly idk if it'd help anything
because then people who are 2500 cr but 1800 mmr just make a new char because they think it's the only way up and out
because they need to win 30 games to earn points again
not having point loss doesn't make sense
mild thunder
yea that'd just be bad... if you're on a 10 loss streak at 1600, you shouldnt be 1600 because you're clearly not a 1600 player
sharp meteor
like it does for keys
ya and cr is already cushioned by mmr
if i go 5-20 then my points go down quite a bit
but if it were off mmr entirely then my points would be cratered
mild thunder
ntm it'd fuck gladiator again so they'd probably have to change it from 50 wins >2400
which would be fine tbf
near delta
i mean in terms of systems they could change it so u can't drop rating but can d...
Yeah that's just a worst version of the horrible overwatch system
sharp meteor
i get people are scared of dropping points but can always just play an alt
leapfrogging and playing lowest alt prevents u from tanking
brazen dew
if you're falling below/stuck below 1200, you deserve to be there
I've never been stuck below 1200 tbh, i don't get how you can get stuck at literal free rating
Hell ELO for me is usually 1600-2k
near delta
Elo Hell is other people
pale minnow
They should delete solo shit already, waste of time and ego boost for epic harstuckers below 2k
sharp meteor
next season they dialing back shuffle mmr
and if they don't add a mount
it'll be quite a bit
less popular
brazen dew
next season they dialing back shuffle mmr
sauce
sharp meteor
idk some blue post a month ago
shuffle gains down 2s and 3s gains up
no word on shuffle mount
languid wyvern
is full honor gear considered undergeared at this point in the patch?
torpid roost
Yes
brazen dew
idk some blue post a month ago
how would that even work though
just award less per win? like
it's still going to be inflated because 90% of people are going to be better off in RSS than pugging.
sharp meteor
probs tweak the rate at which it inflates off games played or something
shuffle giving all the same low-mid mmr rewards with like one tenth the effort
and being easier to queue was just a horrible mistake
brazen dew
Hope they figure it out, this season's kinda discouraged me from really caring about s2.
I'll do 1800 for the mog because it's kinda trivial, but don't really wanna go for elite.
Who knows, maybe they'll nail it - but I'm very doubtful. Maining a caster has been misery lmao
sharp meteor
get elite the weps are sick
wanton sun
The weapons are cool. But the grind sucks. 45 mins for queues are awful and the huge rating swings are frustrating and demoralizing
granite arrow
The weapons are cool. But the grind sucks. 45 mins for queues are awful and the ...
45 min que is awful ?
near delta
get elite the weps are sick
I just need the glaives but not sure I cba to push dh
limber relic
Gah the struggle is real at 2300 😂
Why do i feel like its all depending on the warrior 😂😂
limber relic
Btw. Fbv yes or no
warped warren
45 min que is awful ?
woeful solstice
Honestly, I just wouldn't queue as warrior right now. It is shitty right now
Lmao what
Ur high
languid wyvern
what is the stat prio for arms?
chrome silo
why does it keep putting me into games where I'm 100 MMR higher than everyone else? It's literally impossbile to gain any rating
woeful solstice
Warr veri badge, pls no Q
actually insane
seeing so much cope in here
warrior one of the top 3 melees by a long shot right now
should be dumpstering most matchups all the way up the ladder
fickle forge
seeing so much cope in here
SL S1 Chadhold is gone
mild thunder
warrior one of the top 3 melees by a long shot right now
Yea but it doesn’t insta-win against ret so arms is G tier
dark sparrow
why does it keep putting me into games where I'm 100 MMR higher than everyone el...
win more
dark sparrow
Yea but it doesn’t insta-win against ret so arms is G tier
wdym just wrecking throw them to death
limber relic
Just do dmg. Its simple
fickle forge
Yea but it doesn’t insta-win against ret so arms is G tier
I once lost to a frost DK, clearly that just means FDK is slept on and warr is trash
dark sparrow
I once lost to a frost DK, clearly that just means FDK is slept on and warr is t...
obviously, that's why they are nerfed by 3%
chrome silo
win more
Every game I've played today has had someone lose all rounds, but I am trying
dark sparrow
sometimes it do be like that, just keep up the winstreak and your mmr wil even out and you can even climb again
limber relic
Is it worth keeping rend up or just press it when nothing is left?
mild thunder
I once lost to a frost DK, clearly that just means FDK is slept on and warr is t...
Spitting facts
vapid tartan
would it be a good idea to swap bloodbourne and bloodletting for jug+critical thinking in 2s
playing roar
mild thunder
no
vestal oxide
Hello guys ,
hope you're doing well , juste started PVP on warrior fury, 1400 in SS and 1300 in 2v2 with Holy priest from yesterday only.
Is there a better combo in 2v2 with he warrior fury ?
Btw i've seen Many warriors and only ARMS, but i'm shredding them and didn't see any fury brother ... =/, why?
teal hedge
I think it might be because fury has a lower skill-floor and roof? Arms is a little stronger, I think.
mild thunder
people seriously have to stop talking like arms has some crazy high skill-floor or is complicated and hard to learn
it's two buttons
if you cant handle that, dont play an mmo
mild thunder
if you're using the onslaught build as fury - which you should - it actually has a more diverse and active rotation than arms
teal hedge
Also, arms took a little legwork for me to figure out, at least seeing as this is my first mmo in 5 years.
teal hedge
if you're using the onslaught build as fury - which you should - it actually has...
Might have to look into that, then.
But which specs are harder than arms?
Because I don't think the rotation is the hard part of arms
mild thunder
but yea besides ret, arms is THE easiest and strongest melee in pvp
mild thunder
no tank sees consistent play in arena
teal hedge
That's fair
But yeah, the hard part about arms, for me at least, is using defensives at the right time etc?
Keeping rend and roar up is pretty easy
And pressing funny ms and exec is also really easy
But rallying, ip and impend can be a little cringe sometimes, eith me being too greedy or too cautious.
Do the ladders on EU vs NA differ?
mild thunder
you're a newish player, so that's fair but it really doesnt get any easier than this
teal hedge
I did level a monk back in legion, but I never did pvp :P
mild thunder
ww is probably one of the harder melee specs to pull off in pvp imo
not as defensively forgiving as most specs, has less/less-reliable cc, and has a fair bit to track to optimise the rotation
teal hedge
In legion it had a oneshot-macro
undone pumice
but yea besides ret, arms is THE easiest and strongest melee in pvp
based
undone pumice
no tank sees consistent play in arena
prot is prety consistantly a thing but then ur almost always in statbug cleave like a lil rat
vestal oxide
if you're using the onslaught build as fury - which you should - it actually has...
I'm not using OF since rework so , yeah i'm playing that one , and like a LOT !
vapid tartan
Is the reason there’s mostly bleed build and haste gear on murkok top warrs to help dmg rets?
mild thunder
"it helps me oneshot" 🤡
wheat jay
Sharpen best, but you gotta time it well
hollow creek
Can anyone share meta arms pvp build please
teal hedge
Also, I remember seeing some guy playing arms warrior orc/kul'tiran on yt. He wore nothing except a basic dragonflight plate helm, you guys know him?
teal hedge
Can anyone share meta arms pvp build please
Pins has good builds.
Like, he made montages and the likes, but I cannot remember his name.
spice hornet
Assass* c tier lol
warped warren
rat plays wow? 
muted surge
Apparently Switched from league, yea
modern pilot
bleed yes, spear no
does this take priorty over mortal strike, or only do it once ms is on cd?
teal hedge
I do not know if it's my healers not healing me or what's up, but I keep dying
I am going to have a joker moment
I get cc-chained and healer decides it better to top the DK at 90% health off, I die and I lose
limber relic
does this take priorty over mortal strike, or only do it once ms is on cd?
This is what im wondering too but im guessing its better to only do it while ms/op is on cd.
The problem for me tho is that ms/op rarely is on cd ngl 😂
teal hedge
I'm guessing it should be up at all times
Simple as
So wai, with fatality I should spam ms as much as possible in order to just BURST with execute?
undone pumice
rat plays wow? <:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
cant wait for ap0 on wow vomitting on his desk when he loses 100 rating for going 2-4
remember when he vomitted on bis desk after losing 300lp in 7 games
teal hedge
Holy shit I am not doing any damage?
Like, I have the rotation nailed down but I strugtgle bursting and keeping up pressure. I commonly hit bottoms damage against hunters and the likes.
undone pumice
you do not have the rotation down then
quasi lotus
or not pressing hamstring / maintaining uptime
limber relic
why are ppl taking fbv btw?
like
is it really worth it?
mby it is idk
if 3 or 2 targets have dp
Btw bop removes fatality stacks?
teal hedge
That is very much what i am doing
When I want to burst, I pop shift + E and 1
And then I hit Colossus, stun, op and ms
Of course sharpen as well
And it hits like a wet noodle
And rotation is as simple as it gets, when I cannot ms I op
When I can execute I execute
But nothing happens, people either run away or run
Oh yeah, and avatar
Forgot to mention it.
I don't have any enchants
Full blue honor gear
limber relic
Warr is very gear dependent
teal hedge
https://tenor.com/view/ew-dude-what-the-fuck-wtf-gif-16046529
You act like Greymane isn't one of the cooler guys in the alliance
fickle forge
You act like Greymane isn't one of the cooler guys in the alliance
That's because he isn't lmao
Pressing IP on CD is int
teal hedge
Int?
limber relic
yea dont do what bobby said
celest topaz
Hey, I'm starting to get into some pvp and I have my full honor set, should my conquest go to buying weapon first?
limber relic
Hey, I'm starting to get into some pvp and I have my full honor set, should my c...
wep first
teal hedge
I press ip when bitches start swinging
limber relic
only do it if ure target
teal hedge
Yeah
teal hedge
Aight
But I think I got enough for some purple stuff
I assume the axe is prio nr 1?
**right
quaint snow
Holy shit I am not doing any damage?
just get full conq gear, enchants, crafted pvp gear (424j) gems etc. buddy…. ofc your dmg is low since you miss 13 ilvls
teal hedge
just get full conq gear, enchants, crafted pvp gear (424j) gems etc. buddy…. ofc...
13 is nothing though, I suck :P
Isn't haste ver better?
quaint snow
its a difference., warr scales with gear
teal hedge
Oh btw, I run mining - blacksmithing
Very well
But yeah I've gone 0-6 like twice today
I do the same
Except my fully buffed ms does 20k
quaint snow
crit vers sword for arms, other option has mastery on it which isnt good
muted surge
Except my fully buffed ms does 20k
You still in shadowlands?
celest topaz
I assume the vers mastery polearm for fury weapon?
quaint snow
looks like ppl are running thunder clap
who?
quaint snow
I assume the vers mastery polearm for fury weapon?
yes
fickle forge
Bit strange to give advice if you say you're an unreliable source
teal hedge
But yeah, which proffs should I have?
fickle forge
Your build looks like it needs another week then
For starters, BI and EP are questionable picks
And going for exe crit over kick CDR when you're bleed is too
fickle forge
<@278157108791476224> thoughts?
Would def get you to 1200 at least
fickle forge
lean burrow
why do you take unhinged with reckless on cs
fickle forge
ego on these 2k wars
I'll have you know I got 2100 without Kevin
elfin surge
why do you take unhinged with reckless on cs
because im better
lean burrow
elfin surge
I'll have you know I got 2100 without Kevin
lol
fickle forge
Inside jokes are lit
sharp meteor
why do you take unhinged with reckless on cs
why not
probs bad into pet spam stuff but otherwise eh
teal hedge
This good?
fickle forge
This good?
Get rid of EP
teal hedge
Real?
teal hedge
Bajheera runs it
fickle forge
Baj does whatever he wants
It's not meta
Talent is nerfed by 50% in PvP
Barely a dmg increase
teal hedge
What should I run instead?
Cheers
But yeah, I'm doing some duo arenas with a buddy to get a feel fore it
hollow creek
Anyone tried smf with crit ?
topaz ether
U just need to look at basic guide and rotation and play the game
teal hedge
That's what I'm doin
topaz ether
No one is gonna magically walk in and make you 1800
teal hedge
Unenchanted honor type beat
topaz ether
But just play games and every time u die look at your keys and is there anything off cooldown u could have used to stay alive
If yes fix it next game
Otherwise just keep queing, not really a good answer besides that and gear
quaint snow
Oh my god I get slaughtered in pvp
telling you about once more, you need gear!!!
elfin surge
teal hedge
Who is this man
teal hedge
Solo shuffle is 200 and all u need is 3 wins of 6
You overstimate me
But I think I mess up the big buttons
Like the different cries
I pop thunderous when I have at least two enemies near
And I pop piercing + hamstring on people I pursue
elfin surge
I struggle at 900 :P
900cr?
near delta
I mean that tracks
woeful solstice
Post video of a shuffle game
woeful solstice
No but there’s a ton of easy ways to do it. OBS, GeForce Shadowplay, etc
elfin surge
Yeah
if youre struggling at 900 rating then you probably dont understand the basic fundamentals of arena. Keybindings, kill windows and conditions, or simply doing your damage or burst incorrectly.
do you have your abilities keybinded?
teal hedge
if youre struggling at 900 rating then you probably dont understand the basic fu...
This is true, are there resources available?
teal hedge
do you have your abilities keybinded?
Oh yeah hahaha
quaint snow
teal hedge
topaz ether
Learn how to combo your burst in guides
Charge sweeping sharpen mortal strike thunderous roar avatar blade storm
And just learn to play defensive stance swap ect
Like u just need to watch YouTube and play the game
Any rank 1 warrior can tell u what to do but your brain won’t be able to do it
U just need to play
steep cairn
Is there a % for haste where the gcd of mortal strike will not reduce any more?
quaint snow
Mortal Strike on Q i think theres your problem 
teal hedge
Mortal Strike on Q i think theres your problem <:peepologs:1085590566554828900>
How so? It's a fast button, is it not?
quaint snow
just kiddin
teal hedge
But does wow have a replay system or do I need obs?
celest topaz
how many solo rounds do you need to win to get conq?
sharp meteor
3-3 or better
mortal elm
how is pugging rbgs
around 1k?
i wanna get a saddle but solo shuffle is boring as a healer
steep cairn
As a healer you’ll be able to find 1K chill groups no problem
topaz ether
Nice you should be glad by next week if you are doing things right
If not I would probably just reroll hunter and join that discord
wanton sun
I've been running banner / disarm / sharpen into most lobbies cause of rets. Should I Just run warbringer / disarm / sharpen instead?
sharp meteor
Duel can be decent for stopping their damage on your partner
downside is that you usually have to move away as they just tab you
wanton sun
Makes sense
How can I get my teammates in solo to attack the same target? I've lost 4 lobbies now cause they call for one target and I attack that target and then they attack something else and then I try to hit what they are hitting and they keep swapping targets
Just straight up griefing
scarlet flame
spread pressure could be good if both of you can deal damage and fuck with the healer ig
if you can't focus one target tho and your partner is a retard theres nothing you can do about it unless you solo the guy you're hitting
bright cloak
How can I get my teammates in solo to attack the same target? I've lost 4 lobbie...
Go with the flow of the game instead of sticking to a rigid plan.
quaint snow
I've been running banner / disarm / sharpen into most lobbies cause of rets. Sho...
i like warbringer sharpen disarm, snagged many kills in solo with the warbringer charge
live atm with warr content
modern pilot
When I want to burst, I pop shift + E and 1
you only need one slow on the target, they don't stack. So just shift E works fine. Also sharpen is a strategic cd. For example, sharpen loses tons of value when you use it if the enemy healer is already in cc(if the target isnt getting a lot of offheals) but it becomes game winning if you use it after the healer gets out of cc(very hard to heal through)
green anchor
Whaaz on ret lol
quaint snow
ret is still overturned imo
pale minnow
Sword-chest-legs-hands-shoulder, u can make helm-boots crafted
wanton sun
Go with the flow of the game instead of sticking to a rigid plan.
I did go with the flow and lost every game where my teammate was constantly switching DPS
wheat jay
Switch with him
wanton sun
I did and they kept switching. we weren't putting any pressure on anything cause they were constantly changing
chrome grotto
hello 🙂 I've been playing wow forever, but was never really interested in pvp. However now I found big interest in solo shuffle. Me main warlock, and I recently got 1600mmr with him. And then wanted to try some melee, and set on warrior. I'm roughly half arena geared, half honor blues, and have ~390k hp in pvp. However sometimes I die in 3-4 seconds. Is there anything new warriors might miss, that's important to survivability?
lean burrow
hello 🙂 I've been playing wow forever, but was never really interested in pvp. ...
press dstance+die by the sword if you are about to be nuked
chrome grotto
should I get a shield and get a macro for shield block?
scarlet flame
I did and they kept switching. we weren't putting any pressure on anything cause...
in those situations it is 100% on you to play better than everyone else to win and its not fair but thats how it is, watch for when your monkey is using cds and try to capitalize off it by ccing the healer and using your cds or something like it
there isn't anything you can do other than play better than the other team to win with people who have absolutely no idea how to play
hot solstice
I cant understand
sometimes
buff dissapears mid game
checked every macro
nothing removes stance while in world
so annyoing
quaint snow
should I get a shield and get a macro for shield block?
No
viral haven
if mathematically, haste = crit in terms of dmg, doesnt that make haste a little better because more haste gives you faster globals to use more utility etc
lament ingot
whats the priority on onslaught fury build?
mild thunder
if mathematically, haste = crit in terms of dmg, doesnt that make haste a little...
Haste =/= crit on dmg
Dps sims don’t really apply to PvP
lament ingot
i like the idea of ur onslaught build for pvp but i'm unsure where to fit RB's
mild thunder
whats the priority on onslaught fury build?
Rampage > Onslaught > exe > cb > bb
sharp dirge
is there a macro to swap stance with 1 button? since there is no reason to have no stance active
mild thunder
why rampage so high
It’s your only spender. The whole point of fury is pressing rampage as much as you can
Everything else is “what’s the most efficient and high-dmg way to press rampage quickly?”
glacial badge
is there a macro to swap stance with 1 button? since there is no reason to have ...
/cast [battle stance] defensive stance; [defensive form] battle stance
/cast [defensive stance] battle stance; [battle stance] defensive stance
lament ingot
10-4 ill give it a rip
sharp dirge
/cast [battle stance] defensive stance; [defensive form] battle stance
/cast [de...
Thank you very much!
hot solstice
I know u r here
And I wish u never get elite title in yopur entire life
its prot
with fist weavwer
sage raptor
Lolol
icy bridge
xD
viral haven
do we use vers enchants?
lean burrow
I cant understand
!Battle stance
!Defensive stance
or else it cancels when you spam button
viral haven
ANYONE HAVE A CANCEL AURA MACRO TO CANCEL BLADESTORM?
with same button i used to cat
cast
so i can shatter or something if they immune it
sharp dirge
just put it on shatter then
sharp dirge
just put /cancelaura Bladestorm on whatever button you would want to use to stop bladestorm
i usually have it on kick
shatter is good tho aswell, sicneu can just use it and if u dont want to shatter u just move
sharp dirge
just put it above the /cast line
sharp dirge
np
sharp dirge
im not familiar with known macros
chrome grotto
first checks for focus and casts in it, in case of lacking a focus, it will cast in target
lament ingot
Everything else is “what’s the most efficient and high-dmg way to press rampage ...
this shit's fun
wheat jay
@mild thunder survi ded, what do I do now?
mild thunder
<@589020053748449300> survi ded, what do I do now?
bm
sharp dirge
bm <:okayge:917646812519739433>
out of curiosity, do u own a DK named Galachadis?
mild thunder
high IQ spec i stg
wheat jay
bm <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Ok but diff class
To play with kargo whom I forced to play in 10.1
mild thunder
out of curiosity, do u own a DK named Galachadis?
no
sharp dirge
alright
mild thunder
my dk is just named Snow
sharp dirge
😛 coincidence then
mild thunder
caster?
wheat jay
I ain't casting shit
mild thunder
when was the last time you saw an ele cast?
wheat jay
HEX IS A CAST HELLO!?
mild thunder
hex
wheat jay
mild thunder
feral is kiinda fun
mild thunder
when did skillcap get so BASED?
wheat jay
I thought about dk or ret
mild thunder
I thought about dk or ret
i think you'd be bored af playing either of those
sv > dk is the biggest downgrade you could make
wheat jay
Haha
sharp dirge
boycotte skillcapped
Sick damage bro, joe clearly doesnt know how to do damage, dont listen
limber relic
Sick damage bro, joe clearly doesnt know how to do damage, dont listen
ty but bruh
wheat jay
Wait that's you in the clip or what?
sharp dirge
just kidding :p this is clearly out of context
limber relic
they expect a boosted trash firemage to cc
wheat jay
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
wheat jay
Bro you got skillcapped and skillgapped
mild thunder
imagine getting called out in a skillcapped vid
wheat jay
But furry
mild thunder
big dam, big utility, big cc
wheat jay
I thought of going enh
limber relic
"u cant but admire his dmg, hes built diffrently"
mild thunder
limber relic
"low rated warr"
wheat jay
What else is there to play