if theyre sick, you'll be fine
#pvp
mild thunder
yea, no healers ive come across are keeping you up in caster lobbies
you just have to play guerrilla style
or oneshot in the opener
which i couldnt do because i had to work through 2 swaps every time
bright stream
you just have to play guerrilla style
mild thunder
the new map is really well-designed, except for how aids engagement is for melee
casters just stand at the top of that fucking ledge and freecast on you
you cant charge them because you'll get brought to the bottom of the ledge
you cant run at them, because you'll be slowed and taken to 1/2 hp by the time you reach them
bright stream
casters just stand at the top of that fucking ledge and freecast on you
leap erry time
bright stream
and you cant waste leap
nah u just gotta send it, the cost for not doing so is too high
bright stream
it's tricky, you gotta stand right on the lip the whole time basically
mild thunder
no healer in shuffle below like 2800 is keeping you alive there
and you're not going to outrace a demo lock and sp with burst
bright stream
tbh on that map I usually just sit dstance entire game behind pillar
grand scaffold
<@668086812140371978> when are you becomming a streamer
im making a video today actually
streaming idk
bright stream
until I can come out and press big dam for 4 seconds, and then hide again
bright stream
im making a video today actually
is it good or is it Hazzed tier?
grand scaffold
whats hazzed
bright stream
a few expacs ago no DKs were really making much content before waffles/flark
so there was a guy named Hazzed who didn't understand that he was not very good at the game, and kinda dumb if I'm entirely honest
who made a lot of it
wheat jay
Wasnt it ages ago?
bright stream
I dunno if he still lives, but if he does you can @ him if u like and tell him I said he's poo poo
uhhhhh
nah he was still doing it at the start of SLands
I'm pretty sure
now I'm wondering if Reinhart got conscripted to go to the Ukraine
mild thunder
tbh on that map I usually just sit dstance entire game behind pillar
thats what i did
went 3/3
its just lame af
mild thunder
so there was a guy named Hazzed who didn't understand that he was not very good ...
i remember that guy from wod 
grand scaffold
is it good or is it Hazzed tier?
i mean
wheat jay
New map would be amazing if you could go up the ramp from both sides
grand scaffold
idk im just talking about how i play solo shuffle
the build i run
and what to do into a few certain com[s
mild thunder
New map would be amazing if you could go up the ramp from both sides
Artji W
bright stream
idk im just talking about how i play solo shuffle
SS = PvP now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta41xU-tkFA
bright stream
w\
mild thunder
and the casters in my lobby were being cunts about it too
they literaelly
wouldnt fucking move
for over a minute
theyd just stand their and spam cast into the open
steel trout
the worst
part of playing in disc caster lobby
is that they never have more than 20 iq so they dont understand
grand scaffold
SS = PvP now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta41xU-tkFA
what would you want to see in the video
steel trout
they have to PUSH with me
bright stream
what would you want to see in the video
honestly - I was a teacher as a profession
do basics, target calling, talents, positioning
mild thunder
why does Hazzed look like a young sirius black now
grand scaffold
do basics, target calling, talents, positioning
positioning is a little hard to explain
without recording gameplay
but i can try
mild thunder
grand scaffold
Wait you would do a vid without gameplay ?
im going to get gameplay ofc
i just have non recorded atm
đ¤Ł
muted surge
Just explain how to play full caster lobbies :>
mild thunder
Just do 4h guide like bicmex
with 5 minute tangents for every little thing he talks about 
we love bicmex
muted surge
And how to go in properly after pillar humping
warm portal
And how to go in properly after pillar humping
Fast and hard is the only way
muted surge
Thatâs what i struggle the most atm
I hug pillar so I donât die, but then my range dps just pisses himself in the open
If I go in, my heal goes afk and doesnât line any cc, so I die
wheat jay
we love bicmex
Wholesome streamer playing funni spec
Non-biased
Y'all remember clip about survi doing unhealable dmg unhealable healing
bright stream
positioning is a little hard to explain
as a 'WoW streamer' you need to record gameplay
muted surge
Does streaming count as recording
bright stream
but use war games, and if you can find copies of the maps/class icons that works as well
grand scaffold
as a 'WoW streamer' you need to record gameplay
i mean
bright stream
./content creator
bright stream
super basically just reads patch notes, sometimes shares his thoughts and has loads of people interested because hes decent and friendly
ven doesnt even share his thoughts that often
bars kinda low
bright stream
WHY CAN PEOIPLE NOT FUCKING SWAP IN SHUFFLE
dpends on the class, who were you playin with?
for example, unholy dk, kinda shit at swapping a lot of the time
mild thunder
but it was the two arms
mild thunder
he was hitting into evasion
grand scaffold
he is awesome
mild thunder
i had the dk <20%
bright stream
uhdk is not that bad at swapping at all
nah, uncoordinated/random swaps can be very bad for unholy
muted surge
Why swap when you can train :>
mild thunder
nah, uncoordinated/random swaps can be very bad for unholy
during burst, it ramps back up pretty quickly
since minions passive apply their fester anyway
bright stream
it takes like ~6-8 gcds at times to get back to where you were
some of the time it wont matter much though
mild thunder
how
bright stream
your opener is typically; big pet, blight, UA, Garg, Apoc
bright stream
Garg can't be retargeted onto another target, and Apoc puts 5 stacks of wound on a target
its the same reason cloning DK dps targets is basically exclusively trolling
go #2 at 45 seconds is good for casual swaps though
mild thunder
Garg can't be retargeted onto another target, and Apoc puts 5 stacks of wound on...
you lose garg, that's the biggest part, losing 5 stacks of necrotic isnt a big deal if the arms is swapping with sharpen (which i was)
you can re-amp wounds decently quick with abom aoe autos
either way, its signficantly better than mindlessly slapping into ps or eva
bright stream
you lose garg, that's the biggest part, losing 5 stacks of necrotic isnt a big d...
25% absorb during 50% MS is huge, and we talking like 20-40k hits from the garg, plus the rolling wounds that keep building
bright stream
either way, its signficantly better than mindlessly slapping into ps or eva
nah, garg will kill someone through 40-50% DR, only immunities matter
or if they can get to like ~60-70%
tis why you wanna pick a target without immunities
I regularly kill people through dome/PS at ~2200-2400 on unholy dk
mild thunder
i mean, i had the target at <20% hp
and he refused to swap
he wouldnt have had to amp anything
bright stream
well yeah context is everything
I'm just presenting a little bit about how I feel dk works
and I do think its a little bit oddball in that regard
mild thunder
i think you're overplaying a bit how hard it is for dk to swap, but yea its not ww or arms
bright stream
not many clsses get randomly fucked by swapping during their burst/clone removing your dots
bright stream
i think you're overplaying a bit how hard it is for dk to swap, but yea its not ...
nah not overplaying it, like I said, it's just bad during big goes
during little goes swapping doesnt matter as much
because you're mostly focused on disease dam
mild thunder
the worst part about shuffle is that it does incentivise mindlessly slamming into one target without any thought or strategy
bright stream
and the target you're on doesnt matter that much
bright stream
the worst part about shuffle is that it does incentivise mindlessly slamming int...
working through a specific targets defensives is a pretty good strat tbh
I mean thats basically the fundamental win con of melee
mild thunder
i completely disagree, with how fast and intense the game is now, swapping targets semi-frequently is definitely a better move (generally) than tunneling
in organised 3s
bright stream
i completely disagree, with how fast and intense the game is now, swapping targe...
oh yeah swapping from a target that's used defensives its good
but again its context
as arms? swap erry time
mild thunder
pretty much every melee excels at quick swaps
arms, ret, feral, enh, frost, dh, ww
assa rogue not great, uhdk not great
bright stream
think I might have made a small change (since I uploaded it, I made this WA)
but I find this pretty useful at times
grand scaffold
dk isnt hard to swap
bright stream
its kinda like 5s, old irrelevant gamemode
grand scaffold
btw
garg
use /petattack
in a macro
solves the problem
works with demo tyrant too
bright stream
use /petattack
wasnt working when I tested it a couple of days ago
grand scaffold
you sure?
bright stream
yep
pets are frequently fucky/broken though
it did work previously I thought, and was annoyed that it wasn't
I'll recheck it again after queue pops
bright stream
dk isnt hard to swap
like I mentioned earlier, hard no, bad sometimes yes
grand scaffold
i think with 2 physical dmg classes focusing dk is like a free win
bright stream
I would train DK through its defensives as double war/war+melee
even with improved DS/Lichborne its going to die quickly
disarm during cds as well
extremely powerful
as a DK the mega cringe is when you're deadzoning a war during their burst
and the priest grips u giving him a free charge
muted surge
Is it worth to hit a mage after he activated alter time?
bright stream
you sure?
literally spamming pet attack
it's noticibly on the wrong target
unless my macros cooked
warm portal
I've had my pets do that on my dk alt before and I couldn't tell you why. Feel like ive seen Petkick say he has a macro or script or some shit to fix it
bright stream
I've had my pets do that on my dk alt before and I couldn't tell you why. Feel l...
pets are always stupid/cooked in this game - they change the behavior/bugs mutliple times an xpac
nuked the macro to remove all the fancy stuff, giving it another shot
here's abomb not swapping with the basic macro
ahhh I see what theyve done, theyve made it smart target only
warm portal
Yeah abom just does whatever the fuck he wants
bright stream
so if you have done zero damage, you can choose a target, but once you have generated some 'threat' for it on a target, you functionally can't target swap with it
warped warren
elfin surge
hi friends
steel trout
hello mud
grand scaffold
lmao
warm portal
I'm gonna pass mud boy in the shuff here soon
grand scaffold
whats your cr?
warm portal
I'm not close lol 2700
severe lintel
New to pvp -- when should I start playing rated? I'm fine with playing unrated for a month or so before I jump into it if that's recommended.
steel trout
as soon as u can
modern grail
no reason to wait. play rated for conq and higher honor gains. practice how you play
your cr will be booty for a while but that's how you gauge your skill
warm portal
New to pvp -- when should I start playing rated? I'm fine with playing unrated f...
Get full honor gear and you could go immediately. You'll get practice and a good bit of conquest to start getting weapon/tier pieces
severe lintel
Okay, thanks. I do have full honor gear from unrated. I'll jump into it! Thanks, all.
warm portal
what cr do you need for r1 solo shuffle atm
The r1 title or like actual rank 1?
warm portal
Okay, thanks. I do have full honor gear from unrated. I'll jump into it! Thanks,...
You'll notice pretty large power spikes between current state and after you get conquest weapon + tier set bonuses but the practice between now and then will be very helpful
grand scaffold
The r1 title or like actual rank 1?
title
severe lintel
You'll notice pretty large power spikes between current state and after you get ...
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll definitely jump right into it.
warm portal
title
Its top 0.1% right but blizzard leaderboard only shows top 5000. If you can find a source that shows you total ladder participants for arms you could math it out
grand scaffold
Its top 0.1% right but blizzard leaderboard only shows top 5000. If you can find...
so whats top 0.1%
like as arms im #91
so idk if that is r1 title worthy
hopefully is
warm portal
Its not
warm portal
I couldn't tell you unless I found a site to display total participation for arms
warm portal
I cant use normal blizz ladder because it only shows top 5000. If we go by top 5000 you need rank 1-5 for a title lol
warm portal
đ¤ˇââď¸
vast rain
Is there a weakaura that autoaccepts shuffle q? I just got a 240 ping lobby cus of some dumbass frostmourne guy which made it unplayable since my lag tolerance is set to 200
wooden grove
Is there a weakaura that autoaccepts shuffle q? I just got a 240 ping lobby cus ...
What are you even trying to say?
WA wonât stop you from getting games with bad connections
vast rain
Iâm saying 1 guy zoning in shouldnât punish the other 5 by making everyone else have dogshit ping
Server is based on who joins first
Guy was bragging about his sad
Ssd
vast rain
anyways, anyone know if an addon/weakaura that does that exists? thanks in advance
worn yoke
Do I remember correctly that they are nerfing the arms tier set bonus in pvp? If so, is it still worth it to get tier?
proper sequoia
anyways, anyone know if an addon/weakaura that does that exists? thanks in advan...
That would be a bot then I guess
warm portal
Many moons ago you could just run AHK pressing a macro over and over that would accept ques
But thats probably a good way to get yourself banned
vast rain
ah
yeah just gonna alt tab to it faster i guess from my workpc
omg TIL that leatrix has safequeue inside of it
latent hazel
onyx talon
Someone know why i cant target/focus by left/right clicking on gladius? clicks is enabled
steep cairn
Itâs busted, been busted
onyx talon
Aight, guess ill just do some macro
steep cairn
Er at least I think so I couldnât get it to work either
modern grail
my bugged un-upgradeable vault item has been fixed. honestly shocked
warm portal
Aight, guess ill just do some macro
sArena works
onyx talon
Ty, will try it then
steel trout
Ty, will try it then
if not sarena then bicmex has a working version of gladius
wheat jay
https://twitter.com/Mudcxx/status/1622595242925907968?cxt=HHwWgICzzdnxzoQtAAAA
They will nerf solo shuffle
XD
spiral widget
This hotfix changes makes no sense. They say they want to keep the damage same and reduce spike damage and they buff slam. All the damage they divert to slam is worthless. They should instead buff the bleed damage.
wheat jay
They buff slam because its a non-spiky filler
wheat jay
Also, any dmg buff is good
green wyvern
ofc
spiral widget
because %90 of the time you can't use slam due to uptime
blazing elbow
yeap
spiral widget
unless you face a melee cleave
blazing elbow
like you rarely use slam
spiral widget
still does less damage then MS and OP
green wyvern
its gomna have like 50% of attack powet without talents
wheat jay
Or don't, noone is forcing you to use it, its an option
But if you have NOTHING to press then its better to press slam than to press nothing at all
Every bit of dmg is valuable in arena
Especially further into the game
spiral widget
You can't prioritize slam over MS and OP which makes it just a rage dump but you never actually get to use it due to uptime even you want it to
check how many times you press slam each match
wheat jay
Even one cast is worth it
Its free dmg when everything else is on cooldown
Its not main spender
Its a rage dump
A filler ability
Its like frost strike, you press it when you can't press obliterate
spiral widget
I'm not arguing whether you should press it or not, I'm just saying the damage that is diverted from MS to Slam is not going to work as it should and it will be just a damage nerf to MS overall
wheat jay
Which looking at the state of arms is a good thing
Because to be fair, arms is too strong rn
green wyvern
I'm not arguing whether you should press it or not, I'm just saying the damage t...
I dont think so
didnt they buff overpower too
anyway it doesnt matter
wheat jay
They did
warm portal
Yeah overpower was buffed
drifting jacinth
Stronger than dh?
spiral widget
If op buff alone can compensate the overall damage loss by MS yeah I agree and hopefully it will.
wheat jay
Stronger than dh?
Alone, no, in comps, yes
Arms provides more to the team
And is tankier
Better to have by spec
3s 2400+
Arms is 2nd best melee, and assa was getting some small nerfs iirc
steel trout
isn't this just how many ?
wheat jay
Yes
Numbers used to be different, very different
Demon hunters either fall or stay the same, warr just gets better with every patch xD
steel trout
pretty flawed way to point out how good a spec is tho
wheat jay
@fickle forge yo what was that website with games played by spec?
wheat jay
pretty flawed way to point out how good a spec is tho
Better than saying "dh wins 1v1 so its best class in the game" like some people here say lmao
steel trout
ya
fickle forge
<@278157108791476224> yo what was that website with games played by spec?
Xunamate
green wyvern
ye dh stonks down
wheat jay
Warrior games are higher than at any point in the expansion
wheat jay
I know y'all think you play underpowered class
With 0 ways to win
But that's copium
Warrior is strong
Last time it wasn't was bfa s4
Whole shadowlands it was S tier
Two seasons it arms, then fury
Its still good now, 2nd best melee for arena
With very easy rotation too
torpid bolt
What are the people toughs after pvp nerfs coming
torpid bolt
Yeah i like Warrior , i gonna build it now conquest gonna be uncapped
warm portal
Assa S
Arms high A
hot lichen
what are the recommending guides for armâs learning rotation n shit?
hollow ore
it aint no pve my guy
elfin surge
nerf mortal strike am i right guys đ¤Ą
steel trout
yes
polar marsh
what are the recommending guides for armâs learning rotation n shit?
Spam overpower..Line up your targets.. Macro button avatar, colossus smash, trinket, racial..yeet your spear..bladestorm..spam macro button cancelbladestorm, execute. VictoryđŞ
vast loom
hello there. can s/b explain to me why this simple macro does not work?
/use [modifier:lalt][@player] Spear of Bastion
/use 14```
not able to use spear on alt...
frank knoll
Arms SKS build probably gonna be the play, Iâm having so much fun with it
muted surge
hello there. can s/b explain to me why this simple macro does not work?
```/use ...
Thereâs no nomodifier:alt
Itâs just [nomodifier] I believe
vast loom
Thereâs no nomodifier:alt
wdym?
leaden lynx
the message above you answers it, there is no [nomod:lalt], you would just use it [nomod]
/use [nomod][@player] Spear of Bastion
or w/e your actual use case is you want
vast loom
the message above you answers it, there is no [nomod:lalt], you would just use i...
nope... same result
sharp meteor
i feel like 90% of mod macro issues are having the actual bind somewhere else
like if that macro is on e having alt e bound to some random bind
vast loom
oh... i just figured it out by myself. actually, it was bad syntax; this works perfectly fine:
/use [modifier:lalt,@player] Spear of Bastion
/use 14```idk what you're doing wrong but this worked (i didn't want to bother swapping to spear spec but this testing worked
/use [nomodifier] Bladestorm
/use [modifier:lalt][@clear halo] Thunderous Roar
vast loom
idk what you're doing wrong but this worked (i didn't want to bother swapping to...
totally different case for 2 reasons. answered above
leaden lynx
đ
vapid tartan
for arms tier set is the helm the worst piece?
zenith summit
can someone gimme a quick priority/rotation for arms?
just to make sure i got it right
not including cds
lucid walrus
mortal on cd, rend and slows up as much as possible, overpower to fill
drifting jacinth
nah
steep cairn
I thought just how much OP/EXE buffs your next MS through the passives is getting nerfed
drifting jacinth
mortal stroke
grand scaffold
idk
i heard supatease say mortal strike effect is being nerfed
maybe he miss spoke
vapid tartan
Is there an order I should get the tier set in? Have a forgestone and catalyst charge and Iâve got the infurious helm and boots not sure which two to make first
drifting jacinth
casters definitely dont need nerfs
drifting jacinth
buff caster slows
muted surge
ms spikes to much!
grand scaffold
give destro chrono shift
give earthshock a knockback effect
dont forget
lets make obliterate split players into 2 halfs each dealing a quarter of regular dmg
muted surge
you mean the abilitie that goes through immunities? :>
frank knoll
Warrior nerfed again? đ¤Śââď¸
severe lintel
Sorry for this dumb question, just switched over to arms and started pvping yesterday. What is the significance of rage? Just to make sure you have enough to cast mortal strike, ignore pain, etc.? Seems like rage matters less in arms than fury which makes me think I'm maybe missing something.
warm portal
Rage doesn't exist just press buttons
severe lintel
Haha, that's what I've been doing. Thanks
polar marsh
I press shiny buttons and people die
lean burrow
rogue passively decreasing haste and 27% healing reduction? balanced
warrior passive 25% healing reduction? nerf
slender lion
why is the 2nd fury build not recommended
hot lichen
Spear ms build best for arms ?
warm portal
Spear ms build best for arms ?
Yes
uneven turret
wouldn't fury > arms after reset?
placid marlin
God I fucking love crusader
sharp meteor
wouldn't fury > arms after reset?
how do u figure
uneven turret
how do u figure
nerf to arms?
sharp meteor
u srs rn
lavish heron
its not really a nerf as such
overpower does more damage
but you stack less on ms
and maaaaaaaaybe have a reason to use slam for whatever reason
warm portal
Killing totems
muted surge
fury > prot > arms
torpid prawn
are the nerfts to arms really that detrimental. i didn't think it was too bad
warm portal
The spec is done for, reroll now
grand scaffold
why is the 2nd fury build not recommended
no self sustain really
copper hare
ms spikes to much!
that's like half an arcane blast/arcane surge lul
lean burrow
are the nerfts to arms really that detrimental. i didn't think it was too bad
Z-tier now
stark agate
Arms dead unlucky
warm portal
Outplayed
hollow ore
I have a few more from my favorite class from yesterday alt SS
i'm glad ms spikes too much
unreal harness
bleed build or spear?
modern grail
yea
vocal frigate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933268722477563964/1062752827862171698/im...
Isn't DB a stun?
eternal cliff
Is there a guide of how to get into pvp for an absolute noob?
vocal frigate
Damn, nothing like 220K in a single global.
hollow ore
Isn't DB a stun? <:keks:936231610850897992>
ye it's the infamous fdk+devoker
grip, grip, frost wyrm or db into ded
vocal frigate
Frostfire breath duo
tranquil raven
I have a problem with a macro i guess: When enemy rogue is arena1 and in stealth and i spam my @real raft1 stormbolt macro to stun him immediately when he comes out for example, but have arena2 in range, it storm bolts arena 2. What am i doing wrong?
#showtooltip
/cancelaura bladestorm
/cast [@real raft1] Storm Bolt
this is the macro
same with fear, i run in direction to the healer to fear him, spam the arena macro on him with fear, but when someone else is in range, it fears the other player
is arena1/2/3 only working when everyone is visible/targetable?
red igloo
do you enchant ur pvp gear guys
lean burrow
I have a problem with a macro i guess: When enemy rogue is arena1 and in stealth...
are you sure you dragged macro on your spell bar?
dapper cypress
wrecking throw against disc?
lean burrow
no 
tranquil raven
are you sure you dragged macro on your spell bar?
ye
does adding "exist" to arena1 change anything?
lean burrow
screenshot your macro
tranquil raven
the thing is, when i have arena2 in target and he's far away, and i press arena1-stun macro, it works fine.
tranquil raven
lean burrow
what's your button for normal stun?
tranquil raven
3
lean burrow
and macro stun?
tranquil raven
ty will try
tranquil raven
tysm
lean burrow
Lf people for 3s, 2400xp 1950cr unholy. EU
dm me if you're interested
how about 2.4k SS dh, 1.2k every season before that?
mild thunder
Problem in the game? Bicmex already solved it
tranquil raven
how is this a thing and why do not more ppl have this problem
tranquil raven
i was getting crazy thinking my sausage fingers pressed wrong buttons or something
quiet furnace
how about 2.4k SS dh, 1.2k every season before that?
tranquil raven
so now i can rewrite all my macros
quiet furnace
soo
any warriors here who needs 3v3 partner? at 1900cr
please dont make me play w dhs
tranquil raven
watch the video
no also need the macro correctly as it seems in the video
slender lion
https://youtu.be/IFt8ifknH2Y
i do not have these lol. wondered why the likes of bahjeera had like 4 charge kleybinds
lean burrow
no also need the macro correctly as it seems in the video
i haven't watched the video
if I got stun on target and focus target in one macro then I'm fucked
no fix for me
copper hare
I will btw never understand why personal macros are still limited like that
fading estuary
Whats the go with solo shuffle at the moment for warriors, is it fury or arms?
tranquil raven
https://youtu.be/IFt8ifknH2Y
ty again man this video (and this guy) is insane
sharp meteor
it depends
fading estuary
I assume just based on what classes you are vs'ing?
warm portal
Spear
steel trout
im on the roar hype frfr
sharp meteor
in general i think that spear is better
but if you get little or no spear value then roar is quite nice
warlock for instance basically nullifies spear for themselves and their teammates
the okay ones anyways
wooden grove
dont think i've ever had a wasted roar tbh
spear has just bugged out and not gotten em even though it hit em
modern grail
spear will get you CC'd more often too. roar isn't as noticeable which is nice
but spear also gets panic Walls
sharp meteor
spear has just bugged out and not gotten em even though it hit em
don't spear somebody that's on knock dr
tranquil raven
im on the roar hype frfr
roar with bleed builds in the arms tree? or just swap spear for roar?
wooden grove
link it
severe lintel
Is there a guide of how to get into pvp for an absolute noob?
Noob myself here. Skill capped wow guides on YouTube seem pretty good.
steel trout
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWCJRCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJCkEQENIJJJhiEhEAEJAAAAAAAAkkSCCIQDB
mild thunder
ty again man this video (and this guy) is insane
Bicmex is pretty awesome
fading estuary
Is it worth using any tier over pvp gear if its high enough ilvl?
warm portal
Is it worth using any tier over pvp gear if its high enough ilvl?
What do you mean by high enough ilvl
tranquil raven
Bicmex is pretty awesome
his fix works like a charme
fading estuary
Well pvp gear is higher ilvl in pvp for 2 of my pieces
silver arrow
How do you guys handle being the only melee in an all caster solo shuffle? Been getting dumpstered
drifting jacinth
hide
jaunty pagoda
hide like a bitch lol legit
warm portal
How do you guys handle being the only melee in an all caster solo shuffle? Been ...
Pray to god you get a decent map
Camp dstance
Pmuch only play when you have mobility/bolt/intervene
mild thunder
How do you guys handle being the only melee in an all caster solo shuffle? Been ...
Cry
wooden grove
pray to god there's a garbage can mage you can blow up
jaunty pagoda
whats item prio as arms in pvp vers >?
wooden grove
crit all the crit all the time
mild thunder
Two options are play like a bitch and pillar hug outside of big damage, or go mongo in the opener and try and win early
wooden grove
might need a spear for that one
jaunty pagoda
only way I ever win is pillar humping and just pumping as hard as I can when I have CDs then back to hiding
usin bleeed build and running for it lol
jaunty pagoda
honestly besides the blood token and conquest gear I dontthink theres anything else
silver arrow
Conquest uncapped Feb 14.
tranquil raven
Conquest uncapped Feb 14.
what does that mean?
wooden grove
i feel like the honor gear is not good enough
get the conquest gear
red igloo
u can get unlimited conquest
red igloo
get the conquest gear
trying to save up its kinda slow unless im doing the wrong thing
tranquil raven
u can get unlimited conquest
what, you can get infinite conquest and get all the gear?
wooden grove
yeah
wooden grove
trying to save up its kinda slow unless im doing the wrong thing
gotta do the quests too
other than that do the trophy of strife quest and you can get the upgraded warmode gear and it's 421 i believe
tiny dagger
are yall stacking haste or crit for arms ? i was thinking crit for spear build and haste for roar/bleed build
wooden grove
if you think 13 ilvl difference is rough try shadowlands. starter honor gear compared to upgrade conquest gear was insane
red igloo
if you think 13 ilvl difference is rough try shadowlands. starter honor gear com...
yeah iom getting butt fucked
wooden grove
what rating?
silver arrow
Just got 5 wins with rating unchanged because it placed me in a game 130 lower mmr than my cr
wooden grove
well quit losing and your mmr won't tank
silver arrow
Oh my bad, i'll just stop losing. Didn't think of that
wooden grove
kind of how the system works
vapid turtle
Silly, should've started with that
red igloo
what rating?
I Jst started says 1400s
wooden grove
yeah just farm conquest if it's taking too long doing solo try rbg or something else
if you've got full honor and conq weapon and you still feel like a wet noodle it's not the gear
elfin surge
virus @lean burrow
lean burrow
why doesn't discord show gifs
lean burrow
https://tenor.com/view/doodle-bob-me-hoy-minoy-spongebob-patrick-gif-7390737
mud sweeping strikes on enemies
lean burrow
lucid walrus
POV: you think d-stance and IP will save you from ret/destro/etc
uneven turret
so will slam be back on action bar after reset
uneven turret
melee?
drifting jacinth
some mfs just rend that shit
drifting jacinth
I'll use slam if im in space jam
uneven turret
so its a net nerf then
drifting jacinth
Slam tier
uneven turret
Arms will be basically the same
our tier dont have synergy to OP though
wheat jay
our tier dont have synergy to OP though
And our spec is overtuned, so i'd say the nerf is deserved
Still minor
muted surge
our tier dont have synergy to OP though
But slam does?
vivid pumice
they're talking about smoothing out our burst damage in a burst heavy meta
wheat jay
We do both high burst and consistent dmg
muted surge
We do both high burst and consistent dmg
But have you played it?
quartz belfry
with the upcoming warrior nerfs how good/bad do you think warrior will be compared to current state i dont pvp so i dont know how good they are atm
mild thunder
with the upcoming warrior nerfs how good/bad do you think warrior will be compar...
if you dont pvp, why do you care? 
quartz belfry
I dont play warrior in pvp atm i play havoc and i was thinking of maybe playing warrior was just kinda curious where they would land after nerfs
wheat jay
Almost the same
mild thunder
ugh, maybe play one spec instead of rerolling to whatever is fotm
wheat jay
quartz belfry
I'm currently looking to move my main from VDH to Arms warrior for pve since i started late i just didnt have gear and stuff and i made the mistake of picking a calss i didnt wanna play
well i've played warrior as my main since TBC i didnt know it was even fotm tbh
wheat jay
Never pick shit you dont enjoy
mild thunder
^^^
sage raptor
So true bestie
wheat jay
You'll have more success and fun on non-fotm that you'll find fun
I literally play fucking survival
mild thunder
thats why artji plays sv even when its a meme
wheat jay
And was playing warrior in nathria
quartz belfry
I only started VDH because i enjoy VDH tanking but i do like a key get off because i get bored
wheat jay
thats why artji plays sv even when its a meme <:keks:936231610850897992>
Ye but its fun
mild thunder
i respect sv mains
sage raptor
Surv do be very fun
wheat jay
I tried many specs
quartz belfry
and im going on ym warrior for pve not pvp was just curious if it was good as a pvp spec i dont even know pvp meta etc this patch
mild thunder
sv is definitely the most unique spec in the game imo
unreal harness
is WW monk hard to play?
mild thunder
i will give bm this - it's a very smooth spec... boring, but smooth
wheat jay
is WW monk hard to play?
No, but hard to excel
mild thunder
is WW monk hard to play?
properly, its probably harder than a lot of melee
wheat jay
Cuz you need to live
quartz belfry
Is fury good in pvp? or was that a meme last expac
wheat jay
Btw, once conq is uncapped I'll prolly farm gear on warri
mild thunder
đŤĄ
mild thunder
i finally got my sv to max and honour geared
i just wanna be able to counter assa rogues 
sage raptor
How do you feel about the 5% damage buff to surv Artji?
mild thunder
are you playing the infusion build?
wheat jay
I play every single build
mild thunder
bicmex jr
wheat jay
And they all do sub-optimal damage
Like, its fine cuz you still have crazy toolkit
And you can do magic with it
But by itself the kill pressure is a tiny bit low
mild thunder
you're playing KFC, right?
mild thunder
rip
wheat jay
And we just ended up playing when rusty or tired
And KFC is among the worst comps in the game
Much weaker than in shadowlands
Sadly
vivid pumice
I'm thinking about swapping to a healing spec just for faster SS queues but i don't wanna restart the gearing process
sage raptor
Do surv hunters really not use any capstones?
wheat jay
?
As in, in survi tree?
You sometimes use aoe killshot
That's all
Even then its not super strong
Because it also targets trapped healer
Like, there's 2 talents that add a fuckton of dmg
But you dont use them because they break cc xD
3 talents*
mild thunder
at least the 1800 hunter set looks badass
wheat jay
Freezing bolas, explosive shit, aoe killshog
mild thunder
Freezing bolas, explosive shit, aoe killshog
i need to remember what trap DRs with, its any disorient effects, right?
mild thunder
its pretty cringe trying to get traps off w/o DRing in shuffle
mild thunder
wait, so does trap share dr with blind?
wheat jay
Iirc no
lean burrow
no
wheat jay
summer tiger
yeah that's why thug works so well
easy to force trink with traps on cd and then you can blind after, huge cc chain with stun->trap->blind->resap
sharp meteor
wait, so does trap share dr with blind?
trap is incap blind is disori
mild thunder
trap is incap blind is disori
coolcool ty
fossil mortar
Been qued for soloque for 30min now, it bugged or nah? 
fossil mortar
torpid roost
easy to force trink with traps on cd and then you can blind after, huge cc chain...
This is why I keep arguing for a universal DR on CC but people always shit the bed and start screaming at the suggestion
fossil mortar
Warriors screaming about that? I don't believe ya.
Rogue mains lurking in the shadows, for sure - but not warrior mains.
vivid pumice
not enough healers online willing to suffer the verbal abuse
mild thunder
This is why I keep arguing for a universal DR on CC but people always shit the b...
yea idk about that
it would absolutely destroy some comps and remove comp-compatibility
and getting/setting up kills at high rating for a lot classes would be impossible
fair tide
not enough healers online willing to suffer the verbal abuse
most healers egocentric fucks, just remove them for the game
bright stream
This is why I keep arguing for a universal DR on CC but people always shit the b...
like interrupts, separate DR categories is integral to WoW PvPs identity
fair tide
rather play 3v3 dps than have whiney crybaby healers playing
they think they're so entitled
torpid roost
like interrupts, separate DR categories is integral to WoW PvPs identity
But that doesn't have to go away
mild thunder
what healer hurt you @fair tide ?
mild thunder
my healer is a lovely gentleman
bright stream
But that doesn't have to go away
a universal DR would either invalidate separate DR categories, or would be irrelevant
torpid roost
Universal DR as in eventually you can just fucking play your class
Could be longer to activate than individual, could fall off more quickly
bright stream
what scenario are you thinking of? Outside of rogues, there's not really a scenario I can think of that involves 1 or more players being indefinitely locked down/out
that isn't just essentially the healers fault
fossil mortar
Guys! I got into a game!
mild thunder
pog
fossil mortar
Holy shit, I forgot I was qued.
bright stream
and I don't think it's controversial to say that rogue CC could use some minor changes
torpid roost
that isn't just essentially the healers fault
Maybe that's the issue, as I used to play with high glad healers and now play with 1200 randos
mild thunder
i think most people would agree that cc-creep has gotten out of hand this xpac
torpid roost
But not being able to play for 30 seconds while you're watching your teammates die
If infuriating
mild thunder
but universal DR is not a good solution for wow
bright stream
and they'll still piss and moan about how the games going poorly because of someone else
bright stream
'wHy iS uR dmG sO lWo??"
to be fair with the MMR changes I'm getting 1800 healers in my lobbies
which is hysterical
torpid roost
WHY AM I SITTING ROOTS HALF THE FUCKING GAME
bright stream
you basically just hide behind a pillar, and pop out like the fucking boogie man
mild thunder
rogue shouldnt have a disarm, assa/sub shouldnt have gouge
dh shouldnt have a ranged, aoe, instant fear, aoe stun, ranged stun, ranged banish and ranged, aoe slows all at the same time
horrify effects need to break on damage
bright stream
and blow someone up
mild thunder
i think those are some of the biggest offenders
warrior has the perfect amount of cc for a melee
bright stream
I don't mind rogue having disarm, blind/sap I think are the main offenders
they could straight up lose blind
and the class would still be excellent
torpid roost
I'm actually okay with the idea of all CC getting nerfed
Blind is iconic, leave it alone/nerf it, don't remove it
mild thunder
i definitely have a problem with a rogue being able to kidney > disarm > eva/run > kidney 8sec later
bright stream
Blind is iconic, leave it alone/nerf it, don't remove it
nah, there's plenty of iconic shit that's broken or useless - enhancement and resto shaman for example
torpid roost
Yeah and that's a problem
bright stream
like just because we've had a shit idea for 20 years, doesn't mean its not a shit idea
high sparrow
i definitely have a problem with a rogue being able to kidney > disarm > eva/run...
its completely ridic
especially because with how much damage rogues do now
bright stream
and there are loads of unique and iconic abilities that have been banished to the shadowrealm
high sparrow
they probably donte ven need to evasion/run inbetween the kidney and disarm
drifting jacinth
remove spammable slows
high sparrow
ure the one having to playing defensive
bright stream
you guys remember when dark sim was useable?
austere gate
Hey guys! Im a scrub and looking for a quick response to a probably crappy icy veins build. Should i hit up "Regular PvP talents" or "Bleed focused PvP talents" for BGs?
bright stream
remove spammable slows
they're important for the melee vs range positioning game
the slow system is very good in wow imo
mild thunder
the icy veins builds are good
bright stream
Hey guys! Im a scrub and looking for a quick response to a probably crappy icy v...
use murlok.io, find a top player for arms/fury
icy veins is toilet tier
mild thunder
they're important for the melee vs range positioning game
i think all ranged, instant slows could be bumped to at least a 3sec CD
and tune down melee mobility
we should NOT have 30sec leap with speed boost and double charge
fossil mortar
Icy Veins told me not to use sweeping strikes, I like Icy Veins.
bright stream
and tune down melee mobility
this gets mentioned a LOT but its really quite overblown
drifting jacinth
the slow system is very good in wow imo
yea being forced to RP walk and do nothing in a match is super fun
mild thunder
melee mobility is definitely out of hand
mystic barn
nerf dk mobility
mild thunder
rogue mobility probably a bit too much atm
mystic barn
double step is dumb
sage raptor
warrior needs a target so that really balances it out
bright stream
well alright, you've gotta have a think about to what level you want the game balanced right?
mild thunder
yup ^^
mystic barn
blizzard solution to making disc better was 2 pain sups
bright stream
most specs are melee, and generally speaking ranged classes outperform melee specs at higher levels of play across all content
high sparrow
nah, there's literally one class where its 'a problem'
how is warrior the class u think has problematic mobility lmao
ww and dh are literally impossible to shake off
rogues as well, tho its not necessarily because of their mobilty alone
mild thunder
most specs are melee, and generally speaking ranged classes outperform melee spe...
i dont think this is true... ranged classes dont outperform melee generally in pvp, the reason they're more popular in raid is because blizz is too retarded to make anti-ranged mechanics, and m+ im pretty sure is mostly balanced
fossil mortar
Feral just whistles in a corner, slowly fading into shadow.
bright stream
ww and dh are literally impossible to shake off
they've got other weakness, mobility being one of their strengths
mystic barn
its not exclusively warrior
high sparrow
Feral just whistles in a corner, slowly fading into shadow.
yea that too lmao
mild thunder
they've got other weakness, mobility being one of their strengths
sure, but a spec being squishy but highly mobile and able to oneshot is not good design
pvp is massively more fun when specs are generally good at most things, and with small specialisations
instead of being completely inept at certain things and ridiculously overblown at others
bright stream
i dont think this is true... ranged classes dont outperform melee *generally* in...
season after season the melee S-Tier specs are always Rogue + best melee spec, and there are 2-3 ranged specs in the same box
just from a ratio perspective given the popularity and number of available specs
we should see something like 3:2 melee:range at each tier
but its usually 2:2 or 2:3 melee:range
mild thunder
season after season the melee S-Tier specs are always Rogue + best melee spec, a...
so far this xpac, uhdk, rogue, arms, dh and feral have all been S tier
late nacelle
instead of being completely inept at certain things and ridiculously overblown a...
Agree, ranged warr build pls. Increase dmg of heroic throw stormbolt and wrecking/shattering with 100000%
bright stream
so far this xpac, uhdk, rogue, arms, dh and feral have all been S tier
as have arcane, multiple warlock specs, spriest, ele shaman
but right now - its Arcane, Destro, Ele, War, Rogue
austere gate
is it worth going blacksmith to craft the Helm of Vengeance? or nah
mystic barn
get a blacksmith to craft it for you
late nacelle
U dont have to be bs to get it
mild thunder
even right now, arms, uhdk and rogue are still all S tier... feral and dh still extremely stronmg
late nacelle
Its very strong
late nacelle
Crafting order
bright stream
even right now, arms, uhdk and rogue are still all S tier... feral and dh still ...
I don't think unh is S tier atm
it's definitely A tier
late nacelle
Their dmg is
austere gate
yea, didnt look into the new crafting stuff
sage raptor
yea, didnt look into the new crafting stuff
its intimidating at first
bright stream
Their dmg is
their damage profile defines their strength, outside of that and their pre-damp survivability, the class has very little to offer
fair tide
anyone try slam on the PTR? đ
mild thunder
even if its not, uhdk is still an incredibly strong A tier
with feral and dh
i definitely dont buy the narrative that melee is generally underpowered
late nacelle
Arms is not even S tier tbh, people a bit overhyped
If everyone started shieldswapping maybe S tier
mild thunder
Arms is not even S tier tbh, people a bit overhyped
mild thunder
arms is definitely S tier
bright stream
i definitely dont buy the narrative that melee is generally underpowered
it's not that melee are under powered, it's that ranged specs over perform at the higher tiers
slim knoll
even right now, arms, uhdk and rogue are still all S tier... feral and dh still ...
Then why is assa like the only melee performing well in awc?
mystic barn
cope if u think that ms setup is complicated
late nacelle
I play both arms and assa rogue at 2400+
mild thunder
Then why is assa like the only melee performing well in awc?
i do not give a fuck about AWC
late nacelle
I would say assa rogue is 10x better
mild thunder
it means jack shit in regards to balancing pvp
sage raptor
cope if u think that ms setup is complicated
im a bad player. every setup is complicated
high sparrow
galachad
bright stream
theres what, 3 mage specs, 3 warlock specs, 2 hunter specs, spriest, ele, evoker - and most of them are A/S tier
high sparrow
are u EU or NA?
austere gate
Walking peak set bonus looks popular too lol
fair tide
cope if u think that ms setup is complicated
didn't say it was complicated
but it did take setup for big numbers
mild thunder
are u EU or NA?
i play from the moon
fair tide
cant just dry ms and see 100+
mystic barn
whats the massively big brain setup for big mortals
late nacelle
Dont use it
mystic barn
you stack the damage increases and pop ur damage cds
late nacelle
Big MS is bait and bad to use
mystic barn
and press mortal
fair tide
spear, double execute, double op, shapen+ms
mild venture
Then why is assa like the only melee performing well in awc?
Isn't AWC a team match where you go in with your picked teammates and strategies? Not sure how hyper-intense optimized play is indicative of overall balance.
mystic barn
whats there that people dont understand
mild thunder
theres what, 3 mage specs, 3 warlock specs, 2 hunter specs, spriest, ele, evoker...
fire is D tier, frost isnt that great outside of glacial spike memes, destro is a bit overrated imo, devoker shit outside of oneshots
slim knoll
i do not give a fuck about AWC
It doesnât matter what is working incredibly well for the best players competing for cash prizes?
fair tide
thats 5gcds before you see a big number
mild thunder
It doesnât matter what is working incredibly well for the best players competing...
no
late nacelle
If u want big burst go SKS build, OP has been buffed too much to not use inside ur burst window so the "setup" is not worth doing over having ur OPs hit for 100k inside burst window
mild thunder
It doesnât matter what is working incredibly well for the best players competing...
the applicable translation of what is good in tournament-style format and whats good on the ladder is minimal
remember how shit ret/warr was at AWC? that shit fucking farmed the ladder
high sparrow
fire is D tier, frost isnt that great outside of glacial spike memes, destro is ...
fire is absolutely not D tier xd
mild venture
It doesnât matter what is working incredibly well for the best players competing...
When you go to the gym does it matter to you what Usain Bolt does to get ready before a race?
bright stream
fire is D tier, frost isnt that great outside of glacial spike memes, destro is ...
destro is high A, and could move to S tier tomorrow. Evoker is A tier, Frost is low A/B tier - but feels closer to A tier to me. Fire is C tier. Boomy seems C tier to me.
mystic barn
are people trying to compare pro play to ladder again
hazy isle
When you go to the gym does it matter to you what Usain Bolt does to get ready b...
jesus what a retarded analogy
sage raptor
are people trying to compare pro play to ladder again
yes
mild thunder
awc will always be ruled by hyper-setup comps that require very, very high levels of execution
thats not the same as the ladder
mild thunder
are people trying to compare pro play to ladder again
yes
late nacelle
Tier lists are garbage anyway
austere gate
Again with the noob question and thank you btw for answering these since i started, i am grateful! lol... so tier set pieces... are they raid only? Or can you get mythic level tier set pieces from pvp also?
high sparrow
jesus what a retarded analogy
it really doesnt even make sense xd
late nacelle
Oversimplifies too much when there is much nuance
mild thunder
destro is high A, and could move to S tier tomorrow. Evoker is A tier, Frost is ...
evoker is 100% not A tier
its good in one comp
drifting jacinth
I've outran Usain Bolt before
bright stream
its good in one comp
are you talking the 3v3 ladder or SS?
sage raptor
Tier lists are garbage anyway
if they were absolute, everyone would be at an agreement.
mild thunder
are you talking the 3v3 ladder or SS?
3s
high sparrow
Tier lists are garbage anyway
facts
mild thunder
idgaf about shuffle for these convos
mystic barn
remember when cdew was saying dk was dead from the recent nerfs
still feels 100% good to me
sick tierlist man
late nacelle
Solo shuff is the new main ladder
mild thunder
literally no ones playing 3s
im playing 3s
bright stream
actually talking about 3s and 'spec' tiers is nonsense
mild venture
Shuffle is the real place to find out if something is balanced, or if someone is good, or just good friends.
hazy isle
dead = not SS tier anymore
late nacelle
3s is for grognards clasping for relevancy
sage raptor
im at 0cr on fury and I've been in queue for an hour D:
bright stream
im playing 3s <:okayge:917646812519739433>
comps have tiers in 3s, specs don't really
mild thunder
you can definitely still rank specs by tier in 3s
bright stream
half the fucking good comps are some shit dps spec that enables godmode in anther spec
mild thunder
thats also not true at all, most of the good comps are S tier specs (ele, assa, sp etc) slapped together
drifting jacinth
bro shuffle is just scuffed 3's
fair tide
assa is aids
mild thunder
shuffle is 3s from wish
fair tide
makes me want to go iron dwarf
bright stream
bro shuffle is just scuffed 3's
this will change significantly as the players get their shit together
mild thunder
doubt
sage raptor
biiig doubt
drifting jacinth
this will change significantly as the players get their shit together
mild thunder
shuffle doesnt reward/incentivise the same level of coordination or strategy as 3s does
fair tide
shuffle is just rolling the dice
mild thunder
it doesnt reward good target-selection in the same way, because your team will be better coordinated tunneling one target etc
high sparrow
shuffle is 3s from wish
this man is speaking facts here
fair tide
you either get a good lobby, or a shit one
austere gate
will they ever make it so that PvP players dont have to do raid content to compete for top of ladders -.-
bright stream
shuffle doesnt reward/incentivise the same level of coordination or strategy as ...
it absolutely can - it's just significantly less accessible
drifting jacinth
shuffle doesnt give a cool mount either
sage raptor
I think shuffle was a bad idea. Which I can say because I didnt ask for it :)
mild thunder
I think shuffle was a bad idea. Which I can say because I didnt ask for it :)
big agreed