pvp

[scarlet flame]

Lmao

[undone pumice]

the dmg is what fucks

[mild thunder]

it's a boring talent anyway

[scarlet flame]

Wym

All of the pvp talents are boring dogshit

[mild thunder]

even if it werent nerfed, you'd probably be better off running new rebound anyway

[scarlet flame]

Rebound is garbage

[mild thunder]

it's... getting buffed

[scarlet flame]

Wa alarm 🚨 rebound 🚨 ice lance x2

[mild thunder]

omg it's almost like you can time spell reflect better

[frank knoll]

Warbringer does kill through aspect of the turtle which is cool

[scarlet flame]

It’s almost like they can react to it too

[mild thunder]

stupidest interaction, but always funny

[frank knoll]

I’ve been a demolition/short rally enjoyer lately

[scarlet flame]

Rally talent will be cool to run

[frank knoll]

I’ve been running demo/short rally/sharpen

[mild thunder]

idk i still sometimes run demo into lock

but cbf into mw, just swap targets

[scarlet flame]

Demo + throw can 1 shot monk bubble

[frank knoll]

Cause people in shuffle die easy so if I have some tools to help save them why not

[scarlet flame]

That shit fucks hard

[mild thunder]

if you have all mods + crit, sure

but if you're doing that you can also just swap and get another defensive

[scarlet flame]

Demo + throw without cds and crit can still do like 60%

[mild thunder]

even for someone running a full-crit build there's only a ~30% chance of critting that

arms is so insanely good at swapping anyway, may as well

[scarlet flame]

It’s still good into dark pact and rapture bubs

[frank knoll]

Yeah

[scarlet flame]

And pally shield

[frank knoll]

Everyone and their brother has an absorb shield now

[scarlet flame]

Pretty sure it works on dk shit too

[mild thunder]

i mean shield of veng is basically one ms anyway

but yea it's handy

[scarlet flame]

Bruh that shield is huge sometimes

[frank knoll]

I wouldn’t say demo is baseline but I take it a lot

Even vs mages

[scarlet flame]

I don’t take demo like ever but I do run throw

[mild thunder]

i dont think ive swapped out of wreck in ages

[frank knoll]

Short rally rules too

[mild thunder]

not like the talent is gamechanging to put anywhere else

[scarlet flame]

Yeah there’s just a bunch of shields I love it

[frank knoll]

I’ll use it in the opener in shuffle, since at my rating people just run to mid and press all their CDs, will help save the team for the first too minutes

[mild thunder]

short rally is eh

probs better in soloQ

[frank knoll]

Regular rally : 15% more HP on a 3 min CD is bad on its own imo

[mild thunder]

have to pair it w/ inspriring presence too

[frank knoll]

Yeah ofc

[scarlet flame]

imp pres + short rally is huge hp

[mild thunder]

35% hp on 2min CD is pretty decent

meta is still quick enough that you're not always getting that second rally off tho

unless you're literally throwing it in the opener almost every game

[scarlet flame]

i think i care less about the cd and more about how much hp it gives

[mild thunder]

might start running it into jungle

that or duel

[scarlet flame]

i personally hate duel both rogue and warrior versions

[mild thunder]

i need to run duel more often

it's so underrated

[scarlet flame]

i kinda like how its a fire and forget type of defensive ability ig

for warrior at least

[mild thunder]

very handy for deathmark windows

[frank knoll]

I’ve never used Duel

[mild thunder]

since they've already commit

[scarlet flame]

good when kiting or being kited too

[frank knoll]

Does duel snap shot

[scarlet flame]

wym

[frank knoll]

Or is it dynamic

[mild thunder]

pre much everything in the game is dynamic now

[grand scaffold]

i dont really ever use duel tbh

[mild thunder]

except for feral stuff, by design

[grand scaffold]

hard to find a time to use duel

[scarlet flame]

i dont but with warbringer nerfed in damage it opens up other talents that are worse to be used

[grand scaffold]

warbringer nerf is stupid as shit

[scarlet flame]

i fully agree

[frank knoll]

Like, if a rogue uses deathmark will it only effect DoTs applied after deathmark or will it DR the Dots on the target already

[scarlet flame]

but nothing you can do about it ig

[mild thunder]

the only problem with duel is that it relies on you being a difficult/pointless target to swap to

and right now arms is a decent target to swap to lmao

[scarlet flame]

its like a wall so its dynamic

and duel reduces your damage to anyone else by 50% too

which blows even more

[frank knoll]

I’m gonna be doing some Duel tonight boys

If I decide to log on

[scarlet flame]

im just happy they haven't nerfed sharpen blade 🙂

[mild thunder]

only other thing im not sure of is if it interacts with pets

i remember reading that it does, but not sure

[grand scaffold]

they cant nerf sharpen blade

its not op

its not 8 sec 2 charge hemotoxin at 40%

[scarlet flame]

i have heard a ton of people say 50% ms is op, i do not agree

[grand scaffold]

its 5 sec 50%

[scarlet flame]

hemo also got nerfed

[grand scaffold]

i know

hemo was insane

you could have 16 sec of 40%

its not like arms 5 sec which is basically 1/3 of hemo toxin duration

[scarlet flame]

ye i agree with you

i've just heard people in SS and streams/bgs say sharpen is op

and am happy its not being nerfed

[grand scaffold]

yeah thats because people hate on warr

tbh

[scarlet flame]

I know 🙂

A warlock the other day was trying to tell me that warriors were the most op class because they have a high representation in arena and ss

🙂

[grand scaffold]

bro people are dumb

really dumb

like ever heard of fotm?

😂

[scarlet flame]

“Warriors and disc priests are the best classes because they have the highest representation”

[grand scaffold]

frost mage is way more op than warr and doesnt have near the same representation

[scarlet flame]

Ok mr warlock 👍

[grand scaffold]

😂

[scarlet flame]

Now that assass got nerfed warlock is the best class in the game but his melee SS lobbies he gets bodied in cloud his views

[grand scaffold]

eh

frost mage > warlock

[scarlet flame]

I hate both 😂

[grand scaffold]

elemental even more annoying

[scarlet flame]

I can stick to them easier so it’s less bad

Imo

[grand scaffold]

you cant stop ele dmg tho

can stop frost dmg

[scarlet flame]

I always trust my healer to keep me up

[grand scaffold]

i never do

😂

[scarlet flame]

Two way street bruh if you don’t they don’t

[thick reef]

How do you deal with mage in solo shuffle?

I'm getting flamed for getting kited

[scarlet flame]

Depends what n the other classes

Is it like just you as melee?

[thick reef]

Rogue and Me, rogue is flaming me in whispers now

[scarlet flame]

What were all the classes

[thick reef]

bm hunter

[scarlet flame]

And mage?

[thick reef]

arcane mage was opposite team

ye

[scarlet flame]

Who was ur healer

[thick reef]

resto sham or disc depending on round

[scarlet flame]

Kinda hard

[thick reef]

Got told I was shit and boosted B-)

at 1.5k rating lmao

[scarlet flame]

Warbanner timing and placing matters a ton vs that team

Also rogue should be disrupting more than damage because the only thing you have is damage compared to them

[thick reef]

Im fury so no banner lmao

[scarlet flame]

Well don’t play fury

And if someone at 1500 is flaming you just ignore it they’re dogshit

[thick reef]

ye true

I hate pvp honestly i just want my nice elite set then I can go back to killing dragons

[scarlet flame]

that matchup is really hard without someway to give you freedom

was he sub rogue

[thick reef]

outlaw

[scarlet flame]

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

fuck him hes actually braindead

outlaw is like the literal worst spec in the entire game

[thick reef]

I'll try arms next match

but I always do way more damage than everybody else, I know that doesn't really matter but I have pressure if people actually choose a target I can stick to

[scarlet flame]

in that specific matchup you have no way to get freedom, and hunter + mage is a nightmare to deal with as a warrior without someway to get out of all their roots/cc

ideally your rogue lets you zug and he deals with disruption

but its 1500 SS so planning around each others CDS and burst windows and knowing the role of your class isn't exactly going to happen lmao

also as fury you dont have bladestorm right so its even worse

[green anchor]

Does that talent that makes Bloodthirst remove roots still exist?

[frank knoll]

No, instead you have bloodrage

[grand scaffold]

no

but it was fun as shit in bfa

[green anchor]

rip

[sage raptor]

What is this telling you

That melee dps can get precog too

[wary harbor]

imagine all the missclick kicks on yourself, the value

[sage raptor]

I wouldn't mind giga haste for a silly little accident

[grand scaffold]

imagine some idiot tries to kick shatter

[frank knoll]

That’s almost as funny as when I’m on my warlock alt and someone disarms me

[fickle forge]

That's a power move

[bright cloak]

might be me, I fumble keys on my warrior all the time : - )

[green anchor]

same, fat fingering

[grand scaffold]

ugh

got to 2780 on fury and lost 55 points instantly

got into a game with an arms warrior and elemental

and fire mage

worst matchup ever

[rotund trellis]

rip

[grand scaffold]

you played solo shuffle since you read the advice?

[rotund trellis]

yes! went 3-3 then 4-2

and after a 45 minutes queue I quit, for some heartstone

[grand scaffold]

bro

i wasted 800$ on hearthstone and got addicted to disenchanting cards

never ever playing that game again

😂

[rotund trellis]

fuck I did the same, stopped buying cards after a big spending, then quit for a couple of years and dusted all my cards to create a deck when I got back. now I'm back at buying packs LOL

[grand scaffold]

bro

that games marketing is too good

[rotund trellis]

well to their credit that is the best digital tcg ever made

it's smooth as butter and insanely fun

[grand scaffold]

its my fav game aside from wow but i wont play it again

[rotund trellis]

hahahah fair and I respect that

[grand scaffold]

🙂

[rotund trellis]

HS is the only game I watch on twitch and follow pro scene

[grand scaffold]

bro i got literally depressed for 3 months after doing that

[rotund trellis]

I've been always into card games, magic yougi etc. I love them

I know the feeling lol

[grand scaffold]

do you play physical card games?

[rotund trellis]

I did play magic in the 90s / early 2000s and yugi later on, got to regional championships in yugi, lost at the nationals

[grand scaffold]

wow

[rotund trellis]

Now I play lots of board games with my friends, mainly deck buidling board games

[grand scaffold]

have you tried playing runeterra?

that game is awful lmao

[rotund trellis]

as a matter of facts tonight we got a Dune Imperium night

never tried runeterra

[grand scaffold]

dont bother

its awful

[rotund trellis]

lol I trust you on that

I think I got the beta to try and I hated it

[grand scaffold]

bro its just horrid

like the games design makes no sense

at all

[rotund trellis]

worse than the valve one?

[grand scaffold]

you literally hit a wall with your cards and somehow break a nexus

[rotund trellis]

what was it again?

artifact?

[grand scaffold]

nah

i tried hearthstone then runeterra to cope

then i gave up on online card games

[rotund trellis]

I mean it's a good move, they're expensive

[grand scaffold]

very

and very addictive

[rotund trellis]

true

I think it's the collection aspect of it, and the art. what got me into magic was the beautiful art of the cards

and collecting them

[grand scaffold]

bruh its not even that

i used to be friends with some guy

and he kicked the fuck out of me in that game

so i spent money to kick his ass

then

he kicked my ass again

endless cycle

then you get bored of a deck

and disenchant to save money

then regret disenchanting

and therefor dont enjoy the new deck knowing you lost value

[rotund trellis]

hahahah so true the cycle is real

card games strategy is much more subtle than other games

like takes a lot of practise

[grand scaffold]

ive not played hearthstone for like 6 months now

ide have a serious collection of cards just from logging in

but eh

[rotund trellis]

keep it like that, it's always the same game

[grand scaffold]

yeah

btw are you on wow rn

[rotund trellis]

I can be, I'm on HS lol

to kill time before lunch

[grand scaffold]

lemme know if you log on

i have an idea to help you improve

[rotund trellis]

I'm logging

[grand scaffold]

ok

[frank knoll]

My friend was head of the Heartstone club in college, has some similar stories

[grand scaffold]

bro hearthstone is cancerous

[frank knoll]

Looking at this Ret “rework” looks like they just got some new talents and a bunch of nerfs

[grand scaffold]

no

ret rework

rets look baller

[frank knoll]

I just read the 10.0.7 patch notes, looks like they got a bunch of nerfs

[sage raptor]

With added sustain

[lean burrow]

rets with 23 yd final verdict and blade of justice

ranged melee

and 8 yd autoattack I think

[grand scaffold]

surv hunter with self healing

smh

[wheat jay]

O_O

what

gimme gimme

[grand scaffold]

bro

rets

final verdict

23 yd range

same with blade of justice

its looking appealing

[wheat jay]

xd

[rotund trellis]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/vicious-war-snail-dragonflight-season-2-pvp-mounts-coming-in-patch-10-1-331808

Jesus Christ its horrible. Looks like a turd

[sharp meteor]

looks sick wym

[rotund trellis]

Its helm looks like a colander ffs

[wheat jay]

TURD MOUNT LETS GOOOO

[frank knoll]

Did they get the mobility thing? Or Divine protection?

Also why didn’t DH get buffed

[grand scaffold]

dh's do not need a buff lmao

[copper hare]

every game bm hunter

every fucking game

xd

jumping around as fast as verstappen

doing 40k pure single target dps

holy df pvp is so dogshit

[green anchor]

I wish pvp wasn't so zug zug

dying in opener sucks

[copper hare]

idk it's legit everything

caster dont need to cast

classes like bm shouldnt do the most single target dmg by far

healing too low

dmg too high

shuffle is fucked anyways except for people that are unemployed

[sharp meteor]

dying opener is misusing cds and/or positioning poorly

[green anchor]

yeah

being forced to trinket and use parry is awesome gameplay

[sharp meteor]

??

"why do i have to use defensive abilities in response to offensive abilities to live"

[frank knoll]

Does anyone legit enjoy BM gameplay, I wonder

[wheat jay]

no

if they are they are scum

and deserve prison

[wooden grove]

Less keybinds more pew pew

[frank knoll]

I’d play sv if anything
Bm is a snooze fest

[wheat jay]

i tried bm

boring

as

fuck

2 buttons

full range

0 casting

[wooden grove]

That’s why it should never be too op just like DH

Too easy shouldn’t be op af

Let’s make rogue and mage op amirite

[frank knoll]

DH has more depth now that BM

[dark sparrow]

Yea man they use their cool-downs and I can’t just live without any cds used on our side, what a bad game

[feral barn]

real talk, you guys restart your solo shuffle queue when it gets to 30 minutes?

or let it play out

[frank knoll]

Does saddle progress reset next week?

[sharp meteor]

Why would it?

[grand scaffold]

no new season = no saddle progress reset

[sharp meteor]

10.0.7 ain't even on Tuesday (which doesn't end the season).

[grand scaffold]

it doesnt?

so you mean

10.0.7 is gonna rework rets mid season?

[spice hornet]

yes

[wheat jay]

ye

10.0.7 is just small patch

[wheat jay]

20

sometimes even 10 xD

[grand scaffold]

when does 10.0.7 start?

[spice hornet]

isnt it in like 2 weeks

[grand scaffold]

idk

[green wyvern]

10.0.7 is trash

they nerfed ret to the ground

[grand scaffold]

so you mean you arent happy ret is being nerfed?

as a warrior

🤨

[green wyvern]

I mean 10.0.7 doesnt bring anything new

[wheat jay]

game is over for pvp

until 10.1

xD

[grand scaffold]

the 10.0.7 changes are cold vomit

[topaz tulip]

Doesn't it still reduce damage at least?

Cuz if not I hate myself for all the fat fingering even more lol

[green lintel]

[wheat jay]

i mean

its ret rework

10.0.7 is not a big patch

its more like a balance changes

[frank knoll]

Is Ret worth leveling

[tepid stag]

Can rogues evasion the spear drag back?

[frank knoll]

Or should I just go DH, need a fun alt

[dapper cypress]

fuck me
how to kill fucking bm in 2on2...
my healer eats all the traps

[wheat jay]

tell healer to stop being a glutton

[tepid stag]

How much vers do the fully geared blokes have

[thick reef]

p sure

like the debuff of spear i feel like they can dodge

[tepid stag]

oh

Are there other weird interactions

I feel like it’s inconsistent

[frank knoll]

Human heritage armor looks sick

[mild thunder]

It’s a whole new zone

But yea I don’t know what about it could be called bad

[wheat jay]

is it xD?

if so then good

but ye, 10.0.x patches won't be HUGE

[mild thunder]

B r u h

[wheat jay]

bro trust me

i had 0 itnerest in wow in 10.0

xD

in 10.1 ill be moving my hunt to diff server and play pve on it

cuz fuck pvp

1800 and chill

[mild thunder]

Ew

Ew ew ew

[wheat jay]

i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

warrior weak in pve now

best in m+ tho xD

[topaz tulip]

weak in pve?

[wheat jay]

ill be chilling on survi as bench again

[mild thunder]

Warrior isn’t weak in pve…

What

[wheat jay]

it is on ST afaik

haven't rly checked in a while xD

[mild thunder]

Arms is one of the best single-target specs in the game, and iirc a very strong burst aoe spec now too

The only issue it’s had was the restriction of the old tree to only being aoe or only being ST, but that was fixed

[wheat jay]

fair enough

i stand corrected then

[mild thunder]

Sv is absolutely swampass tho

[wheat jay]

ye it is

but i like it

and im bench anyway, cuz of my schedule xD

[mild thunder]

Fury of the eagle is such a boring ability

[wheat jay]

it is

so is spearhead

[mild thunder]

Why does it exist

Old spearhead was cool

[topaz tulip]

Yeah no, arms is parsing as one of the highest st dps in the game, fury as one of the highest aoe, and the difference between the two in a given situation is pretty minor

[wheat jay]

ye

[topaz tulip]

meanwhile prot is literally "the tank" for this season

[mild thunder]

Sv tree should be getting reworked in 10.1, it’s pre shit

[wheat jay]

it should haha

[topaz tulip]

Think higher ilvls had something to do with it too, cuz we were sitting pretty low until a couple weeks ago

[green anchor]

Arms is 🔥 in M+

thank god they fixed the talent trees

[topaz tulip]

it is but I still prefer fury. Sweeping being on gcd makes me hate the whole thing lol

[green anchor]

Fury got boring fast for me

Blow, Blow, Rampage, repeat

[thick reef]

umm

i swear iv seen

monks first of fury parry my spear

as well b4

[topaz tulip]

they've changed the build enough that it doesn't bother me much. been a new build like every 3 weeks

[mild thunder]

Yep

[thick reef]

yea its kinda weird'

i think its cuz

[mild thunder]

Don’t spear during fist or evasion, and try not to during fort brew

It’s because it’s phys

[thick reef]

its physical now

yea

[topaz tulip]

besides the fact that almost ever spec has a way to jump out of it?

or push you out so you don't get the crit?

[rancid nymph]

is there a list of pvp macros?

can't find any

[topaz tulip]

Check the spec channels, there are some pinned in there. Only ones I really use are for charge/int, cancel bs, and stance swap, which you can find there.

[tepid stag]

Damn…

[thick reef]

yea

n like we said some classes can just use defensives adnd avoid it

lol

[tepid stag]

I liked roar better anyway

https://tenor.com/view/crycat-crying-cat-crying-cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-ok-gif-22851318

[thick reef]

i feel lke both r good

preference for sure

some are better in certain cases

[topaz tulip]

You haven't seen the interactions? Evoks fly out, monks drop a bounce house or fof, rogs evade, locks portal, pally bubble and walk, mages teleport, priests dome, and everyone else has some form of evade or parry that can null the initial hit. But of course, our biggest counter will always be the almighty wiff

[mild thunder]

Spear is still incredibly strong, as always, just need to know when and where to use it

[thick reef]

^^

lol

[topaz tulip]

true

[copper hare]

arms is literally the best ST spec with unholy

idk what you're smoking

[wheat jay]

Crack

[wooden grove]

Plays surv smokes crack

Checks out

[copper hare]

fair enough

[wheat jay]

I have strong arms tho

After years of playing arms warr

[warped warren]

armsvival hunter

[wheat jay]

[swift folio]

what are the deciding factors betwenchoosing a thunderous roar or spear build ,or are they both equally good ?

[wheat jay]

Depends what value you get from it

Against ret spear is useless

Against dk too

Against mage its good

[green lintel]

How do you even play against frost mages and locks

u are just perma slowed and rooted

literally cant move

[wheat jay]

You play Smart with your mobility

And waddle your way to them xD

[swift folio]

do you time spell reflect for glacial spike or chaos bolt ?

or just press it on cd

[green lintel]

feel like glacial spike is prio

[sharp meteor]

u hope they get bored and int

actually such a horrific thing to queue into as arms lmao

[tepid stag]

idk what frost mages do tbh I quit when fire mages were meta with the gpies and combust and all that. What cds do I look out for?

[topaz tulip]

Glacial spike is prio, but also the amount of time they spend spamming shards at you doesn't always make that possible. dive in hard, hide behind pillars so healer can save you, and try not to blow all your mobility in one shot.

[sharp meteor]

so like if u line then they just pelt teammate

[topaz tulip]

their abilities slow you. Get hit by too many and you get rooted. You charge to them and they use an aoe root

[sharp meteor]

playing back is what u have to do but

it's basically hoping they're bad

[tepid stag]

Ye I noticed spike gives me boo boo

[sharp meteor]

ya its like a 180-230k hit

that's doable while moving

it also splits and roots

[topaz tulip]

Or that you're on a map where both of you can hide effectively

[sharp meteor]

i am so happy to queue into arms on frost in shuff

[mild thunder]

If it’s in 3s and you’re playing a melee cleave, splitting targets is a viable strat

To slow down both their damage and avoid bane and split glacials

And then just come together on burst

[tepid stag]

Ok aoe root, slows into a root and the typical blink poly db?

[mild thunder]

Caster cleaves like that also very often play with an rdruid, which are always very viable swap targets

[topaz tulip]

Yeah. I find I perform best with another melee into frost specifically. Always feel bad when I'm the one that dies though xD

[tepid stag]

And I press smth when he pops icy veins?

[topaz tulip]

Just assume any time you're on top of them that blink is off cd. Poly honestly isn't as annoying as it could be

[mild thunder]

Melee cleaves in general are horrible right now. Best to avoid playing them unless you have no choice

[sharp meteor]

icy veins lasts like 35 seconds or somethin

parry does next to nothing into that

it's like minor coverage at best

[topaz tulip]

I didn't intend to. I don't have 2's/3's friends ;-;

[tepid stag]

Hide then I guess?

[mild thunder]

Only hide if you have to

Best to stay as aggressive as possible imo

[sharp meteor]

walking away and not doing damage is death

[tepid stag]

Also against evoker dps and frost mage which is less horrible to try kill

[topaz tulip]

evok by far

[mild thunder]

Arms is a pressure spec, not playing aggressive or giving up pressure like that is almost always a certified loss

[tepid stag]

I schee

[mild thunder]

I’d probably be hitting mage. Trying to chase a devoker with frost cc would be aids, and if you can get on top of a mage they die pretty quickly

[topaz tulip]

You hide when you're getting blown up and can't stop it, just long enough for some heals. You fight at every other point in time

[mild thunder]

But you should never be tunnelling one target regardless

[topaz tulip]

You say that like two blinks and two displacements also isn't aids

[tepid stag]

I got my ankles broken by chasing a frost mage in damp the evoker somehow yeeted him across the map

[topaz tulip]

at least the evok just has the increased ms that you can still cut and one far dash

[mild thunder]

Yea they do that… just be aware of what mobility they have available, don’t throw your mobility away at a stupid moment, save avatar and bladestorm for cc breaks instead of damage etc

You’ll be fine

[tepid stag]

And he does this Aurelion sol channel ability that chunks me as well

[topaz tulip]

lmfao

[mild thunder]

Evoker also has multiple schools of magic so you get slightly less out of kicking them than a frost mage

And you need to be stopping polys

[topaz tulip]

I can't remember the range on disintegrate but you should be able to get out of it

[tepid stag]

Ye disintegrate

[mild thunder]

Channels finish channeling regardless of range or los iirc

[topaz tulip]

Hmm

[mild thunder]

Same as rapid fire (cringe)

[swift folio]

that moment when you spell reflect disintegrade tho

[tepid stag]

how much Stam should I have with full gear? Currently around 376 still need cape, gloves and weap

fighting like 450k+ warlocks and a fair few clothies have more stam than me

[swift folio]

im missing weapon and have 391k

[topaz tulip]

you can't los it, but you can run out of range. But hunter range is like 50yds so prolly not making it out of that one

[mild thunder]

either way, wasting leap or waddling away from a disintegrate is not a good idea

[topaz tulip]

Just an option. Could be an opportunity to swap. It's a short cd so I wouldn't do it all the time. Attacking to stagger the damage is better as long as they aren't in a burst window

[wheat jay]

40 iirc

50 on kill command, but i could be wrong about that one

Cant remember exactly

[topaz tulip]

You're right on both

[woeful solstice]

oh man

running arms/protpal/mw 3s rn

this is toxic and i love it

[mild thunder]

ew

go away

[woeful solstice]

[mild thunder]

doesnt even sound good or fun, just boring

[wheat jay]

@warped warren i think we found you someone from your tribe

[woeful solstice]

absolutely dumpstered a mage/lock/priest

[frank knoll]

I remember fury/Prot pal being a thing in 2s

[sage raptor]

So far prot warr/BM is good and Prot warr/unholy is good.

Gonna try it with outlaw next

[sharp meteor]

gonna get demolished by wizards

[sage raptor]

Naw

Maybe idk

That's what the dk was for

Lol

You're prolly right

[tepid stag]

Progression of doubt in 5 lines

[sage raptor]

He had protection against physical damage and I had protection against magic.

[mild thunder]

sounds like a wattpad story

He was protected against physical...
I was protected against magic...
It was a perfect match ❤️

[noble stream]

I saw a smf dagger fury in a bg today

Forgot to see if they did well

[torpid roost]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "probably not"

Or, not in comparison to if he was playing a real spec, I'm sure you can still close kills with that

[sage raptor]

@elfin surge agi dagger smf hidden spec again?

[near delta]

Have any of yall been playing gnome?

Thinking of swapping to it cause I've lost years of my life to roots the past couple of weeks

[thick reef]

The Forbidden Spec is always good

That's why it is Forbidden

[near delta]

How did you just make my monk d/c? lol

[mild thunder]

skill

[near delta]

🤔

[bright stream]

I'd forgotten how miserable warrior is

when you play with healers that don't dispel roots/flurry debuff :/

[willow owl]

hehe ive forgotten that it is dispellable because noone dispels them

[scarlet flame]

stam is their defense ig, warlock and dks runing around with over 500k hp ive seen

[grand scaffold]

hows haste mastery for arms?

[warped warren]

kargish?

[grand scaffold]

do people actually play spiteful serenity?

[grand scaffold]

if you got r1 in the first season of wow

is your title just gladiator

[woeful solstice]

gnome is incredibly based, i recommend it

so far my favorite races after dark iron have been nelf and gnome

[grand scaffold]

this is a really dumb question but what does based mean

i hear people say it a lot

[woeful solstice]

its like the opposite of cringe

[grand scaffold]

oooh ok

[woeful solstice]

was originally political slang right wingers used but is now kinda just generic internet slang lol

nelf has been really nice for saving my ass against wizard cleaves

i have a higher winrate in solos on my nelf than any of my warriors, wiz lobbies are my bane

really hope orc doesnt become meta again but its not lookin good lads

[near delta]

That's actually not quite right lol

There was this rapper named lilb who called himself the based God

[woeful solstice]

haha yes

i always forget about lil b

[near delta]

He advertised himself a lot on early 4chan

[woeful solstice]

you're right it went lil b -> then politics

yea haha

i remember seeing it all over /b/

[near delta]

I only ever used /mu/ lol

It's crazy cause like 95% of people use that word today and never heard wonton soup

[woeful solstice]

unreal

deepak were you the monk i qued with back in early df?

we had a 3s sesh one night

[near delta]

Oh lmao kiggs?

[woeful solstice]

ya!

[near delta]

Yea

[woeful solstice]

sup g

[near delta]

Yi

*yo

[woeful solstice]

you still runnin monk?

or came back to chad warrior life

[near delta]

Def leaning on the chad warrior life these days

[wheat jay]

Nihil

He plays the same Comp as you

[woeful solstice]

its absolute toxic trash ngl

i get to sit on someone until they have 10x fatality

if you run it mw you never have mana problems and if you run it disc you basically have an answer to everything

[near delta]

What comp is this? Lol

[warped warren]

gigachad cleave

[scarlet flame]

arms prot pal mw/disc from his conversations

tank spec in arena 🤮

[steep inlet]

"NdogoFury — Aujourd’hui à 08:43
if you got r1 in the first season of wow
is your title just gladiator"

no

got r1 at this time

my only one

and we had no title

fuck that

[frank knoll]

He made a song called “fuck Kevin Durant” was hilarious

[steep inlet]

https://i.gyazo.com/0d7401c17dc049fe0b6690534875e1fd.png

just have this shit

[scarlet flame]

thats still p cool

[fickle forge]

Honestly that's more cool than R1

[steep inlet]

dunno

[fickle forge]

I mean it's rarer than R1 for sure

[tribal wedge]

Og gladiator

[frank knoll]

My boss at work is an OG High Warlord which I think is pcool

[wheat jay]

xd

[fickle forge]

Eksdee

High Warlord, more like High Sweatlord

[frank knoll]

He told me the in the final push he played for like 30 hours straight or something

[fickle forge]

Probably the sweatiest title in the game

Enjoy it for a week

😎👍

[frank knoll]

Yeah

[scarlet barn]

Its rarer than normal person on internet

[undone pumice]

@sand shadow

this man was also vanill r14

[stark eagle]

what in the shit has happened to ss que? Its always 5/6 one leaves

like a good 6 times before a game even gets on its way

[mild thunder]

Rare? That just doesn’t exist

[stark eagle]

BRUUUH, then when it finnnnally pops monk leaves after the first round

[scarlet flame]

are you at like 100 rating or something

[stark eagle]

im only 1800 bracket but holy shit

[scarlet flame]

i have almost 500 games played and only 1 person has left for me

lmao

[stark eagle]

around like 2k+ ?

[scarlet flame]

im 2067 atm

[stark eagle]

yeah seems sub 2k its a drastically different game

peanuts galore

[scarlet flame]

even climbing i only had 1 leaver is what im saying

[stark eagle]

have had about 4 games total for leavers. not many REALLY but poo when the que doesnt pop for an hour

is what it is

[scarlet flame]

yeah that sucks tho

the 5/6 happens because ques are so long lmao

[craggy meteor]

BM hunter absolutely SCREAMING at me in SS because I hit the healer rather than the mage for a bit. I'm like "I have two charges and a leap, once they're gone, I just need to hit whatever I can and mages are slippery as shit"

Irony was at the end of the lobby I went 4-2 and he went 2-4

[scarlet flame]

ignore literally anything he says

[craggy meteor]

That was a tough lobby for me though. So hard to actually maintain uptime with hunters and mages

[scarlet flame]

those lobbies are always tough unless they really fuck up

[cursive pike]

does taunt do anything in pvp

[scarlet flame]

if you're a super gamer yeah

you can do things like taunt damage break CC's but its hard

also im not 100% sure if you can taunt intimidation stun

[craggy meteor]

Yeah especially difficult trying to kill the arcane mage

Managed to kill the hunter twice

Probably because he was tilted AF

[scarlet flame]

arcane is a little easier to deal with than frost mage

but arcane is def up there

[craggy meteor]

Still got perma slow and lots of blinks

[scarlet flame]

yeah but no roots

[craggy meteor]

Managed to get uptime but couldn’t quite finish the fucker

Found it easier to see-off the hunter. Maybe because turtle doesn’t do shit into bleeds and I was running roar

[scarlet flame]

if the hunter is good its usually harder to stick to him than arcane mage imo

[craggy meteor]

Yeah two roots, slows etc

Just a tough lobby. I would have been happy with a 3-3 so delighted with a 4-2

[scarlet flame]

i always find it funny when casters complain about warrior gap closers because it instantly outs them as dogshit

[craggy meteor]

Warrior is one of the easier melee to kite

[muted surge]

You just have no clue

[scarlet flame]

huh

[prime lion]

@elfin surge play ur undead more

[scarlet flame]

thats wild

[prime lion]

go hard on that Skull Knight type beat

my yearly message in here just to say this

[scarlet flame]

avatar root removal, bladestorm slow removal, bastion now pulls 1, thats crazy

this is coming from a dk with worse mobility, you think he'd be on our side of "fuck the casters"

[elfin surge]

when my other alt "execute" is his cr i will

[prime lion]

im holding u to that

[craggy meteor]

It’s an alt to hide his 1300 CR main

[scarlet flame]

[craggy meteor]

The biggest irony is that DKs are actually harder to kite

Spammable very strong snare

Double grip

Double advance

[scarlet flame]

longer stun, also ranged

[craggy meteor]

Played a lot of DK this season and there are very few specs that can escape you for any length of time

And even if they do yeah your cc and kick is ranged and you continue to rot them so you don’t even need perfect uptime

If DK’s had Arm’s damage profile they’d be S+++++ tier

[scarlet flame]

ive seen that thrown around a few times but i still dont understand what a damage profile means, like whats doing damage or type of damage

[lean burrow]

so annoying playing as dk and your chains of ice work for 6-8 seconds

at least hamstring is like 12

[serene kite]

Chains is the best snare in the game and it’s also ranged

People keep bitching about mobility but they can’t rub their two brain cells together and realize that ranged abilities are another form of mobility

Ret pallies are moaning that they don’t get a holy leap yet nearly their entire kit is now ranged

Though warriors have a lot of “mobility” maintaining uptime can still be challenging. Uptime is what matters most, not necessarily mobility

[craggy meteor]

So the problem with DK is that it has some burst with CDs and then between CDs it doesn’t really have any pressure at all. Arms by comparison can crit your for 80k without any CDs at all

[scarlet flame]

ah okay that makes sense yeah

[craggy meteor]

Can be quite frustrating playing unholy and seeing an opportunity and not really being able to capitalise on it because your damage is crap for another 20 seconds

[serene kite]

Frost DK gets invalidated by disarm unless they’re super slick with setups. UHDK has the luxury of not really being affected by disarm

[scarlet flame]

yeah as arms i do feel like i can kill someone at any point

[craggy meteor]

Which is what makes arms good. Always a threat

[cursive pike]

does taunt do anything in pvp

[scarlet flame]

i already said its good if you're really good but outside of that i dont think it does

its really niche

[craggy meteor]

But if arms could do partly from range, had a ranged kick, ranged spammable slow etc. it would be unstoppable

That’s why it was ironic seeing a DK bitch about arms mobility

[serene kite]

Getting disarmed as a war sucks but you’ll have Smash back before the next disarm anyways and they also have to play a little mini game of timing their disarm before you bladestorm

Disarming a war can actually be so nerve racking

Disarmed so many bladestorms

Feelsbad

[scarlet flame]

it honestly feels like people just throw disarm out at random

i have so many times a rogue or another warrior or monk just disarms me on stormbolt or when i charge someone its wild

[cursive pike]

taunt works on animals and the zombies?

[serene kite]

Disarm on bolt is a pretty good queue

[scarlet flame]

yes

[serene kite]

But can still be premature

[scarlet flame]

yeah

sometimes its really fuckin quick lmao

ive had a few disarms the same global i hit breaker and that is annoying

[scarlet flame]

you can use it to break yourself out of traps from hunters if the pet is close enough, or blind/sheep if you have one on their team but you have to predict it and react fast enough to do it

its like a .1% chance you do it

[craggy meteor]

When do you guys hamstring vs roar slow? Assuming you’re in a lobby where you seldom get opportunities for multi snares?

[scarlet flame]

hamstring whoever you're hitting that you can

i howl when im disarmed/helping peel for a dress class/my healer or if theres 2 melee on the other team

honestly i dont hamstring that much but i should lmao

[craggy meteor]

I’m good for hamstringing but often find howl sat on cd for entire games

[scarlet flame]

howl is insane slow

its really good to use when you're disarmed cause it might make it so your healer/dps doesn't get cc'd if they're far enough away

might stop someone from getting away from you too far too

good vs pets too

[lean burrow]

use howl when you can't connect but still close enough to not use charge

or just on cd if you are chasing someone

[mild thunder]

good to howl someone running to cc your healer

so a priest running in to fear, pala running to hoj/blind etc

[scarlet flame]

70% is no joke

[mild thunder]

if you dont have bolt or fear

can also howl to slow stuff like bm or uh pets if you are kiting

[elfin surge]

3-3 +70cr

[grand scaffold]

bruh

[scarlet flame]

games easy

[grand scaffold]

i get 48 for 6 wins

-_-

[scarlet flame]

your cr probably isn't 500 points bellow your mmr lmao

[grand scaffold]

how tf did you get 3300 mmr at 2700

that shits crazy

[scarlet flame]

his mmr 3300 thats how

he probably woulda gained points for 2 wins

[elfin surge]

i dont lose

only win

[scarlet flame]

true warrior

[grand scaffold]

send win loss ration i gotta see

ratio*

[elfin surge]

belf op

[tepid stag]

damn im awful at this class

[sinful carbon]

Hello friends

How easy it is to get 2.4k in solo meme as warrior ?

[scarlet flame]

if its solo meme it should be braindead so just slam it out homie

[sinful carbon]

:(

[wheat jay]

stop bugging mmr

dumbo

[elfin surge]

[lone gulch]

So i have 30% crit, should i go for some haste? 😄

[rancid nymph]

So what do you guys do with conq/honor once you have BIS items?

[lone gulch]

Get items for off spec

[near delta]

Right. Kevin Durant and James Harden got the based god curse. Lol He lifted KDs curse when he came to the Warriors.

[rancid nymph]

do you guys use shield block at all in pvp?

[muted surge]

As a tank, probably?

There’s a shield swap memer here tho

[lean burrow]

i was tempted to try shield swap macro at the start of season because my usual button for ignore pain for empty

[sinful carbon]

is there a pvp tier set or is it the same as pve

[muted surge]

Same

Or rather you can catalyst your pvp pieces to 424 tier

[sinful carbon]

but do those have increased ilvl in pvp

or is it just the same item as pve tier items

[muted surge]

Well, 424

[wanton sun]

Is there somewhere I can look up viable comps for arms war in 3s? I have a mm hunter friend who wanted to try 3s but we don't know if arms/mm/healer or what healers would be viable

Or viable comps in 3s in general

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

Just gotta try stuff.

Or find somebody playing something else and try that.

Hunter/Arms is at least fine, though, probably good.

[green anchor]

Has anyone out there tried out the shield + onehand swap and use shield slam + shield block?

I wonder if it has any use for survivability vs melee comps

I remember that's how we played in TBC

[scarlet flame]

You’re better off just going into d stance and dealing more damage with a 2h than using 1h and shield

If you’re under that much pressure you’re probably dead anyway

[green anchor]

yep lol

also I bet having a one-hand wep equipped locks you out of using Mortal Strike etc

[torpid roost]

Shield slam though

Also I don't think MS requires a 2h. Just does shit damage 1h

[sharp meteor]

nah it requires a 2h

[green anchor]

oof

No idea what Blizz was trying to pull or thinking

[wheat jay]

queues get longer by the day

i requeue every 30 or so minutes

its been 2h since i played

[green anchor]

[near delta]

Comps with a caster seems to be the play from my arms 3s so far this season

Played with this frost mage and we were just trucking people

[wheat jay]

still no q another 20 min later

[near delta]

Hmmmm

[green anchor]

are you Qing on warrior?

[wheat jay]

FOUND IT

yes

im not even high mmr

why is it taking so long

xD

help

me

[green anchor]

too many warriors Qing

or game dead

[wheat jay]

game ded fosho

[white forum]

#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/cast [nomod] Mortal Strike;
/cast [mod:shift] Sharpen Blade;
can i somehow make it work so with shift it will cast sharpen and also mortal strike instantly?

[near delta]

What the other dps? Sadge

[wheat jay]

ret

2-0 for now

xD

[near delta]

Ayyy lol

[wheat jay]

3-0

GAMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

GAMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

id have to do acrobatics on my dick to have same dps on survi lol

[near delta]

I think you'll need another macro for that.

Something like:

/cast Sharpen Blade 
/cast Mortal Strike

Then you can just bind that to shift + whatever your ms button is.

Sharpen is off the gcd, but you can only have one button in a cast macro like that I think.

[wheat jay]

4-0

retard ret went on evoker all the time...

on healvoker

smh

[white forum]

oh okay thank you

[near delta]

Np

[wheat jay]

well 4-2

still good

i need 9 more rating

watch me lose every game now xD

[near delta]

What are you at now?

[wheat jay]

1791

crying in elohell

[white forum]

could u tell me how do I bind macro to macro? xD

[near delta]

Unfortch

[wheat jay]

nah jk

no such thing as elohell haha

[near delta]

There is but it's temporary

[wheat jay]

no there's not

just gotta carry the bottom feeders

xD

[near delta]

My ww was at 2700 in shuff then blizz was like ayo fuck your rating and gave me 4 straight triple caster games on tol'viron

[wheat jay]

xD

you got balanced

[muted surge]

for rbg, is druid tank still the only viable one ?

[grand scaffold]

bro

i was at 2780 on fury

and blizzard said

fuck you

sit at 2600

[near delta]

Indeed lol

The worst is when you're being really careful about kicks and the evo or rsham just perma give them precog

[wheat jay]

aight waiting for another q now

ffs

no q again

smh

[green anchor]

[wheat jay]

i think i need 4-2 to get 1800

xD

cuz 3-3 might not cut that 9 rating ahha

[near delta]

Feels like queue times get noticeably better after like 2kish here in NA at least.

[near delta]

Why play fury tho? Lol

[grand scaffold]

its fun

[wheat jay]

WHERE Q

[mild thunder]

All my homies hate precog

[grand scaffold]

facts

precog can suck my dick

cant believe blizzard thinks its good for the game

LMAO

i just went up 4 spots in arms ranks because of people playing at wrong time of day oof

[wheat jay]

bro all times are bad for me

WHERE FUCKING QUEUES

[grand scaffold]

bro

if your que takes over 30 minutes

dont play

blizzard will group you in with worse players

trust me

[wheat jay]

i requeue every 15

xD

[grand scaffold]

i had a 40 minutes que and instant req

thats when i lost my 2780

i got fucked by that long que

[wheat jay]

ye same

i had 45min and 2x prot pala heal

xD

[rancid nymph]

why can't people seem to decide between the badge or insignia trinket?

and which one is best with the thunderous roar build

[wheat jay]

aight no q for 3h

done

[swift folio]

[grand scaffold]

bro

que lasting over 30 minutes = dont que

blizzard is gonna fuck you up\

[spice hornet]

i had 41% and got executed to 19% but this execute vcaused fatal mark to pop, I thought I have to be executed BELOW the %

for it to pop

[lucid walrus]

doesn’t existing beneath 30% cause it to pop

[spice hornet]

when an enemy falls below 30%, your next execute inflicts 11k dmg or w/e per stack

[sharp meteor]

get domed bozo

and yeah idk if that's intended

execute proc somebody at 45% and they just fucking die

[spice hornet]

so stupid

[mild thunder]

because there is no "best"

[near delta]

It's been broken for a minute

[wheat jay]

I meaaaaaan

I'm fine with that

I just want a q

I didnt get a q for 3h

I had 3 shuffles WHOLE DAY

[sharp meteor]

see ths is the one redeeming thing about healing shuff

instant queues any hour of the day

[near delta]

You're a healer boi now?

[grand scaffold]

dang

[wheat jay]

Like man

I just want my 1800 and i go back on hunter

But blizz be like NO

1791 and i cba xD

[sharp meteor]

no at least not yet

[near delta]

I've been thinking about just sending fistweaver

[grand scaffold]

i hate fistweavers

they spoil solo shuffle

[near delta]

Yeah don't wanna grief people lol

[rancid nymph]

But the activation one must be better since you can line it up with your burst right?

[wheat jay]

Depends

For Arms play on use cuz it has crit

[sharp meteor]

Not nesscearily.

CD can be awkward.

Reliably having a big spear/roar can be nice, though.

[mild pier]

Was hitting duelist consistently in SL but I'm having a lot of trouble getting rating now. Am I just rusty or are the ladders fucked?

[sharp meteor]

2v2 and 3v3 are fucked

shuffle is freelo

[mild pier]

Alright I'll just send shuffle I guess

Fucking 30 minute ques are annoying as hell

[near delta]

Yeah depending on spec 2.1 is like top 50 in 3s lol

[mild pier]

Whattt

[hazy isle]

i was doing 3s yesterday around mid 1600s and most teams were multiglads bfa and sl

[mild thunder]

Not necessarily. CD doesn’t line up with anything in particular all the time, which can be awkward. Running the haste build also devalues some of that burst while making the consistent damage of insignia more attractive

[mild pier]

Lmao yeesh. I'm assuming that's because most of the player base is just doing shuffle?

[hazy isle]

thats a big part of it prob yea

[mild thunder]

There’s a ton that can change with in you’ll prefer in a certain matchup

Uptime
Build
Stats
Preference

[near delta]

There are only 6 people 2.4+ in 2s in NA. It's silly

[dark sparrow]

Lmao how is that even possible

[mild pier]

That's a real stat?

[mild thunder]

2s is omega fucked

[dark sparrow]

I had a q pop after like 18s today, someone didn’t accept and the q popped again after 28mins

[mild pier]

LMAO

What the fook

[near delta]

3 are petkick alts

[mild thunder]

How did they even get 2538 w/o win-trading

[mild pier]

Explains why I've seen basically zero glad mounts floating around

[wheat jay]

This season is crazy deflated

MAYBE

Next season will mega inflated

And I can get my welfare mount again

[dark sparrow]

Prayge

[mild thunder]

Doubt it

[wheat jay]

Fuk u galachad let me cope

[mild thunder]

It would either have to be a crazy long season, or blizzard would have to go full retard on the artificial stuff

[wheat jay]

I MEAAAAAAN

[mild thunder]

Mb, it might happen

[dark sparrow]

Man on my fresh alt, first q is 7mins, go 5-1 and next average q time was already 17mins fml

[mild pier]

So basically if I'm not r1 level then the glad mount ain't happening

[wheat jay]

Theyre known for it

[wheat jay]

No

[mild pier]

Sad

[mild thunder]

Glad will be semi-achievable by end of season

[near delta]

So solo shuffle is one component. The other part is normally blizz inflates mmr every week from the beginning of the season by 20.

This time they waited until week 10 for whatever reason