just post gameplay as is
#pvp
lean burrow
mild thunder
post gameplay is the best tip we can give you until we see gameplay tbh
topaz tulip
Alright, gimmie a bit. If I can set it up before this next pop i'll throw it up
spark oyster
Alright, gimmie a bit. If I can set it up before this next pop i'll throw it up
Are you NA or EU?
topaz tulip
NA
topaz tulip
I lied, I guess after I tilted 200cr I skipped and didn't play much to get it back. Haven't broken back into 16 yet
mild thunder
did you get back up from 2300?
havent really played shuffle in about a month
i either play 3s on my main or 3s on an alt
or level another warrior alt
grand scaffold
whats your 3s cr up to now
mild thunder
we were 2k something, went on a brilliant 10 game loss streak, then climbed back up to about 1970
mfw when a loss is -16 and a win is +9 
green anchor
Which shaman totems should I definitely try to get rid of?
I kill Skyfury, Counterstrike
this Earthen Wall one seems to absorb so much dmg
mild thunder
skyfury, grounding, counterstrike, healing stream, spirit link, static field, w/e that res totem is called
im probs missing some, i never see rshams anymore
grand scaffold
we were 2k something, went on a brilliant 10 game loss streak, then climbed back...
im at 1840
mild thunder
dont have to kill earthen, just dont fight on top of/near it - treat it like priest dome
hollow ore
mfw when a loss is -16 and a win is +9 <:weird:718676218500874320>
fr same
we're losing our shit over there
tagging into shadowplay disc variant is a fucking war crime
mild thunder
our losses were just stupid, lazy games we should've won today
we didnt even start communicating until game 6, we were just getting too tilted
topaz tulip
Literally never uploaded a video to youtube in teh 10+ years I've had it
40 minutes wtf
mild thunder
playing kitty?
of course 
hollow ore
lowkey want my dk to reroll to feral but
he has 2 brain cells 😔
we're gonna try destrolock+awar later in the season I think
I've been told we can do some nasty switches
hollow ore
ye but the insane pressure from feral makes your spikes deadly doesn't it?
we struggle alot in tsg vs kitty
DK just can't stay alive
mild thunder
yea our dmg is gnarly, and we have insane swap potential
lots of short CD stuns, combined with sharpen
hollow ore
ngl that sounds like a fun af comp
green anchor
skyfury, grounding, counterstrike, healing stream, spirit link, static field, w/...
ty
mild thunder
it's definitely the most fun melee cleave for warr imo
tsg, ret/warr, turbo etc all feel a bit slow compared to it
mild thunder
i miss lots of things about wod 
mild thunder
wod pvp was goated fr fr
same as mop
this xpac WOULD be goated if they finished some tuning
hollow ore
ngl if it wasn't for all the fucking cut content
would've been great
gladiator sanctum was pog
and the dps spec in prot was like a dream
gladiator stance or w/e
mild thunder
glad stance
hollow ore
hunting down pandarens and goblins to finish off the warlord of draenor questline lmfao
mild thunder
hollow ore
loads of people talk about MoP as the golden age of modern pvp
I missed it cuz I was on hiatus after TLK
MAYBE MOP CLASSIC WILL BE MY TIME 🐒
hollow ore
even the tanking stuff
with vengeance
sounds like alot of fun
revenge?
idk
the % dmg buff stacking
mild thunder
mop was bis xpac for lots of things
bis zone design
bis pvp
bis music
bis aesthetic
hollow ore
my edgy teen side lowkey loved the SL sets aesthetics
SHAME WE HAD 1 SET PER FUCKING PATCH
mild thunder
lol how old are you
mild thunder
ah yea, still a kid
hollow ore
shuu
mild thunder
or 9
hollow ore
I was like 9 or 10 during TLK
let's say I was monki war fury in ICC
one macro cast sequence
whole dps rotation
kekw
mild thunder
i got my first max lvl char in mop
hollow ore
gigachad
hollow ore
gnome?
hollow ore
"get shit on" 😎
topaz tulip
@mild thunder @grand scaffold posted
topaz tulip
❤️
mild thunder
the real reason i made an arms warrior
if anyone is familiar with this movie, i'll be very impressed
lean burrow
rexxar?
mild thunder
no, but pre sure he was one of the major inspirations for rexxar, at least visually
Darkwolf, from the old Fire and Ice movie
from like, the 80s, dude was a mf gigachad
safe glen
is there a breakdown what conquest gear I should get for my arms warrior in pvp?
i dont wanna buy the wrong stuff with my limited ressources
safe glen
i dont know where to reliably get conquest considering how shit i am lol
im running a spear build, is that the cool spec?
topaz tulip
im running a spear build, is that the cool spec?
Pretty much every build has spear or roar and they're interchangeable, so not really an answer
muted surge
cool spec is everything but sks
topaz tulip
cool spec is everything but sks
Wait is sks really not as good with crit?
muted surge
just that bleed scales better with haste
topaz tulip
skullsplitter
safe glen
so skullsplitter is more bleed focussed, because it does the bleed thingy
topaz tulip
indeed
topaz tulip
just that bleed scales better with haste
I've kept the same crit gear, I guess I could swap it out though? think a sim may be necessary?
muted surge
you dont sim pvp
espceially bcs i dont think theres a sim that takes hte pvp modifiers
topaz tulip
Fair. I guess I've got extra cq I can use to test
Speaking of extra cq, does it go away at the end of each season or does it roll over? Cuz i've got 3k idk what to do with
Oh god the haste feels way better
undone pumice
topaz tulip
same as mop
You didn't like legion with the 0 cd death sentence?
grand scaffold
You didn't like legion with the 0 cd death sentence?
legion was great
just artifact weapons in general
were a good system
summer tiger
were you there for first few weeks ?
topaz tulip
Yeah I loved the artifact weapons. And even though you only got a few different skins, I kind of appreciate them more than most of the random drop items. They felt like actual work
grand scaffold
were you there for first few weeks ?
of legion?
topaz tulip
Book catchup?
mild thunder
legion ruined so many fun specs
everything got turned into generic build-and-spend 😴
summer tiger
yup
grand scaffold
what specs were ruined in legion?
summer tiger
character felt like it came out from a Moba
no cap
imagine playing arms, no intervene, no shatter, reflect was a honor talent im psure
mild thunder
what specs were ruined in legion?
fury, enh, balance
probs a bunch of others i cant remember
ele kinda
mild thunder
balance and enh both used to be some of the most unique specs in the game
especially bal
summer tiger
lets be real who likes new mm and new sub compared to old
grand scaffold
aint no way fury was ruined
mild thunder
had an awesome rotation design, unlike any other spec
and then it was turned into
astral power 
grand scaffold
boomy was cool in wod
there was a bar
that shifted around
and depending on what side you were on different things were better
mild thunder
and yea wod fury was actually super cool, fully coherent spec, proper rage management rotation, non-linear rotation
very cool
summer tiger
MoP balance druid was the shit
mild thunder
fury needs a rework now
summer tiger
and yeah pre-rampage fury is also better
mild thunder
hardcore
mild thunder
idgaf
grand scaffold
statistically speaking
summer tiger
cause it's easier
mild thunder
ferocious bite feral was also more popular
grand scaffold
so how was it ruined
summer tiger
generally legion made shit easier to understand/play
mild thunder
the rotation? yep
summer tiger
generally legion made shit easier to understand/play
and ruined so many classes with that, marksman hunter, sub rogue, combat rogue are on the top of my head
mild thunder
but yea idk how anyone can look at fury rn and think "yes, this is a fun, well-designed spec that should remain this way"
like bruh
grand scaffold
but doesnt seem very hard, no
assa rogue is pretty hard
mild thunder
it's boring as fuck
mild thunder
assa rogue is pretty hard
🧢
mild thunder
whoever conned you into thinking assa is remotely difficult
green wyvern
no
mild thunder
arms is badly designed
not on the same level as fury, but yea it's not particularly well-designed
green wyvern
most classes this expansion have unecessary button bloat
mild thunder
there are at least viable builds you can run as arms that make it far more engaging than the base ms build
mild thunder
the only dps spec right now
summer tiger
whoever conned you into thinking assa is remotely difficult
assa is still rogue, and rogue isn't easy purely cause it's rogue, sure you can win games without doing much rogue-y things on assa rn but the skill cap is still there
mild thunder
that i can safely say feels well-designed
is ww
and feral
feral only has one problem imo
green wyvern
assa is the easiest to play rogue spec
mild thunder
assa is still rogue, and rogue isn't easy purely cause it's rogue, sure you can ...
you can say the exact same thing about arms though... the rotation is easy, but the skillcap is high because of the utility'
mild thunder
you can still derp your way to 2400+ as assa
grand scaffold
i like outlaw
mild thunder
also yea, anyone that has ever played ww in pve content absolutely loves it
grand scaffold
outlaw is an easy spec tho
mild thunder
it's a fucking phenomenally designed dps rotation
grand scaffold
if you can manage spamming buttons
mild thunder
feral is fun, the thing making it lame rn is primal wrath
rip cant be strong in single-target when it's so easy to apply in aoe
so primal wrath needs to be replaced
summer tiger
you can say the exact same thing about arms though... the rotation is easy, but ...
that and compared to warrior you're kinda paper unless you're playing in to wizards where warrior is def the paper winner x)
mild thunder
that and compared to warrior you're kinda paper unless you're playing in to wiza...
🧢
summer tiger
I hate how feral is braindead dmg now
mystic barn
outlaw at least requires high apm
Aren’t all rogue specs the same apm cuz 1 sec gcd
summer tiger
no clones
mild thunder
assa has a short cd eva, double step, vanish and infinite cc
grand scaffold
i might actually try and get cr as dh in solo shuffle
all i have to do to survive is not waste blur
summer tiger
assa has a short cd eva, double step, vanish and infinite cc
evasion is 2 min no ?
grand scaffold
yea
summer tiger
same as cloak
mild thunder
still feels short af
grand scaffold
yea
summer tiger
feels*
grand scaffold
bro aint nothing short about 2 min
mild thunder
either way, they make up for it with infinite cc and double step
if you think assa is squishy
idk what to say
summer tiger
It most definetly is, you should try playing it.
mild thunder
eva, double step, cloak, high-cc, vanish, cheat death/feint, some self-healing
it's defs not squishy
grand scaffold
It most definetly is, you should try playing it.
dh is pretty fun too
its like fury which i enjoy
except
BETTER
summer tiger
it's defs not squishy
and then you die in a stun
mild thunder
like warrior?
green anchor
yeah 😂
mild thunder
like, idk what that's supposed to mean lmao
almost any spec rn dies in a stun
especially when they verse assa
summer tiger
def not like warrior, pre ignore pain + def stance is stronger than pre feint even
mild thunder
pre IPing + dstance isn't saving you from major CDs in a stun lol
summer tiger
I hold on to my trinket much more on rogue than any other melee cause I know I'm literally dead next stun
mild thunder
have you versed high-rated rogue comps as arms?
you waste trinket anywhere, they swap and kill you next go
guaranteed
especially sub
summer tiger
oh yeah I've killed rogues in a bolt with just colossus
mild thunder
so... with your major CD?
mild thunder
yes, cs is arms' major CD
mild thunder
cs is arms' biggest modifier...
summer tiger
it's not your biggest burst by any means, that's spear
mild thunder
well if you're killing in a stun, duration doesn't really matter
mild thunder
it's not your biggest burst by any means, that's spear
most arms warriors barely even run spear that much anymore lmao
and no, your biggest mod is cs
summer tiger
you pair it with cs, and sure the biggest mod can be cs but you can't call cs a major cd
when it's literally rotational
in this expac
mild thunder
i mean, shiv is rotational
it's still a fairly major cd
fuck, kidney is basically rotational at this rate
summer tiger
shiv isn't a major cd either you just pair it with other shit that's actually major
mild thunder
yes, that's how modifiers work
you use them, and your other stuff does even more
do you think shadow dance is not a major CD as well?
summer tiger
yes no shit thanks for explaining that, point is rogue is squishy, I multiclass allot, played dh/dk/warr/surv hunt/rogue/mage
my rogue felt the squishiest out of all of them, and no that doesn't mean it dies easily when you have a brain
you step away 24/7 BEFORE trouble happens
mild thunder
being able to step away - being elusive, avoiding damage/cc etc. is a part of making you tankier
summer tiger
my view on squish/tanky is you hit someone
he takes big or small number
big = squish
small = tanky
mild thunder
fair enough, i think that's a little simplistic and probably misses the point of what we mean when we talk about something being hard to kill
you can hit into warrior and do less than you might to a rogue, but you'd be hard-pressed to say rogue is easier to kill
summer tiger
It's a complex subject, cause sure you can't really train a rogue but you can swap on them and it will be very effective.
mild thunder
kinda like you can swap onto a warrior and it can be pretty effective
i know when im playing im a lot more scared of having an assa rogue swap me with a kidney than a warrior with their storm bolt
but maybe im retarded
summer tiger
yes rogue is scary but you're kinda changing subjects, now we're talking about who has the stronger stun lol
obv it's rogue
always has been
mild thunder
TL:DR assa is not squishy, has a lot of ways to avoid damage and being killed
arms kinda squishy, but in a better spot than quite a few melee defensively
summer tiger
cause from your PoV mage is the tankiest class in the game if you're a melee
mild thunder
i dont think they're too much of a hassle to kill anymore
summer tiger
you can barely touch them
good ones
3 shimmers + alter tp + blastwave + 2 novas + spammable slow
mild thunder
they're annoying, but you can get decent uptime on them and kill them in only a few globals when you're on top
so no, i dont think they're particularly tanky
summer tiger
decent uptime with allot of help from your resident hpal I presume
mild thunder
i dont play with an hpal, but ok
summer tiger
3 shimmers + alter tp + blastwave + 2 novas + spammable slow
cause no way in hell are you beating this
with 2 charges and leap
topaz tulip
Just to clarify from earlier, do you think war is squishy or no?
mild thunder
well 3s arent a 1v1 between me and another spec
summer tiger
war is middle of the pack, not tanky not squish imo
mild thunder
not exactly how it works
topaz tulip
And rog is more squishy than war?
mild thunder
also warrior doesnt just have 2 charges and a leap to deal with mage
topaz tulip
also warrior doesnt just have 2 charges and a leap to deal with mage
It do feel like that tho
summer tiger
yes please avatar out of my root so I can just root you again
please bolt me to catch me range so I can meld it
mild thunder
yep, that's exactly how every mage matchup goes
summer tiger
if your bolt isn't getting melded ranged, and you have decent uptime on a mage idk how your matchups go, that's some weird shit
like mage has every single button in the game vs melee rn, you fucking love facing melees it's great
green anchor
ngl I struggle a lot vs frost mages
they do die quickly tho
IF you can stick to them somehow
summer tiger
if you connect they're dead in a few globals if no cd is used yeah
mild thunder
zzz why are we talking about rogue anyway
this is a 
discord
all my homies hate rogue
topaz tulip
Demo is fucking annoying. Too many pets. Fuck off. Aff you can play around. Destro is just fucking stupid. Let a fucker stand still for 10 seconds and caught 5 chaos bolts. Why is that even possible? Old crit based fire mage couldn't do that stupid shit
summer tiger
you just sit on him all game, unless you're versus wizards
then it's just kinda unlucky
topaz tulip
@grand scaffold Did what you said about changing rotation. Definitely feels better but unless I can get them sub 30% by the time I'm done with sb ms I can't seem to get a kill out of it. Do you try to force healer trink in the opener yourself, or do you just wait a bit to build a bit of dam before you dive on them?
Normally I let the other team mates handle the early trink fishing
grand scaffold
<@668086812140371978> Did what you said about changing rotation. Definitely feel...
i just run in on my mount
piercing howl
then do the burst sequence i told you about
topaz tulip
The fact that this works for you consistently makes me so sad
topaz tulip
Aight last question, do you run haste on the all of 3 items you can change, or do you run crit?
grand scaffold
nope
i dont run haste
i run crit
and the pieces that cant have crit
i pick haste
10% haste rest crit is nice
topaz tulip
hmm
I shifted wrist/belt/cloak to haste. Feels a bit smoother, sacrifices 3% crit for 6% haste. Just dunno if it's worth
lean burrow
<@668086812140371978> Did what you said about changing rotation. Definitely feel...
You have a go every 30 sec with stun+cs
topaz tulip
Or well, i guess 3% haste. I had 13 before
lean burrow
Stun on kill target + cs + spear avatar sharpen ms
It won't be a kill in first go but you will get trinkets and cds
If your team got stuns throw your storm bolt on healer every go
topaz tulip
And then just fish the rest of the dam with cs/sks when they come back. Fair. Guess I'm just not used to games lasting more than one or two burst phases
lean burrow
Leap + fear healer if you don't need it for peels
topaz tulip
gotcha
topaz tulip
You really love the ms build still huh?
topaz tulip
@mild thunder I'll read through your review in the morning, I'mma catch some z's
mild thunder
nws
quiet pendant
Anihilator build still the way to go for fury?
compact oak
The way I see it is that Grounding eating even one spell from anyone targeting anyone on your team is worth timing it to catch that spell already. If it doesn't get destroyed ASAP after that one spell it swallowed, then Grounding is effectively a 3 sec spell immunity on the team and the stonks go through the roof.
Same with Tremor. Instant long range fear break on the whole party. If it's pre-dropped, it's super strong. If it is not killed immediately, that's an insane 10 sec fear immunity.
I haven't tested how Grounding and Tremor work when they're Projected behind the pillar.
So yeah, sounds good to me even if they're destroyed quickly. If they are, it takes a GCD away from most classes, making the action of spending a GCD to drop them equal in terms of value generated between the teams. 🙉
Lasso base damage on Enh is equal to about 1/3rd of max HP currently
30k DPS
Greater Purge is two GCDs for the price of one. Spending 3 GCDs on something with normal Purge means something's probably gone wrong to begin with. Or is Purge worth spamming that much more?
warped warren
fickle forge
bleed build is cool and fun
Never ever will I relive BFA
mild thunder
at least it gives us extra stuff to do besides op/ms
plus, i get to roleplay having actual dragon roar back
mild thunder
you should just run storm of swords as a filler at that rate
compact oak
Can Disarm stop DbtS or does Disarm just get wasted against 100% parry (or Evasion in the case of Rogue)?
mild thunder
it can work i reckon
compact oak
Also, is it possible to disable the 100% parry with a stun like it is with Evasion?
fickle forge
Can Disarm stop DbtS or does Disarm just get wasted against 100% parry (or Evasi...
If you get disarmed, you won't parry, but you can parry the disarm attack
You need a weapon to parry stuff
compact oak
so a disarm ability like Warrior's and Rogue's is not going to work during DbtS? But something like Balance Druid's disarm will work and stop DbtS from parrying?
fickle forge
All disarms work, you only parry attacks from the front, so if a warr or a rogue gets behind you and hit disarm, you lose your weapon and the parry chance
spice hornet
The real Chad rotation is this
Lol
I’d be so mad if some monkey warr crot me like that
fickle forge
mild thunder
thick reef
Can Disarm stop DbtS or does Disarm just get wasted against 100% parry (or Evasi...
You have to Disarm before they pop Die by the Meme
You can Stun > Disarm though
lethal sandal
is there anything i can do as fury against arms? i get an arms in every solo shuffle round and feel like i lose against them and lose when i am with them. basically a 1-5 or 0-6 round every time. i dropped from 1750+ to 1400 since the damn arms buffs and the rise of arms
muted surge
If you think that a spec makes you go 0-6 you need to reflect upon yourself and stop blaming others
wild heath
You should try arms
It is really a fun spec
What do you guys prefer in solo shuffle? Thunderous roar spec or Spear? mainly for 1.8k-2k rating
as arms
wild heath
@muted surge yeah I found using Piercing Howl before Spear prevents any chance to miss
leaden fern
Can anyone explain the bleed burst rotation to me? I’m about to pick up the class/spec to do TSG with my two mates and need to learn the rotation properly.
muted surge
No
boreal veldt
What do you guys prefer in solo shuffle? Thunderous roar spec or Spear? mainly f...
I like roar in solo, especially in 1.8-2, unless it's a rogue or mage, i'll switch to spear for a round
cinder thorn
For 1v1 go rogue
sharp meteor
i mean realistically no but if you catch somebody off it's usually fine
queen shoal
how does a pvper get primal infusion to make the pvp gear
sharp meteor
the ilev doesn't matter for helm/boots tho as they scale in pvp
its for stuff like lariat or the ring
queen shoal
so helm is the choice for infurious?
slender lion
wtf is with DH's atm
noble moat
What about em
slender lion
their dps is insane
weve played couple games against them and they absolutely slap
silly hard
slender lion
what u mean bugged?
sharp meteor
i mean its not real dmg
slender lion
yeah i know tht
sharp meteor
when u throw glaive at fodder it kills it
slender lion
they insta clap my lock friend lol
sharp meteor
and it registers for like 500-1000k hit
u gotta respond to essence break and/or hunt
slender lion
how do you "respond" do it?
yeah i checked my death, essence break was like, the end opf me on one
the hunt on another
crisp jewel
Can you dispell the heal on The Hunt
sharp meteor
how do you "respond" do it?
idk use something
can reflect hunt dot
can parry the hunt initial hit
it'll be essence break into 100k+ death sweep
disarm, bolt/kite on essence break window if not stunned, etc
sharp meteor
Can you dispell the heal on The Hunt
no it's not classified as anything or maybe it's physical despite dealing magic dmg
can ground/reflect it or peaceweave
crisp jewel
Didn't know you could reflect the dot...that's helpful
I always end up using SR early on and for any cc/traps. I hold it for chaos bolt, glacier spike, stormkeeper too
sharp meteor
spell reflect also gives u 20% magic wall
so even if u don't get reflect it reduces dmg of the hit/dot
sharp meteor
I always end up using SR early on and for any cc/traps. I hold it for chaos bolt...
holding it forever not ideal
slender lion
idk use something
This line is insanely helpful. Thanks
sharp meteor
i mean arena is just cd trading
if i warbreaker spear avatar spin on somebody they will die
thick reef
@sharp meteor since spear is physical dam now, there's no point in using SR on spear right?
sharp meteor
if i hunt essence break death sweep somebody who sits there then they die
civic raft
Hey, quick question, does pvp gear go to pvp ilvl when you engage in pvp on open world or just in pvp instances?
sharp meteor
<@129440991294783488> since spear is physical dam now, there's no point in usin...
don't think so
i think you can dodge it with parry tho
thick reef
yea i think so
sharp meteor
as unreliable as that is unless cracked reflexes
sharp meteor
if you parry/evasion before it lands then it doesn't pin I THINK
thick reef
i dont even thin
sharp meteor
Hey, quick question, does pvp gear go to pvp ilvl when you engage in pvp on open...
yeah
thick reef
the dot goes through
sharp meteor
need pvp combat for pvp ilev
sharp meteor
if you attack somebody mining then ur pvp gear turns on and stays on for a while
thick reef
so its like missing it
civic raft
if you attack somebody mining then ur pvp gear turns on and stays on for a while
I see, thanks!
crisp jewel
holding it forever not ideal
I don't hold it long. I used to damn near use it on cd but I got a lot better at using it for goes, waiting for cc and reflect then use my cc chain and burst
sharp meteor
ya that's good
crisp jewel
if you attack somebody mining then ur pvp gear turns on and stays on for a while
Lol that's cool
sharp meteor
requires pvp combat tho so 350 pve ilev is still just that until you hit somebody
if conq gear was 424 without pvp in wm then pve players would be in shambles over it being bis for world content or something
compact oak
You can Stun > Disarm though
But not all stuns work from the front against dodge and parry? E.g. Kidney is a melee attack so it wouldn't work from the front? I'm sure HoJ would work because is magic, but would Stormbolt work? Is SB physical?
thick reef
You can Storm Bolt through Die by the Meme
fickle forge
😎 👍
sharp meteor
But not all stuns work from the front against dodge and parry? E.g. Kidney is a ...
step kidney
cheap also works
sharp meteor
ya but 99% will just burn a step to land it
compact oak
dammit, Storm Bolt cannot be used while shapeshifted 😦
sharp meteor
ya imma burn my big cd and hope that the rogue just throws kidney into it
totally won't result in my healer throwing something at my head
fickle forge
At least something like assassa rogue is predictable af when they'll Kidney
sharp meteor
i mean storm or banner less of a risk
to throw out as you're off dr
and/or cc lands on healer
fickle forge
Okay, but say your next move in the script is to throw parry
There are definitely signs then that'll tell you when assassa is about to do a go
sharp meteor
so if they commit nothing and it only serves to delay kidney a few seconds
or realistically the rogue just steps
kind of iffy
fickle forge
But you don't delay it a few sec if you parry it though
sharp meteor
i mean if you pre-parry they can either send into that
or wait a few seconds until it falls off
sharp meteor
pre-parrying a kidney with potentially nothing behind it unless bomb and deathmark both off the table kind of sus
fickle forge
That wasn't what I said though
sharp meteor
actually even catching the kidney isn't reliable
willow nymph
im brand spanking new to arms and honestly pvp
whichtalent builds would you guys reccomend for me to get started
in ref to the 3 pinned builds
sharp meteor
roar no skullsplitter
willow nymph
TY
dapper cypress
should i take roar instead of spear against disc?
they will always use bubble on spear
sharp meteor
ya dome kind of eats spear
compact oak
what makes bleed builds and roar do worthwhile damage with the bleeds themselves and the roar? I haven't tried them fully but the attack power % on the tooltips are really low 🤔
sharp meteor
alternatives kind of doo
spear has too much counterplay
i mean you get most important ms/op stuff as "bleed build"
compact oak
thought spear was the absolute meta and reason why Arms is so good now
compact oak
is spear superior in solo?
azure geyser
in 3v3 you wanna go for the affli lock or destro lock? or evoker healer?
sharp meteor
is spear superior in solo?
depends on matchup
like what does spearing a dk do
or a warlock
also it just gets domed cos every game is disc
or worse they just grip the bolted target as you spear if they aren't covered
green anchor
is spear superior in solo?
I'd say at <1300 rating it is the better choice
people don't know how to counter it
compact oak
or worse they just grip the bolted target as you spear if they aren't covered
does grip pull out of spear?
sharp meteor
no but if you bolt somebody and there's a priest out cc they can grip them before or as you spear
just roar on 2-3 people every 60 or 90 seconds is a lot of easy value
frank knoll
Leveling my BM hunter after reading about the buffs 
frank knoll
also it just gets domed cos every game is disc
Yeah this is why a lot of times I find myself using it for utility reasons. Like to help peel than a damage go
blissful dragon
Hey y'all! I have a few questions.. I am going to play Arms, just hit 70. I will be playing 2's with a disc priest, Solo Shuffle, and yolo (maybe more organized once I get comfortable) RBG's. I was thinking of going with the bleed build.. Is that best for all of the above situations? Are there any changes coming up that would deter me from playing that build? And lastly, I cannot seem to find a definitive answer on what is the best stat. I know Vers, but the which is next? I am thinking Haste with a little Crit sprinkled in.. Or I keep Crit and Haste even?? Mastery seems decent too. Any help would be very appreciated! Thank you!
covert peak
sharp meteor
depends on matchup
spear feels nice into mage/hunter for instance
can realistically just play roar into almost everything tho
spark oyster
Do y’all like to use sweep strikes every time it’s off CD if you have a second target to hit? Or save it for very specific circumstances? I’m curious if I should consider it in my go’s more often than I do.
dark sparrow
If you have it up before a go, always use it if there’s more than one target there. If it’s a vs a caster cleave that max range triangle eachother and there are no pets, it’s a wasted global
*use it on your go
dark sparrow
can realistically just play roar into almost everything tho
Only thing I find strange with roar/not checked how to play it correctly is the desync it has with Avatar/BS
sharp meteor
ya i just play short roar and send it roughly off cd with whatever i can if it kind of aligns
at the very least have sharpen
and it's a decent time
dark sparrow
Yea I think I’m holding it for way to long tbh. First go is wb>ava>roar after bs proc into ms with ss and sharpen before wb right?
spark oyster
Thanks for the thoughts...makes sense.
Second question referencing the SKS build, it seems like "bloodletting" talent is strong for it, or is it not? If so; what should I drop in favor of it?
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willow nymph
Better to use slam if i cant spend any rage or just ignore pain
grand scaffold
rend
willow nymph
even with dot up?
grand scaffold
yeah basically
grand scaffold
green anchor
you need a certain ilvl before you can step into rated
willow nymph
i have 343 crafted pvp gear rn
green anchor
that one goes to 411 I think
willow nymph
398
willow nymph
shuffle ill get spanked?
green anchor
not really but you need like 408 PvP iLvl to be eligible
sharp meteor
worth farming honor gear before rated ?
u can't even q for shuff until 408
will also get eaten in 2s or 3s so ya
398 crafted for bgs if it's cheap
bgs for 411ish ilev
willow nymph
So random bgs for honor
or arena skirms
bgs i win atleast i feel like skirms im getting smoked
sharp meteor
u just throw conq piece in converter
willow nymph
yeah but do i need rating for upgrading
sharp meteor
yes
willow nymph
i can acheive higher M+ score than pvp rating
sharp meteor
but the upgrades only work in pve
willow nymph
right
sharp meteor
if i convert shoulders on my 0 rated warr they're 380 or w/e in pve then 424 pvp
if i do the same on my 2400 warr it'll be 408 pve and 424 pvp
spark oyster
also can do wpvp and get drakebreakers and upgrade a couple pieces with the weekly
i went with belt/wrist for that
willow nymph
go the wep
yeah i get the pvp ilvl but i pve as well and id get higher pve upgrade from M+ score
ill never hit 2400
lariat still good in pvp?
crystal tulip
willow nymph
solo shuffle?
dark sparrow
Only 24min, sheesh not to bad
willow nymph
that sucks
sharp meteor
mmm just had 3 <5ish minute queues on alt
sharp meteor
ill never hit 2400
idk this is a pretty chill season and bracket to get it in
willow nymph
ill give it my best shot
sharp meteor
sharp meteor
ya this season kind of horrific to push 3s in without exp
shuffle is 90% just doing pve dmg to the most vulnerable thing you can reach
while not feeding cds/positioning too hard
little gust
which class is hardest to beat in 1v1 for you guys
sharp meteor
idk i have never given 1v1s any thought
probs can't do anything vs rogue or feral with hands
mild thunder
which class is hardest to beat in 1v1 for you guys
Why so many questions about 1v1s lately? Warrior is always bad in solo PvP
sharp meteor
idk u can brute force a lot of bad people with cds in casual/world pvp
but yeah in general not ideal to look for 1v1s
i don't wanna be wasting avatar/roar/storm on a 1v1 when i could blow up 5 people with it
cerulean pecan
which class is hardest to beat in 1v1 for you guys
rogues. trying the bleed build today for the first time and see how tht goes
spark oyster
i am too. getting a bit more comfortable with it then ill try some solo shuffle
im terrible with the spear build lol
queen shoal
are the first two ques of Solo shuffle per day the fastest ques?
after that its dead
so bladestorm is pretty good single target with unhinged right
elfin sphinx
Hey guys, I'm looking to start pvp as an Arms warrior, does anyone know where I can find some info on it like basic rotation, burst rotation etc?
rotund trellis
icy veins
elfin sphinx
Ah brill, is that one still good to use if I'm using a Roar build?
compact token
Best warrior spec if you have dandruff?
mild thunder
Best warrior spec if you have dandruff?
warrior players are all bald, sorry
wheat jay
Not all
But those with hair dont have dandruff
Go roll rogue or dh
They accept all kind of people
rotund trellis
solo shuffle wins are 99% convincing peolpe not to target you
I got to this conclusion
rotund trellis
bash my mom you meant
but yeah it's very true, this lock won like that
convincing people he wasn't a theat
and I mean he was doing good damage, but still
rotund trellis
I mean ur mam is my wife, so
wheat jay
You can call him daddy
rotund trellis
that's ok, not the fist time
topaz tulip
warrior players are all bald, sorry
facts
topaz tulip
My charge/int macro keeps finding random ways to break itself. How do I get it to only show the tooltip for charge? It's been stuck on intervene for a couple days now. This is what I'm using:
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead] Intervene; Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead] Charge; Charge
Don't know the syntax 😅
mild thunder
best idea
dont use that macro
have two intervene macros
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@mouseover, exists] Intervene
/cast [@party1] Intervene
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@party2] Intervene
topaz tulip
I have a party1/party2 macro, it's just easier for me right now when I can see someone's health low to just mouseover them sometimes instead of trying to figure out which one it is
for like double druid or double priest rounds
rotund trellis
is party 1 and part 2 a value we set eveytime or just 2nd and 3rd member of the instance?
fickle forge
Randomized by raid sorter
mild thunder
you can use an addon called SortGroup
fickle forge
Party leader is always party1
topaz tulip
is party 1 and part 2 a value we set eveytime or just 2nd and 3rd member of the ...
Someone recommended dynamicMacros to me, which lets you set an auto updating target for each. One auto healer, one auto dps
Just fills in their name the second you enter a party with 2 or 3 people
topaz tulip
you can use an addon called SortGroup
Ms/spear rotation goes op > ms > cs >av > sb ms > bs?
mild thunder
depends on how many targets you're hitting
queen shoal
so you just swap out of unhinged vs bm hunter or wha
rotund trellis
another 0-12 today lets go
I tanked 600 points only tho, trying to get to 0 and delete the char hah
mystic barn
another?
Oof wyd man
I think my worst day related to videogames was going like 0-12 in ranked in league from tilt queueing lmao
play 2-3 games, chill have fun, randomly anger queue 12 games in a day and lose all
U said u were gonna record and post right
mild thunder
I think my worst day related to videogames was going like 0-12 in ranked in leag...
i had a 10 loss streak in 3s this week
mystic barn
eh that’s w.e, mmr fluctuates super fast in wow and 10 loss streak could be less than an hour of time wasted haha
mild thunder
yea we climbed back to a positive w/l for the day
mystic barn
I got turbo fucked coming off of 32-1 in league and got slammed into smurf q
Nice
Feels like that happens a lot with pendulum effect
everything goes great, win 8 in a row, lose one, healer tilts and malds then lose another 7 in a row is classic
Everyone logs off depressed going to cvs next day for our pills
rotund trellis
0-18 now
mystic barn
he wants the 0 cr
u should really just upload ur gameplay
so u get roasted but learn from it a bit
rotund trellis
I'm trying to ge to 0 but it slows down as I lose ranks
mystic barn
gotta lose more
Why not just auto leave each match?
-150 cr mmr and also seems like u get matches very fast lol
rotund trellis
but then I have to wait to re-que
rotund trellis
yep exactly
and yeah people are insulting me so bad via chat
I got death wishes, comments on my life (how empty is it) etc.
mystic barn
I found that with lots of variety in my life, ended up not caring about winning it losing
rotund trellis
and btw in fury is not COMPLETELY useless. its rage gen is poor, but interesting
mystic barn
or
rotund trellis
it has a small part in the rotation when ramping up rage
rotund trellis
I found that with lots of variety in my life, ended up not caring about winning ...
that's great! On my end I'm a huge loser in life
mystic barn
well with that attitude it’s inevitable
just hit gym every day and drift car out a hellcat swapped Miata
and play wow on the side
guarantee when you aren’t hyper focused on the game you will play better
topaz tulip
and btw in fury is not COMPLETELY useless. its rage gen is poor, but interesting
Its rage gen is poor? are you not doing onslaught?
rotund trellis
I should go to the gym more, but generally yeah I haven't even gotten my college degree. I'm stupid lol
I have a well paid job, a nice house, i travel the world for work, yet i complain about everything, lie to people, complain all the time
rotund trellis
Its rage gen is poor? are you not doing onslaught?
no, shall I?
I mean I play fury for funsies
so I didn't dig too deep into the build
I got a good one from ndogo
feels good when rage ramps up, slow at the beginning, but effective and with lots of sust damage
topaz tulip
It's really easy to not be a loser in life. It starts by not giving a shit about people's opinions and doing what you know is right. Then, you figure out what your priorities are. What do you actually want? Not what other people want from you - what YOU want. And at the end of it all, go find someone who is comparatively like-minded, someone who you're willing to compromise with when you wouldn't for anyone else. Be happy with that person. GG, life well played
gimmie a sec
Can always swap onslaught back to annihilator
rotund trellis
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DAPFVVUVFERUBQpBQRCQQPVVFRUZEAV...
no annihilator build? weird!
mystic barn
guy listed a lot of w’s that people don’t have (house, good paying job w/ no degree, travel)
I work in banker corpo land with no degree
degrees aren’t needed for most jobs
topaz tulip
I sold my house cause I had to move during covid and I'm in literal pain
mystic barn
Also any reason why fury? Just like it more?
It doesn’t perform as well as arms in shuffle since a lot of its defense gets ruined by damp
topaz tulip
Also any reason why fury? Just like it more?
If I could have the success I've had on arms by continuing to just play fury, I would, easily. I haven't gotten much farther, but it was considerably easier to do so than it is on arms. And yeah, damp sort of ruins everything, but also blizz nerfing the fuck out of it's healing every time I look doesn't help either
mild thunder
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DAPFVVUVFERUBQpBQRCQQPVVFRUZEAV...
wtf is this
rotund trellis
just for taking a break from arms after my 0-12 streak from yesterday.
but yeah arms is much better
topaz tulip
wtf is this
He said's having rage problems, so I said swap the annihilator talents for onslaught
mild thunder
degrees aren’t needed for most jobs
degrees are great if you want to pursue a specific, specialised career but yea they're not a measure of value or remotely necessary for a lot of jobs
mild thunder
i've managed to be a corporate soul-sucker with no degree
tawny brook
Grade school and universities are demoralization centers
rotund trellis
degrees are great if you want to pursue a specific, specialised career but yea t...
I wanted to be an architect, but got mental health issues during first year of college, had to drop, I was literally freezing still in class. lol But yeah i feel like a loser for that mainly. Now I;m 42 and live as an immigrant in the us, so getting a degree is useless
mystic barn
oh boy can’t wait to go into debt and rng whether or not I get a job in that field ( that pays enough too )
u def should play some arms game and upload gameplay tho
so you get some pointers
topaz tulip
i've managed to be a corporate soul-sucker with no degree <:okayge:9176468125197...
Welp. I played the build like shit and still went 5/1 twice in a row. Idk how I feel about this
mild thunder
Welp. I played the build like shit and still went 5/1 twice in a row. Idk how I ...
the build is just bad
you're just a god
but the build is horrible lol, where'd you get it?
idek what build you're going for
topaz tulip
the build is just bad
Oh no, I was talking about ms
mild thunder
you have all bt talents but no anni, so you've got raging blow just sitting there doing nothing all game
ohhhh
yea ms build good
that fury build you showed
oh boy
topaz tulip
as for the fury one, I think I copied dogo's, but for sake of rage gen on permakite fights I sometimes use onslaught
mystic barn
🫠
topaz tulip
you have all bt talents but no anni, so you've got raging blow just sitting ther...
Ahh I didn't even realize I didn't change over the rb talents, one sec
mild thunder
onslaught is also just
bad
does swampass dmg for the anni builkd
it's only good for rb because you can build up slaughter strikes stacks quickly
topaz tulip
I don't disagaree with you, but also if you're kited so hard you can't keep up enrage or frenzy, it's a tool to help for those small moments when you can.
I use the annihilator build normally and don't have that problem, but also I hate annihilator. Just more survivability since you've got all the bt talents
topaz tulip
does swampass dmg for the anni builkd
The two points in de go to wrath/fury and irb. It basically plays the same except you use rb for filler instead of ww, which should net you higher st and higher rage gen but less aoe
crisp jewel
Its rage gen is poor? are you not doing onslaught?
OS, RA,ROAR, OF , never rage starved
topaz tulip
Exactly
crisp jewel
Rampage/OS/rampage is a beast
It's like a shitty DH lol, lotta fun though
Probably trying fury w arms gear will feel slow and crappy. Needs lots of haste. I also use double frozen devotion or one frozen on haste enchant. Its close to 30% haste w full pvp haste gear
If you can't rampage constantly and cleave your ramps then it's no bueno
topaz tulip
Fair enough. Just feel like at that point I'm taking the pve build less ravager lol
crisp jewel
Pretty much lol
Blood rage is also great, between that and spell reflect it's a lot of pressure. I wish it was better though. I love how fury feels.
The BFA nerf to bloodthirst and the nerf to heal debuff kinda killed the idea of fury being decent
Or the end of BFA I can't remember, BT used to be 5% heal tho
topaz tulip
and Idk, 16% haste isn't terrible. the bonus from frenzy really helps keep everything flowing like normal. There are only 3 pieces of gear you can sub anyway, besides weapons
crisp jewel
I've got 3 PvE tier pieces and a haste/mast OH and lariat w haste , probably why mine is higher. I havnt had the charges to swap all the tier yet. They are 418 tho so not awful
topaz tulip
Or the end of BFA I can't remember, BT used to be 5% heal tho
I think it used to be 8%, but it's hard to keep track with all the times they've buffed it and changed the healing in pvp
crisp jewel
Oh wow
I can't remember that but I have a dogshit memory and I've played off and on since wow came out. Skipped a few xpacs too
topaz tulip
I think it was 8% pve, 5% pvp, then they dropped it to 5/3, and now it's 3/1. I think it's kind of balanaced out because they increased it's damage most of the time before dumping on it's healing, so you should still come out on top, but probably not.
It also used to reduce healing so you didn't need slaughtering strikes
crisp jewel
I just think if fury gonna go the route of self healing instead of Ignore pain, evasions, parry, any real defensives at all lol, then they should let them have some healing. Enraged regen is great, but I feel like if BT was a tad stronger in healing, it could help. I dunno. Impending is great as well, but arms has everything where fury gets nadda.
torpid roost
I'd give it a stacking heal over time buff
crisp jewel
It also used to reduce healing so you didn't need slaughtering strikes
Yeah I thought it did, wasn't sure
torpid roost
Uptime is anger is healing, because angry = cannot die (see: Kratos, Asura, Doomguy, Khorne, etc)
crisp jewel
They also gutted the enraged dmg reduction from 10% to %5. It's like they slowly taking anything viable away making it a dogshit unplayable pvp spec again
The whole idea of fury is pressure, and arms is more tactical and skilled
torpid roost
Counterplay is a priest sits him down and has a therapy session with him, of they resolve his anger issues, he dies, if the warrior finds out the priest is sleeping with his son, warrior becomes immortal
crisp jewel
Lmao
torpid roost
Arms is less tactical and skilled, more flat out burst now
I miss mechanics like Unrelenting Assault
crisp jewel
Anyways, back to Last of us binge session. Later y'all !
torpid roost
The version of it that cut spell power by half, that is
Cheers mate
Maybe bring back SP cutting UA, or, new skill, hear me out, Press The Advantage, (x)% attack power boost for 12 seconds on successful interrupt or disarm
Make arms a tactician again, rather than an ape with a spear
queen shoal
i am not an ape with a spear
onyx valve
I feel like most apes would play roar
queen shoal
i play roar
man q doesnt even pop for solon shuffle game dead might try overwatch
omg q pops - instant leaver - brother
willow nymph
How do you get glad?
quick carbon
omg q pops - instant leaver - brother
havent gotten a leaver in fforever
topaz tulip
Man I love caster lobbies. I also love that this was while sr was active. I love even more that I got hit for 60k in the previous global
high star
only leaver besides people raging ive seen yet has been me
accidently /afk after someone dies because i think its a skirm ive been queing for the 40 min between ss pops
lol
willow nymph
What’s the req
topaz tulip
50 wins at 2.4k
queen shoal
i had a ret pally crit me for 157k what is that
ebon steeple
Anyone have any tips how to deal with bm hunters? Only hunter spec that's given me trouble right now
queen shoal
bm hunters are getting big buffs
topaz tulip
bm hunters are getting big buffs
wait fr?
topaz tulip
i had a ret pally crit me for 157k what is that
Lights hammer smiting you, you godless heathen
ebon steeple
bm hunters are getting big buffs
WHAT
queen shoal
yea on mmo champion theres changes
ebon steeple
Damn alright
thick reef
How do you get glad?
play games and improve
queen shoal
oh its only the bow
?
topaz tulip
No, the bow was increasing pet aa speed, which was a massive dps gain and was sort of segregating hunters, because you were automatically underperforming if you didn't have the bow
because of that, they're increasing most of their other damage to counteract the loss from removing that effect the bow (because it was an unintentional side effect anyway)
But it's kind of wild. Almost every ability is getting a 25% increase
topaz tulip
*disclaimer. I said every ability, but I mean rotationals for bm specifically. mm got a buff on arcane shot, multishot, and chimaera shot, which bm didn't. Not that they matter much.
topaz tulip
meta of hunters incoming
And magically, this comes out while I'm leveling mine. It's almost like blizz is giving me a sign
tropic siren
for catalyst, can I only change 6 pieces of gear total?
torpid roost
as many as you like
but it's been 6 weeks
so
6 charges are available/can be stored
mild thunder
no, it's capped at 6 pieces
worn yoke
Warrior bros, I need some advice
I’m floating around 1800 in solo shuffle and I will often find myself queuing into tough war lobbies like destro ele boomy
And I’m having a hard time figuring out how aggressive to be. If I go all in, healers can’t keep me up and I die. If I ping pong to line all game I do no damage
Maybe I just have to bang my head against it until I figure out the balance, but if you have pro tips I’m all ears
lean burrow
i don't think there's much to be done in caster lobbies
just stun+burst then avoiding damage every 30 sec
mild thunder
what's your name
simple rock
Exploring
mild thunder
ehhhh
simple rock
goteem
crisp jewel
Warrior bros, I need some advice
I always train the lock hard and shut them down. Leap in immediately and stop their setup. I like roar and odyns to dot up all 3 enemies. Boomy is a bit harder but same idea. Ele isn't much of an issue either but mages give me a problem. Focus macro intervene on your healer and save leap/intervene to quickly los big goes to help save cds. Spell reflect for chaos bolts, shadowfury, poly, hex etc. Rebound actually helps against casters for me. I've reflected some nasty dots and bolts back at locks.
crisp jewel
im tryna see how high i can get in ss as smf
Frozen actually procs a ton
crisp jewel
leaping into casters
Not always, sometimes its better to keep them from getting setup though. Lock gates, totems etc. Solo shuffle is just wild.
mild thunder
leaping into casters
crisp jewel
r u supposed to double frozen
No clue, but it seems to proc a ton with fury, I like it..sophic don't ever proc for me
Tested double sophic quite a bit on dummy and I would go 2-3min w no procs. I'm not sure why
unique fox
Any TSG enjoyers? Tried it out and felt like god mode but curious to see what people have to say about it at higher ratings
mild thunder
Any TSG enjoyers? Tried it out and felt like god mode but curious to see what pe...
it's a fine comp, but far from the best
not even better than a lot of melee cleaves tbh
unique fox
We're playing with disc and the damage seems quite insane
mild thunder
yea the damage will be okay, but it's very immobile, dk cant swap targets very easily and it's pretty squishy
unique fox
It certainly doesnt seem like a thinking mans comp
mild thunder
no melee cleave is lol
quick carbon
tsg sucks
mild thunder
i legit think tsg would probably be better with a fdk
quick carbon
tsg is just
dookie
dh war or kitty prob best cleave for war
but if ur not qing
war destro
or war sp
ur trolling
mild thunder
i am trolling
ret/warr will probably be very good again depending on where ret ends up in .0.7
mild thunder
if ret ends up being a semi-ranged spec like it is rn
i genuinely think cupid > ret/warr
you'll just have a ret and bm hunter fighting at ranged being super annoying and hard to kill
sage raptor
Me
quick carbon
im qing ret war
mild thunder
me
unique fox
I also thought war sp would be crazy, just havent found one to play with yet. Would you say its better with disc or evoker? Those are my options.
I've tried kitty cleave but it felt like shit, but also havent q'd with any feral mains
mild thunder
doubling up on any class is pretty much never ideal
best healer for arms/sp is an rdru, but if you don't have that option, prevo will work pre well
unique fox
With the changes next patch he might do hpal, i could see that being good
cerulean pecan
Hpal not looking for even after reworks
quick carbon
bro im trying the smf
challenge
in rss
its so dogshit
actual worst spec in the game
mild thunder
Hpal not looking for even after reworks
kinda hard for hpala to ever be good in a priest meta
unique fox
yeah true