as fury
#pvp
lucid walrus
armed warrior :)
mild thunder
wod fury, wod enh, wod ret all goated
quick carbon
wod arms also goated to me idc wot u ppl say
mild thunder
wod unholy
quick carbon
bro fatality
i likethis talent now LOL
its so broken
my minds been changed on it
200k in 1 global man
mild thunder
idk how long all your guys' games are
or how much you tunnel one mf target
but i only ever see like 60k max
i like it, but im not getting mf 200k
mild thunder
ah ok ye
ive had like 120k exe + 60k fatality
i thought you meant 200k fatality lmao
indigo barn
Most hated wizard?
mild thunder
the ones that do magic damage
muted surge
Dk :<
compact oak
How come Fury is more armed than Arms 
indigo barn
the ones that do magic damage
Ret 🤡
Reflect the execution sentence for a fat 80k crit
mild thunder
exe sentence doesnt work like that
you either reflect the initial app so it does nothing, or that's it
compact oak
We don't get to explode them for 20% of all damage we dealt over 8 seconds? ;O
Wait, if I reflect Incinerate, do I not get Soul Shards? 😦
indigo barn
you either reflect the initial app so it does nothing, or that's it
Last tick wont be affected by what the paladin does, but hits for 40-50k from a level 70
lean burrow
damn, that's interesting
try the same again, but with ret pumping into execution
pumping in the beginning and then doing nothing at the end
indigo barn
doesnt change it
did it last week
we did 90% of my hp during it
did 45k
and 45k
without pumps
undone pumice
Most hated wizard?
voldemort and umbridge
fickle forge
mild thunder
voldemort and umbridge
dude how can you put voldemort and dolores on the same level
undone pumice
ye doloroes way worse but i wanted to get 1 of each gender
mild thunder
bellatrix and dolores was the right answer
or the fraud guy in chamber of secrets, cant remember his name
indigo barn
gilderoy lockhart?
mild thunder
yea him
undone pumice
undone pumice
bellatrix and dolores was the right answer
ye but bellatrix got owned by molly so its like it balances it out
elfin surge
Nerf Warriors
This is unreal. DH finally had a good season, or the start of one, after years of being unplayable. Arms actually got benched for a season but fury crept out, but at least it was mostly under control.
But nope, as per usual, Blizzard ruins the game. Can’t let zug zug brown class struggle. DH gets gutted, and now the entire ladder is warriors.
Gut this class. Make them sit out a few seasons. I am so suck of come ape charging me and killing me through blur.
Class hard counters everything and nothing can kill them. They make the game worse for everyone.
Just gut them. I’m so sick of it.
lavish heron
10.0.7
youll say that about rets haha
i dont really mind warriors in pvp yeah that can be a pain
but no worse than DHs and sin rogues
muted surge
Is the ret change already on ptr?
lavish heron
yeh
mystic prairie
played wow for 4 days, hardstuck 1.1-1.2k SS, buff warrs pls
obtuse musk
dh/war mage/war or spriest/war for 3s? are all 3 comps good or is one better?
sharp meteor
i feel like mage/warr it too reliant on the mage having hands
worthy fern
@obtuse musk sp war best of those dh war easiest
Your sp gotta have hands
And your mage gotta have better hands
obtuse musk
👍 ah makes sense thanks.
worthy fern
If you’re a newer player dh war will prob be your most successful
terse cipher
arms and ret vs 2 ele shammies... we got burned around the clock. should we have just stayed on their healer, all things equal?
sharp meteor
i mean if it's an rsham sure otherwise just pick the ele with the worse mog and kill them
terse cipher
roflmao
shut barn
i mean if it's an rsham sure otherwise just pick the ele with the worse mog and ...
lol
its like always go on the vulpera if u see them
insta charge
sharp meteor
ya everybody all over my ass
there's also just going for the "hit nearest caster" approach to avoid dragging healer into bad spot but yeah splitting doesn't do anything and letting 2 eles freecast is usually feeding unless the healer is going to explode
azure geyser
Any tips for arms warrior in solo shuffle?
I feel like I am just trading one CD for one CD over and over
So Im just waiting and waiting without any real kill pressure ever
late nacelle
crit
sharp meteor
run at something as hard as you can while doing as much dmg as u can
trade cds reasonably and don't int positionally too hard
just don't get kitked/peeled on cds and u gucci
azure geyser
Yeah usually its fine unless against a mage
Feels like this is 4/5 solo shuffles today. Im dealing good damage but never get kills or have kill pressure. They always have some kind of defensive CD and lives
sharp meteor
dang not a lot of dmg going out
azure geyser
Im 1200-1300 rated with 418 pvp gear
sharp meteor
enchant chest then buy conquest legs to convert to tier then enchant those with fierce armor kit
also imo strength of arms better generalist pick
sharp meteor
crafted helm also handy
quaint snow
enjoyable
worthy fern
Looks like you were pretty dead already
116k execute at 4 percent health
Omg war op
sharp meteor
homie lookin like he got dogpiled in a bg or something
sage raptor
If you're ever thinking about creating a reddit account, just remember that "redditor" and "predator" rhyme for a reason.
frank knoll
Lost 150 mmr this morning
Solo shuffle
2/6, 2/6,3/6, 2/6
Every 2/6 game it’s cause my one of teammates gets wrecked in the first 2 mins
I didn’t die once
muted surge
“Always my teammate”
frank knoll
The person who throws for everyone else should lose more mmr
muted surge
That’s the right mindset
frank knoll
I can only intervene, and peel so much
Actually two of the games I got the same sv hunter
hollow ore
Get surprised first round, play around it the next ones
muted surge
You only play with one person twice, no?
hollow ore
Thats literally the only mechanic in SS
frank knoll
Who would run away from the healer and get globaled
worthy fern
Everyone in here acting like people don’t throw regularly In shuffle
frank knoll
Fr
worthy fern
Climbing In shuff rng is jsut as important as skill
muted surge
But if there are 2 inters, you should be positive win rate, not negative
frank knoll
Can only do so much, can’t fix stupid
frank knoll
I had a sub rogue last week, sit in the starting room whenever he was in my team and die, but actually play when we was on the other
Cause “I don’t like warriors”
quaint snow
also had an 1:5 and 2:4 right now, after i had 2.1 in sight.... shuffle struggles
lavish heron
its like the saying, if you dont see the prat that means you are the prat
muted surge
Cause “I don’t like warriors”
I mean, that’s funny
lavish heron
shufflethrowgang
worthy fern
I mean the shit happens all the time jsut have to keep queueing until you have several good lobbies in a row
And you’ll shoot up 150 cr
frank knoll
Yeah I’ve gone up 300 and then dropped 100 the next day
frank knoll
I still have like a 50/50 win loss rate
worthy fern
Was literally blasting all game cloning everyone off dr and just couldn’t 2v3
Guy isn’t even pressing all of his isnants
torpid roost
Does he have a chaos bolt or... lol
frank knoll
In fairness locks dont get to chaos bolt that much cause they’re usually getting trained
worthy fern
@frank knoll you get instant casts if you jsut press shadow burn on cd
frank knoll
Yeah true
worthy fern
There’s no in fairness here it’s jsut a player that has zero clue how their class works
I’m low cr on boomkin so kind of stuff is expected but that’s pretty bad still
frank knoll
should have some instant incinerates too
worthy fern
Yea
I’ve played a bit of destro recently and you have a lot you can do without casting
And spending shards on shadow burn will eventually give a free chaos bolt
Instant cast
frank knoll
Yeah when I play Destro I’m mostly pressing instas, my other globals are spent repositioning or cc’ing. Don’t have a lot of opportunities to press CB
worthy fern
@frank knoll key is to bait kicks and get precog and send the bolts
quick carbon
I have a love hate relationship with fighting casters
I like critting big numbers on them
I don’t like when I can’t touch them
lavish heron
i think boomie is slept on
quick carbon
what I hate beyond belief
lavish heron
christ
quick carbon
Is the gaslighting for casters rn
Every wizard player swears melee r so broken
When wizards are just better
By far
quick carbon
Unless ur sin rogue
quick carbon
destro sp arcane/frost ele boomy
lavish heron
i think they are the ones that complain the most
quick carbon
R all insane rn
mages are giga insane rn they have no right to complain lmao
ORBING HERE LANCE LANCE LANCE LANCE LANCE SPIKE LANCE LANCE LANCE LANCE
GG OUTPLAYED LOSER
lavish heron
yeh
quick carbon
but double caster is better than warrior x x
lavish heron
thats why casters are complaining
cos you can have a shit warrior
and still do great pressure
for mage not so much
quick carbon
I’d feel bad for them if they didn’t have precog and had to cast to do damage
quick carbon
ya caster skill cap is higher than melee
quick carbon
but they act like casters r unplayable
lavish heron
but they op when i play x caster
quick carbon
when casters are insane
lavish heron
everyones someones bitch
quick carbon
It’s just bad melee shit on bad casters
lavish heron
tbh all classes are actually in a suprisingly good spot atm
except enhance shammy
and frost dk
and afflic lock
dont play those you are groovy
mostly
quick carbon
But good casters molest good melee
lavish heron
other than git gud both sides
quick carbon
frost dk is fine don’t let them gaslight you
quick carbon
I hit a 110k frost strike into a 90k obliterate in back to back globals
lavish heron
and paper machie into melee
quick carbon
they do insane damage
quick carbon
they’ll have uptime on most things
With delirium chains and da
and their uptime only matters
On pillar
quick carbon
pillar is legit
wings damage
on a 1m cd
fdk is more than fine
it just isnt unholy
lavish heron
yeah thats the issue
and frost gets alot less love than unholy
im nto saying you are wrong
but you aint entirely right either 🙂
quick carbon
im not saying fdk is some
meta defining spec
but it isnt bad
fdk rn easily better than enhance/fury maybe ret too but thats more debatable
quick carbon
ya thats fair
qued into devoker destro sp in shuffle last night
with a fistweaver
it was awful
im still hurt rn
covert abyss
the dream
quick carbon
sick of the wizard gaslighting man
sharp meteor
i mean every season there's
1400 casters getting run the fuck over
fire or destro could be the best spec and they're still perma dead
quick carbon
precog was mistake zzz
oh no we both kicked cuz its an important cast i guess we just get owned here
terse cipher
oh no we both kicked cuz its an important cast i guess we just get owned her...
if the kick stopped an important cast, then isnt it worth it, despite precog?
elfin surge
link
mild thunder
oh no we both kicked cuz its an important cast i guess we just get owned her...
Good design 
quick carbon
gala
im retiring
from solo shuffle
i swear the amount of ppl who cheat/grief
is just insane
mild thunder
SoloQ is a waste of time
mystic prairie
in my case they only cheat when theyre on the opposing team. on my team they get trashed
totally not my fault
mild thunder
People int when they’re on my team but when when they’re against me they’re gods 
sharp meteor
for a lot of people it' sjust the button check
first round is guy getting blown up insta
open vessel
Does anyone here run dh arms war? Trying to decide if it's worth it or not.
mild thunder
It’s pretty shit imo
open vessel
It’s pretty shit imo
Why's that?
frank knoll
fdk rn easily better than enhance/fury maybe ret too but thats more debatable
Fury and enhance not even bad
But yeah people write off fdk, good burst and pretty disruptive, worst melee is prolly Outlaw because you can’t kill anyone
mild thunder
Fury is very bad
Enhance is 100% underrated, decent spec
Outlaw also defs not bad, just no reason to play it. Fury is objectively and by far the worst melee in PvP
sharp meteor
Fury and enhance not even bad
But yeah people write off fdk, good burst and pre...
fur seems
like playable
but
why
tranquil hemlock
Fury feels like shit
I think at least for me it feels so weak because of how good it’s been for so long now it’s just meh
dark sparrow
How do people cheat now
I mean meld bot is kind of a cheat no?
slow harness
Hey guys, I'm not the best warrior for pvp but I am 2800 in solo and I wanna see if anyone has questions so I can have a chance to help my fellow warriors out. I'm not sure how to go about this any tips?
frank knoll
Ur win cond as fury is to end the game before you get killed in the swap. Fury is really good at running people over
frank knoll
Enhance is 100% underrated, decent spec
Facts , enhance actually cranks
Tempted to level mine
I think fury is like C tier,
I give it a fun factor rank of S tier
lean burrow
Hey guys, I'm not the best warrior for pvp but I am 2800 in solo and I wanna see...
How to get glad?
sharp meteor
find big daddy ret to queue with after the rework
frank knoll
What does the Ret rework consist of?
Everything I’ve read was vague?
I know pony is off the GCD now that’s it
lavish heron
talent tree reqorked
new skills
a leap
defensives outside of bubble
and more range
thick reef
What does the Ret rework consist of?
Take the current spec, drag it outside, dump buckshot into it until a gory paste, and make a new one
frank knoll
I just read up on it, I feel like they will nerf some of that stuff in PvP
lavish heron
they already doine it
frank knoll
Wings in a 1min CD though, more defensives, and a heroic leap?
The fact that they get divine protection baseline is huge
The self healing stuff will probably be nerfed
frank knoll
I’ll check it out, I’ve always liked playing ret, just not lately
lavish heron
massiveimporvement
frank knoll
Not a fan of the immobile glass cannon play style
Last time I played Ret a lot was Long Arm of the Law era
lavish heron
daye they kinda bring that back
frank knoll
Now just give warrior MoP second wind 
frank knoll
Is ignore pain effected by damp?
green anchor
Now just give warrior MoP second wind <:yep:703420923625078804>
How did it work? I cannot remember lol
I remember how it worked in TBC
mild thunder
llvann whatever the youtuber
Like most YouTubers, he manages to misread or completely misunderstand most of the notes
mild thunder
I remember trying to watch a supatease tuning update video… wanted to gouge my eyes out
lavish heron
hes testing stuff out
basically ranged class
but its a quick and easy way to check it
lavish heron
or do that
mild thunder
The only time you should go to a YouTuber or streamer for info like that is if you play survival
mild thunder
Because Bicmex is epic
mild thunder
They need to not make mongoose mandatory
mild thunder
It just doesn’t make sense that a semi-ranged spec has a melee ability that requires you to be in melee for a long time to do good damage
lavish heron
honestly#
mild thunder
They need to fix sv mastery as well
frank knoll
Because Bicmex is epic
3 hour long guides
mild thunder
3 hour long guides
Good
At least it’s not another 10 minute “uhhh, here’s the talents 🤡” guide
slender lion
bit of mastery for roar build?
mild thunder
No
frank knoll
I like guides with gameplay and situational tips/tricks
And where they explain how abilities work vs what the scuffed tooltips say
slender lion
No
hmph, so still go for crit/vers weapon? ive got 424 vers/mastery weapon atm and a 421 crit/vers
lavish heron
anyone know when 10.0.7 is out yet
mild thunder
Bicmex just rambles, that’s why his guides are so long
lavish heron
or no date yet?
frank knoll
anyone know when 10.0.7 is out yet
Like April
mild thunder
Exactly
mild thunder
I’ve got too many alts, cbf playing them
lavish heron
pretty much that
mild thunder
Anytime I do I just think to myself “this would be more fun as a warrior”
So I level a new warrior
lavish heron
i got warrior dk and lock at 1800-2.1
outside of that
i dont care
ideally i need a leather and mail class
mild thunder
I’ll do my alts in 10.0.7 for the tmogs
frank knoll
Play warrior and lock, may level my Ret
lavish heron
so might do hunter
frank knoll
Also messin around with hunter
lavish heron
what spec lunk?
frank knoll
I’ve already accomplished my set goals for the season, log in one night a week
BM mainly
mild thunder
I’ve got ww, dh, 2 warrs, ret, sham, feral, hunter all at 70 and honor geared… still cbf
mild thunder
frank knoll
Random BGs are the most fun
mild thunder
lavish heron
solo shuffle till 2.5k would disagree
green anchor
Random BGs are the most fun
wtf
lavish heron
haha
green anchor
I think that's the worst PvP environment in the game
green anchor
or more like the worst PvP feature
oh if you mean as a ranged class then I guess so lol
wooden grove
Solo random bg are one of the worst ways to experience the game
Grouped random bg? Now that’s fun
green anchor
the epic bgs like Tarren Mill, Ashran etc are suited for ranged classes
Melee just gets shitmixed and feeds
wooden grove
Epic are ranged only too true
green anchor
MM hunters have the most fun in those
lavish heron
mm in any bg
frank knoll
I love solo random BGs
lavish heron
is just laughing
frank knoll
When I have full gear, just crush people
peak saddle
can anyone tell me what the stats of arms pvp bleed build look like? i feel like something is wrong with my stats
mild thunder
There are no perfect stat% distributions
sharp meteor
can anyone tell me what the stats of arms pvp bleed build look like? i feel like...
haste good
crit good
peak saddle
There are no perfect stat% distributions
IDK i was looking on some top rank arms stats and some have 15-16+ mastery and 20+ haste
i'm not sure what the goal is tbh
there's not even 1 in depth arms bleed guide on YT🥲
dark sparrow
IDK i was looking on some top rank arms stats and some have 15-16+ mastery and 2...
Where were you checking the stats?
sharp meteor
there's not even 1 in depth arms bleed guide on YT🥲
kind of early for in depth stuff eh
also wonder if we get more tuning
or if it's another week of disc ruining the game
along with assa
mild thunder
Doubt arms will be tuned any more
sharp meteor
ye arms seems to be in a reasonable place
mild thunder
If you want a guide, check IcyVeins
sharp meteor
i could MAYBE see unhinged ms's getting a minor nerf
but for the most part seems dece
mild thunder
Most of the YouTube guides are shit anyway, don’t rely on them
sharp meteor
most youtube stuff is just a guy rattling through what u could easily see on a stats website
nothing about gameplay
mild thunder
And somehow getting it wrong
elfin surge
cock
sharp meteor
wet dirt pls
mild thunder
Wow pvp is just too small and niche for content creators to be fucked putting in effort tbh
Unless you’re already big
sharp meteor
ya it rly is too much effort
and game always changing
for all i know raging blow fury could be bis
it isn't but u know
mild thunder
for all i know raging blow fury could be bis
it is bro, i swear bro, fury is actually bis bro
sharp meteor
missing her (crushing blow charge)
sage raptor
It got nerfed because of a tierset btw
And got no buffs to compensate
When they could've just removed the charge from the procs like they did with warlock
sharp meteor
It got nerfed because of a tierset btw
charge got removed because pve players charged into mechanics trying to do damage
also why is fury tier so booty this season
execute crit like what the
mild thunder
charge got removed because pve players charged into mechanics trying to do damag...
actually true
idk rb build is still boring anyway, the spec wont be fun until it gets a rework (11.0 please)
just give it the wod revert treatment, everyone's happy
merry valley
execute crit like what the
if execute actualy delt dmg, would be pretty good
mild thunder
fury single-target is doodoo anyway
only reason it's good this tier is because there's so many aoe fights
mild thunder
Got 2350+ mmr in 3s today
nice!
yea affli dmg is actually wild
esp if you give them precog (good design)
tribal wedge
i swear precog is garbage
especialy when you play with 2sec reaction time mate =))))))
tribal wedge
it is
sage raptor
i swear precog is garbage
Even worse with unholy. Can't use leap to connect your pet to targets :)
tribal wedge
tell him to just stop press kick, at least i can stun
muted surge
especialy when you play with 2sec reaction time mate =))))))
2 sec reaction time?
seems like an issue
tribal wedge
i exaggerate, but hard to play against demo with a CC wall every 15 sec
sharp meteor
u gotta hire somebody to dress ur chars
elfin surge
thats a lit mog man
mild thunder
actually a good mog
steep inlet
Fury
Rampage damage increased by 15% in PvP combat.
Execute damage increased by 10% in PvP combat.
Items
Gladiator’s Distinction’ Stamina provided by the bonus increased by 40%
rotund trellis
copper hare
No ele nerfs again
no assa nerf
no disc nerf
mm buffs
blizz delusional, SL 2.0 all over again
tribal wedge
stamina up once again
sharp meteor
outlaw buff no sub changes hmhmhmhm
tribal wedge
we fucked
copper hare
they should just remove the 10% dampening from the beginning
its way too much with the current pace
sharp meteor
partial revert of damp changes seem reasonable ya
at least shave half of the extra damp off
mild thunder
sharp meteor
and see how things feel
mild thunder
how do they keep getting away with this shit
copper hare
Nah they just love rogue mage disc lock on top
mild thunder
mfw enh nerf is more meaningful than assa nerf
copper hare
obviously
copper hare
priest rogue are never nerfed when super fotm
SL s2 - s4 holy priest, s3-s4 outlaw rogue
and it continues
fuck pvp
copper hare
Like I have nothing against disc being viable and having a lot of cooldowns, but being able to push 20k dps as healer
has no place in pvp
mild thunder
yep
sharp meteor
pls do not bully the non-disc healers
fair tide
sucks thou cause I was 4-0 😦
sharp meteor
they are endangred species
hazy isle
the stam buff is probably not much right
mild thunder
it's decent
copper hare
they gotta reduce dampening again or just remove primary stat from pvp trinkets entirely
quiet pendant
Are those fury buffs moving the needle? Or fury still Garbo?
spark oyster
Excited for fury buffs. Sad for stam buffs. I feel like that’ll let damp rake fury over the coals even harder with less long term survivability. I wonder if those buffs will be significant enough to make a difference though.
But what do I know, me dumb.
thick reef
Are those fury buffs moving the needle? Or fury still Garbo?
Still garbo
Execute & Rampage damage buffs do nothing when everyone just got tankier
icy bridge
The stamina buff is about 15k hp
assuming no talent that increases your overall stamina like DK
mild thunder
they gotta reduce dampening again or just remove primary stat from pvp trinkets ...
Yep, damp changes were so stupid
mild thunder
Still garbo
Fury’s problem isn’t just damage either, it’s the ms. The spec just brings nothing
sharp meteor
feels like it does nothing except dmg
and will keep getting buffs because it's balls
torpid roost
What are the dampening changes
sharp meteor
hm? the ones they made pre df?
mild thunder
Fury’s raw dmg isn’t completely horrible, or just doesn’t have anything to make the damage stick, like sharpen, or even a decent ms
And yea it just dies easily now
torpid roost
Oh so there's no incoming changes
sharp meteor
proven tiger
Fury’s raw dmg isn’t completely horrible, or just doesn’t have anything to make ...
Is the pvp talent that gives healing reduction for fury not good?
topaz tulip
Does reflex only show battlegrounds? I've noticed it's only updating when I jump in an rbg but never shows shuffle
sharp meteor
Works for all queued pvp.
topaz tulip
welp. Idk why it's broken
onyx valve
https://www.twitch.tv/venruki/clip/AlertEvilHawkGrammarKing-JGoOew-g539qHsa7
He’s not wrong, that’s the sad thing. They’ve been pretty heavy handed all expansion until that with nerfs.
merry valley
Fury ms would actually be OK if all others didn't overwrite it on first stack
little lava
if anyone still wondering if fatal marks is good, its fucking insane when facing comps where u mostly train 1 target and the arena will last 2/3m +
hitting for 80k-100k fatal marks + execute damage
insane when u bring target to 30%, u most of the time kill em
sharp meteor
i think it's good in 3v3, like excellent if you're training somebody
90k pop finishes them off
mild thunder
Is the pvp talent that gives healing reduction for fury not good?
it's very bad
mild thunder
https://www.twitch.tv/venruki/clip/AlertEvilHawkGrammarKing-JGoOew-g539qHsa7
perfect summary
and most other specs were nerfed very quickly as well.... arms was top tier for a week before we got nerfed, uhdk pre-season, havoc got successive nerfs for the start of the season
assa... 5% here, 5% there and ignore the rest
earnest wharf
when pallies get leap, will prot pallies be decent rbg tanks?
sharp meteor
Hopefully not. 
earnest wharf
shit! sucks having only 2 viable FC's
mild thunder
rbgs 
earnest wharf
even though i don't play pally, i'd like all tanks to be closer for more variety
hey rbg's can be fun too haha
mild thunder
even though i dont play tank, id like all tanks to be removed from pvp
sharp meteor
Also a reminder but 2 LFR bosses or 1 super low key counts as a vault slot if you for whatever reason can't be bothered to finish the third pvp one. 
earnest wharf
it's half social aspect of just hanging out with hopefully 10 chill players vs 3
mild thunder
it's half social aspect of just hanging out with hopefully 10 chill players vs 3
gl finding 10 chill pvpers
earnest wharf
of course i'd rather prot wars be buffed in some pvp way
i joined a random aussie guild for late night rbg's, well their community, bunch of guys and gals talking with funny accents drinking aussie beer while rbg'ing, was pretty fun lol. Not competitive but fun socially
mild thunder
all tanks
yes, australians are very cool and epic
i find it pre hard to sit in rbg groups with all americans... why do you guys all have the same annoying, grating voice?
indigo barn
sharp meteor
frostmourne has entered the lobby
mild thunder
Frostmourne is fine, it’s the Nagrand players you gotta watch out for… they’re all pve-ers that PvP once a year and think they’re the bees knees
spice hornet
why is rally on the gcd
idk how many times ive died pressing fear but it not being enough but i die from the gcd before i can rally lol
indigo barn
Frostmourne is fine, it’s the Nagrand players you gotta watch out for… they’re a...
Wasn't nagrand the frostmourne but for those who couldn't stand getting ganked once every 6 weeks?
mild thunder
idk how many times ive died pressing fear but it not being enough but i die from...
pre much every rmp loss summed up right there
spice hornet
that was exactly the comp
happens to me vs. thug sometimes too if the hutner steps out of range while im moving at 30% move speed to try to fear
spice hornet
gettiong so tired of every shuffle lobby containing a disc and an assassination lol
sharp meteor
Well, don't expect that to be changing for at least another month or two.
mild thunder
gettiong so tired of every shuffle lobby containing a disc and an assassination ...
dont worry, they're getting nerfed
sike
i love ele
sharp meteor
Whew.
mild thunder
also found out they can NS the ele blast so it's instant
thick reef
how many rounds are you expected to win, assuming evenish skill, if your SS lobby is Pres/Disc/Ele/Aff/Boomie? You have a 10ilvl deficit
mild thunder
assuming equal skill? few-to-zero
thick reef
sick. rng'd out of a decent mmr.
mild thunder
i mean, the goal isn't to be "at equal skill", the goal is to be better than everyone else in your lobby... that's how you climb
thick reef
right but i havent played much arena lately and that was my second SS game on warrior ever. 1.9mmr
mild thunder
yea im just being an asshole because im tilted from that ele blast
spice hornet
Disc hits me for 37k exp 66k death thriugh parry DR 
sharp meteor
I hit a 110k death on my Priest that wasn't even full gear.
mild thunder
it's just extra-demoralising today because the tuning changes are so swampass
gonna be the same aids assa/caster/disc meta all season
sharp meteor
Actually, though.
mild thunder
fixing damp is a better fix
sharp meteor
+40% stam again?!
Only 800 but it's still nice, I suppose.
sharp meteor
fixing damp is a better fix
Yes. At the very least a partial revert would take some pressure off healers.
mild thunder
also having other healers besides just disc
uneven turret
fury > arms after tomorrow?
uneven turret
grand scaffold
ooh
nah
not pushing past arms
defo nice
but not enough
i think i might find a way of getting ashen juggernaught into fury build
what we need is to have leech healing so that rb build is playable
mild thunder
fury > arms after tomorrow?
none of fury's real problems are being addressed... in its current iteration, the only way fury is ever viable is if it does ungodly damage or ungodly healing
there's just zero reason to ever play it... mediocre damage, squishy, horrible ms effect, low-to-moderate cc, poor utility
grand scaffold
imagine
i start playing arms again after a couple weeks
go 5-1
only 41 points
🤢
tropic wave
I went 4-2 yesterday and got a whopping 3 points
warped warren
negative mmr WHY AM I NOT GETTING RATING?!?!?
guys im 1200 cr with 400 mmr why am i not getting rating with 1 win 5 losses??????
mild thunder
quiet pendant
I might be one of the few ones but I just do t enjoy arms. I find fury more as simple as it is
mild thunder
🤡 🤡 🤡
fickle forge
there's just zero reason to ever play it... mediocre damage, squishy, horrible m...
As it should be
inner oasis
Hemotoxin (PvP Talent) healing reduction effect reduced to 30% (was 35%).
Will this even do anything?
mild thunder
Will this even do anything?
noper
inner oasis
there's just zero reason to ever play it... mediocre damage, squishy, horrible m...
Isnt fury ms strong? If u can keep the stacks up
mild thunder
lol no
you cant keep the stacks up, they fall off no matter what
and any class with a better ms will just override it
fickle forge
Solution? Don't play fury, go lift and come back as arms
mortal elm
fury's design was never meant for pvp imo, i seen and thought it since i started the game
mild thunder
i mean, yes and no
mortal elm
i think all those fury pvp hype was cause as you said it had godly dmg with necrolord fury
mild thunder
fury's current iteration is just particularly bad - it has had its spells as being a dominant pvp spec in the past
to clarify, even in SL as necro fury, the reason fury was strong wasnt necessarily the dmg, it was a near-infinite 40% ms effect that was totally beyond busted
it made the already good dmg fury did feel unhealable
mortal elm
isnt it still %40?
mild thunder
fury's ms was completely reworked...
inner oasis
Necro fury was fun yh
muted surge
Spamming op until ms is ready
quick carbon
I won’t lie
grand scaffold
tbh
quick carbon
you just win next go he has to trinket to disarm u
grand scaffold
fury in s3 and s4 sl was good
quick carbon
cant trinket every minute
mild thunder
good =/= fun
mortal elm
it was good not cause it was fun
it was good cause it was disgustingly op
i didnt had fun while pushing with fury in s4 tbh
inner oasis
ah yes, spamming raging blow until your rampage lit up
What do we do now as arms or any other dps spec? Overpowered until ms lights up? 😆
mild thunder
What do we do now as arms or any other dps spec? Overpowered until ms lights up...
wtf is that sentence g
grand scaffold
good =/= fun
i found it really fun
mortal elm
are you even play arms :D lmao why you keep saying spaming op until ms is up?
grand scaffold
you were able to press crushing blow a lot
quick carbon
I was on deployment during end of s2 and all of s3 so I came back and played wotlk thank god I never experienced sl fury
inner oasis
Haha autocorrect kicked in
mild thunder
I was on deployment during end of s2 and all of s3 so I came back and played wot...
fury so boring mfs would rather be on deployment than play it
mild thunder
yea i took a pretty big break during late s2/3
barely pvp'd at all in the last few seasons
quick carbon
If I never got deployed in s2 I would of got 3k istg
mild thunder
s4 all i did was mount farm lol
quick carbon
s4 I was playing wotlk warrior having a blast
fickle forge
That time's gone dude
quick carbon
the game can never go back to how it was in wrath
quick carbon
Not every melee attack can 1/4 someones hp bar
not every caster can just hardcast for damage now
mild thunder
not even just the dmg
quick carbon
mop was by far my fav version of warrior
rotationally
not even cuz it was so strong
the way u did damage was way more fun
mild thunder
not having to infinite stack modifiers, not having ms get reset by every button, not having infinite rage etc
quick carbon
colossus smash being a resettable rotational ability
Ms was a rage generator
Overpower hit pretty hard
mild thunder
wod arms 
fickle forge
Legion rotation was good for me
fickle forge
Pain Train
mild thunder
its also just kinda disappointing that DF arms is just SL arms with a suit and tie
fickle forge
Pretty much
fickle forge
quick carbon
I like the build variety
grand scaffold
i havent enjoyed arms since legion
fickle forge
Least fun arms ever was for me was BFA
grand scaffold
this expansion it was actually fun
mild thunder
the builds dont even vary rotation that much
mortal elm
Least fun arms ever was for me was BFA
yeah
mild thunder
it essentially boils down to - do i maintain rend or not
grand scaffold
bfa arms was yuck
mild thunder
i dont maintain rend as the spear-ms build
quick carbon
ur trolling
mild thunder
i use it as filler, because it's lower DPR than just pressing ms
quick carbon
Imagine playing spear
fickle forge
Remember hitting Exe 4 times into a rogue sub-20%, and man didn't die to any of those attacks, but Reaping Flames procs
quick carbon
fickle forge
BFA was the time everyone did less damage than their belt
mild thunder
spear is boring
fickle forge
Spear BiS
mild thunder
and i want it deleted
grand scaffold
i want necro banner
fickle forge
Wdym
grand scaffold
on 1:30 cd
fickle forge
Banner and Spear are both Chad
grand scaffold
bruh you think everything is fun till its not flavor of the month
fickle forge
Condoomers will tell you otherwise
mild thunder
literally none of the cov abilities were fun
mild thunder
except aftershock memes
grand scaffold
i miss condemn
fickle forge
literally none of the cov abilities were fun
Average dopamine deprived chatter
mild thunder
condemn was legitimately, genuinely, honestly HORRIBLE design
muted surge
It was a boring ability
muted surge
Yay, more 1 button spam
muted surge
In pvp it was just toxic
grand scaffold
with unnerfed death sentence
mild thunder
my guy, these cannot both be true
grand scaffold
UNKITABLE
grand scaffold
my guy, these cannot both be true
they both are
fickle forge
Man I remember Condoom meta
mild thunder
"condemn was fun because you only pressed 1 button"
grand scaffold
i like spammy classes thats just me
fickle forge
And frost TSG with Heartstop
fickle forge
🤮
grand scaffold
oh yuck
mild thunder
🤢
mild thunder
man im actually starting to feel over warrior now
feels like they never take the class anywhere fun anymore
if they didnt ruin feral id probably be maining it this season
fickle forge
I remember one time going up vs @steep inlet in SL S1 where he played frost TSG. I was a dumbass and thought Spear was cool stuff, and couldn't for the life of me keep up on dmg when my rotation was 30% slower than Condoom spamming
grand scaffold
bro
feral isnt ruined
its like actually its a pretty cool class
ide play it if i was competant
mild thunder
feral has become incredibly boring
grand scaffold
how
mild thunder
compared to how engaging it was in SL
fickle forge
What
mild thunder
now 90% of matchups are "spam primal wrath, wait for apex procs"
fickle forge
SL feral was tunnel 1 dude cause of Draught
grand scaffold
^
mild thunder
circle feral in SL
quick carbon
I miss wod enhance
fickle forge
Real Chads
mild thunder
but yea now it feels omega-dumbed down
mild thunder
bloodtalons is dead, most ferals dont even run swarm half the time
and their cc got pruned
quick carbon
I’d rather fight wod combat rogue 12 second kidney double killing spree red buff rogue than fight current assassination/subtlety
quick carbon
siege breaker was funny but bad
fickle forge
Lost my mind going vs outlaw/sub every other 2s game last season
mild thunder
it's so much better going vs assa every other 2s game now
grand scaffold
dragon roar used to stun people
quiet pendant
I wish they could delete frost mages . It is borderline retarded
grand scaffold
it really was a good time
fickle forge
it's so much better going vs assa every other 2s game now
Yes, cause now my spec is also broken 
fickle forge
imagine playing in sl s4 lmao
Eyo we topped top 5 arms
fickle forge
There may also only have been 5 arms players though
fickle forge
mild thunder
wod was goated
mild thunder
LF wod anything
grand scaffold
NOOOOO
fickle forge
Winds enh sham was mad fun Imo
fickle forge
Dislike this hybrid thing it's currently
grand scaffold
one of my fav classes ever
mild thunder
wod enh
wod ret
wod fury
wod arms
wod gladstance
wod dh and evoker
wod ww
wod dk
all goated
quick carbon
wod dk was completely inferior to mop dk
fickle forge
WoD DH was my fav spec
quick carbon
wod arms is one of my fav versions off warrior tbh
mild thunder
wod dh and evoker were actually the best versions ong
fickle forge
there's no other super fun specs atm to reroll to
Dopamine deprived
quick carbon
killing 3 ppl at once is just so satisfying
indigo barn
Less defence, block became shield charge which was a damage increase buff, like savage roar
You kept all your defensive CDs
Only problem at the time was it was a carpal tunnel spec
I hit 210apm in one instance of hero in wod
Oh and you couldn't switch out of it in combat
Yet baddies called it op cause you could wall and last stand
Was gutted after highmaul
mild thunder
Just give current prot glad stance
current prot
is incredibly fucking boring
its just another kinda-high apm spam spec
indigo barn
So 90% of current specs?
mild thunder
no, just all warrior specs rn
mild thunder
low apm =/= slow
mild thunder
ww is historically one of the lowest apm specs in the game
it does not play slowly
high apm =/= fun and engaging
grand scaffold
ww is historically one of the lowest apm specs in the game
how
grand scaffold
high apm =/= fun and engaging
wrong
mild thunder
ww has a lot of natural downtime in its rotation, even if you manage your resources perfectly
most energy specs do, except for feral rn because it's overly energy flooded
grand scaffold
"i can mash bt endlessly, omg this is so fun" 🤡
mashing raging blow is really fun
not bt
grand scaffold
no
mild thunder
spam bt until rampage lights up
spam rb until rampage lights up
not the same thing...
grand scaffold
it isnt