pvp

[mild thunder]

only annoying thing about demo is my feral forgetting to take decurse so i cant crit all game

[hushed plank]

Demo lock is bait go other person CC tyrant and GG

[torpid roost]

I've been straight mollywhopped by demo toe to toe, no jukes, no CC

[thick reef]

i play Bitter Immunity for that sole reason

[sharp meteor]

did wa work

[thick reef]

to get off my amp weakness

[sharp meteor]

ya bitter can rip off the important weakness

so u get a good clean go

[mild thunder]

ya i run BI into locks now, is nice enough

[mild thunder]

he had to tweak the wa a bit, but i think it's working now!

[sharp meteor]

excellent

[torpid roost]

Is it still malfunctioning in Elysian arena

Lol

[mild thunder]

dark iron is good for it too

[crisp jewel]

BI+dwarf

[mild thunder]

but DI is ugly, so...

[torpid roost]

I desperately want to be a dork iron drawf

[thick reef]

i'm a night elf

[crisp jewel]

Best race

[mild thunder]

just meld the amped curse kekW

[torpid roost]

Shadowmeld is great at high level play though

[crisp jewel]

Too bad I went horde last xpac, I'm probably going back soon. Miss the beard!

[mild thunder]

i've had a disarm get melded by a really good warr... stood me up fr fr

[thick reef]

meld would be best racial if assa wasn't in the game

if not best at least most fun

[mild thunder]

i'll reroll nelf if they bring back old male nelf model

new one is goofy

[sharp meteor]

ya dodging stuff with meld is fun

better than passively reducing stuns as greenboi

[thick reef]

fuck orcs man

been an orc for 3 expansions

cba

[sharp meteor]

ya

[mild thunder]

but they're big and green and muscly

shrek cosplay

[hazy isle]

much rather be orc than dward

dwarf

or human

[mystic prairie]

as a starter, do I just grind honor to buy honor gear?

[mild thunder]

human looks cool, but the racial feels meh into anything but rogue

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, but by the patch they'll have likely made them not work in pvp.

[mild thunder]

bloody hope so, bm dmg is already annoying

[frank knoll]

Think I’m gonna run the onslaught crushing blow build

[tepid hearth]

All these hunter buffs

[copper hare]

you never know with blizzard

tuning is like a box of chocolate

[mild thunder]

bm is getting strong in soloQ, that's the only reason pvp tuning may come through

[frank knoll]

I hope not man, is BM still literally a two button spec

[copper hare]

it's not getting strong

it's already busted

[sharp meteor]

ya trying this next

[pale minnow]

yoo April 1 ain't here yet what is this joke?

do these developers even play pvp?

[mild thunder]

no, not really

general tuning is never based on pvp

it's to counterbalance the nerfs to the unique bow from raid, but yea it kinda sucks for pvp

[pale minnow]

idk what to say this is gonna be crazy

[sharp meteor]

These are just proposed changes to hunters in a future patch to offset the bow nerf.

It shouldn't affect pvp. Hopefully.

[mild thunder]

[pale minnow]

those pets do not use bows, this is my message to blizz about it

[thorn herald]

idk velf racial is a lot of fun

[sage raptor]

whats velf racial?

[frank knoll]

I saw grimgrip using it
Tried it out, it cranks

Good for shuffle

[sharp meteor]

just seemed kind of defensively lacking and of course there's the concern that it doesn't offer enough offensively over say arms

[frank knoll]

It’s a “KO as soon as the bell rings” build

Self heals aren’t as good as bloodbath spam

[spark oyster]

Lmk how it works! Interested in trying it out a little bit.

[high star]

i found another one in the wild

who is sitting at this rating giving these people such a hard time

[sharp meteor]

I wonder what their mmr is.

[mild thunder]

throw a shadow in a chosen direction, can teleport to it for 5 sec or something

has some fun outplay potential, but it's a super long CD, pretty short range and doesnt last long

[sharp meteor]

Long CD, doesn't last long, and it's slow so it has to be done super preemtively.

No pushback and the dmg buff are neato, though.

Also half off mog

[mild thunder]

i ran velf monk in SL before ww got the double transcendence port

basically used it like they use the talent

[mild thunder]

it's decent damage (still nothing compared to arms), but yea it's crazy easy to shut down since OF just gets insta disarmed or stunned, and it's pretty damn squishy

[sharp meteor]

ya no ignore pain no parry

just smol heals in mega damp mode

[mild thunder]

and fury's biggest weakness - no sharpen

[sharp meteor]

scuffed ass ms

[mild thunder]

ya

enraged regen just gets disarmed or kited too

[spark oyster]

Regen and bloodbath really suffer after damp starts to set in, assuming you can even use it well enough.

[mild thunder]

same goes for any spec with self-healing as their major dcd

[sharp meteor]

then there's rogues whose defensives aren't affected by damp

[mild thunder]

well yea, eva and dbs good because they're strong all game

[high star]

i feel like this is just shitty game design

i get that its ranked pvp but damn

[mild thunder]

no these aren't real

they cant be

[high star]

why would you even wanna que

dude i just lost a skirm with him

[spark oyster]

Maybe the tinfoil hat is on, but do you think it’s possible these are on purpose? Dude i suck and am super new and slow and I’m at 1300+

[high star]

on my new dk

[spark oyster]

Ohh damn

[mild thunder]

yea i think so

[high star]

possibly they are just gigantic trolls

[mild thunder]

there's no shot someone is that bad

[high star]

but he literally did 3 abilities in the a 30 sec skirm

[sharp meteor]

HAHAHA

[high star]

i couldnt believe it when i saw it

[sharp meteor]

might just be people leaving for the hell of it

see how low they can go

[mild thunder]

it's impossible bro

i swear

[sharp meteor]

or for easy vault

[high star]

i was thinking that too maybe these guys are just toxic af

or ragequitters

but look at that ratio

it feels believable that this guy actually played those out

[sharp meteor]

some people are carryable in other contnet

[mild thunder]

L + ratio

[sharp meteor]

or can exist in bgs and feel useful

[spark oyster]

I feel like purpose losing SS for vault is super slow, better to at least try to win than queue for 20 mins 12 times, yeah?

[sharp meteor]

but in arena ur in a cage with people who wanna kill u

and some people can't offer resistance

[spark oyster]

True someone can sit a flag and it seem safe lol

[high star]

omg wait do you still earn conq even if you go 0-6

[sharp meteor]

no other form of content really locks you in with somebody like arena does

[high star]

or do you just pray that someone on your team carries you to a dub

[sharp meteor]

and i think it hurts participation that it's as brutal as it is

[sharp meteor]

don't think so

has to be 3-3 or better

[mild thunder]

no

[sharp meteor]

also if somebody leaves u get zilch

[high star]

jfc so no way they are playing for vault

[spark oyster]

AFAIK you get 100 honor only if you go 0-6.

[sharp meteor]

uhh u could tank a ton of games initially then smash later games

but yeah i think they're just bad

some guy was losing his shit in bg chat so i inspect out of curiosity and he's like 455 cr with 400 games played

[high star]

oh right vault just says honor earned

ok

[spark oyster]

Yea

[high star]

so then thats what these are

[sharp meteor]

imagine 20 minute queue for 100 honor out of like 5000 for vault

[high star]

i refuse to believe mans is actually playing these games out

[mild thunder]

even still

i dont buy it

it's easier to win than lose at that rating i stg

[spark oyster]

I think it’s a throw. Or someone who like. Physically can’t play well.

[sharp meteor]

some people just like that

or they're like elderly

or can't afford keyboards

[mild thunder]

nah @high star has found too many ppl like this

[high star]

ya bro look at my post history rofl

this one was just by far the worst

[sharp meteor]

which the 30-80 one

[high star]

ye 2 rating bro

how that possible

[sharp meteor]

thats losing a ton then also leaving a lot ya

some people just not built for arena

or anything

[high star]

ok well

i guess im gonna q solo shuffle on this alt once i have ilvl lmao

[mild thunder]

bro you gotta be built w/o hands to play like that

[spark oyster]

Maybe a hot take…onslaught has such a dumb animation. Doesn’t feel very fury like.

[sharp meteor]

u do a tiny hop ya

[high star]

i kinda thought it might be because like

[spark oyster]

More furry less fury, then.

[high star]

at lower rating you playing against people on their alts a lot

[sharp meteor]

owo -crushes you-

[high star]

which would be hard but inting for vault helps me sleep better

[spark oyster]

Lmao

[sharp meteor]

i mean u need 408 ilev to queue

i queue on 410 alt and go 6-0

annoying to get conquest rn

[mild thunder]

408 is enough to get 2k

[high star]

i get ppl in skirms being like

go in bgs noob

and im like bruh u full conq queing skirms wtf

[sharp meteor]

then they like 850 3s

[mild thunder]

yea people that serious queue skirms

are like

[high star]

dont want to deal with that in shuffle

[mild thunder]

bruh why

[sharp meteor]

cos they get btfo in actual queues

unranked/solo content always sweat because it's played by people who say they don't try/care

who seriously sweat it

its cooked

[mild thunder]

so accurate

DUDE WHY ARE YOU GRAVEYARD FARMING AND NOT CAPPING FLAG!?!??!??!?!?!? THIS IS A SERIOUS UNRANKED WSG!!!!!111

[sharp meteor]

it's like they're too small of a fish in ranked so they try to find somebody smaller to shit on in unranked

same thing with twink brackets

[high star]

eots is the worst

[sharp meteor]

u just have bottom of the barrel random bg rejects

[high star]

eots bg chat is like call of duty lobbies in 2008

[mild thunder]

twink players are legit scum of the earth

[sharp meteor]

i thought cata 70s were a cool time just queue into each other all day

outside of that it's just degen city

[mild thunder]

always the worst possible players but with their gemmed + chanted lvl 19 gear so they oneshot you and think they're gods lmao

[spark oyster]

Sometimes I like sitting bases or flags im random bg to just chill. No stress, just chill and kill on defense.

[ebon pivot]

1700 back down to 1490 yey

[mild thunder]

actually the worst SCUM in pvp

[sharp meteor]

u will ascend again

[mild thunder]

are lvl 70s that queue into low lvl brackets

like bro

how much of a loser are you

[ebon pivot]

oh snap, new match, double disc priests

[mild thunder]

double disc in shuffle? shocker

[onyx valve]

Full groups do it all the time

[ebon pivot]

in blades edge too

but yar not shocked haha

[mild thunder]

yep, it's cringe af

[high star]

i remember having a sick ass hunter twink for wsg

when i was like 9

in wrath

lmao

[mild thunder]

"omg bro, im so gud, look at me curbstomp this low lvl with no gear!! omegalul!!"

it was even worse in SL because they'd have their cov abilities

getting speared at lvl 10

[pulsar plank]

any offensive potions for pvp arms

[mild thunder]

pots dont work in pvp

[ebon pivot]

i wish

can you imagine potion of defiance or the saltwater pot in arena

harder slams

[mild thunder]

no thanks

[high star]

ok

low rated ss is hilarious

first game on DH alt

[spark oyster]

Y’all think a WA for enrage is necessary or is it too much clutter? I only ever use it to ensure it’s buffed before a go.

[high star]

u guys were wrong

i had two ppl flaming me after my 2nd ss que lmao

[indigo barn]

If you don't have a good feel on enrage uptime, I would recommend one. I used a bar that was at the roof of my screen, very easy to check W/O it blocking your setup

[copper hare]

havent seen someone use recount since fucking cata 10 years ago lol

[sharp meteor]

goddamn that's a vintage addon

[high star]

ya im kind of a boomer

[jaunty violet]

worth losing some verse to get 2p?

[spark oyster]

Thx for feedback. I did just set one up for it, Ty!

No wonder you guys shit on fury. Slaughterhouse stacks don’t get refreshed by rampage.

[sharp meteor]

Nope. It was a rough nerf.

[spark oyster]

I just realized that.

That’s ass.

[indigo barn]

Any hippie Skada gamers here?

[onyx valve]

I haven’t seen Recount in ages

[tawny brook]

Is arms a grind them down spec like unholy, bm, etc or can it burst pretty well?

[void wigeon]

Why

Just use details like evreyone else you weirdos

[violet fossil]

all about burst

huge

[sage raptor]

AHHHHHHHHH

Die die die die

[violet fossil]

WOW GTFO

[sage raptor]

I HATE YOU

[violet fossil]

I HATE YOU MORE

[sage raptor]

Damn. You got me.

[spark oyster]

I just got my first toxic “you play a fotm spec you piece of shit” whisper from a guys alt. I wasn’t aware fury was a fotm.

I know it’s not new, but I feel that should be an achievement.

[sterile flicker]

laugh at them for not being able to control their emotions n move on

[hollow ore]

shuuuu fury fotm

that's cool

[cerulean pecan]

Anyone got a good bleed build for arms? Currently using the unhinged build

[late nacelle]

Sks

Only build u will ever need

Add hurricane, double dps trinkets, shield swapping, pet taunting, heroic throw weaving for maximal effectiveness

[indigo barn]

[indigo barn]

[green anchor]

first Arms warrior I run into in 300 rounds played

[slender lion]

Every arms I've played is giga trash

It's weird.

One was hilarious and just los'd his healer insta when I dropped him too 20%. Then I chased and clapped

[green anchor]

won 4:2 that game

he was playing spear -> bladestorm 🥱

https://i.imgur.com/SEOTM2F.png

roar gang 💪

[hollow ore]

shouting his lungs out virgin vs giga chad materializing a spear from the netherworld

[rapid shore]

:D

[topaz tulip]

get 4p, not the helm

[slender lion]

I got the recipe for helm yest
Now need spark

[tawny brook]

Im not actually supposed to shield swap and stuff right lol

[sturdy carbon]

The quicker you realise this channel is mostly shitposting the better

[frank knoll]

Still p easy to maintain 12 stacks though

[frank knoll]

There’s discords of them that sell wins in 60-69 for gold, for honor farm reasons

[mystic sage]

what is best TSG healer atm?

[hollow ore]

I run prevoker cuz Hpal feels really underwhelming against any disc comp

( but ngl i'd rather have my mate reroll to disc for PI 🤡 )

[mystic sage]

disc op even for tsg? lmao

[hollow ore]

might not be, I didn't try it yet

but PI with udk/arms sounds nutty

[covert abyss]

I was playing tsg last night and our hpal was getting fucking smoked in every disc match up

[tawny brook]

How is arms survivability

[mortal elm]

i got these whispers from dh players as well

dw

about it

[mortal elm]

if its hpal vs disc

its mostly 0-6 and rest dps are 3-3

[tranquil raven]

I just played 50 games of 2s after a break of a couple of weeks and i faced 41 disc priests, and I have no idea what to do against them. Any tips? We're playing arms rsham

Do you usually try to kill the disc? or swap often?

[mortal elm]

well experienced ppl from here told me that switch to disc when they use link

they will be vulnerable, die or burning all their csd

cds

sharpen them too if you have

[serene kite]

Any memesters try a 1h annihilator build with frozen devotion on both weps? I feel like it could be dece

Fury obvi

[terse cipher]

so, like a true brigand, i went 4-2 in a melee lobby where i was consistently the lowest dps. just focused on cc when the others popped cds, never felt quite safe popping mine.

should i just pop all offensive and all defensives at start, and pray to rnjesus? really no idea what to do in a melee

[serene kite]

Arms?

[terse cipher]

aye

[serene kite]

If you’re not top dps in a full melee lobby as arms, you’re trolling

Cc is for rogues

Fear heals, bolt kill target

Press sweeping

Go in

[terse cipher]

kk

tyvm

[serene kite]

Obviously some situations may warrant the need to use bolt or fear in other ways (like to peel), but that’s the script most of the time

Focus on doing damage and use your cc on CD you’ll easily get 1800

[terse cipher]

i rarely cc healer at start :/ i do try later on

much appreciate the advice

[serene kite]

No problem. A lot of people sweat the more complicated stuff (cc DRs, overlapping, etc) before they even consider doing damage. Doing DPS effectively is priority number 1, then you can start worrying about the more complicated stuff

Also, press ignore pain. That’s your 2nd highest priority rage spender

MS > ignore pain> everything else

[terse cipher]

true...
how risky/wise is it to heroic leap charge fear healer, then charge back to middle into the melee? healers are usually far behind
yeah, i do have ignore pain and impending victory on weakauras, popping when i drop below 95% hp lol

[serene kite]

That’s usually what you’d use leap for

Unless you need to disengage

[terse cipher]

aha

[serene kite]

But typically I’ll leap to heal, fear, then charge bolt in on kill target

[terse cipher]

nice

[serene kite]

You can also save intervene onto your heals to disengage

[terse cipher]

feel like my warr IQ increased in a few minutes lol hehe
nice... i rarely use intervene for saving myself, i should lol

[serene kite]

Intervene is yuge

But highly contextual

It’s great to defend a teammate but it’s also great as an “oh shit” button for you

Do note that if you’re intervening someone defensively, you need to stay near them for it to work

If you intervene then walk away it doesn’t do anything

[terse cipher]

ow... i forget about that 100% of the time >.<

[serene kite]

It’s super helpful if your healer or caster dps is trying to get high impact casts off because it gives them kick immunity while you stay in range

You take the kicks

[terse cipher]

oh wow...

yeah, so i basically know 5% about how to play a war haha

[serene kite]

Warrior is an awesome class because it doesn’t take too much effort to do decently but there’s a lot of room to grow and master

Simple damage rotation with highly contextual utility skills makes for a great combo

Important to note that you can ignore pain while bladestorming; if it’s off cd, just press it. You’ll likely overcap on rage if you don’t

[onyx valve]

Also great for kiting as you can ping pong between your ranged, enemy and leaping

[regal pond]

i find myself using ignore pain on CD... is that okay

obv not when im dpsing but when im in a teamfight and im somewhat taking some form of dmg ill just ignore pain

[rotund trellis]

1790 > 0-6 > fuck me

[frank knoll]

I’m getting some shit lobbys today went ahead and logged

[rotund trellis]

good, Imma do the same soon, snowy here, gonna get cozy and read a book

[rotund trellis]

I actually did another

06

[compact oak]

Why is crit actually desired for Arms? (and only Arms?)

What makes this generally least valued stat so good for Warrior?

[rotund trellis]

tanked 200 points in a morning, I get targeted all the time and I die miserably lol

gonna quit pvp I think, it makes me too angry of a person

also why tf dks are immortal?

[slender lion]

They certainly aint immortal lol

[rotund trellis]

it's like hitting a mattress with a wet noodle

they absorb all damage all the time lol

[compact oak]

DKs are squish to phys dam 👀

[rotund trellis]

they certainly don't feel like squishy when i hit them lol

[short glacier]

They eat the mortal strikes

Dks are my fav class to destroy

[rotund trellis]

well I suck anyway so it wouldnt work

[mortal elm]

no imunity

slow immobile

damnn man

just pve them

omg

my fav thing

their 500k hp dont misguide you

[ebon pivot]

Don't give up, just take a break. Play an alt or another game. I got a taste of about 1700 last night then got blown back to 1490 land. Managed to get back to almost 1550 but now my mmr is all jacked up... So I dipped out before I could screw it up worse lol

[rotund trellis]

played for 3 hours, lost all games, I don't like feeling angry in my chill time

simple as that

[hollow ore]

crit modifiers

we have %crit dmg

and shit

makes it so we hit like fucking madmen on cd rotation

( but you can still do a round and get 0 crit out of 13 ms with 42% crit 🤡 )

[lucid walrus]

lots of talents that work well with it. crit also works well with our rage bonus from auto attack crits

[ebon pivot]

Ah I feel that my dude. I really only get a few hours here and there during the week to play, so it totally sucks getting a lose streak and having it ruin your chill time.

Still though that's why I suggest a different game to break out too. Usually I default to something like D2R or something mindless where the goal is to literally just smash ass and not much else lol

[compact oak]

I found I think 10%+10% crit damage modifiers. Evokers had 15% crit damage and nobody took them even though they depend on bursting occasionally. I'm really surprised just some 20% extra makes it as valuable as the golden stat of Haste which is a must for almost every spec 🤯

is Warrior even a Haste-dependent class? I heard something about most specs being designed not quite well in that they need to focus on haste. WW is a great exception to that apparently.

Everyone's all about getting more globals out faster to CC faster and fit more hits in cross-CC

[lucid walrus]

you can run any combination of stats but mastery kinda just sucks

[hollow ore]

we're still cd reliant, some people go full haste, I run 12% cuz it feels smooth

but missing a kill window cuz you didn't crit is aids

our damage is spiky, crit synergize by essence pretty well with that

but ye as endo highlighted it, there's only three stats

haste, crit, which are even and up to preference

or mastery which scales horrendously

( 300 mastery might be 8% mastery for, say, ret, but 1.2% for arms )

what I mean is that I'd rather maximize my odds to have a mortal strike critting and racking up the benefits of the modifiers

than have more downtime during burst sequence because I'll have to press either rend or slam on bad rng sequences

thus crit sounds king

i've been told haste is pretty nutty with bleed build but i'm sticking to spear/ms

[hollow ore]

also you might've forgotten about the +25% crit dmg on spear

[compact oak]

Why? Bad damage bonus when Deep Wounds is up?

[lucid walrus]

doesn't affect deep wounds damage in itself

[compact oak]

yea sorry didn't finish reading your message, was too eager 😁

[lucid walrus]

just changes the percentage and other stats are probably more efficient about flat damage

[compact oak]

A different question now... I've noticed a bunch of Slam-improving talents. Are those ever picked? When is Slam even used? Is it really rare that MS, OP and Sudden Death are not available and even IP is on CD?

[rotund trellis]

slam sucks

[hollow ore]

slam is used to kill totems

upgrading it to kill totems better sounds like a spec

🤡

[onyx valve]

Maybe if it could be upgraded to revive totem stomp macros

[hollow ore]

kick the totem down, set it back up, then slam

sounds good

[sharp meteor]

Uh, slam is used when there's nothing else up which is awkward because op and ms are always up.

[wide nest]

wat is more worth, having 418 items equipped or 411scaled in pvp instance ones? Till i get 424ones ofc

[sharp meteor]

Probs left as Fury where Mastery is dece

[wide nest]

yeye, just asking in general tho, 418 or 411 with vers gear

[sharp meteor]

Idk I'd probably just play 418

unless maybe it's like a mastery weighted piece as Arms or crit as Fury

[wide nest]

aighty tyvm

[slender lion]

More main stat on higher ilvl stuff. Secondarys wouldn't take prio over mainstat

[dark sparrow]

Yea that’s fine so you keep the shield up and it procs an Overpower

[sharp meteor]

ya

not ideal if u deprive self of rage for a ms or something

but ip roughly off cd is fine/good

[covert peak]

Do any of you have a stance dance macro? who changes the pic aswell for the same keybind..

[short glacier]

Buy some kick pedals baby

Left foot d Stance right foot battle

Your calves will thank you

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-legs-gif-10811579

[covert peak]

lmao

[short glacier]

I’m very tempted to do it myself haha

Try this

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance; [stance:1] Berserker Stance

[muted surge]

Yes

[spice hornet]

Real warriors don’t go into d stance

[covert abyss]

healers hate this one simple thing

[green anchor]

same here just now lmao

1765 and lost 0-6

[compact oak]

Why do you think Enh is underrated? Do people blow it out of proportion with the "killable utility" and "one defensive" and Enh damage is actually very good?

guessing

[muted surge]

Enh has insane heal

[green anchor]

I was just against and Enh... definitely not easy to play against as warrior

[muted surge]

And if you get lucky you oneshot people

[green anchor]

seems like if you drop below 30% and try to use DBTS it's useless vs Enh

he can go through it with Ele blast and ascendance

[muted surge]

Yea like against most, enh big damage is magic

But for that you have spell reflect :>

[mortal elm]

dont pop defensives at %20

use them while enemy is bursting, so healer dont burn their oh shit buttons

[muted surge]

Or just don’t use defensives

And blame the heal

[thorn herald]

What happened to tay

[muted surge]

Who

[sharp meteor]

whomst

[green anchor]

Taywarr perhaps

Tay_warr on twitch

[mild thunder]

They have the best off-healing of any hybrid spec right now
Reasonably tanky (55% wall on 2min cd, good self-healing, decent passive mitigation)
Very decent damage with the storm strike/doom winds build (including very solid burst)
Good utility (static totem, tremor, grounding, decurse, totemic projection etc)
Cc is okay
Mobility is okay

They’re not overpowered, but put them in the right comp and they’re far from weak

[frank knoll]

@grand scaffold hey how do you avoid not dying in a swap as fury

[sharp meteor]

that's the neato thing u don't

[frank knoll]

I haven’t seen an enhancement shaman in forever

[sharp meteor]

ya cos enh kind of booty lmao

dmg is there but similar to fury it's lacking defensively

[frank knoll]

Probably better off defensively than fury

Cause Earth Ele, wall, totems etc

[mild thunder]

Enh is definitely not bad

Even when it’s good, it’s not a popular spec, it just suffers from poor community perception

[sharp meteor]

i mean

it's not good

[mild thunder]

I’d say it’s good, not great

[sharp meteor]

ur never like ya turbo i'd rather play that over kitty or retwarr

[mild thunder]

Probably on par with, if not better, than Ret

[sharp meteor]

ya but ret getting reworked into a walking holocaust again

[mild thunder]

I’d play turbo over ret warr right now

[sharp meteor]

ret massive buffs and enh nerfs

so that's fun and cool

[mild thunder]

Where is enh getting nerfed

Isn’t the shaman tree also getting buffs?

[sharp meteor]

wish i got to play unchained kitty

that looked like a funny time

[crisp jewel]

I just made a simple macro, and then a weakaura text under my nameplate, "zerker" in red "defensive" in blue

[mild thunder]

kitty still fun

just not OP

[onyx valve]

Turbo more fun anyway

[crisp jewel]

Enraged regen w the improved talent, impending and bitter immunity, also stay enraged for the weak but helpful 5% dmg red. Then there's always leap/intervene and los. I tried second wind a few times and made it work as long as healer can communicate and get roots off. Can get a full heal pretty fast if your not dotted up, but that never seems to be the case lol

[royal monolith]

What solo shuffle specs are people running? IS it all bleed these days?

I like spear for the utility..

And do people alwaysw run concussive blows? and what about endurance?

[mild thunder]

mostly preference/matchup

[sharp meteor]

depends on matchup

sometimes spear value too high

but in general just bleed is nice

[mild thunder]

endurance training is a solid waste of points imo

[sharp meteor]

2-3 people roar especially with wb is yum

[royal monolith]

So what spear builds are people running ? And if at all going endurence training, what are you swapping it for?

[mild thunder]

pins

[royal monolith]

This is my typical setup

And i drop wild strikes and concussive blows if i need shatter

Might be dum

[lethal sandal]

can anyone confirm that i get the elite season 1 transmog that i got on my DK today on my warrior when the season ends? i got 1800 today on my DK but am still missing shoulders and head transmog on my warrior.

that is kinda suspect, cause i did not play my warrior on SL s1 and S2 and have both elite transmogs that i farmed on my Dk in s1 and 2

[mild thunder]

no

SL elite sets were not class-specific

current ones are

[lethal sandal]

ok thanks for the info. guess i need to reach 1800 then on my warrior

[crisp jewel]

I like it, pretty much same as mine except I don't always take the kick cd reduction or inspiring pressence

[royal monolith]

What do you swap it for?

[topaz tulip]

@mild thunder What's your opinion of the value of the three hunt specs vs arms?

[royal monolith]

Oh, you swap it for inspiring presence?

[compact oak]

As Enh I feel like with ALL of my modifiers, taking 3-5 GCDs to pull off, the heal on an off-target can hardly be observed as a change in the healthbar. Maybe the new super-buffed Healing Stream Totem will be better but by itself still only a 30 sec CD. So are the other hybrids significantly worse at off-healing than this even?

The tankiness has been one of the two major complaints about Enh viability though, or is that unwarranted? Probably a good wall, but only one and the rest of their survivability is kiting I think. Don't take me to seriously, I'm very inexperienced but I'm just looking for more information on what I've observed 😅

And doesn't Enh have only one comp - Turbo? With WW and other melees being a grey area of maybe?

I have another guess regarding the other major Shaman complaint - that Shaman have destroyable utility... Wtih Totemic Projection it can all be manipulated much better. Unavoidable 3 sec AoE stun at range off the GCD is IMO pretty good. Still apparently it's never worth taking at all because Enh never wants to DR Stormbolt 🤔

[sharp meteor]

tldr is that enh is okay if u put a lot of effort into it

and i guess it was good back in like

uh

sinful i think?

actually maybe like cosmic

[mild thunder]

idk what 3-5 GCDs you're talking about in regards to enh off-healing, as it's built up passively as part of your rotation. besides that, nature's swiftness (which no one really takes) is off-gcd, and the only other thing that comes to mind is flame shock w/ the Focused Insight talent or healing stream w/ Swirling Currents (both are only 1 GCD and generally built passively)

I never said enh was particularly tanky, but it's far from the squishiest melee. it has a very solid 55% wall, passive mitigation/healing w/ Nature's Guardian, Elemental Warding, Earthen Shield etc... and if you take the talent, can pre-ghost wolf against some comps for the extra mitigation

yea, one of the weaknesses w/ enh has always been comp restriction, but that's probably overstated. now that far more classes have ms effects, enh can probably branch out and find some new stuff - e.g. i can see enh/feral, enh/dh and old beast cleave all being decent

[sharp meteor]

works with demo and ww

beast cleve seems kind of eh

maybe that'd be fine

[mild thunder]

aLl ShAmAn UtILiTy Is KiLlAbLe - if you're tremoring and grounding at the right time, that doesn't really matter unless you're playing against neo from the matrix

[sharp meteor]

with scatter now

[mild thunder]

if beast cleave did work, it would probably just be because bm is so strong rn tbf

[sharp meteor]

no stun kind of awk

[mild thunder]

you have lasso, which can be rotated with intim to stun healers in a pinch

[sharp meteor]

ya it'd have to be healer ig

honestly maybe hpal or druid dece

[mild thunder]

shaman is also one of only 3 specs with a spammable purge, should never really be undervalued

esp since even the best disc priests cant spend all their time purging offensively

[mild thunder]

not sure i really understand the question, but all 3 hunter specs are somewhat strong, and bm is busted

[rotund trellis]

0-6 again, tanking so hard at 1600. I suck beyond words lol

[unreal socket]

You got this, I had a shit streak and tanked to 1500, but made it back up

[rotund trellis]

odds are if one person suck I should at least go 3-3, but I always lose = I suck

[valid wave]

Have you recorded any of your games?

[rotund trellis]

yes

[frank knoll]

Peaks and valleys man

[sharp meteor]

go 1-5 cos nobody presses then 5-1 cos nobody pressed

easy come easy go

[rotund trellis]

another 0-6 at 1100, better if I quit lmao

[muted surge]

Nah you still got some rating to lose

Don’t give up, reach that 0

[rotund trellis]

true

[muted surge]

I’m surprised that you find games so quickly

[rotund trellis]

not quick enough apparently

at 0 I'm gonna del my 18 years old character I promise a screenshot

[muted surge]

Okay nice

Hope you achieve your goals before I go to bed

[mystic barn]

blizzard too kind having a restore character button in load screen

[muted surge]

Otherwise ping me if it takes to long

[topaz tulip]

Take a minute to stop and get a drink, watch something funny, and think about not wow. If you come back and your next game is like this, go play a different character and come back to this one tomorrow.

Trying to make up for other people's mistakes and failing makes you feel like you aren't good enough, but after a while you get frustrated and make your own mistakes that make the problem worse. Get away from the negativity, and you'll go positive much sooner.

[topaz tulip]

Honestly was just leveling mine finally. Performance wise all the specs seem to be on par with each other so I asked. Small distractions to help keep me from tilting too far on war.

[unkempt ridge]

why do most warriors play warbreaker over longer csmash? i feel like (especially in solo shuffle) youre mostly targeting one person so longer dmg increase just feels more valuable

[sharp meteor]

cs smash is preferable if only 1-2 targets

warbreaker good to hit multiple reliably

like i can't get smash on a dh/dk in their 20 pets

[unkempt ridge]

why couldnt you do that? just target them and press it

i feel like im missing something

[topaz tulip]

That's exactly what I do. If I"m swamped, I just click their icon instead of trying to click through the fog. But specifically for hunters/dk, sometimes I take wb just to kill the pets while I'm sitting on their face. Idk if that's dumb, but since most of the time they survive the opener anyway I just like to cut their dam later, if that makes sense. But that's my trash perspective.

[unkempt ridge]

ok thanks!

[royal monolith]

Question:
I have 4 pvp set pieces. Gloves, legs, chest and head, should i switch out the crafted helmet for the set head while i wait for the shoulders, or what? The set helm has haste/mastery...

[mild thunder]

because the sweeped cs will be soaked by a pet

taking warbreaker does two things > ensures all targets will be hit so you can swap if you force a defensive, and grants the possibility of sniping a low hp pet for an IFtK proc

[mild thunder]

conquest is uncapped, just get the crafted helm and buy shoulders when you get your next 700 conquest

dont waste time, conquest or catalyst charges on a subpar piece

[royal monolith]

I have the shoulders, but i need the set-piece, dont i?

[mild thunder]

just convert the shoulders then

[sharp meteor]

sweep only hits one target

smash sweep into a swarm of pets is unreliable

similar to unhinged into bm and/or demo pets

[rotund trellis]

I recorded a couple of rounds for your review, will post as soon as the processing is done

[copper hare]

having a lobby with assa + sub is fucking disgusting

[mild thunder]

sounds gross

rip trinket, rip uptime

[sharp meteor]

sounds like sitting on ur hands waiting for one of the rogues to randomly feed

which they probably will somehow find a way to do

[spice hornet]

AIDS lobby

I had triple arms warrior lobby last week

Was so stupid

[copper hare]

mindblowing to me how rogue was sooo dominant in every awc, like 90% of the teams had an rogue

and it continues to be unnerfed

blizzard started DF so good with tuning and now we're just back to the same shithole as in the last 4 years

tragic

[sharp meteor]

idk blizz wants epic ninja class to be op

[mild thunder]

there must always be a rogue in S tier

[sharp meteor]

another expansion of rogue instantly ending games if u go off script

while just randomly kidneying people or bombing air

[spark oyster]

Trying arms. Good god spear feels clunky.

[tawny brook]

Is arms bursty? I can’t take the unholy dk slog every round anymore

[mild thunder]

i think that's what always makes rogue feel so toxic... as much as rogue mains (🤢) talk about high "high execution" it is, it's even higher execution to verse them, because making a mistake is so punishable

shades of cosmic RMP

giving them a disarm was really the nail in the coffin too

[sharp meteor]

playing vs an okay rogue really just feels like waiting for them to get impatient and mess up

10 minute games in unchained of preing goes

and it doesn't matter

[mild thunder]

sub feels just as toxic now too... trinket anything outside of duel and it's pretty much game over

or you trinket bomb/shadow blades and they instantly swap > duel someone else

[onyx valve]

It feels like there is too many win conditions, too many things you have to be able to trinket

[sharp meteor]

idk how rogue stays how it is but as long as it has

maybe it's all the 1.4k cr pikaboo fanboys dragging performance down

[onyx valve]

Kidney is still dumb af

[sharp meteor]

because lord knows the avg 2k roguelet dies 40 seconds in after pressing everything opener

[mild thunder]

i feel like we should have plenty of 1.4k cr bajheera fanboys to counterbalance

remove disarm
nerf kidney to 25/30sec CD
nerf. fucking. deathmark.

[onyx valve]

Pika fan club has to be bigger though?

I feel like 6 second is too long too

[mild thunder]

kidney being 20 seconds for the entirety of wow is just bonkers

idk how they get away with it

6 seconds is fine, it's the CD that's the issue

[sharp meteor]

oh well both are still better than the odd guy who stumbles in here and asks what asmon is playing

[mild thunder]

and disarming out

20 seconds is just way too overwhelming

[mild thunder]

asmongold 🤓

[onyx valve]

A legend 🙃

[spark oyster]

Nvm spear is awesome. I just newb’d it.

[earnest wharf]

any of yall have rough estimate of contribution of PVP crafted helm in arena/rbgs? I have 12 token to spend on 2 sockets or buying a bottled essence cuz i can't for the life of me get one to drop

[mystic prairie]

guys, what's the 2nd trinket for orc?

[sharp meteor]

?

[earnest wharf]

of course it varies on who is getting hit but is the helm a significant amount of dmg?

[sharp meteor]

medallion then badge/insigniaa depending on build/matchup/pref or bm for defensive

[earnest wharf]

you'd still use CC break trinket regardless of race and choice of proc/on use/BM depending on situation

[mystic prairie]

insignia gives haste instead of strength, is that not an issue?

[earnest wharf]

does 2 sockets tend to do more dmg or the helm effect?

insignia gives more average dmg over a whole match, on use gives more during ur burst

so they each have a role depending on ur comp and style

[mild thunder]

None of the dmg trinkets give base strength, mate

[mild thunder]

Did you use all the sparks from quest?

[earnest wharf]

yea i'm an idiot and was mostly into M+ first part of the season and made a bunch of pieces and now i can't seem to get a single spark to drop lol

i had 1 spare spark left and made the belt but have killed countless rares, using the super rare WA, farmed 2 vicious saddles worth of PVP and can't get another spark

[mild thunder]

Don’t you get like 4 sparks just from quests? How many pve pieces did you make

[earnest wharf]

i made prot and fury set so i used them all, and the battle res bracers to try to be the hero who saved M+ wipes lol

so now i'm stuck with either take 2 sockets or use the tokens to make the helm so i can't decide which is worth more

i made lariat, 2h weapon, 1h weapon for prot, and bracers so that was 5 sparks

so it's either ~200 in secondary stats or do damage when people hit me from helm, no idea what type of dmg the helm gives in an average match

[mystic prairie]

is there a list of PvP BiS pieces somewhere? (arms)

[covert abyss]

The conquest vendor

[mystic prairie]

from what I understand, there's some crafted piece

[sharp meteor]

infurious helm is too much value to pass up imo

second crafted piece is probably just cc reduction boots

although there's titanic ring and lariant but only 418

[earnest wharf]

ok i'll suck it up and use my 12 tokens on the helm, i was leaning that way cuz 2 sockets isn't a deal breaker in terms of dmg contribution.

[sharp meteor]

the what now

[earnest wharf]

you can buy a bottled essence for 12 tokens, or 2 sockets with 12 tokens

so it's a 1:1 trade for me

[sharp meteor]

what'd u spend ur sparks on lmao

[tawny brook]

Do you guys have trouble getting mythic+ parties in pvp gear

[earnest wharf]

all PVE stuff i regret now haha

but can't take it back

[sharp meteor]

people only look at score

[mild thunder]

depends on what ilvl you are

[mystic prairie]

you gotta craft the helm yourself? can't buy it?

[sharp meteor]

i think i healed a 20 court on my 360 evoker

[mild thunder]

if you're 366 with no upgraded gear, no shit you're not getting invited

[sharp meteor]

psure i had a few 340 honor pieces

[earnest wharf]

you craft it through craft order, but it requies the spark

[tawny brook]

Im 389

[mystic prairie]

gotcha, thanks

[mild thunder]

389 kinda low for m+ this late in the season

[earnest wharf]

389 is REALLY low for M+ for a dps

[sharp meteor]

valor uncapped and we've a few months in

even the most bottom of the barrel gamer dads are higher than 390

they could click their buttons and probably do but are 10-20 ilev higher

[mild thunder]

either farm some valor and get actual pve gear or push pvp to get at least 405 ilvl gear

[earnest wharf]

there's an infinite amount of low dps queueing up so even for free +10 range M+ no reason they'd take under 400 ilvl cuz there's a whole page of dps queued up for it

[sharp meteor]

mid-late season keys are so awful because u get the gutter players who finally caught up

so gotta play early

[tawny brook]

I just want the completions for sockets

[sharp meteor]

afk an lfr

[mild thunder]

just pvp?

[sharp meteor]

or shuiff

[mild thunder]

^

[earnest wharf]

if you pvp even a moderate amount you'd get the 6 tokens for 5000 rated honor a week

[sharp meteor]

like wtf

only reason to do keys is for 418 lariat/titanic if ur not 2400 shuff somehow

[mild thunder]

i think i've gotten full vault on day 1 or 2 of reset the last month just from 3s

[tawny brook]

Is 12 tokens the max per week

[mild thunder]

it's super easy

6

[tawny brook]

2 sockets basically per week

[mild thunder]

1 socket/week

[earnest wharf]

you can host ur own +2 keys if you don't cap 5k honor a week

[sharp meteor]

its 6 per week

[earnest wharf]

but if you enjoy pvp, no point doing 8 M2s just for the 6 tokens

[tawny brook]

So if I do pvp, mythic+, and raid to get all 9 things in my vault I only get 6

[mild thunder]

yes

[earnest wharf]

it's max 6 no matter what you do

[tawny brook]

O fuck mythic+

[mild thunder]

that's what 6 per week means

[tawny brook]

Mythic+ and raids are dead to me forever now

[earnest wharf]

if ur super casual getting 1 rbg win each day is 260 conquest and >1000 rated honor

[tawny brook]

I have the pvp ones complete

[earnest wharf]

ahh then stop there

don't waste time trying to get M+ groups unless you want PVE set

[tawny brook]

Any word on when this season ends?

[sharp meteor]

no

not for a few months

[mild thunder]

there's no secret info in this disc so that we know when the season ends

[tawny brook]

O ok good

[mild thunder]

actually if you @ archimtiros enough, he might answer you

try it

[earnest wharf]

don't think it's officially announced but ppl think 10.0.7 is late March?

[mild thunder]

it's just a guess based on the 10.0.5 cycle

but realistically, .0.7 is a bigger content dump

[brazen rock]

you still get remedial tards at 2800.

went an entire tjs 22 with rsham pressing link once.

[sharp meteor]

keys suck people have a decent history then u realize it's just cos they throw their body at runs

and eventually get dragged through

[brazen rock]

nah keys with friends are great

[copper hare]

you still get them at 3.1

xd

but m+ is still way more fun than pvp currently since blizzard refuses to do proper tuning again

it's just bfa/SL all over again

[sharp meteor]

no tuning aagain

we are forsaken

[copper hare]

they rather do wrath hotfixes every day

[sharp meteor]

it's half bots and half boomers who buy from bots

[copper hare]

gdkp runs all day, poor people

[quick carbon]

nerf this cringe talent man

[sharp meteor]

no it's funni

[sage raptor]

Nerf nothing

Buff everything

[sharp meteor]

buff ignore pain

[sage raptor]

Warr #1

[sharp meteor]

arms get borsted too hard

[sage raptor]

I want every warr spec to be s tier

Even prot

Warr supremacy

They will bow to us

[copper hare]

arms only bleeeds

no boorst

[floral nymph]

Hello, I see some top ranked players using the polearm with mastery versa stat. I thought is mastery is bad for pvp builds, is there a reason for that?

[sharp meteor]

they got out of vault and haven't gotten enough conq to replace

[floral nymph]

oh thank you

[sharp meteor]

or just feel like they have enough crit/haste and want to branch into a bit of mastery

mastery is good for fury but everybody moved off that so

[grand scaffold]

so thats the problem with fury

you cant

its why im trying arms again

[sharp meteor]

meta feels too fast for fury

[onyx valve]

I love how the Classic community screams for no changes or no P2W shit, but gobbles up bot/RMT gold

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild thunder]

good

[stark reef]

Just hit 70 - for PvP (solo shuffle) - should I focus on arms or fury atm?

[mild thunder]

prot

[stark reef]

fr?

[mild thunder]

fr fr ong no cap

[stark reef]

[grand scaffold]

play arms

fury isnt good

@mild thunder do you think its possible to play bt build with onslaught talented?

[mild thunder]

i think trolling is perfectly possible, no clue why you'd do it though

[grand scaffold]

😂

onslaught hits pretty hard

[mild thunder]

OMG MY 40K ONSLAUGHTS

no it doesnt

[grand scaffold]

i hit 75k

[mild thunder]

cap

[grand scaffold]

well

you guys apparently hit 200k ms

[mild thunder]

on a target dummy?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild thunder]

we have screenshots to prove

[grand scaffold]

😂

[mild thunder]

okay well idgaf about target dummy

onslaught does ass dmg, and the capstone is useless for annihilator build

[grand scaffold]

yeah capstone does suck

but

onslaught itself isnt that bad

[mild thunder]

i mean

40k dmg

big woop

bloodbath is way better to press

[grand scaffold]

yeah you're probably right

but according to the pve people

onslaught procs recklessness

[mild thunder]

says who

[grand scaffold]

megasorde

check pve channel

apparently it does

[mild thunder]

it has a chance to proc recklessness

again - big woop

[grand scaffold]

-_-

yeah it seems pretty useless then

[mild thunder]

why press onslaught over bloodbath or ramp?

[grand scaffold]

good point

[grand scaffold]

and what about playing a build like this BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICkAERTISkENIhkA4ARSCRSSkIJkESkWahAJJBAAAABB

[mild thunder]

anytime you try to introduce something new to the anni rotation, that's what needs to be answered

"is this better than bloodbath and rampage?" - because unfortunately, those 2 buttons together are pretty strong and synergistic

[spark oyster]

Good god I suck with arms.

[grand scaffold]

true

[mild thunder]

build is just a massive waste imo

[grand scaffold]

massive waste of what

[mild thunder]

what's the point of investing in bt if you're never gonna press it

talent points

[grand scaffold]

if you gotta live you stop pressing raging blow

[mild thunder]

3 rb charges is enough to sustain a rotation

[grand scaffold]

if you arent being focused

spam raging blow

idk

thats what i was thinking

[mild thunder]

yea seems like a hardcore waste imo, it's just a worse version of both builds

[grand scaffold]

doesnt raging blow build just flop?

[mild thunder]

you're gonna do subpar bt damage, too global-inflated, no exe dmg

[mild thunder]

yep

but id still play an rb build over that

[grand scaffold]

so bt build does ok dmg and doesnt flop too hard

raging blow build does good dmg

and flops

-_-

[elfin surge]

guys

boomy war disc

is our best comp

and im not even trolling

@mild thunder @spice hornet

@fickle forge

[grand scaffold]

i dont doubt it

boomy cranks hard af

[mild thunder]

the prophet has spoken

[grand scaffold]

is battle trance good at all?

[mild thunder]

battle trance still doesnt work with crushing blow

[grand scaffold]

😂

is it a good pvp talent tho if im playing the bt build?

[mild thunder]

idk how it works with annihilator tbf

[lean burrow]

it requires sitting on target for like 5 seconds

[grand scaffold]

8 autoattacks = battle trance

[lean burrow]

very cringe

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge i just beat crusader... i feel like a god

[grand scaffold]

grats

what cr is that guy at

[mild thunder]

if i can beat crusader, does that mean im better than Dekel?

[grand scaffold]

and doesnt he rbg

[grand scaffold]

can crusader beat dekel?

[mild thunder]

yep

[grand scaffold]

wel

well

i guess that means you better than dekel

what was crusader even playing?

[mild thunder]

his hpal

but he was LFGingm

[grand scaffold]

that guy rages so hard

was he streaming?

[mild thunder]

yea

kicked both his teammates after the loss kekW

[grand scaffold]

😂

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge I have switched to warlock now. I have sprouted a second brain cell so I can no longer play warrior

I enjoy@ boomy warrior but i could never find a good boomy who didn’t wanna just play boomy sh instead

Dh

[green anchor]

@mild thunder In what way is BM hunt so good? At my low rating they all get rolled and are basically a free win

I'd say in like 8/10 rounds the hunter dies first minute in

[mild thunder]

their damage is bonkers, and they have typical hunter cc

all for a retardedly easy rotation

[topaz tulip]

At your low rating bms are trash

[green anchor]

that's interesting lol

[mild thunder]

their damage is also just very, very consistent

[green anchor]

I see disc priests outdamage BMs all the time

(at shit rating)

[mild thunder]

is that according to details?

[green anchor]

well yes

[mild thunder]

is your details tracking pet dmg?

[topaz tulip]

I really used to think the same as you, and then I started seeing good bms pop up

If they allow you to move for more than 5 seconds without a new trap being thrown at you, they're probably trash

[green anchor]

If it doesn't by default then probably not cause I don't mess with it

[mild thunder]

then yea you may not be tracking pet dmg

which is most of their dmg

and yes, they also have 12 seconds of root... every 25 seconds 🙂

[green anchor]

yeah usually I sit in their cc all the time but then there's the other guy on my team right

[grand scaffold]

as soon as bm hunter presses primal wrath

it becomes much harder to win

[green anchor]

imagine you have a DH with you he just solos the hunter

then again DH seems insane

[grand scaffold]

dh is super crazy

until they dont have blur

[green anchor]

yet they always dodge my disarm outside of Blur

game over

[grand scaffold]

dont disarm during blade dance

[green anchor]

nah

[topaz tulip]

Again, if they're bad. Wing clib > Roar of sacrifice > disengage and suddenly dh just aren't keeping up as well

[green anchor]

during Meta

[grand scaffold]

dont disarm during meta animation

need to wait for them to land

[mild thunder]

you dont take disarm into dh

it's troll

[green anchor]

wtf is this game lol

[topaz tulip]

It doesn't really help much because half of their abilities still work

[mild thunder]

no, they just backflip and remove disarm

[green anchor]

feel like kicking beam doesn't do shit too

[mild thunder]

literally zero value in ever disarming a dh

[topaz tulip]

daaaammnnnn

[mild thunder]

kicking beam is good

[topaz tulip]

Wait

[mild thunder]

if there's no other stuff that's higher prio to kick

[grand scaffold]

i take disarm into them everytime

what talent is gonna outway it there

[mild thunder]

literally anything

[green anchor]

Duel maybe

[mild thunder]

any dh w/ half a braincell just backflips every disarm

[topaz tulip]

i gotta go see this now. I don't think i've ever noticed backflip being active while disarmed

[grand scaffold]

even shadow of the colossus?

[topaz tulip]

But even if it does work, wouldn't the intelligent thing be to just wait til they flip before disarming?

Because at some point they're going to for the sake of momentum

[green anchor]

I mean you cannot wait when your healer is being run down by him

[topaz tulip]

If your answer to save heals is to disarm a dh you've already got too many problems

[green anchor]

If I'm not (miraculously) the enemy's target then I try to use Disarm to save mates

[topaz tulip]

If literally every other ability you have to save them is gone then I guess it makes sense, but the entire rest of your kit is better suited

[green anchor]

also why did Blizz give boomkins a disarm?

that caught me off guard in uhhh BfA?

or whenever they added it

Still I wish it was rogue that didn't have disarm

[mild thunder]

i mean, every disarm just gets removed for free

it's literally next-to-zero value

[green anchor]

leave disarm to Outlaw. not the other two specs

[topaz tulip]

The problem with rog runs far deeper than disarm

[green anchor]

I'm aware

[topaz tulip]

idk why i sometimes random reply to shit

[grand scaffold]

so you mean

[topaz tulip]

I didn't even click that

[grand scaffold]

into a dh

you would rather not run disarm

[green anchor]

Someone said that Disarming a WW monk puts their Fists on a 8 sec pause?

[topaz tulip]

Initial reaction to deal with dh on someone else should be to just intervene anyway shouldn't it?

[grand scaffold]

not 8 sec

just while they are disarmed

[green anchor]

so usual 6 secs

[grand scaffold]

and if they are on you?

[topaz tulip]

Cry that you don't have demo shout?

[mild thunder]

yes

ever

warbringer, banner, duel all better choices

[grand scaffold]

idk about that

[green anchor]

I take Warbringer as a mainstay lol

[topaz tulip]

Banner > dh than disarm? Can I get an explanation on that?

[green anchor]

free 50k crits

[mild thunder]

i mean, what's better value? something that gets removed by a 20sec CD that they wont use on anything else, or literally any other talent that provides at least some value

[topaz tulip]

bro I've cleaned up so many matches by just sitting on wb. It's so hard to get off my bar now

[green anchor]

Why'd you put that on your bar tho

Passive 😂

[topaz tulip]

Figure of speech. It's jsut charge

[green anchor]

I swear it's gonna get nerfed

[topaz tulip]

Wait so, at your elo they literally never glimpse unless they get disarmed? That's real interesting too

[mild thunder]

warr doesnt really have anything else to force glimpse, unless they pre-empt a storm bolt

neither does my feral

they dont even have to sit on glimpse, they just have to make sure they have it for their eye beam/essence break go

[green anchor]

https://i.imgur.com/cbZWZ9Y.png

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

[mild thunder]

train feral imo, swap on ps/swap

[topaz tulip]

No it's beautiful. Just kill the feral

Lmao

[green anchor]

team speaking german

👌

[mild thunder]

assa too hard to kill w/ double step bs

[topaz tulip]

I was more advising because feral down here blow more than my last gf

[green anchor]

they just tunneled the Devoker on my team

[topaz tulip]

but did you intervene?

[green anchor]

twice

[topaz tulip]

did you fear to blow the trink and then disarm the rog?

[green anchor]

hp shout

this rogue is just teleporting around the entire arena wtf

https://i.imgur.com/aoUCxdM.png

and someone leaves lmao

Why can't you see who abandone it tho... so you could report them

''will receive a queue penalty'' 😒

[grand scaffold]

you can

the evoker left in that game

as you can see

he lose a shit ton of rating

[green anchor]

I thought that's because he didn't win any rounds and it was only 4 played

[mild thunder]

no need to report anyway

there's automatic marks made against their acc

[topaz tulip]

If you lose every round you lose like 70-80 even at negative mmr. You lose 150 automatic for leaving

You win 5 rounds and leave at the last one, -150

[green anchor]

I see, sounds reasonable I guess

[topaz tulip]

Also means don't pvp on shit net cuz boy you gonna get fucked lmao

[green anchor]

wdym?

my connection is fine

this rogue was sus though

almost looked like this ''lag switch'' I've been hearing about lol

Never actually seen it for real or if it even is a thing

[topaz tulip]

Oh not talking about you just saying in general

Is there such a thing as server rankings or do they only care about world wide?

[green anchor]

again a leaver wtf

https://i.imgur.com/z8cvkOf.png

boomkin got tired of getting trained every round

at least the queue pops are fast in the morning

[grand scaffold]

@rotund trellis

hows the 1800 push going

[topaz tulip]

Damn, ask cassetto don't ask me. Dogo don't like me 😭

[grand scaffold]

wait

you are trying for 1800 too?

[topaz tulip]

Yeah bro that's why I keep calling myself trash 😂

[grand scaffold]

oh ok

well what cr you at now

[topaz tulip]

Think it was you or gala who said "1600 has all their keys bound, 1800 knows how to use them" and I don't know how to use them

Uh...I made it back to 1700 then immediately lost another 200. Somehwere around 16 again now

[grand scaffold]

have you posted gameplay yet?

?

[fickle forge]

Stop trolling

[lean burrow]

i don't think it applies to shuffle

[mild thunder]

shuffle it's more like "2100 has their keys bound, 2400 knows how to use them..." etc

[lean burrow]

just keep hamstring and press your defensives early, you will get 1800

[topaz tulip]

Well fuck me

[topaz tulip]

Nah not yet

I was hoping to scrub the basics so my critique wasn't like "Yeah why the fuck don't you know when to use intervene man?"