that's just not true
#pvp
quick carbon
hmmm i dont hit ops that hard
mild thunder
sounds like you just dont know how to press your buttons
quick carbon
based response
quick carbon
im executing/msing plate targets for 100k rn tho
both do
sim dam
execute is fine i decree it
mild thunder
not saying execute is weak, but it definitely shouldnt do the same dmg as ms, it's just a design flaw from the fact that exe damage has been spread across so many talents this xpac
fatality helps a lot
quick carbon
im testing it rn
mild thunder
i've tested it like a dozen times before
mild thunder
you can look at the raw numbers on the pvp dummy
quick carbon
but these r a set of numbers from hitting fully geared player
mild thunder
i cbf logging on to check numbers, but i don't think any numbers have changed since i last looked at it
mild thunder
sure, you can literally just go get in combat and take up 1x op stack
and you'll see that ms overtakes exe
and none of this is even getting into one of execute's major problems - the condemn animation
it feels genuinely horrible to use
mild thunder
i will hopefully be in a smite game enjoying not pvping with 200ms all the time
mild thunder
what kind of ms?
quick carbon
varying from double op sharpen to single op
mild thunder
aight starting a smite game, will talk later
torpid roost
SMOOT?
quick carbon
cuz hes just insane
mild thunder
that's very common
lucid walrus
had a guy who was 576 or something in a 2.4 lobby
mild thunder
yea it happens all the time on alts
thats what i did on fury - got 2400 on arms, then only got 2400 lobbies as fury
super fun if you're the low cr person because you win 1 round and get like 200 rating
quick carbon
6-0 completed pog
average execute hit harder than the average ms
pog pog pog
max ms did hit harder than max execute tho
@mild thunder u rite i hit 82k overpower
broken spec
near delta
I hate the condemn animation
Just don't take improved execute. Ez
quick carbon
tru
mild thunder
<@589020053748449300> u rite i hit 82k overpower
it's stupid
sharp meteor
hint 1k cr at 2.1k mmr?
I mean that's how it goes when you go 6-0 on placement.
Or rather like 5-1 into 4-2 or w/e.
quick carbon
it's stupid
execute superior to ms confirmed
mild thunder
is it within 10k?
mild thunder
i dont think avg dmg is really the best way to measure it, but even by that i stand by my original point - exe should feel significantly better than ms, not slightly better
it should feel like "i have this guy sub 35/20 hp, im gonna end him"
quick carbon
u cant expect to just win the game if someones at 35%
execute shouldnt just kill u instantly
thats cheese
mild thunder
it doesnt need to literally end the game, it needs to feel like it
classes should be scared to drop that low against arms
mild thunder
im also the most consistent person on saying that arms damage overall should be nerfed
and if they paired that with a slightly more dangerous exe profile, i'd be even happier
quick carbon
but how hard should execute be hitting for tho
i think 110k peak executes
r more than fine
mild thunder
based on our damage profile rn, 110k is fine
but our dmg profile is bland and boring
mild thunder
that was what i said from the beginning
quick carbon
than what ppl were saying lasst night
"EXECUTE SUCKS ASS"
ya ill have that convo with u
mild thunder
dude i literally said they were dumb and that's why i brought it up today
because they were making me sound retarded as fuck
and that's why i shut up 
mild thunder
but they'd have to gut or remove sks
mild thunder
yea the infinite ms resetting is not something i love
mild thunder
shift op dmg to rend, remove battlelord and bring back enduring blow maybe
it was also kinda boring, but it's a close-dmg replacement
make storm of swords affect slam
mild thunder
the first thing they actually have to do if they want to fix arms
is gut our rage gen
there's so. much. rage
even in pve they struggle to dump it all
rotund trellis
4-2 getting better
quick carbon
new evidence of execute being broken (from 3k mmr shuffles)
nerf execute
nerf nerf nerf
mild thunder
190k execute is sus
torpid roost
that's what you get for waddling into battle in enchanted toilet paper for armor
simple rock
anyone know if conquest boxes are out in 10.0.7? didn't see it in the patch notes
so probably a week or two after Tuesday
indigo barn
Who'd ya smack?
spring python
Is there a macro that can swap you out of one stance and into another, so if I'm in battle, and I press it, it puts me in defense, then I press again and swaps me back to battle
Trying to limit clutter if possible
quick carbon
yes
wheat jay
Pins
lone gulch
Should i go for more haste with spear build?
scarlet flame
nah you want as much crit and vers as you can get for spear
mild thunder
Should i go for more haste with spear build?
stats are absolutely, entirely preference and don't let anyone make you think differently
lone gulch
Fair enough, do you thinkg spear is better than roar or should i switch according to specs im fighting?
scarlet flame
both builds work
mild thunder
there is no perfect %distribution, you're not chasing the highest dps stats, etc etc
mild thunder
most people now run crit/haste mixes with a minmum of 10-20% haste
lone gulch
I just feel like spear is bad against pet based specs
Yeaah, i got some haste items so i can switch out for roar build
Seems to work well with more haste than crit
At least feels better for me with more haste
Oh and btw, this weeks que are really bad, anyone else just sitting for like 35 min + and nothing?
For solo shuffle
quick carbon
I just feel like spear is bad against pet based specs
Spear is fine against everything
except like dk
and disc priest
quick carbon
most people now run crit/haste mixes with a minmum of 10-20% haste
Those people are pussies
Real ones are giga crit
mild thunder
Those people are pussies
running low haste feels genuinely horrible
real chads dont need crit
through the sheer will of their chadness, they crit anyway
mild thunder
americans
quick carbon
I genuinely never go haste
mild thunder
i always go a split
lean burrow
what's the point of crit when hunters and locks just counter you?
mild thunder
<10% haste always sucks
quick carbon
what's the point of crit when hunters and locks just counter you?
Tell your Druid to decurse u idk
That’s like saying
What’s the point of haste cuz frost dks can play the anti haste talent
lean burrow
haste is stupidly overpowered, literally every spec wants haste as best stat
mild thunder
what's the point of going crit when reck gives me 20% anyway
quick carbon
SO U CAN GET OVER 50% IN CDS
mild thunder
What’s the point of haste cuz frost dks can play the anti haste talent
frostdk doesnt exist, hunter and lock do
lean burrow
i wish other stats mattered more, but crit is getting further nerfed
mild thunder
i wish other stats mattered more, but crit is getting further nerfed
there's no room for stats to matter because vers takes up like 70% of our stat budget on gear
quick carbon
and I promise u I still crit warlocks for very big numbers
mild thunder
there's very, very little room to actually play with stats
quick carbon
I like critting people for 100k consistently it’s what warrior is meant to do
lean burrow
if you have 30% crit and hunter uses petsac, that's 30% wall for hunter
if you have 30% haste that's 0% wall
mild thunder
swapping?
quick carbon
and if it’s bm hunter u shouldn’t even be hitting him
lone gulch
So the point is, if i play against range i go haste and bleed build
quick carbon
no
mild thunder
yes
lean burrow
unless it's lock
quick carbon
even vs warlock I play spear a lot
lean burrow
who gives gate to his partner and partner flies away
mild thunder
there really just isn't a "always do X against Y" setup
mild thunder
play around with them
see what works
because everything everyone says here is just based on their experience
lone gulch
From what i've played, if im against casters i always end up better with bleed build, with spear i jsut hug the damn pillair the whole damn time and cant move
mild thunder
and half of us are retards and the other half are twats
quick carbon
U can rlly play any build against anything and be fine because warrior is warrior
but me personally if I’m fighting melee I’m roar if I’m fighting double wizard I’m spear
lean burrow
ask mud 
lone gulch
Faair enough, i got best results with spear against melee and bleed against raanged
lone gulch
ask mud <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Think he said on his stream to just play speaar
quick carbon
I think spear against melee is horrible
mild thunder
spear against melee feels like a waste imo
quick carbon
roar just pads more
mild thunder
they're not running anyway
lone gulch
Like just speaar cuz it just takes half of everyone cds
mild thunder
spear into caster/melee feels good
quick carbon
spears actually dogshit awful into disc
mild thunder
because you almost always get double spear
lean burrow
so play roar every game
mild thunder
spear into disc in 2s feels okay, because you just send spear with nothing onto the priest and then insta-swap
but 2s is for nerds
lucid walrus
been seeing a lot of mw
quick carbon
spear owns vs mw
lone gulch
Guess i gotta socket my haster gear now xd
mild thunder
every time i see mw they get dumpstered
lucid walrus
a peculiar amount in any other season tbh
lean burrow
spear is just insta trade for dome
what if priest doesn't trade dome without warbreaker?
quick carbon
So i should use more bleed build xD
don’t feel pressured into one specific build
lone gulch
I love spear into fistweave
quick carbon
both builds are fine for the most part
mild thunder
all 3 builds if you count sks 
lucid walrus
even with wrecking and demo i feel like i don't do shit to cocoon ngl
quick carbon
what if priest doesn't trade dome without warbreaker?
I mean ur usually spearing with warbreaker so
lone gulch
Yeah its jsut i use spear mostly against mages
lean burrow
I mean ur usually spearing with warbreaker so
you said to instantly swap off priest so I thought you hold wb
quick carbon
no
quick carbon
I never play spear into priest
scarlet flame
wouldn't wb be more damage than spear
mild thunder
8sec duration
quick carbon
cuz of some
mild thunder
you said to instantly swap off priest so I thought you hold wb
that was me
hot solstice
Disc barrier will be 3 min all time 10.1
quick carbon
Congrats
lean burrow
that was me
oh 
lucid walrus
wouldn't wb be more damage than spear
difference is WB is back in like 30 seconds
quick carbon
ya ur biggest damage amp is warbreaker and it’s up way sooner
lone gulch
Meh ill just play around and see whaat works for me, mostly i like bleed builds cuz i like pad classes
quick carbon
using ur long cds to bait is horrible imo
scarlet flame
do people at meaningful cr actually use shit like dome for wb tho
quick carbon
depends on the situation
scarlet flame
ive had like ps used
lucid walrus
by itself, fuck no tbh
scarlet flame
yeah ofc pvp isn't static
quick carbon
if ur qing some giga cleave
and u warbreaker storm and doing 80k dps
He could dome
Maybe
Just depends how much damage his team is taking
lone gulch
and u warbreaker storm and doing 80k dps
And that is why i like spear xd
quick carbon
ya spears good
I’m more of a single target spearer myself
if I get doubles that’s nice tho
lone gulch
Oh there is nothing that i love more than triple spear
Happened to me a few times
Good feels
quick carbon
I q into mage lock and don’t even try for double spears
I’ll just spear one person do 50k dps st
lone gulch
I just hate frost mages
Me being a stupid arms warrior with no movement kinda gets hard tbh
lone gulch
Yep
lone gulch
I dont think that
quick carbon
it’s actually retarded how mobile we are
scarlet flame
why is it retarded
scarlet flame
i can't get behind that
if warrior ever felt like dk or ret paladin id quit playing
lone gulch
I just waant the necrolord ability back from sl
quick carbon
warriors shouldn’t be keeping up with wind walkers and demon hunters tho lmao
quick carbon
if warrior ever felt like dk or ret paladin id quit playing
Warrior has never felt like that
mild thunder
double time should be choice node with stormbolt
double time should be a choice node with 12sec charge OR charge stun
storm bolt should be a choice node with good shockwave
quick carbon
it just used to have double time OR stormbolt
scarlet flame
i didnt say that
quick carbon
And it was fine
quick carbon
double time should be a choice node with 12sec charge OR charge stun
storm bolt ...
double time shouldn’t exist tbh
mild thunder
heroic leap should be 45sec
quick carbon
like we as a community have to acknowledge
lone gulch
Yeah i would never catch a frost mage that way
quick carbon
When warrior is getting
lucid walrus
feels really easy to squander charges now
quick carbon
Oppressive
scarlet flame
im fine with them being oppressive
quick carbon
and right now warrior is leaning into the oppressive direction
mild thunder
When warrior is getting
to be fair, this isn't a warrior issue, it's an issue with the new talent trees as a whole
quick carbon
yeah that’s fair
scarlet flame
hunters mages locks all feel oppressive to play against
mild thunder
opportunity cost as a concept has been thrown out the window
scarlet flame
rogues
mild thunder
mages all get ring, db, displacement, double frost nova, knockbacks etc
rogues get all their stuff
quick carbon
we want casters to cast and not kill us with instant damage from 40 yards but only frost mage can get away from warriors right now
lucid walrus
the problem with wow balancing attempting to tackle some kind of rock paper scissors formula is that all classes aren't equivalent
muted surge
The warrior mobility is so insane
lucid walrus
you've got some specs that counter shit tier/nonexistent ones for instance
muted surge
It needs nerfs
quick carbon
hunters mages locks all feel oppressive to play against
Warlocks don’t feel oppressive to fight as warrior
U literally smesh warlocks
Upon contact
scarlet flame
1v1 no
quick carbon
1v1 is meme
mild thunder
1v1 warrior loses to a garden gnome
muted surge
Who cares about 1v1 what
scarlet flame
yup and getting stomped by demos and destro when you have to target another class is not oppressive?
quick carbon
warrior is a warlocks worst nightmare right now
that’s how wizards always are that’s why they q double wizard
mild thunder
eh, idk about that
quick carbon
because being trained by melee as the only wizard is horrid
mild thunder
warr has lost a bit of its counter into lock over the years
scarlet flame
being the only melee into wizards is also horrid lol
mild thunder
we HARD counter sp tho
quick carbon
that’s just how it is
quick carbon
warr has lost a bit of its counter into lock over the years
I swear I just own warlocks when I tunnel them
I just kill them
Really hard
mild thunder
in soloQ?
quick carbon
in 3s too depending on what they’re playing
muted surge
I would too if I crit 200k with execute
scarlet flame
in soloq warlocks feels different from 3s lmao
quick carbon
like if I’m fighting a comp where I can tunnel the warlock
For free
I just own them
mild thunder
dont you also play WLX?
quick carbon
I try to haha
mild thunder
so you're probably getting significantly more freedom than the avg warrior queueing a melee cleave
quick carbon
When I q with warlocks I hear them complain about the other warrior facefucking him too lmao
melee cleaves as a whole just aren’t super good rn
scarlet flame
yeah they'll complain just like us when we gotta face double wizard lol
mild thunder
agreed, and part of that is because of how oppressive caster cleaves are into melee cleaves rn
quick carbon
Warrior caster x is absolutely insane tho
When I q any melee cleave
Into a warlock wizard cleave
is it annoying ya
but warlock can still get crushed
By warrior cleaves
Super super hard
mild thunder
can get crushed =/= warrior crushes warlock
quick carbon
I mean let’s think ab this
If u have uptime on a warlock
and u get to tunnel him
For free
scarlet flame
if i have uptime on anyone they die
quick carbon
ur going to destroy him
scarlet flame
thats not the point
mild thunder
lock caster cleaves are also infinitely less annoying than something like rogue/lock
scarlet flame
if you get uptime on a mage they fall over faster than warlocks
quick carbon
That’s cuz rogues can peel for locks rlly well
mild thunder
If u have uptime on a warlock
a good caster cleave also isn't letting you get free uptime like that
quick carbon
Hitting warlocks is infinitely easier than hitting a mage
mild thunder
or they're forcing you to split to stop both casters' dmg
scarlet flame
but its about uptime
quick carbon
a good caster cleave also isn't letting you get free uptime like that
Ya I know that’s why they q caster cleaves
scarlet flame
if you get uptime for free the mage dies instantly
quick carbon
To protect the weakness of the warlock
quick carbon
if you get uptime for free the mage dies instantly
you’ll have omega uptime into warlock
mild thunder
now you're contradicting yourself
quick carbon
Frost mage is a diff story
mild thunder
it's not even about the mage peeling, you cant just ignore frost mage
scarlet flame
yeah but like thats the point of comps right
quick carbon
it's not even about the mage peeling, you cant just ignore frost mage
Ya against mage lock id go mage
cursive pike
any fury warriors teach me how to play
scarlet flame
to cover weaknesses and play to strengths
mild thunder
so you admit that lock comps dont get dumpstered by warrior rn?
quick carbon
I didn’t mean the comp level I mean on an individual level in a vacuum, warrior is a warlocks worst nightmare
scarlet flame
ig the important question is do you think the only way for a melee cleave comp to beat casters is by heavily outplaying them
mild thunder
I didn’t mean the comp level I mean on an individual level in a vacuum, warrior ...
yea idgaf about that tho
quick carbon
depends on the cleave
u can q dhdk and roll over casters cuz dhdk
and turn ur brain off
Lmao
scarlet flame
in general rn do you think caster cleaves are better into melee cleaves than vis versa
quick carbon
yes
mild thunder
melee cleaves are mostly absolute swampass now
quick carbon
but warrior lock warrior ele warrior sp can absolutely crush mage lock
scarlet flame
so you dont think melee cleaves should almost always auto lose into casters cleaves
quick carbon
not rlly always lose
depends on the cleave lmao
depends on map
Too
And healer choices
scarlet flame
my point is there should be like 60-40 right
they have it easier to play vs you but you still can win without a massive mistake/outplay
rn from my experience melee cleave into caster cleave is only winable by them fucking up completely
to be fair i've only done turbo and tsg tho
scarlet flame
its pretty good
honestly i think its slept on
they are omega fucking squishy tho
scarlet flame
yeah i think its really good but they can die super easily
mild thunder
too drunk off the latest supatease tier list to use their rusted brain
scarlet flame
tier lists so bait
mild thunder
i honestly dont know how anyone watches those kinds of content creators
lucid walrus
the entirety of SL meta development is evidence that tier lists are bullshit
mild thunder
they're the most dull, uninteresting, braindead people on the planet
scarlet flame
i like supas videos of like shuffles and montage ones
i dont really watch them for their opinion content tho
mild thunder
id rather watch a 5 hour asmongold stream than listen to supatease read through tuning notes
(i hate myself)
quick carbon
Turbo actually owns rn
lucid walrus
the entirety of SL meta development is evidence that tier lists are bullshit
people just figure out new ways to play by switching some things around and all of a sudden the spec performs in a vastly different way
scarlet flame
Turbo actually owns rn
yeah i played like 30 games of tubo and lost 2 or 3
turbo was really really fun LOL
i understand why people hate playing against it tho
mild thunder
the only thing that feels lame about turbo is the lack of stuns
and how immobile enh can be
kitty cleave feels way more dynamic and fast-paced
scarlet flame
their off healing is so good
mild thunder
and plays a lot more freely
lucid walrus
lasso on enh is such a meme
mild thunder
kitty cleave is super fun but kinda dogshit
no self-respecting feral is running kitty over jungle
scarlet flame
gotta find the ones with no self respect then
lucid walrus
you’ll usually find them stuck in months-long CR ruts by the roadside
scarlet flame
cursive pike
whos a good fury warrior to watch
mild thunder
dekel
quick carbon
whenever any good warriors spec fury idk
elfin surge
upper sage
what addons to track enemy CDs and DRs?
fickle forge
Heard Mud's a clown
quick carbon
I heard mud slays cooch tho
undone pumice
heard he is sub 2pl8 bench
scarlet flame
whoever can do more pushups with just their dick is who i will follow
steel trout
fickle forge
Mud can't even pushup his own conq banner
scarlet flame
tough i now worship mag
fickle forge
Dekel > @elfin surge
mild thunder
Dekel > <@269709440146604032>
real + based + true + factual
demonic gladiator dekel 
unchained gladiator mud 🤓
quick carbon
They should bring back
Rend doing damage
And nerf overpower
Lets rlly behind this
elfin surge
bruh
fickle forge
@unborn egretbri
elfin surge
wtf
mild thunder
They should bring Dekel back to Skyhold
seconded
quick carbon
mud spelled backwards is dum lmao owned bodied
scarlet flame
mild thunder
dekel is such a gigachad that he doesnt even play retail anymore
fickle forge
And then 1 more time in Gurubashi
mild thunder
he already knows he's better than everyone on retail
elfin surge
fickle forge
#FreeBabyDoll
mild thunder
scarlet flame
wtf am i looking at LOL
mild thunder
dude what is this rabbit hole
warped warren
HAHAHA what is this
scarlet barn
career duelists?
fickle forge
Now imagine how far she'd get with Kevin
scarlet barn
we all need Kevin in our lives
full quiver
I hope dekel plays d4 he'd probably be the best barbarian ever
indigo barn
How to S2 in one easy step
grand scaffold
prob gonna take rend off
warped warren
kevin, blaaadlaaast
green anchor
Ele shaman melts anyone
undone pumice
Don't speak till you've dueled Dekel in front of Stormwind
what about orgrimmar
fickle forge
what about orgrimmar
Must be Stormwind
near delta
Wat?
radiant hamlet
can we play on PTR if our account is suspended?
warriors are toxic so i probably would get an answer here
radiant hamlet
i told a few kids in solo q that their iq is lower than room temperature
idk it didnt sound too offensive
sage raptor
I told people to kill themselves and I haven't been banned yet
undone pumice
lol
rotund trellis
oh guys I have a treat for you, I recorded my miserable loss (at 1500 LOL me) and I'm uploading for review. I'm so bad I'm getting worse instead of progressing. I'm probably not salvagable, but wanted to have a laugh with you before i del my char.
like, can someone get any worse?
grand scaffold
dude
i saw one guy
with over 400 games played
at 200 cr
i saw 2 peope like that
rotund trellis
Haha well that's probably worse lol
steep pier
u go the bleed haste build in rbgs?
grand scaffold
u dont go spear ever
calm wraith
what would the arms rotation opener be for solo shuffle, charge collossus smash overpower overpower sharpen MS rend roar avatar? i realized my sharpen has been gettin eaten by my avatar bladestorm since bladestorm casts 2 MS
calm wraith
true
quaint snow
cs roar avatar
you use battlelords or blademasters?
calm wraith
go massacre
grand scaffold
you use battlelords or blademasters?
blademasters
its significantly better
you can stop warlords dmg
you cant stop blademasters dmg
calm wraith
fatality sounds fun
grand scaffold
fatality is nice
rotund trellis
idk how that cr is possible
I mean maybe quit a bunch of games? How much can you lose if you leave? -150?
calm wraith
grand scaffold
I mean maybe quit a bunch of games? How much can you lose if you leave? -150?
yeah
calm wraith
@grand scaffoldhows the shuffle talents lookin
grand scaffold
<@668086812140371978>hows the shuffle talents lookin
remove fueled by violence
get fatality
quaint snow
so after the avatar bladestorm you also just use the normal bladestorm right after for UBER dmg
grand scaffold
ive had more success with running wrecking throw and frothing berserker than 5% hp and barbaric training
but its perfectly fine to run both
grand scaffold
so after the avatar bladestorm you also just use the normal bladestorm right aft...
eh
i like doing that
but some people save bladestorm for next cs
i dont agree with it
but some people do that
calm wraith
steep pier
why no spear anymore?
calm wraith
prob cuz alot of things can get out of it
quaint snow
but some people save bladestorm for next cs
thanks, i just stalked your armory, gz to 2.8 - do you use a lot of haste gems and gear i see?!? full crit looks bad for roar or no??
calm wraith
i 2nd the question about the haste neck etc
grand scaffold
😄
calm wraith
seen people usinm it
quaint snow
think i have 11% haste, the gcds are so slow
grand scaffold
yeah
i dont enjoy it
spear just isnt as good
roar pumps
and dmg is typically unstoppable
quaint snow
very low rating spear is prob still good, since you can nearly obeshot
grand scaffold
i never run spear
i never get value out of it
may also have to do with 200ms
or 300ms on bad day
calm wraith
why dont u use the primary stat gem ndogo
calm wraith
oh lmao
grand scaffold
i dont know a 2nd good player
calm wraith
i dont know any sargeras crafters 
which would u use primary vers or primary haste
@grand scaffoldthanks for the help i sent u a present 🙂
grand scaffold
holy shit are you serious?
calm wraith
it is all good brother i am chilling
calm wraith
grand scaffold
i appreciate you man
lemme know if you need more help
😄
made my day a lot better
wheat jay
Ndogo selling coaching on discord?
calm wraith
hopefully that info will get me out of the 2160 bracket 
wheat jay
@grand scaffold please take it to #promotion
grand scaffold
😂
wheat jay
grand scaffold
hopefully that info will get me out of the 2160 bracket <:hopium:839076769280557...
you at 2160?
calm wraith
last 3 games were caster lobbies and i went 3-3 so i didnt lose but i gained like 14 rating lmao
2173 currently
wheat jay
Gotta roll good lobbies
calm wraith
real
wheat jay
Rng to 2400 with big crits
I once had a game where in the Opener i instakilled hunter xD
Cs spear unhinged bladestorm haha
grand scaffold
2173 currently
nice!
wheat jay
Man died a moment
grand scaffold
are you struggling vs caster cleaves?
calm wraith
pver goes for 2400 moment
eh kinda
its usually a healer issue looks liike
idk if im LoSing them i try not to lol
cant really stop poly's if im going for the ELE
prob need focus bolt/intervene macros and stuff
i play pretty boomer
grand scaffold
well when against elementals
they cc when they have some big ass dmg
so if they hex your healer
los the elemental till hex is over
steep pier
so for rbg u just maintain ur bleeds on as many targets as possible? and do u ever use whirlwind outside spinning flags?
grand scaffold
yea i need to pay attention to CC more
so against what comps are you struggling
calm wraith
that last game was like demo lock, fire mage, ele sham, disc priest mistweaver monk for an example
demo and fire didnt do good damage they basically just rotted me out till i had nothing left
grand scaffold
ok 3-3 in that lobby is quite reasonable
calm wraith
yea
its nice to learn tho
being the only melee in a caster lobby lmfao
makes u learn REAL quick
calm wraith
yea
grand scaffold
i hate that matchup
calm wraith
i got melee'd by pit lord for 40k 
that must have been los or something
no heals for a bit
well
1.6 seconds
lol
grand scaffold
pitlord is so stupid
when they talent into it
save parry for that
and fear tyrant
calm wraith
yea ive been fearing tyrants
calm wraith
yea lock is a close 2nd for me in most team based pvp situations
i hate hunters more lol
calm wraith
i dont duel alot but i assume mages are very annoying
kindred sedge
I would rather fight any caster over a hunter
wheat jay
Its okay, I hate you too
calm wraith
lmao
shut barn
i got melee'd by pit lord for 40k <a:winde:747967206184452176>
It was a pitlord who killed almighty Grom Hellscream
calm wraith
mystic prairie
spear is bis
source: am 3 weeks wow player using spear
i almost never miss it tho
dark sparrow
I mean @elfin surge swears by the way of the spear so it’s not like it’s unplayable
dark sparrow
Math checks out, started playing spear only and went from 2200 to 2521
mystic prairie
also, warlord is bis
double bladestorm = -450 rating
on an unrelated note, 2 players on the same team should not be allowed to take disarm
calm wraith
real
mystic prairie
I can feel the prot pal lobby inc
they need to either remove the possibility of having prot palas in place of healers, or not punish players for leaving such lobbies
dark sparrow
Ngl, haven’t had a prot lobby ever
prime fern
Where can I find some decent guides for PvP?
grand scaffold
maybe icyveins but guides often dont work as you might expect them to
wowhead is not great at all
prime fern
Icyveins seems too basic
grand scaffold
ok what info are you looking for
grand scaffold
it is all good brother i am chilling
bro you actually sent me 20k gold
thank you so much man
you dont know how much i appreciate it
prime fern
ok what info are you looking for
Well I haven't done PvP since shadowlands and not on a warrior
Been playing only PvE so far in the expansions but as things get stale starting the PvP now
grand scaffold
corn
prime fern
Currently have a shit ton of PvE gear and Honor gear and having a hard time what gear to use
undone pumice
Dog
grand scaffold
Currently have a shit ton of PvE gear and Honor gear and having a hard time what...
you wanna get equal crit and haste
and rest versatility
prime fern
How much to aim for each?
Also is there a way to know the stats of a PvP item inside Battleground/Arenas
mystic prairie
hit pvp dummy
prime fern
hit pvp dummy
Thanks, easier to compare items
prime fern
hit pvp dummy
But the stats of the items are not scaling?
near delta
<@423236093396385792>bri
@coarse glenin
fickle forge
@Murkk
sharp meteor
Bruin charges into master's call and gets kited for 30 seconds was my favorite episode
rapid shard
why do warriors hate paladins
sharp meteor
I feel like Paladins are usually just healerless warriors
craggy meteor
Anyone have any tips for giga bursty lobbies like WW, Ret, DK? I don't die, I just don't kill something quite as quickly as them and someone on my team just dies in the opener even if I use shout and disarm. I was just going 5-0 in a lobby like that and BARELY scrapped a win at the end by not using any peels on healer and using all of them on dps
sharp meteor
or somebody who lost a 1v1 once
near delta
Bruin charges into master's call and gets kited for 30 seconds was my favorite e...
LMAO was that when he went into the hunter discord to call them out?
steep pier
someone got a good rbg video with bleed build?
thick reef
LMAO
i mioss bruin as well
he was the goat of warriors
i remebmer 1 time he tried to gank me while i was afk and i ended up 2v1ing him and he started rage whispring me in my dms
steep pier
do u ever press rend when u have thunder clap in rbg?
calm wraith
wtf these random ass names
sorry brother i will change
undone pumice
do not change
calm wraith
undone pumice
calm wraith
bro you actually sent me 20k gold
😎
green anchor
do u ever press rend when u have thunder clap in rbg?
maybe if you wanna save 10 Rage lol
raw jolt
hey guys i just started pvping on my fury. is this a good build for bgs and 2s?
raw jolt
alright, ty 😄
grand scaffold
🙂
steep pier
so whats the burst rotation with thunderous roar in rbg?
cs -> roar -> avatar/bladestorm?
wanton sun
Just posted for arms: Fatality now stacks Fatal Mark up to a maximum of 8 times against enemy players (was 20). I don't think I've ever gotten it up to 20 stacks lol
high kindle
Just posted for arms: Fatality now stacks Fatal Mark up to a maximum of 8 times ...
not a fan of that change, fatality is already nerfed in pvp by 70%
wanton sun
I guess maybe you just don't talent it anymore? lol
wanton sun
xD
woeful solstice
Just posted for arms: Fatality now stacks Fatal Mark up to a maximum of 8 times ...
fuck
my arms/prot pala cheese comp is over
i must have crushed a blizzard employee with it
near delta
there are no better talents to pick
You could drop fatality for executioners precision when running thunderous roar/ unhinged
near delta
At least 8 marks still stings.
Fair
copper hare
another set of big demo/affli buffs
just about time they have 3 s tier specs
classic
woeful solstice
nah it doesnt
8 marks will still delete someone tbh
its a pointless change
usually 8ish marks is a guarantee kill lol
uneven turret
K
simple rock
over 8 marks you're playing some deep dampening 2s or you play prot pally/warr/rsham
woeful solstice
_>
green anchor
The incoming nerf to Sub rogue... is it a nerf to their burst?
spice hornet
Yes
green anchor
Very nice
rotund trellis
on my druid, this game lasted 8 seconds
casted 1 (ONE) spell
(tranquility)
The status of wow arena in 2023
wheat jay
Long game
wheat jay
Ohh ok ok
rotund trellis
playing a ranged class is teaching me a lot tho
I have more time to learn what other people are doing
mild thunder
You could drop fatality for executioners precision when running thunderous roar/...
literally no point changing talents
8 stacks is enough to delete, and more than 8 stacks in a real arena is super rare
mild thunder
and if you play with a prot pala you aren't a real arms warrior
that's very un-armsy behaviour
woeful solstice
and if you play with a prot pala you aren't a real arms warrior
mild thunder
so what, chakrams will hit for like 80-90k now?
mild thunder
that's pretty decent
wheat jay
I dont rly know how hard they hit at the moment
mild thunder
well ye kinda hard to judge
wheat jay
But ye theyre gonna be kinda good know
mild thunder
chakrams + explo will be pretty good burst
wheat jay
Bro i swear survi sleeper op
mild thunder
wheat jay
Sleeper op and with new 4set its gonna be throwing bomba left and right again
Trust me bro
OP
mild thunder
10.1 sv will be interesting
wheat jay
Ye
For m+ it will be big
And its 1s for every autoattack too
Since lunge got buffed
I dunno, it might be retarded haha
mild thunder
kinda hard to tell, but i can see getting the CD down to around ~10s in arena
5-6s during CA
m+ you can almost be perma-bombing during CA lmao
mild thunder
that'd be pretty nutty
wheat jay
Ye
mild thunder
if only cluster was still a thing
mild thunder
would've made a better capstone than eagle
wheat jay
Was best anti-cleave shit
wheat jay
Ye should have been mongoose
mild thunder
actually yea, isnt losing current tier kind of a big deal for sv?
it's pretty decent MB buff
wheat jay
Ye its decent
gentle horizon
https://gamerant.com/world-of-warcraft-player-achievement-9-years/?newsletter_popup=1 has an article written about my character, feels so surreal lol
sharp meteor
9 years for rep?
mild thunder
Now all I have to do is bring myself to play WoW again
quick carbon
stacking 15 on ppl is disgust tho
mild thunder
8 stacks is enough to kill and more than that is rare af anyway
quick carbon
listen u ever just train someone for 5 minutes man without ever swapping
it’s the warrior thing to do
I like to be rewarded for ignoring the arena and training one person
mild thunder
listen u ever just train someone for 5 minutes man without ever swapping
No
Literally never
quick carbon
then you’ve never had a vendetta against durotar warlocks
copper hare
Now all I have to do is bring myself to play WoW again
if you only play pvp
literally not worth it
pvp is hot garbage rn
mild thunder
I’ve been meaning to finish off my KSH, but cbf sitting Lfg
copper hare
having insane fun pushing r1 m+ this season, I'm done soon and I can sit
everytime I try to even queue for a shuffle meanwhile I literally get cancer
stark agate
having insane fun pushing r1 m+ this season, I'm done soon and I can sit
Do you pug or have a group
copper hare
I mainly pug, close to 3.3 right now
sharp meteor
As dps?
stark agate
My brother mainly pugs and he was driven insane lol, gave up pushing for that title
copper hare
I hate playing keys that I already have, so pugging is more fun sometimes :D
copper hare
As dps?
main enh/sometimes resto. Wouldn't be able to pug as warrior, people rarely want war
sharp meteor
Yeah, I was torn between subt and prevoker.
Shuffle queues to suffer just kind of iffy.
Although I guess finding keys is similar.
copper hare
Getting 50 min queues for a bm/frost mage lobby ain't it
stark agate
I might make a dedicated fist weaver just for SS queues
sharp meteor
Getting 50 min queues for a bm/frost mage lobby ain't it
Yep.
copper hare
I think my highest war is like 2.8 with only 40 wins for the legend title, not worth it
dense rover
Are the new tier sets gonna be bis for pvp?
sharp meteor
Probably.
compact schooner
