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#pvp
quasi lotus
pale minnow
man wtf... this disc ain't the same since
quasi lotus
man was banned from old skyhold pvp he was never gonna make it to new skyhold pvp kek
undone pumice
f
pale minnow
see, told him to get them gainz but he refused and got banned
at the end of the day he just coached 
mystic barn
cali gets to harass teknyx every day on the side
topaz tulip
This is probably the first full caster match I actually managed to go even in. It only took 10m dam on my part, but I fucking did it
mild thunder
1m cd spear
i miss 40 sec spear 
quick carbon
I’m tryna think what could be in its place
mild thunder
not sure what else they would add tho... wouldn't really want any of the other cov abilities
quick carbon
ya
quick carbon
I hate conq banner
mild thunder
and we basically have aftershock already
mild thunder
I hate conq banner
quick carbon
what ab
Old bloodbath
The bleed talent
or something
that shit was sick
Bloodbath bladestorm
SHEEEESH
mild thunder
also based
mild thunder
ngl i'd rather they add stuff like anger management and massacre to the class tree as well
there shouldn't be abilities in every spec tree, it's just a waste
indigo barn
Siegebreaker 
Make one of the upgrade talents to make it so if they hit a wall, they are stunned and take extra damage, guaranteed crit if they cannot be displaced
indigo barn
Doubled while stunned 
keen silo
how are you guys dealing with frost mages?
muted surge
Hit ‘em!
hollow ore
I quit the arena unless they re total garbo
blazing maple
Focus other dps lol
quick carbon
how are you guys dealing with frost mages?
Don’t give them precog
giving mages precog rn is basically giving them the game
it is what it is
wheat jay
Precog is shit design
muted surge
What’s precog?
quick carbon
when if they juke you they’re immune to interrupts and cc
For 5 seconds
I mean tbh being a caster and faking kicks only to just get stunned into dr stunned into grip into incap or some bullshit
Was probably hella annoying
but precog is also hella annoying
mild thunder
Don’t give them precog
precog sucks ass
you're already punished for missing a kick because you missed your fucking kick
precog is the same as giving warriors a talent where if they bladestorm your disarm they're un-ccable and get 20% bonus dmg for 5 seconds
muted surge
Ohh that, ye forgot how it’s called
quick carbon
just don’t get juked 4head
mild thunder
9/10 times i give a caster precog it's because my feral and i kick the same cast
quick carbon
I mean it’s just super easy to abuse in solo shuffle
the arms race between warrior and mage has gotten so wild
is give up double time and 30s leap
If they didn’t have their stupid knock back
bro I also remember saying roar was gonna overtake spear and I was totally right
I’m 200 iq
mild thunder
bro I also remember saying roar was gonna overtake spear and I was totally right
i stg you said the opposite
quick carbon
No I didn’t
I said roar buffs might make it preferable over spear
and now it is
Into most matchups
mild thunder
i think you said whichever was highest damage would be preferable
quick carbon
ya
mild thunder
which is true bec its roar
quick carbon
and every team is either disc priest or warlock or dk
And spear is useless into them
mild thunder
still like spear into jungle usually
mild thunder
yea i never take it into dk or lock
mild thunder
i sometimes take it into disc bec our feral's opener gets dome a lot of the time
so i can save spear for something else
mild thunder
yea same
quick carbon
or use one of their 2 million pain suppressions
even if it’s like
warrior dh druid
I’m just gonna take roar
1m roar just owns
mild thunder
i usually dont take it into hpala, unless it's a particularly good comp for spear
quick carbon
and if u get bop for spear that’s a w
mild thunder
every rmx is disc, rdru and occasionally prevo
mild thunder
1m roar is very nice
mild thunder
i run sks into a lot of comps just because it's the most fun tbh
quick carbon
Warbreaker roar or warbreaker avatar
mild thunder
non-sks bleed is fun too
mild thunder
i didnt like it at first, but it grew on me
feels a lot more consistent and engaging to play around than praying on ms crits
mild thunder
almost every talent i used to meme on at the start of the season is now in my sks build - FbV, sks, Uproar...
hollow ore
FBV
mild thunder
i even drop massacre most of the time with sks now
quick carbon
I prefer the no sks bleed spec
mild thunder
yea fair... i do like playing EP when i get the chance
mild thunder
this is what my sks build looks like most of the time
i swap to take improved exe sometimes, and obv class tree stuff moves around heaps
quick carbon
I don’t like investing those points into sks I think massacre has a lot of value still
having all the ms buff talents but with roar over spear
Is my fav spec rn
and ur not rlly praying for ms crits
mild thunder
idk i dont think massacre is very high value... ms with 1 stack of OP or EP is higher damage than an execute
mild thunder
usually only exe once before i go back to spamming ms
quick carbon
idk i dont think massacre is very high value... ms with 1 stack of OP or EP is h...
idk I’ve hit 140k executes on people lmao
and since the nerfs to ms I think they both do similar damage
mild thunder
U have over 50% crit when you colossus smash so
i run haste/crit split now, both are ~19%
feels very smooth
mild thunder
idk I’ve hit 140k executes on people lmao
140k executes are nice, but ive also hit ~200k skullsplitters and >200k ms
quick carbon
I haven’t hit any ms over 150k since the tuning
mild thunder
really?
quick carbon
but tbh that could also be from not playing spear
mild thunder
i've still hit like 160-180k
mild thunder
but yea sks can definitely chunk very hard, and it's super nice into stuff like dk, lock etc because of all their armor
i swap between improved exe and unhinged if i do swap those out tho
quick carbon
I swear armor just doesn’t matter that much
u shred dks passively
No matter what spec
mild thunder
it's not a huge deal, but it's nice to get a bonus into it where you can
moreso into locks tbh
mild thunder
yea that's perfectly fair
quick carbon
Every warrior build rn is insane cuz warriors busted
beyond belief
it just isn’t kidney shiv LUL tier
mild thunder
as long as we can all agree spear is kinda old and boring at this point
mild thunder
but is boring
mild thunder
true
quick carbon
I got a lobby with bm hunter Boomkin frost mage and me
I clutched out the 4-2 man
My palms were sweaty asf
mild thunder
i do think arms is pretty strong at this point, but im pretty confident that we're not S tier into most comps
and im very confident we dont need another round of nerfs
mild thunder
imagine not playing kitty cleave 
but that's the comp being strong, not arms
it's a far step down from RPX
mild thunder
ehhhh, i think it's matchup dependent
there are matchups where arms is a literal god, and there are matchups where arms feels like a limbless gimp
quick carbon
I mean it depends on ur comp
Warrior sp can actually just facefuck any wizard cleave
so can thunder
warrior melee cleaves rn aren’t the best
mild thunder
yea but that's a comp being strong not specifically arms
quick carbon
yeah the comp is strong in general but the comp is strong because of the ridiculous damage warrior can do
Coupled with sp cc
and damage
mild thunder
yea but playing with a caster can enable you to do a lot of things that you otherwise cant
quick carbon
Caster warrior in general is better than warrior cleaves
that’s just a symptom of wizards being strong
Not warrior being not strong
mild thunder
i completely agree, but that doesn't mean that all arms players play that or that because of that, arms is S tier
and yea this is defs becoming a bit more of a caster meta over time
quick carbon
I think the only thing that’s truly s tier right now is rogue if u wanna make that case that’s fine
but warrior sp can beat anything in the game
mild thunder
yea but again, most warriors are not playing with an sp
undone pumice
common galachad W
quick carbon
yeah but the option is available, it’s like a ret not playing ret warrior in sl
mild thunder
so an actual chad ret?
quick carbon
ret was undeniably strong and ret warrior was by far its best comp
But some rets played ret hunter
and did worse than rets who played ret warrior
mild thunder
cupid cleave is infinitely more fun than ret/warr
quick carbon
my point is it’s hard to argue that a class isn’t x tier because not everyone plays it’s best comp
mild thunder
but yea i'd rather run subpar kitty cleave with friends than sit in lfg waiting for an annoying sp, destro or ele to queue meta comps with only for it to get nerfed after a few weeks
quick carbon
I think a class should be judged in viability by the strength of its strongest comp
mild thunder
ehhh, by that argument anything that can play with assa rogue at a high level is pretty much S tier
and i don't think that's fair
quick carbon
not every rogue comp is as good as sp rogue tho
So rogue is by far the best comp rn
sp*
mild thunder
no, but pretty much every traditional rogue comp is strong right now (thug, rmx, rpx, etc)
even starting to see the rise of RLX again
mild thunder
agreed
quick carbon
For rogue and for sp
mild thunder
but i genuinely think that's more of a rogue problem than an sp problem
mild thunder
yea agreed, i don't find it particularly problematic anymore
mild thunder
annoying, but not in an "this is op i hate this spec" way like assa is
quick carbon
I mean even before the nerfs to sp
Warrior was one of the only classes
That could kill it
just because of the nature of warrior
mild thunder
we do have a pretty good matchup into it
quick carbon
warrior will always be one of the better answers into shadow priests and warlocks
Simply because it’s warrior
mild thunder
we kill psyfiend relatively easy, they cant really kite us, we can bs their stupid void volley shit, we can negate most of their cc etc
quick carbon
It’s just when they bring a rogue
rogue is by far
The hardest thing to fight
As warrior
mild thunder
if arms was S tier right now, assa would be borderline SS+
it's that far ahead of the pack
quick carbon
ret warrior next patch might be a rlly rlly good answer
Into sp rogue
like borderline counter to it
mild thunder
eh, im just bored of melee cleaves
my 3s team is trying to talk me into playing my hunter as sv or mm so we can queue jungle on alts
mild thunder
yea sure
mild thunder
kinda hard to see what ret will be like tho, the tree is still very far from finished
quick carbon
assuming it goes live the way it is rn*
mild thunder
and some stuff is very, very likely to be nerfed
there's no shot divine protection goes through as it is right now
45% wall on a 1 min cd
mild thunder
they wont nerf the CD, but they will almost definitely nerf the wall down to 30% or something
quick carbon
even 30% on 1m cd
Is insanely good
like that alone is going to discourage teams from going rets
mild thunder
and ret will still have the issue of bop, divine etc being hard-countered by priests
since everyone and their mum runs fast MD now
quick carbon
ontop of bop and bubble
and having the option of 1m wings for consistent damage
Or 2m giga burst wings
And having leap
ret is going to be
Very very good
mild thunder
idk ret is just so, so far from a finished product that i think it's hard to speculate
quick carbon
yeah that’s fair
mild thunder
their tree unironically looks like something you'd see in pre-alpha
it's a emss
mess*
quick carbon
yeah it’s obvious down to the final product but even if
It goes live in any form SIMILAR to what it is now
Ret warrior will be
Retarded
mild thunder
if ret were to go live as it is right now, you could just run with a caster and be a borderline caster cleave
quick carbon
I think ret warrior will be better than ret caster tbh
mild thunder
its entire kit can be played at 20 yards
quick carbon
They nerfed the range of tv
mild thunder
when
mild thunder
idk who bramot is
quick carbon
he’s a golden prince of ret paladins
mild thunder
but yea he's missing the talent that buffs its range to 20 yards
its two talents now
quick carbon
ooo
but still I think rets gonna be able to enable warrior better than any other class
and warrior can also keep rets alive as well
it’s gonna be very hard to punish
mild thunder
probably, but if ret remains a sv ripoff, i imagine it'll pair very well with hunter
quick carbon
yeah ret hunter will probably be insane too
but ret hunter would have more issues into sp rogue
Than ret warrior would
mild thunder
but still I think rets gonna be able to enable warrior better than any other cla...
also ret may be losing double freedom, which would hurt ret/warr a fair bit
because it's on a choice node with their major self/off-healing talent
quick carbon
even if they don’t have double freedom, they have bop sac off healing to rotate with parry intim shout rally
that’s a fair bit strong of a defensive lineup
mild thunder
yea for sure, not saying it'll be bad, but unbound freedom specifically was very good for arms/ret
quick carbon
yah it was just guaranteed uptime
but ret won’t have to worry about uptime anymore LOL
mild thunder
gave them a far easier time into casters and ranged teams than they otherwise have
quick carbon
And not many classes can kite warrior rn
mild thunder
we'll see, i highly doubt 20yard ret will go live
quick carbon
god I hope not
mild thunder
and we're still waiting on the rumoured heroic leap for ret
quick carbon
I thought that was basically confirmed
mild thunder
as it stands right now, ret mobility is good but still not close to other melee
quick carbon
every paladin was talking about it being basically 100% happening
Haven’t looked at ret shit
At all
mild thunder
I thought that was basically confirmed
it's been datamined, and they've said they're still looking at adding more mobility but nothing concrete yet
mild thunder
every paladin was talking about it being basically 100% happening
ret copes more than any other spec
mild thunder
i cant even remember what's happening to lock
low timber
im new to pvp
mild thunder
i honestly dont give a fuck if ret is strong... that spec has been either shit or strong in the most toxic ways for so long, that i'd be happy for them to be strong in a healthy way for once
low timber
how do I remove my trauma with warlocks?
mild thunder
100% proven tactic
low timber
mild thunder
unironically kfc has always been the most fun warrior comp
it has also been one of the shittest for a while
wheat jay
Sadly
mild thunder
it's always been my least favourite comp, the only fun thing about playing with a dk is being able to grip shit
at least as kitty we can play super dynamic, lots of target swapping, both very mobile, quick burst and kills etc
uhdk is just blehh
mild thunder
kitty isnt weak, idk if i'd call it particularly strong
mild thunder
that's a very low bar
wheat jay
Lmao true
quick carbon
you’d think on paper kfc would be disgust
with the damage it does
but then in practice
viral bough
hows arms for solo pvp in df? prob not like mop but seems like it has some more selfhealing but is it good enough?
quick carbon
if there’s a healer on your team whatsoever
And he happens to heal u
u dominate
even if he just tab heals u
Every 15 seconds
you just destroy
wheat jay
with the damage it does
With bm it lacks utility with survi it lacks dmg
viral bough
ok so its like before 😄
quick carbon
Arms has been dependent on healers
For a decade now
so
it is what it is
warriors been like that for 90% of its history
Anyway
even fury without a healer is gonna be a rough time
viral bough
ok thanks for input! kinda what i was expecting, atleast arms still pumps dmg 😄
quick carbon
ya u can just try to
Out pump anything trying to kill u in bgs
and a lot of the time it works
cuz warrior damage retarded sometimes
fickle forge
Kfc not strong
You gotta realise Artji, that when most people say KFC they mean MM KFC
kindred viper
Does crusader literally only have wife beaters in his closet?
thick reef
So hows fury doing in solo compared to arms right now?
steel trout
So hows fury doing in solo compared to arms right now?
Worst melee in the game
kind fog
I am having a lot of fun with fury both in solo shuffle and 2s
Ain’t easy but I wouldn’t say it’s that bad, you do have good sustain and damage
Although I am only 1400 so I am not the most qualified
1400s in 2s
quick carbon
as long as ur having fun buddy then do ur thang
cedar flint
So i had an intresting soloshuffle today that i havent seen before instead of a healer both teams had a prot pala, was actualy alot of fun lol
muted surge
“Fun”
cedar flint
Well i won 6 to 6 so my time wasint wasted 😀
mild thunder
thewayitshouldbe
muted surge
Depends like in low mmr I noticed that people don’t know how prot pally works
mild thunder
people at low mmr dont know how tab targeting works
muted surge
But now I just die :(
quasi lotus
prot pally just doesn't work
seems like a remnant of shadowlands
they don't actually heal right now
cinder thorn
you just destroy
Are you a warlock by any chance? You seem to have err.. a high opinion of warriors
Yesterday I had 2 mages and warlock crying in solo shuffle that they playing vs ex glad (me)
I told them I'm not ex glad but thanks for compliment
Then they started crying more about warrior being cancer and ez mode etc
I was like OK, next SS
quick carbon
I mean
I’ve played warrior since wod
warrior is indeed very very strong rn
idk how else to say it
these buttons make u kill
steel trout
6 for ms 
quick carbon
I have a naga my bad bro
steel trout
quick carbon
I got one in wod
And I just
im just super used to it now
This button also make u kill
steel trout
as long as ur comfortable
quick carbon
ya I was new to pvp and friends advised me to use a naga
When I was rly new in mop/wod I rlly struggled with getting used to keybinds
Naga helped me out immensely
stark agate
Do y’all not use a 12 button mouse?
quick carbon
some ppl don’t
some ppl do
I also have small hands so
it’s wayyyyy easier for me to have a naga
muted surge
Arms is the most broken spec atm
quick carbon
it isn’t the most broken
steel trout
???
quick carbon
That would be rogue
steel trout
Arms is the most broken spec atm
are we playing the same game
muted surge
Second then
quick carbon
arms is def one of the higher tiers
delicate ginkgo
you are not suppose to have your rotation on the mouse D:
steel trout
no
muted surge
No
steel trout
u forget lavalavalava
steel trout
my bad
muted surge
Very very strong -> higher tier -> for meele?
quick carbon
hard to rlly compare melee to casters imo
muted surge
Arms doesn’t feel that strong compared to others
hot solstice
somehow this talent adds +1 sec to fear
muted surge
Issue is that they ruined enh :<
quick carbon
arms feels incredible
only thing it lacks in is survivability
But even that isn’t bad
copper hare
Arms doesn’t feel that strong compared to others
arms feels shit with disc priest
quick carbon
somehow this talent adds +1 sec to fear
Does it rlly?
copper hare
and amazing with rdruid/evoker
kindred viper
fear is 6 sec base in pvp and 8 with Menace? then reduced by trinket bonus?
hot solstice
Does it rlly?
yep
quick carbon
Are you a warlock by any chance? You seem to have err.. a high opinion of warrio...
I’m sry this comment rlly fried me 💀💀💀
IMAGINE BEING ACCUSED OF BEING A WARLOCK SCUM
cinder thorn
cinder thorn
Well they seem to have an over inflated opinion of warriors
quick carbon
I mean
My opinion of arms warrior
Is that its one of the best melee in the game
I don’t see how that’s controversial
cinder thorn
Arms is the most broken spec atm
But then so does haymengway who is a warlock main also
quick carbon
where do u think arms warrior is then
like is it rlly crazy to say arms warrior is rly rly rly good
it’s not the best at all
cinder thorn
I would say A tier
cinder thorn
DH is still S tier, so is Assasination rogue
cinder thorn
Well DH still kills everything with barely a dent
quick carbon
so does warrior lol
cinder thorn
I don't think so
Healer plus DH vs healer plus War is gg
quick carbon
Warrior healer can definitely beat dh healer
steel trout
sounds like skill issue
quick carbon
warrior and dh are pretty even imo
Just below rogue
Sin and sub
what makes you struggle into dh healer?
I can offer advice if u want
muted surge
so does warrior lol
Why is war survivability bad then
quick carbon
it isn’t bad
It’s just it’s weakest aspect
Quote me where I said warriors survivability is bad
muted surge
If you lack something it’s bad
And ip is a joke
But overall from the classes
Arms doesn’t seem that good compared to others
It’s just better than the shit tiers like enh
quick carbon
When I say the only thing lacking is survivability, im comparing its survivability to how much damage it does, so when I say that, it means it’s survivability isn’t as good as it’s damage or mobility or utility
But survivability isn’t bad
warrior is definitely better right now than dk survival hunter feral Druid ret paladin enhancement shaman outlaw rogue ww monk
it’s competing with demon hunter
And below sin and sub
onyx valve
Survival hunter gets so slept on
quick carbon
it’s not better than arms warrior
copper hare
Survival hunter gets so slept on
don't let artji read this
quick carbon
sorry if my take seems absolutely blasphemous but from my pov that’s how I feel
delicate ginkgo
your feelings are invalid are you should feel bad
quick carbon
fuck u
onyx valve
I think the fact that it fucks with asn so much alone raises its value
quick carbon
it doesn’t rlly fuck with it
It’s just annoying to them
cuz bandage
but rogues still fuck hunter
Really hard
copper hare
btw what's so funny about rogues
if everyone in this game rn is dark iron dwarf
and assa is still the best spec by a mile
you know the game is fucked xd
quick carbon
they complain on Twitter that dark iron is broken btw LMAO
hazy isle
Remember when ppl thought orc human days are over and u can play whatever after the cc reduc bonus
Now everyone is dark iron lol
hazy isle
Oh and nelf for rogues
wheat jay
Where people dont know how to play till like 2400 xD
onyx valve
Where people dont know how to play till like 2400 xD
Even at like 2k, DH isn’t S tier
wheat jay
With good healers and if you can trade well they flop
grand scaffold
yeah
wheat jay
Thing is, disci is so fucking boosted you won't find a good one even above 2400
quick carbon
disc is super fried lmao
wheat jay
Fucking 2300 and they STILL dont use shadow word death on my traps
They don't even try to avoid it xD
quick carbon
solo shuffle in general is fucking ridiculous and an absolute embarrassment
and ppl rlly sit in lfg and post 2500CR SOLO HAVE SIMILAR XP
when they play like absolute tards
wheat jay
Yep
quick carbon
it’s just disgusting
that ppl try to use solo shuffle cr as a showing of skill
when in the actual pvp bracket they’re absolutely clueless
not even tryna sound elitist or anything I’m not the best warrior at all
it’s just so tilt
elfin surge
that ppl try to use solo shuffle cr as a showing of skill
solo shuffle is the only bracket rating matters
u can get carried in 3s!
frank knoll
Solo shuffle killed regular arena sorry guys
quick carbon
solo shuffle is the only bracket rating matters
True based take
I never thought I’d see the day where cr mattered less than a sl warriors cr
I can’t believe how far we’ve fallen
latent harbor
ranking up pvp gear doesnt do anything for actual stats in bgs and arenas right?
quick carbon
how am I gonna eek out 2400 glad with 52% win ratio if the ladder won’t move
grand scaffold
how am I gonna eek out 2400 glad with 52% win ratio if the ladder won’t move
by not relying on inflation
quick carbon
I mean 2200 rn is legit awc teams kekw
thick reef
Is the arms pvp tree in the pins the current best version?
crisp jewel
ranking up pvp gear doesnt do anything for actual stats in bgs and arenas right?
Yeah it increases the stats of the gear I thought
latent harbor
for pve only and everything gets normalised in bgs
crisp jewel
That seems wrong , but considering the track record of blizzard, I don't doubt it
crisp jewel
Ilvl doesn't go up, its just the stats
steel trout
no it doesnt affect it at all for pvp
crisp jewel
So what's the point in rating
steel trout
pve item lvl?
crisp jewel
Lol
Honor upgrades for PvE ilvl....
That is probably the silliest thing I've ever seen blizz do
steel trout
its a great change
bright cloak
So what's the point in rating
Seeing how far can you push it / competitiveness. Transmogs / cosmetics.
crisp jewel
Matter of opinion
steel trout
yeah farming honor for upgrades was soooo fun in shadowlands
crisp jewel
Rating allows you to upgrade gear slightly, and honor just falls in your lap
steel trout
having to farm for honor was the most stupid shit
bright cloak
The less grind you have to go through to participate on a level playing field, the better.
steel trout
^
crisp jewel
Gotta have some incentive for rating. In m+ it allows you to upgrade further . Wouldn't it be silly if valor upgrades only changed pvp ilvl
bright cloak
And I'd be happier if you could effectively transfer honor between alts like you can now send Primal Chaos.
steel trout
Gotta have some incentive for rating. In m+ it allows you to upgrade further . W...
gear difference shouldnt b one
latent harbor
i mean it just ruins it for people starting late
bright cloak
As I see it, the two big hooks for rated pvp participation are 1) seeing how far can you go 2) actually enjoying the PvP. Having to grind gear to be on par only gatekeeps newer participants and alts.
quick carbon
Gotta have some incentive for rating. In m+ it allows you to upgrade further . W...
The incentive for rating is to have higher rating to ego other people lmao
steel trout
sooo fun killing people with no gear cuz they didnt have time to grind honor yet
steel trout
maybe if u enjoy shitting on ppl withotu gear
quick carbon
I’ve never heard someone say the game needs to have a higher barrier to entry
steel trout
arena playing field should be as even as possible
quick carbon
did you not play shadowlands LMAO
steel trout
arena is already hard as fuck to get into for a new player
lets not make it even worse for ppl
quick carbon
rated pvp should be an even playing field
rated pvp should be about who’s better not who’s more geared
crisp jewel
That's why they have matchmaking
quick carbon
ya ur a moron
latent harbor
I'm literally brand new to warrior and pvp, and going into pvp with no gear for the first few days is completely soul destroying
quick carbon
warrior player base is beyond retarded LMFAOO
crisp jewel
It's just my opinion, doesn't mean you gotta like it
crisp jewel
I'm not shamed
quick carbon
Because it’s a stupid opinion
steel trout
seems like u didnt play shadowlands
latent harbor
I've got 3 conquest items and rest honour gear,
If the upgrades let people upgrade conquest gear pst the 424, then I would be one shot by anyone with upgraded honour gear
crisp jewel
It's a very popular opinion actually, there has always been incentive to reach the next rank. That's why people play mmorpgs, it's a little shot of dopamine each time you get new gear, reach a higher rank, unlock etc
steel trout
its not
crisp jewel
Every mmorpg has done this forever
quick carbon
the incentive to reach higher rating is to get titles/mounts/elite sets/tabards but whatever lmao
latent harbor
pvp would be unplayable for alts
steel trout
pvp =/= pve
crisp jewel
It never was for me before
crisp jewel
I've always played pvp, m+ and raid
cinder thorn
If I spell reflect shaman pushbike does he go flying
The lighting push thing
And mage one
quick carbon
@crisp jewel
lean burrow
It's aoe, can't reflect
crisp jewel
Can only reflect dots, dd, st etc
cinder thorn
Shit, why not, I wanna make them go flying
crisp jewel
Lol would be cool
cinder thorn
Surely as a warrior you can pickup that mage, shaman and their mother and throw then off the cliff in eots for example
crisp jewel
Make em think before they blast ya
cinder thorn
We should have a push, shove or throw spell like Garrosh in hots
crisp jewel
<@711682368284393524>
Ok
quick carbon
yes let’s make warriors even more oppressive to get away from
thick reef
Should i be using the arms pvp build in the pins or is there a better one out now?
crisp jewel
We should have a push, shove or throw spell like Garrosh in hots
We have shatter!
Nothing better than smashing bubble or block
lean burrow
Surely as a warrior you can pickup that mage, shaman and their mother and throw ...
Remember thrall easily winning against garrosh?
That's warriors
rotund trellis
Nothing better than smashing bubble or block
crisp jewel
What's the max PvE ilvl with pvp gear with honor upgrade
steel trout
408 for conq gear
hazy isle
They should remove cosmetic rewards from shuffle and rbgs as well. Keep them 3s maybe 2s
I hate how it killed 3s
So much
crisp jewel
408 not too bad for ilvl, although the stats are gonna be awfully distributed. Guess it's good for smashing wqs?
steel trout
the proc trink is good for arm
bright cloak
If I spell reflect shaman pushbike does he go flying
Thunderstorm is indeed AoE and cannot be reflected. Unleash Shield can be, at least I can remember having been rooted on my shaman. Depends on what shields are active when casting.
copper hare
Someone else has the feeling the last 1-2 weeks got extra spicy with queues? Doesn't matter if it's my main with super high mmr or my alt with zero cr, I always have 40+
min queues
lucid walrus
We should have a push, shove or throw spell like Garrosh in hots
we had one once
it was beautiful
crisp jewel
Everyone done unlocking their tabards lol
lucid walrus
legend title doesn’t do anything for me
tabard is kinda neat so i’m retired until it’s not a wash to push 3s
crisp jewel
Only thing I care about is the elite appearance
copper hare
Like you come home, you want to cap your 3 characters and you're in queue 2 hours just for 3 games
drifting jacinth
all about that pimp dragon mount
copper hare
it's literally so unfun
lucid walrus
yeah those weapons are killer
crisp jewel
Always try and get it before season is over since they go away
stark agate
Main reason is dragon mount
delicate ginkgo
all I care for is ranking again in SoM2
stark agate
Classic + soon guys
crisp jewel
Like you come home, you want to cap your 3 characters and you're in queue 2 hour...
I think the grind kept people queuing . Could be wrong but definitely long ass ques for me too
W conq cap gone takes a day or two to get max pvp gear
crisp jewel
Ugh, lucky. Mine taking 15-30 on avg
oblique apex
hello,i didnt convert any tier set item to pvp yet,should i use conquest gear or equip pve set,atleast 2 parts (ilvl 421/415)
crisp jewel
I would use your PvE and convert as you go
I have a couple 415/418 PvE pieces as well
oblique apex
i have full pvp,but my priority is pve,so convering stuff for pve atm,still will try with pve tier
drifting jacinth
Cutting edge would be dope but I'd def sacrifice it for the glad mount
rotund trellis
Speaking of upgrading, this week I should be able to reforge the boots to a 5 star piece
crisp jewel
i have full pvp,but my priority is pve,so convering stuff for pve atm,still will...
Same lol
My prio is raid/m+
That glad mount is amazing tho
drifting jacinth
shits gonna look so badass on my warr
I hope next season's mount is a black dragon
rotund trellis
this is the first glad mount I don't like
also isn't it just a skin for the DF dragons?
this would make it useless everywhere else?
muted surge
You get it as a normal mount as well
thick reef
What sorta gems should we be rockin?
cinder thorn
queued 4 times over the last days, not a single queue was below 40 min
I had instant pop a couple days go
fickle forge
queued 4 times over the last days, not a single queue was below 40 min
Start up OW2 and I have a comp Q in sub-1 min every time.
Same company, more roles to fill and more people required for a lobby, Idk why Blizz can't fix shuffle Q times
fickle forge
Format requires 4 healers, 4 dps and 2 tanks as well
copper hare
Start up OW2 and I have a comp Q in sub-1 min every time.
Same company, more rol...
I start csgo, have a game in 2 minutes
and get flamed by 4 russians
xd
fickle forge
CS:GO doesn't have role Q doe
drifting jacinth
this would make it useless everywhere else?
I mean lets be real everyone wants dragon riding outside of the Lizard Lands
rotund trellis
lol I hate dragon flying, but I know I'm odd
crisp jewel
DAoC had it right man. Lot of you probably never heard or played it, but 3 realms instead of 2, large scale open world pvp
rotund trellis
not being able to hover and fly as much as I please... I don't know.
crisp jewel
Best pvp ever played in an MMORPG
drifting jacinth
That shit would make The Maw less shitty
Normal flying is good if I press auto run and start jerking off
rotund trellis
Normal flying is good if I press auto run and start jerking off
for that the trip from SW to goldshire is more than enough for me
thick reef
I'm just annoyed you can only fly on those damned dragons and not your other flying mounts
At least give the customization options more variety.
And I LIKE dragons.
drifting jacinth
It’s 100% an engine thing
thick reef
Would it have really killed them have other dragon mounts be a customization option for the ones you have?
Like Warriors get the Battlelord dragon as an option like the stormdragon is
elfin surge
buggin is now the most powerful gnome
lean island
buggin is now the most powerful gnome
mud can we see your macro of arms war plz?
nice chad gnome btw
elfin surge
mud can we see your macro of arms war plz?
all my macros? lol
lean island
idk, maybe only most important one
warm portal
#showtooltip mortal strike
/cast slam
Thats the only macro he uses
elfin surge
idk, maybe only most important one
they are posted in my cord i can copy paste them here if u want
its a lot idk which are "important"
lean island
they are posted in my cord i can copy paste them here if u want
yea, if you can
elfin surge
mud can we see your macro of arms war plz?
MUD'S MACROS
- INTERVENE HEALER
#showtooltip
/cast [target=HEALERNAME1] Intervene
/cast [target=HEALERNAME2] Intervene
/cast [target=HEALERNAME3] Intervene
- INTERVENE (mouseover)
#showtooltip intervene
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead] Intervene
**- INTERVENE DPS **
#showtooltip
/cast [target=DPSNAME1] Intervene
/cast [target=DPSNAME2] Intervene
/cast [target=DPSNAME3] Intervene
- FOCUS PUMMEL
#showtooltip Pummel
/cast [target=focus] Pummel
- FOCUS FEAR
#showtooltip Intimidating shout
/cast [target=focus] Intimidating shout
- FOCUS BOLT
#showtooltip Storm Bolt
/cast [target=focus] Storm bolt
- FOCUS HEROIC THROW
#showtooltip Heroic Throw
/cast [target=focus] Heroic Throw
- TARGET/FOCUS TAUNT WITH MODS
#showtooltip
/use [mod:shift,@focus] Taunt
/use [nomod,@target] Taunt
/use [mod:ctrl,@target] Challenging shout
- WARBREAKER BURST
#showtooltip Warbreaker
/use Cosmic Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity
/Cancelaura Bladestorm
/use Saltwater Potion
/cast Blood Fury(Racial)
/cast Colossus Smash
/use Fire-Eater's Vial
/cast Colossus Smash
- RECKLESSNESS
#showtooltip Recklessness
/use Saltwater Potion
/cast Berserking(Racial)
/use Blood Fury(Racial)
/use Cosmic Aspirant's Badge of Ferocity
/use Cosmic Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity
/cast Recklessness
- CANCELAURA BLADESTORM (Its in a lot of abilities)
#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/cast Mortal Strike
/Cancelaura Bladestorm
STANCE MACRO (Works for arms and fury)
#showtooltip
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance
**- CANCELAURA BUFFS (NO SPELLSTEAL) **
/cancelaura Blessing of Freedom
/cancelaura Blessing of Protection
/cancelaura Thorns
/cancelaura Sweeping Strikes
SHATTER/WRECKING
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Wrecking Throw] Wrecking Throw; Shattering Throw
**- WARBANNER (RBG BANNER TOO) **
#showtooltip War Banner
/cast War Banner
/use Horde Battle Standard
**
- HEALTHSTONE **
#showtooltip
/use Healthstone
lean island
wow thanks ❤️
elfin surge
some are a bit outdated, need to update them when I get home now that I remember.
rotund trellis
/use Fire-Eater's Vial
yes.
crisp jewel
/roar
hidden zodiac
is losing haste/vers stats worth the tier piece?
hot solstice
No Swiffty macro
green fern
as arms, with full 424 gear, what haste and crit do i want to be at?
onyx valve
as arms, with full 424 gear, what haste and crit do i want to be at?
Mag was talking about it last night, 2pc full haste or 4pc with 25% crit min
He hasn’t full tested the haste build, but was interested in using it in a full caster match
candid cradle
I run a war at 10% haste and one a 19-20%, both with 4 PC. They both feel solid into diff matches but I've been leaning towards the more haste one recently
radiant hamlet
Hey guys do i have to do 2 overpowers and 1 bladestorm to setup my burst before using spear ?
worn yoke
Only if you’re running hurricane. Exact burst setup depends on talents. But you def want your overpower buff stacked 2x
radiant hamlet
i see. ty
crisp jewel
Anyone notice battle trance isn't activated by CB, only raging blow
But CSHB works with bloodbath AND bloodthirst
Bugged or intended?
rotund trellis
@grand scaffold this is the week I'm climbing from 3 to 3800 with Fury in a single day.
copper hare
is losing haste/vers stats worth the tier piece?
what's your guess, 300 versa for 10% dps
spark oyster
<@668086812140371978> this is the week I'm climbing from 3 to 3800 with Fury in...
Share your learnings. I enjoy fury way more than arms, but it's tough to play..but i also suck at this game
rotund trellis
Share your learnings. I enjoy fury way more than arms, but it's tough to play..b...
I've been playing PVE fury from beta, so I hope I'll get better results, I'm stuck at 1790 with arms. I just need 1850 conquest to get the second sword LOL
spark oyster
i picked up drakebreakers but.. 14 tokens.. need another week
so the honor sword will work for now i guess
rotund trellis
That's a good idea. Also other problem is, all y gear is crit, so I'm fucked anyway lol
spark oyster
i don't have any conq gear except the sword so re-gearing for that wasn't bad. Do you do skirms very much?
spark oyster
Can rogues evasion on odyn's fury + roar? doesnt seem like it.
lucid walrus
sounds right
spark oyster
speaking of spear.. when you guys' get trapped by another war spear and deflect is on CD whats your play?
lucid walrus
deflect meaning spell reflect or parry?
earnest wharf
does spell reflect do anything about spear? I never even thought about that
earnest wharf
ahh cool that's what i always thought
green anchor
speaking of spear.. when you guys' get trapped by another war spear and deflect ...
disarm
spark oyster
lets assume they do the normal go mode w/ spear and they're in bladestorm
green anchor
I guess pop def stance and rallying shout, ignore pain
assuming that by ''deflect'' you meant Die By The Sword
¯_(ツ)_/¯
spark oyster
yeah :]
spark oyster
deflect meaning spell reflect or parry?
die by the sword yeah
spark oyster
lmao.. yeah. I noted there wasnt much one can do really.
i try for the disarm before the bladestorm but, yknow it aint perfect.
lucid walrus
if they're playing unhinged then they can smack CS into a bladestorm proc'd avatar in the same global
shit sucks
spark oyster
yep that's usually how i get gotted.
green anchor
good thing I don't run into other warriors in my games
game is cursed or it's how it works lol
Would take a warrior over an ele or destro anytime tho
lock in every lobby, same with disc priests
spark oyster
some locks I can kill fairly well, others i cant break through.
mild thunder
lmao.. yeah. I noted there wasnt much one can do really.
You can also just leap out
Smallest trade for the best reward, just have to make sure you don’t fuck it up
spark oyster
You can also just leap out
Honestly. Didn’t think that would work bc i thought it would just yank back in.
mild thunder
You have to run far enough out that the tether is about to pull you back in, and then leap and it’ll break the tether
high star
Would take a warrior over an ele or destro anytime tho
maybe controversial arms warrior ss opinion but
i love having ele sham in game because thats almost guaranteed 2 free wins for you when you play thunder
green anchor
idk
one of us gets melted like butter every time
that spec tops dmg while being pummeled
high star
i guess i just played a lot of thunder in my life lol
so many classes that are scary for war just stop being scary when you have ele sham
lucid walrus
thunder's gotta be in my top 3 favorite comps
high star
like destro
lucid walrus
it's like having a spriest that occasionally rolls the jackpot and doesn't know what bubble is
high star
nono thunder is eleshaman/warrior/x
lucid walrus
thunder is the traditional name for ele/arms/x
high star
thunder cleave
high star
yes thats what i mean XD
if you have ele sham in ur game
you will play 2 games with him
so u play thunder twice is what i meant in my first statement
mild thunder
thunder's gotta be in my top 3 favorite comps
pretty much any ranged/dps comp is bound to be pretty fun for warrior
only warr/caster comp i've never tried is arms/evoker
dark sparrow
Yea just sit back and watch him lavalava, go in for pump and bitch out again
However even at 2.4 a lot of shit ele’s that just press wall soon as someone connects to him is giga sad to see
mild thunder
well yea but that's because shuffle 2.4 is borderline 1600 in a regular 3s season
river sedge
mild thunder
sophic devo
sharp meteor
probs sophic devotion ya
spice hornet
whos main is this
badd warr
why is warsong wolf whispering me telling me to kill my self
stark agate
He hit glad in shadowlands bro don’t fuck with him
sharp meteor
why is warsong wolf whispering me telling me to kill my self
lmao
also his name is wolf
yet he is a cringe shirtless upright orc
omg he's on tich and his only glad is unchained
worthy fern
@mild thunder I had more fun as arms dev than destro
Both doing big chunky damage all game
Spear goes are nasty
leaden lynx
wbu?
mild thunder
Spear goes are nasty
spear
mild thunder
why is warsong wolf whispering me telling me to kill my self
sanest s2 glad
mild thunder
~30 mins is pretty regular
worthy fern
@mild thunder not playing spear as war/caster???
mild thunder
playing with a caster doesn't necessarily make spear any better
worthy fern
It does but I’ll give you that the reasons spear can be bad still apply with or without caster
But being able to spear two melee off your caster or spear them in place for damage is def good
mild thunder
most classes are still able to break spear regardless of whether you have a caster on your team
roar still does a fair bit more damage regardless of whether a caster is on your team
disc will counter spear regardless of whether a caster is on your team
classes will manage CDs and play around spear regardless of whether a caster is on your team
sacred pelican
normally play healer, but wanted to play some war. any good guides y'all would recommend?
mild thunder
and you should almost definitely never be taking spear with the intent of using it defensively to peel
mild thunder
looked at murlok.io for builds and gearing already
what else do you need?
sacred pelican
what's the optimal burst rotation I guess
anything with the interaction between talents to be especially mindful of (there's a lot of that in healing)
mild thunder
depends on your build
sacred pelican
the spear build linked in the pins
mild thunder
sweeping strikes > spear > cs > ms > avatar (w/ bladestorm proc) > rotation
fair tide
see alot of arms wars running haste now
mild thunder
haste chads
sharp meteor
ya gonna try full haste on alt warr
onyx valve
Almost have both sets on my war, definitely liked running higher haste +2pc this morning.
mild thunder
you should be running 4pc no matter what...
torpid roost
omg he's on tich and his only glad is unchained
People are so fucking weird about this shit I swear to God
"Omg u were good 15 years ago your opinion is irrelevant" "LOL ONLY RECENT GLAD"
Like, fuck
It's like the old school faux elitism, if I'm 2200, and you're 2199, you're a scrub, if you're 2201 you're fat and have no life
onyx valve
you should be running 4pc no matter what...
Don’t have PvP 4pc on that toon yet
sharp meteor
Like, fuck
ye idk unchained kind of funni especially in the case of warr
dark sparrow
People are so fucking weird about this shit I swear to God
Man I didn’t even get glad s2 SL cause I only started to play pvp seriously s1 and focused on 2s instead of 3s, still got 2.2 in 3s and every time I see someone on that s2 glad Drake I assume their kinda shit since that season glad was a meme
Simultaneously hating myself for not getting the free cool mount but it is was it is doode
ebon sierra
hi, new pvper here. looking into arms.
is it ever viable to macro sharpen to any ability? i know it has a low CD so curious if its worth keeping it off CD or really hold it for gos? thanks!
stark agate
still feeling the crit
How’d you get up to 35% vers? I have almost the exact stats at. 424 but with 32% vers. You playin with a Druid?
past copper
I'm sort of new to warrior
does any1 have a target picking priority list?
at times I feel like i'm just hitting whatever is closer lol
undone pumice
u need to swap targets
like if shatter on cd and enemy pala is melee boobeled u swap to his mate
then can swap back
but in general u go for targets u can acc hit
so resto druids and such
rather shoot off my balls
fair tide
How’d you get up to 35% vers? I have almost the exact stats at. 424 but with 32%...
sorry, yes
mild thunder
hi, new pvper here. looking into arms.
is it ever viable to macro sharpen to an...
no
stark agate
hi, new pvper here. looking into arms.
is it ever viable to macro sharpen to an...
I have it macroed to sweeping strikes, which I almost always press anyways before bladestorms or if I’m just cleaving two people
mild thunder
like if shatter on cd and enemy pala is melee boobeled u swap to his mate
shattering throw
what a shit fucking ability
stark agate
Bruh relax
mild thunder
who's not relaxed lmao
undone pumice
🐴
torpid roost
what a shit fucking ability
srsly, 11 minute cast time
rotund trellis
srsly, 11 minute cast time
you cast it in round one, it hits the paladin after weekly reset on Tuesday
rotund trellis
I mean I wrecking throw
floral nymph
hello friends, i'm kinda new to warrior, which build should i choose? Do I need to have all 3 for different situations or should i chose whicever i feel comfortable?
remote tapir
I don't even take wrecking/shattering on arms
sharp meteor
idk play what seems good
sharp meteor
not having wreck into locks seems feed
torpid roost
wrecking seems pretty good but it's really variable
remote tapir
I dunno the damage is nuts and is constant instead of specifically against absorb or immune
torpid roost
like sometimes it'll nearly delete a monk coconut
other times it doesn't even blow off a priest shield
remote tapir
I've deleted monk cacoon with this build without wrecking or the talent for it
torpid roost
probably is all the damage steroids we have that aren't always up
mild thunder
blood and thunder is just pad into anything with pets
sharp meteor
I dunno the damage is nuts and is constant instead of specifically against absor...
rend is the opposite of nuts
torpid roost
couple procs, demo, crit, avatar, etc
mild thunder
and if there's no pets, you just rend with ss
sharp meteor
blood and thunder is just pad into anything with pets
ya onto 2 targets sweep is enough to keep it maintained most of the time
mild thunder
or you just tab target rend, big deal
sharp meteor
blood n thunder seems decent for bgs
mild thunder
not like you dont have spare rage
sharp meteor
ya or just tab rend when nothin going on
sweeping will rend pets up as well
idk rend on ghouls doesn't do anything
blood and thunder just seems like unironic pad
remote tapir
rend is the opposite of nuts
I don't caste rend directly, just through thunderclap
mild thunder
blood and thunder just offers next-to-no value in reality
sharp meteor
ya seemed weak to me
mild thunder
I don't caste rend directly, just through thunderclap
you realise that's lower dmg, right?
unless you're always aoeing
remote tapir
I mean I dunno, in the games I've played so far I'm normally top damage/dps, higher than any other war I've come accross so far
mild thunder
well yea, probably because you're padding with aoe rend
that doesn't mean the effective damage is good
sharp meteor
i mean spraying rend on pets when it won't kill them or force anything is like the definition of pad isn't it
like rend on 3 ghouls does nothing
mild thunder
i'd much rather a warrior munch through cocoon than aoe rend wild imp no. 413
sharp meteor
they won't die it won't force healing
brazen night
I prefer just using rend, it does more damage than slam anyway
brazen night
And speccing into aoe rend seems like it takes away too much utility
brazen night
For BG brawling for sure
remote tapir
I mean it's been working good so far
floral nymph
are you playing bleeding build?
mild thunder
you can probably push 2400 with a m+ build, doesn't mean it's good
remote tapir
Sec I'll find the build, I'm 27m into solo queue on my lock so I'm not checking in game right now lol
It's this or very close to it: BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWikEJkkkSpkEAAAAQQkIQCUERDJSSSoIRIBARCAAAAAAAAJKJIAENEA
mild thunder
what's the point of running an aoe rend build if you're not taking warbreaker to aoe as well?
floral nymph
so for aoe, bleed build is better?
mild thunder
i mean, you're not really ever building to do more than 2/3-target cleave in arena