pvp

[brisk verge]

Shield

[woeful solstice]

bro

dont do that

[brisk verge]

Lol

[woeful solstice]

not in retail

[brisk verge]

Ahh, but I was asking about wotlk/tbc, sorry for not specifying

[woeful solstice]

ohhh

no idea then

[brisk verge]

Hmm alright. I was just wondering if it's possible to shield bash in battle stance without having to go berserker for pummel

If there's GCD, that would be an issue ofc

[mystic prairie]

bois, we're back

[mild thunder]

Wrong channel. All classic stuff is wotlk-discussion

[ocean ingot]

been tryin to get into solos, but holy shit queues are so long

[green lintel]

game is dead unfortunately

[grizzled jackal]

any benefit to fury over arms with warr dh 3s?

[rotund trellis]

congrats!!!!!

[ocean ingot]

wtf just did a solo shuffle and said i got 500 rating, out of game and it didnt give to me xd

jk didnt realize rating was spec specific sadge

guess i wont be switching between fury and arms lol

[tepid stag]

what happened to overwatch

[tawny brook]

Elaborate

[tepid stag]

there was a talent called overwatch in shadowlands did they remove it

ig it was p busted

sadge

[sharp meteor]

no reason was given

just got pruned

[mild thunder]

reason is blizz is peepeepoopoo

overwatch was fun

[sage raptor]

what was overwatch?

[mild thunder]

intervening someone gave them spell reflect

[ocean ingot]

how do ya get the pvp tier that scales to 424? catalyst conq gear?

& do the pvp tier ones have same exact stats as non pvp ones, just deciding which 4 to rock

[rotund trellis]

guys in 3v3 I'm 6-0 lol

1400 and climbing steadfast

[frank knoll]

Overwatch should’ve stayed, they took it away cause RMP players cried about it

[sharp meteor]

actually it might've been shadow priests or like lone casters

cos it was another stop or something

but they kept reflect leggo hm

[mild thunder]

and hunters

it was only really "OP" because we could pair it with mirror and reflect too much, but overwatch on its own was fine

[thick reef]

Reflecting Sniper Shot?

Or is there something I'm missing

[sharp meteor]

?

[mild thunder]

trap

[sharp meteor]

i remember games poly and trap

only time i have seen snper shot in arena

was played by that greasy dualboxing mm guy who afks if he doesn't 1-bang in opener

[mild thunder]

multiboxers

so cringe

[cerulean pecan]

Reflecting a trap while hunter is camouflaged
#feelsgoodman

[sharp meteor]

ya always do that in skirms

[mild thunder]

hunter's gotta be certifiably retarded to let that happen in real games tho

[sharp meteor]

they just yeet traps around

[mild thunder]

which most bms are

[sharp meteor]

real and true

[elfin surge]

3250mmr on this warrior now

[mild thunder]

id be 4k cr if it werent for elo hell

[ocean ingot]

w/ the onslaught hybrid fury build, whats general abil prio rn?

[grand scaffold]

raging blow to do dmg

bt to heal

press onslaught rampage on cd

whenever you can press execute you press it

[mild thunder]

pre much that ^ ramp > os > exe > rb > bt
w/ tier set you have zero downtime
during enraged regen you can just spam bt

[full quiver]

Grats that's like 6k mmr na

[grand scaffold]

BRUUUUUUUH

literally getting trolled

mage doesnt use iceblock unless on enemy team

on my team doesnt use it

just dies

surv hunter not following strat on my team

L(

😦

teammates just flopping

while i constantly peel

-_-

[ocean ingot]

dope k this is waht I was looking for, wasnt sure if RB>ramp even if enraged or not since RA

[mild thunder]

Not in PvP

[ocean ingot]

love to hear it

now I just gotta actually get into solo shuffles to hit 1.8 lol

havent lost yet... but getting in is the harder part

[ocean ingot]

also, should I buy wep before anything else? guessing yes, only have 415s rn

[lean burrow]

I'd be intergalactic r0.01 gigagladiator

of hell

[sweet solstice]

does arms have a haste softcap?

[mild thunder]

no

[torpid roost]

Nah pretty much everything scales infinitely now

[pure widget]

is that cdew haha

[grand scaffold]

idk

maybe

was wondering the same thing tbh

@mild thunder what do you think about dropping warpaint

[mild thunder]

sounds very bad

[scarlet flame]

mages aint busted tho 😠

[lean burrow]

do mages cast flurry after spike?

[scarlet flame]

that one didn't need to

[lean burrow]

idk how it works, flurry is supposed to boost damage like 40%

so if that mage used flurry, he would have done 250k+ dmg?

300k+

[scarlet flame]

yeah i dont have flurry damage before that

[grand scaffold]

is 5% dmg reduction really gonna save you tho?

[mild thunder]

if you wanna drop it, drop it

[frank knoll]

Poor mw went 0/6

He was trying to fistweave and got 1 shotted in the opener every round

[frank knoll]

Spike will freeze the target, so you spike then icelance

Should go flurry-spike-icelance

[frank knoll]

You talking about “Worldsfastestoneshots” ?

[idle falcon]

arms is op in pvp right?

[tawny brook]

Yes

[idle falcon]

thought so, execute crits are just juicy af

[frank knoll]

No, Arms needs buffs actually
Won’t be OP unless we get MoP second wind and overwatch back

[scarlet flame]

mop second wind

i dream

[idle falcon]

yeah but if u have a good healer

and you don't go against a hunter (i hate hunters) you can win :D

[scarlet flame]

the only time i hate vs ranged is if im the only melee in the match

[idle falcon]

agreed

i went 2 games in a row with prot pally on both teams which is bullshit

as arms got no heals and got targeted always :P

[idle falcon]

just looked up MoP second wind... holy shit

[scarlet flame]

it felt nice 😄

[green anchor]

Why does the current version of Second wind still exist anyway... it's a waste of space on the talent tree

[indigo barn]

In some forms of pve combat, its the most OP defensive in the game

[frank knoll]

Yeah it’s good in PvE, which is what everything kind of revolves around tbh

So the bloodbath build seems to have the best synergy with the fury 4 set

[mild thunder]

onslaught build incorporates it better imo

[frank knoll]

Didn’t I get yelled like 2 weeks ago for saying the onslaught build was good ? 🤪

[mild thunder]

onslaught build is bis imo

fury still shit

but at least the build kinda works

[frank knoll]

I play both, both feel alright to me. Onslaught better for KOing someone in the opener. I think I need more mastery to really take advantage of it. I’m in Arms haste/crit gear with only. A couple mastery items

[mild thunder]

idk i just dont see any real point to the anni build anymore

os build is higher damage and maintains all the same defensives

[rotund trellis]

another shit ss and lost a bunch of ranks, deleting the character for good but before that!!! I'll post the recording. From 1790 to 1300ish. lol I suck so bad.

I really struggle to understand why i suck so bad

[green anchor]

We're in the same boat

I'm not deleting my char tho lol

[rotund trellis]

I am, my mental health depends on it

pvp is ruining my life

I am so bad at it I hate myself

lol

[mild thunder]

there you go

[limber relic]

feral warr any good rn?

[green anchor]

#3 is my biggest issue

I don't know at least a half of the spells of other classes

[rotund trellis]

that doesn't mention being a complete idiot and dumb person in real life tho lol stupid AI

[mystic prairie]

do I need remind you of my 1750 -> 1190 run

[green anchor]

no

[limber relic]

where dis

[green anchor]

I went from 1745 to 1220

[mild thunder]

chatGPT

[mystic prairie]

I had a similar thing y-day, although at measly 1.8-1.9mmr. Mage on my team gets bursted down in the opener, by another arms warrior spinning on him, TWICE, while on enemy team he actually blinks away and presses buttons

It's almost as if they do good one round, then completely relax and forget how to play the next one, only to be reminded to stay focused 😄 But they're on the opposing team then

[limber relic]

link? ❤️

[mild thunder]

it's an AI, not a wow site

[limber relic]

and how do u get the AI

[frank knoll]

ChatGPT is a bunch of liberal BS

[mild thunder]

just google chatGPT, it's an open-source AI

[mild thunder]

[frank knoll]

Censors Maga patriots

[mild thunder]

on the one hand im sure you're trolling... on the other hand, i have a very low opinion of americans

[frank knoll]

Me too and I’m American

I’ve been to Darwin and Townsville Australia felt like Texas

[mild thunder]

Darwin and Townsville are both hick towns, that's why

[rotund trellis]

and now I went 5-1, wtf I cant explain my inconsisten gameplay

[frank knoll]

Sometimes you just get a bad lobby

[wheat jay]

Or you do some misplays

[frank knoll]

Then a really good one, also ur mmr is going down so you’re playing with worse players

[wheat jay]

Some missclicks

You dont notice sth

There's plenty of things that can happen

[frank knoll]

The best kind, full of people who work for a living!

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-cringe-dies-from-cringe-meme-star-wars-meme-gif-22116997

[rotund trellis]

[rotund trellis]

this may be my favorite gif to date

[thick reef]

ya cuz alot of people make u do it]

always dieing from cringe

[frank knoll]

Cringe to live in Sidney, work as a UEx developer( or some other made up tech job)

Have green hair and pronouns in ur bio

[sharp meteor]

Flurry or ice nova so it crits ye

[grand scaffold]

hows the push today

[green anchor]

[rotund trellis]

back to the 1300s

check this lobby

[rotund trellis]

I'm posting 2 videos on the review channel, one is me sucking dicks as I usually do and enjoy, the other one is a lucky moment when i win. Any feedback appreciated

[thick reef]

ye

alot of things r cringe

[thick reef]

seems like a ok lobby for warrior lol

only prob could be lock cuz they r annoying at times

[rotund trellis]

yeah, for warrior who know how to play lol

also I am having several ui issues lately, not only in arenas. Had to reload at the beginnignn of a round

[grand scaffold]

ill take a look at it sometime soon

[rotund trellis]

Played some 3s with the team yesterday and climbed 150 points in an evening. I like it much more and losing is not frustrating

[ocean ingot]

Should first conq item be weapon? Atm have my tier pieces all 418+ from pve, and everything else is honor gear lmao

Playing fury not arms, if that makes wep worth less. Both weps 415 atm

[rotund trellis]

thanks!!! appreciate it a lot

[grand scaffold]

no worries

[craggy meteor]

Definitely yes

Weapon then tier

[thick reef]

im sure ur doing fine

i rly think warr in ss is lobby dependent so

[sharp meteor]

I mean triple caster sucks but at 1.5k nobody really does anything.

[thick reef]

ya

[sharp meteor]

Just did placement on alt warr with no gear and I'd do like the damage of everybody else combined.

[thick reef]

yea

low rated ss is a joke tbh

some ppl are npcs

[sharp meteor]

Nature is healing

the noobs are returning

[thick reef]

fr

[grand scaffold]

highly

i avoid queueing at certain times

the hardest matchup is into melee caster

[thick reef]

ye

[shy aurora]

Can you send honor to alts now?

[thick reef]

Only if your box rolls the BoA item

[shy aurora]

Ah

[grand scaffold]

is there any point in wow where you could play 2 healers in 3's?

like xpac season or whatever

[bright cloak]

I remember this being a thing back in BC. Warrior/hpala/rshaman for windfury totem and purge or something like hpala + disc for dispels and mana burn.

[grand scaffold]

yeah

this destro lock was telling me he got 2800 in wotlk playing double healer

i think hes lying

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[grand scaffold]

in wrath?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[bright cloak]

I can't remember if it was a thing in WOTLK, but meta for sure wasn't as figured out as it is these days. Dampening didn't exist at the time and a lot of matches went down to mana which made double healer outlast strategies a thing.

[grand scaffold]

does check pvp show xp even from back then?

[sharp meteor]

Kind of? You can see a 2700 3v3 from wotlk.

But anybody pulling their wotlk exp is washed as shit.

[grand scaffold]

yeah

this guy is lying then

shows 1400 xp

no alts like hes saying

[sharp meteor]

Like even if somebody did manage whatever rating at whatever point in time

it often doesn't matter in the present

people will legit use their exp from a decade ago on another class

[ocean ingot]

yall find 2s or 3s faster conq? mainly liking SS, but need more conq gear so gonna farm arenas lol

[sharp meteor]

whichever u have the partners for

[shy aurora]

3s is best. 2s is shit

Shuffle is good but you NEED 3 wins for conquest

[grand scaffold]

i dont understand the logic behind that design

you still won games at 2-4

[rotund trellis]

3s by a long mile. Also good for farming vicious saddles

[frank knoll]

Do tell

[spice hornet]

3s is faster

2s is harder to win if you’re not playing a meta 2s comp and when you do win, the conq is pathetic. Also when you get too high in mmr the games start to take too long

[grand scaffold]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

WE GOT IT BOIS

WE GOT IT

[wheat jay]

Gz

[grand scaffold]

😄

[shy aurora]

Yes iknow its stupid. You sit 20mins q and might end up with no conquest at all

[shy aurora]

Sick mate

[grand scaffold]

😄

[thick reef]

gz

[leaden fern]

haste or crit for spear build? gonna be doing more 3s than shuffle

[cinder thorn]

Is there any discord for finding rbgs I hate the stupid in game one

[radiant hamlet]

Anyone duels alot here ?

[green lintel]

What tierslots do i need for pvp ?

[rotund trellis]

GRATZ!!!!!

[thick reef]

Non-head (that's the craft)

[queen shoal]

ndogo fury

Ndogo fury

[spice hornet]

That griefgod guy is such a cunt

Decided to throw my games on my alt warr when I had him

Dude has like 4K shuffle matches played

[sharp meteor]

That's honestly not even very many for healer.

Can slam games out so unreal fast.

[mild thunder]

Why would any person subject themselves to this

[sage raptor]

Retarded

[grand scaffold]

thanks man

[grand scaffold]

I KNOW RIGHT

i reported him

[grand scaffold]

😄

[grand scaffold]

bro

i had to hype him up to get a win out of him

i told him lets put in that effort

ended up winning

was nice

[grand scaffold]

i wonder how many reports that mw has lmao

i know elemental reported him

and told everybody else to report him

[sharp meteor]

ya can sometimes keep somebody in the game mentally by

like saying whoops my b i could've peeled that

takes a little pressure off them

when they lookin like they goin 0-6

and just accept their fate

[grand scaffold]

nah'

that monk

was throwing from game 1

he only didnt throw 2 games

both were with me

last game we just flopped uncontrollably

[sharp meteor]

ya some healers

just terrorists

[grand scaffold]

so shitty to do that to people

[green anchor]

whenever I say I'm sorry for not knowing how to play vs frost mages properly I get flamed lmao

[grand scaffold]

bro in solo shuffle bis strat

hype people up

or dont say anything at all

i used to tell people fuck you dogshit heals

turns out

they dont wanna help you win if you do that

😂

[sharp meteor]

ya like if healer can ruin dps day for being rude they will

cos they legit will get into another lobby

before u can send a rage whisper

[green anchor]

I met a mega angry resto druid once

he got mat at another Fury war in the lobby for training the healer

and so he refused to heal and just throw

''If you go healer I don't heal''

so we didn't go at the healer but the druid still left during the 5th round

[sharp meteor]

ya had a few healers left because people went healer lmaooo

"if you try to go me ill leave"

so i did and he left

[green anchor]

[sharp meteor]

had a rogue do the same thing

"you aren't meant to train rogue"

killed him again and he left

[shy aurora]

Thats me like playing so nice! Damn bro lookin fresh af mate lets kill warr! Lets go champs

😂😂😂

[magic lance]

am I actually supposed to press slam/whirlwind with annihilator? i feel like i always have either bloodthirst, rampage or execute up instead

[sharp meteor]

no slam bad

[magic lance]

so annihilator is that good you give up an entire talent point?

[mild thunder]

The intent of the build is to just focus on self-healing by spamming bloodthirst

Annihilator isn’t really amazing on its own, but it allows you to do that while getting passive damage

[thick reef]

Hitting Slam on Totems isn't bad

But otherwise yeah, you don't hit them regularly

[green lintel]

Is it better to run Seal of diurnas chosen 421 or Pvp ring?

[thick reef]

Always pvp rings

[green lintel]

but eranog ring is giga vers and crit ?

[thick reef]

ILvL is king

Primary Stat is king

Rings give more vers iirc

[mild thunder]

It’s fury

Not arms

[spice hornet]

Real furry warriors play 2h main hand and shield off hand

[dark sparrow]

I had a restro Druid with the glad mount tell me if I don’t zug perma he won’t heal me. It was fkn tol’viron triple caster lobby

Yea let’s sit in middle of the map and get kited to Africa vs demo frost mage

[dark sparrow]

You could go crafted ring 418 ilvl, think smexx runs it and a lot of other r1’s on other classes

[mild thunder]

Warrior doesn’t get as much out of it as other specs since our embellishments are actually good

[sharp meteor]

eh that's fair either play to win or go next

i'd be tilted if i had to heal a warr for 3 rounds who just dragged every game out another 2 minutes then died anyways (while lining me)

[sharp meteor]

ya crafted pieces look appealing as fury tho for mastery

as arms there is the uhh ring for less vers

[grizzled jackal]

is fury bad rn?

[wheat jay]

No

Arms is just better

[grizzled jackal]

any comps where fury is better in 3s?

[wheat jay]

No

[grizzled jackal]

dang

[granite arrow]

haste or crit build is best for arms ?

[wheat jay]

Crit

Roll some crits and win every game

[granite arrow]

lol

zug zug

[wheat jay]

Ye

[mild thunder]

haste build for chads

just crit anyway bro

[sharp meteor]

bit of a mix feels the best

u already get some crit from stuff like tier

[wheat jay]

The more crit you have the more you're reliant on rng to carry your games

Haste is more consistent and more fun

And haste will more than likely be king again in 10.1 when crit dmg is back to 150% LIKE IT SHOULD BE

[sharp meteor]

ya feels bad to play without either stat

no game swinging crit feels weaksauce

no haste to smooth things out feels clunky

[wheat jay]

Crit back to 150% will make the game more controlled i think

And faster because haste will be better for many classes

Less spiky maybe xd

I'm high on that copium for it xD

[near delta]

Depends on tier. Blizz said this season was supposed to be pretty small tier buffs

Which is wilddd

[sharp meteor]

ya its a change i was figuring they'd make in prepatch

too volatile otherwise

people getting snapped in half in 1.2 seconds feels bad and unforgiving for most people

[wheat jay]

Ye its not fun

For anyone

[mild thunder]

your first good take on 10.1

jesus, it took you a while

[lucid walrus]

decided to stop sitting and finally make progress on legend

bluedrew and orchilles in a match. tfw playing >2400 matches you with players who are >2400

[strange eagle]

haste is bae

[wheat jay]

Excuse me?

My survi rework idea was based as fuck

[mild thunder]

the cc malding tho

[wheat jay]

I'm affected by it

So yea xd

[mild thunder]

just reroll warrior

kill the boy

become the man you were born to be

[wheat jay]

I was always a warrior my man

I rolled survi to alt it in pvp

Then i started playing with Kargish

And it stuck xd

[mild thunder]

rereroll

[wheat jay]

I'm doing shuffles on warr now

[mild thunder]

i cbf finishing my legend

81/100

[indigo barn]

Legend is treated like glad and is removed next season yeah?

[mild thunder]

ye

[indigo barn]

Fucking pointless lol

[mild thunder]

you only get the seasonal title if you're 0.1%

and yea legend rn means less than an s2 SL glad

[strange eagle]

Is it Crimson Legend?

[indigo barn]

0.1% all specs or just yours?

[mild thunder]

just yours iirc

[mild thunder]

ye

[strange eagle]

ta

[mild thunder]

my guess is next season will be either Ebon or Obsidian

since it's a neltharion patch

[indigo barn]

Obsidian

[mild thunder]

is it confirmed?

[indigo barn]

Saw somewhere

On wowhead

[mild thunder]

Ebon would've been better

[indigo barn]

Next season

[mild thunder]

they'll just rotate through the dragonflights

[indigo barn]

Bronze gladiator

[mild thunder]

Sapphire Gladiator sounds horrible

kek

even Azure sounds garbanzo

[indigo barn]

Would been best to use eternal for blue as in eye of eternity

Instead of S4 sl

[mild thunder]

eternal is one of the best prefixes they've used

cosmic was badass too

[indigo barn]

Bruh, all SL season names were pog

[mild thunder]

sinful was pre cool, unchained was okay

[indigo barn]

In 20 years, all the cool names will used up and we have things like 'hecking gladiator', 'nutty gladiator' and Xaryu will still be crying for deep freeze

[mild thunder]

racist gladiator
homophobic gladiator
politically-charged gladiator
capitalist gladiator
kanye-supporting gladiator

i could get behind any of these

gladiatorial gladiator

[wheat jay]

Bro why you listing my titles?

Hello?

[indigo barn]

2 glad 2 furious gladiator

[mild thunder]

demonic gladiator dekel gladiator

[mild thunder]

racist gladiator goes hard ngl

[wheat jay]

It does baba

[undone pumice]

maldiator

male pattern baldness gladiator

[wheat jay]

Its vegeta hairstyle

[lucid walrus]

we're gonna get "veridian gladiator" or something if we have a green season

[undone pumice]

not the druidic gladiator

druidic gladiator druids

[lucid walrus]

stoned gladiator

[mild thunder]

armed gladiator arms

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-cat-jam-head-bounce-kitty-gif-17946989

[undone pumice]

magical gladiator mage

dead gladiator death knight

[mild thunder]

cuck gladiator rogue

[undone pumice]

retardes gladiator hunter

egg gladiator warlock

[mild thunder]

fotm gladiator demon hunter

legit tho they should've done like

Storming Gladiator this season

since it goes with the whole raszageth thing

[undone pumice]

stormy gladiator shaman

i feel like greta thumberg would.play a priest

[mild thunder]

wouldnt she be a druid?

environment and all

[undone pumice]

no

i dont think druids like bug milk

or well

crushed up bug paste with water

[mild thunder]

average great reset theorist

[undone pumice]

idk man

i dont wanna eat bugs

[mild thunder]

veganism is the future
(i'll kill myself before then)

[undone pumice]

i havent spent a day vegeterian ever i think

mm meat in my mouth

[mild thunder]

ive never been vegetarian because i eat your mum every day

gottem

[undone pumice]

not cool man at least finish her off

[mild thunder]

wasn't greta thunberg arrested this year?

[undone pumice]

idk

yes

in january at a coal mine

wtf tgose still exist

[mild thunder]

what, women?

idk

[undone pumice]

coal mines

[mild thunder]

yea it was in germany iirc

[undone pumice]

thought we were on our way to happy wind turbine noise pollution hell

[mild thunder]

they're still pretty prominent in aus

it's where every yippee dropout bogan goes after they get fired from their construction job for doing coke on-site

[undone pumice]

yippee dropout bogan

he speaks in tongues

[mild thunder]

this ought to clarify

god bless australia 🇦🇺

[grizzled jackal]

does Smexxin play fury in bracket or did he just log off on it does anyone know?

[lucid walrus]

bogan basically just means redneck from what i've been told

[sage raptor]

Why would he log off on it?

[grizzled jackal]

idk world quests? lmao

sorry im just switching over to warrior from lock after not playing for 3 years

[simple rock]

peak hours
saturday night
can't find 1 dps for 3s

[grizzled jackal]

does fury cast ragin blow and onslaught on cd? the icyveins guide seems outdated

[quick carbon]

The best thing ab the changes next in 10.1

Is that we won’t get obliterfucked all game

That’ll be nice

[mild thunder]

yea it's cringe af, esp at higher ratings

[quick carbon]

3v3 is dead stop being so suprised mans

[mild thunder]

rather play dead 3s than cringe soloQ

[quick carbon]

solo q is the future

of wow

these changes were to make healers q shuffle

it iswot it is

[sage raptor]

Better not be the future

[mild thunder]

i still refuse

it's such a boring fucking gamemode

[quick carbon]

it is the future pretending its not is delusional boys

embrace ppl roasting u over not being legend

in durotar

[mild thunder]

if 3s gets worse as the xpac goes on

i'll probs just quit early and wait for riot

i have negative interest in "pushing" soloQ

[sage raptor]

I'll harass people for playing SS until I get banned prolly

You don't "push" you get lucky that everyone else doesn't hard counter you.

[mild thunder]

pushing soloQ is literally just spamming games

which is so boring

[sage raptor]

It's gay

[mild thunder]

WTB lost ark oce servers

[sage raptor]

(Derogatory)

Solo Shuffle has given a voice to a lot of people who don't deserve it.

[mild thunder]

soloQ is definitely the reason why casters are going to be bonkers OP next season

enjoy your caster lobbies as arms when your kick is shorter duration, healers all have precog, casters all have precog for free and an extra pvp talent

and you'll do even less with your 2s of uptime because crit is nerfed

[quick carbon]

wow look at u

im proud

just like me when these changes were announced

[mild thunder]

give me gw2 and lost ark oce servers

pls

pvping on pure NA servers is so cringe

[woeful solstice]

idk man ive had more fun in 3s than in solo

i just waited 40 mins to go 1-5 in a 2600 mmr lobby

solo is dogshit and so is 3s

i think this game is just dogshit

[sharp meteor]

mmm 3s is nice just rough to find teammates

[grand scaffold]

😂

[sharp meteor]

also rating isn't as plentiful as it is in shuffle which makes the teammate thing harder

[topaz tulip]

@mild thunder @grand scaffold It's the start of a very long journey, but at least I made it here

[grand scaffold]

CONGRATS!

[topaz tulip]

I don't think I can do 2.4 though. That shit was hard

[lean burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clap-clapping-applause-gif-10184275

[topaz tulip]

🙇

[grand scaffold]

nah

[hazy isle]

Ill just quit lol. ss is so boring and i like playing with frens

[grand scaffold]

you can do it

but dont push now

just relax

congrats fr on 1800 tho

[mild thunder]

Exactly this - the whole point of an mmo is to play with friends and people you meet. SoloQ literally stops you from doing that lmao

If you want SoloQ PvP, don’t play an mmo

[sharp meteor]

I think that solo is fine/good, it just shouldn't replace standard play.

They fucked up by having it give all the same rewards while being easier and more accessible.

Kind of frags the lower end of the ladder if you can knock out an elite set solo in no time.

[elfin surge]

5cr off CBA

[sharp meteor]

🚀

still a few months in the season

[grand scaffold]

yeah

😦

[mild thunder]

unfortunately the chances of them renegeing on any of the rewards is pretty much zero

the lower end of the casual playerbase would rage like no tomorrow if elite sets were taken out of shuffle

[rapid shore]

lobby of 3 arms :D

[topaz tulip]

Yeah, that's the plan. Gonna chill for week or two and push out mythics for the feat. May try to get my bm or dh up here. Not too sure about that bit though. I was on vacation last week, so maybe that's a big part of why I did so well this week. I went on a 4 game 5/6 win streak before that last match. Kind of shocked it only gave 59 rating.

[topaz tulip]

This is true

[topaz tulip]

Disagree here. A lot of pvp functions the same - whether you solo, duo, or have a full team, you get the same rewards for making it to the same level. Even mobas are like that, and pvp is the only reason they exist. It's a stale taste for old wow players, but it's something most games have been doing for years.

That said, you can find slight differences. Maybe a different tinge or border or title or something to specify the difference between how you got there. The level of achievement remains the same.

No, the rank scaling for 2v2/3v3 needs rebalancing. Number of points per win/loss doesn't equate to teh work put in, compared to shuffle.

I imagine after this season the reward limits are going to change and how much cr you get will as well, across the board. It wouldn't suprise me if they set elite at 3k and staggered everything else from there, or if they gutted cr returns in shuffle and lowered elite to 2k. However they do it, the coming seasons will all look completely different from this one. Initial drop always lacks balance.

[mild thunder]

i wanna reply to this but also cbf because everything is just too wrong to get started

[topaz tulip]

No please do. I wouldn't say anything if I wasn't open to the convo.

[mild thunder]

pvp doesnt function the same in wow - rbgs, arenas, soloQ, they're all distinct and unique game modes with varying degrees of participation, skill-requirement and rating value. the rewards should not be equal between them. the level of achievement between getting legend in soloQ, gladiator in 3s and HotA in rbgs is not even remotely comparable, and neither is getting 1800 in each bracket

2s/3s rating is fine, soloQ awards way, way too much. nothing else to really say here, the current inflation speaks for itself (top-end of soloQ is ~3.6k)

elite has been the same since TBC, they're not changing it, and neither should they. blizz has already hinted that they're going to decimate rating gains in soloQ next season to stifle the inflation, which is the correct solution

in regards to how to increase 2s/3s participation, the best solution is to let 2s die (potentially deleted altogether), while shifting elite sets away from soloQ and into 3s

perhaps add a different 1800 reward for soloQ, such as the seasonal vicious mount

[lucid walrus]

No, the rank scaling for 2v2/3v3 needs rebalancing. Number of points per win/loss doesn't equate to teh work put in, compared to shuffle.

shuffle is just six games in one lobby, abiding by the same quantum mmr rules that we’ve dealt with since forever. it’s also beholden to every reward that premade brackets have, barring a mount. the idea of adjusting rank breakpoints across brackets isn’t honestly an awful idea, i just don’t see it ever coming to fruition. the way that rating inflation works in this game effectively prevents the other 2 brackets from being as much of a vertical climb as shuffle

[mild thunder]

i do genuinely think 2s needs to be let go, it doesn't serve a purpose anymore. all it does is suck away the already dwindling real arena playerbase from 3s

ntm it's become a boring dps/healer snoozefest over the last several seasons, which is only going to get significantly worse come 10.1

[lucid walrus]

“specs aren’t balanced around 2s. it’s a FOTM playground” —> okay delete it

no mortal strike or competitive 2-dps comp? sorry, queue button may as well be grayed out

[mild thunder]

they really should've foreseen this and simply deleted 2s at start of xpac

marketed soloQ as a direct replacement instead of a replacement for 3s/lfg

[lucid walrus]

it would’ve given these full-time 2s rdruids enough time to prepare or unsub

or prepare by unsubbing for that matter

[mild thunder]

what do you meeaann? i love queueing into bm/rdru in 2s, it's so fun (im a masochist)

[lucid walrus]

once i started respecting my own time (not playing two versus two arena or logging more than a double digit number of hrs a week) my life improved drastically

[topaz tulip]

But again, you're talking as someone who plays wow and has done wow pvp regularly. To say you like the old system is fine, and I'm not going to say anything to the contrary. It is a decent system. However, the current setup is still in line with other games pvp. Either every queuing bracket has the same rewards at the same breakpoints, or they have slight differences to differentiate. And this is assuming the reward system even works the same. All this stuff...transmog, mounts...a lot of mmo pvp setups throw it into play-over-time point systems. You get the rewards faster playing at higher ranks, but if you play long enough the number of points to get what you want is still well within reach.

To say the numbers don't need adjustment isn't really accurate. The numbers have to be adjusted based on the number of people playing. When the number of people you have swells too large, you have to either add tiers or expand the brackets. Games that start off with a silver-gold-plat-diamond setup tend to add a bronze/master rank as well, or more, just to keep players moving through the brackets effectively. Wow already does this. The fact that the difference between rival 1 and rival 2 is 150 points instead of the same 200 like the ones below it is indicative of how they're trying to adjust the numbers for the size they want that bracket to be and how many people float below that. The points wow uses now may have been plenty, but we don't know how many people joined pvp because of ss, and we don't know if the brackets are swollen or if some are too empty. We have the player perspective, not the numbers.

If they're already talking about dropping the rating gains for solo, that makes sense. They probably want to bring it more in line with the others before trying to determine where the next break needs to be. Bout to message cap so, p2 inc

[lucid walrus]

wouldn’t be opposed to non-r1 titles being granted at % breakpoints again

[green wyvern]

they should just get rid of 3v3 and make a good objective based game mode

I think they are working on it

[mild thunder]

no

[green wyvern]

ye psure they are

they are hiring for a pvp position too

[mild thunder]

sure, but they shouldn't

wow objectives suck ass

[green wyvern]

they 100% should

nah

u will see

[mild thunder]

i'd rather rbgs removed and downscaled to small 6v6 objective-based modes tho

that'd be fine

2 healers, 4 dps

[topaz tulip]

I can see why you have that perspective, and it goes back to the conversation we had back in december. If they give a different reward, maybe it could increase participation in the other modes, but then again, maybe it just shuts back out most of the player base. I could see the mount itself being a valid reward for r1, but then how many people would want to do that much for a mount? You get one basically for free just by playing matches with no rank attached and people still don't do it. I don't have an answer for how to fix this, because I've never seen a game that made this an issue except league. I wouldn't model shit after league though lol

[green wyvern]

3v3 is obsolete

2v2 is nonexistent

programmers call it deprecated

[mild thunder]

3s aren't obsolete in terms of attraction to players - if they were, soloQ wouldn't be this popular

soloQ is as popular as it is because people want to play 3s, but they can't

[green wyvern]

i mean im talking about

lfg 3v3

[mild thunder]

the better solution would be to revamp lfg

instead of destroying 3s with a shittier version

[green wyvern]

I dont think thats possible tbh

lfg is just lfg

[mild thunder]

with the proper reward/incentive adjustments at the same time, i think it probably would be

[topaz tulip]

The game is longer, but I think that can be excused for the purpose of the mode. I don't think point gains in solo should be as high as they are, especially when they're so small in the other modes. You'd think rank gain in the others would actually be easier in group competitive play...at least, that's how I think.

[lucid walrus]

yeah, and to be fair shuffle adds rules that condense each individual round

i just mean to say that they distribute points the same way. naturally shuffle is substantially easier to climb in lol

slight edit bc i didn’t like that that could be read as potential snark

[topaz tulip]

@mild thunder Bruh. Its made me so sad playing fury. I love getting 100hp off bt 30s into the match. But I get that it's because they just want rounds to end faster. The balancing is just weird.

I wonder if the round robin matches is the problem itself, and if you q'd for regular style 3's most of these problems would go away. But that creates more. Fuckin nightmare to think about. Glad I"m not a dev

[mild thunder]

dampening in soloQ is ridiculous, but it needs to be ridiculous for the games to not go 20 minutes every round

self-healing just shouldnt be a staple defensive for dps classes anymore

[topaz tulip]

Nah I didn't mind it. We're gamers, we gotta have some kind of skin lmao.

And I get what you're saying. That's exactly what i"m saying is wrong though. Lets be fair, the massive numbers in solo rn aren't JUST there because of how easy it is. People are out here crying constantly about how hard it is to find matches in 2's/3's, or how long it takes, and somehow the answer is solely because ss is a cheese bracket? Maybe yall just can't play enough to do the same thing lmao. You experienced this same kind of inflation just a few months ago in 2's/3's, and they definitely weren't dead like they are now. I didn't play SL so idk what that was like for yall, but I imagine the differences aren't as massive as people imagine them to be. I also imagine more people put more matches into solo than anyone ever expected. The giveaway is the inflation. They said they "didn't think they'd need it" for 10 weeks, and then decided to ramp it by 20 points a week?, knowing they were 20 weeks minimum from s2? The example they gave in the blue post didn't give the full picture. They just added 400 points to inflation on top of the numbers people were already getting. Shuffle is probably massive, and they're adjusting like I said in the previous reply, so they can figure out how to scale the numbers next season.

Sorry, tangent. I think that based on the skill that automatically comes with group play, point for wins should be higher there, but lower in solo. If a win would net you 100 cr in group play, you should be looking at ~75-80 in solo. Slower rate of climb to still end up in the same place, specifically because of how accessible it is. Personal opinion.

[lucid walrus]

the popularity of shuffle was definitely unprecedented at the time. the game looks similar to how it did in SL other than S1. talent trees still kinda sucked and pretty much every class had (at least) one less burst cd. it definitely feels as lethal as SL S2 was if not more

[mild thunder]

@undone pumice

[lucid walrus]

scaling back shuffle cr gains is a really interesting take that my brain can’t and won’t try to fully seek the implications of at 4am. you’re definitely also correct about shuffle’s popularity rn being owed to the fact that there’s basically no other game mode

for as controversial as RSS’s announcement was, a massive swath of those opposed just grit their teeth and played once it was released, myself included

[topaz tulip]

My point. I really want blizzard to come and tell the community what has actually happened with shuffle. It would be so much easier to theory craft with a bit more transparency, but I think that's not going to come until next season. How many people are actually playing? How many more is that compared to previous seasons? Why is inflation so high and we're only at the half way mark? Because at this rate, I'd be surprised if the finally numbers weren't above 5k.

[topaz tulip]

I feel like they could have gushed harder about it and had no need to repeat themselves. It definitely lives up to it's name. Meanwhile, execute...

[lean burrow]

but it's not 6 seconds

[scarlet flame]

man sometimes i love hitting execute, sometimes it hits 26k and i wonder why i pressed it

[mild thunder]

it's doing its best

[fickle forge]

Legion classic when?

[topaz tulip]

same bro, same

[scarlet flame]

then it hits 110k + fatality and it gets you high

[fickle forge]

Rookie numbers

[scarlet flame]

im just being realistic

[fickle forge]

Imagine not hitting 150k+

[scarlet flame]

record execute was 165k on some dress guy in a BG for execute

[fickle forge]

Nice saltwater macro

[scarlet flame]

[tepid stag]

does it matter what quality your crafted helmet is

[scarlet flame]

only if you care about anything outside arenas and bgs

[topaz tulip]

You mean like, 90% of the time? Normal "big" for me is like 120 without jug and fatality typically hits during some form of mit

[fickle forge]

If you hit 120k during a wall, you've prob hit 150k+

So yeah

[scarlet flame]

only ability really cracking is MS in arena and SS tbh, i have had some actually disgusting OPs on dudes on low hp tho

[topaz tulip]

for wm, that's about it. Unless you're just trying to gear a character fast for both. I tend to grab the pvp items that fit for alts and use those for quick ilvl boosting.

[fickle forge]

Man I still remember when I hit someone 100 -> 0 with 1 Exe in SL

I miss her every day

[scarlet flame]

F

[fickle forge]

[topaz tulip]

lmfao

[fickle forge]

Bring my conq babe home

[scarlet flame]

honestly id take a nerf to the ability if it actually felt like an execute

OP criting for 70-80k on people lower than 35% hp makes me want to use it more than execute

same with MS

[fickle forge]

Thought the +crit dmg was active at all times?

[scarlet flame]

maybe i haven't logged on in a while

[fickle forge]

Don't quote me, but think it's only the rage gen you get in exe range

[scarlet flame]

you right

still want to use it over execute when it doesn't crit tho

weak exe hits make me soft

[fickle forge]

I just tell myself I'm using Condemn because of the animation

😎👍

[topaz tulip]

I need exe to hit like touch of death, every time. I'll take consistency over random limp noodles any day

[scarlet flame]

love that idea

[topaz tulip]

it's like 100k any time it goes off. An actual execute, if they can get it before someone heals through the global. It can't crit, but 100k off someone below 35% is basically death lol

[scarlet flame]

ive been for 184k lmao

by a fuckin fist weaver too

[mild thunder]

you like the animation???

[fickle forge]

On the contrary

[scarlet flame]

you dont like the overhand execute animation? i love it

[mild thunder]

tbf the animation itself is fine - the damage delay is horrible

[scarlet flame]

yeah that part is cringe

[mild thunder]

the animation is also kinda boring... it's already used on a ton of abilities, not like it's unique

[fickle forge]

The fast swing and exe sound just sounds way deadlier

[mild thunder]

factssss

crunchier

[scarlet flame]

ah well i haven't played retail since mop so its new to me lol

[fickle forge]

Feel like I'm a clown hitting one of these with current animation

[mild thunder]

it should be a glyph so i dont groan to myself every time i run massacre

[scarlet flame]

dont ruin it for me mfers

[mild thunder]

non-massacre animation + classic execute sound addon = godmode

[fickle forge]

It's T R A S H
R
A
S
H

Makes me miss SL more

[mild thunder]

SL classic when

[fickle forge]

Come back to me

[scarlet flame]

what is that

[mild thunder]

i think you mean

[fickle forge]

+400 mast, +22% strength, +30% MS and ghost wolf

Mast and MS was given to the team as well

[mild thunder]

would be very fun with current kitty cleave ngl

[scarlet flame]

22% strength and 30% MS sounds hot

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

man i really should've played more s3/4

[topaz tulip]

I love it

[topaz tulip]

I feel like I'd like that more than spear honestly. Or put the slow back on dragon roar

[grand scaffold]

dmg delay is so awful

[grand scaffold]

nah

we need dragon roar stun

that thing was awesome

[topaz tulip]

Fair, but I can't see them giving that to us when we have intimidate. I'd gladly give intimidate up for dragon roar stun though.

[grand scaffold]

intimidate is a fear tho

[topaz tulip]

Yeah but blizz doesn't seem to like throwing too many aoe locs on people. Aoe snares are one thing, but stuns and fears? How many classes have more than one?

Stun on charge would be nice too, instead of charging into pummel

[grand scaffold]

they should give us shockwave earlier in the tree

maybe thats what we need

[topaz tulip]

Or add it to warbringer. Reduce the damage but stun everyone it hits

[grand scaffold]

nah

that would be toooo op

would be fun as shit tho

i think they should replace uproar with shockwave

so it makes dragonroar stun everybody for 2 sec

[topaz tulip]

How is that less op? lmao

[mild thunder]

that wouldn't be good

[grand scaffold]

why

[mild thunder]

because fucking up your DRs in aoe for a 2 second stun isn't really something you wanna be doing everytime you burst

[grand scaffold]

i mean

you dont need to talent into it theoretically

[mild thunder]

well you'd be losing uproar

which is just good damage

[grand scaffold]

maybe you are right

[mild thunder]

uproar gonna be even better next season

since it'll be an omega pve meta

[grand scaffold]

why is it gonna be better?

[topaz tulip]

Oh? patch notes are out for 10.1?

[grand scaffold]

whats happening that has to do with uproar

[mild thunder]

🪨

less cc/longer games > pve meta > emphasis on damage > uproar stonks

[grand scaffold]

why are games gonna be longer?

ARE THEY FIXING DAMPENING!?!?

[topaz tulip]

i googled since you mentioned. Read with me dogo https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-ptr-patch-notes-class-tuning-and-nerfs-to-interrupts-331761

[mild thunder]

damp only really needs fixing in soloQ

3s damp is fine

[thick reef]

I'm just starting out solo queue and when i win games I get no rating, but when I lose a game I lose like 80

FeelsBadMan

[mild thunder]

that doesn't make sense... fresh rating?

[thick reef]

I started this morning, got to 1.5k

[topaz tulip]

Man fuck blizzard

[mild thunder]

?

[thick reef]

lost, went down 1.4, won again and still stuck at 1.4

[topaz tulip]

How many are you winning when you win?

[mild thunder]

warbringer is disgusting, needs a nerf

[topaz tulip]

the first line mostly

[mild thunder]

rebound buff very nice

[topaz tulip]

nooooo

[thick reef]

usually 3 or 4

[topaz tulip]

I do like rebound change yeah

[mild thunder]

anyone that thinks warbringer is okay or good design for pvp is cringe

[grand scaffold]

bro

[topaz tulip]

bro

[grand scaffold]

how do you think warbringer needs a nerf

[mild thunder]

60k charge is not good lmao

[grand scaffold]

have you seen boomkins

[topaz tulip]

Or that fucking jump swipe on ferals?

[mild thunder]

other classes OP =/= arms should be OP

[topaz tulip]

also how often are you hitting 60k? I get like 30 normally lol

[grand scaffold]

i dont get any of these huge numbers you guys are talking about lmao

[mild thunder]

it's not even a straight nerf

[topaz tulip]

its the crits

[mild thunder]

they're making it actually decent for peel

[topaz tulip]

without a crit it would be like 17

[grand scaffold]

idk about running warbringer after this nerf tbh

[mild thunder]

but yea TL;DR warrior is looking good in 10.1... caster meta will be cringe, but we dampen very, very well and rebound buff good

[grand scaffold]

why is warr looking good im not understanding

[mild thunder]

i just explained why

[grand scaffold]

because of consistant dmg meta?

[mild thunder]

dampen meta > slow games > arms a top tier damp spec > arms stonks

plus we get affected less by reduced cc than classes like rogue or hunter

[lean burrow]

what's the point of rebound with 35 sec cd

[grand scaffold]

ok that makes sense

[lean burrow]

to reflect two imp fireballs

[grand scaffold]

do you think fury is getting fucked?

[topaz tulip]

also an interesting choice

[mild thunder]

who cares about fury

[grand scaffold]

me

😂

[topaz tulip]

same. And fury has no changes

[grand scaffold]

yeah

but meta changing to dampening

dampening kills fury

[lean burrow]

if rebound gave like +5 seconds of magic wall

that'd be good

[mild thunder]

fury potentially gets a little better since it's a pure pve spec

potentially

[grand scaffold]

ok

[mild thunder]

also hard to say anything concrete, it's week 1 of ptr and we don't even have info on tier sets, new embellishments etc

[crimson light]

Guys

Someone must answer this

[mild thunder]

no

[topaz tulip]

why do i feel like druids are gonna be shitting on everyone?

[crimson light]

Do you need to be max lvl to buy stuff on BMAH

there is something I need on another server

[lean burrow]

#general

🤓

[grand scaffold]

no clue

[topaz tulip]

Sorry I missed that you replied earlier. Gimmie a sec

[mild thunder]

yes

[topaz tulip]

@thick reef https://i.redd.it/8ibbhid80nfa1.png

Thing is, if you lose a match, your next match mmr will typically be below your current cr, unless you're in the green. Even if you win, unless you won 5 or 6, the most you're doing is bringing your mmr back to where your cr is. You need to win back to back, or at least break even back to back, in order to balance your gains/losses

[thick reef]

ah ok

that makes sense 😄

kinda new to pvp, usually a pve monkey

[topaz tulip]

Took a while for me to figure it out too bro. You've got time. Learn and ask these guys for help. 100% worth it

[topaz tulip]

Don't really get what about the patch notes makes you think fury will do better. All stuns shortened, great. Also losing gladiators distinction, so doesn't it really just balance back out to the same?

Oh sorry, all stuns and roots. You get like half a second earlier let up on stuff like sap and tangling roots with super long durations

[mild thunder]

i speculated that fury may become slightly better
cc reduced, crit nerfed > slower meta > more damage oriented > pve specs get better > fury stonks

[swift folio]

It will all depend on the tier set

[mild thunder]

potentially, yea

[topaz tulip]

Idk. -25% crit does sound like fury lasts longer, but is that really enough to make it to the next burst window? feels funky

[wheat jay]

almost 2h q now

again

lets gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

pvp so alive

[topaz tulip]

for ss??

[mild thunder]

what? i barely even understand the question

reverting to 150% crit is a massive change and will absolutely curb burst and in conjunction with the cc changes will slow down the meta

all you have to do is ask any BFA survivor

[thick reef]

I'm playing fury in SS do I want to stay as annihilator or go onslaught?

[little lava]

@mild thunder ok mr GALACHAD

u said only recolor

s

what abouut now huh

[wheat jay]

yes

[little lava]

feeling stupid?

[lean burrow]

[mild thunder]

no, because you were still wrong

[wheat jay]

what yall arguing about?

[mild thunder]

he was trying to argue that one of the datamined raid boss mounts was the glad mount

like

4 days ago

[lean burrow]

shame that it wasn't

[topaz tulip]

Annihilator build forces you to use bt more, which would help your survivability and gives you decent aoe to help keep some of those pets down. Onslaught build is nice if you're having trouble with rage gen, and can also give you a really nice burst window since you're hitting an extra ramp. You can do either, but personal preference is for onslaught since you're more worried about single target normally anyway. But I'm trash that just figured out his keybinds.

[mild thunder]

idk how i feel about the new one tbh - would've liked to see some love for the cliffside wylderdrake or the other one

[lean burrow]

this is way better

[mild thunder]

it's mid

[lean burrow]

it even has a saddle

[mild thunder]

it's a shitty obsidian worldbreaker

[little lava]

no no

U SAID

[lean burrow]

wait no, this one has saddle

[little lava]

GLAD MOUNTS ARE ALWAYS RECOLORS

i said it COULD BE

and u said

[wheat jay]

almost all of us were saying that we're gonna get glad recolor of every dragon variant

[little lava]

NO NONNO RECOLORS ONLY

[wheat jay]

which is what we're getting

blizz set it up so easily for us

[mild thunder]

my guy it's from like

4 days

breatehe

chill lmao

[little lava]

bro

no no

[wheat jay]

we even said that the second we saw diff dragons

xD

[thick reef]

ye idm spamming BT, I looked on the ladder for solo shuffle and most people seem to be using this, but idk if people change their talents when they aren't in game to stop people copying them? xD

[little lava]

u were toxic to me then

saying things: dumbfuck

etc

now u are the one

[wheat jay]

toxic in pvp channel

NOOOOO impossible

[mild thunder]

couldnt be me

[wheat jay]

we drink toxic waste to have a good morning

[mild thunder]

i have never used the R word in my life

[lean burrow]

my theory is that metal dragon will end up raid drop

[thick reef]

Remornia?

[little lava]

same

i said it could be glad or raid boss

[wheat jay]

most likely

[mild thunder]

NONONONONOOOO you said

[little lava]

but didnt see he was raid boss

[mild thunder]

that it'd be glad mount

NONONONONO

[topaz tulip]

I don't think anyone gives enough of a shit about that. But if I'm being honest with you, most people aren't even playing fury rn

[little lava]

u are fucking retarded

stupid

[mild thunder]

dude dont be toxic in the pvp channel

[thick reef]

I'm good at fury, mid at arms lul

[little lava]

.

[lean burrow]

Galatard

[little lava]

.

[lean burrow]

sorry not sorry

[little lava]

get some life galatard

all u can do is be negative

[mild thunder]

ofc, you think i come here to be positive?

[little lava]

then be negative somewhere else

[topaz tulip]

Yeah, I thought so too. Then I realized i"m only good at fury in pve, complete dumpster fire in pvp, so now I'm mid at arms in pvp

[mild thunder]

🚫

[little lava]

POV: u talk with galachad

https://tenor.com/view/goat-funny-animals-tongue-lick-gif-11185453

[topaz tulip]

bruh

[mild thunder]

galatard*

[topaz tulip]

lmfao

[little lava]

nickname fluid?

didnt know

[topaz tulip]

okay so, the mount...is that supposed to be the new glad mount?

[lean burrow]

we are not getting it anyway

[topaz tulip]

por why?

[little lava]

speak for urself

[lean burrow]

alright mr big dik

[little lava]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-e-cat-meme-cat-face-gif-23642589

[mild thunder]

3s next season gonna be 💤

[little lava]

isnt it now?

[topaz tulip]

I mean you're more than welcome to try. I've seen a decent handful of fury floating around 16-1700. But the number falls off quick after that. literally 1% of people who made it to 2200 or above are fury. Arms has almost 8xs as many

[little lava]

why u talkin about fury?

who plays fury

[topaz tulip]

seen a couple say fuck it and throw double dagger smf in the field and call it good

oh did I reply to the wrong one?

I did. Lmao

[little lava]

XDDDDD

[topaz tulip]

@thick reef

[topaz tulip]

why you say that?

[lean burrow]

I don't believe in myself

[topaz tulip]

Hey man, you can't be self deprecating when you're good at the game. Leave that for actual trash, like myself.

[lean burrow]

I'm just duelist every season

except shuffle but it doesn't count anyway

[frank knoll]

I may level my DH

[topaz tulip]

honestly curious how far I could actually go in 2s/3s. Too bad I don't have pvp healer friends

[frank knoll]

DH looking like they’re having fun

[topaz tulip]

I actually like dh but hate the elitist community. Always imagine they're really just rogs that got bored

[frank knoll]

Naw rogue and DH play way diff

[mortal elm]

Who plays a healer, maybe as an alt in this subchat?

druid pvp chat is so deda

dead*

[frank knoll]

There’s a big diff between a good DH and a bad one though

[swift folio]

cant you say this about every class ?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[topaz tulip]

talkin about personality, not playstyle. What classes play the same besides casters?

@mild thunder this one makes more sense than the other for a glad mount https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-2-gladiator-mount-appearance-331819?webhook

[mild thunder]

sure, but some classes exaggerate it significantly more than others

gap between a shit and good fury warr is probably a lot smaller than a shit and good sub rogue

[topaz tulip]

This is true. Like watching that one mage doing 2m dam while you're standing on top of them, vs the one that couldn't do 500k before they died

[latent hazel]

most frost mages think they have to cast to do damage

but they just need to spam ice lance

lmao

[wheat jay]

i think i now know what elo hell is

its not being unable to climb

its being unable to find games cuz qs take forever XD

[frank knoll]

Idk rogue players will either always play rogue because they think their IQ is too high to play anything else, or reroll the most broken OP spec which may be DH

[scarlet flame]

Isn’t spell reflect already a 25 second cd? So it would be 45 seconds with rebound

And I always thought aside from reflecting like important spells the better part of it was the magic damage reduction

Still think rebound is a dogshit pvp talent

[wheat jay]

had 2 shuffles in over 3 hours

man

[frank knoll]

Yeah, the point of spell reflect is to reflect an important spell like clone or mindgames or stop a nuke like glacial spike. Not kill someone with their own spell. Rebound is pointless just give us overwatch back

[mild thunder]

new rebound reflects 2 spells, which is handy

chances of getting gimmicked are lower, plus it'll reflect two instant spells in a short period of time instead of trying to reflect a glacial and only reflecting the ice lance

[mild thunder]

math aint mathing

[frank knoll]

That’s sick I didn’t know it reflected two spells now

[mild thunder]

well by now i mean 10.1

[frank knoll]

So next season?

[mild thunder]

ye

[scarlet flame]

Thought it was 20 seconds added my b

Warbringer change is cringe, damage is whatever dumb as fuck to nerf it but the range isn’t the issue with it, it just doesn’t root most of the time make it wider or actually track the way you’re facing

[mild thunder]

i heard they're fixing the bugs but idk if that's true

the dmg nerf is well-warranted tho

[scarlet flame]

If a paladin can hit me from range with templars verdict and judgment for 100k+ I really don’t care about a 60k crit from charge

[mild thunder]

paladin is a hybrid spec, warrior isnt

also complaining about ret when it's a swampass spec

[scarlet flame]

Ret is hybrid spec

[undone pumice]

rebound rn is still funny af

[scarlet flame]

I’m not complaining about ret, I’m saying the other melee classes are throwing abilities that do more damage who cares about warbringer damage

And 65% is a big amount now it’s just a root talent omegalul

[undone pumice]

rebound sr a chaos bolt or glacial spike or even hoj is funny af

[mild thunder]

that's just a horrible approach to design and tuning

neither of the abilities you mentioned are problematic... warriors doing 60k with a gap closer that they can immediately tie into an ms or execute is

[undone pumice]

wdym man

[scarlet flame]

I’ll remember this take when I’m being triangled by ranged classes

[undone pumice]

doing 60k in an aoe into a 200k mortal or exe is completely fine

shut up cock gnome

[scarlet flame]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[mild thunder]

balanced

[frank knoll]

Doesn’t regular charge already root

[mild thunder]

yea but warbringer aoe

[scarlet flame]

Idk who’s hitting 200k executes or mortals on vers geared characters

[frank knoll]

Nobody

[mild thunder]

and longer duration

i hit 200k skullsplitters instead

[undone pumice]

based

[frank knoll]

Biggest exe I’ve it is 130k and it was on a dust MW

[scarlet flame]

The root means literally nothing when you’re against casters

[undone pumice]

the root isnt what make sit strong

[mild thunder]

so... dont run it into casters? lmao

[undone pumice]

because of bugs it is arguably a worse root

[scarlet flame]

Run it vs casters to get damage

[frank knoll]

There will literally be no reason to take warbringer now which I’m okay with