pvp

[grand scaffold]

friendly advice dont que on na right now

shitsters playing

[dapper cypress]

guys is crit still the way to go? currently at 23% crit and 12% haste
dont know if i should switch my drakebreaker belt to crit or haste

[hot solstice]

How do u like the lobbie?

[mild thunder]

it is genuinely a lot of preference

[regal isle]

is it rly bad to not have crafted boots? i bought conquest ones and then realized crafted shit is bis

idk what to do

[dapper cypress]

cap is removed, farm trough it

[regal isle]

can you feel the 5 % cc reduction tho?

[feral heath]

Sometimes yes sometimes no.

[bitter dust]

Weak and squishy, they are.

[obtuse coral]

is it worth to use 411 shoulders for 4 set?

[worn yoke]

Yes, especially if you’re playing the talent that buffs the initial damage of spear. Also good to have sweeping strikes up already before you burst, as well as a 2 stack overpower buff

[slender lion]

i have 30% crit just now, 13% haste, (outside of pvp)

can i afford a lil haste or still go straight crit vers?

which neck do you chads suggest?

current stats oputside arena in pvp gear

fuck it went for crit vers

[worthy fern]

Lariat is good but I think crafted helm is better for war

Does a ton of dam

Oh you meant between crit and haste

Yea go crit

[onyx valve]

Went helm too, I went for ~15% haste rest into crit

[pearl sleet]

@grand scaffold do you stream?

[slender lion]

been using lariat since i didnt have 424 neck. ill make the helm when i find another spark lol

gonna put vers/haste gems into it tho

since my haste now 9% lol

also lariat is good but not for me atm since it doesnt have vers as im prot warr main

[worthy fern]

@slender lion look up what top wars are using tbh im not sure

I don’t have access to high Lariat

[slender lion]

yeah i did, top warr in 3s is using stam/vers

also using same neck i got

[worthy fern]

Might be > helm

Ok

[slender lion]

they are using helm and boots for embellishments

thtll do for now 🙂

happier with vers stat too now

[worthy fern]

Looks good

[slender lion]

also i recently changed my enchants too speed

didnt have nay before lol first time i checked out murlok.io

i still need to swap out some gear but im 422, so not bad.

[obtuse coral]

bruh fury is so boring

[thick reef]

Just live for Sudden Death procs and your 90 sec CD kill window

[elfin surge]

lol

[worthy fern]

Xaryu f tier lmao

[grand scaffold]

nah i never really have the time

xaryu does have dumb ideas a lot

[dawn remnant]

anyone know if its worth changing conquest gear into tier?

[obtuse coral]

Yes

If you can get set bonus 100%

[dawn remnant]

i wasnt sure cause the states seem not as good for pvp. cause thats all i am doing currently

[grand scaffold]

you know what sucks

below 2400

dh's go -06

6-0

healers cant handle them

its like literally so cringe

same with dk's

down 170 points because of it

[small tendon]

Is annihilator build better than raging blow build for pvp? I tried it out and I really couldn't get used to not having a spam ability, also felt like I was just doing less damage, what do you guys think about annihilator?

[shut barn]

Dh does so much damage

[grand scaffold]

not as much as before

[shut barn]

Even bad a bad dh does so much

[grand scaffold]

like ngl it isnt that insane

well yeah

2 - 4 button rotation

[shut barn]

Nah I don’t say they outdamage me by far

[grand scaffold]

yeah

idk

the fact that healers cant handle them

is just annoying

[shut barn]

But I killed a dh in 3 globals with spear and he didn’t react and died and this same dh out damaged me on almost every other rounds

[grand scaffold]

dumbass question

but do fury sudden death procs matter more than bt

[grand scaffold]

is dancing blades or titanic rage better?

[fickle forge]

What

[copper hare]

WRONG DC

xd

[fickle forge]

Sus

[copper hare]

you

[sonic spoke]

guys, im new

fuiry pvp or arms?

[steel trout]

arms better

fury easier

[sonic spoke]

😄

[balmy ingot]

Why lobbies are full of mage frost boomie ele and lock omg

for war is bullshit

days ago was 2700 now 2200 and cant climb anymore

[terse cipher]

is pve gear already viable in pvp? was matched with a 300 hp war, he did good damage and wasnt a pushover. about 2 pieces of pvp gear, rest from pve o.o

[topaz tulip]

What he means is, it's easier to just walk into pvp with fury, but also expect to be shit on somewhere between 1.2 and 1.8 and just hate life, because if you took the time to learn arms you'd probably go farther

lmao

[steep plank]

BT is more important especially considering gushing wound

[topaz tulip]

Do yall use alacrity trink or ferocity? Been thinking to swap in more crit but also I don't want more buttons to push ;-;

[grand scaffold]

yeah i think you're right

execute procs do crank

but you arent tanky enough if you dont spam bt

so between titanic rage and dancing blades

whats better?

[thick reef]

what are the 3 pvp talents arms should be using?

its not in the pinned

[grand scaffold]

warbringer

warbanner

sharpen blade

[thick reef]

kk thnx

[grand scaffold]

if you need disarm drop warbringer

[thick reef]

whats the reason for not using the execute perma charge?

nvm just saw it has a cooldown

[grand scaffold]

it was op af when it didnt have a cd

[topaz tulip]

When it didn't, that was literally my favourite

[thick reef]

shiii they rly nerfed it wtf

damn man

[topaz tulip]

god I miss legion

Honestly considering how free all the roots and slows are for every damn class now it needs a comeback

So sayeth scrub me

Speaking of talent changes, am I crazy or are there zero balance changes in .7 for war?

[grand scaffold]

i havent seen any

[topaz tulip]

The note page I saw stopped at lock and I tilted

[grand scaffold]

so does anybody know whats better between dancing blades and titanic rage

they both seem good idk

[topaz tulip]

Depends on if you went with the whirlwind build or not?

[thick reef]

what gems should be in the neck

[fossil mortar]

Dancing blades is more ST damage and rage gain, titanic is more AoE burst damage

[grand scaffold]

so in solo shuffle whats better

[topaz tulip]

if you went rb def take dancing blades

[grand scaffold]

rb = raging blow?

[fossil mortar]

If you go CB go titanic

[topaz tulip]

ya

[grand scaffold]

whats cb

[topaz tulip]

crushing blow

[grand scaffold]

i play annihilator

so idk whats better for that build

[rotund trellis]

I wouldn't wish solo shuffle lobbies at 1500 to my worst enemy

[topaz tulip]

lets back up. Right side of the tree, did you take improved ww and meat cleaver?

[grand scaffold]

no

[topaz tulip]

dancing blades

[grand scaffold]

ok

how come

[topaz tulip]

Those two talents are for the aoe build. Ww does trash damage without them, and titanic would give you two more cleave charges

[grand scaffold]

but doesnt titanic make odyns fury hit like a truck

[topaz tulip]

Sorry, cleave is another talent. Is 10% dam on of worth the extra auto dam when you already speced to buff autos?

[grand scaffold]

idk

[thick reef]

anyone got any intervene macros?

[grand scaffold]

maybe im not asking the correct question

[topaz tulip]

Idk, personal opinion is that the build you're looking at right now is best buffing autos as much as you can and taking smf

[grand scaffold]

1 sec

[topaz tulip]

match starting, brb

[grand scaffold]

this is what i got

smf is troll

[weak wedge]

Tried a round with that

[grand scaffold]

how was it?

[delicate ginkgo]

just make smf a transmog option

[weak wedge]

I couldn't output enough pressure 😄

[delicate ginkgo]

idk what blizzard are smoking

[weak wedge]

Went back to arms, think I'm done for today

[weak wedge]

And they killed my teammate every time, it was arms/surv/ww/me as fury, 2/4

[fossil mortar]

I see 316 - 0, and see you won 316 in a row? I am confused and scared.

[thick reef]

wtf is the warlock ss faster than the warrior one? im at 33min and on my warlock it was only 8 min

[weak wedge]

If only 😆 reflex doesn't count losses

[fossil mortar]

So it is useless data

[topaz tulip]

So like I said before, personally feel like a build using auto buffing in pvp I think is really only gonna be good with smf

[noble moat]

2-4 game and you gained 20 points

okay

[topaz tulip]

haven't really simmed it though, don't have another 1h

[grand scaffold]

idk im never gonna run smf

its not worth 2 talent points

it also isnt worth my stamina and secondary stats

[weak wedge]

Mmr higher than Cr by ~70 pts

[noble moat]

i played some 2.6 mmr games as 2.4, went 2-4 and lost 30 points

idk

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its just luck

like i myself was on a MASSIVE winning streak yesterday

lost only 1 game

rest were just wins

or draws

204

2-4

-48

like what sense does that make

like even with all the winning i was doing

going from 1600 to 2300

mmr and cr were the same

:/

[latent harbor]

I've just maxed a warrior and want to get into pvp, what is the best way to get honour gear, just farming RBGs, if im bad btw,

[grand scaffold]

just play random battlegrounds

shouldnt take you too long

🙂

epic battlegrounds are best btw

[weak wedge]

Isn't it calculated per round depending on partners/enemies ?

[grand scaffold]

if you are getting bored during them

press rp walk

and autowalk

[latent harbor]

lol

[grand scaffold]

idk

but like either way

makes no sense

[grand scaffold]

literally

just change your direction every once in a while

[topaz tulip]

I mean I agree on the stat loss. As far as dps goes though, it should be about the same.

[grand scaffold]

not really

you lose strength

a substancial amount

[topaz tulip]

Yeah but the massive modifiers on those autos and the increased fury gen should balance it

[grand scaffold]

and it costs 2 talent points

increased rage generation from what?

[topaz tulip]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DAQEERUUEgZUQRphEQEBEOVVERVRFBVQmUBQBA

[grand scaffold]

this was last expansion but i asked in fury channel they said smf hits more times and less rage per hit

titans grip hits less times but more rage per hit

idk

thats just what i heard

[frank knoll]

Go SMF daggers if you really wanna minmax

[grand scaffold]

😂

[topaz tulip]

lmao

[grand scaffold]

do people seriously do that?

[wooden grove]

There was some smf daggers early season iirc

[grand scaffold]

imagine using daggers as warrior

😂

[topaz tulip]

Okay so, your autos are only giving you 2 rage each. However, 50/50 to enrage, guaranteed to hit, +5% dam (which overcomes most of the dam loss from not having 2 hands, and 30% increased haste on said autos during of

[grand scaffold]

why do you need 50% chance to enrage tho

we can spam bt and rampage really fast

[topaz tulip]

we can, but this would mitigate the luls that always happen in annihilator builds

also, since you aren't spamming rb, bt is actually worth a shit

[grand scaffold]

wdym

[topaz tulip]

As in, there should never be a point where aren't casting something while enraged

[grand scaffold]

but we are already enraged so much

idk

smf is very sketchy

losing hp sucks

also lose vers

[vivid light]

fury war mastery build pvp or haste?

[grand scaffold]

vers > haste > mastery

[vivid light]

thanks

[grand scaffold]

🙂

i have a way we can decide if smf or titans grip does more dmg

ima go ask the pve nerds

[topaz tulip]

I mean you're not wrong, especially with the 1s they gave us last patch. Probably mattered more before that honestly. But you made me curious so I did sim it, and came back with -1k dps. Except the weapons I was using were also 10ilvls shy and db gear

[grand scaffold]

im asking pve nerds lemme see what they say

😂

[topaz tulip]

yeah I'mma run over there with you

[grand scaffold]

bro pve players are astounding

😂

[steel trout]

seems like he answered ur question no?

[grand scaffold]

nah

not the screenshot

thats from earlier

[undone pumice]

🐴

[thick reef]

I swear to God and his harem of big tiddies PvE makes you a retard

Simple as

[grand scaffold]

bro

i ask does tg or smf do more dps

some guy pipes in causing problems

critiquing my question

😂

[steel trout]

tbf u couldve just simmed it

[thick reef]

Simming PvP

[grand scaffold]

i dont have the time to farm another 1800 conquest

😂

[topaz tulip]

Db prolly would've been fine 😂

[steel trout]

there is nothing wrong with simming it

if u only care about what does more damage

[thick reef]

It's actually really fucking hilarious to watch PvE players seethe at this point

[grand scaffold]

bro

pve players seethe about minor nerfs

to the point where 0.000002% matters

😂

[topaz tulip]

I mean lets be real. Wars in pve are shafted more than enough as is. Fury out here doing like bottom 5 dps on sim data

[steel trout]

arms is good

[topaz tulip]

I'M ALREADY SHIT WHY ARE YOU TAKING MORE FROM ME

[thick reef]

I'm pretty sure at this point if smearing the shit out of my toilet on their face was BiS, they would be kissing my ass immediately

[topaz tulip]

-all the pve players

[grand scaffold]

😂

[steel trout]

fury is fine too in m+

[grand scaffold]

actually laughed irl from that one

[topaz tulip]

Oh I said on sim data

If you're good at your class you'll still outdps most people

[grand scaffold]

this is like the funniest shit ive read today

[topaz tulip]

cuz most people fucking suck at their class

[steel trout]

certainly depends what type of pve u do

[topaz tulip]

Well yeah. "most people" aren't sleeping and making it through +20 keys. The people who do are actually good at their class

But sub +15 I'm finding myself topping charts and confused about it, cuz I don't even have the "recommended build"

[frank knoll]

Esp since m+ is harder in DF

A 20 is like a SL 22-24

[steel trout]

ya for normal/hc/ lower keys u can do whatever u want

[frank knoll]

Lots of random unavoidable stuff kills you in keys now too

If ur healer doesn’t have hands

Looking at you Ruby Life Pools

[steel trout]

rlp

[topaz tulip]

I simmed the diff between the build I use and the build pve guys want me to use. It's like 1k dps, but I have more control over my burst and I'm not using that stupid ass annhilator shit

[steel trout]

pretty sure cb is better

anyway

[frank knoll]

Melee in keys, good on you, can’t play melee in m+ . I stick to my warlock

[wooden grove]

CB is way better in PvE

[topaz tulip]

sorry, I said annihilator. Ravager

[steel trout]

ravagar is sick wym...

[wooden grove]

Ravager needs coordination for the big pulls to line up better

[topaz tulip]

Personal preference. I run an onslaught/of build

yeah, exactly

[frank knoll]

I’d say a 15 is like a SL 17

[wooden grove]

SL 2100 is 1800 😂

[topaz tulip]

Or, I can avatar/roar in one pack, have top dps, and then turn around and of/di racial in the next pack and still be top dps

[steel trout]

in shuffle maybe

oh nvm

[wooden grove]

My bad flip it around Lmaoo

[topaz tulip]

Honestly it's sad to me that fury has fallen so low that what's basically a single target build is our actual best aoe build

Make fury great again

[steel trout]

nah fuck fury 💯

[topaz tulip]

bruh fuck you

[steel trout]

[grand scaffold]

nah

menace is a G

but fury is the goat

[topaz tulip]

Ngl having played as much arms as I have I definitely understand why people love it so much. You can't really enjoy fury when you've got SO much utility. Just three bars worth of bullshit to shit on your problems. It's fantastic

but I like the feel of just running in and fucking shit up. The high risk/high reward vibe of fury is retard levels of fun

except now there is no reward. It's just stupid.

[grand scaffold]

6-0 against mm boomy aff

[quick carbon]

whenever they make fury good it turns out to be toxic

[grand scaffold]

nah

whenever they make fury good people want arms to be better

[topaz tulip]

def true

[quick carbon]

idk 40% ms was toxic beyond belief

idc wot anyone says

[steel trout]

i played fury first time in s3 s4 sl

most disgusting shit

i ever played

[grand scaffold]

i played fury in s2 and got 2.4 in 2's

s3 got 2300

shouldve played it more

idk why i decided to play lock when fury was good

[steel trout]

i quit the game cuz of it

[grand scaffold]

made no sense

rn fury mortal strike is actually good

not totally insane

but its pretty good

you get like 8 sec of 36%

pretty consistantly

[green fern]

In solo shuffle, 2s and 3s would you say fury or arms is better atm?

[grand scaffold]

i do miss perma 40% tho

[grand scaffold]

in every bracket

[thick reef]

arms

[grand scaffold]

arms is better

[thick reef]

arms is better in all

[grand scaffold]

[thick reef]

[steel trout]

fury worst melee

in the game

[grand scaffold]

no

dh

rogue in general

[frank knoll]

Frost DK is dust

[thick reef]

buff rogue, make shiv 80% ms

warrior unfair

[grand scaffold]

😂

[frank knoll]

Unless they’re oogabooga zug zugging a caster

[thick reef]

true fdk is still meh

[green fern]

Oh shit, fury that bad? I remember the first couple weeks, fury being the best, before raid and rated came out

[thick reef]

yea

trhen

it got nerfed

like

3 times

lol

[frank knoll]

I bulldoze people on fury

[grand scaffold]

same

[green fern]

So arms it is then 😂

[thick reef]

yes

i mean

[grand scaffold]

the only time i have a hard time as fury is when people dont know how to work around the spec's strengths

[steel trout]

unless u find fury much more fun there is no reason to play it

[thick reef]

if u enjoy fury u can play it for fun but, arms is just better sadly. its weird

yea

[tame sphinx]

only bulldozing fury does is at the playground in the kids sandbox

[steel trout]

fuck them kids 💯

[thick reef]

fury was rly good and i think better then arms first few weeks but then it got neerfed for the nextg 3 weeks

[frank knoll]

Everyone mad about Destro, demo rules though, went 6/0. Just focus cc healer and press tyrant and u win

[thick reef]

and arms got a buff and IP and its just beter in everyway

[thick reef]

ya just dont let tyrant do stuff to u

[frank knoll]

Yeah, at lower ratings people don’t know,I was crushing with tyrant and pit lord

Consistent damage is pretty good too

[thick reef]

yea

[frank knoll]

With dogs and ur imps

[thick reef]

yeah the dogs

hti hard

and then u build a army of demons and ppl cant see anything

id rather fight destro t hen demo idk why i just hate demo so much

something about it

[frank knoll]

The only thing I dont like is Blizzards pet AI bugs out sometimes

[thick reef]

oh yea

tyrant

bugging out

[frank knoll]

Like my tyrant will be doing fuck all

[thick reef]

ya

[grand scaffold]

tyrant is dumb

low iq

sometimes just stands there

or goes for a melee

😂

[topaz tulip]

I hate the trap charge bug with fucking passion

and it's not just us. affected by it. Seems like anyone wiht a jump that does damage can catch it

except fucking rog

[frank knoll]

The big thing though is even though tyrant sucks it makes ur other pets pump

Especially during NP pitlord go

[thick reef]

yera

i hate

pitlord/np

alot

lining doesnt help for it for some reason

[topaz tulip]

I'm just saying, fury has the lowest cr games across the board rn. And out of everyone 3k+, there's literally one person. Checking charts, it goes everyone else > fury > tanks

[frank knoll]

Old head warrior PvPers don’t like fury unless it’s OP like SL season 4

The minute arms is better they’re all gonna start pushing as arms

[topaz tulip]

While I do think that's a pretty fair point, is everyone 2200 cr an old head? because the only other spec with a population as low as fury with 2.2k+ is outlaw, and the people that made it that high are all actually higher

[grand scaffold]

good

ill get crimson legend easier

😂

[topaz tulip]

You can have that cancer. I'm struggling enough with arms

[frank knoll]

No I was speaking more to like probably like 3k+ from your original statement. Idgaf about 2200

[grand scaffold]

yaaaaaaaah

[grand scaffold]

idc about 2200 either

i care about achievments

and ability to brag

😂

[frank knoll]

Arms is the warrior PvP spec, it will always be more represented in PvP and it’s objectively more suited to it

Unless it’s complete dog water

[grand scaffold]

ngl

into caster lobbies

arms cant keep up the way fury can

like into frost destro elemental im going 0-6 as arms

[frank knoll]

I love killing the ele shaman jumping around emoting with his insta casts

With a 100k warbringer

[topaz tulip]

No but also fury can't keep that pressure as well when they're literally dying. One safety that does dick all

[grand scaffold]

idk man

why cant fury

you spam bt for quite a lot of healing

[frank knoll]

Did they take away warpaint?

[grand scaffold]

no

[frank knoll]

So dstance up all the time and you don’t lose damage

[topaz tulip]

I mean I haven't really played a build with high bt damage so maybe that's my problem? Definitely can't last more than 2-3 burst phases before i"m fucked. But then I'm also better at the game now than i was then so that may help too

[grand scaffold]

yup

[tribal wedge]

but they nerfed it

[grand scaffold]

warpaint 5%

d stance 5%

10%*

thats 15%

[frank knoll]

My bloodthirsts/bloodbaths hit for like 40-60k

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[tribal wedge]

it's less than rogue feint 😄

[grand scaffold]

feint is fucking stupid

[topaz tulip]

Mind sharing build? Might run back to my fury just to take a break from arms

[frank knoll]

I haven’t played fury in arena yet, I do it in random BGs when I’m bored and wanna crush noobs for a couple hours

[topaz tulip]

Pulled up my dh and i'm losing brain cells and testosterone

[grand scaffold]

BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICKJAR0kiIRS0AhkAQkEQSSSIJJRIRaplkAkEAAAAEE

try this

[frank knoll]

BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQgAJAR0EikkEFIhkAQKJBkkkkIJJRQkWKJJAJBAAAABB

[topaz tulip]

I'll try it next

question about fresh meat, does it have a cd or is it every time you target swap?

[lucid walrus]

once per engagement(?)

[grand scaffold]

yay

+30 for 2-4

[glacial lark]

So as Arms warrior i take it i want the 4set. Should i drop the head piece?

[grand scaffold]

you dont want tier set helmet

crafted helmet best

[glacial lark]

Thanks brother

[grand scaffold]

🙂

[glacial lark]

bis weapon as arms?=p

[topaz tulip]

So like, once you enter the arena, you get the effect once for each person you're fighting?

[lucid walrus]

p sure

[grand scaffold]

2h sword

[topaz tulip]

Damn that's kinda trash

[topaz tulip]

Don't be like me with no sparks 2 months in and still no pvp helm

*crafted pvp helm

[glacial lark]

Infurious right?

[topaz tulip]

ya

[green fern]

What’s best 2s and 3s comp with arms

[topaz tulip]

Man I really do need to walk on arms for a bit. All that talk we were doing I changed to fury before my lobby popped. It auto changes you back to arms when you enter, but it doesn't change your gear even if it's tied to it

gave away a round for free because I couldn't use any attacks

[glacial lark]

Crafted boots also bis?=p Im just coming back to and eager to start the grind ;p

[muted surge]

Yea

[topaz tulip]

boots > helm. If you only have one spark, focus on that first

[green fern]

I made the helm first like a tit, thinking sparks were gonna be higher drop rate 😂 not seen one yet

[muted surge]

Prob like 1 every 2 weeks of active content

So ye not that high :(

[grand scaffold]

fuckin arcane mages

so annoying

[quick carbon]

sometimes i fight arcane mages and get 1 shot

sometimes i do the 1 shotting

just gotta 1 shot first

[topaz tulip]

Sure, that def works when you aren't also lobbied with a demo and a destro

[green fern]

I have done a lot of content since 10.5 and it’s just not dropping 😂

[topaz tulip]

Just take like 2 hours and farm every pile of dirt/expedition pack you can find

[hushed plank]

Don’t feel bad @topaz tulip yesterday Omni bar decided to fuck up so I reloaded and was dead by the time I came back in

Sometimes it’s just macros I can’t hit other times it’s literally everything can’t click abilities or anything till reload

[topaz tulip]

Haven't touched this at all this whole time but why the hell do we have shield slam if you have tto have a shield equipped and none of your abilities work without both weapons?

[topaz tulip]

I used to ahve to reload at the start of each match to stop that from happening

Just be in the middle of a fight and all of a sudden the icons in my bar sort of pop out of their borders, lose all tool tip info, can't see cd's and some abilities would just stop working

[hushed plank]

I might need to start doing that when I reload it’s atleast 20+ seconds or more def sucks not just reload and 1 second later I’m back in

[topaz tulip]

@grand scaffold Figured out why I was thinking annihilator autos give you more rage. Enduring rage talent, extends enrage by 1 sec and every auto adds 1/2 a second. just full on permanent enrage at that point

Do you just keep warbringer/disarm/slaughterhouse for talents or do you swap one for bloodrage or death wish or something?

[grand scaffold]

i usually use battle trance

its pretty strong

warbringer is the one i swap out for disarm

but depends on matchup

enduring rage is good

idk if its better than other options tho

[topaz tulip]

so, battle trance into mages/etc but disarm into say, a war?

[grand scaffold]

tbh idk

but

into double caster

ill run battle trance

warbringer

and slaughterhouse

if its a mage or hunter ill sometimes run bloodrage thoi

into a warrior ill drop warbringer for disarm

if its frost arms or something bursty i wont run battle trance

because it doesnt help

but idk

gotta get a feel for what to play into what still

[topaz tulip]

well fuck

i just went 5/1

why was that so easy

[grand scaffold]

as fury?

[topaz tulip]

yes

[grand scaffold]

were you vs casters?

[topaz tulip]

but I'm also even deeper in shit than I am on arms so maybe that's part of it

uh, evok/resto sham heals, sp, arms, surv

[grand scaffold]

yeah

fury is great into casters

just wait till you are vs a frost mage

they will start crying

😂

[topaz tulip]

The only fight that lasted longer than 30s was the last one 😂

[grand scaffold]

😂

[fallow kraken]

What order should I get the conquest pieces in?

Got weapon/neck/rings/badge atm

[grand scaffold]

tier set

[fallow kraken]

so shoulders/chest/hands/legs?

[fair tide]

I have my sword for arms, but I want to try fury, im assuming losing x1 frozen devo enchant wont be the end of the world right?

[scarlet barn]

It def wont be

[topaz tulip]

it's like 2% damage

[fair tide]

am I better going off duel sophic?

[wooden grove]

Anything else is conjecture and false

[fair tide]

sim in arena?

tf is this?

[wooden grove]

Are you simming your tactics or your enchantment for dps

[grand scaffold]

i wonder if dancing blades has a large effect on frozen devotion

[fair tide]

dogo you running it on both weps?

[grand scaffold]

yes

[fair tide]

how much dmg does it make up for you roughly?

[grand scaffold]

that was 1 solo shuffle

[fair tide]

yeah, that looks worth

[grand scaffold]

it can close out games sometimes

[fair tide]

fuck it, i'll run both

atleast the enchants are cheaper now

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[onyx valve]

Sims aren’t accurate for PvP either tbf

[grand scaffold]

im gonna attack a dummy for 3 minutes

and link you the details

nvm got a solo shuffle que

[onyx valve]

DH would have simmed higher with stat proc than mastery but the play was definitely mastery in PvP

[topaz tulip]

If you simmed patchwork, sure. If you simmed heavy movement and tried to make it a bit closer to accurate they come out about the same

[onyx valve]

Sophic was still better in Sims

[scarlet barn]

Always can run combo frost /sophic

[onyx valve]

Same type of shit happens with FW, sims can’t account for PvP settings

[cyan fog]

Can anyone link a good rbg build or just random bgs.

[frank knoll]

I play this for RBG

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWikEJEJpUKJBAAAAkQkIQCQENKJJBoJRIBIJRCAAAAAAAARKJHICA0QA

[mystic barn]

biggest bait response

[frank knoll]

Sometimes I’ll swap for warbreaker

[grand scaffold]

hahaha

had some arms warrior call me an ape telling me run from wings

made him go 2-4 while i went 4-2

😂

ima whisper him

remember to run from wings

[topaz tulip]

wings?

[mystic barn]

avenging wrath

[topaz tulip]

gotcha

doesn't it give them forbearance?

[grand scaffold]

no

you know when rets hit you like a mofo?

and they glow yellow

and appear to have wings

and they have this icon that looks like a yellow hammer

[scarlet barn]

Back in a day yes

Not anymore

[grand scaffold]

wait

[topaz tulip]

yeah no i know what it is

[grand scaffold]

it used to do that?

[mystic barn]

bop divine shield lay on hands

[topaz tulip]

Gotcha

[grand scaffold]

dang

[mystic barn]

= forbearance

[grand scaffold]

i never knew that

when was that

[topaz tulip]

Well I played in legion and then had to skip the next two. Probably sometime in bfa they changed it

[grand scaffold]

oh ok

i never knew that

i just know immune bop and lay on hands do that

btw i tested dancing blades vs titanic rage

titanic rage is far better

[scarlet barn]

Younglings..

[topaz tulip]

Honestly it feels better too. When you dive someone as fury you literally just press avatar and you're enraged and doing mad damage.

[scarlet barn]

All zoomers here

[topaz tulip]

well fuck. That's not legion xD

[scarlet barn]

No kidding

[grand scaffold]

😂

i was wondering

i didnt remember that from legion

[scarlet barn]

You are zoomer too

[grand scaffold]

😂

[grand scaffold]

yeah

dancing blades is goofy

[topaz tulip]

Wait, I think I get it. It's not that it added forbearance, but the abilities that give forbearance can't be cast anymore for the same time period

so unless there's a second pally it's basically the same effect

[orchid idol]

hit 70 on my second warrior and his 2nd game ever was an 1800 caster lobby F

[unreal socket]

Random question, but how do you guys scrape together the 408 ilvl to queue up for Solo Shuffle on alts?

[topaz tulip]

Drakebreaker and honor gear

[cyan fog]

green crafted honor gear

[unreal socket]

And followup from a PvE Andy, best way to farm honor

[grand scaffold]

[topaz tulip]

epic bgs will net you the most at one time, though i'm not sure if the time it takes one to complete would net you more per minute than regular bgs

But even if you lose you can expect 5-700, and if you win that goes to 11-1500

[fair tide]

not a bad return to fury for a bg warmup

it fucking pumps thou

you're right thou @grand scaffold

that frozen devo is nice

[grand scaffold]

😄

[fair tide]

I almost forgot how to play fury

then I remebered I had like 3 buttons

[grand scaffold]

i almost forgot how to play arms

then i remembered

i never could

😂

[fair tide]

LOL

[topaz tulip]

Oh, also remember to do the strife quest for the week. One really easy piece of 421. Helps carry the slots you're missing. Bloody tokens buy 408 gear that can be upgraded at the regular upgrade guy

[topaz tulip]

but is it better than 30s of sophic?

[grand scaffold]

we sick with it

🔥

[grand scaffold]

all i know

is that frozen devotion helps me to close out games

[worthy fern]

Lmao 18th fury war

No one playing it

[grand scaffold]

😎

[topaz tulip]

Bruh

@grand scaffold take me through some type pvp boot camp. I'm almost at 1k rounds

wait no I'm at 1500 round. I have 600 just on fury 😭

[hushed plank]

Just takes practice Dogo has been playing Fury for a very long time he of corse will be more fluent in it then others who just swap from Arms …. But like I was saying practice makes perfect

[topaz tulip]

Nah I know I need to learn pvp to be good at it. But also I definitely thought i'd be higher by this point. But the mmr system is really unforgiving. Losing 200 cr in two matches, spending 4 climbing back up, and then doing it again from just terrible lobbies is painful

*4 is a minimum number

[grand scaffold]

SICK WITH IT

[topaz tulip]

aiming #1? lol

[grand scaffold]

yes

😄

[topaz tulip]

Do it, then tell mud you're his level now 😂

[grand scaffold]

😂

[rotund trellis]

Wow grats

[unreal socket]

Appreciate that one, didn't even know those Trophies existed

[grand scaffold]

BOOOOOOOOM

CRIMSON LEGEND RANGE BABY

thats right

#10

[rotund trellis]

let's go!

(send link to build)

😄

[grand scaffold]

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[woeful solstice]

oh my god i keep 0-6'ing games

what is wrong with me

[rotund trellis]

is it the same build you were playing yesterday?

[rotund trellis]

yo welcome to the club.

[woeful solstice]

took one week off

and suddenly feel like i cant play the game anymore

[grand scaffold]

do you guys think i should log off

or push higher rank

[unreal socket]

Never

All the way to the top

[grand scaffold]

yo cassetto

do you think i should log off or keep on playing

[steel trout]

for crimson legend

u will need to push higher

[grand scaffold]

rn its top 13

and im top 10

[steel trout]

yes

but its

like minimum 3 months til season ends

[grand scaffold]

but who plays fury

[steel trout]

doesn't matter its not gonna be safe at all

[grand scaffold]

maybe

[steel trout]

no maybe

i can bet you

$1k

if u sit this u will not be safe

[grand scaffold]

too broke to bet that

[steel trout]

more ppl are gonna think like u

that fury is way easier to get title with so they will push near the end of season

[muted surge]

love thsoe games

[grand scaffold]

fuck

i knew i shouldnt have qued

fuck

[unreal socket]

F

[grand scaffold]

HOLY SHIT

I DIDNT LOSE RATING

YAAAAAAAH

top 8 baby

alright now im logging off

GG's

[rotund trellis]

top 10, ggs

[unreal socket]

Meanwhile clawing my way up to 1800

[drifting jacinth]

crimson legend is spec specific?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[wooden grove]

Yes

[drifting jacinth]

I'll be rank 1 holy priest

[lucid walrus]

if you’re eligible for it on a tank spec you should just be banned imo

fortunately i don’t think there’re any legend-eligible tanks rn

[wooden grove]

🤣

[drifting jacinth]

holy shit holy priests actually made it to 3k

remove tanks and pet classes from arena

fookin brewcunts

[steel trout]

wym brewsin is like 3.4k on brewmaster

[lucid walrus]

oh idk i don’t look at leaderboards

sorry to hear that tho

[topaz tulip]

Rips out prot warrior cuz i'm sure i'll survive caster lobbies that way :D

[fair tide]

faced a prot pally yesterday

wanted to rip my hair out

[unreal socket]

Brewmaster making me do that now, just seen one for the first time

[frank knoll]

Brew is annoying af. Played vs one yesterday

Brew is kinda like a WW that can’t one shot you but has more cc and is harder to kill

[mild venture]

Does the Badge of Ferocity, on use Primary Stat trinket cause the standard 30 second trinket GCD? Anyone use it, or go with Alacrity for the proc base? Wondering if it can trap me without a means to break a stun if I'm not careful.

[wooden grove]

Y u hef tu be med

Is juszt gaem

[muted surge]

it doesnt share a cd with it

you can use both at once if you want

[green fern]

on murloc.io, the talent builds show arms warriors using fatality, what build is that? because its nothing thats in pins

[polar marsh]

Spear mortal strike build

[hushed plank]

@mild venture thats human racial that does that not on use trinket lmao

[muted surge]

no, human racial goes on a 1:30 cd

[lean burrow]

human +10% reputation >>> any other racial

[topaz tulip]

Can I get a repost of the charge/intervene @ mouseover macro? Don't see it in the pins and I deleted mine by accident

[blazing maple]

Its in the method prot war guide under macros

[topaz tulip]

Awesome thanks

[blazing maple]

showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

[blazing maple]

See above

[rotund trellis]

nerf disc for fucks sake, 60k shadow word death from a healer is pathetic

[topaz tulip]

Ooh I like this one more. Intervene @ mouseover but charge to target so you never have to change focus. Mine was just a mouseover for both

[mild thunder]

all the builds in pins use fatality

[rotund trellis]

all the games ai played and died, was for a 50-70k shadow word death from a priest. why.

what can i do??? please suggest me a strategy

also can you check my stats and give me any feedback?

[lean burrow]

just play the game

stats won't win you games

[rotund trellis]

yeah but I need to invest in gear pieces

so any suggestion is appreciated

[hushed plank]

Arms or fury?

[rotund trellis]

arms

[hushed plank]

Haste to 10% dump the rest in crit

[rotund trellis]

ok,

ty!

[hushed plank]

Np gl on games

[rotund trellis]

ty!

[blazing maple]

Yeah this one is great

[fallen bridge]

Having that on my charge keybind would drive me nuts

Movement is 100% mouse functionality

[dim lava]

do u buy sword or polarm for conq? :d

And what are the stat prio atm?

[rotund trellis]

sword

[lyric gyro]

If I have duelist now will I automatically get the enchant whenever they add it? Or will I have to be duelist/win a game once the enchant comes out?

[indigo barn]

I got cloak on auto

[stone fjord]

can hunters use turtle in stun?

[steel trout]

there is a nice addon u can use

which autoadds ur healer + dps to macro

so u dont have to mouseover

[wooden grove]

Target of target intervene ain’t horrible

[sharp meteor]

get dynamic macros

[quick carbon]

bro solo shuffle is so terrible but so addicting

it makes me so angry

[rotund trellis]

me too

also, question. Does item upgrqade only matters for pve?

[quick carbon]

yes

[rotund trellis]

my arena mate told me, "you don't need to upgrade"

[quick carbon]

i wanna be top 100 so i can ego some loser

but i actually hate

shuffle

so much

[sharp meteor]

ya

pvp ilev always the same

but its nice to be like 405 or w/e for keys soloing old stuff

or just world content

[spark oyster]

Which sparks are you trying to find?

[green fern]

sparks to make gear

just need one more

[spark oyster]

Ah…Sparks of ingenuity right? You used the first 3 “free” ones already I’m guessing?

[sharp meteor]

u get 5 free ones i thought

[glad pier]

Is disc priest a good healer for war in 2s and 3s? I feel like we overlap fear dr too much. Considering playing hpal or rsham instead

[latent hazel]

no

[queen stag]

when is blizzard going to fix this garbage game, why is dc after mind control still a thing after 3 years

[spark oyster]

Prob. I haven’t needed more than 3 lol

[woven pulsar]

Embellishment for arms? Crafted reflect helm + boots(?)

[onyx valve]

General consensus, few people trying other stuff

[woven pulsar]

ty

[spark oyster]

Sudden death, rampage, BT in that priority on CD. For burst window, avatar, reck, odyns, roar then into prio damage list as above… what could I be doing different/better for pushing damage? Any procs or stacks I should specifically be waiting on before a go window? Between avatar windows, should odyns fury be used on CD? A few questions in there, thanks in advance!

[lean burrow]

should be Blood Bath 35% hp > Rampage > Execute > BT

burst: (enraged) reckless+avatar, rampage, roar, rampage, odyn's fury, rampage

odyn's fury is a mini go every 45 sec, big go every 90 sec

[spark oyster]

Awesome thanks.

[topaz tulip]

@steel trout @sharp meteor Thanks for the heads up. Do you macro this into intervene seperately for healer only or do you use it with the charge/int macro?

[sharp meteor]

I just have a vene healer and vene dps

[topaz tulip]

Makes sense, fair enough. I gotta find keys for that lol

[topaz tulip]

Do yall use gladius for pvp frames or did you layer wa? Trying to modify my u/i

for one, the stance swap visual that mud has, so I remember to actually use it more often lol

[grand scaffold]

to see your stance

go into edit mode

make stance bar really big

and put it by your frame

[topaz tulip]

Oh and yall just move it over? Dang didn't realize it was that simple lol

[grand scaffold]

thats how i made mine look

[topaz tulip]

Good enough for me 😄

[green anchor]

How bout a 150k Lightning bolt from a resto shaman

jk nobody plays resto shamans

[topaz tulip]

Do you use any w/a or addons that you recommend?

[grand scaffold]

mes weakauras

[topaz tulip]

All of them? Or is there one that's combined?

[grand scaffold]

just 1

lemme send it

[topaz tulip]

Preciate. See a bunch of nameplate/cd ones all separate

[grand scaffold]

lucky me

i finally got the quest

[topaz tulip]

Congrats, and thank you!

Honestly really like the axe. Far better than fury's. The shield is definitely the favourite though

[grand scaffold]

can fury tmog arms axe?

[topaz tulip]

Also do you use gladius for the raidframes or something else?

yeah, all war

[grand scaffold]

cool

[grand scaffold]

gladiusex

best addon

[topaz tulip]

aight bet. Frames are the last thing I"m missing. Now that I'm more used to using int, figure i need it

[grand scaffold]

are you sure

i cant find it for fury

does it show under swords?

[topaz tulip]

2h swords or legion artifacts

[topaz tulip]

sorry, only just getting the ss out

I'm in arms, this is tmog lady. top shots and following two are all warswords, bottom are all strom'kar

[placid marlin]

You have to relog I think

[woven pulsar]

I memecraft'd a build when playing vs 3+ targets (but also works for 2) that I actually like playing.

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAQrlkkEJESalSSAAAAAJEJCkQQk0QiAHgmEBBQSkAAAAAAAAQEJiACUIB

lollllll

[patent walrus]

whats the easiest way to get past 1800 for the cosmetics? Solo?

[drifting jacinth]

what quest is this

[woven pulsar]

Solo was pretty easy for me to get past 1800, eventually you can brute force with gear. The hardest thing is the long queue times :p

[drifting jacinth]

or depending how hard you get carried

[muted surge]

Rbg should be really easy

[green fern]

Yeahhh, I only really started pvp at the end of last reset, so I used all my sparks for raid gear

[sharp meteor]

solo and its not even close

everybody is legit like 600 points higher in shuffle than any other bracket

[drifting jacinth]

yea cuz its a carry bracket

[torpid roost]

what was that site that like, finds people's alts and shit

need to humiliate a retard real quick

[drifting jacinth]

wtf

that's a thing???

[torpid roost]

he claims his rogue is 2500 in 2's

which uhhh

"no"

[forest quest]

check-pvp.fr

[torpid roost]

and he's giving me advice on my rogue, telling me my damage is lagging behind (to be fair, it probably is), but, he's doing half my damage as a boomkin, and is "2500" and r1 is "3800", and all my ratings were 10 years ago, etc

ah, thank you, cain

[lean burrow]

send screen here

[torpid roost]

about what part?

and he has a 52 rogue with 1660xp according to check-pvp, lmfao

I'm a shitter and this is an alt and it's been 2200

[drifting jacinth]

sounds like yall are havin a nerd war

[torpid roost]

maybe, but, god damn

I just hope he was trolling, if people are this stupid, like, how do you function day to day

like, if he's baiting, okay, gg

[drifting jacinth]

I'd just tell him armory or it didnt happen

[torpid roost]

basically did, and now he's mysteriously offline

[patent walrus]

thanks i just want my cosmetic 😄 and as a arms warrior its hard when i get hard trained

[drifting jacinth]

so what's this arcanite artifact skin

[muted surge]

Weapon skin

[drifting jacinth]

is this shit like a rare spawn or something????

[muted surge]

It’s not a rare, it’s a skin you put on your weapon

[drifting jacinth]

mfs be giving time and dates for when it pops up

[muted surge]

Do you know how transmogs work?

[drifting jacinth]

nah Im just reading wowhead for the quest

whats a transmog bro

lmfao

[torpid roost]

chingchong chad doesn't need transmog, his gear is naturally many handsome!

[drifting jacinth]

None have a head that shines as Glorious as mine!

[torpid roost]

May we reflect upon our reflection in his head, r'amen

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/223972896219856896/874286973089611786/unknown.png

[topaz tulip]

When the quest is available, apparently it goes live for the whole realm. It's the arms hidden artifact appearance.

[topaz tulip]

that's funny af

[steel trout]

ya i just use ctrl 1 for healer ctrl 2 for dps

[lean burrow]

park your warrior near blacksmith in skyhold

and check that blacksmith for the quest every day

[drifting jacinth]

already got it

[lean burrow]

giga tilting quest

spent ~20 days checking the quest

until it finally showed up

[drifting jacinth]

checked it as soon as ndogo talked about it

first time hearing about it

[hushed plank]

So quick question guys I’m running the same gear as Pikaboo and somehow he has 9% haste when I have 4% how??? I’m also human and he’s orc so I don’t get where the extra 5% is coming from

[muted surge]

is it normal that a mage get outdpsed by a disc priest ?

like idk

[pliant holly]

yesterday had a mage get outdpsed by a mw monk

and I mean, like, by a lot

[thick reef]

at what point in crit DR should I start gemming vers/haste?

[hushed plank]

@muted surge new mage maybe

[muted surge]

on 2k ?

[hushed plank]

Lmfao then that’s a big no

Only thing I can think of is that he got ccd/ controlled every combust lol

[noble moat]

was he trained by 2 melees permanently? then maybe

[muted surge]

no, we started to let him free cast

as it made no difference dmg wise :D

[junior river]

Hey hey! What PVP talents you recommend as a general ones, not for something specific

?

[shy aurora]

Sharpen, warbanner, disarm, warbringer

[muted surge]

do you always get mached 3x with each heal in solo ?

[copper hare]

yes

2x with every dps and 3x with both healers

[muted surge]

ah well, then im just getting tilted and mad at no reason

also

are gems gonna help me to get above 2.1? :(

or do i actually need to improve

[green anchor]

gems definitely won't carry you

[muted surge]

sad

[junior river]

And another question, that for sure a lot of people asked, but still cannot figre it out. Fury or arms?

[muted surge]

arms is better

but play waht you enjoy :>

[junior river]

Well I enjoy to min/max so ill check the arms ❤️

[mortal elm]

hm

[warped warren]

hm

[warm portal]

hm

[rotund trellis]

1 million dollar question: what addon is making the stupid final fantasy victory sound when I kill a boss???

[warped warren]

bigwigs?

[rotund trellis]

don't have it

[graceful quarry]

maybe dbm?

[rotund trellis]

only newly installed are: bigdebuffs, omnicd, gladiusex

[graceful quarry]

cuz ik dbm has that as a setting

[rotund trellis]

I'll check dbm, thanks!

[warm portal]

Didn't exactly pick the best channel to ask that in lol

[rotund trellis]

ha I know it's just that it started happening when I installed those 3 pvp mods

[muted surge]

There was a dbm update few days ago, prob changed some settings

[rotund trellis]

ty! it's so cringe

[queen shoal]

is whirlwind any good in pvp or is it just a cleave ability

[sharp meteor]

Storm of Swords and Barb Training then it's worth pressing, I think.

[spark oyster]

Just realized that execute hits with both weapons.

[cinder thorn]

Hit a pvp dummy then check ur stats

[grand scaffold]

it can be good as fury

if you take imp whirlwind

[scarlet barn]

Hey its ndogo

[grand scaffold]

finally unmuted

[scarlet barn]

What was the word that got you muted again?

[grand scaffold]

😂

[scarlet barn]

[grand scaffold]

no clue

i was just posting tmog photos

[rotund trellis]

are you guys macroing MS and exe to interrupt bladestorm for faster cast?

I saw a video from pikaboo and he was casting execute right after the 2 free MS with BS

[sharp meteor]

I have cancel bladestorm bound into every button that isn't bladestorm.

Oh, and of course abilities that don't break storm.

[rotund trellis]

wow ok

can you send me the maco command for one of them?

[sharp meteor]

uh

/cancelaura bladestorm

[rotund trellis]

tytyty

feels like it's gonna win me some games

[sharp meteor]

often good to not cancel but

sometimes you def want to

[rotund trellis]

Also, I have a

/cast Sharpen Blade
/cast Avatar

it's coherent right?

[sharp meteor]

i do not understand that macro at all

[rotund trellis]

it should cast sharpen blade then activate avatar