pvp

[flat tide]

Actual fossil in here

[kindred viper]

like, we already did that stuff, we were there on launch day

[mild thunder]

ulduar is hard guys

[flat tide]

Did you really ride dinosaurs to school?

[kindred viper]

haw haw i'm old

is 35 old?

[flat tide]

If you're over 15 you're ancient

[kindred viper]

😦

[sharp meteor]

idk what the "the next raid'll be hard" cope is

who tf tryna do hard content on classic

shitters who brick single digit keys that's who

like there's famed slayer r1 arena r1 keys that's more than enough to keep anybody busy on live servers

mfs going back and killing ragnaros "for the challenge" '

[flat tide]

Ragbarox is hot though

[mild thunder]

i dont understand the appeal of classic, beyond nostalgia

but nostalgia lasts a week

[flat tide]

Loot drama

[mild thunder]

world buff fights

90/10 server faction balancing

[flat tide]

Nothing like your alcoholic raid lead yelling about not getting his cape

[kindred viper]

1 min got ss game

[frank knoll]

World buff meta in classic was fried

Classic was fun when I was 12 because it’s new, now it’s 30 year olds hyper optimizing everything

[mild thunder]

min/maxing is the worst part about mmos

[frank knoll]

Yeah

[kindred viper]

not playing wow since mop and then jumping back in i'm definitely shit, but damn SS qs drains the will to play, 30 min for a game at 1800 isn't something i can commit to

[frank knoll]

Yeah it’s cause healers don’t wanna play, don’t blame them

Only good healer in RSS is Disc

[kindred viper]

nah, tried healing on my sham alt, nothing but abuse and ppl lining

ele on my sham now, even more shit than on my warrior but qs are faster at low rating atleast.

and tbh it's crazy fun throwing out damage on an entire team

[frank knoll]

I don’t even think the other healing specs are bad, disc is just so busted ATM

[kindred viper]

disc does a lot of damage? would it help if they dropped the damage but kept the healing the same?

it's like playing against 3x dps atm?

[frank knoll]

Healing is on par with most others

And they do double the damage

MW probably has better through put
But idk I feel like disc is hard to balance, cause they heal with damage

[merry valley]

Tbh the first time i heard about soloq I though would be queuing solo for a 3v3 match, with a different bracket like we have.
Being locked inside a 15m Shuffle i think plays a big part in long queues. There's not a lot of healers, with them occupied for 15m even worse

[sharp meteor]

lol wym that's the easiest thing to tune

nerf dmg buff atonement

[sharp meteor]

queues are long because healing a bunch of healerless rejects is fucking miserable

[merry valley]

balance + damp doesnt help aswell

[sharp meteor]

i'd heal if i got anything for it

but i got 2400 gearing an alt so i already have all the rewards

and now for the rest of the season i get fuck all for healing unless i get r1 which will never in a million years happen

hope they come out with incentives mid season instead of waiting for s2

[rapid plaza]

should I be pressing sweeping strikes before a warbreaker spear unhinged bladestorm combo? not sure if sweeping buffs any of those if they're all AOE

[sharp meteor]

bladestorm/warbreaker aren't affected

unhinged motral strikes are

as they behave as if you pressed ms

[rapid plaza]

ty

[sharp meteor]

so yeah ideally have sweeping up

[kindred viper]

lmao

played on my ele alt, priest grips me then badgers me after game that i'm "instantly on them"

facing rogue and warr so i'm instantly stepped/charged

Y U ON THEM

mind you this is on my 1400 ele alt where i'm just spamming meatballs

[sharp meteor]

people who whisper over shuff are kind of demented idk just ignore report

[mild thunder]

yes, i am

[kindred viper]

i don't mind it, even this stuff. mostly i've had ppl whisper tips and shit

which

is counter to what everyone else seems to portray wow pvp as

i try to pay that forward aswell

[spark oyster]

Def thinking battle trance is the never choice when using rb/onslaught. Until it gets activated by crushing blow, the uptime is rare.

[sharp meteor]

i go 3-3 on my healer while one guy goes 0-6 then i afk to grab a snack come back and he whispered me his manifesto like what the

[spark oyster]

I say until hoping blizz will do that someday

[mild thunder]

i love when the 0-6 chads start blaming everyone else

[kindred viper]

i don't know if that

is a chad thing

[mild thunder]

i dont think you know what irony is

[kindred viper]

aw

now i'm sad

[frank knoll]

Lmao

[kindred viper]

can't believe i messed that up

[frank knoll]

I kinda wanna play Enhancement

Or frost mage

[mild thunder]

then do it

[frank knoll]

Enhance seems like it’s slept on

[kindred viper]

i tried enh on my sham, to many buttons, got confuzzled

[mild thunder]

enh is a 1-button rotation

stormstrike, stormstrike, stormstrike, stormstrike

[frank knoll]

Has a small dedicated group of ppl who fw it, everyone else is confused by what it’s supposed to do

[kindred viper]

it does slap, but it's not always something you can line from what i can understand? mby i'm just dumb

[frank knoll]

I just press whatever is lighting up as enhance

Or healing surge if I’m dying

I’m sure there’s a 10head way to play it but w/e

[mild thunder]

it literally boils down to "keep stormstrike on CD, dont waste maelstrom stacks"

you dont even take lava lash as enh unless you're playing the lava lash build that kinda sucks

[frank knoll]

Ele blast and stormstrike

[mild thunder]

enh tree is too similar to the fury tree, where it incentivises you to pick which 1-button rotation you want

[frank knoll]

Ascendance/Doom winds just spam wind strike ?

[mild thunder]

do i wanna stormstrike spam or lava lash spam?

[fading steppe]

how does the stat distribution look like for arms?

[kindred viper]

haha same, to me it's like playing whac-a-mole

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

honestly i am leaning more an dmore towards just ignoring vers outside of gear

basically mastery bad in general and vers bad for dam

crit good but not consistent

haste good

[fading steppe]

yeah i know vers>crit=haste depending on build but when should i stop going crit

[mild thunder]

when you dont want crit

[sharp meteor]

vers top prio kind of scuffed

not sure if it's worth building defensive stat in current meta

[mild thunder]

? it's a nice stat-stick that also makes you tankier

[sharp meteor]

bad for dam but makes u take less dam

[fading steppe]

true, i am a based mastery stacker warrior

[mild thunder]

it's not even that bad for dmg

[sharp meteor]

but taking more dam usually result of poor cd usage and/or positioning

[mild thunder]

all of arms' stats are realistically pretty close

[sharp meteor]

ya

honestly can play w/e it all kind of

[mild thunder]

and then we have one stat that also just makes us tankier

[sharp meteor]

depends on gameplan

[mild thunder]

so yea that's definitely our best stat

[sharp meteor]

that's just it vers worse for dmg

but good because dmg reduction

[fading steppe]

current setup

[sharp meteor]

actually probs comparable to crit in terms of overall but crit is also difficult to get the exact value of because

if u crit 2-3 times during go

the game just ends

cos they dead

[mild thunder]

there is no perfect %distribution

[sharp meteor]

imo more haste and i used to be big fan of crit heavy

[mild thunder]

you're not losing games based on stats

[sharp meteor]

honestly all crit is fine

u just have to kind of

[mild thunder]

no one here can give you a perfect breakdown of what to run

[sharp meteor]

know that ur power is in goes

[fading steppe]

i guess, also what is the easiest nameplate and cooldown addon to setup?

playing vanilla rn so its hard to keep track of cds

[mild thunder]

the easiest? the base UI

[fading steppe]

(i have never played pvp)

[mild thunder]

other than that, ThreatPlates probably

[fading steppe]

does it like show enemy cds like trinket and stuff?

[mild thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tom7IvilJr0&t=685s

[fading steppe]

ah nice, ty

[tardy schooner]

Hey, I am new to warrior in pvp. and was wondering why some high rated 3v3 players are taking thunderclap and blood and thunder talent? is it just because its easier to spread rend?

[sharp meteor]

uh pad numbers in bgs for their 1300 cr viewers or something

[rotund trellis]

I've never seen anyone playing thunderclap

[sharp meteor]

the talents suck in arena

[rotund trellis]

oh in bgs yeah

[tardy schooner]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/nerathor/thomasman in arena

all the time

2.8k in 3v3 does not look like someone who is padding^^

[sharp meteor]

that's probs more his comp than anything

can't think of arena scenario where clap is worth

[tardy schooner]

but there are many people in regular 3v3 (not solo shuffle) who are using it at higher brackets lately

[sharp meteor]

unless ur like stacking 3-4 targets all game

[rotund trellis]

I mean maybe in a full melee lobby?

[sharp meteor]

sweep rend

[tardy schooner]

nah. even against full range teams

[rotund trellis]

like, tc is inferior to hamstrings in every way

[sharp meteor]

ya that's kind of troll

[tardy schooner]

not really getting why

thats why I was wondering

[sharp meteor]

not rly getting why it's not troll

[rotund trellis]

yeah it's 30 rage for 20% slow vs hamstring 10 rage for 50% slow

[sharp meteor]

tc is no dam and week slow

u already apply rend which is weak easily

seems good in high target situations but u aren't cleaving 4-5 people all game in 3s

like if u wanna play it go ahead

[tardy schooner]

nah I was just wondering. because i don´t get it^^ but I thought if the highest rated warrior in the world plays with it most of the time, then there should be a reason behind it. dont think he is just trolling

[sharp meteor]

honestly seems like comp mopre than anything else although

being able to play double dam trinkets on warr seems nice

also i think there's a case for no vers outside of gear

focus on output

[rotund trellis]

anyone has a macro for casting enr reg and using healthstone at the same time?

[earnest wharf]

you just type them one after the other...

[sharp meteor]

/use enraged regeneration, /use healthstone

although idk if i'd bind them together in your only bind of enraged regen

[crisp jewel]

Probably better to bind it to Rally, enraged regen is already a full heal if you have a target

[sharp meteor]

have u considered

just binding it

by itself

[crisp jewel]

Even then tho, it probably not good idea since sometimes you may rally for a teammate while your at full hp

Not like there is a ton of keybinds for war

[earnest wharf]

yea ideally you'd use it manually but if the question is how to macro those 2 things, there isn't anything in the game easier to macro lol

[sharp meteor]

yet there are people trying to bind ignore pain into mortal strike or overpower

[earnest wharf]

it's literally 2 commands next to each other

[mild thunder]

Bis macro

[rotund trellis]

yeah Ndogo suggested to bind enrg regen with HS

[mild thunder]

@grand scaffold why

[sharp meteor]

Oh, of course.

It's all making sense now.

[rotund trellis]

I don't think HS should be binded with rallying. You can use rallying for the team at large, while enr reg is used when you're low in health

it may give an extra kick

and get you to full faster

[mild thunder]

Neither should be macro’d

Just press them individually, fury has like 2 buttons

[indigo barn]

The only 2 things to bind together are heroic leap and prismatic bauble

Gives you the gayest heroic leap

[sharp meteor]

🏳️‍🌈

I had it bound into fel rush.

[mystic barn]

Can you elaborate

I macro ignore pain into over power

[indigo barn]

I macro rampage into slam

[sharp meteor]

Yes but I won't.

[mystic barn]

🗿

[spark oyster]

Am I doing something wrong? My pain and gain does more healing than BT heal or enraged regen heal in a match and destro locks having more healing as well. This is with the BT spam spec.

[mild thunder]

definitely sounds like you're doing something wrong, which would be amazing since all you have to do is spam bloodthirst

[spark oyster]

Right?

But admittedly that match was me chasing 3 ranged dps the whole time so maybe not a great example. I’ll do more matches.

[frank knoll]

No way

[lean burrow]

keep hamstring up on targets

blood rage if you got amplified curse of exhaustion vs locks

or any other root

[sage raptor]

idk how people bitch about tanks when healers are just as tanky and also heal

[spark oyster]

All great tips, thanks. I started using blood rage the 3rd round after I realized what a dumbass i was being.

[naive cedar]

So warrior is extremely op. looking for tips on how to get it nerfed

@sharp meteor

[sharp meteor]

[sage raptor]

blizz dev detected

unnerf prot coward

its not my fault you made the spec with the most fun gameplay loop a tank

[sharp meteor]

It's still kind of weird to me that they didn't find a way to bring back Gladiator stance.

[naive cedar]

waryor is damagur

[sage raptor]

it'd make a great capstone

maybe 10.1

[near delta]

You're doing it wrong

[copper hare]

So

what slot to craft unity on?

[sage raptor]

Trinket

Obv

[grand scaffold]

just makes life easier

[naive cedar]

how would u guys nerf warrior?

[sage raptor]

By making prot s tier

Ez

[copper hare]

by buffing rogues more, obviously

what kind of question is that

[sage raptor]

If you REALLY want to nerf warrior

Bring back glad stance

Chicken

Buhgawk

[mild thunder]

I can tell you’re a 10x r1 just from this

Absolute chad

[grand scaffold]

why would we nerf warrior

[naive cedar]

cuz op. duck taught me that

[grand scaffold]

not op

:/

rogue is op

frost mage and destro are op

not warr

[naive cedar]

[mild thunder]

It is kinda weird to join a class server and then immediately start asking how said class should be nerfed, especially when it’s not really one of the major over-performing specs right now

[naive cedar]

its def over performing in shuff and in 3s under like 2600 rating

[mild thunder]

Representation =/= power

[naive cedar]

has high representation and high winrate in those brackets

sin is definitely more op

but war is still v strong

[mild thunder]

No one here said it wasn’t strong. But in need of nerfs? There’s a half dozen specs ahead of it in that regard

[naive cedar]

half a dozen? there's like 2

[mild thunder]

Disc, assa, destro, ele, frost/arcane probably, sub probably

[naive cedar]

[copper hare]

lemme take a guess, you got clapped by an arms while tanking avatar bladestorm and not using a single defensive

on like

1.6 mmr

[near delta]

Arms is OP but not as OP as the most OP specs.

[mild thunder]

^

[naive cedar]

warrior is a statistical anomaly in shuff and in lower mmr in terms of winrate and playrate

[grand scaffold]

what

[dawn sail]

shut up pod

[naive cedar]

because of the

[near delta]

It's too bad ludus labs is gone now.

There's a difference between a spec's representation on the leaderboard vs overall on the ladder. It's not enough to just count the number of warriors above a certain threshold and say okay yeah that means it's OP. Warrior has always been super popular since it's easy to get into and is sorta iconic as a pvp spec.

[unique fox]

Because lower mmr shuffle players are brain dead

[near delta]

If there's 40 warriors above 2400 let's say and 20 assassination rogues but there are 10,000 warriors overall and 3,000 assa rogues on the ladder. Which is more OP? Simplified ofc.

[steep inlet]

what the fuck is this guy

[near delta]

This has bruin going into the hunter discord energy

@bruin

[grand scaffold]

just check checkpvp stats

[mystic barn]

not the same

lol

[near delta]

Yeah lol

[grand scaffold]

it still functions

[unique fox]

i liked the reflexology tool, was fun to play with

[near delta]

The problem is checkpvp just has raw numbers

[unique fox]

Wonder how checkpvp keeps the lights on

[near delta]

Apparently, the API ludus was using was deprecated or something so RIP

[steep inlet]

Expiation no longer double dips from damage modifiers, no longer critically strikes, and no longer ignores damage reduction effects.

[near delta]

The owner has a thing where people can donate for elite checker status now

[grand scaffold]

ads

[unique fox]

btw anyone tried a rend/dragonroar build with haste yet?

[grand scaffold]

no point playing it with haste

you want crits

big crits

[mild thunder]

what? lmao

[grand scaffold]

are you stacking haste now?

[mild thunder]

most arms players stack haste to at least 10-15% haste

i stack haste/crit to about 20/20

[grand scaffold]

10% haste is not the same as stacking haste

[mild thunder]

but yea there's definitely a reason to stack haste - it smoothens the spec and is very good for overall dps

[grand scaffold]

meh

[mild thunder]

assuming nothing has changed since i last checked, haste outscales crit quite measurably for arms

at higher stat levels

[grand scaffold]

one sec

[unique fox]

some nerd has probably done the math

[mild thunder]

it's not controversial, haste is very strong for arms

has been for a while

[copper hare]

100% preference and playstyle

[mild thunder]

^

[copper hare]

there is no better or worse

[unique fox]

feels like perhaps 45%+ crit during warlords might be overkill

[mild thunder]

to clarify, when i said haste outscales crit, that's specifically for pve

[grand scaffold]

pve says crit

[copper hare]

thats actually wrong, idk what you're lookin at

pve arms stacks full haste xd

[mild thunder]

ndogo, actually read the text before posting the screenshot

[grand scaffold]

ok this is wowhead mr archimtiros wrote it

[mild thunder]

please

[grand scaffold]

you can too

says crit > haste and varies frequently

🤨

[mild thunder]

and yea iirc there's a graph that shows stat scaling for arms and haste overtakes crit pretty significantly at higher %levels

[grand scaffold]

ive been looking for it its usually on that page

[mild thunder]

Keep in mind that these weights can shift considerably, as Critical Strike and Haste have a complicated relationship - both increase rage generation, but Haste also increases the rate at which that rage can be spent by speeding up the GCD, thereby allowing more abilities to fit into de/buff windows such as Colossus Smash. While the two can frequently flip position, it's a good idea to focus on both until at least the point of diminishing returns.

it's a good idea to focus on both

[copper hare]

it's also outdated. Was the beginning of the season. Every pve arms stacks full haste since the rework.

[grand scaffold]

what rework

[mild thunder]

[grand scaffold]

am i missing something?

[copper hare]

talent shifting and overpower buffs.

[mild thunder]

completely changed how arms was being played in pve

especially ST

[copper hare]

10.0.5 came with an arms overhaul

[grand scaffold]

didnt really consider that a rework mb

[mild thunder]

but yea TL;DR, crit and haste both very good for arms pvp, stack whatever you want

it's not gonna lose you games

unless you're a mongoloid mastery stacker, and even then

all the disc rerollers losing their minds because they cant sustain 30k dps as a healer anymore

[unique fox]

expiation is for sure some of the dumbest shit we've had to endure yet

[near delta]

Noice

[copper hare]

Next week, Disc: All Damage increased by 10% to compensate

Watch

[wheat jay]

Inb4 bm gets another buff xD

[grand scaffold]

did disc get nerfed?

[quiet pendant]

What’s up with every lobby now has 6000 casters ?? Every lobby is frost mage lock.. so tilting

[mild thunder]

at least the .0.7 buffs were tuned down

they're still crazy tho

[grand scaffold]

did disc get nerfed?

[wheat jay]

I tried it yesterday with Kargish

Dmg is there but brain is not xD

You spam 2 buttons

Its retarded

[mild thunder]

so, typical bm? xD

pets do 80% of your dmg while you cope that you're a good player

[wheat jay]

I went back to survi for the last few games

[mild thunder]

sv is the second most chad spec

sv is the brother spec arms deserves

not fury

[wheat jay]

If only it didnt have a pet

It would be the most fun spec in the game

[mild thunder]

isnt the pet-management one of the highest skillcaps of the spec tho? feels like it would kinda be gutted w/o it

[wheat jay]

Pets are retarded

[lean burrow]

make aspect of eagle passive

and we got a new ranged hunter

[wheat jay]

I told kargo few times, it should be a toggle

Full range but 20% less dmg

[mild thunder]

dude why is every second spec a bloody pet spec these days

[wheat jay]

Passive dmg is king now

[mild thunder]

enh out here with their 2 wolves, bm and their 100 pets, demo and uhdk with their armies, even ele has a pet for most of a match

it's so cringe

[wheat jay]

Meanwhile warrior is the pet in all comps

Just walk forward and do dmg

[mild thunder]

we're somehow squishier than lock pets i stg

[wheat jay]

Naaaah

Warrior is far from squishy xD

[mild thunder]

we're tanky as balls into melee

still feel like paper into casters tho

[wheat jay]

Well, everyone is paper into casters

Lock doing 40k without casting a single spell is a joke

[mild thunder]

but arms should always be one of the tankiest specs in pvp imo

if not the tankiest

[wheat jay]

And do same dmg as now?

[grand scaffold]

cries in fury

[mild thunder]

defs not

ive always said im happy with arms being a mid-dmg spec that's very tanky

[sharp meteor]

Felguard is jacked.

[mild thunder]

that's the best design philosophy for arms

[wheat jay]

I agree

Arms is the disruptor

Not oneshot machine xd

[mild thunder]

exactly, it's the way it works best

[sharp meteor]

Demo pet actually can't die.

[lean burrow]

warrior needs "army shout" that summons an army of warriors

like dk's army

[mild thunder]

arms "damage" should come through its ms and sharpen

[lean burrow]

and "squire" pet like dk's ghoul

[mild thunder]

instead of real damage

[lean burrow]

and something like "unholy stench" that debuffs everyone around like unholy blight

[wheat jay]

Gamer stench

[mild thunder]

"protein fart"

[wheat jay]

Need mountaindew for healing

[wheat jay]

☣️

[swift folio]

If you have gear above 411 is it still worth it to get the honor gear for PvP (except trinkets)

[wheat jay]

No

[sharp meteor]

Maybe but probably not. Just keep it simple, spend 8k or whatever and get honor gear.

[swift folio]

OK nvm then, I though getting more vers would be beneficial rather than. Having higher ilvl

[spark oyster]

if you find yourself dying easy with defensives, then yeah the vers will matter.

[wheat jay]

Usually what you want is more dmg

Meaning you want higher ilvl

[junior coral]

is drakebreakers set best for pvp until purples?

[spark oyster]

not really. but its an option while getting gear.

at best; the 2 piece which is typically belt/wrist unless youre a class that needs crafted belt or wrist.

the blues from honor vendor are "best"

[mild thunder]

set bonus doesnt work in instanced pvp

[spark oyster]

it doesnt? well fuck, drake's useless then

[mild thunder]

if it did, everyone would be using it

[spark oyster]

any1 else find sophic and similar enchants lacking compared to proc amounts of frozen devotion? trying to decide what enchants to go with. Perhaps its just user pref.

[green anchor]

I think dual wield specs benefit more from Frozen

like Frozen is so good on Outlaw rogues

[tardy schooner]

what build are we using in rbg´s? anyone has an example build?

[spark oyster]

I'd check the pins for builds, and modify for aoe or defensives as you see fit.

[lean burrow]

what, deciding for myself????

[torn condor]

Any ground-rules for prioritizing stats? I've been focusing on vers+crit (arms), but noticed that lot's of players on the leaderboards are spreading their stats out after they reach a certain threshold. When and why do you start leaning into haste or mastery?

I'm getting the conquest neck today and want to know which one to go for and how to gem it.

[mild thunder]

[spark oyster]

you got me there, idk what i was thinking

[mild thunder]

why does boomy have a disarm man

im a warrior, and i get disarmed by a giant chicken?

[undone pumice]

they send bugs to take your weapon

unironically thats thr ability description

[fickle forge]

Just dispel it

[mild thunder]

another classic @undone pumice pfp

always the best

[undone pumice]

underage pussy

[warped warren]

[mild thunder]

[frank knoll]

Xaryu thinks mage should have a disarm

[steep inlet]

haha

always wanting stun disarm etc for mages

Always mage bias from him

[mild thunder]

literally any mage player

they all have the most L takes imaginable

[frank knoll]

Frost mage is in the most OP state that I can think of in recent history

Casts while moving, perma slows you, 150k glacial spikes, ring of fire, DB

[hot solstice]

Is todays disc fix something huge?

[mild thunder]

it's a start, but disc still needs more nerfs

[hot solstice]

Ofc it does

got -175k one global

instacast

love game

[mild thunder]

how is that one global?

[hot solstice]

isnta incenirate

[mild thunder]

ah ok mb didnt see the 2nd ss

[hot solstice]

+60k death+that passive that consumes dot ticks on blast and death

[mild thunder]

yea death needs to be toned down

[hot solstice]

it was normal hit btw

[mild thunder]

and schism mod should be tuned back to like

10%

if they did that, it'd probably be mostly fine - disc has always been an offensive/damage-focused healer, and i dont think they should change that

just current tuning is wild

[hot solstice]

2stack PS is bullshit

same as lifeswap

[mild thunder]

eh, i dont think double PS is the end of the world

or swap

[hot solstice]

its not

[wheat jay]

You say that as if people werent doing horrendous dmg

[mild thunder]

but if PS has 2 charges, it should be a longer CD

probably

[hot solstice]

but the fact that disc can go full yolo while trading infinite cds

[mild thunder]

disc doesnt have the healing throughput of other top tier healers, it relies on those major CDs and other forms of mitigation

[wheat jay]

Disc on a timer basically

[mild thunder]

^

[hot solstice]

in 3s ye, in 2s with rog or hunter its not that big issue

[mild thunder]

2s 😴

who cares

[wheat jay]

2s a meme tho

[hot solstice]

1st root 2nd root scatter stun reset

[wheat jay]

Dead bracket

[hot solstice]

I like it and dont care

[mild thunder]

2s is always a degen rogue/hunter bracket

[hot solstice]

bicmex btw

[mild thunder]

not gonna change anytime soon, and they definteiy shouldnt be tuning based on it

[hot solstice]

outdamaged me like x2

[wheat jay]

Why do you do 0 dmg then?

[hot solstice]

Idk maybe stay root trap small root scatter stun

[wheat jay]

Also bicmex built different

[mild thunder]

bicmex

[hot solstice]

hard to have good uptime on good hunter

[wheat jay]

But i'm biased

[hot solstice]

especialy when u get ps or dom on every reliable go

[mild thunder]

the only majorly retarded thing with hunter peel right now is non-DR roots

[hot solstice]

still could have won that lobby, just small mistakes

[wheat jay]

Ye its the best xD

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

I cuck dh so hard hahaha

[mild thunder]

just give arms bloodrage tbh

[wheat jay]

Warriors not so much cuz they have 2x bladestorm

[hot solstice]

Idk why all hunter specs got scatter and root trap to begin with

hmm

[wheat jay]

Cuz they die to air

[hot solstice]

well

u wont those bladestorms to do damage

[wheat jay]

Worst defensives in the game

[hot solstice]

not to break roots

[mild thunder]

not against hunter

[wheat jay]

Hunter fully relies on kiting

[hot solstice]

why? its surv

[mild thunder]

fuck bladestorming for damage into hunters

[hot solstice]

sweep and go

[mild thunder]

just kill them in 2 mortal strikes

ggez

[wheat jay]

If you spam bladestorm for dmg against hunters then its skill issue

[hot solstice]

at least he cant scatter u on colosus

[wheat jay]

Ah yes, you lose 1/3 of scatter

Of cs*

And he cant dmg you

[hot solstice]

not realy

[mild thunder]

i mean

[hot solstice]

2/3 actualy

[mild thunder]

sv can damage you through scatter

[wheat jay]

How long is cs?

Scatter is like 3

[hot solstice]

enough for him to run in zimbabwe

[wheat jay]

With nothing that hits hard

[wheat jay]

Well, ye

[sharp meteor]

I mean it doesn't have to hit hard when they're also avoiding all of your damage.

[mild thunder]

chakram > eplo > bomb setup

altho ig you're not running explo there

[wheat jay]

Chakram breaks afaik

[mild thunder]

not unless they fixed it

[wheat jay]

Explo you rarely run cuz it breaks cc

[hot solstice]

I dont like to break roots with bs in most cases cause I will need to use chharge after anyway

[mild thunder]

been a few weeks since i played my hunter but chakrams still wasnt breaking scatter

[wheat jay]

Piercing howl

[hot solstice]

still in zimbabwe

anyway

its just bicmex

[wheat jay]

I mean, if theyre in Zimbabwe after you slowed them by 70%, and they used trap, then they used disengage

Meaning if you charge and slow, they cant get away

[mild thunder]

yea idk if it's worth complaining about class balance in a dead bracket against literally one of the best players in the world (and the most hansdsome)

[wheat jay]

Ye that too

[hot solstice]

I mean even 1 sec staying in root is enough

[wheat jay]

Bajheera plays 2s too?

[hot solstice]

I am not a robot to insta bs cancel into piercing

[wheat jay]

Macro it?

I have bs cancel macroed to half of my stuff

[mild thunder]

i have no macro slots left

[hot solstice]

he meant on eu

[mild thunder]

used them all with ignore pain macros

[wheat jay]

Fair fair

[mild thunder]

bicmex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bajheera

rip hairline

[hot solstice]

Bajheera is like what could have happen to Swiffty if he was 20 years yonger

[wheat jay]

Bicmex needs to start lifting tho

[mild thunder]

swifty has gotta be like

50 now

[wheat jay]

Imagine Chris Bicmexstead

[hot solstice]

If classic pandaria happened tomorrow, would u go there or stay DF?

[mild thunder]

wait, this isnt a classic mop waiting room server?

[wheat jay]

Stay

Id instantly go to legion tho

No 2nd thoughts

[mild thunder]

legion 😴

mop

[wheat jay]

Mop wack

Legion BIS

[mild thunder]

mop is unironically peak wow

[hot solstice]

fun thing DF hp numbers r close to mop ones

but while u had 560khp last season mop u had less damage numbers than rn on retail

[mild thunder]

mop had the best pvp, the best spec design, the best zone design, the best music, cool raids, cool aesthetic, cool reps and mounts

and id be able to go back and do the challenge mode stuff

[frank knoll]

I bet people complained the whole time during MoP too

[hot solstice]

heroic strike oneshots

[frank knoll]

I remember that playing Vanilla and ppl were like EQ is better Wow is too easy
Then I started back in Legion and people were nostalgic for Wrath and MoP

Only expacs nobody is fond of is BfA WoD and SL

[mild thunder]

WoD was impeccable for pvp

it's only the cringe pvecels that hate it

[hot solstice]

Imagine every wow expansion had amount of raids same as WOTLK

[sharp meteor]

os was 1 room of reused assets

naxx was literally copy pasted

ulduar was cool

[frank knoll]

“Wahh AFK at at garrison nothing to do”

[sharp meteor]

toc was literally a room of reused assets

[mild thunder]

a good xpac doesnt need more than 3-4 raids

classic raids were also easy af

[frank knoll]

That’s what ppl say about WoD

[sharp meteor]

mf they'd disembowel the devs these days for the shit they pulled in wotlk

[sharp meteor]

issue was wod was that it was pure endgame be it raids or instanced pvp and most people just log on and do their chores

which is why we got 6 years of braindead tedium; most people don't do group content and require structure to avoid getting bored

[mild thunder]

i remember people in wod complaining that the game was too casual-friendly and that there was no grind

those retards gave birth to BfA and SL

[sharp meteor]

wod had too many bold ideas

like solo players don't get nice things, not even lfr appearances

and no flying in current content which was honestly a fine idea for the purposes of like the world

most people legit just wanna log in and efficiently fill a bar

[mild thunder]

im going to give my hottest take yet and say that i like limitations on flying at the start of an xpac

[sharp meteor]

no interest in zones, quests, raids, dungeons, just how easily they can fill their dopamine bar

[mild thunder]

BUT it has to be coupled with interesting zones

SL zones were way, way too boring for no flying

except zereth

[sharp meteor]

ya i think it's better to have flying disabled initially

everybody just noclipping around the map sort of cringe

just nobody on the roads, everybody flies from settlement to city

[mild thunder]

like the zone design rn is some of the best since mop

but do we see it? nope

[sharp meteor]

luv the big zones

[mild thunder]

because i zoom tf through all 4 zones in under a minute

[sharp meteor]

ya

i just find that most peoples enjoyment of something usually depends on how quick/easy it is

[mild thunder]

this xpac is incredibly casual friendly

which is good

[green wyvern]

they fired all their QA people

bugs are everywhere

it's crazy

[thick reef]

People mostly complained about the theme for MoP and that SoO lastsed way to long. Gameplay wise people were fairly content by wow standards.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, people complained during wotlk/mop.

[thick reef]

The wide spread constant complaining didnt really start as a major thing till WoD, stopped mid way through Legion once blizzard had spent their half year fixing it.

[sharp meteor]

Remember it's not cool to like something until it's old

[thick reef]

People always complained, didnt say they havent.

[sharp meteor]

Also imagine all the people skipping mop because of Pandaren.

[thick reef]

Their lose.

I also do tire of that dumb narrative that people only like things in retrospect. MoP was praised by people not bitching about Pandaren up till SoO happened.

People still agree WoD and BfA were dog shit (and will continue to do so for SL I can guarantee)

But SoO soured a lot of people as did Pandaren.

[compact oak]

Do most of you have your main rotation on 1-5 keys and often move foward by pressing both mouse buttons at the same time?
(even with an MMO mouse)

[thick reef]

The whole "People only like it afterwards" thing has only applied to MoP becasue its rought start and bad finish. Even Cata thsoe who were around still look at back mostly unfavorably.

[sharp meteor]

Wod was weird because the dungeons/raids/zones were all good

Casuals just got shit on mega hard and quit

so the patches dragged on

[thick reef]

It was the start of raid or die.

[sharp meteor]

oh and that's also when they tried to do yearly expansions or w/e

[sharp meteor]

ya but it was always like that

you raid or pvp

[thick reef]

Not entirely no. They did have lots of side content prior to that. Most importantly casuals could get gear just below raid level just by doing heroic dungeons due to badge gear.

[sharp meteor]

shit like timeless isle or w/e was just catchup

also decent gear for trivial content is fucking weird

[mild thunder]

timeless isle

[thick reef]

WoD was rushed, it was a new dev team, it was very notably unfinished. There were no quests or grinds to do after the leveling like you had with past expansions which would have world stuff to do. There was no means of geting gear other than raiding since they devalued dungeons entirely

[sharp meteor]

wtf did people do with their shitty world gear anyways

it was actually pointless for 99% of casual stuff

[thick reef]

getting better gear is itself a rewarding task.

Its something the Diablo 3 team learned. Player retention always went up when they made gear easier because getting gear is itself a strong motivator no matter what you're doing.

[sharp meteor]

like i did almost every scrap of casual/solo content on a rat geared char and it made no diff

45 year olds logging on to get a slightly higher ilev boots that they're goin to use to do the same world quests

are actually fried

[thick reef]

One of their lead devs had a speech about it once. About how it was a huge mistake making gear rare.

I mean this is true for any MMO or game with a gear based system.

[sharp meteor]

u get enough gear from solo stuff to hop into low end group stuff

[thick reef]

You can outright buy gear just below raid level in FFXIV and people fucking love it.

[sharp meteor]

only thing holding people back in wow is their unwillingness to play with each other

[thick reef]

Well that and a virulent community that will refuse to acknowledge you if you dont already have gear that you can only get by doing said group content.

[sharp meteor]

that's not the right way of looking at it

[thick reef]

The hell its not.

[sharp meteor]

standards are set by those willing to join

people aren't being gatekept arbitarily they're just

worse than the 120 other applicants

although the 45 year olds who buy aotc/ksm carries

[thick reef]

The ilvl gap in WoW is massive for no real reason making it terribly bar of entry for anyone starting into it.

[sharp meteor]

don't comprehend this

pugging keys at this stage is also unbearable everything in the mid range is awful

[thick reef]

When people arent being accept for both not having gear and not having enough ranking then yes, its a dumb situation. The problem is people arent being permitted to show if they're good enough, or if they're new, not getting the opprotunity to learn.

[sharp meteor]

lemme check exp

lemme check logs

ya they not good

next

[thick reef]

Thats my point yes.

[sharp meteor]

every dh with 1 kick used in an entire dungeon: ugh i just need a chance to prove myself

[thick reef]

You cant get experience if you're being stopped at the door because you dont have the gear you can only get by doing the content you're not being permitted into.

[mild thunder]

find a guild

[sharp meteor]

i got bored and healed a few hundred keys last season

[mild thunder]

there are plenty of good guilds with players that are willing to do low level keys and help newer players

[sharp meteor]

there is not a single good player with gutter io/logs

there are no hidden gems

just people that think they're being gatekept

[mild thunder]

there are barely any good players with good io/logs

[sharp meteor]

ya

sitting there watching a dh just blur nothing for 10 minutes

watching the whole group not use healthstones/potions

[fickle forge]

I lowkey liked isle, going FFA and killing everyone was actually fun

[frank knoll]

Healing gives you a different perspective on keys I think

Healing/tanking keys is the most engaging PvE group content tbh

[sharp meteor]

ya timeless isle was good

[sharp meteor]

ya most dmg avoidable and doing damage is like 2 buttons so free to watch mechanics and cds more closely

[frank knoll]

I was horrible at M+ until I healed for a season, now I get a pretty high io every season. At the bare minimum I get the KSM mount

[sharp meteor]

watch 3 people just not use any defensives for deathmegatornado 9000

[frank knoll]

Yeah, people don’t even have them on their bars in PvE lol

[sharp meteor]

kind of itching to get back into key healing it was kind of fun hm

[frank knoll]

I got like a 2.1 io on my demo lock, then stopped. I don’t enjoy the dungeon rotation this season

Azure Vaults and RLP specifically.

[fickle forge]

Or invest time into a good game

😎 👍

[frank knoll]

Harry Potter

[lavish quest]

How does one fight... pretty much any caster? Just seem to be tankier, more damage, more CC/utility, all while being able to do it from 40 yds away.
Honestly trying to figure it out

[rotund trellis]

spell reflect ice lance, hamstring, heroic leap, double time, etc

[green anchor]

you wanna spell reflect glacial spike

[sharp meteor]

ya but what u want and what actually happens often don't align

hard to reliably get spike with 1-2 other casters throwing instants at you

[green anchor]

like chaos bolts

[sharp meteor]

oh look reflect got shadow word: pain with 0.15 seconds on glacial cast

oh look i got dr coiled

[green anchor]

or billions of shit from a balance druid

[frank knoll]

They still complain about melee having too many gap closers

[lavish quest]

I mean... I do those things... and it still just feels like they're playing at lv 75

[fossil mortar]

Oh look, I reflected voidelf passive

SR should at least last a full sec. Would make it broken in PvE, yet at least it would do what you would expect in PvP.

[wheat jay]

Mehh

Only good combat, rest is mediocre

[mild thunder]

hogwarts legacy looks amazingly boring

doesnt even look like a next-gen game

[wheat jay]

Its not

Its overhyped

I enjoy the combat a lot

Would be 10/10 pvp game for sure

But the story is slow and boring

You're just a student that should be expelled and locked up in azbakan forever for how many people you absolutely Slaughter xD

Everyone should be locked up

[mild thunder]

combat doesnt even look good tbh

just glorified button mash 'n' roll combat with boring 5 minute boss fights

ghost of tsushima ruined other games' combat for me

[rotund trellis]

I'm slowly crawling to a better keybinding, and every week I change something I tank 200 points min lol

but that's ok, now I finally got rid of my ctrl+alt+F11 mortal strike keybind

[compact oak]

🤣

How did MS end up there?

[mild thunder]

[compact oak]

I've been playing since SL S2 and I still haven't settled on keybinds or a main, so all I do is help people get past 1k rating 😁

[rotund trellis]

Cause I have my s.e.l.f.i.e. camera on 1

[rotund trellis]

btw today the lag is unbearable

it's like 3 seconds in arenas

[inner elbow]

is it worth dropping fatality for fbv with this build?

[sharp meteor]

Fueled is a bit of trickle healing and Fatality can be like a 100k hit on somebody in execute range.

Issue with Fatality is that shuffle can be too quick to stack it.

[little lava]

Outside solo shuffle fatality is bis

I fuckin living it

Yesterday 100-0 hunter In 2sec

Fatality 100k plus 120 exe plus 2x 50k mortal

And bs damage

[mild thunder]

How long were you training one target man

Damn

[little lava]

Ppl underestimate fatality

Its called 3v3

On 2,5 k mmr

Im playing the moxt exotic comp rn

[mild thunder]

100k fatality is what, 10+ stacks?

[little lava]

Idk maybe more cuz its physical

Im playing woth deva evoker and disc priest btw

XDDDD

Cuz u cant Finder ppl in lfg

And had to try evoker

And it worked Best from all other ppl

And we need only 16 more Wins to get glad with that comp kekw

[rotund trellis]

evoker seems fun, I need to level all my alts stil

[little lava]

Ye i will give it a try prob too

[rotund trellis]

What I'm working now is getting rid of the razer naga with smart keybinds

I hate the naga it's so heavy

[grand scaffold]

Did you hit 1800 yet?

[rotund trellis]

nope. completely stuck also cause I switched to fury full time

and I'm getting some decent results, but still around 1500

[wheat jay]

Zug zug harder young peon

[rapid plaza]

I’m new and switching from spear to thunderous. What CDs should I be lining up for burst on this bleed build? 2x op, sweeping, war breaker, rend, sharpen, avatar, ms, thunderous?

[cerulean pecan]

I normally charge, sweeping in middle of charge, hamstring, OP, Rend, OP, Colossus, MS, Thunderous, avatar, rend, Skullsplitter.
Will get most people low enough to execute.
Also my sharpen is up before I charge. Might be doing rotation wrong, but its been working for me

[little lava]

Why u awatar after tr

Avatar

[green anchor]

Was at 1750 and thought I could get 1800 in a few games... dropped to 1400 instead

Think Imma just get the mount (at 95%) and call it quits for this season lol

[normal patrol]

any fury pvpers?

[green anchor]

For how long did you have the Naga now?

in my xp they break after a year

owned 2

[wheat jay]

Cuz it applies to it even after roar

Afaik

All modifiers should

Unless blizz fucked up again, which also wouldn't be very surprising xD

[rapid plaza]

Ty

[little lava]

it depends

if it used IMMEDIATELY after tr it will

for initial dmg buff

[little lava]

u should swap between spear/tr depending on the enemy comp tho

never play 1 build

[wheat jay]

I dont mean initial, i mean the dot

[rotund trellis]

Years, at least since legion

[green anchor]

[little lava]

so its better to avatar and then TR

but it depends if u play blademaster

[fickle forge]

Spear superiority

[little lava]

+1

[ebon pivot]

Keep chugging away, you'll get there. Every week I get closer to 1800 then get dropped down only to climb back. Just try not to focus on your car and just smash face

[frank knoll]

I don’t even care about rating anymore , just playing to have fun

[weak wedge]

And then you get thrown into triple caster lobbies, manage to break even and call it a night 😄

[uneven turret]

do we need haste now for arms? I need haste neck and haste gems being more popular than crit neck/crit gems

[fickle forge]

Blasphemy

Crit or quit

[rancid heath]

hey Im hesitating between playing DH and War as my alt.. what makes war standout when compared to DH ? thanks 🙂

[green anchor]

war has better burst

that's about it lol

oh wait... also healing reduction

[rancid heath]

so dh more constant dmg and more cc while war has better burst and heal reduction.. which one has better survability?

[green anchor]

I'd say DH

Blur, Netherwalk, Darkness

uhhh I think that's all?

idk if their leech is worth mentioning

haven't played DH since end of Legion

[rancid heath]

yeah and that demon popping hp back

hesitating between unholy war and dh tbh... played dh already a bit I like it but not sure... guess Ill have to max and gear my war and dk before deciding xD

[quiet pendant]

Guys which matchups you play TR ? Right now I am playing spear for everything

[fickle forge]

Warr busted and high bench press, DH for Fortnite kids

[rancid heath]

XD yeah dh felt not that cool to play beside movement and cc chain..

spinning to win as war seems fun xD

[ebon pivot]

Yeah I've started to look at things that way. I mean if I hit 1800 for the mog I'll be over the moon, but if not that's just on me and oh well maybe next time.

Though it doesn't help I've been running one of my alt wars as fury haha

[wheat jay]

Crit wack

Stronger but haste is always more fun

[fickle forge]

Shut up hunter main

Or should I say

B M H U N T E R

[wheat jay]

What do you mean

I have never taken any pleasure in playing bm

[fickle forge]

B M H U N T E R
M
H
U
N
T
E
R

[wheat jay]

I do remember however playing double fury with you

[rotund trellis]

lobby SP, DP, Destro

= throw up on my keyboard

[wheat jay]

Dp?

You getting spitroasted there?

[sage raptor]

Double Penetrated

[rotund trellis]

ya

we're evoker, feral, fury LMAO

[wheat jay]

Ez win for you then

Feral carries

[rotund trellis]

he's a friend at 238 ranking

[fickle forge]

Actual golden times

Crushing Memes

Double banner

📈

[wheat jay]

Bro ngl it was fun

Double neverending charges

With double banner

XD

I still have a fond memory of that god of kiting monk who thought he could outrun fury in shadowlands

And when he teleported we leapt and charged and WINBRINGER finished it

Good times

[fickle forge]

Winbringer stonks

[wheat jay]

Winbringer giga stonks

You know what else was stonks?

EXPLOSIVE TRAP

AND THEY TOOK IT FROM ME

AND FLAYED SHOT

I hated it

But now I miss it

Or maybe I just miss doing unhealable dmg unhealable healing

[sage raptor]

I loved flayed shot

I was a flayed shot lover rain or shine.

[sharp meteor]

kill shot procs go bang bang

[sage raptor]

So true bestie

You know what I don't like? Death Chakram.

Too magicy

[wheat jay]

I liked chakrams

But now that I use it more

My fondness of it is gone

And i just miss consistent dmg of flayed

[sage raptor]

Blizz really fumbled with bringing the right SL abilities into dragonflight

[wheat jay]

Ye

No aftershock instead of shockwave

Would be BiS

[sage raptor]

So true

[wheat jay]

No flayed shot

[sage raptor]

I loved aftershock

[wheat jay]

No banner for at least prot

Aftershock was the best in wow at giving you that feeling of SLAP

You press SLAP and there was a SLAP

[sage raptor]

It felt good

[sage raptor]

I really wouldn't miss spear tbh

[wheat jay]

Spear is wack

Cant balance it

Its either useless or too broken

And everyone just plays around cheesing out of it

Meanwhile if you had vortex

Or i dunno, anything rly

And you did the SLAP

[sage raptor]

Lol

[wheat jay]

Or you slapped into smoke bomb

Or when rogue was dueling

Or just hit hard

I still remember s1 shadowlands and going full mastery

Just to get the biggest SLAP

And biggest SLAP I had

Same with biggest killshot xD

Kargish buffed my killshot beyond human reason

With banner

[sage raptor]

That's hilarious

[wheat jay]

And I had nadija buff

For vers

And coordinated assault and orc racial xD

[sage raptor]

Man I hope they bring some of those back.

And get rid of others

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge you got the clip somewhere?

[sage raptor]

Like echoing reprimand 💀

[wheat jay]

Oof

[sage raptor]

Guys you don't understand, playing a mini game with your combo points is great class design 🤓

[fickle forge]

It might have been lost with the SquadOV shutdown

Maybe I have it locally

[sharp meteor]

idk it's neat

[wheat jay]

Sadge

[sage raptor]

I would've preferred flag personally. Or bonespike.

[fickle forge]

But my 1 shot Exe through sac at 50% will never be lost

[wheat jay]

Well you gotta send it now

[sage raptor]

Ignoring sepsis. I guess it makes sense it stayed but blizz needs to do something about the animations from SL abilities. Some of them look ridiculous.

[wheat jay]

Condemn animation for execute is shit

And it has that fucking delay smh

[fickle forge]

No fk you

[sage raptor]

I liked it personally. I don't like the dark green glow to death chakrams.

And the bright blue kyrian spear

[wheat jay]

Wackgish

[wheat jay]

Old chakrams tho d

I liked it a lot

Especially when it killed totems

Or when I killed someone with them AFTER I died

And it was my r1 guildie

[sage raptor]

Yeah I'd rather have old chakrams than death chakrams.

[wheat jay]

Funnier thing is I think I won against every friend/guildie

Legit

[sage raptor]

Man

These abilities really messed with the aesthetic of some specs huh? Lol

[wheat jay]

Ye they did

[sage raptor]

Mage is a big one

[wheat jay]

WHERE'S MINE THO!?

THE BIGGEST KILLSHOT IN THE GAME

[fickle forge]

Maybe on my PC somewhere

[wheat jay]

Fair enough

[fickle forge]

It may lowkey have been the biggest KS of SL S2

[wheat jay]

Wait, where trille game xD

[fickle forge]

Trille deleted the clip

[wheat jay]

What do you mean may, it was xD

[fickle forge]

[wheat jay]

Sadge

I deleted the guy from like 60%

XD

[fickle forge]

Weak

He wasn't sac'd

[wheat jay]

^

[sharp meteor]

Haven't actually had any really big hits since losing her (conq banner)

[fickle forge]

Please return her Blizz

[sage raptor]

Why did some classes get one ability while others got 2?

Pally got 3!

This is unfair. I'm telling on them.

[deep parrot]

had this exact thing today...

[sharp meteor]

Dropped from 2300 3s to 2100.

[fickle forge]

Damn, so you were almost R1 this season then

[sharp meteor]

Stressful games.

[fickle forge]

Comp?

[sharp meteor]

rdruid turb

[fickle forge]

[sharp meteor]

[fickle forge]

Most monkey comp next to hero cleave

Respect

[sharp meteor]

That's right. 🪓

[wheat jay]

Its only us who prefer non-monkey cleaves

And resune who always said he hates ret/warr

But he played ret/warr EXCLUSIVELY

[sharp meteor]

I queued into him playing it in sl.

[wheat jay]

REEEEE I HATE FURY

[sharp meteor]

Kitty, too.

[wheat jay]

Plays fury every game

REEEE I HATE RET/WARR

Plays retwarr every game

[sharp meteor]

Fury retwarr

I kid you not when I say that

retwarrs that ended like 100-150ish points shy of a title

would miss their conq on their paladin

there were like these three diff retwarrs we'd queue into where they'd all leap fear opener then conq and not hit either of their teammates with it

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz it was braindead fucking comp

If only KFC was s tier

At any point

[sharp meteor]

"wow dr bolt into dr hoj these guys are trol-"

[wheat jay]

[sharp meteor]

"oh im fucking dead man"

[fickle forge]

You're just a hater bro

Ret warr took high tier coordination with cross stuns

Def couldn't just default to training healer forever

[sharp meteor]

i only played like 100 games of retwarr and it was my sham trying ret

and he'd complain about being kited and our healer is like um idiots hit the thing that can't kite

and we'd just turn and kill them through wall

like oh whoops hehe

[mild thunder]

cant wait for ret/warr 2.0 with 10.0.7

[sharp meteor]

walking holocaust of a spec yep

[flat tide]

???

Imagine hating a spec so much you use "holocaust" to describe it

Jesus

[sharp meteor]

?

does infinite damagur to stuff near it

[flat tide]

You miss the point clearly

[sharp meteor]

❓

[thick reef]

❓

[mild thunder]

❓

[radiant field]

BOGGA CHOGGA ROGGA