i dont like shuffle i think it is a bad addition to the game unironically
#pvp
hazy isle
austere gate
everyones got tier set in top
high sparrow
i literally just played a SS game with a frost mage whos never been above 1700 in actual arena, his 3v3 was a solid 35% winrate after 200 games at 1100 cr, but in SS he was 2300 cr
fair tide
shuffle is just killing 3v3 right now
mild thunder
you dont fucking raid for tier
high sparrow
i literally just played a SS game with a frost mage whos never been above 1700 i...
and is this is the norm more often than not
austere gate
😮
high sparrow
im sure these are just people who dont take arena seriously 🤪
bright stream
i literally just played a SS game with a frost mage whos never been above 1700 i...
sounds like he's being in the lab learning the game because SS made pvp accessible
fair tide
sounds like he's being in the lab learning the game because SS made pvp accessib...
exactly
drifting jacinth
sounds like he's being in the lab learning the game because SS made pvp accessib...
yea at the cost of making 3's accessible
sage raptor
does WoW have a memory leak?
bright stream
yea at the cost of making 3's accessible
3s was never accessible, that's some clown car take
fair tide
the players? yes
mild venture
i literally just played a SS game with a frost mage whos never been above 1700 i...
Yes, he's likely a dick and no one liked him enough to play with him more than once. He's good, just not a good friend.
high sparrow
sounds like he's being in the lab learning the game because SS made pvp accessib...
yea, him and the 2700 solo shuffle demon hunters also stuck at 1.3k in actual arena
hazy isle
i dont feel like 3s before were as inaccessible as ppl make them out to be
drifting jacinth
3s was never accessible, that's some clown car take
u even play SL pvp???
mild thunder
SS is held back by way too many things... long queues, lack of incentives to improve, hyper-inflation, spec-bottlenecking seeming way worse, cointoss lobbies etc
mild thunder
bs
bright stream
and having to tolerate fragile fucking egos
sage raptor
the game crashed from "not having enough memory" and I logged back in and now the character I queued in the shuffle with is naked in the character select screen
mild thunder
im an oce player and i found tons of people to play with
bright stream
you could literally lfg glad in SL
big time sink
drifting jacinth
or you play a free glad class
bright stream
im an oce player and i found tons of people to play with
bro, when are you playing/in the LFG? You basically have to be doing it in the middle of the day - are you on disability pension?
mild thunder
honestly, my bet is that overall pvp participation isnt even that much greater this xpac, its just that people are playing mostly one bracket instead of being split among 2s/3s/rbgs
placid marlin
fuck assa man
hazy isle
honestly, my bet is that overall pvp participation isnt even that much greater t...
Yea i think so too
mild thunder
bro, when are you playing/in the LFG? You basically have to be doing it in the m...
- i work shifts
- there are heaps on the weekend
hazy isle
sl s1 prob had more ppl
drifting jacinth
sl s1 was way easier than rn
bright stream
1. i work shifts
2. there are heaps on the weekend
yeah so your flexibility allows you to do it - but for anyone who has responsibilities or a family weekends are out, and unless you're working shifts, its not great (which as an adult, unless you're a chef - oof)
drifting jacinth
he counted them himself
late nacelle
U can compare season to season
drifting jacinth
gnome magic
late nacelle
1 for ur mom 1 for ur dad and 1 for u
drifting jacinth
we def have way less people playing than we did in SL
mild thunder
yeah so your flexibility allows you to do it - but for anyone who has responsib...
if you dont have weekends/afternoons to play, you're not going to get games anyway lmao
late nacelle
Exp to exp
mild thunder
i dont play at particularly wild/unique times, except for the last few weeks
sage raptor
the game crashed from "not having enough memory" and I logged back in and now th...
and I have deserter :)
bright stream
if you dont have weekends/afternoons to play, you're not going to get games anyw...
most people would be available to play sunday->thursday in the evenings
mild thunder
i usually play late afternoons and weekends, and have found plenty of players
bright stream
when the significant majority of the playerbase is asleep
mild thunder
But alt behavior is likely somewhat constant
big doubt
most people i know have gone from 1-2 chars in SL to playing either 4-5 dps or all the healers at once
late nacelle
I have most people doing what they did previous xp
mild thunder
im doing what i always do - level alts and never play them :))
late nacelle
But the number would have to be something like 50-60% more alts than normal
For this not to be the most played pvp season
bright stream
For this not to be the most played pvp season
given that this is the most successful xpac in a while, first season of it, nerf format, super accessible
I cannot see how it wouldnt be
late nacelle
Its just grognards hating on solo shuff who have a hard time with change
drifting jacinth
successful in reception but not participation
mild thunder
But the number would have to be something like 50-60% more alts than normal
i wouldnt even doubt that tbh... on top of being alt-accessible in terms of gearing, shuffle is also alt-accessible for play
bright stream
we've had seasons where 270,000/~300,000-330,000 players were banned from PvP
and my understanding was before that PvP was at peak players
fossil mortar
Question, how does Fatal Mark work for PvP?
late nacelle
Yes
fossil mortar
I guess half or no damage?
bright stream
so that's kinda my bar for where I think participation has to be to meet/be the highest
late nacelle
Its decent in deep damp
drifting jacinth
PvP was at its peak in cata
late nacelle
Will defo win u some games
mild thunder
I guess half or no damage?
pretty sure its 33% dmg
bright stream
PvP was at its peak in cata
smooth brain AF
mild thunder
its okay, not particularly great
vivid pumice
my experience in 3s, while limited, came out to just people buying carries, where 2 people on the team would be fullly stacked and crushing, and one person doing 8% of the total damage hiding in a corner or dying every match
mild thunder
PvP was at its peak in mop-wod
bright stream
literally a heroic raiding seasons in cata
mild thunder
and this is the only correct answer
drifting jacinth
smooth brain AF
you clearly didnt play on darkspear
late nacelle
Legion season 1
bright stream
PvP was at its peak in mop-wod
season 14-15 best seasons, 16-18 very good
late nacelle
Was my favourite season
bright stream
you clearly didnt play on darkspear
no, but I wouldn't want to be a second rate hack
drifting jacinth
mop pvp was the sweatiest shit in existence
mild thunder
wod was, from memory, very well balanced, even with the pruning had well-designed specs, there wasnt as much of the 1shot bs as there is today
i just remember frost mage was aids
high sparrow
literally a heroic raiding seasons in cata
this was only true for dragon soul, which was 1 of the 3 cata seasons
vivid pumice
honestly, Everyone can keep all their CC if I can just have Throw Down back
drifting jacinth
Cata-Mop glory days
bright stream
this was only true for dragon soul, which was 1 of the 3 cata seasons
DS was half the xpac, and Firelands had the staff. The majority of the xpac was PvE items were required.
high sparrow
DS was half the xpac, and Firelands had the staff. The majority of the xpac was ...
the staff was giga rare
bright stream
the staff was giga rare
doesn't matter if it's objectively better
imagine having to raid to be competitive
late nacelle
Scabbard of kyanos oneshots in arenas so fun
drifting jacinth
WoD was turboshit
high sparrow
it does, the staff barely bothered me because i saw it once every 50 games if that
vivid pumice
Cata Arms War with Throwdown into BS was so good
bright stream
Scabbard of kyanos oneshots in arenas so fun
super fun, glad they nipped it in the bud eventually
mild thunder
the other thing that's been missed is how shuffle caters really hard to specific types of specs > mongo specs
high sparrow
as opposed to season 3 cata seeing gurthalak and the idiotic caster trinkets every other game
mild thunder
playing shuffle as a setup spec like sv or (non-broken) rogue is a lot harder than a drooling dh
bright stream
as opposed to season 3 cata seeing gurthalak and the idiotic caster trinkets eve...
was very bad that season yes - there was a rogue trinket in season 13 as well
season 12 was a shitshow for balance with caster/hunter
vivid pumice
and BS doing more damge with SS active in Cata was so busted
late nacelle
They should give us back mortal combo and the mega slam dmg proc
That would make arms giga busted but sooo fun
sage raptor
who tf cares about balance in a game thats never seen it?
thick reef
They should give us back mortal combo and the mega slam dmg proc
also kinda biased but i like safeguar to be brought bacjk
bright stream
the dps rotation is so dull
nah now I know you're trolling, arms literally the best spec in the game
vivid pumice
just imagine Charge>Throwdown>spear>SS>Avatar>BS
thick reef
i liked it
mild thunder
nah now I know you're trolling, arms literally the best spec in the game
you dont even play arms 
late nacelle
I prefer vigilance tbh
mild thunder
fury main
drifting jacinth
Arms is fuckin boring as shit
late nacelle
Just an external
thick reef
ah
late nacelle
30% DR
drifting jacinth
I hate when arms is good
late nacelle
Put on ally
bright stream
you dont even play arms <:garms:917120195527598201>
nah I've been playing arms since the DK changes - and have played it a lot in the past (primarily in PvE though when I gave up on the PvP dream)
bright stream
arms actually my favorite spec
latent hazel
I hate when arms is good
bro fury is the most dent warrior spec
mild thunder
arms has an amazingly dull dps rotation
latent hazel
fury is the real zug zug me hit healer spec
mild thunder
idk how anyone can defend it
vivid pumice
Arms is one of those specs where when its good, it's super good, and when its bad it's unplayable
late nacelle
Im originally a fury pve savant so the spec will always have a special place in my heart
bright stream
probably the worst designed melee spec?
late nacelle
Think I will play some now that I have 2 weapons
bright stream
Titans grip is hella cringe
vivid pumice
fury is a two button chump
thick reef
yea it is
late nacelle
Just dont play the bloodthrist shit
drifting jacinth
not with dual corrupted ashbringers
late nacelle
Crushing blow
thick reef
its a exereise for ur hands by pressing 2 buttons a shard as u can
bright stream
if they pushed it towards SMF
mild thunder
arms actually my favorite spec
our bleeds do shit damage so unless we fully spec into them, we're not incentivised to maintain them
there's way too much rage so we dont have to properly manage it
too much proc-reliance so that there's very little pre-planning
too many ms resets, makes the spell feel less rewarding to use
drifting jacinth
if they pushed it towards SMF
Soy Minded Fury
sage raptor
prot has a fun gameplay loop. shame its a tank
vivid pumice
our bleeds do shit damage so unless we fully spec into them, we're not incentivi...
idk MS feels rewarding to press no matter how many resets i get
bright stream
our bleeds do shit damage so unless we fully spec into them, we're not incentivi...
I think the core 'flaw' with the spec is it was heavily moved towards condemn in 9.0
latent hazel
Dagger fury u can rampage every global almost
cursed spec
mild thunder
DF should have been a "greatest hits" of all the things that made arms great in the past... instead we got SL arms with a few changes and more SL stuff
its not good
late nacelle
I dont even think fury is too bad
bright stream
Dagger fury u can rampage every global almost
3 globals as daggers, weapon swap for 12 seconds to 2hs, swap back to daggers LOL
thick reef
it can pump a bit
late nacelle
Should be competetive in arms for solo shuff at least
thick reef
buffs def improved it a lil bit
sage raptor
I wish no one got SL abilities in DF
drifting jacinth
Raging blow should hit like Overpower imo
mild thunder
I think the core 'flaw' with the spec is it was heavily moved towards condemn in...
the major design flaw is rage-flooding atm
thick reef
Raging blow should hit like Overpower imo
true
mild thunder
i dont think we're particularly pushed toward condemn
late nacelle
I want the bloodthirst clear slows n snares thing
thick reef
yea
late nacelle
Not a fan of bloodrage
bright stream
i dont think we're particularly pushed toward condemn
the reason it's rage flooded is because you're meant to be able to easily dump the rage via condemn
mild thunder
Not a fan of bloodrage
ah yes, add more effects to bt so fury never has to even press off-gcd bloodrage
not like its already a 1 button spec
bright stream
which was how the spec played basically all throughout SLands, and what determined if it was good/bad in PvE more or less
mild thunder
the reason it's rage flooded is because you're meant to be able to easily dump t...
the reason it's rage-flooded is because we got more rage-efficiency talents this xpac
that we used to have to choose between
not because of condemn
bright stream
most of them are passives that previously existed
late nacelle
I mean
vivid pumice
idk i feel like the problem arms has is half the tree is buffing execute, and the other half is buffing bleeds, with everything else just kind of fitting in somewhere that forces you to go in one direction or the other, but the bleeds don't do much damage, and execute procs aren't super consistent
drifting jacinth
BT build is retarded
late nacelle
It is 100% because of condemn
mild thunder
passives that previously existed, but not that we previously used
vivid pumice
but Idk i'm a 1800 andy so what do i know
late nacelle
Did u try without condemn in SL? Same as now
latent hazel
idk i feel like the problem arms has is half the tree is buffing execute, and th...
wdym
we have talents the buff MS aswell
bright stream
Did u try without condemn in SL? Same as now
yep
latent hazel
and OP
drifting jacinth
rage management is lame as balls
bright stream
there's a reason why anyone who picked up condemn as arms fucking loved it
smoothed out all the kinks in the rotation essentially
late nacelle
Spear of bastion needs to be arcane dmg and odyns fury needs to be fire dmg
Thats it
The 1 change I want
sage raptor
theres no kinks if theres only one button
bright stream
idk, i didnt like it
that's super fair
thick reef
it was ok
drifting jacinth
nobody asked for spear
bright stream
Spear of bastion needs to be arcane dmg and odyns fury needs to be fire dmg
excellent take
thick reef
it did seem to help dump rage
bright stream
nobody asked for spear
almost feels like it should be a paladin ability doesnt it?
vivid pumice
we have talents the buff MS aswell
I just feel like the tree doesn't synergize well, and you're forced into one niche or the other, but like i said, what do I know. I'm not a numbers person so I can only go off of gut feel
drifting jacinth
almost feels like it should be a paladin ability doesnt it?
100%
sage raptor
nobody asked for spear
literally every SL ability I wanted going into DF I didnt get. Like Aftershock or Rogue's Flag.
thick reef
ez
thick reef
nah im jp paly would be insane with tha
bright stream
big scary flag button
thick reef
conq was so fun t press
mild thunder
almost feels like it should be a paladin ability doesnt it?
i want spear removed
drifting jacinth
Elysian might is so fucking stupid
thick reef
it just sucked when ppl had brains and traded
vivid pumice
conq banner
i would put my entire fist through a child's skull to get conq banner back
thick reef
or tried to ru naway
sage raptor
replace with ancient aftershock! >:D
bright stream
i want spear removed
spear gone - give us condemn/conq banner imo
thick reef
yea do it
mild thunder
i was actually working on making a mock-up arms talent tree for a rework, there's a website that lets you make one
thick reef
i dont like spear as much as conq
bright stream
replace with ancient aftershock! >:D
AA is a fury ability, and I won't be convinced otherwise
late nacelle
Ye condemn i would want back for sure
mild thunder
none of the cov abilities were fun enough to keep
late nacelle
Super good
mild thunder
condemn is impossible to balance while keeping the spec interesting
thick reef
i want condemn with death sentance again but that would be too dumb
late nacelle
The absorb it did as well
drifting jacinth
if it wasnt for condemn execute wouldnt look cool
vivid pumice
none of the cov abilities were fun enough to keep
I liked Malxraxxus Banner
late nacelle
So good ability
mild thunder
I liked Malxraxxus Banner
you liked a press-and-forget button that just gave you a boring stat stick?
bright stream
condemn is impossible to balance while keeping the spec interesting
wouldnt be surprised if this is the reason its gone tbh
sage raptor
but tbf, Warrior also had the best abilities in terms of how useful the abilities were.
drifting jacinth
S4 prepatch arms was the most pepega shit in existence
late nacelle
I also want shadow of colossus to reset CS cd instead of OP
mild thunder
stat-stick/%dmg increase buffs shouldnt be brought into the game anymore
sage raptor
prepatch gdruid was the worst
bright stream
(we spend so little time talking about pvp in this channel)
mild thunder
they're boring af and relics of the past
thick reef
I also want shadow of colossus to reset CS cd instead of OP
yea its so bad rn
should def rework talent
mild thunder
the most fun and engaging burst abilities interact with your rotation; speed it up etc
bright stream
they're boring af and relics of the past
wish they'd nuke slappy hands as well
mild thunder
like recklessness or berserk
bright stream
mind games can stay, that ones pretty cool
sage raptor
wish they'd nuke slappy hands as well
luckily for you they did
late nacelle
Also duel should makr everyone else immune to dmg from ur target
drifting jacinth
(we spend so little time talking about pvp in this channel)
pvp of ideas
late nacelle
And be a baseline ability
bright stream
luckily for you they did
tbh - given how shit/inconsistent it was before, it basically works the same
sage raptor
it pulled every four seconds. Work consistently for me lol
bright stream
nah it'd bug out on roots constantly
drifting jacinth
give us a Samurai spec
bright stream
but now dk has 2 grips
I honestly, couldn't believe it when this happened, 2 DA, WW, 2 grips
actually madness
sage raptor
no
late nacelle
That lets us use abilities during bladestorm
That would be interesting
And op
Xd
drifting jacinth
based
bright stream
That lets us use abilities during bladestorm
I just want a glyph that makes bladestorm make me feel less stupid for using it - I don't like being a beyblade
thick reef
Big fat mortal strikes from unhigned and executes comign in
drifting jacinth
all other clases are dogshit when they can beat warrior
lean burrow
We get a talent
Mortalest Strike - hit enemy dealing 200% of your max health as physical damage. Reset by Mortal Strike.
then we would be at least B tier
thick reef
goat change
mild thunder
i want the bmt/wlt choice node replaced by a new bloodbath and fiery brand node
Bloodbath: For the duration of Avatar, all your attacks cause enemies hit to bleed for an additional 60% of the damage dealt over 12 seconds.
Fiery Brand: Upon casting Avatar, you ignire your weapon. All attacks cause an additional (30%) of attack power as damage.
something cool and thematic
thick reef
we shouyld be in charge of blizzard
mild thunder
effects could be more interesting
late nacelle
Or the 10% max hp dmg on every CS ignoring armor
mild thunder
idk, arms needs NEW stuff
not SL 2.0 mechanics
arms needs COOL THEMATIC stuff
not bright blue spear of bastion
late nacelle
Bloodbath was so busted for m+
drifting jacinth
we shouyld be in charge of blizzard
Bobby would like a word with you
lean burrow
mild thunder
well fiery brand is cooler imo
late nacelle
Topping the charts
mild thunder
imagine popping avatar and you get a huge fucking flaming sword
late nacelle
2800 rounds
Wtf
mild thunder
change our boring ass mastery too
make it into something like "Your critical strikes cause the target to bleed for x.xx% additional damage over 6 seconds."
burst bleed like it used to be
scaling with mastery
thick reef
Bobby would like a word with you
LMAO
mild thunder
instead of dull, passive bleed thats maintained with our most dull rotation
turn slam into a ~13s CD mini-burst ability
bring back heroic strike as a filler that interacts with our bleeds
mild thunder
either consumes 10% of their damage instantly, or grants a stacking bleed dmg buff
mild thunder
shouldnt increase your damage
but should do increased crit dam/increased crit chance
thick reef
yeah m,ake it have a cd but do dam
mild thunder
yep
sage raptor
I'd like less damage modifiers in general
mild thunder
so that is slams
mild thunder
I'd like less damage modifiers in general
that too
nuke cs to 15% imo
nuke avatar to 10-15%
thick reef
yea
sage raptor
I think outlaw is good like that because it doesnt really have DMG modifiers outside of rng procs.
mild thunder
the boring part of outlaw is that the rotation doesnt switch up outside of rng procs
rotations should have different phases
like our exe/non-exe phase
fury reck/non-reck phase
feral berserk/non-berserk phase
sage raptor
I cant believe rogue kept Echoing Reprimand
why on earth was bringing a mini game with combo points into the new expac a good idea
mild thunder
ER is horrible design
drifting jacinth
outlaw is good cause pirates
drifting jacinth
nuff said
copper hare
2800 rounds
that's like 5 years of queuing as a dps
drifting jacinth
assuming most of the que's are 15-17 min thats over 100 hours
sage raptor
and thats a generous assumption
mild thunder
but yea i think i have a very good list of 11.0 arms changes
nuke rage gen
nuke cs to 15%
change avatar mod choice node to bloodbath/fiery brand or something else thematic and cool
remove ms reset effects
make bleeds worth maintaining
change our mastery
make slam a short CD mini-burst
return heroic strike as interactive filler (stacking bleed %dmg increase or consumes x% of bleeds on use)
reduce mobility
add more interesting utility on choice nodes to ensure no utility bloat (safeugard/overwatch node, 12sec charge/charge stun node etc.)
late nacelle
I have 2k rounds across my chars but all are 2400 at least
drifting jacinth
blizz, hire me
"We want you for Warcraft Immortal"
late nacelle
Xd
mild thunder
"We want you for Warcraft Immortal"
copper hare
remove slam and bring in heroic strike
late nacelle
Nah arms is fine as is, if ur bored u can reroll
vivid pumice
So fucking sad Fiery Brand never made it to Live
sage raptor
frok now on
spoken like a true warrior
late nacelle
Minor tweaks needed only
thick reef
spoken like a true warrior
drifting jacinth
in an ideal world the whole game would get a rework
sage raptor
remember when there was an MS datamined for frost mage?
copper hare
we need a rage dump like heroic strike again, specially in pve you're rage capped most of the time even with pressing ignore pain on cd
drifting jacinth
WoW 2
sage raptor
that was spooky
late nacelle
In an ideal world we wouldnt be playing video games
mild thunder
in an ideal world there would be no world
sage raptor
in an ideal world, you wouldnt play the game we play.
late nacelle
Tbh tabletop miniature games more fun than wow anyway
mild thunder
Troma is the key to getting warrior changes
that man gets shit done
he singlehandedly got prot nuked 3 weeks in a row in pvp
sage raptor
ikr? wtf was that about
drifting jacinth
One day we will get a good 40k mmo
late nacelle
40k sucks cock
drifting jacinth
40k sucks cock
leave
mild thunder
ikr? wtf was that about
blizz 100% was stalking this server
every time he found something they'd nerf tf out of it
late nacelle
40k is for people with too small penises for fantasy
sage raptor
oh for sure they stalk servers. Flark got bdk nerfed. Arguably the worst spec in the game
and still got nerfed
drifting jacinth
40k is for people with too small penises for fantasy
go play FATAL rpg you gobshite
mild thunder
oh for sure they stalk servers. Flark got bdk nerfed. Arguably the worst spec in...
even since then he's had that massive wpvp idea that he put forward and was talking to a wow animation dev about returning some of the old race-specific animations
he's a madman
mild thunder
yep
drifting jacinth
blood dk is the only valid dk spec imo
sage raptor
blood dk is the only valid dk spec imo
I did thorough testing today and I found some tech
mild thunder
the new animations are so dull and cartoonish
the old male human overhead swing felt so cool
or the orc slam
vivid pumice
race specific anims? I don't know any outside of casting
mild thunder
or the worgen frontflip
vivid pumice
oh yeah the melee anims
mild thunder
race specific anims? I don't know any outside of casting
all removed w/ legion
sage raptor
does the male draenai still spin the crossbow when they shoot?
mild thunder
the dwarf spin
vivid pumice
like the undead 2h swing where they looked like they were gonna drop their weapon because it was too heavy
mild thunder
literally all the old anims were badass
vivid pumice
idk i don't miss the Belf golf swing on 2h weapons
mild thunder
the only new animation that i kinda like is massacre/condemn, but that one sucks because of the damage delay
and still looks a bit too silly
has anyone here even played fdk since legion? holy fuck it looks like a joke
little sky-hop on every frost strike 
im a fucking corpse
sage raptor
the undead necrotic strike (may it rest in piece) was pretty good
drifting jacinth
has anyone here even played fdk since legion? holy fuck it looks like a joke
you mean ret pally dk?
mild thunder
not a bunny rabbit
i do like the blade of justice anim
where they point their weapon sorta thing
that looks cool
drifting jacinth
true
mild thunder
and final verdict with the spinning hammer thingh
sage raptor
lol remember the flip when using Eviscerate?
vivid pumice
the goofy ass spin they do when they TV is stupid though
late nacelle
Of u care about animations u might as well go play hello kitty adventure
mild thunder
idk about TV
late nacelle
Real men play without graphics
drifting jacinth
Of u care about animations u might as well go play hello kitty adventure
I will
mild thunder
common Wise Gnome L
drifting jacinth
vivid pumice
the new divine storm anim is cool
mild thunder
the worst new animation tho
holy fuck its so bad
fucking WHIRLWIND
holy shit
that looks
so bad
drifting jacinth
preachin to the choir
mild thunder
especially as arms because you can tell its designed as a DW animation
so there's just this weird little one-handed twirl
vivid pumice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUcff2Pnn-o the 3rd or 4th animation in this video
is the TV anim and it looks so goofy
drifting jacinth
whirlwind is the worst thing about fury
vivid pumice
I mean it looks cool when in slow motion but when you see them do it like 2-3 times in a row it's stupid as hell
mild thunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUcff2Pnn-o the 3rd or 4th animation in this vid...
ah yea, it changes with FV
looks way better
drifting jacinth
merciless bonegrinder
sage raptor
I miss that ui
your mom is a merciless bonegrinder the way she grinds on my bone mercilessly
carmine cairn
how is Arms in solo shuffle?
mild thunder
FFFF tier
carmine cairn
realy? why
drifting jacinth
your mom is a merciless bonegrinder the way she grinds on my bone mercilessly
that was me
I am my mom
vivid pumice
Arms wrecks in SS unless the comp is mage/hunter, or mage/mage, or mage/druid, or mage/rogue, or...well you get it
sage raptor
how is Arms in solo shuffle?
just go prot and put bodyguard on your dps teammate so no one dies and you win by default
(its a real strat and it works all the time)
drifting jacinth
brewmaster on ladder is crazy rn
mild thunder
realy? why
because i said so
vivid pumice
Anything that forces you to waddle aggressively at your opponent is just not fun to play into
carmine cairn
I just tired 3 SS it felt so good.
sage raptor
(its a real strat and it works all the time)
blizz I know youre here. it was a joke. Stay back!
vivid pumice
not unbeatable, but not super fun
carmine cairn
so you aer syaing it is just low rating. and arms sucks at high ranks?
drifting jacinth
Anything that forces you to waddle aggressively at your opponent is just not fun...
what ive been saying this whole time
mild thunder
woah, what are these new prot pvp nerfs on wowhead?
mild thunder
its one of us
drifting jacinth
he stole the mommy's milk
mild thunder
one of us is a blizz employee
sage raptor
my paranoid ass had to check lol
mild thunder
drifting jacinth
sage raptor
his tongue is in the bottle??
drifting jacinth
yup
vivid pumice
mage is, burn a charge, get blast waved, burn another charge, get nova'd, burn leap, get nova'd again, frost orb on top of you, limp in the direction of your healer before you eat a 150k glacial spike
sage raptor
thats so weird
mild thunder
https://tenor.com/view/boys-the-milk-gif-18445775
he just like me fr fr
drifting jacinth
thats so weird
he had to enjoy it while it lasts
drifting jacinth
mage is, burn a charge, get blast waved, burn another charge, get nova'd, burn l...
warriors need teleport
copper hare
Like legit, 25 min queue
sage raptor
take CS off gcd
drifting jacinth
poopsocker vs poopsocker
sage raptor
As you might know, World of Warcraft uses several Graphics APIs: Direct3D 11, Direct3D Legacy and Direct3D 12. Currently there's a massive memory leak if you have either of D3D11 APIs selected that happens every time game processes an environment transition (any kind of loading screen: logging in, changing zones).
I KNEW IT
late nacelle
Post feet
drifting jacinth
mild thunder
drifting jacinth
most men are closeted foot addicts
mild thunder
closeted?
drifting jacinth
Real men save their virginity for the aliens
brazen rock
sharp meteor
Healer pops are instant so it's easy to hammer games out.
full quiver
1800 in solo shuffle feels like 1200 in real games lol
lean burrow
2400 felt like 1600
stark eagle
swear every time its a game that breaks a new brackt you get actual muppets
mild venture
So with tomorrow, is there reason to swap talents to support Slam more, or am I good with a T-roar bleed style build?
mild thunder
Chances of slam being remotely viable are slim-to-none
We still won’t have the room in our rotation, and dumping 4 points to make a filler worthwhile when we only use it once every 20 globals doesn’t seem like a good idea
general consensus seems to be that bleeds + sks will become slightly better, but the regular ms + spear build will be almost as good as it is now
shy geyser
Is Psyfiend a minor guardian or pet?
shy geyser
trying to get my TP scale on it right
sweet folio
random question, what's the hardest you've guys hit with MS?
shy geyser
125kish i think in an actual arena if im remembering correctly
sharp meteor
150-200k hit with sharpen usually isn't recovered
tender tangle
Does the 5% movespeed talent stack with speed enchants? and is it worth it?
late nacelle
random question, what's the hardest you've guys hit with MS?
310k with SKS
MS is shit yo
mild thunder
Does the 5% movespeed talent stack with speed enchants? and is it worth it?
yes it stacks, it's worth if you have the spare points
not super useful if you're fighting other melee
tender tangle
@mild thunder okay, thanks
drifting jacinth
These are the players we need in 3's
mild thunder
sucka
thick reef
average ss convo
grand scaffold
how long is downtime today?
late nacelle
Nah
Reporting would help him
Let him keep making a clown of himself
That way the misery he feels is prolonged
grand scaffold
nah just clown on him harder than you got clowned on
lean burrow
clown on him to make him say more ToS breaking stuff
then end with "enjoy ban lmao"
pale minnow
nah he shit talked to me on bridge map that why I can't connect on elem , mage, mist monk xd
healer was down all game while he was fisting on top of bridge and dying
then i did the same vs him cuz he has no idea where his healer is
grand scaffold
bridge map is blades edge right?
sharp meteor
Mhm.
sharp meteor
clown on him to make him say more ToS breaking stuff
Yeah, gotta remember to make your side seem innocent.
Minimal engagement is ideal just let them go nuts.
BEST case scenario is politely informing them that you'd prefer if they were to avoid making further contact then blocking them, and then they whisper you from an alt.
ebon pivot
Might be a dumb question but how are we supposed to handle ele shaman? I've been trying to get 1800 in SS for the armor mog, and I keep bouncing back and forth between 1490-1600. Been getting a lot of ele or just full caster games, and it seems like wether I go aggressive or defensive I just end up getting melted. Currently running Arms MS build.
mild thunder
Might be a dumb question but how are we supposed to handle ele shaman? I've bee...
zerg
reflect stormkeeper
i love 2s
mild thunder
well that was just a test but yea
i usually just use my target-specific DR tracker ngl
sage raptor
I used to queue as bdk/hpal and people kept leaving and I got free cr
If I could do it again I would
mild thunder
i remember versing double blood dk in wod
when shit wasnt all oneshots
15 minute game
sage raptor
Pvp discords radicalized me. I used to not have a strong opinion on tanks but holy shit. Now I queue prot out of spite.
"I don't have fun when I queue into a tank" good fuck you. I'm queuing again.
Lol
mild thunder
"play what you enjoy... and is S tier :D"
sage raptor
There we go
bright stream
"play what you enjoy... and is S tier :D"
yep, done my time trying to make average specs work - just gonna play the best of a range of melee classes I like
frost, unholy, arms, fury, maybe even enhance
all 5 good and cool melee specs
sage raptor
My 3 are unholy, outlaw, prot warr. Rain or shine.
sage raptor
Pirates are cooler
bright stream
assass is whatever
sage raptor
Arg
bright stream
as long as we all agree
that ret paladin is big poo
imagine playing a video game with monsters and magic and you choose to play angry jesus as your character
no thanks
sage raptor
For now. We'll see how the rework goes
sage raptor
imagine playing a video game with monsters and magic and you choose to play angr...
Same thing but with humans
bright stream
Same thing but with humans
if only racials werent in pvp :/
mild thunder
My 3 are unholy, outlaw, prot warr. Rain or shine.
i still enjoy a few specs, but nothing hits the spot like arms does
bright stream
I'd have worgens, nelfs, velfs, darkiron
mild thunder
but i usually push on my ww and feral
bright stream
I can kinda respect WW/Feral
sage raptor
I'd have worgens, nelfs, velfs, darkiron
You can have them now
mild thunder
that ret paladin is big poo
i enjoy ret
not as much as i used to
but its okay
it was way more fun in mop/ret
sage raptor
I couldn't get into ret
bright stream
You can have them now
only darkiron doesn't feel terrible to play instead of human stun break
elfin surge
sage raptor
It'd be a lot better for me if plaguebringer didn't exist or didn't share a node with clawing shadows.
bright stream
unholy is nowhere near as fun as it used to be
MOP unholy was king, but
sage raptor
I'm very curious as to what blizz meant by more changes to unholy.
bright stream
dk is okay
its literally just trolling with grip and ranged kick that does it for me
no other class
feels like you can hear their healer raging the same way
sage raptor
Gripping warriors mid leap is life
bright stream
OCE ping grips are god tier
the amount of stooges I grip through pillars is incredible
bright stream
Gripping warriors mid leap is life
the gateway intercept is my fav
mild thunder
MOP unholy was king, but
necro plague was so cool
sage raptor
You kinda have to since it's on a one minute cooldown
mild thunder
its a shame they made the spec so boring
legion ruined so many fun and unique specs by turning them into generic build-and-spend
fury, unholy, boomy, enh...
sage raptor
But it made a gem with outlaw and arguably survival
bright stream
when you sand just close enough so that you can snap them back after they take the long gate
mild thunder
legion sv is very cool, but i dont think its worth how badly they ruined other stuff
like wod fury was such a fun spec
bright stream
holy shit, the endorphins
mild thunder
wod enh is probably my favourite spec of all time
bright stream
necro plague was so cool
necro plague version of unholy was way cooler than the current version - hard agree
mild thunder
just a classic CD rotation spec
sage raptor
I think fdk was more or less the same with legion. Just made it more of a DW spec.
bright stream
Legion FDK was last time it was good
mild thunder
yea fdk hasnt changed a whole lot, just had a bit of stuff removed and more put into fdk/obliterate
bright stream
like glacial advance and frost scythe
sage raptor
I'm pretty sure frost scythe is a filler ability.
mild thunder
glacial advance 💤
sage raptor
Pray the game doesn't crash
low cobalt
this game isn't practical for casual pvpers anymore it seems
sage raptor
You could do some wpvp between queues
bright stream
this game isn't practical for casual pvpers anymore it seems
bro its super casual
mild thunder
what do you do for 30 min
WQ or tmog runs
bright stream
what do you do for 30 min
realistically? same thing I did while waiting in 2-8 hour LFG before SS
other games, study, work, practice music
and mostly? talk utter garbage with Galachad and a few other regular degenerates in here
low cobalt
hmm...yea maybe irl things it is lol i have like 1.5 hours a night and its shitty to play like 2 games and be done
doesn't make sense
mild thunder
this game isn't practical for casual pvpers anymore it seems
this game is extremely casual-friendly
level up in ~5 hours
gear in 2-3
solo shuffle spam
easy
sage raptor
Queue times say otherwise
low cobalt
well i meant like, in SL 1.5 hours i could play a ton and get a lot of practice, but now its like i barely practice cuz the ques are too long
literally cant practice
mild thunder
queue times have nothing to do with whether its casual friendly
bright stream
hmm...yea maybe irl things it is lol i have like 1.5 hours a night and its shitt...
its reallll unusual to get back to back 30 minute queues most of the time, granted we're just running off US peak times now
so it's quite late for queuing
mild thunder
and even at low elo it takes <15 minutes
bright stream
you can queue again pretty often in around ~4 hours
late nacelle
U didnt buy 12 month sub? Oof enjoy ur queue times i got 10 sec queues at 2600
sage raptor
But casuals don't have that kind of time
bright stream
But casuals don't have that kind of time
I mean if you have less than 2 hours to play, WoW isnt really compatible with you outside of dungeons and battlegrounds
bright stream
there's a reason why people play til their mid 20s, and then disappear until their kids are 5 years old
sage raptor
This
mild thunder
mmo's dont cater to drop-in/drop-out gameplay, and they never should
play LoL or CoD or something
bright stream
single player games
late nacelle
Dwarf fortress
bright stream
lots of excellent SP games
mild thunder
^
late nacelle
Best game u will ever play
amber monolith
U didnt buy 12 month sub? Oof enjoy ur queue times i got 10 sec queues at 2600
Hello, how true is this claim that if you buy an annual subscription = lesser queue times?
mild thunder
play the witcher 3 upgrade
bright stream
Hello, how true is this claim that if you buy an annual subscription = lesser qu...
not a thing at all
late nacelle
Hello, how true is this claim that if you buy an annual subscription = lesser qu...
101%
bright stream
lol
mild thunder
Hello, how true is this claim that if you buy an annual subscription = lesser qu...
its not
sage raptor
Not at all
late nacelle
Its true
bright stream
I meant to say it works extra good if you send me free 12 month subs
mild thunder
its not true, but its worth buying the sub to find out 😉
bright stream
#gottem
late nacelle
Also dont forget shield swap
late nacelle
If u die u do 0 dmg
bright stream
That gcd could be spent on doing damage
dagger build weapon swap fury is A tier
genuinely, when conq caps unlock
gonna be everywhere
sage raptor
If u die u do 0 dmg
Press ip. Problem solved
bright stream
3/12gcds on daggers, swap to 2hs, swap back, just to maintain rampage stacks
daggerweave fury war - calling it now
spice hornet
i feel like dh glimpse should have al onger cd
sage raptor
Imagine arms ip was like prots
mild thunder
i feel like dh glimpse should have al onger cd
i feel like dh glimpse should be deleted
late nacelle
Dh should be removed from game
amber monolith
I don't think I'll get a 12 month sub since I'm about to rage quit at this game. I haven't hit 1800 yet Arms getting nerfed. hahahahaha RIP 
spice hornet
agreed
mild thunder
all these dh nerfs they came out with
late nacelle
Arms nerf?
mild thunder
wouldnt have been needed if dh was disarmable
late nacelle
What u on about
sage raptor
I don't think I'll get a 12 month sub since I'm about to rage quit at this game....
You rerolled?
bright stream
I don't think I'll get a 12 month sub since I'm about to rage quit at this game....
you'll hit 1800 if you settle down and think about what you're doing wrong
sage raptor
And not reroll
bright stream
its literally free if you learn the spec
mild thunder
I don't think I'll get a 12 month sub since I'm about to rage quit at this game....
it'll be easier to get 1800 with the faster queue times from a 12 month sub
late nacelle
The "nerfs" amount to nothing and is a net buff to arms pretty much
sage raptor
Lmao
bright stream
he's probably got the right attitude to be a healer hardstuck at 1800 tho
could reroll to rshaman or something
flat dome
Overpower gonna be slapping
bright stream
lose 1 game, find a random dps to blame, throw a tantrum and altf4
mild thunder
100k overpowers inc
late nacelle
20% increased OP dmg is way more dmg than those "nerfs"
amber monolith
you'll hit 1800 if you settle down and think about what you're doing wrong
Been trying to asses my awareness of this game. Though still learning cos I only played 2 months of SL then started playing DF last Dec I think.
late nacelle
Just shieldswap
sage raptor
Do you record your gameplay and watch it?
late nacelle
Insta 2400
bright stream
Been trying to asses my awareness of this game. Though still learning cos I only...
silliness aside, how many games have you played on your arms warrior?
amber monolith
20% increased OP dmg is way more dmg than those "nerfs"
Yeah, I wanna see how it goes first before I reroll haha
flat dome
Yeah, I wanna see how it goes first before I reroll haha
Traitor
sage raptor
Rerollers never get 1800 because the don't commit
bright stream
@amber monolith post your UI, share your talents and stat prio, and see if you can be bothered to record a vid for the review channel
bright stream
oi @mild thunder are we getting the enchant on wednesday
bright stream
If u didnt play only warrior
I was too busy playing the bad version of warrior every season 😦
mild thunder
oi <@589020053748449300> are we getting the enchant on wednesday
doubt
it'll be on 10.0.7 i reckon
late nacelle
Wep ench?
amber monolith
<@328571663299903488> post your UI, share your talents and stat prio, and see if...
sec
mild thunder
yea
late nacelle
Did they show how it looks
bright stream
I posted it the other day, can find if u want
late nacelle
I'll find it
amber monolith
silliness aside, how many games have you played on your arms warrior?
Currently 240/461 
bright stream
Currently 240/461 <:deadge:900279927138578432>
ur winrate is >50%, just play 2000 more games
and you'll be 3k
ez, next player
amber monolith
and you'll be 3k
That's the plan
sage raptor
Negative winrate gang
bright stream
but yeah, ~500 games is not that high
I've got 1800ish now I think for the season?
and I'm playing fairly casually
I think it'll probably take another 1000 games before you're really starting to click with it, 1800 isn't bad in 500 games tho
need to get my arms to 2400 if I can be bothered tonight
late nacelle
Dont care about rating
Just play until season ends
All day every day
Rating is a byproduct
flat dome
Just wish I wasn't queing into assass/ele all day
late nacelle
Rot em to 70%
Pop CS
Warbringer + OP them to death
Rogues always freak out and overspend CDs to make it out
Then just kill em
mild thunder
I've got 1800ish now I think for the season?
1800 games is not casual
amber monolith
@bright stream here if this helps lol
mild thunder
i play way too much of this game, and ive got <700 rounds in shuffle, ~200 2s, ~350 3s
late nacelle
Get 75 mainstat gem
sage raptor
Oh o see the problem
low cobalt
this game is extremely casual-friendly
i agree everything up until solo shuffle queing is casual friendly. Im specifically talking about the long queue time for people who dont have too many hours to play a day. so far I've been playing for 1.5 hours and have had 3 solo shuffle pops. So basically for me I barely get any practice in per day vs. in SL i could play like 15+ matches a day and improve faster
sage raptor
Your mog is shit
late nacelle
Crafted boots
mild thunder
Your mog is shit
true
amber monolith
late nacelle
Good mog = 5% dmg increase
sage raptor
Exactly. Not a meme either
opaque quarry
Both SoB caps are sus.
bright stream
<@128065908781350912> here if this helps lol
ur stats are fine, I like speed>leach for arms, talents are okay but I pref the bleed build imo
pvp talent defaults; charge/bladestorm/sharpen instead (minor doesn't matter that much)
late nacelle
Also do tons of drugs before playing
bright stream
whats ur UI look like in arena? (do a skirm and take a screen cap mid game)
low cobalt
hahhaha
amber monolith
ur stats are fine, I like speed>leach for arms, talents are okay but I pref the ...
I usually ditch charge for Disarm if the compo is melee heavy.
bright stream
also, if uve got it installed delete Losa @amber monolith , its kinda shit tier now days - get big debuffs if you don't its straight up +300 mmr
opaque quarry
How is it bad now?
opaque quarry
Was gonna say lol. I like mine so far.
stark agate
Ive been switching a lot between spear and roar and my preference lies with spear at the end of the day
opaque quarry
A lot of ways to negate tether on spear so I like TRoar more.
late nacelle
300k hits with SKS
flat dome
sks is too gimicky
bright stream
A lot of ways to negate tether on spear so I like TRoar more.
like mildly changing direction
stark agate
Bleed build takes more setup, and roar damage isn’t bursts like spear
late nacelle
U change stats tho
opaque quarry
like mildly changing direction
Ye. It's too whack. I love it when it works but eh.
stark agate
Bursty*
late nacelle
U wanna be mastery heavy with SKS
mild thunder
no
stark agate
You mean crit
mild thunder
dont do that
amber monolith
Ive been switching a lot between spear and roar and my preference lies with spea...
Same! Though 1 thing about roar is that it never miss the target unlike spear XD haha
mild thunder
mastery does nothing special for sks
mild thunder
not enough to be worth stacking
stark agate
Crit does more damage
mild thunder
haste increases your general damage
stark agate
And haste does everything
mild thunder
and your burst damage
late nacelle
Nah
mild thunder
haste literally increases the tick rate + total dmg of your bleeds
late nacelle
If u doing rot build sure go haste
late nacelle
But tickrate does nothing for SKS
mild thunder
yes it does?
late nacelle
Deadstat
mild thunder
because it increases total bleed dmg
amber monolith
also, if uve got it installed delete Losa <@328571663299903488> , its kinda shit...
Aight i'll try to add this. Though my PVP UI looks plain compared to most cos there's no point putting up a lot of addon that I barely understand. Haha!
mild thunder
ive explained this to you before
opaque quarry
Your explaining hurts my head.
bright stream
Aight i'll try to add this. Though my PVP UI looks plain compared to most cos th...
with something like bigdebuffs, everytime there's an icon you don't understand, that's a piece of informtion you need to go learn
late nacelle
So the play is full haste and mastery, 0 crit, crit anyway and onetap someone
opaque quarry
What..
mild thunder
Your explaining hurts my head.
haste - increases tick rate/total ticks of your bleeds, hence it increases total bleed damage
crit - increases crit chance of bleeds
mastery - poo
opaque quarry
haste - increases tick rate/total ticks of your bleeds, hence it increases total...
Sorry not to you, it was meant to @late nacelle
late nacelle
Crit is useless tho, just crit anyway
opaque quarry
??
late nacelle
If u got 5% crit chance
mild thunder
he is and he isnt
opaque quarry
I understood getting the SKS build he kept spewing but now its too much lol.
stark agate
Just Crit bro Crit xd
sharp meteor
just be luckier bro
buy some shop mounts maybe bobby will bless you with some big dam crits
stark agate
Anyways I especially like spear against melee cleave, it doubles as good peel if you have a caster teammate
late nacelle
Its not like u dont have crit tho, we have like what 38%? With 0 investment in crit stat
During burst
flat dome
Just stack crit like a chad for them big MS and OP
late nacelle
The more u invest in crit the less big they will be
late nacelle
Tru
Vers so boring stat
They should remove it
Give everyone 15% dr in pvp
Call it a day
Now someone needs to figure out
Haste breakpoints for each extra tick to SKS
sage raptor
Bitch
mild thunder
Bitch
late nacelle
Bitch
mild thunder
so lame, am i right? imagine being smart bro, so stupid lol i just waste time on random discord servers instead of doing my homework bro im gonna be a homeless bum at 18
lean burrow
so lame, am i right? <:keks:936231610850897992> imagine being smart bro, so stup...
i'm homeless bum
late nacelle
Feels like most are 30+
stark eagle
illegal
mild thunder
yea i will admit
that set is pretty dope
one of the best plate sets in a long time
late nacelle
The chinguard
flat dome
warrior tier 1
mild thunder
i dont think thats a thing
lean burrow
😂 RC
flat dome
Helm of might
amber monolith
I want this
Is this still available? afaik it's from season 1 of SL. 1800 rating.
lucid walrus
nah it's unobtainable
lean burrow
I also want this
amber monolith
I rage quit that time since I am a solo player and no one to play with. It's hard to rank up. Haha! Good thing there's solo shuffle now, all you gotta do is wait for 30m queue times.
late nacelle
Legion s1 elite mog pretty good too
amber monolith
but I haven't played before shadowlands
same lol. that alliance set is top notch.
mild thunder
Legion s1 elite mog pretty good too
eh
lean burrow
haven't played Legion
