We can play kfc and we'll have to lfg healer, unless we use your fame to get someone
#pvp
violet fossil
Eu more like pu
quick carbon
Would not want disarm protection
Make it to where if u land a kick they don’t get precog for 30 seconds
muted surge
Kick should increase the damage taken :)
quick carbon
alrdy exists for warrior
they should make it to where if u land a kick it resets ur kicks cd
So it’s punishing for u if u miss kick cuz precog but punishing for them if they can’t juke B)
wheat jay
Sounds like making game unplayable for casters not gonna lie
Not a move in the right direction xd
grand scaffold
its a great move
they gotta bait kicks
if they bait successfully cc immune for 4 sec
but if they dont bait the kick
insta rekick
thats like
melee precog
muted surge
Baiting is horrible
copper hare
Sounds like making game unplayable for casters not gonna lie
most of them don't even have to cast anyways
we're a legit playing a game where a FROST MAGE only casts RING OF FIRE a couple times in a match
imagine
warped warren
So it’s punishing for u if u miss kick cuz precog but punishing for them if they...
imagine just perma kicking a caster 
me support
wheat jay
I still think kick reset would be bad for the game
Maybe reducing cd by 5s or sth
But full reset would be bad
And even that would be HELLA strong
jovial cedar
Is elemental lariat good for arms PvP?
full quiver
6/7 of the top mw monks are the same person
Lol
Watching foxy mald vs him fish weaving in shuffle was hilarious
wooden grove
6/7 of the top mw monks are the same person
Selling Glad/R1 accounts be like
dapper drum
what vers & haste % am i aiming for, for fury pvp?
rotund trellis
KOKWEAVER tho...
thick reef
everyone got weird names in wow now lol
copper hare
Is elemental lariat good for arms PvP?
it's not bad but boots + head are tooo strong and it's limited to two
mystic prairie
35 min queue, finally pops and everyone accepts, somebody immediately leaves 
sly furnace
Still giga ques for SS?
grand scaffold
Fist weaving is 300$
the fine for playing it?
wanton sun
Do I take a socket from my vault or this trinket with avoidance? I already have this trinket but obviously no avoidance.
sharp meteor
RNG tertiaries aren't active in pvp.
muted surge
Avoidance doesn’t give damage
sharp meteor
Leech to bracers enchant works but the avoidance on this Insignia won't function.
sharp meteor
They didn't want people fretting about potentially trying to rng full gear with tertiaries.
Because that's just not a realistic thing.
sharp meteor
Imagine playing into a DH who just has 16% leech and 12% more speed or something.
sharp meteor
Yeah, always socket unless maybe it's a weapon on an alt and you don't wanna grind 1800 more conq.
wanton sun
At what point should i Just gem crit over vers/crit?
wanton sun
Haha
elfin surge
But I'm also a Fury chad stacking Vers/Haste gems
there are no fury "chads" only fury nerds
near delta
There is one and only one fury chad and his name is smexxin
sage raptor
I'm curious as to how the pvp talent rework for prot will be since they barely know what to do with tanks.
God they took away sword and board
craggy meteor
Took a 2-4 into a lobby with feral, outlaw, hunter. Not sure how I could have won more games. Got close to finishing people a bunch of times and didn’t die once but the damn feral just went 6-0. Healers couldn’t cope with his pressure
Maybe wrong kill target? Was generally trying to kill the outlaw or the hunter
Maybe should have gone on feral more?
ruby temple
As a previous feral main I always sit the ferals. Don't let them pump without punishing them for it
vapid tartan
will infurious boots be useless 10.1 since because of the gladiator distinction change
sharp meteor
That's a concern for the future. 
kindred sedge
God they took away sword and board
Yeah, those fuckers. That was an oof for me.
sage raptor
Maybe they'll just buff devastate and SS to compensate like they did with bdk
Or unnerfing SS would be cool
craggy meteor
As a previous feral main I always sit the ferals. Don't let them pump without pu...
Ok thanks pal
sage raptor
Bring back gladiator stance
maybe glad stance will comeback with the removal of sword an board 🤷♂️
fickle forge
maybe glad stance will comeback with the removal of sword an board 🤷♂️
Eksdee
sage raptor
well the fact that we have almost nothing to go on, nothing is outside the realm of possibilites
sage raptor
blizz said they wouldnt do a lot of things
fickle forge
Yeah
sage raptor
it would also be a pvp talent that has no effect on pve
fickle forge
But I'd argue that'll still put you on the lower side of odds
scarlet barn
I will show you THE odds
wooden grove
Just don’t tell him the odds
wooden grove
Half a brain and a monitor that’s plugged in all you need
mild pier
Lmao christ
near delta
Ya'll weren't kidding about solo shuffle being free rating
The hardest part is waiting for the queues lol
near delta
Yeah playing the game at all is weirdly difficult now
mild thunder
30 min queues, may as well Lfg for real 3s
solemn copper
what am I swapping unhinged to against bm/demo?
lean burrow
exec precision?
scarlet barn
Ya'll weren't kidding about solo shuffle being free rating
Guess why so many people started showing high cr in this season
Most of them are solo shuffles
mild pier
Yeah playing the game at all is weirdly difficult now
True. Can't play 2s/3s as an average player so you're forced into solo shuffle but you can barely get two games in within an hour
steep pier
is there a macro to switch between def and battle stance?
robust osprey
with fury do you need to wait for the avatar Odyn's fury DoT to disappear before you press real Odyns fury or do they stack?
mystic prairie
is there a macro to switch between def and battle stance?
yes, it's pinned in this channel
lean island
is gnome good race for rated pvp? 1 min cd escape seem very nice to me
lean burrow
with fury do you need to wait for the avatar Odyn's fury DoT to disappear before...
wait
reckless+avatar, rampage, roar, rampage, odyn's fury, rampage
sharp meteor
is gnome good race for rated pvp? 1 min cd escape seem very nice to me
Yes, it's very good for Arms.
Fury gains a bit less value because you have Bloodrage.
obsidian loom
is 4p good for fury and arms?
thick reef
It's good, but Fury needs it less (you still are taking it though)
sharp meteor
are you tho
i could see a case for tier helm n legs or something then skipping rest
thick reef
I mean, Death Sentence is a good talent tbh
And Sudden Death helps keep it live more often
And more Sudden Death procs is gooder
mild thunder
are you tho
Depends on build tbh
Onslaught build should definitely take it, it’s your main generator
sharp meteor
Ya some setups could
mild thunder
Imo there’s just no reason to not run onslaught anymore
sharp meteor
reminds me i need to play skullsplitter every game on an alt or something
mild thunder
Skullsplitter 
noble stream
maybe if blizz didn't think annihilator nerfing slaughtering strikes by 90% was reasonable
but anni does also want 4-set, execute is your hardest hitting non-cd
mild thunder
maybe if blizz didn't think annihilator nerfing slaughtering strikes by 90% was ...
It’d be stupid otherwise lmao
Auto-attacking increase rampage damage by 100%? No thanks
mild thunder
Even up to 50% would be stupid
noble stream
the damage difference between anni and rb is almost entirely this talent...
mild thunder
For doing nothing
Annihilator is just bad design, they shouldn’t try to make it as good as other builds
Or remove RA so annihilator can be fun again
obsidian loom
if you take onslaught, are you prio raging blow or onslaught?
mild thunder
OS > exe > rb > bt
obsidian loom
mystic prairie
dont wanna sound racist but something is wrong with russian discs, they just underperform every time
maybe just at my shitty mmr
last game hpal did like twice better
and in general it's usually a loss when I see my disc has russian name
are they using some scuffed russian pvp guide
thick reef
dont wanna sound racist but something is wrong with russian discs, they just und...
Russians are the EU equivalent of Oceanic players
I see some Ragnaros guy I automatically know he's the shitter of the solo shuffle. 95% of the time? Never fails
swift folio
sry to interrupt , does pvp gear scale up in duels ?
lean burrow
Russians are the EU equivalent of Oceanic players
at least oceanic can communicate
ragnaros is not oce, it's latin america
lean burrow
oce is australia i think
thick reef
I don't begrudge Aussies for being unable to play, considering they are tethered to the earth via bungie cords and being sniped by boomerangs
mystic prairie
sry to interrupt , does pvp gear scale up in duels ?
yes
mild thunder
Russians are the EU equivalent of Oceanic players
Excuse me?
mild thunder
Oce players are chads
Every time you see an oce player at your rating, remember he did that with oce ms and is a better player than you
thick reef
Oce players are chads
Every time you see an oce player at your rating, remember...
I too can kick my router
mild thunder
And no we’re not the fucking same as LatAM… I thought the jokes about Americans being retarded at geography were actually jokes, not the truth
muted surge
Are you sure about that
muted surge
Did they actually change the English name …
wheat jay
Of?
muted surge
Didn’t now that the counties can decide the translations
muted surge
Apparently not
muted surge
🦃
lean burrow
lmao
mild thunder
Bruh
Ig arms doesn’t have a tier set next season
Nah 250% is actually decent IF you invest into every slam talent
lean burrow
meanwhile
mild thunder
That’d be like 200k right now
wheat jay
Tbh both warr sets are strong
2set arms busted
4set just gonna be a huge setup
250% kinda nuts
Assa wtf?
They went crazy with it lol
I kinda like it all not gonna lie
mild thunder
Nah these actually all seem cool
mild thunder
So slam is actually an ability again
Kinda
And we’ll definitely keep running crit/haste
wheat jay
Once its stacked it might be popping people's heads off
Ye
Its funny cuz there's 150% crit change haha
But ye in pvp arms will be super strong
mild thunder
Fury and ret ones are cool too
lean burrow
avatar cs slam
mild thunder
Good
mild thunder
So okay hear me out
mild thunder
I don’t see why not
lean burrow
cringe build
wheat jay
Haha
lean burrow
slam + sks
lean burrow
even locks are not so cringe
wheat jay
Ye now arms is boring
mild thunder
Only reason I run sks build now is so I have a full rotation lmao
mild thunder
At first read I didn’t like it, but nah I think it’ll be cool
It should stack fairly fast too, esp if we run bloodletting
Which we will always want to now
wheat jay
We'll see, its definitely nice for pvp
wheat jay
In pvp too actually
wheat jay
Storm of destruction might be fucking bis against locks or sth haha ye
That and cyclone
All pops
sharp meteor
lmao
so we take every slam talent and hit a guy for 80% of his health then it gets massively pvp nerfed
wheat jay
Then we add CS, Avatar, maybe cyclone
Its gonna get nerfed to like 10% per stack or sth
lean burrow
10.1 release: "4 piece tier set effectiveness reduced 99% in PvP combat."
wheat jay
Still, might be funny haha
I meaaaaaan
2set is plenty strong now
So even that will be huge
I checked ww and ele
Jeeeeeesus xD
@mild thunder ww Monk naughty bonus
flat tide
sage raptor
Troma I stg if you get prot nerfed in pvp again next season im gonna... do something >.>
mild thunder
<@589020053748449300> ww Monk naughty bonus
ww could be great, could be useless
they havent even revealed numbers on it yet
at least ele is copping nerfs finally
ebon pivot
I'd say reply back and tell him to go see the doc about lowering his sodium levels since he's so salty. But he prob blocked you the second he sent it
rotund trellis
rotund trellis
fuck em
no fuck me he's right I suck. I'm a loser.
no he went on, but he's right, i suck, I'm hardstuck
he also mentioned my stats, and he's right I have like a 30% winrate.
full quiver
ebon pivot
Bah don't worry about it. I'm hard stuck too. Took a week off from pvp just to try and clear my brain (and I started back at work), so I'm sure when I dive back in I'll have plenty of 0-6 too
full quiver
Only up from there baby
rotund trellis
nah I am really bad at the game.
ebon pivot
I just imagine nerd ragers like that as lonely dudes, posted up in a dingy basement with a body pillow as their waifu. Just makes me chuckle seeing what they type with that image in my head
rotund trellis
that's me
ebon pivot
I don't believe that
ebon pivot
I'll rage to like myself, but I'd never whisper someone and go banana sammich on 'em f
rotund trellis
I rage always caus I'm frusrtated in real life
full quiver
Esp when I get some clown like @spice hornet on my team
I sent one whisper that a budy asked me to
rotund trellis
no body pillow == you're not one of 'em
full quiver
And it was about using pet mend
After I killed dudes pet multiple times
Insta blocked me lmao
ebon pivot
lol
I used to get a lot of angry whispers in the past from hunters when I killed their pets
dunno why it made 'em so angry
rotund trellis
cause you offended their one brain cell
when they're not focused on their rotation, they whisper
"rotation"...
ebon pivot
was gonna say "rotation"
I will say I whispered a hunter recently, he was rocking survival and dude was killin it
so I had to just tell 'em that he was rockin it
cause most survivals I've run into are just fodder to the meat grinder
full quiver
Just told him hey you should macro pet mend to disengage
Helps keep pet up
Or something along those lines, insta blocked lol
Guy hit it like 3x in 12 rounds
thick reef
nah I am really bad at the game.
bro
who cares
hes raging at u over solo shuff
he prob plays ike 5x more then you
and is prob hardstuck as well LOL
rotund trellis
he said he got to 1600 in solo shuffle in 10 games
rotund trellis
and linked me his 2000 rating achievemnt
rotund trellis
well I just died during a world quest, am I not worse LOL?
thick reef
nah dude
iv died during
easy shit as well
ur just learning arena man
its a toxic environment at times
u just gotta move on, with time and practice u will be way better, trust
rotund trellis
dude i got 320 games and I'm 1450 LOL, how am I not the worst player in this game, I mean I'm not even mad about it it's just facts lol
spice hornet
Esp when I get some clown like <@160879799672373248> on my team
Fk scoobz
Doesn’t even have a sub
But reads the warrior discord everyday
Talk about rent free
thick reef
dude i got 320 games and I'm 1450 LOL, how am I not the worst player in this gam...
i understand the frustration, used to be in the same boat, i was worried abt my games but iv seen people with like 1000 games at 1500 LOL
full quiver
mystic prairie
if I'm winning 3 rounds with 1 healer and losing 3 with the other, it's the healer's fault right guys, right
rotund trellis
lol but I'm not frustrated, I just say that it's true, I'm really, like REALLY bad at the game. I'm good at other things, but not at this game lmao
thick reef
i feel that man
thick reef
LMAO
mystic prairie
wtf how are you getting queue pops
full quiver
Win
frank knoll
i understand the frustration, used to be in the same boat, i was worried abt my ...
I saw someone with like 1000 games at 500 something
Only way to explain that is that they are a healer who rage quits a lot
thick reef
yeah
its insane to see people with
ratios like that
i havent seen enough bad ones, i think the worst iv seen is like 300-600 at 1300 LOL
mystic prairie
out of 179 games I didn't go 0-6 95% of the time, which is... nice? lol
thick reef
thats good yea
caster lobbys for us can be a threat to go 0-6 at decent high rating
i feel like 1-2 wins is normal but it rly depends
mystic prairie
3 weeks in, haven't looked at omnibar once
sage raptor
Should've said "Looks like SBMM is working then"
serene kite
rotund trellis
what you mean I use slam every gcd
also what is this shit??????
HELLO BLIZZARD????
lean burrow
he also mentioned my stats, and he's right I have like a 30% winrate.
but he plays on the same mmr
mild thunder
arms tier set defs not a meme lmao
lean burrow
mild thunder
arms tier set is probably the strongest one
lean burrow
but it requires pressing slam
indigo barn
I mean meme as in stupidly large hits every now and then
Might not be a 1 shot, but it's gonna hurt
A lot
mild thunder
how's that a meme 4set then? it's incredibly strong
indigo barn
Meme as in it's just dumb lol
mild thunder
it does exactly what people want tier sets to do - modify our rotation
and it does it in a simple, interesting way that will have a lot of impact on our talent selection
indigo barn
@elfin surge slam build wen
mild thunder
slam will still be critting for 200% dmg with all the crit mods
and has a 45% increased crit chance, 65% with reck procs
indigo barn
I'm wondering if the aoe portion is affected by sweeping strikes
mild thunder
fury tier is weird af
but it might make an annihilator + crit build insanely strong
can theoretically get 100% uptime on CSHB, with +50% bloodbaths
mild thunder
Sweeping Strikes double giga-Slam splash damage would be godly
it would be mostly meaningless for arena, but huge in m+
indigo barn
120k rampage with all crits followed by a 130k BT
mystic prairie
idk it depends on that slam stack proc rate, but to me it seems like it's gonna be sort of a meme and some will choose to only go with 2pc
mild thunder
anyone not taking 4pc will be retarded lmao
"no, i dont want slam to oneshot someone for 200k"
mystic prairie
it may be that, or it might not work as well as you expect
mild thunder
deep wounds crits reasonably often, and we can take extra tools to expedite that even further
woeful solstice
arms tier set is probably the strongest one
i cannot wait to hit people for 150k slams
mild thunder
the arms tier is absolutely a standout
woeful solstice
this is like the bfa slam azerite trait
mild thunder
150k is unironically a low estimate
woeful solstice
random 360noscope slams gonna be hilarious
mild thunder
slam already crits for ~60-80k during burst windows
woeful solstice
...you press slam?
sharp meteor
it's gonna be like a half health execute or something
mild thunder
no, but ive tested it
woeful solstice
ah ok
sharp meteor
will get nerfed by 30-50%+
woeful solstice
with slam talents it chunks we just have no room for slam currently imo
but this opens up new builds for sure
sharp meteor
we will if it hits this hard
mild thunder
slam does fine damage, the problem is just that it doesnt fit our rotation
woeful solstice
goodnight
mild thunder
but yea this'll definitely work
woeful solstice
yay maybe mastery wont be dogshit
woeful solstice
hmm
mystic prairie
mastery only increases damage, not tick rate afaik
mild thunder
more haste = more deep wounds ticks
more crit = more deep wounds crits
mastery = no synergy
woeful solstice
right i was thinking mastery to increase that dmg modifier to eek out more from the slam
but we'll see
just thinking out loud
dmg gets nutty when you stack modifiers
mild thunder
i dont think it'll become worth working our entire build around a oneshot
our consistent dmg is just too strong
esp since next season will be a massive consistent dmg meta
mystic prairie
I thought you'd HAVE to have the SLAM build to make use of it, but if the numbers you provided are correct then it may not be necessary
tardy flame
Our mastery should be reworked to increase our critical strike damage
woeful solstice
Ehhhhhh
mystic prairie
I don't even have slam on action bars so xd
mild thunder
I thought you'd HAVE to have the SLAM build to make use of it, but if the number...
you'll definitely want slam talents
probably all of them
wheat jay
Its gonna be back probably haha
woeful solstice
I get to make a new weak aura for slam now. It’s gonna be like my shotgun EP/OP one
But better
tardy flame
Choice node to pick between shockwave on charge or warbringer on charge
woeful solstice
slam + shockwave arms meta <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Kinda down for this
wheat jay
True purpose of tier sets
mild thunder
this is the most change arms has gotten since bfa lmao
mild thunder
1/4
mild thunder
1/8 is now, lets be honest
woeful solstice
I like current arms but miss a few things like spell reflect intervene
wheat jay
Lmao
woeful solstice
Gave arms some good outplay potential for sure
woeful solstice
Oh totally but there was more before imo
wheat jay
Ye and it was busted
woeful solstice
Lmao yup
woeful solstice
I’m not saying it was balanced
wheat jay
Haha
mild thunder
all they need is to return overwatch and i'll cream
woeful solstice
They definitely won’t
mild thunder
that's what we said about ignore pain
woeful solstice
We know the direction game is going with 10.1 cc changes
mild thunder
it's pre funny how far arms has come this xpac
wheat jay
From shite to busted
Again
It happens every expansion
Arms bad
Arms buffed
Arms good
rotund trellis
28 min queue, lmao
mild thunder
i wanna see the ww tier set numbers
wheat jay
Blizz be like "Y'ALL MOTHERFUCKERS WANT SOME MORE BUFFS?"
I'm sadge for survi
I wanted to main it again
But tier is dogshit
woeful solstice
I’m gonna give ret a try for an alt
mild thunder
i mean
woeful solstice
Can’t wait to howitzer someone from 40y away
woeful solstice
Yeah it looks very solid
tidal gulch
On track to get 5 wins and I DC on the last round, come back to this.
drifting elbow
Yo only got one spark is warboots or helm of vengeance better as a first craft
drifting elbow
It def dont tho
cobalt wolf
What happens if you've used them all O_O
mild thunder
have you already done all the quests @drifting elbow ?
drifting elbow
Yep
sharp meteor
keys are a fun time with a premade
raiding feels more like rbgs where ur bringing along friends and family
mild thunder
yea the actual better content of the game
shh
sharp meteor
but keys are cool
copper hare
idk, shuffle is legit fucked, nobody likes it currently
and 3s is sadly dead except for r1 players
and pve is probably in his best designed state so far
sharp meteor
whole playerbase quit 3s because shuffle is easier rewards now fretting about 3s deflation
mild thunder
m+ is super fun with the right people
raiding is fun until you spend an entire night on one boss
copper hare
both raids and m+
sharp meteor
i hate wow players so much it's unreal
mild thunder
i hate wow players so much it's unreal
facts
copper hare
Idk we queued a lil bit this week on around 2.2 mmr and we only faced 3k+/r1 people
not fun
and holy shit the meta feels awful
rotund trellis
I prefer 3s, but people leaving after one game is pathetic
at this point shuffle is the only way
mild thunder
pre sure everyone technically prefers 3s, it's just not as accessible or rewarding
rotund trellis
I still advocate for a no-rank-losing until 1800. If you lose, you get +5
mild thunder
why play 3s when you can queue solo and get 2400 for participating
rotund trellis
in heartstone is the same. You don't lose rank until platinum or something
or you lose like basically nothing
rotund trellis
I mean no, then you get 10 people in lfg, what do you prefer? the old shcool apporach and no one plays or a simpler system and people play?
mild thunder
that wouldnt really fix participation
it's fucked reward incentives and soloQ just being more accessible
they need to revamp lfg, mix up the rewards, gut soloQ inflation + rating gain
but they wont, soloQ is the future
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> slam build wen
https://youtu.be/GBgr7ievPAs
this gunna be us
rotund trellis
I'm not saying give away the glad mount or weapons, I'm just saying give people who never played pvp the chance of getting something out of it
rotund trellis
but they wont, soloQ is the future
I mean it is, I look at me and I have 45 minutes each day after work. If i spend 43 of them waiting in LFG, I prefer wait in SS at least I know I'll play 6 games
mild thunder
I'm not saying give away the glad mount or weapons, I'm just saying give people ...
there are plenty of rewards for newer/lower players already, esp in soloQ
elite sets are already way too low tbh
copper hare
I don't even understand how people are willingly queuing for shuffle all day and spend more time in queue than playing the actual game
rotund trellis
I agree on rewards on one point. Give no rank loss until the elite set, then increase cool shit for gladiators. So everyone gets something and the exclusivity of the high lvl prizes is still there
drifting elbow
Yo only got one spark is warboots or helm of vengeance better as a first craft
Any answer havers
bright stream
https://youtu.be/GBgr7ievPAs
this gunna be us
what a time to be fucking ALIVE that was
mild thunder
no rank loss is just an amazingly bad idea
and why should elite set be so easy to get? its ELITE
copper hare
yeah "elite" set for "rival" rank
rotund trellis
elite sets are already way too low tbh
I mean for you maybe, I come from PVE and started arena like 2 months ago and I'm stuck at 1500 in all modes. So no, it's not that accessible.
copper hare
that makes a lot of sense btw blizz
bright stream
taste for blood season 12 was the season I started learning to play pvp/arenas, and started warrior
goddamn
mild thunder
I mean for you maybe, I come from PVE and started arena like 2 months ago and I'...
and no offense, but it shouldnt be... if you're not an elite player, you shouldnt get an elite set
rotund trellis
Ok fine, then enjoy 10 people in LFG, 45 minutes queue in ss and so on
including hotfixes every 145 weeks
indigo barn
https://youtu.be/GBgr7ievPAs
this gunna be us
mild thunder
elite set being 1800 is unironically like me getting mythic 424 gear from doing a +5
bright stream
I don't even understand how people are willingly queuing for shuffle all day and...
it's because the LFG isn't just about wait times, it's about dealing with immature stoner ego children
rotund trellis
cause blizz won't allocate resources to this
bright stream
elite set being 1800 is unironically like me getting mythic 424 gear from doing ...
nah, +15s vs 1800 about the same, kinda the beginning of the intermediate player level
rotund trellis
there's no silver bullet, PVP is honestly amazing, but inaccessible for 95% of the playerbase
bright stream
I've played with a LOT of PvE kids, there's a lot of terrible raiders getting 15s done season to season
rotund trellis
nah, +15s vs 1800 about the same, kinda the beginning of the intermediate player...
lies. i run high keys in bfa and went 8/12 mythic in nyalotha. it's NOT as hard as PVP
tawny brook
Is the new set bonus good or bad
copper hare
I've played with a LOT of PvE kids, there's a lot of terrible raiders getting 15...
that's the thing, 15 isnt even average
20 is average for highest vault loot
xd
mild thunder
nah, +15s vs 1800 about the same, kinda the beginning of the intermediate player...
im saying that a mythic 424 piece requires you to be a mythic raider - you shouldnt get it from non-mythic content
elite sets should require you to be an elite player - not an 1800 soloQ player
rotund trellis
current PVP in my opinin, and again, i run mythic raids and 16/17s in bfa, it's WAY harder than that
copper hare
and you don't get 424 from m+ anyways
mild thunder
mythic raid isnt even hard tbh, it's just about time + guild
copper hare
current PVP in my opinin, and again, i run mythic raids and 16/17s in bfa, it's ...
what is that kind of comparison even
tawny brook
Here is the dick measuring contest
rotund trellis
im saying that a mythic 424 piece requires you to be a mythic raider - you shoul...
true, but the 424 gear is the max you can get, the 1800 set is NOT.
mild thunder
no, 424 gear is not the max you can get - the mount is
bright stream
lies. i run high keys in bfa and went 8/12 mythic in nyalotha. it's NOT as hard ...
depends, tanking? healing? in a non-CE mythic guild? Yeah that's easier than PvP.
many DPS classes in real CE prog are comparable to PvP difficulty
mild thunder
that's the final cosmetic reward for mythic raiding
rotund trellis
what is that kind of comparison even
it's not a comparion, I'm giving you my point of view of someone who played pve for 16 years and got into pvp 2 months ago.
tawny brook
These 2200 scrubs are a bunch of facerollers. Cant even hit 3k so easy 💯💯😎😎
bright stream
current PVP in my opinin, and again, i run mythic raids and 16/17s in bfa, it's ...
but is this just because you're bad at PvP?
#gottem
copper hare
dude, if you're stuck or 1.5 mmr or doing 15 keys, both is low average btw, you can't compare that
mild thunder
depends, tanking? healing? in a non-CE mythic guild? Yeah that's easier than PvP...
i meeeeaaan kinda????
dps classes in CE prog at the start of the season can be challenging... CE prog by end of season is a joke
copper hare
pvp gets harder the higher you get and pve gets harder with key level/world ranks
bright stream
i meeeeaaan kinda????
dps classes in CE prog at the start of the season can be c...
yeah, 100%
also depends if you're a 20%ile or 99%ile player, but if you're raiding and not aiming for 97+s every kill like
whats even the point
mild thunder
legit if you're raiding for an entire season, non-stop and you arent bordering on CE or getting it, you're bad/in a bad guild
rotund trellis
So basically, I give you my opinion as someone who started doing pvp and your answer is "dude u bad honestly?". Like, are you even real
course I'm bad i just started ffs
bright stream
legit if you're raiding for an entire season, non-stop and you arent bordering o...
depends on number of nights as well, 2 night guild - you might miss CE even if you're decent
copper hare
no your comparison is bad and makes no sense
elfin surge
oh man what's going on
rotund trellis
I'm giving you a feedback as an entry level player and you say "GET GUD"
bright stream
3 nights I agree with you tho
copper hare
thats the point
bright stream
I'm giving you a feedback as an entry level player and you say "GET GUD"
mythic raiding isn't entry level
copper hare
comparing pvp and pve in difficulty level is like comparing vegan food with hookers
rotund trellis
bright stream
around 3-5% of the player base does mythic raiding
sometimes it gets up to 10% towards the longer patches
bright stream
comparing pvp and pve in difficulty level is like comparing vegan food with hook...
strong agree
mild thunder
comparing pvp and pve in difficulty level is like comparing vegan food with hook...
exactly, they're fundamentally different
pvp is competing against other players for the same goal
pve is competing with other players for the same goal
rotund trellis
ok let's say the comparison is wrong, I'll take it. My point though still stands. PVP is inaccessible for the most, thus long queues and empty LFG. I love it more than pve, honestly, but again, as a new player it's definitely a rough experience.
and if you fail to cater to new players the pool gets stagnant
mild thunder
and if you fail to cater to new players the pool gets stagnant
sure, but destroying existing reward systems for newer players also fucks over existing players that have kept it alive
rotund trellis
sure, but destroying existing reward systems for newer players also fucks over e...
I mean I don't have a solution that's perfect, i just say that the problem is there and if blizz can't get new players in normal 3v3 lobbies, then you'll get Solo Shuffle for the rest of your life. So the "system" is dsadly dying
copper hare
ok let's say the comparison is wrong, I'll take it. My point though still stands...
Yeah but that's because pvp is a dead bracket in this game. Look at how small the range is for r1 pvp compared to m+
that already tells you that nobody plays pvp
mild thunder
pvp will just never be comparable to pve in participation
wow doesnt have that playerbase
rotund trellis
I agree!!! but it's sad because I think it has the most potential and it's the funniest mode in the game.
copper hare
It could had more potential but blizzard slaughtered the meta during the last years
specially now when nobody wants to heal anymore
for a good reason
mild thunder
there's also just not really a pool of potential players out there looking for something like wow pvp
pvp players generally play pvp games like LoL, CoD etc.
they're not looking at mmos as potential games
there's a reason even New World backed off from being a pvp game - there's just not a base for it
copper hare
most pvp players in wow are ogs that literally play that game for a decade
rotund trellis
and again, my point is, I''m a new PVPer, and it's definitely rough getting over the 1500 wall and the empty lobbies and people leaving the party after one game, and 45 miuntes solo suhffle queues. I don't wanna win all the prizes, I just wanna play more games.
rotund trellis
yeah I noticed
copper hare
And there is also certain pvp seasons where it didn't matter how good of a pvp understanding you have as long as you play some fotm meta shit and press your pve rotation
mild thunder
unchained
copper hare
Like I've seen locks that never reached 1.6 getting glad abusing double lock
rotund trellis
I think with heartsone they did a good job in revamping the ladder
like a really good one.
sharp meteor
Corrupted was great I asked people what I should play if I didn't wanna learn anything and just wanted a dragon so I rolled a Destro Warlock and got my dragon. I don't think that I even tried to juke once.
rotund trellis
If you finish the season (1 month) at a certain rank, getting htere the following month is super fast
copper hare
Like there is no point in pvp balancing the pvp meta constantly, because the player base is sooo small
rotund trellis
the punishment for losing a lower ranks is low
there are mid tier rewards that are obtainable by many
etc.
copper hare
Like I will never understand why they've never changed that r1 people can also get r1 with their alts
woeful solstice
I'm giving you a feedback as an entry level player and you say "GET GUD"
git gud
embrace the suck
copper hare
could have been so many more people actually trying for r1 instead
but there is no reason to because you know you'll get farmed by r1 premade alt team
and now they also fucked the glad range aswell with shuffle and capping inflation in the beginning
same with what Mud posted earlier, out of the top 10 mistweavers or dks it's between 2 different players or some shit
in shuffle that is
they literally don't care
sharp meteor
arms r1 gonna be like 5 mud alts 2 magnus 1 smexxin 4 laros
petkick gonna be 9 of the 10 unholy titles
copper hare
yeah why would normal people even try for something that is farmed by unemployed (most of them, not all) r1 players that have the time to spam queue all day with with their 6 alts
rotund trellis
yeah why would normal people even try for something that is farmed by unemployed...
Ngl I'd love some passive income to play wow more lol
bright stream
yeah why would normal people even try for something that is farmed by unemployed...
LOL
bro you can't undermine the competitive integrity of the 3v3 and other PvP ladders!
next you'll be saying many of the people that get gladiator mounts don't deserve them!
near delta
arms r1 gonna be like 5 mud alts 2 magnus 1 smexxin 4 laros
Top 5 or 6 MWs in EU and NA are both one guy too lol
Well feed in NA and bank in EU
copper hare
Ngl I'd love some passive income to play wow more lol
Got some back then when challenge Mode boosts were still a thing
And gold was actually valuable
Good times
copper hare
Wish I had held onto more of my mop-wod TCG.
Haha same
indigo barn
Got some back then when challenge Mode boosts were still a thing
Just be cloisterbro and solo all CMs while carrying 4 people
spice hornet
yeah why would normal people even try for something that is farmed by unemployed...
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copper hare
When magic rooster was 250k worth
rotund trellis
When magic rooster was 250k worth
hahahahah
indigo barn
Rooster went down to 80k in wod when duping was big
rotund trellis
good ol times
sharp meteor
Two buyers was like hour and a half in mop and two hours in wod which was like a super chill time
rotund trellis
3.7 secs
copper hare
Yeah was able to boost triple buyer in the end of mop with monk bug
rotund trellis
sharp meteor
Yeah was able to boost triple buyer in the end of mop with monk bug
My tank wouldn't play monk because he couldn't find a mog he liked
copper hare
Sad, monk was too fun with vengeance
sharp meteor
Yer.
indigo barn
Healer was there for externals
sharp meteor
Yeah, ps tank then do damage.
indigo barn
It's funny how bm went from strong to one of the most OP tanks in wow history in WOD
I don't think blackhand CE was possible W/O one
fiery oxide
can you still reflect the hunt?
sharp meteor
You can reflect the dot.
fiery oxide
ah
sharp meteor
serious question: what should have I done:
I mean a parry in there would've stopped all that.
That's hunt and spear.
rotund trellis
ok I'm definitely not that fast then
sharp meteor
can you still reflect the hunt?
Okay, so, hunt dot is applied instantly when the cast finishes, and can be reflected/grounded. The initial damage doesn't happen until the DH hits you, and this damage can be parried.
Spell reflect should also be a 20% reduction to the initial hit.
rotund trellis
ok ty
sharp meteor
ok I'm definitely not that fast then
Yeah, just trinket/parry into that and you'd have been fine.
Ideally as high as possible but it's tricky because you need to get out of the stun and to parry high
but also don't want dh fake casting the hunt
and has to be on warbreaker/spear
rotund trellis
I can affirm with 100% confidence that I'm never gonna make it to a point where i can evaluate the game in 2.1 seconds
I deserve the losses lol
sharp meteor
I mean what do you usually want to do to somebody asap
bolt warbreaker roar/spear etc
you're trying to kill somebody doing that
and they've got to make sure you don't by pressing something usually
trinket wall, trinket port, block, whatever
rotund trellis
true, I mean in 16 seconds from gate opening i died, it's fucking miserable as a play experience lol
sharp meteor
Ye well that's just
more or less how arena works
bit slower or faster from time to time
but if one team presses all their offensive buttons into somebody then they die
healer often can't save
like in general dps self save first
indigo barn
sharp meteor
I definitely am too old and slow for this ngl
can be pretty slow
just need to know what you're using when
ww sweeps/images your partner without ccing you then you can just fear
he trinkets you bolt out
can be hard to not play reactively tho
plenty of high rated players randomly dying
thick reef
Alright seriously, Which one of you gave a 2h for a slam build?
grand scaffold
nice!
rotund trellis
nice!
NOT REALLY I WENT 0-6 RIGHT AFTER, AND 3-3 AFTER, SO i LOST RANKS lol
caps sorry
grand scaffold
it happens
lean burrow
am I retarded? how long does it take to learn playing other classes?
cuz I got 3-3, 2-4, 2-4 on 1.7k
on bm hunt
grand scaffold
to play a class well?
about 2 seasons
took me 2 seasons to learn lock
and 2 to learn warrior
next one im gonna learn is rogue
lean burrow
i already know what all classes are supposed to do, but lose to shitters because i'm shit hunter
sharp meteor
usually you can just look at what good player does and mimic it enough to be semi useful as you actually learn it
grand scaffold
@lean burrow do you know anybody that plays hunter well?
lean burrow
wdym
sharp meteor
helps to know somebody u can be like
grand scaffold
do you know anybody on wow that plays hunter well
sharp meteor
hey what do u do vs this
grand scaffold
^
mild thunder
<@299170706749652992> do you know anybody that plays hunter well?
Not @wheat jay
lean burrow
i'm just getting elite sets on all classes
grand scaffold
i had a r1 rdru friend that taught me what i was doing wrong with every class ive played with him
sharp meteor
i'm just getting elite sets on all classes
same nearly done, just evoker and ret left
grand scaffold
if you got somebody that plays hunter play with them and ask them if they can notice anything going wrong
stuff like that
really helps
rotund trellis
another 3-3
one of the healer was really bad sadly
it was like, one healer 6-0 the other 0-6 everyone else 3-3
woeful solstice
serious question: what should have I done:
spell reflect and parry. d stance
unique fox
cant wait to finally run my slam oneshot build
modern veldt
just a curious question but will season 1 go into off season in 10.0.7?
sharp meteor
Season ends with 10.1
mild thunder
Off-season? This ain’t the nfl
sharp meteor
I thought that was between expansions.
And maybe like 1 week break between seasons?
tawny brook
Have often does dh have to do that dash to keep up the momentum buff?
indigo barn
Off season is the week or 2 between a patch/expac launch and the season for pve and PvP start
scarlet flame
how make arms not dink my skull in
LOL
kindred viper
(4) Set Bonus: Deep Wounds critical strikes have a chance to increase the damage of your next Slam by 25%, stacking 10 times, and cause it to strike up to 4 additional targets for 50% damage.
They keep wanna make us use slam
scarlet flame
damn thats tough to read
mild thunder
(4) Set Bonus: Deep Wounds critical strikes have a chance to increase the damage...
oh no, they're trying to add an extra iq point to the arms rotation
the tier set is great, nothing to complain about
scarlet flame
fury 4 set looks good
mild thunder
fury 4 set is kinda weird, but yea could be very good
arms tier set will surely get nerfed, it's just way too powerful
scarlet flame
wym its mediocre in pvp
mild thunder
whats 250% of like 20k crits
what?
slam already crits for 60k-80k during burst windows
scarlet flame
its 10% chance and damage
green wyvern
actually not ok-ish in pve, its pretty big in pve
mild thunder
it'll be hitting >200k crits with tier set
scarlet flame
what?
slam already crits for 60k-80k during burst windows
never hit that hard with slam
green wyvern
crit is dampened in pvp next season
scarlet flame
yeah ig using slam with my cds up isn't testing it properly
mild thunder
and slam has enough crit mods to still do 200% crit dmg
scarlet flame
yeah i mean crit is getting nerfed but you're acting like its going to do zero damage
scarlet flame
and fury is just not a good spec
mild thunder
sure, crit is getting nerfed, arms already has builds that work around/without crit right now
arms does very well in slower, dampen metas
arms tier set is also insanely strong so far
mild thunder
fury will still have the same problems of being squishy and struggling into soloQ dampen
arms crits in general will still be doing >170%
green wyvern
also archi thinks 2 set bonus will get nerfed
its too good in pve
for a 2 set bonus that is
mild thunder
well based on what we know so far, and it hasnt been, arms is looking very good
scarlet flame
im fine with it if it makes slam do big numbies
just hope its not as useless as it is now and end up as a dead 4 set
green wyvern
it wont
scarlet flame
okay well forgive me if im not going to agree with someone who says arms is a dead spec next season
green wyvern
also it requires deep wounds to crit
green wyvern
how often does deep wounds hit
mild thunder
deep wounds crits reasonably often, more with bloodletting and a fair bit when aoe-ing
we can also use sks to expedite stacking
scarlet flame
you mean crit or tick
green wyvern
my point is you wont get 250% slam bonus often
and its additive with already existing bonuses
mild thunder
you dont need it often... will probably end up getting it every 30-40s thereabouts
green wyvern
so I guess 350% increased dmg on slam or something
and slam is like 50% of ap
probably less
scarlet flame
with ashkandi having a weapon effect you think its going to be required for pvp or nah
scarlet flame
i really dont care what pvers think about pvp tho
mild thunder
slam is also already buffed by 40% in pvp
where do they say it's bad?
they say it's not rotationally impactful - not that it's bad at all
scarlet flame
i dont see how pvers talking about rotations matter for pvp at all tho
if you can build slam to do 150k damage you're going to press it lmao
scarlet flame
it has a cooldown?
mild thunder
no...
scarlet flame
you're telling me if you had 2 abilities that did the same damage you'd only use 1 of them?
mild thunder
on current numbers, it'll hit harder than ms AND has a significantly higher crit chance
scarlet flame
then use it once every 30 seconds
and idk about you but my mortal strike is regular like 80k crits with no cds
with cds its like 100-120k maybe that
so if i can make slam do 150k im going to press it
mild thunder
nah bro, it's bad, it's so bad, everyone reroll fury, arms is so bad 🤡
green wyvern
it is bad
scarlet flame
fury is dogshit bro
its tier set isn't going to make it magically better than arms
mild thunder
pve-ers are saying the tier set is bad bro, source is trust me bro
green wyvern
no u are coping
scarlet flame
im not coping
fury is trash
you're talking about pve players opinions and pasting it on pvp situations
green wyvern
its not about fury being trash (it wont be)
its about arms getting fucked with crit changes and now tier set
scarlet flame
if your opinions on pvp are formed from pve you need to reevaluate your opinions
i dont play arms for crits as bleed build
green wyvern
????
scarlet flame
spear gets a little worse but it still has 25% crit damage in talents
scarlet flame
you act like you never crit
green wyvern
nah
mild thunder
you dont even need to go full crit for slam bro, it has a built-in +30% crit chance
and deep wounds you can work around other ways (sks, aoe, bloodletting etc.)
scarlet flame
your bleeds already have 5% chance to crit
you get 10% more crit chance from your 2 set
you run 20% crit
you are critting enough
scarlet flame
haste makes it hit more often
you can use sks to fish for more crits
you're coping so hard its hurting my brain
mild thunder
deep wounds hits once every 1.5 secs and has a 1/5 chance to crit
how did you read 20% there? he gave you a 35% crit chance
green wyvern
ok 35% crit chance its whatever
mild thunder
and you're only counting on a single-target, and not counting extra ticks from sks
lean island
mikedh go play dh so, u have op tier set
muted surge
Hello, 4p bad?
Seems kinda toxic tho
And shit in pve, I can see the nerfs to slam :>
green wyvern
I think they will change 4p
scarlet flame
i dont like the 4 piece id rather it be designed how it is now but its not garbage
mild thunder
wait, does slam need to be nerfed or is the 4p bad? kinda getting mixed signals
green wyvern
it forces pvers into using additional button for m+
unique fox
Wonder if you'll be able to proc it with sweeping strikes so you just gib someone with the echoed damage
green wyvern
and cleave rotation is already bloated
mild thunder
it forces pvers into using additional button for m+
oh no, the horror 😲
green wyvern
so they will change it most likely
mild thunder
im absolutely appalled
muted surge
and cleave rotation is already bloated
You press it once every min
lean island
it forces pvers into using additional button for m+
pvers spec fury
muted surge
Not that bloated is it
green wyvern
it is
green wyvern
ye
scarlet flame
okay so you think arms is dogshit, base your opinions for pvp on what pvers say, think fury is going to be better just because its tier set is better, but also think they're going to nerf both 2 set and 4 set because its too good in pve
unique fox
just glad i wont have to press dogshit rend
green wyvern
I dont base my opinions on pve
quick carbon
Thinking fury will be better than arms is super omega cooked
scarlet flame
everything you've said is because of something a pver said
quick carbon
just glad i wont have to press dogshit rend
Rend good if u take talents for it
green wyvern
no?
scarlet flame
yes?
green wyvern
then u need your eyes checked
scarlet flame
"its bad in pvp because pvers dont want to use it"
green wyvern
I mentioned archi said the 4pc isnt that good in pve
mild thunder
then ur cooker
misspoke 
argument lost
scarlet flame
no one gives a shit about pve in the pvp channel
green wyvern
compared to other specs
quick carbon
Something being bad in pve has no bearing on pvp man
green wyvern
I mean its good, u use it once every 1 min
scarlet flame
i use avatar every 1.5 minutes
quick carbon
OKAY U SAID ITS GOOD
green wyvern
but the gameplay change is insignificant
scarlet flame
is it not good in pvp?
green wyvern
and since viable only once every 1 min
muted surge
but the gameplay change is insignificant
Cooked
mild thunder
"it's bad because pveers say it's bad, but actually they said it's not bad but it's still bad"
amazing
mild thunder
we dont know if it's good/bad in pve or not
quick carbon
u can probably get some rlly consistent burst windows off with it
mild thunder
it isn't open for testing
muted surge
It’s bad simply because of the talent investment atm
scarlet flame
dont even know if its going to be good in pvp either
mild thunder
it's far easier to theorycraft it in pvp than in pve
quick carbon
the talent investment is a better argument for its viability
mild thunder
because we already know how hard it hits on current numbers
scarlet flame
will you even have to invest into the talents?
green wyvern
it just forces u into like 2 additional talents + another button in m+
mild thunder
yes
muted surge
You want the 3? Slam talents
mild thunder
slam is a 4 point dump overall, and you'll want all of them most likely
scarlet flame
imp slam is actually kinda gross
quick carbon
even if u have to invest in the talents of its gonna give u 80k or something slams after a 100k Ms then it seems super worth