pvp

[sharp meteor]

surv also looks excellent

[drifting jacinth]

being focused can be turned into a strategy

[sharp meteor]

mage is mostly annoying because none of ur cc sits ever unless u somehow get a poly on healer which u usually can't

ring dh/dk off your face and mczuggyboi will press whirlwind and break it insta

[frank knoll]

Solo is honestly miserable

Keep getting feral / caster lobbies

And Garbo healers

[drifting jacinth]

lock > mage

[frank knoll]

What’s so hard about playing feral
Put bleeds on everyone and win

Do 2x everyone else damage

[sharp meteor]

foral is squish no borst

kill cat

🐱 🪓

[frank knoll]

Yeah I tried, couldn’t kill him, my dps partner was off doing random shit

[fickle forge]

All spells that get applied within a small frame from the initial one gets reflected

Very small frame though

[earnest wharf]

everyone in SS seems to just train the hunter if there is one, and it usually works cuz they're so squishy

[wheat jay]

[slender lion]

My mmr is pish now so even when I win I lose

[grand scaffold]

welcome to my life

[slender lion]

So frustrating.

[grand scaffold]

yup

thats just how solo shuffle goes

[slender bear]

Di you guys prefer fury ot arms in pvp?

[drifting jacinth]

whichever's good

or better than the other

rn I pvp arms pve fury

[slender bear]

Cool

[slender lion]

Yeah pve fury is super fun
I main prot tho

[drifting jacinth]

yea arms is rlly boring in pve

[slender bear]

I love arms in Ove >.>

Pve

[grand scaffold]

my mmr was 120 below my cr

😦

why did i press que

[lean burrow]

you WILL enjoy caster lobbies

[grand scaffold]

😂

i have identified what was going wrong

it was my mouse

[silk flicker]

that was the most terrifying lobby i've ever gotten

demo/destro/frost

[grand scaffold]

i had

demo

double elemental

got 1 shotted in one of the rounds

[silk flicker]

i'm still fat dogshit at pvp lol but i managed to pull 4/6 from that game

[grand scaffold]

nice

what cr was that at

[silk flicker]

1500 kek

was so close to 1800 and i just tanked last night

never really pushed past 1800 in previous seasons, just dipped after getting the set

[grand scaffold]

i was close to 2800 and tanked

youll get it back

🙂

[muted surge]

What’s your rating now

[grand scaffold]

almost back to 2500

[silk flicker]

yeah after 3 garbo lobbies last night i called it early

[grand scaffold]

^

[muted surge]

So you were 2.4?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

but before 2763

[inner elbow]

blademasters or warlords with bleed build?

[obtuse coral]

preference i think

both are playable

[inner elbow]

oh cool

[grand scaffold]

not preference

blademasters is better if you can get value from it

if you cant

then warlords

[inner elbow]

[stark agate]

Preference xd

[topaz tulip]

Are the fury builds still relevant, or has there been some update to make them a little better?

[topaz tulip]

The build did help a bit, and I have been using rally a lot more. Still not getting a lot of big wins but I'm more consistently positive again

[grand scaffold]

nice!

[grand scaffold]

had a dunce priest mount and afk the solo shuffle

[peak hawk]

do we actually press slam now btw?

[grand scaffold]

no

[wheat canopy]

Where ya'll go for you Weakaura info?
Looking to fix my shit up.
Need to kill the phyfiend.

allot of the stuff i've found is outdated.

[topaz tulip]

I thought you said you were stopping next time one did lol. hasn't it been like 3 more?

[grand scaffold]

well

i got a new mouse

[steel trout]

Mes makes WA

[topaz tulip]

lmao

[grand scaffold]

it ended my loss streak

kinda had a bit of hope

😂

[topaz tulip]

honestly bro, I feel that

[steel trout]

https://wago.io/pjH2s0KV3

[topaz tulip]

Maybe I should go get a new mouse lol

[grand scaffold]

bro

i literally went on a win streak

that loss was painful tho

[wheat canopy]

Thank you dude ❤️

[grand scaffold]

went 1-5 because of priest throwing on purpose

[steel trout]

No broblem

[grand scaffold]

also

the guy im pushing 3's with went offline

and i figured

2400 is lame i might as well keep trying

[topaz tulip]

Out of curiosity, how many seasons did you play before you made it to glad?

[grand scaffold]

i never got glad

but

i got 2400 the 3rd season i played

wbu

[topaz tulip]

Do people just intentionally fuck others mmr as some weird system to get theirs higher?

[scarlet barn]

Not on warrior in 3s though?

Was it lock ?

[grand scaffold]

nah

i started playing lock in s2 sl

got 1800

next season 2200

[topaz tulip]

Considering I've never had a consistent duo/3's buddy, this is the first season I"m playing

[grand scaffold]

and 2200 the next

and 2200 the next

in s2 sl i got 2400 fury 2;s

then s3 i got 2340

s4 didnt play warr

[grand scaffold]

i dont know

but it makes me sad

razonko your message disapeared

[scarlet barn]

You meant 2s yea sorry

[grand scaffold]

didnt get time to read it

[topaz tulip]

This is dope, thank you, i'mma use it

[scarlet barn]

Yea cause i made wrong message

So i deleted it

[grand scaffold]

oh ok

[topaz tulip]

Well, that gives me hope that a little R1 might not be that hard to get to if I keep doing this. It's just so many matches. It feels like league

[grand scaffold]

oh

first season of warr

got 1800

second season 2100 i think

3rd season was 2400

4th was 2340

5th was like 1700

and this one is 2700

the 1800 in s2 sl was on lock

[topaz tulip]

The mount this time is dope, but also gaudy af. I can try for elite, but it's not my goal right now. Finishing the tmog is all I need, and then I can be chill about it lol

Just starting to feel this weight from being positive but only getting small gains. 4/6 last match, got +5cr. Previous one was also 4/6, got 20. Previous one was 4/6, 23. Wtf is this?

[lean burrow]

don't worry, nobody is getting glad this time

[scarlet barn]

Solo shuffle gamers

[topaz tulip]

Got a duo you wanna lend? I'd rather not be

[scarlet barn]

I am retired

[topaz tulip]

too much toxic or just tired?

[scarlet barn]

Unnecessary chasing of tail of every season and every tier for no real improvement of my life

[topaz tulip]

I feel like a lot are, it's just the ones that did are also happen to be gods compared to my trash ass lol

[scarlet barn]

I dont shame people that still play. I just dont want to. But game was still fun when I left

[topaz tulip]

If it was still fun, why quit? It's not really to improve your life, just give you something to distract from the shitty parts of it

At least, that's how I see it.

[scarlet barn]

TIme sink is bigger than other ways to entertain myself

[steel trout]

💯

[slender bear]

Would we ever use WW or cleave for pvp?

[slender lion]

no

[drifting jacinth]

Gaudy = pimpin

[slender bear]

Thanks

[drifting jacinth]

I need that mf mount

[topaz tulip]

Nah fam, sometimes pimpin is about the sleak simple shit, like this tmog

[peak hawk]

idk

what is this

destru warlock

killing ppl in 2seconds XD

[steep inlet]

Ndogo

You cannot compare previous seasons with solo shuffle

It’s entire different world and inflation etc

[grand scaffold]

im not?

who said i was

and who asked you

[steep inlet]

Short memory?

[undone pumice]

aujouird hui a

[steel trout]

Why mfs cant let ppl be happy 😔

[steep inlet]

he can but if you want let him think 2700 solo is 2700 3s

This is wrong

[steel trout]

I think he understands that!

[steep inlet]

dunno

[grand scaffold]

so who asked you?

all i said was what cr i got in each season

[slender lion]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me

[grand scaffold]

like dude

i dont give a flying fuck

i never said its the same did i?

let me be happy alright?

[slender lion]

anyone got a focus disarm?

[steep inlet]

Who asked you lol. And you were less agressive when asking for advices

Many times

Or when you were memed before the Chan wipe

because of your silly sentences

or shitty ideas

[steel trout]

WARRIOR DIFF

[grand scaffold]

i think you have selective vision

like troma

ngl

you're kinda annoying

:/

[steel trout]

🍿

[grand scaffold]

you just kinda shit on people whenever you get the chance

for no reason

[steep inlet]

i never shit on people, but it tickle me when you are doing your classic ndogo bs

I like when you tryhard

and encourage this

but not the bs

[steel trout]

[grand scaffold]

so me stating my season xp because someone asked is bad?

i didnt even do anything provacative man

like dang bro do you have an inferiority complex?

[steep inlet]

Nah but you where listing it like it’s the same bracket

[grand scaffold]

i didnt

[steep inlet]

Inferiority in what lol

[grand scaffold]

i just said thats what i got in each season

[steel trout]

his 2.4 is in 2s anyways no?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

like troma off my case man

go exercise

[steep inlet]

yeah keep ndoging

[steel trout]

skyhold beef

[grand scaffold]

idk why you care so much

[steep inlet]

i just remember how you are

Sometimes

[grand scaffold]

but what the fuck did i do this time

0

somebody asked what season i got glad in i said i didnt

i got 2400 in 2's in my 3rd season of playing

go read

[slender lion]

look at this bar and tell me how too get rid of the stupid little bar at the bottom, so annoting

[steep inlet]

what addon is it ?

[slender lion]

plater

only happens on players

[steep inlet]

ah shit i only know kui and threat

[slender lion]

😦 sadge

i see bahjeera uses threat plates n i can get his profile, dunno if i should change

[grand scaffold]

i'de use plater

i have a pretty good profile i can send over

[grand scaffold]

[steep inlet]

nah i dont even hate him

but i know he is sometimes naughty

i have good memory

[grand scaffold]

bro

that was 2 years ago

[steel trout]

naughtyfury

[grand scaffold]

stop being stuck in the past

like breh i never roasted you

[slender lion]

i do, cause i tank in pve so i have that set up perfect, the pvp one is fine but its literally just that stupid lil bar lol

[steep inlet]

no no i know

its not my goal

[grand scaffold]

so then

[steel trout]

with plater can u

swap from pve/pvp presets

[steep inlet]

yep

[steel trout]

or how does it work

[steep inlet]

plater is very complete

[steel trout]

like on instance enter?

[grand scaffold]

wanna try my profile?

[steel trout]

using blizz default bars is lowkey aids in keys

maybe i should become a plater enjoyer

[slender lion]

can do

[grand scaffold]

ok

lemme figure out how to send it

kinda forgot

[steep inlet]

threat plate is sexy too

[grand scaffold]

😂

[grand scaffold]

dm'd it to you

[slender lion]

ty ty

[steel trout]

whats the difference

can u show me

how ur threat plate look

[steep inlet]

yep

[slender bear]

Arms, what secondary stat do we run?
I can see people differ between mast and haste

[steep inlet]

https://i.gyazo.com/5760e16cdab92cf18cd1cd9e26cd310e.jpg

[slender bear]

Is crit really the best for arms in pvp?

[steep inlet]

usually yep

versa crit

with a min of haste

[slender bear]

coolio thanks

[neon quest]

what % numbers are you aiming for

for crit and haste

[steel trout]

just go as much crit as u can and grab haste on pieces that dont have crit

[slender bear]

Sweet

Thanks

[neon quest]

I noticed AWC doing the bleed build, trying to figure out if they’re still doing crit or not, crit affects bleeds as well right? But I know haste is usually preferred for that

[steel trout]

its ms build

but with roar instead of spear

not sks bleed build, for that u want haste i think

but its fine with crit

same as ms build is fine with haste

and yes crit affects bleed too

[slender bear]

Seems like a fun change tbh

Played earlier vs one runniong roar

fucking hurt

[steel trout]

imo roar is better in shuffle

[neon quest]

The build I saw on the AWC companion he went into rend and bleed talents

[rotund hornet]

should i enchant my honor gearr or wait for conq gear?

[steel trout]

yes u do that on

[neon quest]

That’s why I thought that was more bleed than MS

[steel trout]

MS build aswell

[slender bear]

is rend better?

[steel trout]

u mean like this right? @neon quest

[tribal wedge]

dont like bloodletting, pref fatallity

[steel trout]

i drop imp exec for fatality

[steel trout]

than slam yes

[slender bear]

hmmm

Then i might have to redo xD

[steel trout]

i mean slam is fine too

[neon quest]

Yes that haha

[steel trout]

ya this is still a ms focused build

[slender bear]

if i go rend do i run skull or not?

[steel trout]

no u dont need to

sks is a diff build

[slender bear]

Perfect

[wheat jay]

Plater only

So many different mods for it

For both pvp and pve

[steel trout]

send me brofile for plater blz

[wheat jay]

I can when i'm home xD

Looks like this

[steel trout]

i just want to use it for pve

[wheat jay]

Well

Its my pve profile

I just added a bunch of shit to make it good in pvp xD

[frank knoll]

SP and Destro.. who do I target

[thick reef]

Yes

[grand scaffold]

destro

always focus the destro lock

[sharp meteor]

I goobed up my plater somehow. Hmm.

[wheat jay]

Bruh

[sharp meteor]

"can u kill psy"

"hold on, it's under here somewhere"

[wheat jay]

XD

I CANT CLICK IT

Why?

I HAVE DEEP WOUNDS ON EVERYTHING

[rotund trellis]

@grand scaffold you were right, premade groups are the way to go. having lots of fun

[grand scaffold]

yup

😄

[mystic barn]

Tracking other people’s auras unless ur the rogue

should be urs only and tracking important cds from others in buff tracking tab itself

[sharp meteor]

I was the Rogue.

[radiant lake]

Anyone know if lariat is BIS for arms pvp?

[sharp meteor]

lariat and the ring both seem to have potential

although probably only at 418

[thick reef]

Probably not

Since you lose either 5% CC reduction, or the chunky thorns bleed

And both of those are pvp scaling

[sharp meteor]

orc losing cc boots is probs fine

although most of the embellishes dont seem worth

[steel trout]

its not worth

helm + boots better

than lariat 418

[sharp meteor]

shield neck might have potential

lariat might be aight

but yeah just crafted boots and helm at least as arms probs all you'll want

[thick reef]

Always booties, always hat

Zug zug

[earnest wharf]

sockets on the gladiator rings I see on some players - is that a random socket roll or can JC add sockets to rings?

[sharp meteor]

Each slot you have unlocked in your vault is 2 tokens up to 6 if you choose to not take a piece of gear

6 tokens is a single socket

Ideally everybody has been taking sockets since they announced conq uncap

[earnest wharf]

ahh so delay the gear since we can get every piece we want next week and use sockets is the play?

[sharp meteor]

ya

although being behind a few sockets is

fairly minimal

[sharp meteor]

actually quick sim was like 0.3 to 0.45% hm that's decent for a socket

[grand scaffold]

sims dont matter in pvp

[uneven turret]

did arms build change

[grand scaffold]

not really

[mystic barn]

Per?

[mystic barn]

Depends on context

[sharp meteor]

ye

[sharp meteor]

in this case it's more like

getting a rough value to kind of eyeball

[mystic barn]

^

Lol

[sharp meteor]

like gems could be literally 0.09% diff

or 0.35% diff

i have no idea

in the end it probs doesn't matter

cos will have sockets on everything but

not the worst to just kind of have it within the realm of awareness

[mystic barn]

ya I’m not worried about sockets theyve never been too huge of a diff

Grabbing m20 pieces from vault for the mog first

[full quiver]

Sockets

[mystic barn]

What

[sharp meteor]

ya reasonable

i want the blue sets

they pretty

[simple rock]

think i'm done with spear unless i'm fighting mage/sp/ele

bleed feels so much better

or i'm just bored of spear

[thick reef]

I don't even like Spear for those classes anyway

Roar is bae

[simple rock]

spear absolutely cranks mage

but yea roar is so versatile

[thick reef]

i like spear for ww as well

since t hey can be slippery

Nah, you just Charge > Odyns+TRoar and you make them into a bloody tampon

[simple rock]

was playing with ele and when he's popping off making them play pillar I can get some juicy roar cleave

[thick reef]

i like bleed alot

i havent played it

but it looks nice

Bleed is just fun

yea it seems fun

Especially when some dumbfuck Warrior thinks Die by the Meme saves him

legit

or locks

lol

And he bleeds like a tampon and dies anyway

yea

Yeah locks too

its so nice to not have ppl bug out of ur spear

and just pump them wtih roar and skullsplit

also i think rend does good dam as well with the build

Idk, I love Arms, but getting stunned > death is bullshit

oh for sure

i hope they give us D stance back to 20% reduction

thats all i ask

I'm still on Fury just for that reason alone

fury is fun, i just feel like fury dam is limited outside of cds

[proven maple]

It is

[thick reef]

I can grind out the 90 secs to nuke you after the opener

Yeah, but someone better have cds for your burst

Or they die

yea

iv seen few furys go in and can do alot actully

Oh yeah, and if your CCs are on point you can kill them right then and there

[inner skiff]

random question: Does the 2 piece pvp CC reduction stack with Endurance Training in the warrior tree?

[thick reef]

yeah 100%

[steel trout]

nop

[inner skiff]

@steel trout kk. didn't think so based on the wording.

[thick reef]

Also love Demolishing Ignore Pain

Ignore Meme? Bonk, Nuke

remebmer in SL when fury had it but if u pressed it u like lost alot of preasure haha

like ALOT, ppl said it was super punishing to press

[sharp meteor]

ya ip as fury was inting

at least in most cases

just clench teeth and rampage again

and hope to counterpressure

[thick reef]

yea

cuz if u lost slaughterhouse

[sharp meteor]

fury feel super mong because u would just stand there and die sometimes but

[thick reef]

u lost preasure

[sharp meteor]

fall so far behind u lost 30 seconds later

[thick reef]

yea

[sharp meteor]

just slam harder

if u lose u lose

go next

[thick reef]

^^

u just delayed ur downfall if u tried to not play agro i feel like

[inner skiff]

Do we even run slaughterhouse as Fury anymore with how badly it got gutted? I feel like we still do because any anti-heal > no anti-heal

[sharp meteor]

like if u win in 15 seconds with reck then cool run but otherwise u just toat

[sharp meteor]

play might be to run with somebody who has ms

[thick reef]

yea i would say so, even if it got gutted

oh yea true

[sharp meteor]

cant not play it without ms class tho

[thick reef]

cuz it overides ur ms

[inner skiff]

@sharp meteor I do 2's with a disc priest.

[proven maple]

Well run with dh. Have him run mortal dance. Profit

[sharp meteor]

ya def want it there

[thick reef]

yea i hated it

[inner skiff]

ok that's what I figured. I'm running Bloodrage, Battle Trance, Slaughterhouse.

Unless I have to peel for her, I basically just Zug and train whoever we think is easier to kill. <.<

[sharp meteor]

disc/fury just seems like u wanna send as hard as posisble all game and trade cds as aggressively as possible

u ever walk away or lose tempo it's just over

[inner skiff]

yup.

Seems to be our experience.

The only time I'll peel off our kill target is if she'll die if I don't.

[sharp meteor]

peeling off to disarm vene fear etc is good

[inner skiff]

and then I basically spin, CC peel off her, then go straight back on our kill target and assume she'll recover.

[sharp meteor]

or turning an dhitting soembody in a bad spot

[thick reef]

yea hes right, disc is big dam so u wanna play agro with it

[inner skiff]

But her and I have been playing together off and on since Cata. We used to co-heal PVE

So we just "click" mentally for when to do what

[ebon pivot]

why is it every time I start to get back to 1600 i get an all caster lobby and just get fucked

[sharp meteor]

the healer i have had since like wod recently had a bit of a breakdown and lobbed everybody

so haven't queued any 2s

[thick reef]

Welcome to shuffle

[sharp meteor]

although probably wouldn't rly want to anyways because it's just assa/disc every game

[inner skiff]

@sharp meteor still. Sadge.

The healer I'm playing with is my daughter's mom. I got her into WoW when we were together. Thankfully we get along, just were not a good match. So we still game together.

[sharp meteor]

oh, that's interesting

my sister tried playing and got flamed in some lfd then avoided group content

[inner skiff]

oof.

[thick reef]

thats inspiring af, makes me want to do areans with my dad

but he is casual at wow and tends to stay away from toxic morons

[sharp meteor]

my healers wife used to play and we'd all do keys together which was a fun time

[thick reef]

doing keys with other people u know makes it way more fun ngl

[sharp meteor]

ya just the stability is nice

[inner skiff]

When I got her started I got her to roll a BM hunter since she'd never played an MMO and wasn't a huge gamer. And then I helped her tame a turtle. After that it was basically "Your pet will fuck anything up that fucks with you" and she was golden to take her time and learn the game slowly while her pet kept her from just dying over and over and getting frustrated and quitting.

[sharp meteor]

pug keys lowest circle of hell

[thick reef]

oh for sure

[inner skiff]

It's still my advice to anyone trying to help people get into the game. Get them to roll a BM hunter first.

[thick reef]

and they use their achievements rly hard against u when they get defensive

[sharp meteor]

ya bm hunter or havoc i think

[thick reef]

yea for sure bm so easy to learn

[sharp meteor]

or maybe like dk

[thick reef]

hunter in general

[sharp meteor]

all a chill time

[inner skiff]

BM > havoc when you are dealing with people who can't even WASD.

[sharp meteor]

havoc a tiny bit more finicky now and bm is just 2 buttons with a pet ya

[inner skiff]

Half the time she was facing the wrong direction and keyboard turning to try and melee the thing in front of her, as a hunter.

But turtle kept her alive until she learned.

especially as an orc for the extra pet damage lol

Hey, on topic: Feedback? This look good?

Going Vers > Haste > Mastery though I'm debating the Haste vs Mastery.

[thick reef]

i think haste is better as fury

[inner skiff]

Especially with annihilator it feels like haste is nice.

[thick reef]

havent played it in a while but i think it still stands on top

[inner skiff]

I know arms is "better" but despite the fact i'm asking for talent feedback, ultimately I want to play something that "Feels cool/fun".

And Fury Warrior with two giant axes (Thank fuck for transmog) has always just had that "Berzerker" vibe that I can't get past.

[mild thunder]

no, you have to play whatever is meta

fotm > fun

all the time

[quaint osprey]

man how

ah nvm

thats the new rating

[inner skiff]

@mild thunder XD

[ebon pivot]

Bleh too many games breaking even. Gonna take a break and work on alts or something before I tank my cr again rage queueing lol

[fallen bridge]

how do you rage que in ss, it takes like an hour between each match, that's some rage

[thick reef]

Imagine not being a proper warrior and raging permanently

[fallen bridge]

Between matches he smashes glass bottles outside

[mystic barn]

Can’t climb if u don’t play

[native thunder]

My Disc priest just trolled me in Shuffle

[pale minnow]

man.. i'm not crying usually here about solo q but wtf is this game i'm getting 5 times in a row bridge map with casters like elemshammans and mages

[thick reef]

Outside? I fucking eat glass and shit bleeds

[native thunder]

He swapped me when he had only 15%HP and I had no CDs up

[pale minnow]

and dumb mf priest healer ain't capable of pressing pain sup they rather dome themself while i'm down wtf is this 2.4= 1.6 monkey brain

[thick reef]

I'm convinced Priest players are retarded

Simple as

I don't know how many times I've reflected Mindgames

And then tore that Priest a new asshole

[ebon pivot]

This. You must be perma raged

[pale minnow]

idk man i faced at 2.6 some descent holy priests but disc priests are completely brain dead

[thick reef]

I mean, Holy isn't FotM atm

[pale minnow]

yeah but the thing is since disc is op new monkeys from sp swapped to disc to try their luck and of course since they are 2.1 and dps are on 2.5 they get the privilage to play with 400 cr higher players and fail miserably

I swear to god Imma get sick

[steel trout]

isnt it fun ^_^

[native thunder]

I don't understand

Mage not on my team does top Dps. On my team...can't hit a fckn button

[pale minnow]

blade's edge arena should be deleted

just to make it clear

[wheat jay]

When you play too much fury

[ebon pivot]

Never too much

[sharp meteor]

fury can frick ur hands up

[wheat jay]

Nah

[sharp meteor]

fricks ur brain up too

[wheat jay]

Yep

[sharp meteor]

legit just forget about roots

bloodrage that shit out

surv hunter going bald as their trap gets ripped off and their pet passively meat cleavered

[wheat jay]

Explosive shot goes brrrrrrr

[frank knoll]

Fury is mindless fun

[grand tendon]

Man I haven't seen another melee in like 6 lobbies what is going on

[frank knoll]

Man I was just in a lobby, we had a 260k holy priest

He kept dying he went 0/6

Only so much I can do to keep the guy alive

[pale minnow]

bruh same

this game loves these skirt wearing incel classes

[sharp meteor]

frost ele destro frost destro balance ele

help hlephplephlep

[sage raptor]

so what youre saying is, I should go back to dk

[rotund trellis]

You guys are the best pvp community. Thanks to your help I made it to my first vicious mount in 17 years of playing this game. shout out to @grand scaffold for the bleed and spear build

[mild thunder]

pretty sure this is the first legit compliment ive seen this channel receive

[rotund trellis]

well deserved. You're very supportive, even when i was so salty.

[stiff nexus]

Grats

[sage raptor]

Are you sure you're in the right channel? >.>

But yeah GGs

It do be lookin vicious

[mild thunder]

this is probably one of the better vicious mounts in quite a while

the SL spider was cool too

[rotund trellis]

i LOVE IT

[mild thunder]

the warstalker from s4 is ass

what a shit looking mount

[drifting jacinth]

Bro alliance gets the only legit hippo mount in the game

[rotund trellis]

that'll be my second one with the saddle

I got so close to it in bfa

missed

[drifting jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/hippo-animal-gif-9957547

[drifting jacinth]

Sonic fan mount

[steep cairn]

is going over 30% vers troll? im all gemmed and enchanted into crit since im at 30% vers

[torpid roost]

I'm horde and I still mount ||ur mom||

[drifting jacinth]

I used to call her ||Dad||

[obtuse coral]

i know this prob isnt very good compared to most of you guys but i just hit 1950 for the first time :D

[thick reef]

gz!

[thick reef]

eh, u will get high, it just takes time

[obtuse coral]

i was 2.1k as healer in legion but ive literally never played dps till this expansion

feels good to improve

but still not sure what build i like more between spear and bleed

[thick reef]

depends on matchup tbh

[tribal wedge]

who cares if people get more, be proud mate

[obtuse coral]

i tend to go bleed vs rogues and stuff that have cds that super counter getting smacked by mortal strikes

but not sure if thats the ring thing to do :p

[tribal wedge]

it mostly up to you, both are viable and good

play the build you are most comfortable with

[thick reef]

IMo it is

bleeds go thru evasion so

do it against shit that can walk out of ur spear

or stuff that can pair a defensive and just block all the dam on ur spear go

like a war presisng parry for example on ur spear go, thats where bleed comes in clutch

[unreal harness]

dumb question but i just got 2100 in SS but i didnt get the dueliest achievement? I got the Duelist: Dragonflight Season 1 achieve though

but not the one under Pvp -> Arena -> Duelist

[indigo barn]

Might be end of season awarded?

[obtuse coral]

yeah thats the end of season reward one

[unreal harness]

thanks guys

[eager lake]

which conquest rings do you guys use? crit+vers and what

vers mast or vers haste

[mild thunder]

haste

mastery is shit for arms

[eager lake]

gotcha, ty homie

[copper hare]

just reflect bro

[frank knoll]

ended up going 5/1 here. Locks were dust

but yeahh no was pretty worried at first

[eager lake]

new to warrior, got 1.8k in SS

[rotund trellis]

gratz!!!!!!

[thick reef]

gz

[grand scaffold]

Grats bro!

that mount looks sick!

[topaz tulip]

Probably a weird question, but didn't taunt use to have a debuff attached to it when used on players? Feel like I imagined it

[grand scaffold]

im not so sure tbh

[topaz tulip]

Congrats g, go get you some 2.4k!

[grand scaffold]

oh shit

Congrats!

[rotund trellis]

it's HUGE by the way

[grand scaffold]

ima go see if i have it

looks sick

[ebon pivot]

grats Cassetto

[rotund trellis]

you must have it lol you're like rank 6980

[ebon pivot]

I'm 95% into getting mine but the baby won't sleep tonight so no SS for me

[grand scaffold]

appparently i do

i dont remember getting it

😂

[rotund trellis]

hahah

[grand scaffold]

did youhit 1800?

@rotund trellis

[rotund trellis]

no sadly still at 1600ish after yesterday's drop

[grand scaffold]

dang

are you on NA?

[rotund trellis]

yes

[grand scaffold]

alright

lemme go take you to get 1800

ima dm you my btag

[rotund trellis]

I'm working on adding intervene to my spellbook, training on that today. And refining keybinding

[topaz tulip]

Bro, this is my pain ;-;

Talking about intervene, does @ mouseover charge/intervene target pets or does it prioritize people?

Keep forgetting there/s someone in here named mouse

[rotund trellis]

I still click the profile

I tried the pinned macros but it seems like they don't work

[ebon pivot]

I feel like most times in SS when I intervene someone to help 'em out, they just stand there and hope it'll be enough to keep them alive

like 'nope you gotta use another cd man'

[topaz tulip]

Yeah I had a problem with only chrage ever going off

[rotund trellis]

I don't have charge and intervene in the saame macro, that was SL, when intervene could target enemies

[topaz tulip]

Someone wrote one that's supposed to swap between the two, so if you're targetting an ally it would cast intervene instead

[lapis torrent]

Bleed/roar build puttin in the pve dps

[stark agate]

Make sure to flame your team for not doing as much dps for maximum build value

[fair tide]

You playing sks?

[lapis torrent]

Nah it feels awkward I dont really like it

[lapis torrent]

I think if i remembered to do this i wouldve gotten the 6 smh

[mild thunder]

i love solo shuffle

rdru that needs me to explain what ironbark is

[grand scaffold]

im starting to like sks tbh

[topaz tulip]

Out of curiosity, did you roll each class to learn their abilities, or just read them?

[mild thunder]

just game knowledge from playing so much

after a while, you should probably get to learn each classes' major cd's, defensives etc

[rotund trellis]

learning for me comes from "oh, what just killed me?"

[drifting jacinth]

just play 1000 games

[rotund trellis]

and playing with more experienced players

[sharp meteor]

ya thing happened see why it did

u don't even need to know specifics just general idea

hitting into thorns hurts a lot so consider swapping off etc

if you're ahead on tempo and have good healing then hitting into it can be good

[mild thunder]

ngl ive mostly been ignoring thorns this season

but it depends on the matchup

[drifting jacinth]

watch vids n shit

[sharp meteor]

ya usually when they thorns its because they're in peril

[drifting jacinth]

its harder to learn others class abilities as a melee

[sharp meteor]

if they do it high enough and you may not be ahead then it can make an even trade really bad

[drifting jacinth]

cuz ur zugging most of the time

[sharp meteor]

add an extra 80-150k dam to their go

[mild thunder]

i honestly just dont see thorns very often in shuffle

[rotund trellis]

if i smell blood, I ignore thorns

[mild thunder]

and bec we have a disc in our 3s team, they're probably a bit hesitant to run it into us

[drifting jacinth]

might be your own blood

[sharp meteor]

i feel like a lot of ferals play it

[mild thunder]

feral died after the nerfs

[rotund trellis]

details..

[mild thunder]

barely even see it, which is wild considering how incredibly strong it still is

[sharp meteor]

idk about that

[sharp meteor]

o ye

[rotund trellis]

can i ask a "hris pratt I;m too afraid to ask at this point question"?

[sharp meteor]

wat question

[mild thunder]

ryan gosling > chris pratt

ryan gosling > literally anyone

[rotund trellis]

to socket 3 gems in the neck, do i need a 1 star, 2 stars and 3 stars socket-things? or 3x1star will do?

[sharp meteor]

223 is what i do

[mild thunder]

1>2>3 or 2>2>3 both work

2s usually cheaper than 1s

[rotund trellis]

ty

[sharp meteor]

2s are cheapest on my realm ye

[fossil mortar]

333 also works

[sharp meteor]

i think if u put a r3 on first then other 2 has to be r3

[grand scaffold]

@mild thunder do you like sks?

[mild thunder]

yep, dont do what i did

[drifting jacinth]

its called gettin finessed

[sharp meteor]

its called blizz doing a bad job of making it known how it'd work

and randomly putting 3 sockets in neck for no goddamn reason

[mild thunder]

yea the whole "craft tier" thing is a good system with horrible communication

[drifting jacinth]

internal finesse mechanics

[mild thunder]

sks build probably bis into a lot of comps now imo

[grand scaffold]

oh really?

[mild thunder]

anywhere you dont think you're going to see a lot of spear value

[grand scaffold]

what about solo shuffle

[mild thunder]

fuck solo shuffle

[rotund trellis]

amen brother.

[mild thunder]

havent played shuffle on my warr in a few weeks

[grand scaffold]

fair enough

is sks build in pins the best one?

[drifting jacinth]

solo scuffle

[mild thunder]

probably

but exe precision can probably be swapped for fatality or improved ss/SoA

[grand scaffold]

ok

whats your opinion about joe fernandes build

[mild thunder]

is that the stupid SoS + bloodsurge + no improved exe shit?

[grand scaffold]

idk

i have a screenshot

i copied it

[mild thunder]

sure, send it

[grand scaffold]

mans got no exhilerating blows

[mild thunder]

yea i hate it

[grand scaffold]

seems like a dumb idea

also no blunt instruments or warbreaker

[mild thunder]

no BI/warbreaker is kinda troll
i (personally) dont like unhinged with the sks build
no EB is kinda troll
uproar kinda meh

[sharp meteor]

That's an odd setup.

[mild thunder]

if you're playing super long games, i can see uproar being good

but most shuffles below like 2800 wont be that long

[grand scaffold]

i dont think uproar is very good either

but is there really a better pick?

[mild thunder]

its a trade of +20% dmg on roar vs 1 extra roar every 3 uses

[grand scaffold]

wdym 20%

he has both roar talents

[mild thunder]

uproar desyncs roar from avatar

so you're sending it with less dmg

or holding it and wasting a talent

[grand scaffold]

yeah

exactly

[mild thunder]

like i said, over a lengthy game it can probably be worthwhile, but most players wont be playing long games like that

[grand scaffold]

yeah

so what would you pick instead

[topaz tulip]

it's in lower elo a lot

[mild thunder]

FbV is probably decent into major pet stuff like uhdk, demo, bm etc but he also has no way of aoe spreading deep wounds outside of bs

[grand scaffold]

yeah

just bladestorm

idk i think his build is gooooooofy

[mild thunder]

idk, probably works in his niche, but i wouldnt recommend it to anyone

[grand scaffold]

ok

so would you run the one in pins

[mild thunder]

yea, i think they're all still pretty good

only thing id consider swapping in the sks build is EP for either improved ss/SoA

or fatality against something you're gonna train

[grand scaffold]

ok

[mild thunder]

there's still some stuff i wanna test though, when i cbf

[grand scaffold]

whats cbf

[mild thunder]

dropping warlords torment for spear + roar with the sks build
swapping some stuff out for sks in the ms build
some other small stuff

i havent played a lot since the last nerfs

[mild thunder]

cannot be fuckethed

[grand scaffold]

ok

[topaz tulip]

as in, taking both spear and roar instead of wt?

[mild thunder]

roar + 15% bleed damage and 4sec spear

and dropping wt

[topaz tulip]

Also I asked dogo, but was also curious about you. How many seasons did it take for you to make 1800/2400?

[grand scaffold]

is ep bad now?

[mild thunder]

technically i have a super scuffed pvp history because i played arenas when i was 12 back in wod for like a half season, then didnt play until SL and got 1900 in s1

so i kinda got 1900 in my first season of legitimately playing arenas, but a lot of the base stuff was learned when i was a literal 12 year old

i also played smite tournaments which has a lot of the same basic skills of CD trading, kiting, team coordination etc that helped

[topaz tulip]

That's kinda wild. But why'd you wait til sL?

[mild thunder]

didnt have a pc from 12-19, started playing classic around when it came out, met a few guys and they convinced me to play SL

[topaz tulip]

Personally don't think it's terrible, but have been considering a slight build mod. A few close calls on people I would have killed pre nerfs

[grand scaffold]

now watch troma gonna show up and say something

[mild thunder]

about as good as it was tbh, it's 4% total less dmg

still 10-20% extra ms dmg per stack

[grand scaffold]

thats neat

why dont you like unhinged in the sks build

bladestorm feels goofy without it

[topaz tulip]

Wait so, exe itself isn't dropping the overall by more than 4%?

[grand scaffold]

no

ep is a ms nerf

[mild thunder]

sks go is usually rend > cs > sks > sharpened ms (if they're low enough) > exe/ms spam depending on whats up

[grand scaffold]

ok

[mild thunder]

doesnt leave a whole lot of room for a bladestorm

[grand scaffold]

whats the burst setup

[topaz tulip]

I thought they dropped ex dam too

[mild thunder]

and gives me more room to use it as utility

[grand scaffold]

nop

[mild thunder]

nah, just the modifier from EP

[topaz tulip]

well now I gotta wonder why I feel like ex is doing less lately when I haven't changed anything

[mild thunder]

im also normally running sks into uhdk, lock etc that have tons of pets that would soak unhinged anyway

so i got used to not using it

[topaz tulip]

Are you still dogging the double bs build or is it semi valid?

[white ocean]

any PVP guides with BIS list?

[mild thunder]

bmt + unhinged is still incredibly strong into the stuff it was strong into before

[topaz tulip]

I just use https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/solo or creep on mud

[white ocean]

thanks

[mild thunder]

crit is usually better than haste
if a piece has crit, pick crit
if a piece has no crit, pick haste
craft the 424 helmet and boots
take tier pieces on shoulder, chest, legs, gloves
take badge of ferocity as your 2nd trinket, can swap with the health boost into some matchups

[white ocean]

ok tyty

[copper hare]

wtf

you could be my son

[mild thunder]

yea most of the people i play with could almost be my dad

not many people <30 play this game lol

[topaz tulip]

What would that be?

[mild thunder]

very good into rogues for the off-gcd bladestorm proc, but pretty much anything that has <2 pets and cant escape spear too easily

into locks and hpals, you're at least forcing bop or gate with spear, but against dk's its literally deaths advance

[topaz tulip]

I'm still only on 2 or 3p and it makes me sad. pve gear has 4p and the uprate on ex makes the whole build feel more fluid

[topaz tulip]

I find myself using more roar than spear anyway, so maybe i'll just add that. Help with snares too

I think the only game I played all week without a lock/dk is the one with two pally and a damn brewmaster

[mild thunder]

brewmaster meta

at least its not as egregious as SL prot pala or early DF guardian

[topaz tulip]

No it's not bad at all. But those few matches they pop up are always stupid

[grand scaffold]

guys

sks

is the wave

no doubt in my mind

i 1 shotted this sp

he had no time to react

[mild thunder]

yea sks build is incredibly fun

[obtuse coral]

whats the build

the ones in the pins?

[grand scaffold]

bri'

[mild thunder]

getting to maintain and multi-rend is my favourite part

[grand scaffold]

bro

how have i been sleeping on this for so long

[topaz tulip]

ye. can swap ep if you want though

[grand scaffold]

i changed the one in pins a bit

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERSSSSKlSSAAAAABRiAJAR0okkQSoJRIBgEJAAAAAAAAkQCCA0QA

[lean burrow]

you just rend-cs-sks?

[grand scaffold]

sharpen before sks

but yeah

it hits really hard

[topaz tulip]

and jsut make sure it's on spear yeah?

[lean burrow]

is 1% crit better than 1 min roar?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild thunder]

1% crit is 1% closer to happiness

[grand scaffold]

i dont like 1 min on roar

half the time you cant even use it on 1 min cd because cs on cd

im really not a fan of that talent

[obtuse coral]

also quick question, ive noticed a lot of people top of later have the mastery wep

is mastery wep better than the crit one?

[lean burrow]

i thought it's good to always have something with cs since cs is 30 sec

[mild thunder]

they either got it from vault or are converted fury mains

[lean burrow]

30-35

[obtuse coral]

ah never though about the fury swap thing

would sks build make mastery better to go for? since it makes the deep wounds dot bigger so bigger sks or am i dumb

[grand scaffold]

nope

[topaz tulip]

As a converted fury main, don't waste your currency on mastery here

[grand scaffold]

it doesnt make deep wounds bigger

it increases the modifier from deep wounds

i think crit is best

if sks crits somebody is cancelling wow sub

[obtuse coral]

does the sks damage show up in details properly or does it it add the damage to the bleed

[grand scaffold]

sks dmg shows

and bleed dmg shows

[mild thunder]

on a pure dps level, haste will always outscale crit
in pvp, haste also has the added benefit of smoothing out your rotation
haste also directly buffs your bleeds' tick-rate and overall dmg

[grand scaffold]

the dot expiration doesnt count as sks dmg

[grand scaffold]

true

but sks crits

its a good time

[obtuse coral]

well thats awkward cause ive pretty much stacked crit so far :p

[topaz tulip]

Think about it like this, every tick of bleed can crit. If you build more crit, you automatically get 200% dam out of it. How much mastery you gotta build to get 200% more dam out of bleeds?

[mild thunder]

crit is still incredibly good too, just comparing haste/mastery

[grand scaffold]

crit or haste for sks?

[mild thunder]

im still 100% onboard the 10%haste > crit > haste > mastery train

[grand scaffold]

yup

[obtuse coral]

this is what my stats are looking like

[topaz tulip]

Damn yall stop at 10?

okay I'm good

[mild thunder]

i think if you're newer to the spec, a bit more haste is probably fine to smooth out the rotation a bit

but overall, i do think crit will net you a greater benefit

[topaz tulip]

Nah my stats are virtually the same

except I think i only have 9% on mast

[obtuse coral]

you cant have 9% mast

[topaz tulip]

cba to char shift rn

[obtuse coral]

11% is the base

i have +0 mastery and im 11% :p

[topaz tulip]

hmmm

[mild thunder]

he hates mastery so much he goes below zero

what a gigachad

[topaz tulip]

lmao

i love mast

[obtuse coral]

haha

[topaz tulip]

on fury

gimmie sec

yall makin me wonder

[topaz tulip]

well fuck maybe it's 19

we'll see

[obtuse coral]

man ive been farming rares for like the last 5 days straight to try get a spark to make the boots and still nothing

[topaz tulip]

you don't only get it from rares

it can come from dirt bro

literally anything can drop it

[obtuse coral]

im not liked enough to dig dirt

[topaz tulip]

it's worth the grind

if you craft you can find knowledge in them too

[obtuse coral]

but yeah its just the 30 min rares spawn pretty in line with my solo shuffle games

so works out

[mild thunder]

pretty sure this is how most people'll look... we get something like 4-500 unavoidable mastery from tier gloves and crafted boots

[obtuse coral]

yeah ive only got 2 set and no boots

[mild thunder]

its not a bad stat, it's just nowhere near as good as crit or haste

[obtuse coral]

and a 421 wep

:(

[topaz tulip]

so does opening 20 explorer packs and dirt

lot more rolls though

[topaz tulip]

which is kind of why i wonder why we don't just tier the helm and trash the crafted one. Is the buff uptime that high?

[obtuse coral]

the debuff does quite a bit of damage

[mild thunder]

the buff smacks against melee

[obtuse coral]

it 100% outweighs the lower hate/crit

plus i think the tier helm also has mastery

[mild thunder]

but yea overall ~200 haste/mast isn't that big of a deal

[topaz tulip]

actually nvm, I didn't realize it was hast/mast when you tier helm. Thought it was haste/verse

[obtuse coral]

i feel like 1 in every 10 games i actually get to leave d stance and do damage

most of the time im vs warlocks and ele shams and have to play super safe

[topaz tulip]

for the sake of pve content, I haven't had a chance to craft one yet. Got two two infusions I cant use now and no sparks cuz of it

I guess i'm playing the game wrong because I haven't stayed in dstance for more than like 10 seconds in any match

[grand scaffold]

bois

sks

is the move

[obtuse coral]

might just stay battle stance and try 1 shot people before they kill me

[grand scaffold]

use sks!

[obtuse coral]

in queue going to try it out

[grand scaffold]

bro

i got the best sks build

literally so baller

[scarlet sorrel]

Care to share?

[grand scaffold]

i did above

lemme link the message

[grand scaffold]

.

[grand scaffold]

.

[native thunder]

shuffle with tanks? wtf

[grand scaffold]

eesh

[native thunder]

this is so stupid

[grand scaffold]

what tanks?

😂

[native thunder]

two prot pally

[grand scaffold]

yikes

cleave the dps

you should win but that comp is real goofy

[native thunder]

all ranged dps

except me

[grand scaffold]

oh yuck

that is so horrid

sorry my guy

[native thunder]

I can't believe I waited 30min for this shit lol

[grand scaffold]

it happens man

you'll have a better next game

[topaz tulip]

Mine was pally/war, with two frost and a bm hunt

[native thunder]

This game sometimes I swear

Yeah I had Destro Lock, Frost Mage, MM hunter lol

I won 1/6

[obtuse coral]

man what the fuck is dev evoker

deep breath > eternity surge is like 400k damage

[topaz tulip]

Fucking same bro

[topaz tulip]

Yeah their damage is actually stupid. If you ignore them and just wait til the end, you'll find that they're toping most charts with or without pet padding

assuming you don't burst someone fast enough that it doesn't matter

[obtuse coral]

and they're so hard to get on

2 dashes that let them cast while moving

deep breath which is a dash that makes it so you cant cc them

two walls and a self heal

i swear more people would play them if they werent super boring

[topaz tulip]

Also the buff that blocks 3 instances of hard cc and the root breaks

[lean burrow]

just survive first burst of dragon rage + tip scales

then stun+cs every 30 sec until they crack

[topaz tulip]

Of course. Although, do you prioritize evoks? I normally go for whoever the other one is, because I always have more problems from them. Most evoks use their damage to run when you jump on them lol

at least, where I am

[lean burrow]

evokers are squishy

kill them if nobody else is easier to kill

[topaz tulip]

I almost never see them without a mage/priest/lock/rouge, all of which I prioritize higher

[lean burrow]

i'd go for evoker than mage or priest

[topaz tulip]

noted. Any particular reason?

[lean burrow]

easier to kill?

first go you go other dps because of nullifying shroud

but after that you can go evoker every 30 sec

[topaz tulip]

I'll try it out

[grand scaffold]

guys

im telling you