pvp

[old trail]

can I macro avatar, sweeping strikes, and sharpen blade to the same button?

[mild thunder]

sharpen is a buff to your next ms, which applies the sharpened debuff

and no, the less abilities macro'd together the better

[sharp meteor]

Please do not do this.

[lucid walrus]

there are like 3 rules to playing warrior and not macroing absurd shit is one of them

[sharp meteor]

So many weird macro questions. It's like "can i bind impending into healthstone and parry along with rally".

[mild thunder]

the worst part is people saying it's a good idea

[sharp meteor]

Like, I have a bind that has ms and sharpen together. But I also have ms by itself.

[mild thunder]

the only macro's i use now are focus, some cancelaura stuff and stance-swapping

[sharp meteor]

I think it's just trying to reduce buttons by having stuff together when a lot of it shouldn't be.

[mild thunder]

thing is, warrior has so few buttons compared to most specs

people trying to make macros for arms/fury would die if they played sv or feral

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[grand scaffold]

i used to only have ms and sharpen macro

so it was used on cd

😂

[sharp meteor]

So heroic.

[mild thunder]

[old trail]

Damn arms does some CRAZY dmg

[mild thunder]

omega S tier spec

[old trail]

Just destroyed a warlock

holy

[fossil mortar]

Too lazy to check. Fury buff had any semblance of an effect or still 🐕?

[fickle forge]

Too lazy to answer

[fossil mortar]

[indigo barn]

Still meh to arms

[fossil mortar]

In other words, still shit

One day blizz will do another dumdum, buff CB or something. Untill then Fury must wait

[grand scaffold]

very mediocre

[mild thunder]

all fury really needs to be A tier is a defensive buff imo

maybe a proper ms, but i dont even think it needs it

[grand scaffold]

just unnerf warpaint

and extend enrage duration

change bloodbath to 3% instead of 2%

problems solves

[mild thunder]

1% extra hp on bloodbath would be pathetic

especially in soloQ

[grand scaffold]

its like

50% more healing from bloodbath

[mild thunder]

it's 1% extra hp on an ability you only press now-and-again with the new onslaught build

imo they need to just move away from enraged regen or fix dampening

[grand scaffold]

onslaught build goofy

not a fan

ooh

fixing dampening

pretty good idea

[mild thunder]

and the bt spam isn't?

[grand scaffold]

i dont mind bt spam tbh

[mild thunder]

[grand scaffold]

are you playing onslaught build?

i flopped when i used it

😦

[mild thunder]

that's just fury

the onslaught build has the exact same defensive capacity as the bt build

[grand scaffold]

maybe

[mild thunder]

literally

[grand scaffold]

idk my mind swaps away from pressing bt whatsoever when i start playing that build

[fickle forge]

ER is an insane wall doe

[grand scaffold]

er is pretty good

you're like unkillable during it

[mild thunder]

you're definitely not unkillable through ER

disarm

bam you're killable

kited

[fickle forge]

You still get a full wall

[mild thunder]

bam you're killable

[fickle forge]

During stuns

[mild thunder]

30% on a 2min CD, it's decent and great for stuns

but the self-healing aspect is just not great w/ current dampening and influx of ms effects

[fickle forge]

Lowkey one of the best walls in the game

[mild thunder]

ehhhhh

[fickle forge]

Locks be getting the same on a 3 min CD

Any wall you can use during a stun is insane

[grand scaffold]

[mild thunder]

yea but locks also get a bubble for almost their entire hp on a 1 min CD, better self-healing and better passive mitigation

[lucid walrus]

not really sure what the melee analogue is for being unkickable

[grand scaffold]

undisarmable

[lucid walrus]

something like that

[fickle forge]

We're talking defensively though

[mild thunder]

being undisarmable is a great defensive boost

means you could actually heal with those big, buffed bloodthirsts

[fickle forge]

If you had a wall that made you undisarmable, I guarantee you that it'd be used to secure burst damage with instead

[grand scaffold]

yahy

yah

[mild thunder]

literally every cringe arms player that parries to stop being disarmed

but yea im not arguing that fury should be undisarmable

just that the self-healing part of enraged regen is pretty shit atm, and either it would be better to take it away and turn it into something else or nerf dampening

[fickle forge]

And they win cause of it

😎👍

[mild thunder]

eh, i dont do it very often - would rather trade one of 2 bladestorms for it instead

[fickle forge]

I swear Blizo pulled that stunt on me every other game in SL

You can trade BS for it now for sure, now that Avatar is an off-GCD BS

[mild thunder]

arms is just too squishy now too, trading parry that early offensively is a big risk imo

[grand scaffold]

maybe thats what saves smf

immunity vs disarm

[mild thunder]

what

[grand scaffold]

i mean

we get less stamina and stats in general

dmg becomes lower

but cant be disarmed

[mild thunder]

no

[lucid walrus]

already-bad tuning is a poor idea to balance around

[mild thunder]

it does like 1% less dmg, and the stamina boost of like 20k is definitely not enough to justify an undisarmable warrior lmao

[lucid walrus]

on top of weapon chain being completely goofy to add for a disparity like that lol ^

[mild thunder]

the biggest issue rn with smf is just that you have to dump 2 points to do less dmg lol

actual retarded design

[lucid walrus]

it's really, really surprising they didn't go with a choice node

or at least made TG and SMF split at somewhere that made them effectively mandatory in the tree

[mild thunder]

wasnt it a choice node at start of beta? then they split them up

then they removed TG

but kept smf

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild thunder]

idk fury tree is weird... the whirlwind stuff seems really weirdly placed, ravager is omega-boring and way too strong in pve, the tree forces you to pick between bt and rb and the capstones are dull

[grand scaffold]

can you play ravager in pvp?

it hits hard

[lucid walrus]

dunno

[mild thunder]

can =/= should

tbf the only reason it's really taken in ST pve is for the 30% str boost

[grand scaffold]

i mean

the tooltip is like 100k dmg

so with modifiers its kinda nice

wouldnt 30% be good in pvp too?

[mild thunder]

it's 15% in pvp

[grand scaffold]

oh

but

isnt that still good?

[mild thunder]

it's also <100k over 10 seconds

and they just walk out of it

so in reality it's like 30k dmg on a 1.5m CD

annihilator fury would've been very, very cool if reckless abandon weren't a thing

[grand scaffold]

what

isnt that the only thing that makes it playable

[mild thunder]

no?

it was already a pretty much gcd-locked playstyle that actually had to manage its CDs in a super fun way

felt very oldschool

[grand scaffold]

wouldnt you just run out of buttons without reckless abandon?

bt

slam

bam

[mild thunder]

no

especially not with fury tier set, not that it was needed

you just had to weave bt between most abilities while keeping slam, ww, onslaught and execute on CD

and it helped to take the +30 rage talent to hold rampages

i was actually super excited for it before the RA changes in beta

[grand scaffold]

hmm

have you tried playing with anger management?

[mild thunder]

a bit, defs dont like it in pvp

[grand scaffold]

how come

[mild thunder]

i would never play the anni build in pvp without RA, it's too convoluted and has no burst

and i dont like playing rb w/o cb, also stops you from being able to bt spam during ER

[grand scaffold]

i think we need old crushing blow back

mini charge

[mild thunder]

no way

[grand scaffold]

why not

it was so good

[mild thunder]

idk why they even add that stuff at all - bad for pve, stupid for pvp

[grand scaffold]

do you like fun things?

[mild thunder]

it was fun for fury warriors that could lick their keyboards and pve through a match with perma 40% ms and infinite mobility from one button

it wasnt fun for anyone that versed them

[fickle forge]

What lol

Arms be out here pushing 7k+ HPS, it's mad durable

[mild thunder]

too squishy to want to be trading dbs offensively
not that arms is squishy overall

[wheat jay]

Arms is everything But squishy xD

In any situation

Y'all should play some hunter then you'll see what's squishy

[fickle forge]

Even without parry, the passive defensives are good

It's not SL outlaw levels, but you can push situations where other specs would flop

[mild thunder]

again, they're good but not good enough to want to trade dbs to avoid a disarm in the opener

unless you're very confident of winning early

[fickle forge]

Well yeah

That's the package deal for using defensives offensively

But it pays off

The Hpala I used to play with would throw his BoPs to the wind just to get Disarm off me

Then we'd kill 1 setup later

[mild thunder]

most of those games i'd already be running bmt for off-gcd bs and i'd much rather avoid a disarm that way
other times i could parry a disarm would be into rogue and im definitely not doing that

bopping a disarm is fine into some matchups imo, but that's different - they've already wasted the disarm so you know 100% they cant disarm you out, bop is easily dispelled into most comps and you're playing purely to zug in the opener

it's also different now because we have more wriggle-room around disarms with AM... it's not SL where every cs gets insta-shut down and we have to throw the refrigerator at the enemy team to prevent it

[wheat jay]

Well, still

Arms is durable enough to sometimes throw it

Meanwhile survi can't overstay in melee

[mild thunder]

sv players complaining about being squishy while they can do almost an entire rotation at 30yd range and have incredible mobility to avoid damage

[wheat jay]

Wish i could do max dmg from range at all times

Also, 40

[warped warren]

[mild thunder]

I thought you wanted sv to be a melee, non-pet spec

Which is just… a warrior

[wheat jay]

I do but with how squishy it is its impossible

Sadly

[wheat jay]

Well, with shitton of cc and utility

[mild thunder]

So, rogue?

[fickle forge]

Delete the pet at least

😎👍

Would alt the fk out of hunter if you could PvP without pet

[mild thunder]

idk full melee sv sounds boring, the mishmash melee/ranged playstyle is unique

id rather full-ranged sv again than full-melee

[wheat jay]

Ye but not gay

Bro

Just give it aspect of the eagle as toggle

Like dstance

And make it do less dmg from range

Then have melee counterparts do more dmg or have some effects

Make melee Serpent Sting hit closest enemy nextt to your target

Killshot applying +20% dot

Done

[mild thunder]

that's way too much effort for blizz

[wheat jay]

Full range/melee hybrid with advantages when in melee

And fucking prevoker with their 2030 wow design wasnt too much effort?

[mild thunder]

evoker is a pretty simple ass spec

there's no incentive for blizz to make specs like you're describing because they're never popular

people wanna lick their keyboards and play dh

[hot solstice]

I love this game

[mild thunder]

i mean, were you fucking rogue DRs?

[hot solstice]

u know how chat works?

[mild thunder]

no, i am functionally retarded

[hot solstice]

it say ''to dh''-basically meaning I was on rog

[warped warren]

is he wrong?

you do zdps?

[hot solstice]

about damage? guess dh has to do way more compared to sub but

[warped warren]

zdps confirmed

gg

[mild thunder]

mf gained 4 rating

at 1250 mmr

[hot solstice]

like imagine being sub rog and w8ting ur drs to do damage...just to see some monkey mess ur dr

nah anyway 200 conq to da pocket...need gear this char

[mild thunder]

cant you kill in a 1/2 kidney + duel at that rating anyway?

[hot solstice]

I wish it was 1/2 at least not immune

[copper hare]

do more dmg bro

wait how does someone drop to 1.2 mmr

[frank knoll]

I feel like shattering throw kinda sucks v mage

They usually block when theyre low, by the time you get the cast off and shatter block they’re recovered like 60% hp

[mild thunder]

Shatter sucks into everything

It’s just bad

[frank knoll]

Wish it was insta cast

[mild thunder]

Warrior shouldn’t have shatter at all. It just doesn’t make sense with the class fantasy, and it’s not a tool that we need. Wrecking throw fits our niche better and I’d be happy enough for shatter to go

[frank knoll]

Yeah but for it to be useful it would have to be Insta cast

[hot solstice]

fresh char maybe?

[copper hare]

but you cant queue without pvp gear no

[hot solstice]

bg gear not enough?

[copper hare]

sounds like a l2p issue

[sonic belfry]

Do we use tier pieces for pvp?

[muted surge]

Yes

[shy aurora]

Ah i tought new season was 21 xd

[frank knoll]

I feel like rally doesn’t do shit

[tawny brook]

Should I be doing shield block in dragonflight pvp as arms?

Can that still be done

[shy aurora]

No

Leave it in spellbook

[light temple]

hello, just got a warrior to 70. which arms build is it that blows my windwalker up?

[limber relic]

guys

whats the best 3v3 comp for arms?

is it stil ret? or is thundercleave stronger?

[wheat jay]

Every build

[light temple]

🥹

[mystic prairie]

Blizz should replace shatter with instant melee range condemn animation hit that breaks IB, how's that for class fantasy?

with reasonable CD timer, too

[shy aurora]

Or pre shatter

[torpid roost]

Or make it do overrun damage when shattering a bubble

[torpid roost]

Against double melee dps when you're the target you can make a case for it, otherwise no, never

[frank knoll]

https://twitter.com/vanguardstv/status/1633627681228214273

Vanguards (@VanguardsTV)

Last Ret PvP changes had 6+ lines of nerfs in one go and it made most rets quit. As a ret that queues 3s actively, I haven't fought against a Ret in over a month.

This is the newest PTR PvP changes. Plz look into more PvP changes if it proves to be too much again @WarcraftDevs

Twitter · Mar 9, 2023, 12:36 AM

[limber relic]

guys

good 3s comp for arms?

[zenith marlin]

ugh hurt my lower back again

[green anchor]

you got bent by frost mages

[copper hare]

Would be funny if ret was insanely undertuned after all the rework stuff

[lucid walrus]

what’s this obsession with nerfing or buffing healing hands by 20% every 5 minutes

i don’t understand

[elfin surge]

Destro Arms
Sp Arms
Frost Mage Arms
Boomy Arms

[limber relic]

ty 😗

[mild thunder]

What?

[limber relic]

what healers do u pref bro?

[elfin surge]

Disc Rsham Disc Disc

[limber relic]

ty bby 😗

i think 3v3/2v2 is ded

[elfin surge]

reeaally

[limber relic]

i mean i thought mby it would start to become active now when season is gna end soon

but na

ded af

[elfin surge]

we prob got more than 2 months left still

[limber relic]

yee kinda

may-june

[elfin surge]

easier to play shuffle and earn rewards

[limber relic]

but i want glad 😦

i already got 2.9 in shit Q

cba more

[scarlet barn]

Mud Mod when

[sage raptor]

its a prot kind of day

[limber relic]

thundercleave any good rn?

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[mystic prairie]

yes

[mild thunder]

No one wants more condemn animation stuff, it’s bugged to fuck. Instant shatter is also a horrible, broken idea. Warrior just doesn’t need a way to go through invulnerabilities

[sage raptor]

quit being a bitch

making pallys and such cry is fun

[mild thunder]

Disc makes hpala cry more than our shatter ever did

[hazy isle]

Lol literally no one gives a fuck about shatter when md exists

[mild thunder]

It’s a shit ability and we don’t need it anymore

[sage raptor]

untrue

[elfin surge]

Arms warrior has a 50% wall (better than my pain suppression) on a 11 SECOND cooldown, Incredibly busted. Ignore pain needs to be a 3min cd to balance it. Dont even get me started on how broken a permanent 20% wall is. D stance def needs to be looked at as well.

[sage raptor]

"lets remove an ability 🤓 "

[mild thunder]

So they could add something more meaningful instead? Yes

[sage raptor]

or

add something without taking something away

the search for balance in a game that never sees is it an exhausting idea

might as well be your class thats top dog

[mild thunder]

I’m not talking about balance. Shatter just isn’t good, isn’t fun, doesn’t fit class fantasy and feels like an outdated ability. If removing it gave Blizzard cause to add some better utility to the spec (safeguard/overwatch choice node pls), then I think that’d be a good change

[elfin surge]

ok seriously tho

am i the only one who has lost track what % d stance is

they've changed it 20 times

[spice hornet]

Same

[worthy fern]

I’d take safeguard/over watch over shatter 10 times out of 10

[shy aurora]

Miss your streams mud

[worthy fern]

Even when shatter is good it’s not

[spice hornet]

Feels bad to have to stand there and try to cast it

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-gif-25488313

[worthy fern]

Almost always Better to just hit someone else

Let’s be honest though war isn’t getting anything else for a long time

[mild thunder]

True

Unless we get a rework in 11.0, which they probably won’t

[spice hornet]

Had some lock in shuffle to 0-6 and he rage whispered me after saying I costed him a win cause I didn’t play shatter when a fire mage blocked (we had a disc on our team so?)

[worthy fern]

Oddly I think my only 0-6 on any char all xpac was on my monk into a fire mage.

Was like fire mage ele and war I think?

[fickle forge]

Telling you, I giga missed it in BFA

[scarlet barn]

Make it break turtle too

[full quiver]

Surprised u didn't get it on every class

[torpid roost]

make wrecking throw a charge-cast, at full charge, it shatters

pause attacks but allow movement

[sharp meteor]

Still no Darius Q ability

[copper hare]

lol the first notes for the 10.1 patch in summer (so new season) seems spicy!

big interrupt and cc nerfs

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-ptr-patch-notes-class-tuning-and-nerfs-to-interrupts-331761

they really want pvp to just be a pve meta

Rebound (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Spell Reflection reflects the next 2 incoming spells cast on you and reflected spells deal 50% extra damage to the attacker. Spell Reflection’s cooldown is increased by 10 seconds.

SHEEEESH

[boreal veldt]

Not sure if the 10sec increased cd is worth it

[steep inlet]

Critical Strike PvP Value
At the beginning of Shadowlands, we increased the Critical strike damage and healing value to 175% from 150% in PvP (from the normal 200%). We will be reverting this change, so the Critical Strike value will be 150% in PvP to address our burst concern.

We recognize this will slow down game pacing, and we will keep an eye on it to ensure it isn’t too slow. Alongside class changes, we intend to adjust the primary stat gain from Gladiator’s Distinction as a tuning knob to keep PvP pacing in a healthy place.

NOOOOOOOO

return to BFA blerg blerg

[copper hare]

full haste gaming

[boreal veldt]

gotta test it

i like having access to crit spear and also haste bleed

[green anchor]

Warbringer nerf... I called it

[boreal veldt]

Warbanner getting an unintended buff though

[copper hare]

rogues not being able to blind into sap anymore is beautiful

makes me kinda wet ngl

[simple rock]

you never fight mages without priest on your team? kfc shits on mages for example but you really want a way to remove block

[boreal veldt]

Arms
Duel (PvP Talent) – Characters in a duel are now highlighted for each other.

i hope it turns both characters pink

[slender lion]

65% warbringer dmg nerf :/

[green anchor]

It roots further but it's probably gonna be better to pick a different talent instead

[simple rock]

nooo, now rets will actually know they got dueled

[hazy isle]

Would orc be better now again?

10.1

[boreal veldt]

I'd say so, if they don't address it

[slender lion]

dark iron dwarf?

i seen tht lol

[simple rock]

holy fuck rmp malding

with these cc changes

biggest pvp changes in years

[boreal veldt]

Gonna be real mad when i warbanner their already short cc chains

o o p s

[steep cairn]

Does haste become slightly better for arms if crit damage is nerfed to 150%?

[tawny brook]

Where can I find these changes

[steep cairn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-ptr-patch-notes-class-tuning-and-nerfs-to-interrupts-331761

[boreal veldt]

Gotta test it, but probably. It does nerf spear by relation.

[tawny brook]

Thank you

[mild thunder]

To be fair, it’s not as drastic as it seems with the trinket bonus reversal. Still very good tho

[old trail]

Arms wants badge and not insignia right?

[sage raptor]

fury getting thunderstruck is cute

[quick carbon]

These changes are absolutely dogshit

[fickle forge]

Wow guys sure can't wait to chuck my super meaningful 2.4 sec stun vs all the orc rerollers

[quick carbon]

It’s actually fucking crazy

[mild thunder]

I pre-rolled orc because I knew the 5% reduc was going away

[little lava]

do u think its gonna be a new glad mount?

[mild thunder]

Dude it’s a raid boss

[little lava]

or from raiding mythic boss

oh

[mild thunder]

How does this keep getting around

[little lava]

so it can be mount from boss

u have fucking saddle on it bro

now tell me otherwise

[mild thunder]

If it were a mount, it’d be from a raid boss

[little lava]

.

[mild thunder]

The glad mounts are just recolours of each other

Same as every expac

[little lava]

u dont know they might change it

[mild thunder]

[little lava]

its like u never thought cross faction guild would be a thing

[mild thunder]

Yea, for the first time ever, even though they have literal dragonflights to colour each mount after

[little lava]

why are u so narrow minded

[mild thunder]

Why are you so retarded

[wispy cedar]

WHERE IS SCOOBERZ

@full quiver

[copper hare]

if my grandma had wheels, she would be a bike

[wispy cedar]

PLEASE KEEP SCOOBERZ OUT OF MY DMS

[mild thunder]

?
He said it might be a glad mount. I pointed out glad mounts are only ever recolours

[green wyvern]

maybe

[little lava]

but they can change it bro

u never know

like i said

[green wyvern]

maybe the glad mount

not sure yet

[full quiver]

why are u tagging me

[copper hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-RfHC91Ewc

[little lava]

nah nah only recolours

[full quiver]

also why are you in war disc when you've never played warrior

[copper hare]

you're such a fucking zoomer

[wispy cedar]

STAY OUT OF MY DMS SCOOBERZ

[mild thunder]

After 15 years? No

[little lava]

So why they will enablle cross faction guilds in 10.1?

AFTER 15 YEARS

[mild thunder]

That’s not the same thing you dumbfuck, holy shit

[little lava]

XD?

why are u so toxic the fuck man

[full quiver]

r u having a stroke

[mild thunder]

Are people spamming forums asking for non-recolour glad mounts like they were for cross-faction stuff?

[wispy cedar]

wdym

[little lava]

are ppl spamming forums to reduce ccs in game?

just asking

[mild thunder]

It’s probably come up more than glad mount complaints

[sage raptor]

I know it's too early to be upset but why they gotta get rid of Sword and Board? Lol

[mild thunder]

Residual Troma prot nerfs

They’re still after him

[sage raptor]

@steep inlet AHHHH

Now I'm gonna enjoy 2s slightly less now

What an inconvenience

[steel trout]

these cc changes LMAOOO

[steep inlet]

This patch has 10% good things

And rest is disgusting

[sage raptor]

Fury got thunderstruck. If that's any indication as to how this will go lol.

[uneven turret]

isn't reduced interrupt a huge buff to casters/nerf to melee in general?

[mild thunder]

reduced interrupts would be fine into healers

[stark agate]

Warbringer crits into immediate exe crits were satisfying indeed, sad to see the nerfs

[mild thunder]

but casters it's fucked

[wheat jay]

Pvp ded

Do i roll ret now for zugging?

XD

[green wyvern]

legitimately removing the ability to blind sap is a massive nerf to the skillcap of rogues, one expac ago we could reliably kidney sap. it's not a free interaction, it costs us a dance or a vanish, but it's a gamewinner, if you restrict the ability to do that we're just a stinky windwalker, or DH, or DK with one off micro-CCs for healers. i absolutely hate that change

[mild thunder]

ret isnt even gonna be good at this rate

[wheat jay]

Reworked tho

[mild thunder]

the rework actually looks ass on ptr

[wheat jay]

Maybe it will be fun

And if its fun I'll play it

Cuz survi is gonna be dead

Kfc dead

Thug dead

[mild thunder]

eh, ret just looks like rogue with less buttons now

[copper hare]

short interrupt aint bad against casters

[wheat jay]

Cant get a single global before throwing a trap

[copper hare]

you can still stormbolt them for 3 seconds

xd

[wheat jay]

I dont even think I'll get a trap from full range if I stun first

Orc racial, not 3s

XD

[quick carbon]

If ur not playing frost mage

Ur not trying

[mild thunder]

if you play frost mage, you barely have to try

[sharp meteor]

Most likely glad drake, ye.

[hollow ore]

-65% dmg on warbringer

What the actual fuck

[sharp meteor]

Warbringer?

That's fine.

[hollow ore]

Its the funniest talent we ever had

Ye warbringer*

[sharp meteor]

It stil does the same thing.

Just less damagur.

[copper hare]

Id rather have warbringer working correctly than the dmg

[wheat jay]

But it was stupid tbh

Ye xd

[sharp meteor]

a 1300% buff to charge was stupid mang

[mild thunder]

this

[tardy flame]

Are they going to make it actually work as written alongside nerfing the damage?

[sharp meteor]

the aoe root is too much fun when people clump especially in bgs

just pin a whole crowd

[hollow ore]

Nothing was more sarisfying than charging execute pop someone after they tried running away tho

[tardy flame]

Pin the whole crowd, or completely whiff on one dude with a speed buff

[mild thunder]

honestly they should've turned warbringer into a normal talent

so charge-weaving would be meaningful in pve

[wheat jay]

Nah they dont want it meaningful there

[sharp meteor]

lol no that'd be so bitched about

[wheat jay]

It shouldnt be a required thing either

More like a small bonus if you can do it

[hollow ore]

If its a small bonus its required and thus will be bitched about, you know the rules

We cant have nice things

[wheat jay]

Aight, wow pvp is over

Was fun guys

I cba playing pve but against players

[steep inlet]

This patch is fucking atrocious

For real

Imagine stormbolting Orc for 2 seconds LOL

Or double caster perma precog

No crits long games

Bleh bleh

[wheat jay]

Fam

[verbal pine]

only thing i can say at least as a prot meme is that it feels like we oddly got a buff from these changes

[wheat jay]

I can't EVEN STUN TRAP in 10.1

[verbal pine]

spammable 4 sec root and shield bash just rolled into SS instead

[hot solstice]

so, do we go shockwave now lol

or do they nerf it to be 1 sec?

[crimson light]

This patch is amazing for fury

[wheat jay]

Its terrible for everything

[crimson light]

High throughput damage is now s tier

[wheat jay]

Shit's gonna be so disgustingly boring

[crimson light]

Welcome to the true zug meta

[wheat jay]

So, same as now?

But cc is even more useless

[stark agate]

Hey guys do I go kyrian or venthyr for this upcoming patch?

[wheat jay]

Necrolord

For more zugzug

[indigo barn]

Fae for non Dr CC

[steep inlet]

Lol

You didn’t see ?

They removed Sword and Board PvP talent

Prot is even more dead

[verbal pine]

oh fuck, that explains what that shit was, nvm...

maybe they can give us back full outburst benefit then now that SaB is gone

[mild thunder]

you still get 3 seconds of stun to trap the healer... most healers are not orc

[verbal pine]

seems odd to remove SaB after nerfing crits in pvp in general anyways

[wheat jay]

And if they are then its 2.4

Meaning if im full range i cant get a trap off of it xD

[mild thunder]

druid cant be orc, pala cant be orc, priest cant be orc, druid cant be orc...

and rsham is shit

idk i think people are massively overblowing how bad these changes are

we all agreed that cc creep had gotten out of control, now they're drawing back the flat 15% CCR to tune things independently... this is definitely not a final list of the changes, and it's not all bad

[wheat jay]

CC changes are literally horrible

[green wyvern]

none of the changes matter

[wheat jay]

For everyone xD

[green wyvern]

until they revive 3v3

[wheat jay]

They won't

[green wyvern]

ye

[wheat jay]

This 100% won't revive it

All the changes are more suited for solo shuffle

[green wyvern]

Im not gonna pvp next seas

[mild thunder]

curious to see what they have in mind considering they said they're looking at it

[wheat jay]

Well, 1800 for Elite set

[crimson light]

Dunno why you warriors are complaining when you literally got buffed from these changes

You just zug

[mild thunder]

artji isnt a warrior

[green wyvern]

nobodys complaining bro

[wheat jay]

Because its bad for the game overall

It makes the game boring

[crimson light]

So the game type that 90% of pvpers are playing

[frank knoll]

We should be able to get the old elite sets

[wheat jay]

I am complaining 100%

[green wyvern]

ye but hes hunter

[wheat jay]

Cuz those changes are bad

Ye and for warrior its gonna be more boring too

[crimson light]

2s storm bolt kekw

[wheat jay]

Its gonna turn pvp into pve

[green wyvern]

regardless I think

[wheat jay]

Which is shit

[green wyvern]

they might make soylo THE game mode

[wheat jay]

Cc and coordination was a skill expression in arena

Now its going to be partially gone

[green wyvern]

and remove 3v3

[mild thunder]

hardcore doubt

[green wyvern]

leave an option for premades aka wargames

[wheat jay]

At this point they could

XD

[mild thunder]

they've already said they want a new way to incentivise 2s and 3s

they're not deleting it

[wheat jay]

Also, I do play some warr

[green wyvern]

I dont trust them at all

[mild thunder]

😴

[wheat jay]

So they removed coordination from coordinated bracket?

[green wyvern]

ye

[frank knoll]

Why can’t we just have solo regular 2s and 3s

[mild thunder]

my guy, you still get 9sec of cc on the healer every 30 sec

not including priest fear

it's not the end of the world

[wheat jay]

I dont even mean myself lol

[mild thunder]

jungle right now just PvEs with bm damage anyway lmao

"oh i missed trap? kill anyway"

[quick carbon]

I wonder if the crit change

Nerfs warrior

[frank knoll]

Rogue will be mad

RMP

[wheat jay]

Rogues kinda dead xD

[crimson light]

Rogue is dead

If blind goes to 5s

[wheat jay]

Rmp, thug, rogue+spriest

[crimson light]

6 is playable

[quick carbon]

ww stocks increased

[frank knoll]

Good

[crimson light]

If they don't buff rogue throughout then its truly dead

[wheat jay]

And that's far from enough when it comes to killing someone

[crimson light]

The real OP class here is feral

[crimson light]

Why does it stop blind into sap

[wheat jay]

6s they get out of combat

[crimson light]

In shuffle I literally win rounds by pressing sap into blind

[wheat jay]

The blinded target

[crimson light]

Just those two buttons XD

[wheat jay]

Its not sap into blind

But blind into sap

[crimson light]

Yes sorry mb

Dunno why people ever blind into sap

Most healers always trinket blind

[wheat jay]

If they dont have trinket

Then its eternal cc

[crimson light]

Warriors got giga buff from this change

[wheat jay]

They did

[crimson light]

Me fury

Me zug zug

[mild thunder]

fury 💤

[frank knoll]

Maybe that’s why mage gets a mortal strike now

[crimson light]

This is fury patch

[sage raptor]

it drs now.

[frank knoll]

Because of the cc nerfs

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay this u?

[wheat jay]

No, but I agree xD

[verbal pine]

ok makes more sense, ty

[wheat jay]

It is going to be a pve fiesta now

Maybe I'll roll ret

And devolve into ape

[sage raptor]

yeah its a dead talent now unfortunately. It was my second favorite pvp talent

[mild thunder]

why fotm reroll into an ass spec?

[sage raptor]

thunderclap uptime is soooooo high to find it useful

[frank knoll]

This is a great idea, eff comps

[crimson light]

Roll ret

I CAN'T

[frank knoll]

Nobody cares about any of that shit anyways

[wheat jay]

Cuz its getting some rework

No idea what it is tho xD

[mild thunder]

the rework is bad

[frank knoll]

That’s why the most popular form of PvP is random BGs

[wheat jay]

Is it?

Shit xD

[frank knoll]

Yeah they got nuked with nerfs too

Already

[mild thunder]

ret rework just turns it into shitty rogue

[verbal pine]

yea, you're just forced to hold onto a rotational ability or face perma root DR, dead talent i guess, nvm, prot is

[frank knoll]

Self healing is gone, a bunch of damage needs too

[mild thunder]

ntm ret is 3 buttons now too

dont even use crusader strike

[wheat jay]

Lmao

That's stupid

[mild thunder]

it's literally just combo points

[wheat jay]

So, when does riot release their MMO?

[mild thunder]

holy power was basically reworked because of that shit new talent

[sage raptor]

its too early to tell but honestly I have a good feeling. Sword and Board was removed and if they do what the did to bdk, prot will be compensated in a way.

[frank knoll]

https://twitter.com/vanguardstv/status/1633627681228214273
Posted this earlier but yeah

Vanguards (@VanguardsTV)

Last Ret PvP changes had 6+ lines of nerfs in one go and it made most rets quit. As a ret that queues 3s actively, I haven't fought against a Ret in over a month.

This is the newest PTR PvP changes. Plz look into more PvP changes if it proves to be too much again @WarcraftDevs

Twitter · Mar 9, 2023, 12:36 AM

[wheat jay]

Sadeg

[sage raptor]

crying in the club rn

[green wyvern]

https://twitter.com/Whaazz/status/1633949738646093824?cxt=HHwWgIC-jauo-qwtAAAA

Whaazz (@Whaazz)

For now, Riot Games has not revealed an exact release date for the upcoming League of Legends MMO, but it will likely be released mid-2024 or even later since an MMO takes a lot of time to perfect.
🙏🙏🙏🙏

Twitter · Mar 9, 2023, 9:55 PM

YEP GET FUCKED

cope and seethe

[wheat jay]

I'm fine with that

Gotta wait and cope

Pray for god tier pvp systems

[mild thunder]

have they even confirmed any release at all? last i heard was a very wish-washy "it may not come out at all"

i wouldnt get my hopes up lol

[wheat jay]

I need some hopium tho xD

[green wyvern]

Blizzard is retarded

wfh design btw

[mild thunder]

at best it probably releases late 2024, 2025

if riot mmo ever releases

[green wyvern]

all blizzard had to do

is nerf all damage across the board

and cc/coordination would matter

instead they did the opposite

they killed cc

[mild thunder]

im still just seeing this as an overreaction - cc will barely be less than it already is with the 15% CCR

some specific stuff (blind, intim nerfs) was a little harsh, but most of the other stuff is similar enough to live

[green wyvern]

well

stormbolt on an orc lasts 3.2 secs I think

in 10.1

it's 2.4 secs

you will be able to get a single global off

[frank knoll]

Good

[green wyvern]

and thats it

[frank knoll]

There’s too much cc

[mild thunder]

big woop, we dont need bolt to kill anyway lmao

and as i already said, most healers do NOT play orc

[sage raptor]

I thought SB is 3 seconds no?

in pvp

[green wyvern]

now its 4

in 10.1 its 3

[mild thunder]

it will be 3

[green wyvern]

but reduce it by 20% for orcs

most stuns will last only 2.4 secs cuz most people will be orcs

[frank knoll]

All of that 10head 1,2,3 go cc gameplay is boring to watch.

[sage raptor]

I mean the stun already isnt long, I doubt the extra 20% will make a big difference

[mild thunder]

^

for warrior it's an actual nothingburger

[frank knoll]

That’s why AWC Jungle/RMP circlejerk has like 5k ppl worldwide who watch every year

[mild thunder]

for rogues etc it's obv a bit more harsh, but let's not act like a rogue cant kill in a 4-5sec kidney anyway

esp when that's followed up with micro cs stuns

[frank knoll]

Yeah assa rogue can absolutely

[sharp meteor]

bolt is a non dam global and therefore cringe

[frank knoll]

Assa rogue doesn’t even need to stun rn

[sage raptor]

a combo point per second just makes more sense tbh. Not even talking about balance. Just in a design aspect.

[unique fox]

does anyone know how to change the size of the giant status effect in the middle of my screen when i get stunned/rooted?

makes it hard to target void tendrils and shit

[mild thunder]

the only correct take

[sage raptor]

agreed

should I even bother pressing it if it doesnt do dam?

(no)

[mild thunder]

im usually bolting healer anyway

[sharp meteor]

good way to interrupt fists of cringe from windywalker

[sage raptor]

so true bestie

[wheat jay]

Sb just better interrupt now

[sage raptor]

ranged kick

[wheat jay]

Shaman ain't got shit on warr

We got ranged interrupt

AND it stops uninterruptible casts and channels

[sage raptor]

I was chilling on my phone and this popped up

[indigo barn]

Won't be flamed for over DR'ing targets

[wheat jay]

Ye xD

[indigo barn]

No joke, I am waiting for blozz to post that these changes will not be going forward for mages and rogues

[mild pier]

Is slam a rage dump anymore?

Like is it ever useful in the current meta?

[sage raptor]

rend is a better rage dump if youre talented into it

[mild pier]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. 10 more rage for much better damage and upkeep

Good deal, ty

[sage raptor]

np

[rotund trellis]

what is the "correct" way to see my stats? the %s amounts change constantly, even if i don't change gear. is it activating war mode? Is it in arenas only? etc

[cursive pike]

Best stats for fury warr?

Who's armory can I follow

[tawny brook]

Do crabs think fish are flying

[worthy fern]

They didn’t nerf shockwave so maybe worth over bolt now, aoe 2 sec stun vs st 3 sec

Aoe interupt vs st lmao

[mild thunder]

depends on the comp, but ig it might be somewhat common

not like you have to pick one or the other

you're dropping spear or troar mods for it, not bolt

[worthy fern]

@mild thunder true

Shockwave into bolt = 3.5 sec of cc

Or whatever bolt into wave

[mild thunder]

that sounds like a very impressive waste of cc and DR

[worthy fern]

Gotta get that second back somehow

[mild thunder]

you'd be better off cc'ing the dps and bolting healer

[worthy fern]

Super important

Odd that bolt and wave aren’t a choice node

[mild thunder]

but yea it's a pretty sizeable loss to take shockwave in current position, and you're never gonna take the CDR talent

imo

[worthy fern]

Who knows it’s so far off but prob not

Am I missing it or leg sweep isn’t touched?

[mild thunder]

eh ig that's not too bad

[rich peak]

Can anyone help me to zugzug
I need some guidance

I'm a fresh 70
350 gear of mix match stuff
whats the best way to get gear

[sharp meteor]

bgs til 411

any pvp until 424

[rich peak]

so just spam bgs?

and then buying honor gear?

[worthy fern]

First buy all greens from ah

The craft two pvp epics

Then farm honor gear and drake gear til 408

Proceed to solo shuffle

Pvp greens on ah go to 398 in pvp

[rich peak]

pvp epics?

[worthy fern]

@rich peak there are two epics that are made for pvp, you can submit a crafting order to make them, they require a currency that comes out of the boxes you get from winning arenas, if you are fresh fresh then you prob skip this part for now

For war it’s a helmet and boots

[rich peak]

is it those training matrixes?

[worthy fern]

No

[rich peak]

sparks of ingenuity?

oh wait those dont drop from arenas

[worthy fern]

You require one of this r

Those

Per item

Sparks

[rich peak]

ohhh

I got 3 of em from the questline

[worthy fern]

The currency issss I can’t remember the name

https://www.wowhead.com/item=190522/infurious-helm-of-vengeance

This is the helmet

[rich peak]

guess I can get it

im new to this crafting order thing

do you just buy the mats and pay someone to craft it for you?

[worthy fern]

Primal chaos

Is the name of the material

Yea

There’s a little goblin you click on and put a public order out

Some gold farmer will fill it in like 5 min

[rich peak]

lol

[worthy fern]

Need 40 primals per item

[rich peak]

I think I have some primal choas

[sharp meteor]

ya put order up and somebody will craft it instantly even if u offer 1 gold tip

cos it gives skillup

[worthy fern]

It’s a lot to farm for your first char

[sharp meteor]

and the quality/rank doesn't matter for pvp gear

[rich peak]

Drake gear you buy with blood tokens

which you get from world pvp and war chests?

and world quests

so I guess in terms of power and progression

honor gear > drake gear > conq gear?

I actually have 4 pieces of drake gear

Also does the increase in ilvl apply to world pvp as well?

[worthy fern]

Drake gear is worse than honor unless upgraded

And yes it does

Drake gear can be upgraded to epic qual with token of strife

Gained from world pvp weekly

[rich peak]

oh yeah honor gear goes up to 411

@worthy fern you've been a massive help

Thank you

now I'm motivated to grind !

oh btw I've seen people using normal raid gear for pvp when does that fit in

[sharp meteor]

it doesn't

[rotund trellis]

ooof the 35 minutes queues are hell

there's so many people at the 1600s

[sharp meteor]

ya can sit down on healer and play legit like 5-7x the games

before ur dps queue pops

[rotund trellis]

I never healed arenas in my life so rip lol

[mystic barn]

It fit in to fill out tier pieces early this patch

But we are past early patch

[rotund trellis]

back on a winning streak, 1600ish

[sharp meteor]

🚀

[grand scaffold]

oh my gosh

did you guys see 10.1 patch notes?

awful

crit is dead again

no more cc reduction

interupts last less time

[sage raptor]

Don't need it when CCs are so short lol

[grand scaffold]

stormbolt getting nerfed

[sage raptor]

All stuns did

[grand scaffold]

warbringer getting nerfed by 65%

😦

tf changes are these

[lean burrow]

it's called "get fucked, melees"

[grand scaffold]

grats!

[lean burrow]

[grand scaffold]

why did they nerf crit

WHY

[rotund trellis]

-70 cred double mage lobby rip

[grand scaffold]

oof

[rotund trellis]

Imma delete the char lol I'm so frustrated

[grand scaffold]

dude

get to 1600

and take a break

not now tho

take a break rn

[rotund trellis]

I was at 1600 lol, then double mage monk lobby

[grand scaffold]

it happens

just take a break

when you feel confident play again

against casters pillar a lot

[rotund trellis]

I have literally just tonight in a week to play wow, I did 3 shuffles in 2.5 hours casue the queues are too long

[grand scaffold]

when they going on me i just stand behind pillar

and only go in to burst

im in a 40 minute que rn

😦

[rotund trellis]

lol rip

[grand scaffold]

about to be a 1 hr que

😦

[tawny brook]

Im at 34% vers as arms. Is that too much?

[grand scaffold]

thats like

1% vers per 2 minutes ive been in que

😂

but nah thats not too much

you good

[rotund trellis]

@grand scaffold can you send me your armory profile so i can copy your gear lol?

[grand scaffold]

check balboa-sargeras

[sage raptor]

Rogues really having a rough time coping with having their CC nerfed

[rotund trellis]

wow you pumping 24% haste in arms??

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its actually 20%

and 20% crit

but yeah im going haste

[rotund trellis]

for arms??

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[rotund trellis]

insane

[grand scaffold]

🙂

[rotund trellis]

I'm 10%

lol

[grand scaffold]

thats still good

[lean burrow]

just gear into haste next patch

[grand scaffold]

10% haste rest crit

[lean burrow]

[grand scaffold]

and 20% haste 20% crit

both good

[grand scaffold]

yeah

depressing tho

no more 100k ms

[rotund trellis]

how do i see my real stats? in arenas only?

cause outside the gear is not 424

[grand scaffold]

you attack pvp dummy

[rotund trellis]

ohhhhh ok

see that's important info

[grand scaffold]

🙂

[mild thunder]

weren't you literally arguing with me the other day that there's no point going haste as arms?

[grand scaffold]

werent you telling me hybrid build is a worse version of both fury builds the other day?

[mild thunder]

yep, i tried it

i was wrong

[grand scaffold]

same here

haste is actually pretty good

👍

[sage raptor]

Bitch

[grand scaffold]

huh

[sage raptor]

I'm about to push rbgs. I gotta practice my shit talking.

[grand scaffold]

lmao

😂

[unique fox]

so many goddamn warlocks and frost mages in 3s bruh

cant wait for them to all have built in precog

[grand scaffold]

blizzard

is so dumb

nerf warbringer

increase caster strength

[unique fox]

nerf all these fuckin micro roots

[sage raptor]

I'm like that one scene in rocky where he runs up the stairs but instead of celebrating when I reach the top, I call the druid a retard.

[grand scaffold]

nerf crit

[grand scaffold]

😂

[rotund trellis]

night guys!!

tomorrow the grind goes on

[grand scaffold]

gn man

what cr did you hit

[indigo barn]

https://youtu.be/hAKgIbwGunw do what this guy does if someone calls you out

[limber relic]

Guys

Warriors will be gods in 10.1

Also. For the first time in wow history RMP is dead

Orcs will be op again

[grand scaffold]

why?

crit getting nerfed

-_-

[indigo barn]

Play fury

In all seriousness, we just gotta go fast

[sage raptor]

Lol

I've never seen that

[unique fox]

orc will get changed or mega nerfed to like 5% reduction

[sage raptor]

It won't. The stuns are on average 3 seconds so you won't get a lot of value from a 20% reduction

It'd be a lot more useful to stay DiD

[quick carbon]

just play haste 4head

[sage raptor]

Ez fix

Mastery fury when?

[quick carbon]

what’s really gonna kill warrior is frost mages being absolutely untouchable

[unique fox]

haste/mastery bleed builds next patch boys

[sage raptor]

I have no idea what furys mastery is

[quick carbon]

dhdk will rise to save us all from the double wizard menace dont worry

the key to fury mastery build is to hit n and click arms

[fossil mortar]

%dmg during enrage

[sage raptor]

Ah yeah

[quick carbon]

but in 10.1 the best spec for war is probably going to be log out create new character select warlock

[sage raptor]

Fury mastery build coming soon to a pvp season near you

[fossil mortar]

Fury eats warlocks, to be fair. If nothing else.

[sage raptor]

Sticks of deodorant too

[quick carbon]

yeah good luck stopping a warlock from absolutely destroying you

as soon as the gates open

What u gonna do

Kick them?

Kappa

[sage raptor]

Spellreflect. Easy peasy.

[quick carbon]

yeah okay buddy

[sage raptor]

Just press it better. You make it sound like it's so hard

[wheat jay]

Blast them to the ground

Easy

[fossil mortar]

Basically just hammer them down while they can do nothing.

[quick carbon]

what do u mean do nothing

Your shuffle partners going to give them precog when they kick the same time u do

Then they just precog fuck you

[wheat jay]

You interrupt with SB now

Pummel bad

[quick carbon]

oh true and based

[unique fox]

if you never pummel theyll juke themselves

[quick carbon]

okay stormbolts off cd not even going to attempt to pummel because the upside is too low and the downside too high

[unique fox]

thinking you're holding it, but really you dont have it bound

[quick carbon]

I swear casters won’t even care if they get locked anymore LMAO

they’re just gonna sit there and hardcast

[fossil mortar]

With double SR,we almost got a useful reflect option. So fgm

[quick carbon]

imagine playing

Double reflect

And not a damage talent

LMAO

[unique fox]

tbh im taking storm of destruction now

[quick carbon]

if ur not doing damage ur not winning

[unique fox]

tired of these roots

warbringer bugs or gets cucked constantly

[quick carbon]

imagine bladestorming a frost mage root then giving him freedom because of it lmao

[fossil mortar]

[quick carbon]

all the 1500 casters complained so much that blizzard keeps making them absolutely broken it’s actually insane

double reflect also makes it a longer cd too so

Talents actually Garbo

if ur not going omega max throughput talents you’re going to lose

[fossil mortar]

Meh, double will let it actually reflect tho. Not get eaten by proc nr 3272

[quick carbon]

you’re wrong

The mage is just gonna let his wele cast on u twice

Then he’s gonna get back to mounting u

Garbo talent never use

[fossil mortar]

Nah. I will just reflect

[quick carbon]

okay

I’ll be here for u

When ur getting mounted by mage lock

intim 3s stun same as stormbolt but on twice the cd

Save hunters

but remove it from bm

[wheat jay]

survi ded

Do I roll ret, enh, or dk?

[quick carbon]

every melee dead lmao

If ur not playing mage or warlock what r u doing

[wheat jay]

Trolling

[quick carbon]

imagine trying to go out and kill mage lock

While their healer has mana

[limber relic]

All ccs are nerfed bigtime

[quick carbon]

💀💀

[limber relic]

Also warr spellreflect is 2 reflects + 50% extra dmg

[quick carbon]

imagine wasting a talent

On that Garbo