pvp

[sharp meteor]

ya but why

hope that's not your only sharpen/ava bind lmao

[rotund trellis]

after I cast warbreaker, then spear, then sharpen and avatar

[sharp meteor]

why are u using ava so late

if it's to break a steel trap or w/e sure

[rotund trellis]

I want to use the spear and have max damage output?

[sharp meteor]

so u use it before u ava

i don't understand lmao

[queen shoal]

does sweeping strikes work like it used to and help bladestorm or is it strictly just aoe/cleave now?

[rotund trellis]

Sweeping>warbreaker>spear>sharpen>avatar

[sharp meteor]

doesn't help storm but affects the unhinged mortal strikes

so in a sense it does help ms

[green anchor]

[onyx valve]

Fake, enh doesn’t exist

[hushed plank]

@cinder thorn I did I got 4% like I was saying lol

[cerulean pecan]

That's how I do it

[unreal socket]

Opinion, Warlords vs Blademaster?

[sharp meteor]

both good in diff situations

i need to play blademasters more into cleaves or otherwise stacked teams and stuff with disarms

no more getting disarmed on warbreaker mmmm

[slender lion]

hunter/mage/ele lobbie, fml

[covert peak]

Do you guys have any weakaura to track externals on urself? Like ironbark?

or PI

[sharp meteor]

ya just track an aura on self

[dark sparrow]

I’m assuming you seen the pika video’s

[frank knoll]

I always avatar/csmash before I spear or anything

[dark sparrow]

Yea unless your playing the blademaster talent

[rotund trellis]

yes, and it's actually effective

I play blademaster

is wowarenalogs legt?

sorry if it's a stupid question

[jagged cedar]

Is it possible to macro sharpen with all your abilities so you can not have to press it on cd lol

[sharp meteor]

Yes, but I would strongly advise against doing so.

[jagged cedar]

Lol why !

[sharp meteor]

Because you're looking to maximize your sharpen goes.

Pressing it off CD is kind of what you'd looking to do, but also structuring your damage around it.

Missing out a pretty extreme amount of pressure walking in with sharpen up then pressing it literally on CD without any consideration for the gamestate.

[jagged cedar]

I see what you’re saying. I’m just bad at remembering to press it lol 😆

[mortal elm]

omg send help

is it too late to queue?

0 cr atm 1500mmr

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/b2e157770fa9f424a9adfdb6fd9cb21c

and so it begins

XD

[lucid walrus]

xp continues to become less and less meaningful

[wooden grove]

Average wait time includes healers insta pop

[sharp meteor]

lol

lmao

[green anchor]

I get up to 30 min Qs at 1500mmr since morning

[mortal elm]

oh my god

[mortal elm]

damn thats so wrong

idk if i should 2v2 to climb instead solo shuffle

i only want 1800 for tmog

this queue times are unrealistic

[mystic barn]

Enjoy the disc assass only gape in 2s

[steel trout]

it was bound to happen

[steel trout]

i think all disc assa starts at 2k by default

[mystic barn]

nah, it’s 1800

[steel trout]

1800 disc assa u go kill disc in opener

ez

[mortal elm]

i dont need to push more than 1800

[mystic barn]

Was 2050 or whatever in 2s like a month ago, all assass disc, played with 1200 friend all assass disc to 1800

yea I only train disc

Stupid obnoxious class atm

[steel trout]

bro u can go plug in xbox 360 controller and get 1800 in shuffle

[mortal elm]

yeah you can

easy

but you wait 20 min per match

[steel trout]

is fast brother

[mortal elm]

and you cant win 4-2 consistently

[mystic barn]

ya bc there’s too many arms warrior competing for a spot in the shuffle

Just do fury or something

ur playing a popular spec (assuming ur playing arms)

[copper hare]

why does 3-3 sometimes count as a win

and sometimes as a lose

thats so fucked up

like I just queue for vault cap

[green anchor]

I usually get +0 from a 3:3

[polar marsh]

It depends on the lobby rating

If your in a higher rated lobby and you go 3-3 thats good

If your in a lower rated lobby and go 3-3 you suck

[frank knoll]

Yeah I hate the blade master talent, I play berserker instead

I wanna make a healer alt, anything but a disc/hpriest and I’ve never healed before

I’m between hpal, MW, Prevoker and rdruid, which is the most beginner healer friendly?

[green anchor]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DgrLx5aozKk?feature=share

this is so funny

[mortal elm]

is this real thing?

[mystic barn]

no it’s all fabricated and made up

[jagged cedar]

Does Sharpen count on the mortal wounds applied from bladestorm

[sharp meteor]

It interacts with Unhinged but not Bladestorm itself.

[frank knoll]

Wait do queue times differ based on spec ? I thought it was just role

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, fotm specs have longer queues because there's more of them queuing.

The system tries to avoid having duplicates, or too many duplicates.

[green anchor]

That's funny I've played 200 games and haven't seen a single Arms warrior yet

rounds, not games

1 Fury today

[polar marsh]

I’ve played with a couple arms

But ya I mostly see fury

[copper hare]

I had a couple shuffles with double arms already

But decent mmr

[torpid roost]

haaaahahahahaha

[dark sparrow]

I’d say rdruid, just don’t go for dumb cc compromising positioning, stay on a pillar and pve heal

[frank knoll]

Sweet yeah, no Mmarkers big dick plays and I’m good. I’d worry about my mana efficiency as rdruid since I don’t know what I’m doing

[frank knoll]

Makes since, come to think of it on my lock I have like 5min queues as demo and 10-15 min as Destro

[sharp meteor]

Mhm.

[mystic barn]

getting 3-4 hour queues was super exciting and eventful

wfh moment

[dapper cypress]

Guys worth to stack 2 op 2 exec and then ms or always use MS?

[tribal wedge]

you should press MS on cd, except if you want to build a big ms for your burst, where you can stack 2 op

[dapper cypress]

Thx mate!
Just warching streams and they make dmg! Im somehow behind with my dmg. Pvp ilvl 422 and 10% haste 23-25% crit

[mortal elm]

nice healer diff

[quick carbon]

healer diff isn’t real

just do more damage and go 6-0

EZ

[worthy fern]

They all equally suck

[quick carbon]

I hope one day

they just make solo shuffle

1 round

[tribal wedge]

why?

allowing people to blame rng for their slacking?

[worthy fern]

It’s 100 percent rng

Like 60 percent of the time

Just have to manage 3-3 for most of that 60

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-60-60percent-60percent-of-the-time-it-works-every-time-gif-20673938

[worthy fern]

And then win the rest

[drifting jacinth]

shoudlve been 1 round from the start

turned a shitty minigame into ranked pvp

[mortal elm]

waiting 20 min on queue for 1 round tho

damn

[frank knoll]

I’ve only gone 6 and 0 on my lock, so stupid easy to play, coil+fear healer then do big dam

[mortal elm]

getting 2-4s and 3-3s for 20 min waiting kinda sucks too

[frank knoll]

Best I’ve done on warr is 5/1

[cinder thorn]

Dude I tried healing, it's funking hard

I hated it

Unless they make warrior heal spec I'm not doing that shit

[unreal harness]

for fury,. do we hit execute everytime its up if we have 4 pc?

[cinder thorn]

I found that it's good for dps yes

[thick reef]

Somehow got solo shuffled with a gladiator who told me to just shut off my brain and "Zug".

I will now embrace the zug.

[sharp meteor]

I mean the issue most people have is that they try to do stuff other than damage

which costs them damage

[wheat jay]

Sometimes I do like 5 globals that do 0 dmg ;__;

Survi life ain't easy

[wheat jay]

And then I do my MAXIMUM dmg rotation

20k mongoose bites on warrior

[copper hare]

feels so weird speccing into fury

and playing on 1.5 mmr

lol

[sharp meteor]

f tier specs buff when

need crushing blow charge yep

[oblique grove]

I am wondering if roar>spear? It seems like almost every class can break spear

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I've been playing roar most games and it feels good.

There are still instances where spear can be good, like if you're gonna pin two people who aren't going to be able to easily get out, and/or they have a healer who doesn't have a good cd for it (dome is the big sad).

[oblique grove]

I feel that seems like most every game has a disc priest too lol

[sharp meteor]

Mhm. Roar on 2-3 people during warbreaker if you don't get peeled is a lot of damage.

Blademaster also lets you reliably spin insta on warbreaker then spit out to avoid cc.

[copper hare]

time to play bm

hit 90k kill commands

jump your way to 3k

[wheat jay]

Nah

I was 2360 today ;__;

Dropped to 2200

Next time I'll have it

[mortal elm]

man i think at night its NOT sane to queue solo shuffle

after 12 am

like jesus 30 40 queue times around 1k cr

5 pm is best ? since ppl come back from work etc

[thick reef]

I wasnt tilted but wew it is frustrating when people make bad calls in solo. "Target Hunter"
Ok, no problem. So you're gonna help CC it right?

I proceed to be kited for 90% of the match as my team mate uses all their CC exclusively on the enemy healer

[glossy sable]

Yeah I've given up on SS as of today. I had two matches in an hour and a half.

[sharp meteor]

Warr generally has decent uptime on Hunter.

There's also just adapting to w/e the team is doing.

[lean burrow]

you got stun?

wtf

[thick reef]

Maybe I just dont know how to handle hunters but on this one I was constantly kited. If I ever got in their face I'd get one, maybe two attacks off, then I'd be stunned, slowed, disoriented, trapped, or slapped with one of the other enemies CC's and they'd be a mile away.

I only ever have trouble like this with hunters.

[mystic barn]

hamstring / piercing howl moment

[thick reef]

Kept it on yes, I have a weak aura for it

[candid cradle]

1.5 hour total in q and one dodge 🤣 zero games

[copper hare]

you know what I don't understand

why shaman knockback doesnt dr

[sharp meteor]

bolt freedom don't waste mobility if you don't have to and swap if they're gone

you'll almost always be able to stick damage during cds

will lose uptime from time to time between scatter kncok their teammates cc etc but generally warrior smacks hunter around

[worn yoke]

I’m around 1800 in solo shuffle, just went 4/2 and only got 5 rating. Is that normal?

[oblique grove]

is it worth using 411 tier over 424 pvp gear for arms?

[jagged cedar]

What’s the correct opener with spear build

[copper hare]

if you gain 2 set yes, if it's only 4 set, then no

[oblique grove]

thanks

[patent walrus]

does anyone have a macro for changing stances

[worn yoke]

Mud has one in the pins

[patent walrus]

ty

[mild thunder]

That really depends. A hunter on its own? Pretty easy. A hunter with an rdruid or frost mage peeling for them? No thanks

I’ve versed way too many bm/rdru teams in 2s lately. Worst players on the planet but they just run and jump around

[queen shoal]

do yalls use MS on cd or do you try to stack overpowers first?

[tardy flame]

On CD, but there are times where it can be wise to stack double OP before going in with MS

E.g., you're about to swap targets and do a huge go, you can double stack OP on your current target, then hard switch with a fully buffed MS

[queen shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-andy-dwyer-omg-shocked-face-meme-gif-25585329

[jolly narwhal]

warlords or blademasters torment for rbgs? And I assume spear is the play for rbg as well?

[mild thunder]

the best build for rbgs is to stop queueing rbgs and queue arenas

cmon dude

[wooden grove]

[jolly narwhal]

oh my b. I didn't know we shouldn't be doing that content

[mild thunder]

it's okay, beginner's mistake

just dont let it happen again

[wooden grove]

RBG are fine but arenas are the goal

[jolly narwhal]

why do I always see you making these smartass replies lmao

is this not a support disc

[mild thunder]

no

this is a soloQ waiting lobby disc

[wooden grove]

Honestly checks out

[jolly narwhal]

cancer to the community

[wooden grove]

Lol

[mild thunder]

if you want a serious answer to your question, spear and TRoar both works for rbgs, just depends on what's on the enemy team

bmt and wlt both fine as well, but imo bmt is just meaingless pad

unhinged is super low value because the ms procs are going on random targets that you cant control

[wooden grove]

Spear and blade masters is likely the go for any team fight heavy map

[drifting jacinth]

that grand marshal title do look sick

[mild thunder]

honestly i disagree... rbgs are naturally filled with a lot of specs that counter spear (lock, dk, dh etc), and the spread pressure from roar is probably gonna net you greater value than a 6-second lockdown

[wooden grove]

Depends on the rating tbf 1800+ there’s enough coordination that spear can guarantee kills better than a roar can

[mild thunder]

that can also be flipped tho

at 1800+ there's enough coordination between 3 healers to save people from spear every single time

[wooden grove]

An argument can be made

[mild thunder]

i'd say spear is good if you have something that can seriously pump into it, like ele or destro

[wooden grove]

Definitely need to be able to take advantage of it

[sharp meteor]

i feel like it's more as to what the enemy is

like hunter can't deal with it

if their healer isn't a pala/priest or w/e

[mild thunder]

yea said that earlier too

but most rbgs are full of dk, lock, dh, disc etc that all have really good stops or escapes for spear

[sharp meteor]

o ya for rbgs just playing roar and

spamming dam seems solid

but i don't rbg so ikd

[mild thunder]

yea if/when i do run rbgs, i just run an aoe rend build with 1 min roar

you still have great ST kill pressure with sharpen + sks or w/e and get good spread pressure as well

wannabe uhdk

[indigo barn]

In RBGs in any serious rating, you are the target caller. Unless enemy comp is giga melee, run roar. You will have ranged do most of the cleaving

It's very rare for ranged to kite you for a long time in RBG teamfights unless they are gonna die

[indigo barn]

Would run spear for WSG, TP and kotmogu

[oblique grove]

what can we do against demo locks, they roll me every time

[sharp meteor]

hit them with stick

[torpid roost]

LoS the lock, and not your healer, wait for their cds to fuck off, insert two handed sword sideways on rectum (their rectum, if this was unclear) - their CD damage is effectively untankable

[lean burrow]

kick demonic fire on tyrant (mob itself)

fear tyrant if they don't have pit lord

low mmr mostly run pit lord talent while higher mmr don't

kill fel obelisk every 45 sec

[sharp meteor]

Zoning into a BG and seeing this.

[lean burrow]

fotm rerollers?

[mild thunder]

[slender lion]

How do you guys deal with frost mage.

Facing that with resto sham in 2s.

[mild thunder]

For the blind, Arms is the light.
For the hungry, Arms is the bread.
For the thirsty, Arms is the fountain.
For the sick, Arms is the cure.
For the prisoner, Arms is freedom.
For the liar, Arms is the truth.
For the traveler, Arms is the way.

[topaz tulip]

What addon/wa is that?

[topaz tulip]

Do you ever play in for the kill to fuck with healers? Like yeah, you lose out on the extra haste during cs, but then doesn't the strength after it expires and they think they're safe help?

[lucid walrus]

iftk is the haste one

ik what you mean but test of might is str

[mild thunder]

ToM is nerfed by like

80%

[bright cloak]

Looks like BattlegroundEnemies

[topaz tulip]

Yeah I had it backwards. Meant to ask if you use ToM. But 80% nerf? That's disgusting

[mild thunder]

yea ToM is terminally ass in pvp

[grand scaffold]

Hahahahahahahaha

1 minute of sharpen blade

[fickle forge]

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.

[broken nest]

Sure is

[hollow ore]

chanting this shit like a mantra whenever I tag into range cleave so I don't lose my mind

[mild thunder]

@steel trout

[dark sparrow]

just line it bro

[mild thunder]

310k in one global

[muted surge]

Just reflect it

[mild thunder]

i reflected one a few seconds earlier

does like 20k when you reflect it

[lean burrow]

take rebound

[fickle forge]

If you had Rebound and reflected he'd have died

[mild thunder]

if blizzard would nerf glacial spike i wouldn't have died

[fickle forge]

Chad improvement mindset vs virgin victimhood mentality

[mild thunder]

D:

friendly fire

[spark oyster]

Got’ damn. Do they usually hit that hard? I have a frost mage and dont get em that amped on frozen targets. Wonder what that guy was running or if you were debuffed?

[copper hare]

If he's able to freecast before that, yes

[mild thunder]

i was too busy mongoing to stop his casting

[steel trout]

[elfin surge]

CDew said “2400 in Shuffle is an entry level rank in PvP”

I find this statement to be offensive for a vast majority of the community who find that 2400 in Shuffle is just as hard if not harder than 2400 in any other bracket of PvP.

I would say 95% or more people who participate in PvP do not have a friends list of people they can queue 2s and 3s with at a moment’s notice, most us do not like LFG as evidenced by the death of the old brackets, and for a majority of us Shuffle is the only game viable game mode currently in PvP.

A ton of people are happy to even get to 1800, and why shouldn’t they be? People can finally play the game and improve and not rely on LFG, and the primary people who for some reason hate this are elitist 3s players who are salty that no one cares about their bracket anymore.

We should celebrate 1800/2100/2400 in Shuffle the same way we celebrate it in 2s and 3s.

[polar marsh]

You can’t reflect glacial cause Ice lance travels faster😄

[lean burrow]

new copypasta

[polar marsh]

Now that everyone and their mother plays warrior I think we have enough people to start a petition to buff spell reflect

[lean burrow]

[lean burrow]

we already got buff

it now works for 5 seconds with magic wall

[mild thunder]

same forum poster said "Bro break 2100 before you speak to others, respect your direct superiors."

[polar marsh]

It reflects all spells for 5 secs?

[lean burrow]

no

it gives 20% wall

it used to end when you reflected a spell

now after you reflect you keep the 20% wall for 5 seconds

[elfin surge]

[polar marsh]

Sounds useless as fck

[lean burrow]

20% wall on 25 seconds cd

you are useless as fck

[polar marsh]

Ok

[elfin surge]

Ok

[mild thunder]

Ok

[echo musk]

Ko

[steel trout]

bro spitting 🗣️ 💯

[warped warren]

ok

[frank knoll]

That’s true though, nobody give me af about the other brackets aside from the 15 people who’ve been doing arena for 30 years

[warped warren]

[frank knoll]

The OP of that forum post kinda lost me when he said a 2400 player in solo shuffle is the same as a 2400 player in 3s skill wise

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/cdew-said-2400-in-shuffle-is-an-entry-level-rank-in-pvp/1526598/4

[topaz tulip]

Alright but lets be real, is 20% enough with all the caster lobbies? Is reflecting one spell enough when half the time literally anyone could pop it at the last second knowing you're gonna try to reflect? Maybe i'm dumb, but I'd rather they boosted the cd to 30 or 45s but let it reflect all spells while it was active. At least you can breath that way. 20% of 200k Is still half your health chunked from one ability.

[topaz tulip]

Don't think you can even compare. A three's player normally has an actual team and they communicate don't they? Meanwhile in shuffle you're basically hoping everyone else around you knows what they're doing while you do what you can. Coordinated gameplay will almost always come out above randos thrown together and expected to work.

[frank knoll]

Yeah, shuffle is difficult in that way

[topaz tulip]

See > LFR vs guild raids

[frank knoll]

Kinda have to yolo and hope people do the right thing

[lean burrow]

difference is still big even if you account for coordinated play

2400 dhs blur air, line healers and use the hunt out of gate

[topaz tulip]

Think that's more an issue with bracketing in wow than people actually being bad. I've seen dh all through 1200-1600 that played better than that. Maybe they've gotten there, maybe they haven't. Either one wouldn't surprise me honestly.

But then, again, maybe you've always seen this stupidity and it just stands out more in ss. Idk

[frank knoll]

It’s weird that a guy like CDew,who’s been a pro player for like a decade has a strong opinion on the bracket most regular people play. That’s like Steph Curry shitting on people playing Thursday night pick-up games at LA Fitness

[worn yoke]

You are correct but that’s his point. Shuf is a lower league.

I love shuffle but I’m not confused about the fact that it’s much harder to gain a high rating in 3s

Seems like Reddit is triggered though

[warm portal]

WoW players are just emotionally attached to a broken rating system for a small mini game inside a giant PvE game

[quasi lotus]

because Cdew is boomer as fuck and his dream idea of healthy wow state is the same 15 pro players playing each other every year forever until they're all 90

and everyone that isn't a 10 year awc competitor he just invalidates

[warm portal]

Youll always see a lot of gatekeeping from people that have been at the top for years

All it does is discourage new players in a game mode with an already small player pool

[noble moat]

shuffle do be lots easier

shittons easier

and people who are offended by that statement are probably people that hit 2.4 or close to 2.4 for the first time ever, but in shuffle

[green wyvern]

true

[steep cairn]

I need some help with cooldown usage in arena, I’m a noob and I’m struggling to secure kills. I think the problem is I just go full send right away and bash into their wall/defensive. Is the object to get them to use defensives without using your offensives? I need to stop using my go into a wall but can’t get them to wall without using the go?

[frank knoll]

No matter what you accomplish in PvP someone will shit on it.

2400 in shuffle? doesn’t count shuffle is a meme bracket. Got glad once? Doesn’t count, you only got it once. Got glad multiple times? Doesn’t count, got it on a broken spec or during inflated seasons etc. Consistently get glad every season? Doesn’t count you aren’t rank 1? Got rank 1? Doesn’t count you haven’t been a rank 1 for the past 10 years.
People always find a way to cope

[noble moat]

well some things are absolutely stupid from these very high rated people

like oh youre 2.4k? thats piss low dude youre so bad

like bruh, 2.4k is WAY above average fuck u talkin about

but the solo shuffle thing

cmon man, 2.4 solo shuffle is definetly easier than 2.4 in 3s bracket

[pale minnow]

man doesn't matter, solo q is all luck and rng if you get good team and your healer plays good with u then ye it's your lucky day, if monkey healer decides he won't press a button on you even tho he free and not loss then it's shit day for ya

on 2.6 got 2.2 healers who are uncapable of even breathing oxygen

if you put a monkey in front of pc at least the monkey will smash all buttons

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/flexing-flex-arnold-arnold-schwarzenegger-body-builder-gif-18454197

[mortal elm]

hardest thing about solo shuffle is queue times

[copper hare]

yes, holding your shit for one hour is the real struggle

[mortal elm]

is it really worth to wait 30 min for a game though

[copper hare]

I did it again yesterday, decided to go for a quick poop after 45 min queue

[mortal elm]

rating gain easier than 2s?

[copper hare]

got insta fucked

currently yes ofc, hard cap for non r1 players is like 2.2/2.3 in 2s/3s rn

[dark sparrow]

I just go out for a smoke, and just stare at my screen through the glass door. The second i look away, QPOP

[copper hare]

but there is 1.8 max xp people 3k in shuffle

[copper hare]

I need a wireless headset for toilet sessions I swear

[mortal elm]

well i wonder if you can get 60-150 rating from 4-2s in shuffle

below 1800

if yes maybe its worth it

[copper hare]

Yes ofc if your mmr is like 150-200 higher than the lobby mmr

[dark sparrow]

Wireless would indeed be turbo good but I like my current one and that one wireless is couple hundo euros

[frank knoll]

People forget how shitty regular LFG is, that’s the reason a lot of people quit PvP

I’m glad there’s a way to solo queue

[dark sparrow]

Sure lfg is ass, but if you aren't dogshit yourself and aren't socially incapable, you just add the good people you find to your friendlist and go from there after a while

[mortal elm]

yeah you play with regulars after some time

[copper hare]

Nah doesn't matter

[frank knoll]

I remember spending longer in LFG than solo queues

Esp when I mained an enhancement shaman, so I was stuck playing turbo

[mystic barn]

Yes I was getting upwards of 400 rating for those games

it just launched me to high rating extremely fast it’s kind of a joke

[copper hare]

yeah, 2 premade dps searching for a heal in lfg is raw pain

sometimes it takes days to find a heal

and then they leave after first loss because they think they can do better

[frank knoll]

Tbh

A lot of healers wanna be carried by good dps

[copper hare]

we tried to find healers to finish our glad wins in SL and it literally took weeks until we gave up, it's insane

[frank knoll]

Or they do get carried, and don’t realize it, and think they’re better than they are

[copper hare]

ye, a lot of healers that get glad in bfa by playing some caster shit and they're completely overwhelmed when they have to heal melees

or actually react to cooldowns

[frank knoll]

/10char
SL season 3&4 holy priest

[pale minnow]

imagine saying bridge map is a melee map xD

[torpid roost]

l m f a o

what level of delusion is that

then again I got told I wasn't doing enough damage (2.1mil) by a boomkin doing 1.1 mil

[onyx valve]

I’m assuming he’s going to say he got trained all game and couldn’t do any damage because of it

[torpid roost]

... damn dude, you're good

that is literally exactly his excuse when I laughed his critique off

[frank knoll]

Even so, 70% of their stuff is insta casts. 1.1 is low for a boomy, easily should be top damage

Boomies are always top damage when I queue into them, even if alot of it is pad

[copper hare]

arguing with people in solo shuffle, that's how a dolphin must feel while swimming with retards

[onyx valve]

Yeah 1.1m is sad, with decent positioning on the opener they can do half that

[torpid roost]

I mean, I could've remained silent while he called me a piece of shit

or, tell him to stop being a f** and play the game (preferably, play it better)

[copper hare]

Nah, best thing is to ignore and just say nice things

you don't get banned and he gets triggered even more

best tactic

[torpid roost]

I meet kind with kind, and open nice to strangers

come at me sideways, expect at least a moderate clap back

[mortal elm]

should i first buy weapon or tier pieces?

[torpid roost]

I did get a week long mute because someone got bumflustered once, lmfao

there's no cap anymore, so doesn't really matter, just play more, but I would lean towards weapon

[mortal elm]

it will take weeks for me getting full conquest gear at this queue rate

but i see thanks for answer

[copper hare]

yeah best thing is to get 1-2 mates and spam queue 3s on low mmr for conquest

and do daily rbg

[pale minnow]

cute, innit?

[torpid roost]

LFG it up

fuck SS to gear out

[grand scaffold]

what cr

[onyx valve]

Why use some homophobic slur though, just ignore him

[grand scaffold]

i can garantee you nobody here is scared of homo people

[torpid roost]

Yes, don't use slurs in the game about murdering people, that would be unconscionable, and that word is definitely homophobic (it's not)

Should i have stayed above it all and given him a princess highground lecture about anger in video games? Called him a shit eater? (But that's a slur against people that eat ass, which is like 84% of millennials that get laid)

[grand scaffold]

😂

people take things too seriously these days

also idk wtf slue F** is

does it mean fab?

like

fabulous

😂

[torpid roost]

I called him fabulous, yes, which is a slur against guys because of their impeccable fashion sense

[grand scaffold]

😂

[pale minnow]

2.4 rn

[grand scaffold]

nice

[jagged cedar]

nothing like some homophobic war chat

thought we were better than that

[onyx valve]

Apparently it's okay here and I'm just a snowflake

[jagged cedar]

id expect it in the DH discord but not here

[grand scaffold]

why is it called homophobic

who tf is scared of gay people

[onyx valve]

Do you use the same ignorant logic to justify racial slurs as gamer words? Normalization of hate speech in general is dangerous and no one should have to explain why to someone who's even remotely intelligent. Just let it go at this point, agree to disagree.

[grand scaffold]

do you really care that much

like even if he used the gay racial slur do you seriously think its to insult somebody about being gay

no

its a rage

very simple

[wooden grove]

You’re not wrong but Twitter says using a slur that was previously used in a homophobic manner is in itself an act of homophobia

[onyx valve]

So it's okay to dropped the N bomb if it's out of rage and not meant to be derogatory against that group

[wooden grove]

Even thought anyone born after 1990 knows that word is not used in a homophobic way 99.99999% of the time

[grand scaffold]

that is literally completely different

[wooden grove]

Ngl logically, yes but societally no

[onyx valve]

Logically, it's still normalizing hate speech.

[grand scaffold]

if you're black yeah ide assume so

[wooden grove]

Logically hate speech is when it is used in a manner to disparage members of that group

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[wooden grove]

Or else any black person saying the n word is also participating in explicit racism

Because of the historical use

Funniest shit is when people go to jail for assaulting people who use words they don’t like

[grand scaffold]

people go to jail for that?

😂

[jagged cedar]

sitting here shaking my head at this shit.

ignorant as hell

[torpid roost]

Hate speech is used in hate towards a marginalized group. Shitty druids who opened with the insult are not marginalized (though they should be). It's not so much "snowflake", more wet blanket

[torpid roost]

Also, this.

[jagged cedar]

....

[torpid roost]

Save your sanctimony.

[onyx valve]

There's an unbelievable amount of research and academic discourse around the normalization of hate speech. Regardless of whether or not it is used in a derogative manner towards marginalized groups, the use of it has a normalizing effect. That normalization leads to increased feelings of bigotry, and ultimately, violence. Nationalist and fascist regimes throughout history has used the very same tactic, all of that aside, it's still against the server rules.

[torpid roost]

In some parts of the west you'll go to jail for either. In the UK you can go to jail for quoting rap songs if you're white (there is legal precedent, this literally happened)

[grand scaffold]

😂

[torpid roost]

Remember - your speech is violence, but my violence is speech

[grand scaffold]

literal facts

[mortal elm]

man idk after playing 20 rounds winning or at least getting rating is really feels hit or miss , i feel im doing something wrong

having full honor gear without tier shouldnt affect that much?

[grand scaffold]

post gameplay

[mortal elm]

right?

[grand scaffold]

full honor gear

oof

ide try to farm that

[mortal elm]

enemy having 410k hp

while me 340k

like even low cr

wtf

[delicate ginkgo]

do your dmg rotation

and you will get 1800 minimum

go to a dummy and hit it for 20hrs

[mortal elm]

man i know how to do damage

ill post a video some time when i manage to record

idk

[torpid roost]

Post footage, we can help, if you're playing correctly it's luck or a gear issue

If that's the case, it will even out over time

[mortal elm]

i have been hit 2200 in season 2 and 3 of shadowlands but it was 2s

[gloomy walrus]

What is the exact damage rotation? I feel like i have the weird issue of I have positioning and awareness and lose pve matches. Been that way since BFA

[mortal elm]

kinda struggle having 6 man on same arena

too much going on

[torpid roost]

I dunno, I'm 1800 and I literally just hit buttons, are you playing spear or roar?

[mortal elm]

i play roar

[delicate ginkgo]

just play more then. if its to much inputs/stimulus

only answer

que it up

[torpid roost]

So do I as of recently - technically spear is better but I got sick of missing spears

[gloomy walrus]

ya i might go back to roar my selfesteem can't be sustained with these spear whiff

s

[delicate ginkgo]

roar and spear wont change your rating much

[torpid roost]

Well, it has a pretty nasty delay on it

[delicate ginkgo]

just que it up

post a vid for better feedback

[gloomy walrus]

Oh nah i dont think its gonna change my rating it just feels so bad lmao

[torpid roost]

If you can force a trinket/ immunity without it, then stun into spear, that's almost always a kill

[gloomy walrus]

How often do you guys double overpower before MS?

[delicate ginkgo]

when ms is on cd

🙂

[torpid roost]

If I'm not going to kill immediately, I do that pretty much every time I have a cs lined up

Set up for a big ms

[fickle forge]

Roar is more dmg and more straight forward, if you can't get the value out of spear, just default to pressure then 😎👍

[torpid roost]

Also when totem stomping, warbannerkilling

[slender lion]

this is the build like top arms warr on murlok is running, TC

[onyx valve]

Get HHTD, you can have it set a big healer icon over your healer, practice knowing where they are so you can play defensive/LOS when needed. At low rating, especially with Roar, I'd go agro early and build pressure; low MMR healers don't deal with it very well and if they try to go for an aggressive play, pressure + a well timed CC can end a game quick. PvE/cleave whenever you can, just win off raw damage.

[gloomy walrus]

ya i think imma spam some games and work on getting my damage better. Im not exactly sure why i suck at PvEing

[mortal elm]

That would help a lot

[gloomy walrus]

what does HHTD stand for?

[mortal elm]

Im a PVE main anyway, so dealing damage wont be that issue

any addons for pvp you can suggest to make my life easier?

[steel trout]

mes weakaura

[onyx valve]

Healers have to die, addon but I think curse has it as HHTD

[onyx valve]

Uh, WA for sure. Mes’ package is amazing, I wouldn’t go and add everything all at once as it can be overwhelming. Get HHTD and learn tracking your heals, then Mes WA to see when enemy has CDs popped so you can trade effectively.

Watching enemy pop CDs so you can bolt, fear, disarm, etc can save someone and may prolong the game for you to swing it your way

[gloomy walrus]

ty

[mortal elm]

thanks a lot

[fickle forge]

Swap EP for imp. Exe Imo

[mortal elm]

i just cheked someone eleses video and he has 400k hp and tons of damage

kinda need some gear for sure

[mortal elm]

ep kinda bad for pvp i think not as impact as pve

[fickle forge]

That's what I'm saying yes

[green anchor]

@mortal elm get the Infurious helmet and creps

[mortal elm]

creps?

[green anchor]

boots

timbs

[mortal elm]

well arent they will stay very low

without infusions

and i need to do pve content for infusions?

[green anchor]

sure

[fickle forge]

Not like PvP gear matters that much anymore

[green anchor]

10x M+ 11s lol

[fickle forge]

Honor gear is fine for anything below top level

[green anchor]

it's dumb tbf

[mortal elm]

idk man even at low level its kinda harsh to have 60 70k hp diff vs enemies

[fickle forge]

What's your rating goal?

[mortal elm]

1800

doesnt matter bracket, currently trying shuffle

[mortal elm]

what happens if i use them with base

[fickle forge]

Yah just focus on improving then

You can get 1800 with sub-400 ilvl

[mortal elm]

i have pve toons already, running x10 11s for my pvp character seems idk

[green anchor]

idk can you trade the infusion between chars?

[mortal elm]

nope

[onyx valve]

Warriors don’t really use created gear that requires infusions

[green anchor]

385 ilvl but not sure if it affects the PvP ilvl

[onyx valve]

Infurious stuff scales in PvP

[green anchor]

does it go to 424?

[onyx valve]

421 or 424, idr

Infusion just affects PvE ilvl

[green anchor]

ait

[mortal elm]

morning my mmr was 1500, with 1300 rating, now i, ha 1100 mmr with 1200 rating

[green anchor]

I'm out of Sparks sadly lmao

[mortal elm]

ah really?=

nice

[fickle forge]

Yah, so you just need to improve and not worry too hard about min maxing your gear

It'll help, but you're better off investing those hours in getting better

[onyx valve]

NA or EU?

[mortal elm]

eu

[onyx valve]

Once you setup HHTD and the WA pack, queue 2s

Get used to the UI changes and reacting to CDs

Stay in LOS, kite with healer when needed

Your gear will upgrade over time

[fickle forge]

Shuffle is def the easier way to get 1800

[onyx valve]

No need to get 1800 right away though

[fickle forge]

If elite mog is all you want, just hit that bracket till you make it

[slender lion]

only 1 lost every round lol brutal

[green anchor]

1337

[fickle forge]

Leet

[slender lion]

ya

[rough raven]

What % haste should I have for Arms?

[slender lion]

and? lol

[onyx valve]

See a lot of people between 10-15

[ocean dock]

Is there a BiS list for Fury for PVP?

[green anchor]

Is the stat Proc trinket better than the Use one? Apparently the Proc one procs like all the time

[rough raven]

Damn. I'm at 9% right now.

[onyx valve]

Isn’t going to make or break you

[onyx valve]

I see more proc than on use, good uptime and on use doesn’t line up with CDs well

[nocturne snow]

what is the best way to gear up an alter pj for pvp?

[green anchor]

course I copped the Use one lol

[onyx valve]

Comp stomp next month lol

[green anchor]

I use it with Avatar

[nocturne snow]

so...what is that? XD

[rough raven]

I do feel like I'm doing better right now in PVP. I still have to get my ratings up, but seeing myself usually at top damage, or close second as of late. But still trying to be sure I keep the stats good

[green anchor]

game's unplayable against Ele

topping dmg while being trained by 2 dps

[fickle forge]

Solution is to not train ele 😎👍

[green anchor]

I let mates do the call who to focus since I have no idea

[lean island]

Streamer is an entertainment job

[sharp meteor]

What playing several thousand games on Arms in Unchained and not getting a dragon does to a man

[mild thunder]

There’s no way that isn’t a troll

[green fern]

finally got fully geared for arms, and tell myself ill go try fury in acouple solo shuffles.. didnt think about the stat difference from arms to fury xD got little haste

[radiant tapir]

hey guys im new to pvp, i do fairly well against most classes as fury, but i just cant beat arms warrior, can someone give me some tips?

[spice hornet]

lmao lowkey some of the high rated streamers do nothing al lday but play woW

[frank knoll]

Damn I bet it smells crazy in there

[spark oyster]

If they’re slow, I disarm the sec I see spear before they can avatar or BS. If I get stuck in it I might trade the wall or press impending victory to recover hp. Idk, I prob need more tricks vs arms, too lol

[earnest wharf]

leg enchant - do you go fierce for the 105 stam, or frosted for the 177 armor cuz armor gives a little bit of STR too?

105 stam is pretty tiny health right? something like 1k?

[dark sparrow]

Gotta respect Mes his schedule bro, that man is a machine

[mortal elm]

well i got only 30 rating from 5 win wut

sadghe

[steel trout]

mmr diffd

[mortal elm]

how to make your mmr higher than your rating?

[lean island]

which build is recommended for low cr arms?

[muted surge]

Win streak

[earnest wharf]

pvp gear can't randomly roll tertiary stats or sockets?

[mortal elm]

i dont think so

[thick reef]

Only from welfare box

[sharp meteor]

Only out of vault and the stats aren't active in pvp.

[muted surge]

Sockets shouldn’t be either :<

[sharp meteor]

u get a socket a week

[muted surge]

Ye but it’s unnecessary

Just fucks pve boys :(

[steep cairn]

Are there any comps where you’re looking to use the battlemasters trinket?

[sharp meteor]

ya when ur scared of being blown up and want another safety net

[copper hare]

Guys

I just saw the most insane thing

I don't think anyone in this game has more games, HOLY

https://gyazo.com/f5946ebda506a7638551dfe3edf5288e

[wheat jay]

Wtf

1244????

[copper hare]

DUDE

the amount of games

my eyes

how is that even possible

[wheat jay]

I have like 500

[sharp meteor]

He going ham with the queues.

[wheat jay]

And that feels like fuckton

[sharp meteor]

My warrs have like 80, 20 and 150.

[wheat jay]

I should have rolled warr this patch instead of survi

I tell that to myself on daily basis

And yet I still play that god forsaken spec

Trying to get 2400 in SS

[copper hare]

I dont have 100 wins yet on like 2.7

only daily win :D

[sharp meteor]

ya i only played games if team wasn't on for 3s and i needed vault

[wheat jay]

I cba my dude

[sharp meteor]

150 games were worgen alt warr that i wanted to gear

[copper hare]

I can't bother sitting in queue all day

I rather play keys

[copper hare]

worgen... just no man

[wheat jay]

I have to do acrobatics on my dick to win and some bitch just dies without using any defensives

Ehhh

[sharp meteor]

Crit and movement speed.

[copper hare]

but they're hairy and full of lices

[sharp meteor]

Werewolves are cool and edgy.

[copper hare]

is lices even the correct word? xd

dunno

[sharp meteor]

I think that the plural of lice is lice.

[copper hare]

Makes sense

[sharp meteor]

Maybe louses?

[wheat jay]

Iirc its lice

[sharp meteor]

Anyways, Darkflight storms feel nice. Dying to Deathmark doesn't but we go next.

[onyx valve]

Deathmark and dwarf is the most egregious racial since Wrath human, change my mind. Relentless orc was BS too but damn.

[sharp meteor]

Nerf deathmark, make it undispellable. Or at least not a bleed.

[wheat jay]

Nah keep it

I mend it xD

[copper hare]

bm hunter players

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[spice hornet]

Holy

Shit

[topaz tulip]

So, berserker rage is supposed to make you immune to incaps right? Do disorients not count? Just got smacked by one with a pally, immediately after popping it

[spice hornet]

You found @full quiver DH alt

[topaz tulip]

It's because elo hell is real

[lucid walrus]

they don’t count, nah

berserker works on fear and incap types

[topaz tulip]

So basically, the only thing we have that can remove a disorient is trink? Or do you just need to take damage? Don't really know how those work

[onyx valve]

Makes so much sense they’re a DH too

[topaz tulip]

I promise you there's a salty ass rog and a shit tier sp in the same boat

[onyx valve]

I woulda thought an ele who just turrets and doesn’t kite, certainly some MM hunter

[topaz tulip]

You prolly right

I shouldn't be talking shit when I"m half way there though

[onyx valve]

My niece is like 800 MMR and has definitely seen people with like 500 games

[keen silo]

is it just me or does arms feel so bad to play since the patch dropped. there so much pet classes everywhere

[topaz tulip]

Dps just feels more consistent

[quick carbon]

Arms feels incredibly good still

you just can’t UNHINGED BABY OWNED pet classes

[rotund trellis]

back to 1600s on ss. I hope this push will bring me to 1800

(ps I know i suck I started PVPing literally 20 days ago lol)

[frank knoll]

Nice, I hit a milestone last week and haven’t logged on since

Decided I needed to detox a little

[topaz tulip]

Two questions, one, what was the effectiveness on FBV in pvp? Two, is it worth it to give up two points in cruel strikes on the left to pick up endurance training even though either one of the points before is wasted?

[mortal elm]

i take gathering storm vs pet classes

idk if it works

[topaz tulip]

And actually, question 3 - do yall take warbreaker into all these pet classes or just stick to bi?

[ebon pivot]

Nice dude. Climbed back up to about 1621 on Wednesday I think? Haven't touched SS since. Said I'm ending this week on a high note lol

[topaz tulip]

I should have done that. Got to 1693 and thought I'd push the last hundred. Dropped to 1340 from people getting smacked in the first 30s

[cyan pagoda]

When you guys are playing against pet classes with bleed build, what do you guys get instead of unhinged? Seems like it doesn't add much value. Fatality and execute?

[quick carbon]

hurricanes awful

[drifting jacinth]

I never knew how gay dh's were until I joined their discord

[topaz tulip]

You're only getting one point for dropping unhinged. But FbV, bloodletting, and sharpened blades are all options people run with

[cyan pagoda]

Tbh them and hunters have been FARMING me.

[drifting jacinth]

prolly got a nice ass

[cyan pagoda]

I'm undead so doubt it. 😭

[topaz tulip]

The number of times I've seen them say "why are you even talking? Are you 3k cr?" to different people is fucking wild

[drifting jacinth]

everybody's an expert

Their discords pretty funny tho ngl

[topaz tulip]

It feels so terrible to take off warbringer when it by itself is securing kills for me

@mild thunder Tagging so I don't forget later. It looks like ToM is only 50% reduced. Seems like about +10% str gain though so prob not worth.

[digital lake]

I just got my warrior to 70 and went 6-0 in my first solo shuffle and it sky rocketed me to 2k mmr somehow. I don’t understand how the mmr system works.

[topaz tulip]

You start at 18 and whatever you get for wins and losses will raise or lower you from there til your cr catches up

Although it may just be an achievement scan for starting mmr. Haven't figured that part out yet

[digital lake]

If it was 1800 that would make sense but it was 1500

[topaz tulip]

What was your highest rating?

[digital lake]

My highest rating before leveling my warrior?

[topaz tulip]

ya

Assuming you were on another class, or is this just start of season for you?

[digital lake]

In Df I’ve only played to 1800 for mogs. Previous seasons I’ve gotten to 2100 and I’ve played up to 2400 mmr but that wasn’t this xpack

[topaz tulip]

So 18 then. Looks like above 2k people have been starting at 17-1800, so maybe it just drops like 3-400 and assumes you'll do fine? Can't tell how it's calculated tho

[digital lake]

It skyrocketed me to 1990 after one 1500 game. Doesn’t make sense and idh the gear for that rating

If you see my picture my current rating in that match was 1500

[topaz tulip]

someone in here went up to 18 with honor gear on their alt

[digital lake]

Sorry mmr

Well hopefully I can climb pretty quick to get the elite mog.

[topaz tulip]

Well yeah, 18-3 = 15 | 21-3=8.

[wooden grove]

Chill with the hieroglyphs this is warr disc

[topaz tulip]

lmfao

[digital lake]

What do you mean 18-3? Lol

[topaz tulip]

The pve boys will be proud

[topaz tulip]

#pvp message

[digital lake]

Oh I see.

Maybe 🤷🏽‍♂️

is 4 set> weapon
while gearing

I mean which is priority.

[topaz tulip]

weapon first. 4 set is trash for us, but considering you've already got the catalyst charges for it, maybe just get it since it's 2 pieces of gear for the same price?

[digital lake]

The 4 set is trash? Why wouldn’t we prioritize the pvp pieces with more resil then? I see all the top warriors have 4 set

[sharp meteor]

It isn't.

You definitely want both tier bonuses, at least as Arms.

[mild thunder]

you lose incredibly little for taking the 4pc

3/4 have versa and either crit or haste on them anyway

[topaz tulip]

The bonus effects aren't that impressive, but it helps, and it still gives you pretty equivalent stats. So maybe my words are wrong. It's not trash, but it's not all that great either.

[sharp meteor]

Literally ignore the above poster.

[mild thunder]

it aint gonna knock your socks off, but it's free damage

but that's most tier sets atm... they're all designed to be mellow and relatively weak

iirc arms actually has one of the stronger bonuses this tier

[topaz tulip]

pve nerds would disagree with you, but maybe that's true for pvp purposes. a chance at 5% increased crit/dam for 6 seconds when classes like dh run through with flat 8% dam procing from every slash in death sweep? Output is less consistent than other classes. Maybe with more crit.

[copper hare]

It's flat damage and crit chance on top of that

It's one of the strongest Sets in pve aswell with roughly 10% overall gain

[mild thunder]

pve

but yea 10% is pretty good in comparison to other bonuses atm

it's not SL s3 where specs are getting +30% from a tier set

[digital lake]

Okay sooooo should I get weapon first or tier set? Lol

[mild thunder]

weapon

[digital lake]

Okay, that’s all I need to know. Me smack ppl with big purple weapon or blue weapon. Me no care

[copper hare]

You don't need to believe that, but pve is definitely the better content in wow.

[drifting jacinth]

especially for new players

[sharp meteor]

A bonus could give anywhere from 5 to 10% more damage and you'll still have people going "but i lose 0.3% defensive vers i dont wanna be squishy".

[mild thunder]

don't burst my bubble please, my ignorance is bliss

[topaz tulip]

sounds like fun

Assuming we aren't already squishy >_> that magic dam hits like a truck

[pale minnow]

listen boyz, they shall delete solo q on next season, cuz things won't change ... there won't be more healers and less que times , so better go back to the original pvp routes, because this is like a pest, ruining it completely. 3v3 dead, 2v2 is a joke as well. we became slaves to a dogshit system misjudged by savix(who's not even playing the game), he should apologies to blizzard and all the players who can't enjoy the pvp they wanted

I'm sick of 50min que times i just wanna play this shit game

[digital lake]

I like solo shuffle.

[mild thunder]

what is that retarded, demented take

[topaz tulip]

bruh did you type all that or is that a shitpost from the forums?

[sharp meteor]

Utterly fried post.

I hope it's pasta.

[digital lake]

Play a healer for instant ques. The longest wait I had tonight as a warr was 18 mins

[topaz tulip]

^

[copper hare]

Play a healer in shuffle if you wanna uninstall the game as fast as possible

Hf

[rotund trellis]

Also priest's set this season is chefs kiss

[mild thunder]

play a healer in shuffle if you wanna be admitted to a psych ward

shit looks fried af

[pale minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/436244830771740673/1077277564353138759/image.png

when u get shit like this

we'll talk

[mild thunder]

i have

lmao

[copper hare]

Rookie numbers

[pale minnow]

then you are mentally dead already, exactly what I was talking about

[mild thunder]

no, i just play 3s now

[pale minnow]

nothing to cry about then

[mild thunder]

i aint the one crying

[topaz tulip]

just shield more you'll save everybody, and to more damage while you do. It's almost like the whole concept of a paladin was thrown at priests

[pale minnow]

exactly, cuz u have nothing to cry for if you ain't waiting an hour for q

[copper hare]

Except for the fact that blizzard disabled the automatic mmr increase before the season started

And now you only fight r1 at 2.2 mmr in 3s xd

[sharp meteor]

I think they were afraid of the early Sinful thing happening again but everybody was in shuffle.

[mild thunder]

im shocked they underestimated shuffle that much

[sharp meteor]

Why push 1700 with 2 buddies in 3v3 when you could be 2400 shuffle

[mild thunder]

surely they knew the effect it would have

[topaz tulip]

Why? They went 20 years without ever implementing soloq cuz they "didn't think people would be interested"

[drifting jacinth]

blizz loves outdated systems

[pale minnow]

this is literally some dogshit moba game design

[mild thunder]

well to be clear, shuffle isn't popular because people are "interested" in the mode

it's popular because it's accessible

i'd wager most people would prefer traditional 3s given the chance to play with a competitive team and a less-deflated season

[topaz tulip]

This is true. But then, 2's and 3's have been inaccessible for a lot of people, and therefore - there's a base that can use it that were never in pvp before, or were in for very little.

[drifting jacinth]

most people would prefer solo que

but actual 3's not some minigame bullshit

[sharp meteor]

wym actual 3v3 lmao

i remember people saying u should be able to pick ur comp

imagine the rogues who try to queue rmp sitting there for 2 hours waiting for a priest

[drifting jacinth]

nobody wants to assemble a group of rando's just to get squashed by a meta comp

[mild thunder]

this is how people reinvent lfg

[drifting jacinth]

not the 6 player bullshit

that shuffle is

[copper hare]

3v3 is also 6 players

[sharp meteor]

idk if u know but 3v3 is 6 players

[copper hare]

[sharp meteor]

[drifting jacinth]

okay but not swapping the teams

[mild thunder]

yea but that's not real 3s

[copper hare]

Hahaha

[sharp meteor]

rated skirms would feel too coinflippy

also imagine 9 minute queue just for teammate to die opener

[mild thunder]

so... skirmishes?

[copper hare]

Shuffling the players around is definitely the best and most fair solution

[sharp meteor]

i swear nobody thinks about the suggestions/ideas

[drifting jacinth]

yea I forgot those were a thing

[drifting jacinth]

no it aint

[copper hare]

Ofc it is

[drifting jacinth]

just for people to throw games in round 3 or 4

[mild thunder]

no, i'd love to get a gimped out player on my team, be unable to carry and not get another chance in the same lobby

it's a great idea

[copper hare]

Wtf am I reading

[sharp meteor]

yeah it'd be such a frustrating headache

[topaz tulip]

How do you scale peoples mmr when one person is the weak link like that? Can't even really say it's the same as solo. If you end up with the bad player all you do is tank mmr and it's a waste of a match.

[sharp meteor]

sort of like people say they want solo queue 10v10 rbgs and then it's just gg they got bear gg they got 2 warlocks gg no rogue etc

[drifting jacinth]

its literally the same shit in shuffle but an even bigger time waste

[sharp meteor]

idk what u mean by this cos everybody has roughly the same mmr in shuff

healers can be higher or lower but they only klepto mmr from each other

[copper hare]

Then don't play it

Go play csgo

[mild thunder]

had that exact convo here about a month back... had to explain to this guy for ages about how overly complex the algorithm would be and how ridiculous the queue times

[copper hare]

Instead

[drifting jacinth]

I forgot wow players love stupid bullshit in their games

WoW brain

[sharp meteor]

ya would legit wait 15 minutes to get into an unwinnable game that everybody is tilted out of the gates

[copper hare]

Dude you can't even calculate 3+3

[mild thunder]

"oh, we have mostly melee and they're a lock/boomy team with a bear? this'll be fun"

[sharp meteor]

[copper hare]

Talking about wow brain

[sharp meteor]

warrior mathematics

too much fury

[mild thunder]

[topaz tulip]

What I mean is, current system allows you a chance to at least go even and not lose mmr if there's a single weak link through the whole game. The alternative he's asking for means that they would either have to just let people eat shit from someone tanking their mmr even harder than current setup, or have some form of safety for when that one person is dying all the time. Unless it's a single round match and not even a 2/3 thing

[copper hare]

Such a bad troll straight from tokyo drift or something

[drifting jacinth]

technically you play with on rotating teams with all of the other 5 players

[topaz tulip]

I mean I'd love that fight, long as we can shitroll the lock

[drifting jacinth]

normal three's its just your 2 mates and thats it

less time consuming instead of stupid swap shit

[topaz tulip]

oh, gala, I had questions

[mild thunder]

less time consuming, less fair, less enjoyable, less pushable... less of a lot of things

[copper hare]

He's fried

[drifting jacinth]

how would rated skirmish be unpushable

[mild thunder]

because every lobby would be a complete cointoss

[drifting jacinth]

you mean like shuffle?

[topaz tulip]

@mild thunder #pvp message 3 questions

[mild thunder]

now i haven't queued a lot of shuffle in a few weeks, so they may have changed it and im not sure

but you still rotate teams, right? or am i a fucking retard

[topaz tulip]

Nah that's the system

[drifting jacinth]

its called shuffle lmfao

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[copper hare]

Let's be honest here, doesn't matter what kind of system they'd implement into this game, you would always blame other people and think they're the reason why you're unable to climb

Am I right

[mild thunder]

you're right

[drifting jacinth]

how tf is that even relevant

yall are just throwin words out and not even elaborating

[mild thunder]

FbV is fine, not great. i take it in most of my builds now
the 5% stamina thing isn't really worth it imo, seen a lot of people doing it now. you're wasting 2 talent points into a 5% stam boost. the other effects do not stack with bstance, and they're things we regularly break with berserk anyway

[fair tide]

Musculature

[copper hare]

Cock

[mild thunder]

balls

[drifting jacinth]

Peniron

[topaz tulip]

Awesome, thanks for the info. And is it warbreaker into pet classes or keep bi? finding myself mostly using bi lately

[mild thunder]

my builds are getting wackier every time i play... even started dropping improved exe here and there

[mild thunder]

eh, probs warbreaker

[drifting jacinth]

y'all are the type of mf's to defend key depletion or the mythic lockout

[mild thunder]

🤨

[digital lake]

What’s key depletion

[mild thunder]

are either of those things supposed to be bad? lmao

[drifting jacinth]

you love getting your time wasted

[mild thunder]

why invest any time or effort at all? "hey blizz, i paid my monthly sub, can you give me my glad mount now?"

[drifting jacinth]

you're right its not about having fun

getting punished is equally important as fun

[copper hare]

I mean this conversation feels worse than any key I've depleted so far

[mild thunder]

"punished"

god people that use language like that for a video game make me cringe so fucking hard

[drifting jacinth]

then wtf is key depletion then

"momentary setback"

[mild thunder]

technically the reason systems like key depletion exist are because if you're failing a key, it's heavily implied you are neither good enough nor geared enough to do it

hence it gives you an easier key

[drifting jacinth]

why not just keep the key the same

[mild thunder]

because they couldnt fucking time it

[drifting jacinth]

so you get shittier loot now

[mild thunder]

have you ever done high jump before? even in school or whatever

[drifting jacinth]

the punishment is that you have to waste more time to get your key back to where it was

how tf does that make anything fun

[copper hare]

L2p issue

[mild thunder]

1. it's a 3ilvl difference, big woop
2. that gear is upgradeable

[topaz tulip]

"You get shittier loot now" Actually, the vault still gives you loot regardless of key time for that level as long as you complete it. And one of two pieces of gear drops because you didn't complete it in time. That's not even real punishment. It could be legion. You could get nothing.

[mild thunder]

good point

but noooooooo, blizz hates us and wants to waste our time!!!!!!!!!!

[drifting jacinth]

"it could be even shittier design"

how tf is it not a waste of time

[copper hare]

You can literally farm full 418 gear by depleting 16 keys

[topaz tulip]

Honestly feel like they're doing a better job of listening to their base and implementing changes so the game doesn't feel shit

[copper hare]

How the fuck is that punishing

[drifting jacinth]

you deplete keys two times

[mild thunder]

maybe learn how to play and stop depleting keys lmao

[drifting jacinth]

now you have to do it 2 more times

[mild thunder]

if you're depleting 2 keys in a row, you're shit and dont deserve to be timing them

obviously

[drifting jacinth]

maybe you're speaking from the unemployment perspective

or lack of responsibility

nobody has time for stupid shit like that

how tf are you gonna get people to think this game is fun lol

[copper hare]

This guy haha

[mild thunder]

i work full-time, a key takes like 30-40 minutes and up until >20s they're easy as shit

even most >20s are easy as shit

[topaz tulip]

because the point of rewards is to say "you successfully did this accomplishment, and this is what you get for it." It's a concept every fucking digital game runs off of. Do you magically get the extra items in GoW for not beating the last valkyrie in either game? fuck no. The fact they're giving you literally anything is miracle enough.

[mild thunder]

unironically fuck off to another game then... if you dont think it's fun, and you're here anyway then you're probably an addict and should focus on other things

[drifting jacinth]

bro the time waste between those two games is not even comparable

[drifting jacinth]

im saying this to make the game better to attract more players not taking my skill level to account at all

[topaz tulip]

Idk man, I could waste 10 minutes on a single fight, and it sure af didn't take me 3 matches to beat them

[mild thunder]

"i almost killed that DS3 boss, but when i had to try again they reset his health. this is a waste of my time and bad game design"

[topaz tulip]

[drifting jacinth]

you're right ds3 wastes as much time as wow

[mild thunder]

weird how people find challenging games fun

[drifting jacinth]

its not like WoW has extra logistics problems in it

[mild thunder]

i sure hope my mmo doesn't adopt those concepts

[topaz tulip]

Games waste as much time as wow. it's a thing they do. BEcause people play games to waste time and walk away from whatever bullshit they currently have to deal with

IF the bullshit of the game is too much then yeah, maybe walking away is the answer. Find one that doesn't piss you off and you do feel accomplished in

A lot of people out there recommending ffXIV

[drifting jacinth]

how games waste your time is subjective. Most games dont give retarded logistics problems like finding 4 other players who wont fuck up your experience

[mild thunder]

literally any online game ever btw

[topaz tulip]

That's true. Most games are single player, not mmo.

[drifting jacinth]

mmo is a dead title

[mild thunder]

💤

this is so boring, i'm out

[drifting jacinth]

nah yall are just ignorant of the problems cause they dont affect you

yall wonder why this game doesnt retain new players

[bitter lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-baby-baby-crying-crying-baby-gif-25803638

[drifting jacinth]

zug brain

[topaz tulip]

MMO is a dead title when they carry daily populations of entire countries despite time in existence? What? Homie, go to sleep. You aren't even processing your own arguments right now.

[drifting jacinth]

its a retarded genre to use cause most games are massively multiplayer nowadays

gta online is an mmo

[mild thunder]

You’re the one that said it lmao

[topaz tulip]

I"m confused by your point? Are you nitpicking my diction because I said MMO and didn't specify RPG? Homie this is war chat, you know wtf I meant

[drifting jacinth]

depends on if you think the shit I criticize WoW for is an "mmo only" thing

which it isnt, Lost ark content doesnt even waste your time as much as WoW does

excluding gamba

[pale minnow]

sigh... where is calibri when u need him...

[mighty fractal]

casual 211k touch of death into 80k mongoose loool

thats what i get for intervening my rogue partner

[earnest wharf]

for multiple MS effects, the highest reduction one overrides like in RBG's where half the group has some heal reduction?

rogue puts on his 24% and when our rampage hits 3X to stack to 36% it takes over?

[indigo barn]

Nope

Always 24

[topaz tulip]

Going off of word of mouth, but I've heard that intentional or not, fury just won't stack if someone else has one applied

[earnest wharf]

dang tooltip for slaughterhouse says 3% stacks up to 12 times, maybe that's only for PVE?

[topaz tulip]

No, that's exactly what it does. Game just won't layer multiple healing reductions

*multiple sources for healing reduction

[earnest wharf]

damn! that would be a decent perk if we got a bigger reduction than almost anyone else

[topaz tulip]

The only reason it seems bigger is because it's longer. Havoc and arms for example have 50%

but half the duration

[earnest wharf]

the 50% is only with the sharpen talent for 1 MS right? you can't refresh it until the talent is ready again, but base MS is 24%?

[topaz tulip]

true

[pale minnow]

havoc has 50%? isn't that nerfed to 25% in pvp?

[topaz tulip]

I'll get back to you on that

[earnest wharf]

i'll try to test it out, if it's the only effect on and we can get it to 36% on fury, it may be worth going out of the way to not have teammates that have heal reduction in 3s maybe. Like hunter would use different pet, rogue different poison, etc.

[mild thunder]

correct

[mild thunder]

Not sure what you mean by pve (it’s a PvP talent), but slaughterhouse will never stack when there’s an existing ms on the target because it’ll only ever count the 3% stack

[mild thunder]

Arms and fury do get bigger heal reducs than anyone except assa

[earnest wharf]

ahh ok, but if i'm the only one with heal reduction, I can get it to 36%?

[mild thunder]

Yes

[pale minnow]

6/6 wins woah no caster golden life, love it

best shit you can get as warrior

[pale minnow]

some dude declines the que for the 6th time

[slender lion]

Yeah I got slapped with 200k touch of death last night from a monk
That shot hurts 😢

[pale minnow]

guess what happened again

6/6 but this time our special guests were 2 warlocks

so after i won my first game 6/6 the game still decided to put me vs lower mmr people

wtf is gonna be 3rd game then?

[mystic barn]

Hiding name

[pale minnow]

why?

noone cares

[mystic barn]

Seems like you do

[pale minnow]

well, kinda sus since you mentioned it

[mystic barn]

kinda sus ur hiding it

What are you hiding

[pale minnow]

now see this is what makes it interesting

the mistery

[mystic barn]

sure until u can just look at ladder

It’s whatever just think it’s funny

[pale minnow]

sure take your time, look at ladder

[quasi lotus]

you forgot to hide it in every other screenshot

[pale minnow]

yoooo mf you alive! man i missed ya calibri still dead?