slam hype
#pvp
lean island
mild thunder
80k super low estimate
muted surge
mild thunder
but nah @quick carbon are you rerolling fury? arms bad 🤡
quick carbon
Avatar colossus smash
Spear
until arms loses mortal strike or just does absolutely negative damage
It will be better
mild thunder
omg a salient, cogent opinion
scarlet flame
what are you dropping to get slam talents
mild thunder
what're you doing in the warrior discord?
scarlet flame
theres are a few on the warrior side you can already drop
but on arms tree i dont know what i would readily drop for slam talents
ig it is only 1 point
quick carbon
you’re probably dropping the imp overpower or sweeping strikes talent
The one where it’s 10% more below 35%
scarlet flame
ye
mild thunder
depends on what you're running
imo bleed build will be king for the consistent dmg next season and you'll play around slam during your burst
quick carbon
idk I could see a world where you’re still going heavy crit with spear
if it’s a caster world next season
Spear is prob better
I hate roar into wizards
mild thunder
i mean, most casters get out of spear
quick carbon
only warlock does
quick carbon
mage getting out of spear isn’t consistent and if they mess it up they get extremely punished
can they? Yes
But is it 100%
No
And if they mistime it
They get fucked
Really hard
mild thunder
even if you do spear them they just alter and your damage is mostly wasted
unless you're going through it instantly
quick carbon
ya they can alter
but u can also just force block through alter
Cuz warrior damage
Absolutely absurd
in cds
scarlet flame
mage just blink breaks it
i could have sword mage blink doesn't breka spear root
ive seen mages blink out and get pulled in
quick carbon
they CAN break it
mild thunder
^
quick carbon
They have to time it
scarlet flame
ok gotcha
mild thunder
almost any class can break spear
scarlet flame
i think i like roar better the more i play it
mild thunder
but yea spear also hardcore wasted into sp imo
quick carbon
I think if ur fighting mage lock every game next season
mild thunder
you just dont need it
scarlet flame
i started spear but roar just feel easier to use
scarlet flame
if im fighting mage lock every game im just playing mage or lock instead of warrior 🙂
or hunter
mild thunder
roar is better into anything that's going to be a longer game
quick carbon
but if I’m fighting any spell cleave I’m playing spear
mild thunder
1min roar>spear on damage
quick carbon
spear is just the scarier go
mild thunder
and there's going to be a lot of long games next season
quick carbon
but overall throughout the game roar does more damage
doesn’t warrior have multiple crit modifiers in its talents anyway
mild thunder
yes
quick carbon
Maybe the nerf for crit isn’t hitting warrior as hard as other specs
scarlet flame
still have this for spear build too
quick carbon
It’s 15%in pvp
scarlet flame
still 15% 😠
also why dont they say its nerfed in the talent sections zzz
that shit is annoying
mild thunder
imagine playing ret 
scarlet flame
i dont wear diapers so i can't
scarlet flame
really?
quick carbon
spear feels so much better into mage lock
scarlet flame
i have the opposite opinions actually lol
could just because im worse at playing spear tho
mild thunder
depends on your comp too
quick carbon
Ur best comps next ssn r probably still warrior lock warrior sp
mild thunder
if you're a comp that can confidently dampen next season, you'll probs want roar
scarlet flame
i feel like most of the time my spear just gets immuned some way
quick carbon
when I q warrior destro into mage lock
Having spear
Just feels so much more impactful
unique fox
just hold it until the waste some shit because they always will
scarlet flame
when im spear i usually use it to make them waste cds
cause they insta use on spear lmfao
mild thunder
playing kitty, roar almost always feels higher value - we win on dmg, not on big burst goes
quick carbon
I mean as kitty yeah
But when ur playing comps where u wanna win in a bang
Spears better
mild thunder
yea probably
scarlet flame
i also kinda like the pressure playstyle more than bursting
quick carbon
ya roar isn’t bad at all
quick carbon
When I’m fighting melee cleaves I’m always roar
I still think you’ll be able to setup bangs and win
Sp warrior will still be able to 100-0 ppl in stun silence fear
mild thunder
we'll see... iirc they said there's more tinket bonus tuning to come
quick carbon
the sp cc chain is going to be longer than it is now
also be prepared to still get absolutely buttfucked by sub rogue cuz cheap shot is longer next season
scarlet flame
are slam talents nerfed in pvp?
quick carbon
no
mild thunder
no
quick carbon
as far as I know
mild thunder
and yea sub will still be busted
quick carbon
but to go back to the earlier point about baiting with spear
mild thunder
the only reason slam isnt worth rn is it doesnt fit into the rotation
quick carbon
I think baiting with colossus smash
mild thunder
we're too busy spamming ms/op
quick carbon
Is way better
mild thunder
the damage is already fine tbh
quick carbon
I mean a big overpower hits harder than a big slam rn so why ever use slam talents
scarlet flame
i have crit for 100k with op on someone
quick carbon
ya u can do ridic overpowers
mild thunder
yea but chances of getting a big slam are higher than chances of getting a big OP
quick carbon
I mean
if ur just using spear
And reck
U can pretty consistently get big overpowers
In ur bang
mild thunder
but yea that's my whole point - slam does fine dmg, but it doesnt fit our 2-button rotation
doing 250% more dmg, it defs will
scarlet flame
i like my 2 buttons 😠
scarlet flame
i like rogues 🙂
mild thunder
kys
scarlet flame
when they use evasion at 20% hp and i kill them with overpower
mild thunder
true, killing through evasion is a feelsgood moment
scarlet flame
its almost as good a feeling as when you beat lock mage
getting kited and beat on for 3 minutes straight just to insta kill one of them
quick carbon
I mean when I fight mage lock
scarlet flame
quick carbon
It feels way more bearable
If ur also bringing a mage or a warlock
if ur not bringing a caster ur just going to hate urself
scarlet flame
well yeah you have a wizard on your team to counter their wizards
but if you dont its very hard to enjoy that matchup lol
quick carbon
u just lose if u don’t
unless ur absolutely able to run the warlock over as a cleave
on a small map
scarlet flame
small maps my friend
quick carbon
I hope ret warrior just pushes peoples buttholes in
scarlet flame
any meta where casters have no fun is a meta i enjoy
quick carbon
I’m tryna stormbolt hoj cross ppl and say HEHE SETUP COMP HEHE
topaz tulip
How do we feel about s2 tset?
wheat jay
strong
scarlet flame
free damage and crit chance for basically nothing, im happy
wheat jay
mild thunder
arms is over
scarlet flame
topaz tulip
@mild thunder you ready to actually put slam back on your bar?
mild thunder
slam is on my bar, i use it for totems 🤓
wheat jay
galachad can't handle 3 button rotation
scarlet flame
no because arms is trash
wheat jay
after doing 2 for ages
topaz tulip
Not rend?
wheat jay
oh right, rend every 20s
mild thunder
stfu, i run bleed build so i use 3 buttons already
topaz tulip
lmfao
wheat jay
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK
scarlet flame
4 if you use sks
wheat jay
we need 50 buttons to do dmg again
mild thunder
☝️ 🤓
scarlet flame
my brain is so massive to remember to put dots back up
mild thunder
nah arms tier set is exciting tho - interesting impacts on talents, looks to be very strong
what more can we ask for?
mild thunder
rip
scarlet flame
i wouldn't say im excited to maybe use slam but if i get to use more big numbie abilities i can't complain that much
topaz tulip
what more can we ask for?
Honestly looks like full stacks would do as much as an empowered ms
scarlet flame
i would like it if it was a bit more consistent damage but that might be op
mild thunder
arms is already one of the highest consistent dmg specs in pvp
dont think we need more
topaz tulip
At 424 ~15k right with all talents right? So +250% should be 60ish k?
though, those crits will be more of an execute than execute
scarlet flame
again not saying you're wrong but ive never hit 80k with slam before
topaz tulip
how??
scarlet flame
during burst
regular crits i get 15-20k
but the idea of the tier set isn't to just use it you're using it around your burst
mild thunder
slam also crits almost every time
topaz tulip
I mean it's basically 50/50 with is, which also gives the 30% increased crit dam
scarlet flame
its like 70% with everything tho
topaz tulip
but crit dam is also dropped to 125% now right?
scarlet flame
30% base, 20% from your crit, 10% from t2 tier set
topaz tulip
uhhh seismic gives another 30%. Think there's one more
scarlet flame
also i thought crit damage was reduced to 150
topaz tulip
Oh my bad. Is it 175 rn? know it's 25% drop
scarlet flame
yeah
mild thunder
I mean it's basically 50/50 with is, which also gives the 30% increased crit dam
if you run reck, have a minimum of 20% base crit, then your slam crits 70% of the time
topaz tulip
gotcha
scarlet flame
what is fob
mild thunder
and slam will still do 200% crit dmg next tier
mild thunder
what is fob
fresh off the boat
scarlet flame
im not using that talent
topaz tulip
lmao
scarlet flame
i dont think thats the idea of the tier set too
mild thunder
will probably be running 25-30% crit next tier with increased stats
topaz tulip
ye
scarlet flame
i honestly think the tier set is to just have another "big cd" ability ig
mild thunder
fervor of battle was gutted back in beta anyway
scarlet flame
obv pvp isn't like static its all dynamic
mild thunder
it should just be deleted
scarlet flame
but from the tier set it really looks like they want to give slam a place in our kit instead of basically a worse rend
topaz tulip
Feel like it depends on how fast you pick up stacks from deep wounds though
mild thunder
i mean, maybe if you're against a pet spec or cleave or something you can run a gimmick SoS + FoB build with tier set
that would be pretty funny lmao
topaz tulip
also, another thought, could be necessary to do haste so the bleeds proc faster?
mild thunder
also, another thought, could be necessary to do haste so the bleeds proc faster?
stats will be pretty much the same as they are now - crit/haste mix w/ mostly preference
topaz tulip
Ig. Trading 2% kinda makes me feel sad
mild thunder
actually a SoS + FoB build might be hilarious with tier set
whirlwind can crit for ~50k right now
on top of a big slam
topaz tulip
true, I seent it
mild thunder
could be funny
probably overkill and better off using the rage on an ms
but could make funny oneshots
scarlet flame
i dont think ive had as much fun playing warrior since i picked up sks
scarlet flame
i've completely 1 shot people with that shit and its so fun
mild thunder
look at them now
topaz tulip
A lot did yeah but also a lot of people were like... "shit..could this really be viable? gala, test for us plss"
mild thunder
i still only use it into dk and lock mostly, but it does feel good fr
feels decent into other warriors too
scarlet flame
i could be wrong but haste making dots tick faster means they do more damage overall right
mild thunder
yep
scarlet flame
so sks with haste bleed build just makes it do more damage lol
topaz tulip
Er..isn't it just higher dps?
mild thunder
technically yea, but you still dont wanna be dropping much crit
haste = faster bleed ticks = more bleed ticks overall = more bleed dmg per cast
scarlet flame
it makes it expire instantly so if procs with low haste it might only proc 10 ticks of it, but with higher haste it might tick 15 instead
topaz tulip
I get what you're saying. If you cap it with sks you're taking same dam, but if you're just running around wacking with rend you end up with higher overall
how many times do you smack someone with rend before an sks?
topaz tulip
rend doesn't stack so once
It extends duration
mild thunder
that's what the fresh rend is for
if you need to double rend to get to 21s, you're not maintaining bleeds properly and are wasting the build tbh
topaz tulip
How? It starts at 15
mild thunder
18s with bloodletting
topaz tulip
ahh
mild thunder
maximum duration is 21s
topaz tulip
gotcha. So as long as you use it again with 4s left you always have it maxed
mild thunder
yep
dark sparrow
man i really want to try these sks oneshots you are talking about but every time i tried it, i do 0 dmg because i have no clue how to actually play it properly
scarlet flame
its really simple in concept, make sure you have your dots refreshed before CS, use CDs then sks someone into the character select screen
topaz tulip
Max rend immediately before you use it, only use during cs on someone ~50% or lower. If you use spear, be in it. If not, have roar on them
dark sparrow
so its refresh rend>ava>cs>sks>ms>roar?
mild thunder
so its refresh rend>ava>cs>sks>ms>roar?
pre much, yea
scarlet flame
yeah if you're not buffing dots i dont think its worth it
dark sparrow
and you dont play the blademaster one but the other talent right otherwise your bs would kinda fk it up
scarlet flame
i think unhinged is good almost every time if the other team doesn't have pets tbh
dark sparrow
yea i rarely swap out of unhinged even vs dk and bm cause its just that good
mild thunder
yea, that
scarlet flame
well vs unholy and bm it loses a lot of its value
mild thunder
unhinged is just strong, unpeelable dmg
dark sparrow
well depends on comp to
because if you are with caster, 9/10 they will go after him and you can just proc the unhinged when they are isolated more easily
topaz tulip
yeah if you're not buffing dots i dont think its worth it
Ig but it 80% crit means you should crit almost every bleed. And critting every bleed during sks is foul
dark sparrow
bet, gonna see if i can get my rotation down on dummy later and play around with sks a bit
scarlet flame
Ig but it 80% crit means you should crit almost every bleed. And critting every ...
you lose out on a ton of damage not being bleed build and going sks
mild thunder
thing with the sks build is that it's not just a oneshot gimmick build - you want to run roar and bleed talents for strong, consistent dmg too
you get the best of both worlds
topaz tulip
fair
really tempted to go play one just to fuck with it again but also not trying to salt my mouth after I just reached stage 1
topaz tulip
I just made R1 man I'm happy. But I also want the weapon tmog so I'm fucked
scarlet flame
well gz on r1
quick carbon
I went from almost 2800 in shuffle to 2200 in the matter of days
Solo shuffle is literally gambling but instead of money it’s your self esteem
topaz tulip
I went from almost 2800 in shuffle to 2200 in the matter of days
I feel that. On the way up I went from 1700-900. Fun times.
quick carbon
The lower u go the harder the lobbies feel
cuz u get the most dog players
the higher u get the easier the lobbies feel
scarlet flame
yo thats true as fuck
topaz tulip
because everyone is "better"
scarlet flame
im at 2k and it feels like everyone knows vaguely what to do
topaz tulip
not watching someone get capped 3 rounds in a row in teh first 10 seconds
quick carbon
It’s cuz ppl don’t just run in and feed and die without pressing buttons
In higher lobbies
topaz tulip
ye
quick carbon
I got a lobby today where I had to caps yell at this dh for wanting to hit the feral and not the mm hunter on the other team
like some ppl r so fried
in shuffle
topaz tulip
But it also hurts. Get thrown in those triple caster lobbies and it feels like they're doing double or triple damage to the lower ones
quick carbon
triple caster lobbies aren’t the worst thing just depends on the casters
I’d rather get mage lock ele lobby
Than get
scarlet flame
bruh they are easily the worst
quick carbon
Any bm hunter lobby
topaz tulip
Really?
scarlet flame
any combo
quick carbon
I despise bm hunter
scarlet flame
any combo of 3 ranged is not fun
quick carbon
They deserve to be shot
topaz tulip
Find them easier to deal with than a good frost
quick carbon
I mean if it’s mage lock ele lobby those r all good comps for u
tawny brook
What do you guys think about the new set bonus?
quick carbon
P good
scarlet flame
I mean if it’s mage lock ele lobby those r all good comps for u
when you get hit the ele its not bad but actually being able to do anything vs lock mage or mage hunter or lock hunter is impossible sometimes
quick carbon
I mean
Having a shaman on ur team
Vs mage lock
Is just nice cuz grounding shear
scarlet flame
yeah
quick carbon
and warrior lock is also rlly good even into something like ele mage
Warrior mage can also 100-0 anything
it just depends
how good ur medics are
And how bad u line them
When u chase ppl
topaz tulip
Honestly, it feels like bizz really is trying to live up to what it said and make us desire several different builds. You could do a slam/spear build or sks bleeds, or bmt and probably do comparable damage with all of them, from the sound of it
or maybe sks/slam could be the way to go, if the bleed procs on sks still give you the slam stacks
it looks really interesting
topaz tulip
And how bad u line them
why you attack me like this?
quick carbon
I’d rather get mage lock ele lobby than get any lobby with a rogue or bm hunter
and that’s on god
scarlet flame
i love rogues
quick carbon
I despise rogues
topaz tulip
it's the sp/lock/frost teams that fuck me up
quick carbon
I hope they all get shot
scarlet flame
its more rare for me to run into rogues that outplay everyone than to run into one i can bully
topaz tulip
Sap/smoke/10 sec free dam is outplay?
quick carbon
With a flag of ownership
scarlet flame
i bully rogue so much its funny
scarlet flame
you hit them for half their hp and they run with half their cds
quick carbon
But any rogue who’s not downy
Will destroy you
Off cd
Sub rogues should never die
Ever
If u die as sub rogue ur absolutely trolling
and terrible
topaz tulip
idk about all that. Kind of what bleed build does well for I think
quick carbon
how do u die
With evasion cloak and 2 vanishes
And all the control sub has
sub rogue shouldn’t ever die to anything but other rogues
quick carbon
scarlet flame
i've deff killed rogues through evasion before
topaz tulip
^
scarlet flame
not much you can do when 2 op hit you for 120k
topaz tulip
it's 50/50 shot tho
mild thunder
With evasion cloak and 2 vanishes
you didnt even mention their best defensive - 2x step
topaz tulip
and bleeds can't be dodged
quick carbon
no it isn’t
mild thunder
how do you die with 2x step
scarlet flame
i have not met a good rogue yet then ig lol
quick carbon
if they evasion high even if u do 120k to them with overpower
they aren’t dying
they can also just disarm u
stun u
Gouge u
blind u
vanish from u
X2
2 VANISHES LMAO
IMAGINE SAYING YEA GIVE THEM 2
quick carbon
yes
quick carbon
but u know what the rogue team also does
topaz tulip
spam cc the healer
quick carbon
they 3-2-1 cross ur team and completely obliterfuck u
rogue best class in wow hands down not even close
wheat jay
rmp is not even good now
topaz tulip
Idk man. I do hate the fuck outta rogs but I feel like you're giving them too much
wheat jay
there's 0 reasons to complain now
quick carbon
rmp is good what do u mean
wheat jay
its not even close to what it was in shadowlands
quick carbon
Idk man. I do hate the fuck outta rogs but I feel like you're giving them too mu...
No spec is on sub rogues level rn
quick carbon
its not even close to what it was in shadowlands
cuz shadowlands rmp was broken beyond belief god tier comp
wheat jay
for more dmg
quick carbon
Rmp right now is still super strong LOL
wheat jay
its very manageable
quick carbon
It just isn’t shadowlands rmp
quick carbon
yes I’m not saying warrior won’t ever beat rmp cuz ofc it can
wheat jay
by design it will i'd say
quick carbon
but ur acting like rogue mage is some trash tier comp now
When it’s still borderline s tier
rogue mage isn’t the BEST comp in the game anymore
That’s it
topaz tulip
okay, if rog is best spec, what comp does it need to actually be s tier then?
quick carbon
but the best comps in the game have rogues in them so xd
Rogue sp rogue lock rogue mage rogue hunter all s tier
I don’t think that’s a hot take
At all
wheat jay
they do
quick carbon
rogue single best most broken class
wheat jay
but saying its only because of rogue is delusional
wheat jay
thug is played by one person at high level
mild thunder
bicmex 
quick carbon
Mage lock sp are all strong without rogue
wheat jay
sp rogue is strong, rogue lock i've yet to see mentioned
quick carbon
But BROKEN with rogue
wheat jay
rogue mage is manageable
quick carbon
I mean locks broken rn without rogue too
rogue lock is absolutely insane rn
if u think it isn’t ur trolling
Rogue mage is rogue mage it’s always going to be broken to very good
dark sparrow
I went from almost 2800 in shuffle to 2200 in the matter of days
I feel that, i got 2398 couple weeks ago, dropped to 1750. was back up to 2380 last week and now i'm 2200 again lmao
quick carbon
no class is more broken than sub rogue
mild thunder
i wouldnt say warrior is more broken than rogue rn
scarlet flame
i deff dont think warrior is broken at all
mild thunder
or that we have a great counter into them anymore
blizz fucked us being a rogue counter when they gave them a disarm
quick carbon
saying warrior is better than rogue rn is completely wrong
wheat jay
but it is
scarlet flame
i think warrior is deff strong but not op at all
wheat jay
in 3s scenario warrior is better
dark sparrow
man pika just posted a vid of him playing thug with the main squad, they were killing people in such nasty ways it's insane
mild thunder
if anything, rogue is the spec keeping warrior out of SS tier
quick carbon
like ur smoking that nefarious sorcerer moongrass if u think warrior is better than rogue
dark sparrow
sub/mm/disc
quick carbon
in 3s scenario warrior is better
Yeah that’s why every awc team was playing warrior every series and not rogue I forgot duh how could I forget
dark sparrow
things just melted
quick carbon
ladder isn’t an indication of what’s the best
scarlet flame
isn't eu top ladder just raiku team
wheat jay
and awc is not an indication of what's best for ladder
quick carbon
It isn’t a COMPLETE indicator*
topaz tulip
Idk. Maybe cuz I"m still trash tier I don't see it. Rog is definitely a hard one, but broken beyond belief? Idts
mild thunder
ladder is an indication of what's easiest, not what's best
that's why warrior is always over-represented
wheat jay
same as pro play in lol is not the same as soloq
quick carbon
there is no comp warrior plays that’s better than the best rogue comps
And that’s just a fact
We can just disagree on it
Idc
wheat jay
and that's why warr is the highest represented class above 2400?
quick carbon
because warriors always among the most popular classes
wheat jay
2400+ of course
scarlet flame
isn't warrior just easier to play than dk and rogues
quick carbon
Rep == viability
wheat jay
🙂
quick carbon
Rep doesn’t equal viability
I can turn around and go wow hunter sucked all of shadowlands cuz of its low rep
Knowing jungle was broken
scarlet flame
if its easier to hit 2400 on warrior than rogue that doesn't mean rogue isn't better than warrior in those brackets
wheat jay
I can turn around and go wow hunter sucked all of shadowlands cuz of its low rep
except it was very popular
and i didn't say popularity
i said
above 2400
being a keyword here
scarlet flame
representation is popularity though
wheat jay
not exactly
mild thunder
look, let's all agree - artji is eu and therefore wrong
scarlet flame
if it wasnt a popular class it wouldn't be represented at all
topaz tulip
Warr is highest rep over 3k now
quick carbon
I’m not saying warrior is bad warrior is insane rn
wheat jay
if it wasnt a popular class it wouldn't be represented at all
its both popular, and represented because its one of the strongest classes
quick carbon
But pretending it’s better than rogue rn is insane
topaz tulip
or we not talking ss
quick carbon
because nothing is better than rogue rn
mild thunder
or we not talking ss
fuck ss
scarlet flame
think there are deff a couple classes that are above warrior rn
quick carbon
as far as melee it’s just rogue
scarlet flame
lock mage rogue hunter
scarlet flame
i would
mild thunder
bm will be with the buffs
quick carbon
it’s hard to compare casters to melee tho
I prefer to compare casters to casters and melee to melee
scarlet flame
fair argument
quick carbon
and there is no melee that’s ever been introduced in wow
scarlet flame
i think hunters just bring everything a warrior does minus ms (which is important)
quick carbon
That’s been better
For longer
Than rofue
Rogue *
hunters have Ms too do they not
wheat jay
not 100% uptime, but yes
scarlet flame
i do not think they have one
scarlet flame
its not sharpen or ms
wheat jay
it is ms
quick carbon
they have a healing reduction
wheat jay
25% healing reduction
scarlet flame
ms uptime i mean
scarlet flame
yeah
quick carbon
nevergiveup is 100% egirl name
scarlet flame
the rest are kinda just weirdo names
topaz tulip
Those last three top tier
scarlet flame
lmfao
frank knoll
these are all crusader
That’s the little short guy that gets mad easily right?
topaz tulip
lmfaol
quick carbon
he gets cooch so he does something right
topaz tulip
depends how dusty it is
frank knoll
The dude sounds like he’s on Tren
quick carbon
true
we all thought rogues were going to suffer next ssn
But they might actually be better
dark sparrow
Blizz be like, since we decided to nerf all the cc's in-game it felt more than fair to buff rogue dmg substantiantially to keep them relevant
quick carbon
the only thing that even got nerfed for them was blind sap
But they can just stun blind sap
dark sparrow
isnt kidney also 5s or something now
quick carbon
it’s 5.1 right now
with the passive relentless everyone has
.1 sec off kidney doesn’t matter
cheap shots also going to be 4 seconds up from 3.4
so ur gonna get triple cheap shot murdered
dark sparrow
man im getting SL flashbacks getting tripple dr cheap shot back to back
topaz tulip
is lariat effectiveness nerfed in pvp?
better question, how effective is it in pvp
don't remember
50?
hot solstice
Me expacting execute glyph on patch note.....blizzard - here have some heroic throw one
mild thunder
it just seems a bit copey coming from a warr streamer lol
when arms is typically THE pvp spec
mild thunder
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wheat jay
it just seems a bit copey coming from a warr streamer lol
It is lol
Still meme is funni
wheat jay
Never.
undone pumice
mfw deep wounds (arms ability) can only be applied in prot spec (they haven't it)
mild thunder
mfw deep wounds (arms ability) can only be applied in prot spec (they haven't it...
they haven't it 
undone pumice
they havent it
frank knoll
All of the set bonuses looks good
Except BM and Arms
They’re really pushing that slam gameplay huh
mild thunder
I’m convinced anyone that thinks the arms tier is bad just reads the word Slam and spazzes out
You also glossed over the actual meme set bonus - feral… that spec was robbed beyond belief
copper hare
the only problem with slam is this expansion, it has way too many modifying talents that increases its damage
like I don't understand why they nerfed slam on beta by 200% just to put in 7 different talent points for it
mild thunder
It’s definitely a bit weird, especially since those talents just sit there for fury
copper hare
the tier sounds mega but trying to put in 6 or 7 talents just for slam to do dmg is giga cringe
mild thunder
Imo the class tree is fine, since we kinda have some points we put in mediocre stuff now anyway (PNG, 5% move speed etc), but it’ll definitely have some big impacts on the spec tree
gloomy walrus
o
frank knoll
Yeah what I mean is, we’re gonna be forced into playing a slam talent build
Enhancement set bonus is pretty polarizing too
A lot of shaman don’t like it
mild thunder
Bcs the phys playstyle sucks
Not even that, the enh 4pc could be really good if it only gave the phys buff
But that’ll be almost impossible to get in arenas
muted surge
Ah that as well
mild thunder
But you’ll be stuck with a shitty chain lightning buff instead lmao
muted surge
Doesn’t it give both tho?
mild thunder
That’s not how it reads
muted surge
I would be surprised if it’s the one and not the other
mild thunder
It definitely reads like one of the other
muted surge
The phys buff would also be better in pve than the chain
That’s why I assume you get both
mild thunder
It’s almost definitely one or the other… no “also” or anything like that. If 1 target, X. If 2+ targets, Y
frank knoll
Would suck if you have to skill shot your sundering to hit one
Ele set look bonkers though
mild thunder
It’s also just counterintuitive
frank knoll
Stormkeeper up all of the time
mild thunder
You want to hit lots of targets with sunder, it’s good cc
Stormkeeper was nerfed by Zeus
30% buff down from 150%
frank knoll
Buffs your other stuff with the 4 set though
When it was 150% it was too crazy, one shotting people
mild thunder
It’ll be good, but it’s definitely not insane
Ele is already copping the hardest nerf from the crit change too
Lava burst is effectively taking a 25% nerf
muted surge
Nah it’s both.
If you hit 1 you get buff x.
If you hit 2 you get buff y.
So if you hit 2 mobs, the condition for x and y are met
That’s how I would understand it
mild thunder
tested?
muted surge
No
mild thunder
i mean, that's definitely not how it reads
muted surge
It’s always conditional
mild thunder
it literally says, if 1 target you get this, if 2 targets you get that
nowhere does it imply you get both
muted surge
Is it already available on ptr?
mild thunder
no
funny part is, chain lightning isnt even worth casting on two targets
ele blast remains prio up to 3 targets
muted surge
Getting 1 free chain lighting as a 4p isn’t even anything
mild thunder
3 targets, you're gonna be using prime wave for lightning bolt
it seems very poorly designed
muted surge
It just makes sense that you get both buffs :>
mild thunder
they should just give enh back chain harvest tbh
mild thunder
It just makes sense that you get both buffs :>
you should, but that doesn't mean you will, and that's not how it reads
if that were the case, they would've specified that
what i really wanna see are the numbers on the ww set
near delta
they should just give enh back chain harvest tbh
ChIn harvest was soooo fun
mild thunder
it felt so satisfying to press
and it was also great as a low-mana heal if you couldnt afford a healing surge
elfin surge
Its very hard and difficult to get higher rated for cool mogs and mounts and things. I wish they made it easier to gain rating like maybe increase the rating won per game significantly and decrease rating lost. I’d like that.
mild thunder
full quiver
Its very hard and difficult to get higher rated for cool mogs and mounts and thi...
u just need to get better
not our fault that you skated by with inflated NA ratings and are struggling at 1600 in EU
mild pier
Yo did they ever implement the duelist illusion?
green anchor
not yet but will
grand scaffold
how are ques looking rn in terms of classes you playing into
is it mostly caster cleaves melee cleaves or melee caster
mild pier
not yet but will
Yeesh
muted surge
not yet but will
22 no?
dark sparrow
@elfin surge could you get the addon that shows your button presses my guy? Would be a lot easier to follow your gameplay
green anchor
I just read that were some unknown issues and it will be given out later on
dark sparrow
green anchor
if you reached the req'd rating you will get it automatically
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> could you get the addon that shows your button presses my ...
I have it enabled on my main, must not be on my alts.
dark sparrow
I have it enabled on my main, must not be on my alts.
yea been watching your Vods of Execute SS and it's not enabled
good thing your shift spacebar is bound tho 
boreal veldt
Did they reveal any 10.1 pvp crafted items yet? Or we think we'll just be recrafting with ilvl boosting mats
limber relic
Have u guys seen arms warr new tier set?😂😂😂
Deep wounds proc can give u 25% dmg increased dmg to slam. Can stack 10 times lolwat
I mean atlast they made slam useful
boreal veldt
Yeah in pvp I don't see myself using full 4p
dark sparrow
Untill you realise its giga busted and will slam people for 200k lmao
sharp meteor
Yeah in pvp I don't see myself using full 4p
questionable
at least until it gets a 50%+ nerf
boreal veldt
Yeah, just gotta test it
elfin surge
yea been watching your Vods of Execute SS and it's not enabled
ye execute me alt
mild pier
What do ya'll do against fistweaver/dps cleave?
Seems like no matter how much damage I do they just out heal everything without casting
sharp meteor
Get them off their fae line.
Can blow up monk in stun but they're generally pretty good about cycling stuff.
Very hard to outcleave them on their pixie stuff.
elfin surge
What do ya'll do against fistweaver/dps cleave?
kill the monk scum
haughty lance
Looking around while gearing for PvP, do we(arms) really grab the raid set for the set bonus?
spice hornet
kill the monk scum
what do you do against prot paladin/fistweaver/WW?
asking for a friend
sharp meteor
queued into that the other day and bodied the mw
sharp meteor
seems really annoying when it's something like arms and prot or brew
cos they have so many ways to cover for the mw
in our case i think they overlapped and moved away from port so he just exploded
idle falcon
wooooooooooooow
won 3 rounds
lost 1
and healer afk for last 2 rounds
gg
fucking bullshit player
elfin surge
what do you do against prot paladin/fistweaver/WW?
spam emote their dead bodies then whisper them how trash they are
obviously
sharp meteor
spice hornet
mild pier
kill the monk scum
This works like a charm
spice hornet
@elfin surge Mud glizzy reveal when?
near delta
what do you do against prot paladin/fistweaver/WW?
The worst part about fistweaver is it enables weird ass tank comps
frank knoll
Weird, was talking to Mortalx, he said Prot pally is dead, plays Ret now
wheat jay
yo i went on ptr
checked tier for warr
there wasnt pvp one
but
there was some stuff on wowhead
so
this is pvp and elite pvp set for warrior
red is most likely elite seeing how every class has green one
and white/red is not for everyone
green wyvern
red/white looks like some samurai shit
tribal wedge
This helmet ...
wheat jay
helmet imo is good
tribal wedge
Idk it looks like toy
green wyvern
upright orc is sus
copper hare
kinda agree
lean burrow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745283162225246327/1085574769438642276/...
looks plastic
rapid shore
hot solstice
no glowing for myth/elite sets?
sage raptor
Sup bitches
spark zenith
Yo did they ever implement the duelist illusion?
They did. It's the illusion you will ever get it.
next rover
How do I find a 2v2 partner irl (girl friend) to push along with the season and hopefully form a 3v3 in the future (start a family)
mild pier
How do I find a 2v2 partner irl (girl friend) to push along with the season and ...
You forget all about that and do solo shuffle
spark zenith
Except BM and Arms
What's wrong with BM perma BW
next rover
You forget all about that and do solo shuffle
But when I do ss all I get is shit comps and adderal addicts
lucid walrus
red is most likely elite seeing how every class has green one
nelf stonks thru the roof
offbrand warden look w/ the green one
grand scaffold
😂
mild pier
But when I do ss all I get is shit comps and adderal addicts
If everyone is shit you should be able to kill every round
That's just science
lucid walrus
if this set had a 3d chestpiece it'd be 8.5 or 9/10 imo
mild pier
Shit looks like something my 13 year old self would draw in math class
spark zenith
Shit looks like something my 13 year old self would draw in math class
I'd hire you at Blizz then
sage raptor
We need that imagination
hazy isle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745283162225246327/1085498589763088444/...
some good pieces, but it looks like its 5 years behind compared to the other sets
wheat jay
it actually doesn't
its a good piece, fits warrior, fits new raid, which is their goal every tier now
sage raptor
Looks warrior to me
frank knoll
red/white looks like some samurai shit
It’ll look good with this months trading post sword
lucid walrus
Belt breaks with tabards and stuff, though.
as in it crops the bottom of the tabard?
or is it one of the ones that doesn't do that and makes it look funky as a result
tawny brook
Is there a collection of all the new tier set looks
frank knoll
Frost DK S2 set looks really good, Frost DK RBG meta inc
They’re gonna have a 100% buffed frostwyrms fury that will be up all of the time
dark sparrow
Druid lock and priest one looking kinda fire
frank knoll
Hunter, Shaman, Druid and Priest are the winners here
slender lion
fury s2 pvp king?
ruby temple
good evening. Are you guys using the on use trinket or primary proc trinket as arms? I am using the spear meme meme build so I figure the on use would synergize better? but insiginia might be better since I wanna flex into fury as well?
spark zenith
good evening. Are you guys using the on use trinket or primary proc trinket as a...
Both
ruby temple
ok and what is influencing your decision to use one or the other per match?
thorn herald
Druid lock and priest one looking kinda fire
I really like the red set with white trim that's gonna be a pvp coloration
For warriors
frank knoll
fury s2 pvp king?
Set looks good but revolves around crit and they nerfed crit by 25% in PvP
Will probably still be okay tho
spark zenith
ok and what is influencing your decision to use one or the other per match?
For me at my rating, nothing. I always roll with this. For more conservative, you might run against RMP.
rotund trellis
https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-2-tier-set-appearances-revealed-for-all-13-c...
druid one looks pretty sick ngl
mild thunder
They’re gonna have a 100% buffed frostwyrms fury that will be up all of the time
100% effectiveness =/= 100% buffed
That just means it’ll be hitting for baseline dmg.., still seems somewhat strong, although 15 Rime consumptions seems like a fair few, esp in single target
thorn herald
Set looks good but revolves around crit and they nerfed crit by 25% in PvP
Will ...
Yeah but with the set and impale + sharpened blades we are at pre nerf levels
Throw in spear and we are gritting at the same levels we are now
mild thunder
Yeah but with the set and impale + sharpened blades we are at pre nerf levels
He was talking about fury
thorn herald
He was talking about fury
Oh
mystic prairie
got into a lobby with 2 mages, 1 evoker, and 2 prot palas lmao
sharp meteor
rotund trellis
a nice 4-2 opener tonight
wheat jay
1800 tonight?
rotund trellis
1500ish for me LOL
sharp meteor
🚀
rotund trellis
I wanna say something: skillcapped youtube channel is just great
I adore their content
topaz tulip
1500ish for me LOL
Damn man, last I saw you were tilting all the way to 600. Keep goin boss
That's fantastic progress
rotund trellis
I mean I was at 1790 and tanked, but that was the week of conquest uncap
topaz tulip
Yeah I remember. You spent a solid week just losing and wanted to hit 0 and quit. I'm glad you made it out the funk
ruby temple
how much longer is the season anyways 2 months after next tuesday?
sharp meteor
Probably something like that, yeah.
ruby temple
good that should be enough time to get atleast 1800 in shuffle for that sweet transmog
rotund trellis
I'd love to get to 1800 as well, I don't want to set my hopes too high tho.
spice hornet
anyone else feel like vengful retreate/glimpse interaction is way too short of a CD for what it does?
mild pier
I'd love to get to 1800 as well, I don't want to set my hopes too high tho.
Gotta que on Tuesday, right after reset if possible. You’ll be 6-0 lobbies like it’s your job
topaz tulip
how much longer is the season anyways 2 months after next tuesday?
They said 10.1 will come somewhere between may/july
ruby temple
nice! I'm gonna shoot for 1800 for now since this is my first tier back to warrior in years but maybe I'll even get to try for 2100 spear give me strength
mild thunder
anyone else feel like vengful retreate/glimpse interaction is way too short of a...
agreed
full quiver
Already got giga nerfed lol
rotund trellis
Gotta que on Tuesday, right after reset if possible. You’ll be 6-0 lobbies like ...
really? why
mild pier
Everyone and their mother is queuing up
Probably easier to push rating, also the ques are fast as fuck
ruby temple
rip me. was definetly about to go 5-1 in this lobby but warlock got tilted and afkd the last round. first round out the gate hit him with my spear for 150k and he died before anyone else could play the game 😦
lyric violet
maybe im dumb can you explain why i got -14 and he got +10?
it says our mmr is the same?
what rounds we won?
lean burrow
did he win against pala/hunter but lost to you?
individual games matter, if you lost vs lower mmr opponent or he won vs higher mmr opponent in one of the rounds, he gets more cr
rotund trellis
well another 2-4 lost another 47 matches. it's beyond frustrating and why the fuck I keep trying
like why the fuck do I lose more ranks than I fucking gain? fucking Blizzard
Also WHY THE FUCK the pala who's my EXACT RSAME RANK loses LESS than I do fucking idiotic designers
lean burrow
being warrior is hard
rotund trellis
I just suck so bad
lyric violet
individual games matter, if you lost vs lower mmr opponent or he won vs higher m...
thank you what i figured pretty whack Lol
rotund trellis
is honor being rolled over to next patch? or does it go to 0?
leaden holly
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong please but I’m pretty sure honor rolls over but conquest goes to zero
indigo barn
rotund trellis
ty
sharp meteor
and next seas is probs like 2-3 months away
although could be getting conq boxes next week so that's sweet
lucid walrus
go go gadget season inflation
thorn herald
well another 2-4 lost another 47 matches. it's beyond frustrating and why the fu...
Do you record your games
rotund trellis
yes
but I'm too stupid to apply the lessons I learn. People take time and patience to teach me and give me feedback, but I'm too slow, manually and mentally.
it's greatly appreciated tho, incredible the length people go to help me ❤️
lean burrow
focus on one thing at a time
first try to always maintain hamstring
just doing your damage without being kited will get you 1.8k
rotund trellis
I gotta be honest it's gotten much better as I rarely am the one dying and I have much more awareness of many things. It's still incredibly hard to climb as every loss is severely punished and the level of people's play went up drastically the last month. Again I got all the way to 1790, but now I'm hardstuck at 1470-1500. I noticed a dramatically higher difficulty recently
ebon sierra
do we use shattering throw on hunter turtle?
still talon
do we use shattering throw on hunter turtle?
doesnt work on turtle
ebon sierra
so the other throw?
ebon sierra
lol kk thanks XD
still talon
how about life coccoon?
wrecking throw would work on cocoon since its an absorb shield but its quite large so the throw wont remove it all
ebon sierra
aight, thanks man!
sharp meteor
how about life coccoon?
Wrecking takes a big chunk out, yeah.
Can also go into demolish honor talent if there's nothing more important to grab.
lethal sandal
alright, what is the pvp community thinking about the new t sets for warriors in pvp and in general?
sharp meteor
Eh, kind of so so.
Operating under the assumption that 4pc gets nerfed heavily.
Because otherwise we just randomly kill people from 40-60% or something
mild thunder
fury set looks decent, arms set is busted and will likely get nerfed/reworked
spice hornet
Arms needs dat
lethal sandal
i also feel like arms 4pc is really busted. lets see how this works out. but for fury i feel 2pc is kinda boring and 4pc sounds kinda nice
mild thunder
arms 2 and 4 set are both very strong
woeful solstice
well another 2-4 lost another 47 matches. it's beyond frustrating and why the fu...
post a rough game you had in #810664169140518947
tawny brook
Are all the rogue specs squishy?
sage raptor
Yeah they're easy to kill outside of cds
Idk about outlaw, I haven't seen a single one
tepid stag
poggy woggies
tepid stag
i stingy
lean burrow
Also honor gear feels surprisingly okay.
i get 3 shotted on honor geared mage vs fully socketed bis geared warrior with 4 seasons of rival xp
from warbringer
feels like SL 0/9 vs 8/9 conq set
mild thunder
Are all the rogue specs squishy?
depends on what you mean by squishy... w/o CDs they die fairly quick, but they have enough CDs to rotate to be virtually immortal
double step, vanish(x2 for sub), eva, cloak, kidney, cs, gouge, blind, disarm etc
tepid stag
poggy woggies
vagrant gulch
good morning guys, i just wanna cry myself out loud rn... after 40 minutes of queue time i got into a solo shuffle at 1 A.M with a frost mage, an ele shamy and an affli lock and i never wanted to cut my wrist open as much as in that game
like what the fuck are we supposed to do as an arms in such a lobby
got second most dmg out of the lobby but there was never a chance to kill one
steep inlet
Yeah horrible comp for us
quick carbon
got second most dmg out of the lobby but there was never a chance to kill one
were u playing roar or spear into that
mild thunder
shockwave
vagrant gulch
were u playing roar or spear into that
first game spear but then i went for roar
quick carbon
What were the healers in that lobby
vagrant gulch
really? i felt like i had more pressure with roar than with spear
cause sham and mage can both knock me back
and lock just use gate
quick carbon
ur not gonna out dampen mage lock or lock shaman