how is that related to pvp
#pvp
scarlet flame
mild thunder
how is that related to pvp
politics is irl pvp
scarlet flame
this a wow pvp discord tho
latent hazel
ok lets talk pvp
scarlet flame
not an irl pvp discord
thick reef
True
scarlet flame
TRUE
latent hazel
like its gonna by any different xd
scarlet flame
well it is going to be different
because they dont have the same gear and are mostly horrible players
mild thunder
10 rets instead of 3
ruby temple
you guys rerolled lock or ret yet?
That's what I'm saying is atleast while the rets are running rampant the locks are hiding.
mild thunder
because they dont have the same gear and are mostly horrible players
and soloQers arent?
scarlet flame
well i have yet to see an unranked green geared guy at 2k rating so maybe its just me
i have seen people with 100k hp in bgs though
and it is very satisfying to instantly delete them
mild thunder
poor plebs are gearing
scarlet flame
gotta teach them young
latent hazel
yea lest go back to dunking on americans
scarlet flame
you got a fetish you're trying to satisfy or what
violet fossil
pretty fucked
scarlet flame
well that usually what happens when you target an entire group of people about something
violet fossil
eh?
scarlet flame
you know how its like when you say all ret paladins are crybaby retards and every single one comes out to defend themselves
mild thunder
well that usually what happens when you target an entire group of people about s...
nahhh, america bad rip bozo lmao ohio bozo
latent hazel
Ah yes Americans are a collective hivemind that cant think for themselves
scarlet flame
true fuck ohio
violet fossil
eu more like pu
scarlet flame
you literally started all your shit with "americans"
violet fossil
What’d we do now
scarlet flame
you didn't say one group of americans or whatever you just said it in the broad umbrella term
mild thunder
oce chads stand up (its only me) ✊
scarlet flame
i think australians are actually warriors irl
how many people are just gunna live there and deal with that stuff
latent hazel
Australia is a convict settlement
violet fossil
prisoner island
scarlet flame
that just makes them cooler than you
scarlet flame
i was right you are trying to satisfy a fetish
you are trying just a bit to hard rn
scarlet flame
i assume its like the people who actually care about eu vs na
violet fossil
or hasn’t been outside their own country
scarlet flame
they got brainwashed into thinking they're better for no reason and both refuse to acknowledge their shortcomings in favor of shitting on the others
but only to be fair eu is pu is the best and i havent seen a better na version
could be corrected by frelya soon tho
latent hazel
This is why its fun to dunk on Americans they got so defensive
Dunk on sweden all you want
salam
scarlet flame
no one asked where you were from
violet fossil
This is why its fun to dunk on Americans they got so defensive
like everyone else would
latent hazel
Not really
violet fossil
Ok
violet fossil
I highly doubt that
scarlet flame
eu begs to differ tbh
everyone gets defensive about people saying bad shit about them for no reason, and no one in here is defending america like you think they are lmao
you're the only guy saying where they are from
latent hazel
"them" collectivism smh
violet fossil
uh
mild thunder
yea this is kinda cringe
scarlet flame
like i said you are trying so hard
its so obvious no one can get mad about whatever you're saying dawg
violet fossil
Hot dog hot dog hot diggity dog
latent hazel
scarlet flame
dark sparrow
@elfin surge you good?
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> you good?
teal hedge
Player versus player
frosty nexus
i mean thats only like 1400 right
pretty normal
i got 467 rating change in this ss at the start of the season too
it is what it is
teal hedge
This is so hard
Hunters dominate me, paladins outheal me
Any general tips for arms warrior? I've never seen anyone play it, so I'm sorta lost
weak wedge
Level up to 70, spam comp stomp to grind honor
teal hedge
I was thinking gameplay
weak wedge
see above, you can run for your life as a non-max level ungeared warrior, or assert your dominance like a gigachad
But in BG it's usually charge/sweeping strikes/warbreaker/avatar/roar/bladestorm and pray for heals 😄
steep cairn
Yeah hunters and locks can be BG heroes but we need a pocket healer to truly dominate can be rough out there Mr Fungus
mental knoll
HOW have ret pallys not been hotfixed yet 
dark sparrow
I was thinking gameplay
If you want warrior bg gameplay you can look at bajheera but he has like 3 pocket healers 
undone pumice
unplayable if u dont
thick oracle
Anyone knows a macro that autoattack doesn't get stuck on focus target when you do mofifier focus macro?
plain lynx
Anyone with a nice solo shuffle arms build?
sharp meteor
Bis build right now is not queuing until ret gets nerfed
Because your ass is grass in a double or triple ret lobby regardless of talents
plain lynx
Oh, just returned, so no clue whats bonkers
sharp meteor
Yeah, playing now without a ret is just donating points
mild pier
Wow 2s is such a fucked bracket right now
Every game at 1600 feels like I'm going for glad wins
plain lynx
Try sitting at 1600 with 1 conq item
mild pier
Getting to 1600 with 1 conq piece is nothing short of a miracle
Just wild how easy shuffle rating is to get compared to 2s and 3s right now
near delta
Because your ass is grass in a double or triple ret lobby regardless of talents
I played a double ret/dev lobby this morning. Somehow more hellish than triple ret
mild pier
Ret is so disgusting
plain lynx
This makes me wanna try ret
mild pier
They were average for half a patch and Blizz was like nah we're reworking the entire class
sharp meteor
The spec was just a broken unfun mess
now it's an overtuned mess which will hopefully get fixed eventually
low pasture
Of course the Warrior Discord would bring up the military
mild pier
now it's an overtuned mess which will hopefully get fixed eventually
We can only pray lmao
near delta
The awc finals gonna wild af if it doesn't get tuned
Eden in the monk discord said "i had a nice chat with a Ret yday on 2.5 MMR who was so hyped for me to hit 2.4 and he told me basically "man 2.4 was always unreachable, but right now its actually doable since ret is finally balanced" lmao
muted surge
Eden in the monk discord said "i had a nice chat with a Ret yday on 2.5 MMR who ...
But it’s the truth. The missing balance held back most of the players. Same with having to have a good team to push in arena. Now with Solo shuffle and actual balance they are unleashed, while the people who thought were good get shit on. That’s just what happens when the playing field is levelled
low pasture
But it’s the truth. The missing balance held back most of the players. Same with...
They’re crying because Ret isn’t garbage for the first time in a long time and can actually stand on it’s own. They’re crying because Ret doesn’t instantly flop when it’s stared at too hard like they feel entitled to have it do. They’re crying because they can’t sit a HoJ and facetank a Ret’s entire offensive toolkit and survive easily like they feel entitled to.
I play Arms, Ret and Enhancement for my melee characters. Ret right now has about the same level of tankiness as Arms with less damage. Arms hits harder, outright, with the same gear. Enhancement has more consistently functional Survivability with the same gear and hits slightly under what Ret does.
Full stop, flat out, people are pissed because Ret isn’t garbage and is actually threatening + difficult to kill, the same as the other A and S tier specs. But people can’t handle that. They expect - they DEMAND - Retribution be absolute trash at all times for reasons I’ve never fully been able to comprehend. Like they just feel like anyone who enjoys the spec deserves to be treated like trash.
sage raptor
"arms hits harder"
near delta
Am I being gas lit right now?
low pasture
Yup
near delta
Okay cool
limber relic
They’re crying because Ret isn’t garbage for the first time in a long time and c...
Ret right now has about the same level of tankiness as Arms with less damage. Arms hits harder, outright, with the same gear.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
elfin surge
ret is finally playable after being F tier all of shadowlands
near delta
limber relic
There is a simple reason why there are rets EVERYWHERE totally dominating everything
low pasture
ret is finally playable after being F tier all of shadowlands
The Ret rework was actually a ploy by big Warlock to take attention off of casters so they can fly under the radar undetected for longer.
near delta
Hunters are getting away with murder tbh
No one can ever complain they're op after the ret apocalypse
Ret wasn't that bad if you abused the consecrate bug like vanguards lol
low pasture
Hunters are getting away with murder tbh
They'd be getting away with more if Rets weren't in their current state
Everyone would be
near delta
My ww actually feels way stronger when there isn't a ret in the game lol
low pasture
I haven't played a single match as DPS yet this week, just been healing.
Since Rets cancel each other out
wheat jay
No one can ever complain they're op after the ret apocalypse
True lol
near delta
Since Rets cancel each other out
low pasture
I love it
First week I've just had quick MD as a permanent fixture, only match I had that didn't have a Ret on the enemy team had a Frost Mage in it instead 😛
Apart from the double Ret SS rounds.
elfin surge
the ret solo shuffle r1 cutoff is already higher than arms
near delta
Wow
sharp meteor
like 80 points higher whew
near delta
The number of rets I've seen that are life long challengers that are suddenly like 2600 is wilddd
dark sparrow
Are you trying to kill the ret? That’s why
cloud elk
well yeah last soloQ i was against a ret and he killed me in 0.7 sec from half hp
after i stuned/disarmed
lone gulch
i went from 2186 rating to 1774 since the patch start 😢 every game a pala and i get one shot
Good game blizzard, good fcking game
lone gulch
guys why do i feel like i do no dmg in arms pvp
I love how i do nice dmg, but simply the fact that paladin has his full burst like every 5 seconds its unplayable
Every game i get a ret and i end up winning just 2 games cuz hes on my team those 2 games
Nah, fck solo que until this is fixed
spice hornet
why is this even allowed at this time
lone gulch
Cuz blizzard wants to make up to ret pallas for them being the worst class to play since the start
I bet you thats why they still havent fixed them
Fck the burst, you just cant kill them
Before this they had burst but were paper
low pasture
after i stuned/disarmed
I'm no Ret expert but I'm going to guess Rets can still use Holy damage to its fullest extent during a disarm?
Or was this after disarm ended?
obsidian loom
did blizz really not fix ret for the weekend lmfao
holinkas too busy slamming interns or something
low pasture
holinkas too busy slamming interns or something
Holinka already put in a hard year's work writing a detailed, thought provoking reply to this thread - https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/battleground-content/1533191/19?blzcmp=app
He's exhausted
quasi zephyr
i went from 2186 rating to 1774 since the patch start 😢 every game a pala and i...
Same
lone gulch
The best part is it doesnt matter what you do, ret pala makes all mistakes that are fatal for any other class, they still one shot everything
mild thunder
The best part is it doesnt matter what you do, ret pala makes all mistakes that ...
Get good noob lol
lone gulch
xd
mild thunder
Then idk you’re disarming at the wrong time
Because it literally stops everything except judgment
And maybe wake
lone gulch
Maybe, usually do it on their wings
ruby temple
smh hunter got tilted and went afk last round could have had the 4-2 too. my favorite was he actually gained 300 rating for afking 2 rounds 🙂
spice hornet
ughh shuffle so far, 3 rets, 2 rets 2 rets 2 rets
come on
blue post happened 20mins for some crafting order garbage, hope they make a post about rets next
mild thunder
dont hold your breath
wheat jay
"we're happy with how retribution rework turned out, we'll be keeping constant watch over it to ensure it is right where it should be"
idle falcon
guys how much is the average 1800 boost
wheat jay
Some gold and all your dignity as a human being
idle falcon
i can live with that
wheat jay
Well, go Ask in trade chat then i guess
idle falcon
how much gold though
wheat jay
Or check some boosting community discord or whatever is left of them
near delta
"we're happy with how retribution rework turned out, we'll be keeping constant w...
They're still garbanzo in raid so they might buff them more
thick reef
Agi
near delta
They usually nerf strong pve weps anyway like the rasz bow
wheat jay
Therefore I ask pvp oriented channel
thick reef
Imagine not playing the meme Dagger Surv build
wheat jay
Oof
near delta
Imagine not playing the meme Dagger Surv build
The what?
thick reef
The what?
10.1 they get an auto attack based talent
So you swing fast and hope to proc it
wheat jay
Dual wield dagger survi would be nice tbh
near delta
But don't you need a 2h to do like most things on surv? L I
thick reef
And unlike our zug zugs they actually get Agi from it
wheat jay
Go full melee, spam your shit 120apm
thick reef
But don't you need a 2h to do like most things on surv? L I
Just a Melee weapon
wheat jay
Ye but not sure you can dualwield
near delta
Ya
near delta
I think you can but you lose something?
wheat jay
Anyway, 12k on every melee swing sounds nice
thick reef
I think you can but you lose something?
Damage lol
near delta
Lol
thick reef
But then you get to be a Mail Rogue with a pet
mild thunder
guys how much is the average 1800 boost
just soloQ lol
wheat jay
gonna learn some huntard for fun
Join me
But play survi
If you're bm then leave at once you filthy animal
idle falcon
just soloQ lol
i reached 1664
now im 1300
noone playing it taking 1 hour to play 1 match
needed 3 more wins D:
limber relic
How the fuck do u beat rets nowdays?😂
near delta
They kinda have to throw to lose tbh
But luckily most of these rets are fotm and not very good
frosty nexus
you gotta use mindgames
get into his head and tilt him so he misplays
when hes on ur team tell him the other healer is shit talking him
mild thunder
How the fuck do u beat rets nowdays?😂
disarm wings
swap to them on sac
make sure they're cc'd when you stun/fear healer or kill-target
cant kite wings, but you can LoS and/or cc it
if they bubble during wings, just run and come back and kill them after
mild thunder
20s
fair tide
frank knoll
bleak quarry
Why are blizz so slow at fixing this shiet
bleak quarry
how did tihs pass QA
fading forum
what QA
bleak quarry
XD
copper hare
Thing is every r1 on ptr told blizz that ret is like that and can never go live
Yet here we are
wooden grove
Let’s be honest, Ret deserves some time in the sun.
Just queue with one and ride the wave
wooden grove
We all know you just want surv to feel like ret does rn
wheat jay
No
I want every class to be equal so I can shit on others in arena and feel superior to them
Like, what's the point of dominating arena if you're tuned like its 10.3
Boring
copper hare
We all know you just want surv to feel like ret does rn
Hm I see plenty of survs right now, more than bm
What changed
wheat jay
100% buff to chakrams, which is actually not a lot and bolas dont break cc anymore
Done
Ret giga nerfed hahaha
wanton sun
Should make playing solo shuffle more bearable
Maybe I can go back to pushing as arms
copper hare
What a shame some of these apes get free glad until wednesday
sharp meteor
Four days of not queuing. Cool.
spice hornet
changes like this should be rolled out now
legit retards get to abuse it until tuesday morning
sharp meteor
Anybody queuing and losing points is doing so willingly
copper hare
go touch grass for a few days
not smoking anymore
copper hare
triple ret lobby where all the rets are 2700 and the healers are 2200
yeah I had my fun aswell yesterday https://gyazo.com/0d5e50abc0dce88c4b2d325cd9157416
2 pink bastard power rangers following my dogshit alt 6 rounds in a row
spice hornet
Lmao
yeah i just back to back triple ret lobby on my alt warr
i dont see how you can win in this lobby
copper hare
I think arms ret beats double ret in 3s, but in shuffle with fast dampening its rough
spice hornet
both times in those lobbies they just train me every game max damage
swift folio
wanton sun
they are already live
slim sun
scarlet flame
we like to see it
icy bridge
woeful solstice
GOOD RIDDANCE
brazen rock
lmao rets
woeful solstice
i can play the game again
obsidian loom
@elfin surge I see you posting that 
in ret discord
woeful solstice
doing my part
brazen dew
Trying war in shuffle after getting enough gear sent from my other guys. What spec is the play?
woeful solstice
both work
brazen dew
Pinned builds still the play?
I know war well, but haven't pvped on it yet this expac, so wanna kinda ease into it lol
woeful solstice
ya they havent changed much in 10.0.7
fatality kinda sucks in longer games now for 3s
thats about it
near delta
dang no wonder my shuffles queues arent popping anymore
Kyrian my man. Going hard af in hammer of wrath lol
spice hornet
lmao
too easy over there
mod gonna ban me tho, ill be back later
my shuffle queue time since the ret nerfs went through
hmmm
had it pop 3x 5/6
near delta
I've noticed whenever it goes way over the avg it seems to pop quicker if I requeue
But who knows
Did they say when the nerf was going through?
Other than tonight
Wanna smoke that retpack
scarlet flame
yeah they just play templar now and still do the same damage
near delta
Lmao
scarlet flame
nerf on survivability but ya know
woeful solstice
yeah i think ret still gonna be good just not a tank
near delta
Ye
woeful solstice
ret/war still on the menu for top 3s comp
near delta
Honestly them switching to TV is so much rougher since you can't even kite it lol
near delta
I guess that's me thinking in ww too lol
spice hornet
I got a shuffle with one it felt nerved
Nerfed
But still high dam
Let me see if my best shuffle has 3 of them
Next*
mild thunder
yeah i think ret still gonna be good just not a tank
ret went from SS tier to S+ tier
big deal
mild thunder
ret/warr still a disgusting comp imo
copper hare
still better than rmp or double lock meta
mild thunder
true
we benefit from it more than almost anyone else since rets gravitate toward us
but imo cupid is just as good or better than ret/warr
spice hornet
Games pretty good if these outliers get addressed
Just want some more ladder activity
copper hare
Game would be a lot better with tier sets disabled* and 10% start dampening removed imo
near delta
Games pretty good if these outliers get addressed
We're so close to things being pretty balanced
little lava
funny
some wars where playin solo shuffle
cuz i was 43 and last time i checked in game i was 40
3 guys fell off
gonna push for r1 after ret nerfs
spice hornet
The nerfs went through
little lava
good
narrow shard
Fury decent in pvp?
mild thunder
Fury decent in pvp?
it's viable, that's about it
sharp meteor
Fury decent in pvp?
It's aight
narrow shard
if you were gonna play witrh a ret for fun would you play fury or arms?
copper hare
gonna queue some shuffles I think lets see how ret is
sharp meteor
gonna queue some shuffles I think lets see how ret is
Still good/excellent it just
isn't quite as utterly batshit insane
good healing, wall usable in stuns, good damage, minute sac, etc
near delta
They really need to add an ICD to judgement of the pure
spice hornet
sharp meteor
male belf rets looking at "remove cc from teammate" or "judgement dispels" and go "nah imma take the 2% dmg buff"
low pasture
male belf rets looking at "remove cc from teammate" or "judgement dispels" and g...
If they're male Human Ret they make a forum post bragging about how good at the game they are.
random fractal
Arms in general seems better right now
arms is pretty much better then fury in everything
personally i dont think so in mythic+ besides for dungeon like algethar, fury has more consisent aoe
sharp meteor
it is, still op tho
woeful solstice
ret/warr still a disgusting comp imo
Agree
I’ll be running ret war for glad probably
random fractal
i was fucking around in the reach as prot spec, am like a 700k hp pvp geared tank, and the ret just hojs me when my trinket is down and kills me before the hoj runs off
100-0 kek
sharp meteor
ya tanks take a lot more dam
random fractal
is that true?
sharp meteor
like 60% or something
random fractal
i dont really feel that in pvp
besides on vehicles
other then vehicles i never really get hit hard by any class, besides current ret
sharp meteor
ya cos nobody puts anything important into the tank
who basically just stands there being annoying
random fractal
i like being annoying in every source of pvp content available, kill people in the most disrespectful ways sometimes kek
sharp meteor
ya u do sound like the avg tank player
mild thunder
i like being annoying in every source of pvp content available, kill people in t...
Jee, I wonder why no one respects tank players
Tank mains are just negative skill turds that think they’re gods because they can be livelords
copper hare
double ret dmg is still unhealable
xd
nothing changed
except for living one hoj now
mild thunder
The top end of their burst was nerfed, that’s about it
copper hare
instead of none
spice hornet
Yeah dam is still strong and they’re still queueing everywhere
spice hornet
can someone pro make me a macro please i need help with ret
something like this plz
/castsequence reset=20 Kidney shot, Garrote, Rupture, Blood Fury, Shiv, Vendetta, Sepsis, Vanish, Fan of Knives, Envenom, Multilate, Envenom
but i need one for ret plz n ty
Wrong disc
lone gulch
green anchor
Frost DK, BM Hunter and Warlock nerfs next reset
green anchor
So yesterday's ret nerf barely did anything?
sharp meteor
They went from broken bugged tier levels of power
to just very high or extreme levels
green anchor
I want to start playing again next reset... hopefully they'll squeeze another nerf in by then
green anchor
(underpaid) 3rd party Quality assurance department I swear
copper hare
So yesterday's ret nerf barely did anything?
They are still the best spec by far
but instead of being in the next expansion
they are only 2 contents ahead
sharp meteor
ya saw their numbers and only did some chill alt 3s to get caught up
figured they'd get nuked way sooner than they did
modern veldt
just a random out there question but, did they nerf or add the dampening affect from arenas into bgs or is it just a feature? or am i just missing something?
low pasture
Dampening is rated Arena only
bleak quarry
lean burrow
just a random out there question but, did they nerf or add the dampening affect ...
ms effects on you
dark sparrow
I hate blizzard so much lol.... the reason everyone is on pali is because ITS FUN. The game is DEAD and STALE and BORING as ^&*!. Make other classes fun dude like you just were able to do with ret. Don't destroy ret. And at least give till tuesday.
#MakeOtherClassesFun #StopTheNerf
copper hare
What do you mean destroy
Nerfs already live and they are still the best spec by a mile xd
mild thunder
What do you mean destroy
its a wowhead comment
dark sparrow
Yea wowhead responders are a different breed but funny af to go through
wheat jay
At least blizz didnt reintroduce auto bubble xD
fickle forge
Yet
near delta
I hate blizzard so much lol.... the reason everyone is on pali is because ITS FU...
Every healer would instantly quit if they made every dps as strong as ret lol
near delta
So yesterday's ret nerf barely did anything?
They're pretty beatable now, but you can still get domed out of nowhere
rancid heath
are ret still op post nerf??
near delta
are ret still op post nerf??
Yea lol
rancid heath
i dont understand ret discord says theyre balanced now 🙄😂😂
rancid heath
true lmao
scarlet flame
is that the same as hunters getting pvp buffs even though they never used the bow in the first place
rotund trellis
aaaaaand 1-5 I still suck hard
lost a weeks progress with that one lol
Should I do well in a lobby vs disc/rogue/ret? they annihilated me every time and I was always the target, perma stunned and dead in few seconds, or after an agonizing long time of trying to stay alive
I tried to use my dark iron racial the best i could but I was constantly stunned and couldnt keep up. I mean I know I am prob the owrst pvp player out there, but what should I do in that situation? I was always out of cds
ruby temple
who was the other dps cassetto?
near delta
lost a weeks progress with that one lol
Can't think about it like that
Once you start doing the right stuff you'll just climb without really trying so the important part is figuring out what you need to do better
rotund trellis
who was the other dps cassetto?
MM hunter
near delta
That's actually a pretty brutal lobby lol
What pvp talents did you take most of the time?
rotund trellis
sharpen, the charge one and disarm
near delta
Banner is really good vs that
I think take it over warbringer
Just cause if you can stop their first go it really helps with momentum
earnest zodiac
I thought about banner but I needed disarm for rogue
You can easily do both
rotund trellis
I see
near delta
Haha that's fair
Okay final thing to look at is how was your damage compared to theirs on details?
Especially at that rating just pveing as much damage as possible make you climb insta basically
rotund trellis
it was decent, I mean not at rogue levels but still decent
hunter went 5-1, conviced everyone to go for me and got the wins
I mean that is 99% of SS success, convincing people not to attack you
near delta
Yeah you should be out damaging him for sure. What tends to happen is you get stressed out when they go you and try to play defensively
scarlet flame
i know its probably a dumb question but were you in d stance at all or did you just sit in pbattle
near delta
Good question lol
scarlet flame
if you're getting trained that hard you probably dont want to sit in battle if you are
rotund trellis
i know its probably a dumb question but were you in d stance at all or did you j...
Dstance most of the time sadly,
I was consantly under 30% health
unless for small bursts on avatar
scarlet flame
ignore pain on cd? did you use impending too?
lean burrow
this mog has less pixels than the thrown axe used by "Heroic Throw"
rotund trellis
lol
azure willow
idk if its me but solo are rough today
sage raptor
Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution Paladin]. All this talk that we are “busted” and “constantly complaining for more buffs” just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do “good” damage. Not only do we have to keep our Holy Power in check , we ALSO have to make sure our Final Reckoning AND our Wake of Ashes is in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if you guys move at all. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shamans don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Ret [Retribution Paladin] is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Ret [Retribution Paladin], I’m never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Ret [Retribution Paladin] because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.
near delta
Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution P...
Lmao
teal hedge
I think one issue I have is that I play arms like it's fury
I spam da buttons on da cooldown
fossil mortar
Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution P...
Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution Paladin]. All this talk that we are “busted” and “constantly complaining for more buffs” just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do “good” damage. Not only do we have to keep our Holy Power in check , we ALSO have to make sure our Final Reckoning AND our Wake of Ashes is in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if you guys move at all. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shamans don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Ret [Retribution Paladin] is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Ret [Retribution Paladin], I’m never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Ret [Retribution Paladin] because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.
viral haven
Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution Paladin]. All this talk that we are “busted” and “constantly complaining for more buffs” just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do “good” damage. Not only do we have to keep our Holy Power in check , we ALSO have to make sure our Final Reckoning AND our Wake of Ashes is in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if you guys move at all. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shamans don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Ret [Retribution Paladin] is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Ret [Retribution Paladin], I’m never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Ret [Retribution Paladin] because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.
scarlet flame
Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution Paladin]. All this talk that we are “busted” and “constantly complaining for more buffs” just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do “good” damage. Not only do we have to keep our Holy Power in check , we ALSO have to make sure our Final Reckoning AND our Wake of Ashes is in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if you guys move at all. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shamans don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Ret [Retribution Paladin] is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Ret [Retribution Paladin], I’m never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Ret [Retribution Paladin] because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds
teal hedge
This chat is losing their collective minds
little lava
Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution Paladin]. All this talk that we are “busted” and “constantly complaining for more buffs” just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do “good” damage. Not only do we have to keep our Holy Power in check , we ALSO have to make sure our Final Reckoning AND our Wake of Ashes is in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if you guys move at all. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shamans don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Ret [Retribution Paladin] is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Ret [Retribution Paladin], I’m never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Ret [Retribution Paladin] because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.
quick carbon
sharpen every time
disarm if ur fighting melee
banner if ur fighting cc heavycomps
warbringer nice too
viral haven
ty :))
scarlet flame
got nerfed last night
river trench
how has fury been doing as of late?
teal hedge
How do I play bleed-arms?
Considering I am level 68 and my build almost is finished
pale minnow
anyone tried the Onyx Annulet in pvp yet?
spice hornet
When you intervene your partner who is getting domed by 2 rets and you end up nearly getting your head blown off
random fractal
i intervened a monk touch of death and fucking died instantly
lmfao
like 90% to 0 in a second
little lava
When you intervene your partner who is getting domed by 2 rets and you end up ne...
when u see 2 rets and u intervene, u should parry
and reflect
teal hedge
I keep missing impending victory cc and dying
modern pilot
yo what decides where the unhinged ms go?
teal hedge
Arena is so much easier for arms
Holy fucking shit
Paladins
They hit you with one stun and you lose
They have not been nerfed at all
teal hedge
I spawm ignore pain, I spam parry and I spam disarm
They cut through me like butter
They kill me through one stun
One stun and I'm done, and I can't get out of it
hazy isle
yea doubt
teal hedge
Bet
hazy isle
learn to use ur defensives better and stop "spamming" them
teal hedge
(I am in level 61-69)
Okay.
Let's say I do not spam disarm: the paladin stuns me for six seconds, pops wings and kills me.
If I do not pop ignore and vic I die instantly.
hazy isle
(I am in level 61-69)
teal hedge
Well yeah, I got dragonflight like three days ago
hazy isle
buddy just play the game and take it easy
teal hedge
It's what I'm trying to do :P
But then the hand of god decides I've existed for too long
I beat every other class than paladin
Maybe it's my build? I sent it earlier
near delta
You're basically never going to win a double DPS game
teal hedge
Maybe if I hit them with the intimidating shout?
We won a game against a pally because I rushed their clueless hunter whilst rogue sapped pally
main sierra
LF war to play ret/disc/you 1.5cr looking to push
teal hedge
But yeah, are there any good guides for arms?
I sorta have no idea what I'm doing
I hit em wit da funnies but I die 😔
near delta
You really need a healer to arms well
teal hedge
Also, are there any macros for targeting? I keep targeting mobs and the likes when I want to target the enemy.
near delta
This is a bit old but should be a good overview https://youtu.be/sTwYOEv9TGo
near delta
Also, are there any macros for targeting? I keep targeting mobs and the likes wh...
Keybind arena 1, 2, 3 if you have room
Or you can set tab to only target players
teal hedge
Keybind arena 1, 2, 3 if you have room
💀
But yeah, this is my first time doing pvp
And I picked warrior becasue I wanted the funny zugzug big number
lean burrow
don't put disarm, IP, dbts and fear on number keys
teal hedge
Why not?`They're very accessible that way
lean burrow
hamstring is more deserving of a good keybind like that
teal hedge
True
lean burrow
ok, the more I look at it
teal hedge
And execute?
teal hedge
How so?
lean burrow
I put rotation buttons on 1-5, Q and E seems fried honestly
teal hedge
They're very accessible
teal hedge
Yeah, I end up not using it as much as I should
lean burrow
doing weird combinations for basic moves
teal hedge
Mental gymnastics
I end up fumbling le kill when under pressure
But you're right, my binds need work
What would you suggest I do? I prefer having rotation on Q-E-R-F
I also struggle kiting whilst trying to execute
lean burrow
I use hamstring C, stun V, s-T disarm, T roar or spear, avatar G, heal F
just the more important stuff on single button press
teal hedge
True
lean burrow
less important on combination
teal hedge
But isn't IP important?
I rely on it solely for survival
Whilst I wait for the 25 sec cooldown of vic
lean burrow
you could use Z, X, C, V, G. Y
teal hedge
I don't really know what I'
m supposed to press though
Other than rotation
Which is colossus, overpower and funny mortal strike
mild thunder
tf is this build
teal hedge
It's level 68!
mild thunder
its low lvl bgs, just run an m+ build to pad dmg
lean burrow
ms, op, rend/slam (same bind), avatar, roar, cs should be on simple keys
so you can quickly press all of them
teal hedge
I bind T to movement for habit
mild thunder
currently you press ctrl-2, R, shift-F, Q for your opener
idk how people even arrive at these binds lmao
teal hedge
idk how people even arrive at these binds lmao
Funny spazzing of the fingers
I got an idea
Ctrl+3 or T are my usual movement-keys
Just like shift+3 always is kick
Habit
teal hedge
Also isn't my opener just running into someone and hitting them with Howl and hamstring?
lean burrow
Wait, does my opener involve a RAW mortal strike?
that's your main button
teal hedge
Yeah, but I never use it unless I have 2x overpower and colossus online
lean burrow
mortal strike > exec > op
teal hedge
Sir yes sir oorah
quick carbon
thats how warrior works
ur op lights up
hit it
ur ms lights up
hit it
ur executee lights up
hit it
teal hedge
Zug-zug time
No idea how I keep hitting third top dps tbh
And is bladestorm a finisher?
quick carbon
Yeah, but I never use it unless I have 2x overpower and colossus online
dont ever let me catch u doing this
ill murder you
and everyone who loves you
teal hedge
It's what I've used for leveling, I have literally never seen a guide
teal hedge
But I feel ms hits like a wet-noodle
teal hedge
We kiss
green anchor
I remember the one video where Swifty announces that he got perma banned from wow
he was so devastated looking
teal hedge
Yeah, but they're problematic in bgs
mild thunder
https://tenor.com/view/swify-swimming-wow-swifty-swimming-world-of-warcraft-john...
better times 
mild thunder
u still focus him or no
probs no, they have double wall every 1 min
and all their immunities to cycle through
little lava
mild thunder
TRU
green anchor
the audacity
woeful solstice
ran a few diff comps today
ret is still strong but ive managed to play around it
tacit basin
Would yall say warr is hard to pickup for pvp? Im a broken down enhance main looking for a fun alt 😭
teal hedge
I am actually slaying so hard
teal hedge
Would yall say warr is hard to pickup for pvp? Im a broken down enhance main loo...
Arms is pretty difficult, but rewarding
near delta
What pvp talent do yall drop if you need disarm?
Depends on the matchup
Usually warbringer is a good one to drop yeah
elfin surge
wtf bobby
teal hedge
2 for leap?
limber relic
wtf is this actionar
limber relic
i think i win for weirdest keybinds ever
teal hedge
Is skullsplitter any good?
limber relic
near delta
You should like organize that a bit
elfin surge
elfin surge
heroic strike does more damage than slam
near delta
heroic strike does more damage than slam
little lava
is disarm op agaisnt ret now?
teal hedge
It stops t hem a little
little lava
can he use wake of ashes while bein disarmed
lean burrow
I think they can't now? can't remember
they changed FV so maybe they changed wake too
mild thunder
cleanest arms ui
mild thunder
Arms is pretty difficult, but rewarding
arms is like the second easiest spec in pvp
teal hedge
Really?
little lava
hardest is fury
spice hornet
Any helpful macros for learning arms?
teal hedge
a month later I realized I'm not using F for anything
Rend?
mystic prairie
I have everything already bound
except slam
and F button is unused for some reason
mild thunder
do bleeds go through absorb walls??
teal hedge
Use it for something high priority
teal hedge
do bleeds go through absorb walls??
I don't think so?
Tried roaring at a pally, saw no DOT
mystic prairie
I have an FPS mouse so no extra buttons but my keybinds seem decently comfortable, dunno how I managed to skip F
teal hedge
I use q e r f t for core gamin
You people have actually made me figure this spec out
wheat jay
Huh
wheat jay
I know right
mild thunder
Agreed
wheat jay
Glad we could come to an agreement
mild thunder
Chads agree 
little lava
just played solo shuffle
bm hunter, ret, assa, evo and fistweaver
got 60 rat
rat won 2 i think
ret*
rat suits well too
lets go
wheat jay
Use defensives, have good healer
And the best one
Hit others so hard they have to run away from you
lean burrow
giga rank1 of hell
unborn sonnet
are ret nerfs already live?
mild thunder
yes
unborn sonnet
thank you :)
cobalt delta
sup, just leveled a warrior, is there any faq for arms pvp?
near delta
sup, just leveled a warrior, is there any faq for arms pvp?
Check the pins
cobalt delta
already did, need some basic stuff
mild thunder
like what
near delta
burst/rotation/do i use slam, ww ever/ useful macros
You never use slam now
Ww is situationally useful to get people out of stealth
cobalt delta
piercing does that too i assume, oh and i see no changes for 0.7 so talent builds are the same, as i see there are many, so just choose 1
do i macro ignore pain to abilities or better to manually click
near delta
Yeah we got absolutely no changes in 0.7 except a small nerf to fatality that only really affects 2s
mild thunder
do i macro ignore pain to abilities or better to manually click
yes
near delta
do i macro ignore pain to abilities or better to manually click
Wayyy better to manually click lol
There's an old meme around here
Anyone got bis macro?
near delta
You just press it on cd anyway
mild thunder
bis macro
cobalt delta
copy pasted ty
near delta
Really shouldn't haha but you do you
mild thunder
bajheera used it so it must be good
near delta
mild thunder
(memeing)
near delta
Burst rotation is super simple you bolt somebody warbreaker then then hit them with ms
If they're stacked use sweep before
cobalt delta
do i try 2x op before for bigger ms?
near delta
You can but really not necessary
cobalt delta
or just breaker>go
near delta
Can be nice with unhinged
Since it cleaves the op buffed ms
Just need to feel it out
near delta
You wanna sweep before the warbreaker
cobalt delta
ye ye ik
near delta
If you're using torment you want to wb into avatar
Yea
It's off the gcd so you can't get disarmed
cobalt delta
oh and thunderous roar gets amplified by wb/avatar?
near delta
Yeah but if you're playing into a disarm it's better to just roar into warbreaker a lot of times
cobalt delta
hmm makes sense
near delta
As far as macros the one mud has pinned is prob good
cobalt delta
sharpen is also i suppose is situational, not when to pick it, but when to use it
near delta
I haven't tested it
You can use it right before you warbreaker for more pressure
Or right as a healer is coming out of cc to apply more pressure
cobalt delta
ye for sure, if im warbreaking im doing a go so makes sense, always pair the two
aand what about rend
near delta
Rend is just a rage dump p much
mild thunder
mandatory to upkeep? how many targets? 😄
depends on the build
bottom of pins has a rend maintenance guide
near delta
Yea that too
Oh yeah no one ever answered does intimidating shout with menace break tranq bubble?
Feel like it has to. Need to find a druid to test it
mild thunder
yes
near delta
Noice
mild thunder
but you have to hit someone next to them, not the rdruid
near delta
Yeah ofc